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Deciding Where to Go => Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses => Topic started by: sd4shizy on April 29, 2008, 04:52:20 PM

Title: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: sd4shizy on April 29, 2008, 04:52:20 PM
What is the verdict?

Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: nhutchin on April 29, 2008, 10:51:09 PM
Pepperdine!!!
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: nealric on April 29, 2008, 11:41:55 PM
Probably depends on your how you feel about Pepperdine's religious conservatism. If you don't mind it, then it's probably a good deal. If you think it could bother you, Loyola may be a better bet.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: rocky7 on May 06, 2008, 01:29:55 AM
Loyola

Just look at where firms interview

NALP Loyola = 199     Pepperdine = 66
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: sno on May 06, 2008, 09:21:24 AM
well, assuming you're considering employment and rank (with all else equal), then it basically breaks down like this:

pepperdine = the 0L choice because us news (read: magazine editors) says they're better
loyola = the 1L-3L and attorney choice because they have a generally better rep in the legal community
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: sd4shizy on May 07, 2008, 12:48:06 AM
rocky7, Please give up to date information. The employment stats you presented are no longer accurate. It is considerably different now.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: rocky7 on May 14, 2008, 01:28:58 AM
try it for yourself

http://nalpdirectory.com/dledir_search_advanced.asp
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: kenpostudent on March 24, 2009, 07:39:14 PM
Loyola is closer to most major employers and nearly every major courthouse. The rankings for both schools are too close to matter. Therefore, I would go with Loyola because of its proximity to employers and clerkship opportunities coupled with its slightly lower cost.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: dreameca on April 02, 2009, 04:04:52 PM
come to pepperdine with me =]
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: maryb on April 07, 2009, 09:45:51 PM
Stats posted are not accurate -- not sure where NALP gets the info, but last fall, there were close to 200 firms (including all the big law firms, and not just in LA, but also NY) and then another 100 public interest, government etc. organizations.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: dreameca on April 08, 2009, 01:51:51 PM
sorry did the above stat refers to pepperdine or loyola?

I am seriously having trouble deciding. i love pepperdine and their "students first" approach to teaching. but i have heard so much about loyola being a better sch with better rep and better job prospects.

Please help me out guys
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: salamyen on April 08, 2009, 05:10:47 PM
Loyola is sinking more and more into a bigger *&^% hole while Pepperdine is getting better and better. While not now, in the long run a degree from Pepperdine will be worth more. Anyways, the chance of getting big law from either is pretty low, so go with the one you like better (Loyola is a prison, go with the beach!).
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: dreameca on April 08, 2009, 05:29:49 PM
thats the feeling i got too. Pepperdine is getting so much better in just a few years. while loyola has just been going down. i will smack myself in the head if i chose to go to loyola and by the time i graduate pepperdine has climbed to the T50.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: Scentless Apprentice on April 08, 2009, 06:23:01 PM
Hi, just wondering what the basis is for the contention that Loyola is "slipping"?


Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: dreameca on April 08, 2009, 07:37:27 PM
loyola is not slipping ranking wise. but it has remained static for the past few years, while pepperdine, its rival in the nearby los angeles area has been rising rapidly. ranking from 99th in 2005 to 59th in 2009. so pepperdine is a lot more competitive with loyola now than ever before. firms get to chose from pepperdine and loyola (putting aside USC and UCLA), rather than just from loyola as it did a decade ago. this puts loyola in "slipping" situation relatively speaking in its competitiveness in the los angeles area.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: k0em9u on April 08, 2009, 08:53:32 PM
Pepperdine over Loyola easily.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: Scentless Apprentice on April 08, 2009, 10:26:59 PM
loyola is not slipping ranking wise. but it has remained static for the past few years, while pepperdine, its rival in the nearby los angeles area has been rising rapidly. ranking from 99th in 2005 to 59th in 2009. so pepperdine is a lot more competitive with loyola now than ever before. firms get to chose from pepperdine and loyola (putting aside USC and UCLA), rather than just from loyola as it did a decade ago. this puts loyola in "slipping" situation relatively speaking in its competitiveness in the los angeles area.

So..a huge jump in ranking in 3 years (I beleive 59th is from 2008). Doesnt that seem kind of unstable? Sure, it's a good sign, but couldnt it just as easily fall say..10 spots?

As far as being competitive in L.A., Loyola has been around approx. 30 years (EDIT: 50 years. Loyola: 1920, Pepperdine: 1971) longer than Pepperdine (meaning wayyyy more grads)..to me, that says more than a quick jump in rankings when it comes to community recognition and presence. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that you didnt fully convince me. Not that you have to, of course.

