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Title: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: RockinJay on April 22, 2008, 02:15:09 PM
I posted this question in another forum but not sure it was the right location.

Anyways, after living overseas for a while I am absolutely in love with Asia. I spoke with several Managing Partners at some of the biggest international law firms in Bangkok and they all informed me to attend a US law school.  Bangkok is booming (quiet, no jokes!) as many banks and corporations are setting up shop there with a steady 6-8% annual growth rate.

I would like to end up working in Bangkok (or even Hong Kong perhaps) for one of the major BigLaw firms out there.  Any thoughts from the LSD crowd?
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: themanwithnoname on April 22, 2008, 07:29:39 PM
cant speak to Bangkok but there are lots of US firms and British firms with substantial Hong Kong offices. Are you ok doing transactional work?
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: Contract2008 on April 22, 2008, 08:18:24 PM
I posted this question in another forum but not sure it was the right location.

 Bangkok is booming (quiet, no jokes!) as many banks and corporations are setting up shop there with a steady 6-8% annual growth rate.


Are you a sex tourist or thinking of becoming one permenantly? 
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: RockinJay on April 22, 2008, 08:44:24 PM
I was expecting comments like yours so it doesn't annoy me at all and I won't even waste my time addressing it. 

For the other poster, yes, I have over 6 years of experience in fixed-income securities transactions ranging from tender option bonds to interest-rate Swaps.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: themanwithnoname on April 22, 2008, 08:49:01 PM
Are you committed to that kind of work? It occurs to me that one thing to do is find out who works at biglaw offices in bangkok (and my god does biglaw in bangkok sound hilarious) and, when looking for firms, make sure you specialize in something that is done in Bankok, b/c it occurs to me that the derivatives stuff you do might only be done in the major financial centers (NY London, Tokyo, Hong Kong). I don't know this for a fact, just speculating, but again, thats why I would check out what the partners in Bangkok offices specialize in.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: RockinJay on April 22, 2008, 08:55:46 PM
Yes, very committed.  I have spoken with several Managing Partners at some of the biggest law firms over there and they are all doing what I am here, but their clients are more HSBC, Standard Chartered, etc.  However, a major result of the growing Thai economy is that their banks are becoming major players within the entire Asian investment community.  I have seen Goldman, SocGen, Morgan and many other banks begin to tap into Thailand and other SE Asian markets.  And sadly, because of the major growth out there and the crappy situation here, Asian gains are basically subsidizing the enormous losses here in the US.  But that's another discussion :-) 

It's definitely an exciting region to be in.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: themanwithnoname on April 22, 2008, 08:58:25 PM
wow, very well informed. What do you need from us idiots on the internets exactly?
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: RockinJay on April 22, 2008, 09:07:44 PM
I have definitely done my research but was hoping to find someone who is familiar with landing a summer gig or junior associate spot out there.  It is my understanding that most of the firms out there only accept law students between their 2nd and 3rd years, and then after graduation, I would have to sweat it out here at a US firm for a few years before making it out there with the same firm.  Was hoping to find someone who has already done it or knows someone else who has "reached the promise land."  HAHA! 

Every Western attorney I met out there (in both Bangkok and Hong Kong), whether at a law firm or in-house (those are some serious sweet jobs!), love it because they are not only making great $$$ but their personal lives are rich with happiness and balance.  My Chinese friend, who is in-house at Goldman in Hong Kong, flies to the beaches in Thailand, Indonesia or Vietnam for the weekend!  I advise anyone who has yet to trek all the way out there to do so someday and you'll truly understand what I am talking about.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: Contract2008 on April 23, 2008, 12:38:05 PM
I have definitely done my research

I am sure you have.   ::)
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: RockinJay on April 23, 2008, 01:09:31 PM
And scene......
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: Contract2008 on April 23, 2008, 02:54:09 PM
I posted this question in another forum but not sure it was the right location.

Anyways, after living overseas for a while I am absolutely in love with Asia. I spoke with several Managing Partners at some of the biggest international law firms in Bangkok and they all informed me to attend a US law school.  Bangkok is booming (quiet, no jokes!) as many banks and corporations are setting up shop there with a steady 6-8% annual growth rate.

I would like to end up working in Bangkok (or even Hong Kong perhaps) for one of the major BigLaw firms out there.  Any thoughts from the LSD crowd?

