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Title: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 20, 2008, 06:18:00 PM
I graduated top third and with honors from Tulane Law School in December and I am still unemployed. I moved to Dallas in January, but the firm I worked for during the summer laid me off (with other attorneys). I already passed the Texas bar in February but I still can't find a legal job. Currently I am working at Starbucks and at a bar to pay rent and my $2000/month student loans. I want to work at a law firm or some other legal part-time job but there is nothing available - not even contract jobs. I am going to have to start selling my personal possessions on Ebay because I am falling behind on my credit card payments and about to deplete all of my savings. Plus I have to go to a coffee shop with free WiFi to post this stuff on Ebay because I can no longer afford internet or cable. I just submitted my application to a small law firm in a town outside of Dallas that pays $40K/year with no benefits and has a 2100 billable hours/year requirement (which means I will be working for less than $15/hour when you factor in actual hours worked).

I am just posting this as a rant because I thought that graduating with honors from a tier one school would open doors, not close them. I went from working at a firm paying six figures to working at Starbucks. To law school applicants, consider the worst case scenario (i.e. unemployed) before choosing a law school (especially if you have to take out loans). Even if a law school has an average starting salary of $100K/year, the only jobs outside the big law firms pay less than $50K/year. What really sucks is that my 10 year high school reunion is coming up and I will be either unemployed or getting paid less than the high school dropouts who are plumbers. Even if I get the $40K/year job, I might have to sell my car and start using the bus (which sucks in Dallas) because I can't afford the gas and insurance.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 20, 2008, 06:27:45 PM
You kind of suck at life.

Consolidate your loans and you shouldn't be paying much more than 1k/month.

Flame.

feminine hygiene product.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 20, 2008, 06:36:30 PM
I cannot consolidate my loans because I did them through Sallie Mae. You are not allowed to consolidate your loans if you get your loans from Sallie Mae or Freddie Mac (trust me I already tried). Plus, if you have over 80% of your loans with one lender, you cannot consolidate with another lender no matter who your original loan provider is.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: jack24 on May 20, 2008, 07:18:26 PM
Thanks for your post.  I won't say you suck or call you any names, but there are a lot better jobs than working at star bucks. 
Someone who does well at any law school should at least be a good waiter..  A fantastic waiter can make 20 bucks an hour.

Here are some jobs in Dallas that you should be able to get (or work your way up to in 2 years) with a law degree.
All annual salaries listed are the [u]25 percentile[/u] from yahoo! hot jobs

Level 1 Construction loan officer  $60,274

Level 1 Investment Analyst  $62,107

Convention/Event Director   $72,004 

Plumber 1    $32,906.


Yeah, hopefully you'll make more than a plumber.    Dallas has a great job market.  Maybe you should go see a career counselor at the community college or something.

I think it's good that you are warning people about this, but did you have to say you work at Starbucks?  Honestly?  I had a better job than that when I was a freshman in college. 


Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 20, 2008, 07:24:02 PM
It is hard to get those kind of jobs with a law degree because they know that you are only doing it for a short time. Jobs like starbucks are easier to get because they don't care if you aren't going to stay with them long term.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on May 20, 2008, 07:28:10 PM
Looks like the issue is your TTT firm, not law school.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 20, 2008, 07:34:07 PM
Not saying it is the law school's fault. But I am saying that people who are going to schools that are ranked lower than tier one should consider the possibility of being unemployed for a while and having to settle on a job they don't want.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 20, 2008, 07:45:28 PM
It is hard to get those kind of jobs with a law degree because they know that you are only doing it for a short time. Jobs like starbucks are easier to get because they don't care if you aren't going to stay with them long term.

Yes, b/c nobody with a law degree ever goes into another field.

I won't be as kind as Jack though; you're a fucktard.  And it would be more difficult to get a job @ SB with a law degree over the other jobs Jack listed for the exact reason that you said enabled you to get it.

Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: botbot on May 20, 2008, 07:52:14 PM
Looks like the issue is your TTT firm, not law school.

Seriously...

OP PM me if you aren't flame and I can probably help point you in the right direction.

I assume you have MMed every Dallas BIG/MID firm?
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 20, 2008, 07:52:58 PM
This is a flame Botbot.  You're doing pretty well @ Tulane's medium b/c you don't suck @ life/troll/flame like our esteemed OP.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: botbot on May 20, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
This is a flame Botbot.  You're doing pretty well @ Tulane's medium b/c you don't suck @ life/troll/flame like our esteemed OP.