Pepperdine over Loyola easily.

Thanks for everything.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: dreameca on April 09, 2009, 01:02:59 AM
loyola is not slipping ranking wise. but it has remained static for the past few years, while pepperdine, its rival in the nearby los angeles area has been rising rapidly. ranking from 99th in 2005 to 59th in 2009. so pepperdine is a lot more competitive with loyola now than ever before. firms get to chose from pepperdine and loyola (putting aside USC and UCLA), rather than just from loyola as it did a decade ago. this puts loyola in "slipping" situation relatively speaking in its competitiveness in the los angeles area.

So..a huge jump in ranking in 3 years (I beleive 59th is from 2008). Doesnt that seem kind of unstable? Sure, it's a good sign, but couldnt it just as easily fall say..10 spots?

As far as being competitive in L.A., Loyola has been around approx. 30 years (EDIT: 50 years. Loyola: 1920, Pepperdine: 1971) longer than Pepperdine (meaning wayyyy more grads)..to me, that says more than a quick jump in rankings when it comes to community recognition and presence. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that you didnt fully convince me. Not that you have to, of course.

Pepperdine over Loyola easily.

Thanks for everything.

Thanks~ i think ur argument is definitely persuasive. it would mean that loyola is a much more stable school in terms of ranking and alumni network.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: Scentless Apprentice on April 09, 2009, 11:21:42 AM


So..a huge jump in ranking in 3 years (I beleive 59th is from 2008). Doesnt that seem kind of unstable? Sure, it's a good sign, but couldnt it just as easily fall say..10 spots?

As far as being competitive in L.A., Loyola has been around approx. 30 years (EDIT: 50 years. Loyola: 1920, Pepperdine: 1971) longer than Pepperdine (meaning wayyyy more grads)..to me, that says more than a quick jump in rankings when it comes to community recognition and presence. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that you didnt fully convince me. Not that you have to, of course.

Pepperdine over Loyola easily.

Thanks for everything.

Thanks~ i think ur argument is definitely persuasive. it would mean that loyola is a much more stable school in terms of ranking and alumni network.

Are you leaning towards Pepperdine?
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: k0em9u on April 09, 2009, 02:54:39 PM
Some people have claimed Pepperdine has the most beautiful campus of all the law schools in the country. Having been there only once, I would certainly not rule out this being true. Maybe not a factor for most people, it would at least make some difference to me.

Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: Scentless Apprentice on April 09, 2009, 03:15:34 PM
Some people have claimed Pepperdine has the most beautiful campus of all the law schools in the country. Having been there only once, I would certainly not rule out this being true. Maybe not a factor for most people, it would at least make some difference to me.



Yeah, Pepperdine definitely has a nicer view. I've always lived around the beach, though. I sunburn easily. So, that's not a factor for me. 

 
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: dreameca on April 09, 2009, 03:36:33 PM
Yea I am leaning towards pepperdine at the moment mainly because i felt like they really cared abt their students. at the open hosue they were talking abt how everyone chose a prof as their mentors, where the prof looks after them, chat with them over family dinners... go to yatch parties =] sounds like a great environment for law school eh? they also have a team in the career development office who already has a JD, worked in the field, has great connections who would talk with us and find out what we want to do, then go out and find interns and jobs for us in the relating field. i dont know how other schools do it, but pepperdine sounds kind of personal and caring in their approach. they also have a kinda "GSI" for each class who had succeeded in the class previously, taught by the same professor who will help us in studying for the final.

Havent gone to Loyola's open house yet. but any thots on this?

I love the view and the area... but it wont be a factor in my decision. despite the fact that loyola..... does seem kinda ghetto
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: k0em9u on April 09, 2009, 03:46:47 PM
Hey another point for Pepperdine is that this Loyola 2L idiot has been going around to every single law-related internet forum and blog and dragged its reputation down the drainer too.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: Scentless Apprentice on April 09, 2009, 04:08:35 PM
Yea I am leaning towards pepperdine at the moment mainly because i felt like they really cared abt their students. at the open hosue they were talking abt how everyone chose a prof as their mentors, where the prof looks after them, chat with them over family dinners... go to yatch parties =] sounds like a great environment for law school eh? they also have a team in the career development office who already has a JD, worked in the field, has great connections who would talk with us and find out what we want to do, then go out and find interns and jobs for us in the relating field. i dont know how other schools do it, but pepperdine sounds kind of personal and caring in their approach. they also have a kinda "GSI" for each class who had succeeded in the class previously, taught by the same professor who will help us in studying for the final.

