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Title: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: juliemccoy on May 12, 2008, 10:13:26 PM
Is June 08 too early to start sending out resumes for June 09 2L summer jobs?
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on May 13, 2008, 03:06:59 AM
Depends on the job. Some firms won't look at them until later, while it helps to have your foot in the door early at others. In any case, it can't hurt. I've seen people do this and score a gig pre-OCI.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: blahblahLAW on May 28, 2008, 08:23:04 PM
I recently asked my career services counselor the same thing --- she advised no earlier than late July.  Her rationale was pretty sound: firms don't start thinking about the coming year's class until they're wrapping up loose ends with their current class, which usually doesn't happen until late July.

Hope that helps, and hope you're not as worried about the job market as I am! ;)
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: worldlyjd on June 26, 2008, 10:50:23 PM
I think late July might be kind of late?
My school said send them out early July and try to be available to interview in market in early August before school starts.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: flyaway on June 27, 2008, 12:13:50 AM
I think late July might be kind of late?
My school said send them out early July and try to be available to interview in market in early August before school starts.


But before we find out whether we've made journals or not?  I would hate to jump the gun and lessen my chances if a particular firm really wants journal experience and assumes I'm not going to have it, since it's not on my resume.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: Resident CLS Troll on June 27, 2008, 03:59:16 AM
I think late July might be kind of late?
My school said send them out early July and try to be available to interview in market in early August before school starts.


But before we find out whether we've made journals or not?  I would hate to jump the gun and lessen my chances if a particular firm really wants journal experience and assumes I'm not going to have it, since it's not on my resume.

I don't see why you couldn't simply send an updated resume if you made a journal.  If anything it's more time they spend looking at your name.

I haven't really heard of too many firms caring about journals.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: flyaway on June 27, 2008, 04:02:42 AM
I think late July might be kind of late?
My school said send them out early July and try to be available to interview in market in early August before school starts.


But before we find out whether we've made journals or not?  I would hate to jump the gun and lessen my chances if a particular firm really wants journal experience and assumes I'm not going to have it, since it's not on my resume.

Good point.  Maybe I'll go ahead and get started writing cover letters.

I don't see why you couldn't simply send an updated resume if you made a journal.  If anything it's more time they spend looking at your name.

I haven't really heard of too many firms caring about journals.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: jacy85 on June 27, 2008, 05:27:03 AM
I think late July might be kind of late?
My school said send them out early July and try to be available to interview in market in early August before school starts.


But before we find out whether we've made journals or not?  I would hate to jump the gun and lessen my chances if a particular firm really wants journal experience and assumes I'm not going to have it, since it's not on my resume.

I don't see why you couldn't simply send an updated resume if you made a journal.  If anything it's more time they spend looking at your name.

I haven't really heard of too many firms caring about journals.

Terrible...just terrible.  I don't think the OP's said what school he or she attends.  If it's not Columbia or a T-14, journal becomes more important.  If its a school that's not within the Top 20, and/or the poster isn't ranked in the top 10%, journal/LR takes on even more importance.

But I also think that you maybe be able to update the resume, and have that work out fine.

One suggestion to get a handle on when you should start sending things out is to just call some of the firms you're interested in.  Talk to the recruiting coordinator, ask them when it would be appropriate to send your resume for consideration for the 2009 Summer program
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: Resident CLS Troll on June 27, 2008, 05:35:28 AM
Jacy: A fair point about journals being more or less significant according to school.  I assume that hiring out of Michigan is pretty similar to hiring out of CLS, but I probably should have noted that it was not generally applicable information.  My apologies for the omission.

In any case, my main point is that you can send an updated resume.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: Resident CLS Troll on June 27, 2008, 05:38:22 AM
Oh and I mention Michigan because I was addressing flyaway, and I am under the impression that she attends Michigan.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: pikey on June 27, 2008, 06:01:47 AM
Can you send resumes to a firm that coming to your school for OCI if you didn't bid on them on don't think you're gonna get an interview?  Also, can you send stuff by email or does it have to be snail mail?

<--regrets leaving all my resume paper in AA
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: flyaway on June 27, 2008, 06:14:55 AM
Pikey... I've heard a lot of people say that email is fine, and that's what I plan to do, particularly since I'm out of the country.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: Imactuallya2Lnow on June 27, 2008, 06:37:18 AM
On the journal point, how much distinction do firms make between Law Review and another journal (for schools in top 20 or top 30)?  Especially if you have good grades?  Just curious.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: pikey on June 27, 2008, 06:48:02 AM
Pikey... I've heard a lot of people say that email is fine, and that's what I plan to do, particularly since I'm out of the country.