I assumed as much.

The "PM me for help" is my best troll detecting tool.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 20, 2008, 08:00:50 PM
Makes sense.  But not considering your connections do you have a sense about career options out of your/op's school assuming one doesn't suck at life and has social/interviewing skills that rate higher than an amoebas?
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: The Artist on May 20, 2008, 08:06:32 PM
I wouldn't consider this flame except for he referred to Tulane as a TTT.

That's just straight ig'nant, dawg.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 20, 2008, 08:07:53 PM
Well, we already know about your sense of judgment...


HTFH.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 20, 2008, 08:08:04 PM
Y'all can assume flame all you want. I only mentioned Tulane by name to give perspective to people who are applying to schools ranked lower than Tulane. I would also recommend that people go to schools who want to practice in the same region/city. I'm sure that if I went to a school like SMU or Houston I would be in a better position with someone similarly ranked.

But if Botbot has suggestions, I am all ears. I have even emailed Tulane grads asking for advice (as recommended by OCD) but I haven't received any responses.     
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 20, 2008, 08:08:27 PM
I'm kidding; I couldn't help myself.

But this is a complete flame...
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 20, 2008, 08:10:22 PM
Sorry, I wasn't referring Tulane as a TTT. I only put that in the title for people considering tier 3/4 school. My intention was to point out that even people going to tier 1 schools are struggling to find jobs.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 20, 2008, 08:19:34 PM
OK, I fixed the subject line....again my intention was not to refer to my school as a TTT or even blame my school. Mainly it is my rant on the economy and some bad assumptions on my part before going to law school.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 20, 2008, 08:21:39 PM
I'm almost convinced you're not a complete flame.

So I apologize to you and the rest of the board, including Fruit Loops.

But...Fruity Pebbles>>>>>>>Fruit Loops.

PM Botbot if you aren't a troll...

And don't sell your ass on ebay...
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: EarlCat on May 20, 2008, 09:05:33 PM
Like I said before, it looks like you suck at life.

Consider selling your ass on ebay.  A pretty guy like you should make a pretty penny doing that.  And you've got a pretty mouth.

feminine hygiene product.

Dude, what's with the hatin'??
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: EarlCat on May 20, 2008, 09:05:57 PM
So I apologize to you and the rest of the board, including Fruit Loops.

nm.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: EarlCat on May 20, 2008, 09:11:23 PM
I graduated top third and with honors from Tulane Law School in December and I am still unemployed. I moved to Dallas in January, but the firm I worked for during the summer laid me off (with other attorneys). I already passed the Texas bar in February but I still can't find a legal job. Currently I am working at Starbucks and at a bar to pay rent and my $2000/month student loans.

Layman speaking, but couldn't you just get a really conservative haircut and put on your best suit and go hang out at the courthouse looking for private practice clients?  Surely if you can score only a few hours a week, that'll pay more than Starbucks.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 20, 2008, 09:42:35 PM
OK, thanks. I was confused with the insults, this is the first time I came across this website so I didn't know if that stuff was expected. I just needed somewhere to rant because I am sick of people complimenting me for my "achievements" when I have no job to show for it.

As far as waiting outside a courthouse, I wouldn't even know how to approach random people for jobs. I think that might even breach some ABA PR rules regarding solicitation but I am not familiar with the Texas rules (I guess I can look that stuff up while I have the time). Also, I am not interested in litigation at all. While I know that beggars can't be choosers, I'm hoping my degree from Tulane provides more opportunities beyond litigation and insurance defense. But as the weeks turn into months, I am becoming more dramatic, stressed out, and short with people. The good news is that I am so stressed that I can skip meals because I am not getting hungry. If anything, law school has been a great diet for me ;)   
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: kasa530 on May 21, 2008, 08:18:42 AM
I don't want this to sound obnoxious, because I really don't mean it that way... but there must be something in the water with Tulane grads recently.
My huge Texas firm let 2 Tulane grads go recently and it wasn't because of financial difficulties. (Rumor is: they were let go because of incompetence.)  We have zero summer associates from Tulane this year, but several from South Texas which is a TTTT.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: just some guy on May 21, 2008, 08:21:42 AM
OK, thanks. I was confused with the insults, this is the first time I came across this website so I didn't know if that stuff was expected. I just needed somewhere to rant because I am sick of people complimenting me for my "achievements" when I have no job to show for it.

