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Deciding Where to Go => Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists => Topic started by: jkang2 on June 13, 2005, 03:20:00 PM

Title: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on June 13, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
I just got it via u.s. mail.  Once again, they word it in a fashion that gives you some hope.  However, statistically its not good. 

They say, "This list consists of a group of well-qualified candidates for whom there currently is no space available in our entering class.  Open CAN occur at any time during the summer, including late August."

Why don't they just say, "This list consists of several hundred semi-qualified candidates for whom there is no space available.  Opening can occur ONLY IF one of our well-qualified students decides to "dump" us for better school, "dump" us for a worse school, committ some form of crime, gotten into some form of bodily accident, or just simply decided to not attend law school.  However, from past experience, a person on a wailist is extremely not likely to be accepted.  This is because we USE you as an insurance policy."

If Truth is Told then Youth Can grow.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 14, 2005, 07:27:07 AM
I'm glad you started this new thread jkang...now, we can stop pining over the vague reserve list thread and focus on our real priority...another waitlist.

Honestly, I thought getting on their waitlist would mean a much better chance of getting in, but it looks almost everyone got placed on the waitlist.  I think I may call today or tomorrow to try and get a better idea of the list's size and set-up.

I just don't understand why they'd create a waitlist bigger than their class so late in the year.  It defies all logic.  At least we can all claim to be part of the most confusing admissions/waitlist process in the country.

Good luck
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 14, 2005, 09:36:51 AM
It really would be nice if we had all of this discussion on one unified thread so that the same thing does not have to be said in a million different places and so people do not have to spend so much time searching for different threads.

For those who are unaware, the main discussion is occuring here: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,34316.80.html

At least by posting here, I can add this to the "unread replies to your posts" thingy.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Neub on June 14, 2005, 02:14:37 PM
I like the new thread as well.  I honestly can't understand the logic of keeping the wait list in the hundreds. Oh well.

Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on June 14, 2005, 04:27:46 PM
I just got an email from Cornell.

They said:

1) The wailist is few hundred.
2) they don't RANK waitlist
3) From admission counselor's view point, being on the summer waitlist does not help or hinder with future admission chances.

I agree that many people got waitlisted.  Only question is, how many open seats will be available.  Its really unlikely that someone who signed up with Cornell would cancel and go somewhere else, just because some other place accepted them.  In my opinion, unless it is Harvard/Yale/Stanford/Columbia/NYU/maybe Chicago and U.Penn, it will be TOO MUCH HASSLE.  It would be rare that someone who already signed with Cornell would forgo their guaranteed financial aid just to sign up with other T-14, who will not guarantee financial aid, and not mentioned above.  It would be too much hassle for them and not enough gain.  It would be ridiculous that someone would cancel Cornell with financial aid (and he might not even get his $600 back) so that they can goto UVA, with NO financial aid (since you were waitlisted), JUST BECAUSE it is ranked higher.

I think my logics apply to every lawschool.  Waitlist = Unpropitious.

By the way, does anybody know if some people got accepted from Waitlist last Year??  Was reserves program something new??   



Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 15, 2005, 07:38:38 AM
Actually, I have to disagree with you jkang.  While I doubt more than 25 or 30 people will get taken off the waitlist, I know plenty of people that would switch from Cornell to another T-14 school.  I know if I get taken off both UVA and Cornell's waitlist...I'd be at UVA in a heartbeat, even if it was last minute.  Also, hypothetically, if I had gotten into Cornell regular decision then got pulled off Penn, UVA, GULC, or HYS waitlist...I'd be at those schools in a second.  This is nothing against Cornell, but I'm from Georgia...so, I have to balance climate vs. rank.

Also, you still get financial aid no matter how late you go somewhere.  Stafford loans don't run out of funds...and you can always get private loans.  Assuming you sent them all the appropriate documents, it shouldn't take more than a week or two for them to get you out you financial aid (I know Vandy has said this shouldn't be a concern for a waitlist student).

Anyways, that's just my thought.  I definitely wouldn't turn my nose up at Cornell and would love to be there, but I don't think it's a complete lost cause to think that students wouldn't leave if they got pulled off another waitlist.