Good!  That saves me a lot of time and hassle.  I'm gonna be visting one of the markets that I'm interested in before OCI, so I'm wondering if I should contact firms there that are coming on campus.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: jacy85 on June 27, 2008, 07:07:18 AM
I would contact firms in the area, saying simply that you will be in the city, would be sending a resume and cover letter, and would be available to interview or something like that.  But definitely be clear that the firm is coming to your school.  I have a feeling that if firms are coming to interview at your school, they may just want to  consolidate and review your stuff with everyone else's.  BUT the fact that you're already going to be in the city BEFORE OCI may be an ok exception for them.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: deedeeleigh on June 27, 2008, 07:13:04 AM
I would contact firms in the area, saying simply that you will be in the city, would be sending a resume and cover letter, and would be available to interview or something like that.  But definitely be clear that the firm is coming to your school.  I have a feeling that if firms are coming to interview at your school, they may just want to  consolidate and review your stuff with everyone else's.  BUT the fact that you're already going to be in the city BEFORE OCI may be an ok exception for them.

Is this only true if you aren't planning to bid on them during OCI? What if you are planning to bid on the firm, not sure of your chances, but will be in their city before OCI. Will it be overeager to let them know you'll be there and available to meet with them, before they've either accepted/rejected your OCI bid?
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: jacy85 on June 27, 2008, 07:21:54 AM
If it were me, I'd just say all that (you're planning to bid, but will be in the area for a couple of days; you're very interested in the firm, and would be available to meet then, etc).

My guess (and completely a guess), is that it's better to just try and ask - they may have a policy for everyone to funnel people into OCI whenever possible.  If I were recruiting, though, I'd at least ask for a resume from someone in this position - if it was someone I'd be interested, I'd actually rather interview them early, and then open up another slot to see yet another candidate from the school during OCI.  It just makes sense to me to try to interview as many qualified candidates as possible.  But that's just my thinking, and I'm clearly not in position of a firm recruiter.

So I say just ask politely; the worst that happens is they say no, but perhaps make note of your name as being very interested in the firm.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: deedeeleigh on June 27, 2008, 07:44:35 AM
thanks jacy, I think I'll do that. Would you just drop a note, and not send a resume along with it? I'd think they wouldn't know if they do want to meet someone unless they see their grades (realistically) and for that they'd need a resume as well.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: jacy85 on June 27, 2008, 08:09:03 AM
I think sending your resume along too would be good.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: skeeball on June 27, 2008, 08:19:29 PM
What about a firm that comes to your city to OCI at a higher ranked school, but does not actually conduct OCI at your own school? How does that work? Do you say in the cover letter "I know that you will be in town on XYZ date interviewing students at ABC school, perhaps we could set up an interview since you will be in my city anyway?" Or is that just too ballsy?
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: jacy85 on June 28, 2008, 06:10:40 AM
Too ballsy, and probably a waste of time.  By the end of a day that starts early and ends late, full of back to back 20 minute interviews with only a couple of breaks, most of these attorneys/interviewers are exhausted and just ready to get some dinner and go back to their hotel rooms.

I think it's much better to say you'll be in THEIR town, and are interested and available to meet.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: jsb221 on July 01, 2008, 04:49:07 AM
If you are concerned about a firm passing you by because you don't know if you made law review yet or not, put on your resume that you competed in the write-on competition. By the time you get an interview, you hopefully will have the results to discuss. The downside, if you don;t make it, you have to explain why.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: flyaway on July 01, 2008, 05:16:54 AM
The problem with sending and then updating a resume is that you may not meet their qualifications without a journal and could get a rejection before you have time to update...  If someone's reviewed your resume without a journal, you may get shuffled into a bad pile before you even really have a chance. 

Well, I'm feeling lucky not to have this problem now, because I got official notice from my first choice journal yesterday.
Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: TH14 on July 12, 2008, 07:22:04 AM
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Title: Re: How Early Can I Start Sending Out Resumes for 2L Summer?
Post by: AssaultAndBattery on July 31, 2008, 11:03:41 PM
While some firms say either traditional mail or email is acceptable for applications, What do you guys think is better overall?

I still feel that traditional mail is more professional than an email.  ???

However, the nice thing about email is its instant and you dont have to worry about your application being lost in the mail.