As far as waiting outside a courthouse, I wouldn't even know how to approach random people for jobs. I think that might even breach some ABA PR rules regarding solicitation but I am not familiar with the Texas rules (I guess I can look that stuff up while I have the time). Also, I am not interested in litigation at all. While I know that beggars can't be choosers, I'm hoping my degree from Tulane provides more opportunities beyond litigation and insurance defense. But as the weeks turn into months, I am becoming more dramatic, stressed out, and short with people. The good news is that I am so stressed that I can skip meals because I am not getting hungry. If anything, law school has been a great diet for me ;)   

Go to the free CLE courses at the Belo. Hell, Join the DBA and hang out at the Belo every day. Other than that, get a job as a landman.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: botbot on May 21, 2008, 09:02:07 AM
Makes sense.  But not considering your connections do you have a sense about career options out of your/op's school assuming one doesn't suck at life and has social/interviewing skills that rate higher than an amoebas?

I had multiple summer job offers from firms that I had no connection to other than sending them my resume.  My credentials are pretty average and Tulane was my only selling point...

I can't even explain how easy my life would be if my grades were top third...
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to a TTT school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 21, 2008, 09:36:26 AM
Makes sense.  But not considering your connections do you have a sense about career options out of your/op's school assuming one doesn't suck at life and has social/interviewing skills that rate higher than an amoebas?

I had multiple summer job offers from firms that I had no connection to other than sending them my resume.  My credentials are pretty average and Tulane was my only selling point...

I can't even explain how easy my life would be if my grades were top third...

So OP is lying/trolling, a bad interviewer, or should have gone to school in Texas if he wanted a job there?  Weird...
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: botbot on May 21, 2008, 09:58:09 AM
Things wrong with the OP...


Did OP go to law school?  Does OP live in Dallas?
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 21, 2008, 10:46:57 AM
Things wrong with the OP...

  • Winter graduation means OP had to either withdraw a semester or fail multiple classes... (Tulane only offers full time and does not charge by the credit hour)
  • OP already knows the billable hours and pay of a firm he hasn't interviewed for
  • OP found a firm that takes "applications"
  • OP doesn't understand Dallas mass transit
  • Even Dallas PI/ID firms don't require 2000+ billables
  • OP had BIGTEX and now works at Starbucks
  • OP makes no mention of severance or post termination assistance (BIGTEX firms offer fantastic assistance to the people they lay off to preserve their name)

Did OP go to law school?  Does OP live in Dallas?

So troll is the answer.  And I apologized for all of those terrible things I said to him.  I guess I'm still sorry for being crass but I hope this was a fun little game for OP.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: jack24 on May 21, 2008, 10:53:11 AM
SCK2008:  are you doing okay?  How are you feeling about your decision to go to law school.  It seems like you're pretty tired of hearing criticism of T3 schools.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 21, 2008, 11:09:46 AM
I'm going to a T2T and I'm doing fine; I appreciate your concern.  I'm really excited about school but I am  a little tired of the trolls.  I suppose I'm taking them a little too seriously though.  How are you?



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Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: Thistle on May 21, 2008, 11:20:40 AM
dude, the OP reeks like wii

what i get tired of is where regional t3's are lumped in with large market t3's as far as possibilities go.  the regional/local area job market is entirely different.

Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: botbot on May 21, 2008, 01:01:06 PM
Things wrong with the OP...

  • Winter graduation means OP had to either withdraw a semester or fail multiple classes... (Tulane only offers full time and does not charge by the credit hour)
  • OP already knows the billable hours and pay of a firm he hasn't interviewed for
  • OP found a firm that takes "applications"
  • OP doesn't understand Dallas mass transit
  • Even Dallas PI/ID firms don't require 2000+ billables
  • OP had BIGTEX and now works at Starbucks
  • OP makes no mention of severance or post termination assistance (BIGTEX firms offer fantastic assistance to the people they lay off to preserve their name)

Did OP go to law school?  Does OP live in Dallas?