FIU grads are having problems finding jobs in Miami.  Seriously, it will be virtually impossible to land a job at an international firm in Asia coming out of FIU.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: RockinJay on April 23, 2008, 03:08:35 PM
But the school has the word "International" in its name...hahaha, just kidding.   8)  What about some of the other schools I've been accepted/applied to?  Any thoughts?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: bossofyou on April 23, 2008, 03:08:48 PM
more FLIED LICE!
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: Contract2008 on April 23, 2008, 03:14:17 PM
But the school has the word "International" in its name...hahaha, just kidding.   8)  What about some of the other schools I've been accepted/applied to?  Any thoughts?  Thanks.

What other schools have you been accepted to? 

For international law firm, the answer is probably no, unless it's a Top 20 law school.     
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: themanwithnoname on April 23, 2008, 03:26:25 PM
ok seriously you don't know what you are talking about if you are saying it is virtually imposslbe to get a job at an international firm if you are outside of the top 20 schools. You need top 20 to have a very high chance of landing a firm with an international practice, but it is not like "international law firm" is a category above and beyond Biglaw: in fact a lot of the firms with tons of international offices are less selective than the "bulge bracket" of ny firms (Wachtell, Cravath, Simpson, Davis, Sullivan, etc) and DC firms (Covington, WilmerHale, Williams and Connolloy). Clifford, DLA, and White and Case have tons of overseas offices and are considerably less selective than the top ny or DC firms. If you are outside the top 20 you will need to do very well (top 1/3 at a place like fordham, for instance, top 10% at a place like Brooklyn) but it is not "virtually impossible."
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: RockinJay on April 23, 2008, 03:29:44 PM
themanwithnoname,

Very good points.  Just look at the attorney bios and you'll see many of them did not go to a Top 20 school.  But a powerhouse name (i.e. any of the Ivy's) will carry alot of weight no matter where you go.  I know Wisconsin and some of the UC state schools are huge in Bangkok and Hong Kong.

Thanks for the info., kick-ass post!
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: themanwithnoname on April 23, 2008, 03:32:48 PM
yeah I don't want to oversell it: it will definitely be an uphill battle to get biglaw outside of a certain range, but not impossible. What firms have good Bangkok offices? I might be able to give some more information if I knew that.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: Contract2008 on April 23, 2008, 03:33:38 PM
themanwithnoname,

Very good points.  Just look at the attorney bios and you'll see many of them did not go to a Top 20 school.  But a powerhouse name (i.e. any of the Ivy's) will carry alot of weight no matter where you go.  I know Wisconsin and some of the UC state schools are huge in Bangkok and Hong Kong.

Thanks for the info., kick-ass post!

Wisconsin and UC state schools are in or near top 30, thus not far from top 20.   Anything beyond that, it's going to be very hard.  By the way, you don't know if those from Wisconsin or UC state schools are top 10%, law review members, etc. or not.  Maybe they all are.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: themanwithnoname on April 23, 2008, 03:35:07 PM
You DEFINITELY do not need top 10% from UCLA to get biglaw.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: Contract2008 on April 23, 2008, 07:39:52 PM
You DEFINITELY do not need top 10% from UCLA to get biglaw.

First, we're talking about biglaw outside of US.  Second, we're talking about non-top 20 UC schools (read the above posts) and that would exclude UCLA.  And, third, the OP is not even talking about Tier 1 or even Tier 2 or Tier 3 that he is going to attend. 



Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: thorc954 on April 23, 2008, 09:18:20 PM
http://abovethelaw.com/

im contributing nothing to this thread, but there was an article on ATL about Americans going to Asia to work.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: themanwithnoname on April 23, 2008, 09:55:19 PM
ok, what on earth gives you the idea that the international positions are harder to get than the domestic ones, especially when these international offices are often staffed by people who transfer from the US offices. I don't know which firms this guy is looking at, but you are under the misapprehension that foreign offices are harder to get than US ones... what is your basis for this statement.
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: themanwithnoname on April 23, 2008, 09:58:44 PM
what makes you say that international is harder to get than US biglaw?
Title: Re: Interested in working in Bangkok, Thailand
Post by: Contract2008 on April 24, 2008, 01:09:19 PM
what makes you say that international is harder to get than US biglaw?

There are more states associates positions available than overseas.  Futhermore, you completely failed to address my second and third points.