Havent gone to Loyola's open house yet. but any thots on this?

I love the view and the area... but it wont be a factor in my decision. despite the fact that loyola..... does seem kinda ghetto

Those are great reasons, thanks.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: dreameca on April 10, 2009, 05:50:24 PM
just got an email fom pepperdine's CDO with a list of law firms which participated in on campus interviews last year. its about 300+ law firms from last year. If anyone wants the list, send me a message and i'll forward you the email.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: k0em9u on April 10, 2009, 11:24:25 PM
275 of them were established in 2008 and is owned by faculty members? ;p
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: dreameca on April 14, 2009, 06:11:40 PM
275 of them were established in 2008 and is owned by faculty members? ;p

That, I would not know. but I do know that when I asked for the same information from loyola... they said they cant disclose it, even to admitted students, they just said the majority of the law firms in LA interviews them. I dont see why they cant give out the names.... other schools do. its on NALP, but its just out of date. does this raise a red flag?
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: Scentless Apprentice on April 14, 2009, 06:43:24 PM
275 of them were established in 2008 and is owned by faculty members? ;p

That, I would not know. but I do know that when I asked for the same information from loyola... they said they cant disclose it, even to admitted students, they just said the majority of the law firms in LA interviews them. I dont see why they cant give out the names.... other schools do. its on NALP, but its just out of date. does this raise a red flag?

Well, I'd be interested to know if most other schools do.

I'm having a hard time deciphering the main pros/cons between Loyola and Pepperdine.

I have met many, many people from Loyola. I can say that they ALL had good things to say about the school. I've met older grads from the late 60's/early 70's, as well as within the last 5 years or so. Not only did they all have good things to say about their experience there, but they are also employed - a few of them being prosecutors.

I only know two Pepperdine grads. One is from the 3rd graduating class, the other graduated in 2008. He went to work for his dad's firm, and was not very descriptive about the program, though he did say he enjoyed it. It does make me uncomfortable that Pepperdine has jumped so far/quickly in ratings.

I guess I'll just try to sit in on a class/tour at both schools & try to get a feel.

dreameca - thanks for all the info.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: k0em9u on April 14, 2009, 08:43:19 PM
Loyola has a reputation for being less-than-open about employment prospects. It is at very least a yellow triangle.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: dodgerfan04 on April 15, 2009, 12:31:06 AM
When it comes down to regional schools, rankings don't matter.  It does not matter who is ranked higher between Loyola and Pepperdine. 

As far as private large firm prospects, you are going to need to be in the top 10% of your class at either school to have a good shot. 

Since Loyola is larger and has been around longer, there are more Loyola grads in large Los Angeles firms.  Just go on some firm websites and filter by school.

On the other hand, Pepperdine has a higher bar passage rate, which is something to consider if you are concerned about passing the bar. 

Either way, if you go to these schools, you have to finish at the top of your class to get that paper.

Good luck
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: kenpostudent on April 15, 2009, 11:36:42 AM
I would tend to agree. Consider this: Pepperdine is farther from the major firms in LA, too. If you are going to attend Pepperdine, it's going to cost more to live in or around Malibu, unless you live on campus. I don't know what their room and board costs at Pepperdine, but I'm sure it is not cheap. In either case, the major firms in CA probably recruit more heavily out of USC, UCLA, Berkeley & Stanford. Grads from Hastings and Davis would have their pick of jobs before Loyola and Pepperdine grads, with the exception of the top say 10-15% of the class. At least Loyola students are close to major LA firms and courts. Both are decent schools, though. I'm not sure that one school is drastically better than the other. I think Loyola is slightly more cost effective, though.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: dreameca on April 27, 2009, 05:10:19 PM
any comments with regard to the new rankings? pepperdine and loyola are further apart.... and loyola dropped out of their trial advocacy place in the top 10s. :-[ i know rankings only matters to pre- law students.... lawyers, judges and employers dont look at them. but i mean... the surveys were done by lawyers and judges... so it does say something about the way people view ur school.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: Manwithaplan on April 27, 2009, 07:11:25 PM
there should be no question: Loyola. Loyola's rank is not indicative of its reputation in the legal community. also, outside of the national brand name schools, rankings will not help you get a job, it is your own personal grades.
Title: Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
Post by: wyatth on April 29, 2009, 01:21:41 PM
good to know.
i was worried about loyola dropping to 71 this year.