So troll is the answer.  And I apologized for all of those terrible things I said to him.  I guess I'm still sorry for being crass but I hope this was a fun little game for OP.

It looks like it, although it could be a real person who exaggerated and fudged some information.  I gave the OP my email address and if (s)he emails me their resume, I will gladly get it in front of a few hiring partners.  If I don't hear back from the OP, I will assume they are just a troll.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: botbot on May 21, 2008, 01:05:08 PM
dude, the OP reeks like wii

what i get tired of is where regional t3's are lumped in with large market t3's as far as possibilities go.  the regional/local area job market is entirely different.

I'm assuming you were speaking generally as Tulane is #44 on that little list we hold so dear to our hearts.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: Thistle on May 21, 2008, 01:59:15 PM
dude, the OP reeks like wii

what i get tired of is where regional t3's are lumped in with large market t3's as far as possibilities go.  the regional/local area job market is entirely different.

I'm assuming you were speaking generally as Tulane is #44 on that little list we hold so dear to our hearts.



i was speaking generally, especially of my own little t3, one of two in the state, yet provides 90% of the associates to the regional "biglaw" equivalents.....mostly, they dont hire out-of-state here
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 21, 2008, 03:46:29 PM
I don't feel I need to defend my genuineness, but there is truth to my original rant and my intention (beyond bitching my frustrations) is for people to truly do their homework before applying to law school. But to address Botbot....

 
Correct, I dropped out for a semester due to a family tragedy.


As I said before, I used Tulane's reciprocity agreement with SMU Law and applied to the firm from their job posting. Botbot ask OCD about the BYU job posting website, Tulane has reciprocity with most law schools if you don't believe me. The firm listed their minimum billable requirement at 170/month (so really about 2040/year).

Again, it came from SMU.

Yes I do as I am from here. There is the DART, but most of the non-biglaw firms are not near a DART station. I can take the bus, but as I remembered it in high school, the buses were always behind schedule.

I am not familiar with the PI/ID firms here, but I know of a couple of firms requiring 2000+ billables beyond the firm I applied to including Bicker & Brewer and Barron & Budd


Unfortunately this is correct, however I was not a biglaw firm but at a specialty boutique firm. I only applied to Starbucks in addition to my bartender job because I thought it would only be temporary (plus I could work part-time while I was studying for the bar). No job materialized since the bar, so I am sticking with Starbucks until something comes up.

Again, not bigtex but I did have a severance (hence using my savings to pay off my loans). However, since I never started working as an associate at the firm, my severance package was only for one month's salary.


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Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 21, 2008, 03:49:16 PM

It looks like it, although it could be a real person who exaggerated and fudged some information.  I gave the OP my email address and if (s)he emails me their resume, I will gladly get it in front of a few hiring partners.  If I don't hear back from the OP, I will assume they are just a troll.

I received your email, so thanks for the offer. I will consider emailing my resume to you, but honestly I am afraid you will attach a copy of this thread to your contacts and I don't want to shoot myself in the foot due to a random rant I made on the internet.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: botbot on May 21, 2008, 04:22:36 PM
I don't recall SMUs system having that information, but I will examine it later.  You are failing yourself by not putting more into this job search.  You shouldn't be hopeful that one firm will get back to you - you should have 100s of resumes circulating Dallas.  Even if you exist, I worry that you are not giving us the whole truth here. 

Reread your OP and I think you would understand our skepticism.  I could not have written a better post if I tried..

Just a note: Bickel & Brewer do have a super high billable hours - but they pay over market (before bonus).  Not overly familiar with your other BB.

 
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: jacy85 on May 21, 2008, 06:00:42 PM

It looks like it, although it could be a real person who exaggerated and fudged some information.  I gave the OP my email address and if (s)he emails me their resume, I will gladly get it in front of a few hiring partners.  If I don't hear back from the OP, I will assume they are just a troll.

I received your email, so thanks for the offer. I will consider emailing my resume to you, but honestly I am afraid you will attach a copy of this thread to your contacts and I don't want to shoot myself in the foot due to a random rant I made on the internet.

If you want this to be anonymous, you shoudl remove your pic (assuming it's you) as your avatar.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: EarlCat on May 21, 2008, 11:00:14 PM
Unfortunately this is correct, however I was not a biglaw firm but at a specialty boutique firm. I only applied to Starbucks in addition to my bartender job because I thought it would only be temporary (plus I could work part-time while I was studying for the bar). No job materialized since the bar, so I am sticking with Starbucks until something comes up.

This is why you don't have a job.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: t... on May 21, 2008, 11:22:24 PM
Unfortunately this is correct, however I was not a biglaw firm but at a specialty boutique firm. I only applied to Starbucks in addition to my bartender job because I thought it would only be temporary (plus I could work part-time while I was studying for the bar). No job materialized since the bar, so I am sticking with Starbucks until something comes up.

This is why you don't have a job.

Not necessarily.

Also, this same sort of thing has happened to three people I know that recently graduated (and passed the bar). There's a lot of luck and timing involved in finding a legal job.

OP should look into unpaid clerkships or internships, perhaps.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: Astro on May 22, 2008, 02:56:43 AM

But...Fruity Pebbles>>>>>>>Fruit Loops.



Okay, now I know you're pure flame. 
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: The Artist on May 22, 2008, 03:04:31 AM

But...Fruity Pebbles>>>>>>>Fruit Loops.



Okay, now I know you're pure flame. 


He just hates me because I listen to rap.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: Astro on May 22, 2008, 03:19:50 AM
No, I didn't mean YOU.

I'm talking about the cereal.  As in, REAL Fruit Loops.

Everyone knows Fruit Loops >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad ass Fruity Pebbles.


::grabs bowl of cereal::
::chews contentedly::
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: The Artist on May 22, 2008, 03:50:24 AM
No, I didn't mean YOU.

I'm talking about the cereal.  As in, REAL Fruit Loops.

Everyone knows Fruit Loops >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad ass Fruity Pebbles.


::grabs bowl of cereal::
::chews contentedly::


Well, clearly you know where I stand...
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: just some guy on May 22, 2008, 06:31:50 AM
I don't recall SMUs system having that information, but I will examine it later.  You are failing yourself by not putting more into this job search.  You shouldn't be hopeful that one firm will get back to you - you should have 100s of resumes circulating Dallas.  Even if you exist, I worry that you are not giving us the whole truth here. 

Reread your OP and I think you would understand our skepticism.  I could not have written a better post if I tried..

Just a note: Bickel & Brewer do have a super high billable hours - but they pay over market (before bonus).  Not overly familiar with your other BB.

Baron & Budd is dust docket - Plaintiff's side (for you noobs they represent alleged victims of toxic torts). In my limited exposure to that field a lot of ID shops have 2k billable requirements, if for no other reason than the hourly rates in that field are much lower than others.
 
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: non parata est on May 22, 2008, 09:18:34 AM
The one thing I think is curious is that the OP instantly understood what we meant by "flame."

But "flame" on this board means something entirely different than what it means anywhere else I've lurked/posted.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 22, 2008, 11:16:28 AM
Unfortunately this is correct, however I was not a biglaw firm but at a specialty boutique firm. I only applied to Starbucks in addition to my bartender job because I thought it would only be temporary (plus I could work part-time while I was studying for the bar). No job materialized since the bar, so I am sticking with Starbucks until something comes up.

This is why you don't have a job.

Not necessarily.

Also, this same sort of thing has happened to three people I know that recently graduated (and passed the bar). There's a lot of luck and timing involved in finding a legal job.

OP should look into unpaid clerkships or internships, perhaps.

I am actually starting to look for unpaid legal jobs so I can build up some legal experience in the meantime. I just know it is going to look bad if I go in an interview and when asked what I have been doing since graduation, and all I can say is that I have been a bartender and Barista, rather than actually using my bar license and being a Barrister. Luckily my parents are going to take out a mortgage on their home and pay off my loans at a better interest rate. The monthly payment will be closer to $1000/month, so it is a lot more manageable. It just sucks knowing that I still have to get money from my parents at age 26.     
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: jack24 on May 22, 2008, 11:21:42 AM
This just keeps getting better.... now you're making your parents mortgage their home. hahaha!  What's next?  Are you going to start donating plasma?
It's kind of loud here at work, but I think I can hear a tiny violin in the background playing your sad sad song.

Let's skip all of this garbage and get to the advice.  What are you saying?
Don't go to law school?   Don't go to law school in Texas?  Only go to law school if you have a scholarship? 
Do you think that people on here don't know the risks? 

I'm sorry that you're life hasn't turned out the way you wanted, but you're honestly not helping anyone.  Why don't you tell us what you would have done differently?
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 22, 2008, 11:33:43 AM

But...Fruity Pebbles>>>>>>>Fruit Loops.



Okay, now I know you're pure flame. 


He just hates me because I listen to rap.

I don't hate you.  I don't hate anyone.  I think you're great.  I think you're great and a little misguided. 



HTH.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: Pop Up Video on May 22, 2008, 11:48:37 AM
All, the cereal is called "Froot Loops" not "Fruit Loops."

(http://www.wineloverspage.com/graphics1/frootloops.jpg)

Follow your nose.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 22, 2008, 12:11:59 PM
All, the cereal is called "Froot Loops" not "Fruit Loops."

(http://www.wineloverspage.com/graphics1/frootloops.jpg)

Follow your nose.

It certainly is.  Thanks for the head's up. 
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 22, 2008, 01:37:50 PM
This just keeps getting better.... now you're making your parents mortgage their home. hahaha!  What's next?  Are you going to start donating plasma?
It's kind of loud here at work, but I think I can hear a tiny violin in the background playing your sad sad song.

Let's skip all of this garbage and get to the advice.  What are you saying?
Don't go to law school?   Don't go to law school in Texas?  Only go to law school if you have a scholarship? 
Do you think that people on here don't know the risks? 

I'm sorry that you're life hasn't turned out the way you wanted, but you're honestly not helping anyone.  Why don't you tell us what you would have done differently?


As I said before, my original posting was a rant. I also wanted to point out that even grads from higher ranking schools are struggling to find jobs in this economy. Hopefully the economy will be better in 3 years. I'm not telling people who are going to lower ranked schools not to go or that shouldn't take out loans - just to make sure that they make an informed decision. I had the misguided assumption that going to law school would provide me a golden ticket to a 6-figure job as long as a graduated with decent grades from a decent school. I went to Tulane because I didn't know if I wanted to practice in Texas or a different state and I figured that Tulane would open more doors to other states in addition to Texas. But honestly, Tulane is not the problem, it is the economy and lack of job opportunities. It was poor judgment on my part when I didn't research the fact that most law grads do not make more than $100K/year (even when going to tier 1 schools). 
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: jack24 on May 22, 2008, 01:46:21 PM
So if you could go back in time, would you still go to lawschool?
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: Astro on May 22, 2008, 03:22:44 PM
All, the cereal is called "Froot Loops" not "Fruit Loops."

(http://www.wineloverspage.com/graphics1/frootloops.jpg)

Follow your nose.


This is totally true.  I screwed it up by accident -- too tired.  My sincerest apologies.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: SCK2008 on May 22, 2008, 03:23:44 PM
All, the cereal is called "Froot Loops" not "Fruit Loops."

(http://www.wineloverspage.com/graphics1/frootloops.jpg)

Follow your nose.


This is totally true.  I screwed it up by accident -- too tired.  My sincerest apologies.


Fruit Loops, the poster, on the other hand has no excuse...


HTFH.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: The Artist on May 23, 2008, 02:51:36 AM
All, the cereal is called "Froot Loops" not "Fruit Loops."

(http://www.wineloverspage.com/graphics1/frootloops.jpg)

Follow your nose.


This is totally true.  I screwed it up by accident -- too tired.  My sincerest apologies.


Fruit Loops, the poster, on the other hand has no excuse...


HTFH.

I'm thoroughly embarrassed.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: utpost on May 23, 2008, 07:45:38 AM
OP's story is the culmination of everything I fear, although I think having a solid UG degree + experience ?may? provide a backup prior to LS - at least I hope.  Some nights I wake up from nightmares that I will be making less as an average-salaried attorney than I do now as a low-level engineer.  At that point I wake my gf up and make her sing me back to sleep while I enjoy being the little spoon.
Title: Re: Something else to consider before going to law school
Post by: legalese_retard on May 23, 2008, 10:35:06 AM
So if you could go back in time, would you still go to lawschool?

Probably. I know in the long run it will pay off. My family situation threw a curve ball that was unexpected and I wasn't financially prepared. I might have gone to a lesser ranked school with a scholarship or tried to retake the LSAT to get a better score.