One other thing...I wonder if they are accounting for students who deposit at multiple schools...I know a few people that have done this to help prolong when they have to make a decision.  So, that's another way spots could open up.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 15, 2005, 07:43:02 AM
I just so something on the Waitlist Movement post that said Penn will be sending out something to their waitlist students in like the next week.  So, depending on the news, that might create some movement on the Cornell list, which of course will create movement at whatever school we've deposited at.

Damn this waitlist food chain.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Neub on June 15, 2005, 11:04:40 AM
I think jkang2 main point still stands, that the vast majority of seats that open up (if any do) will be people moving up to t-7 schools. Honestly, I don't even see 25-30 seats opening up in a class size of 185...probably <10. 

As soon as I read "a few hundred" on the wait list, I was really disappointed.  I thought at the very least this move to the official wait list would represent a huge cut in applicants. Oh well.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on June 15, 2005, 11:18:31 AM
I think jkang2 main point still stands, that the vast majority of seats that open up (if any do) will be people moving up to t-7 schools. Honestly, I don't even see 25-30 seats opening up in a class size of 185...probably <10. 

As soon as I read "a few hundred" on the wait list, I was really disappointed.  I thought at the very least this move to the official wait list would represent a huge cut in applicants. Oh well.

To make matters worse.  What if more than 190 enrolled so far??  230 enrolled and Cornell is hoping that some of them drop out.  So our waitlist is after 40 people drop out.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 15, 2005, 11:56:13 AM
I think jkang2 main point still stands, that the vast majority of seats that open up (if any do) will be people moving up to t-7 schools. Honestly, I don't even see 25-30 seats opening up in a class size of 185...probably <10. 

As soon as I read "a few hundred" on the wait list, I was really disappointed.  I thought at the very least this move to the official wait list would represent a huge cut in applicants. Oh well.

To make matters worse.  What if more than 190 enrolled so far??  230 enrolled and Cornell is hoping that some of them drop out.  So our waitlist is after 40 people drop out.

Good point on the overenrolling.  Although, I thought I had read somewhere that they had overenrolled last year...and that was why they did the whole reserve list thing so they could be conservative with their enrollment/acceptances.  You might be right though Neub about less than 10 seats opening up...it really just depends.

The "few hundred" thing really bothers me too.  Why make a list that big?  UVa's priority list is only 100 (150 or so if you count in-state and out-state).  I think they could have gotten the list to less than 100, and if they were going to make the list so big, you'd think this extra time would've allowed them to create a priority list or something.

To rant real quickly, I think the most frustrating part about this whole waitlist thing is not knowing where I'm at on the list.  If I knew I was at the bottom of my lists, I could get in the mindset of going somewhere else, or if I was near the top, I could do a little planning.  I was hoping this whole reserve list decision thing would give me a better idea of where I was at with Cornell, but it definitely hasn't.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Neub on June 15, 2005, 10:11:35 PM
I feel your pain uvablue.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 16, 2005, 02:08:33 AM
just be happy that you have your update from cornell

i still have heard a single word and it's beginning to drive me CRAZY

i have a good alternative lined up - i am almost hoping that they reject me so i can move on and get situated

the thought of spending the entire summer wondering is enough to twist a man's mind :)
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 16, 2005, 07:52:07 AM
I'd be beating up the mailman at this point Impaired.  Even though I'm sure your mailman is a nice guy, somebody has to be punished for making you wait so long, and who better to take your stress out on than that man in the not-so-calming blue uniform and annoyingly slow truck.

I also think it's in their job description to take punishment from overanxious law school applicants.  Section 3 Paragraph 5 of the Postmaster Code states "If mailman fails to deliver law school decision letter or Cornell's reserve/waitlist letter promptly, carrier is thereby subject to the wrath of the applicant.  If the aforementioned "late letter" contains a denial or rejection, the applicant is allowed to use carrier as his/her personal punching bag for a maximum of 90 consecutive minutes."  You guys can check for yourselves...but the Postmaster Code is never wrong...so, have at it Impaired.

PS - I'm a big dork with clearly too much free time during my last month at my job...
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: FutureLawyerMiami on June 16, 2005, 10:15:03 AM
I just received my Cornell Summer Waitlist letter yesterday.....
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 16, 2005, 10:50:16 AM
I'd be beating up the mailman at this point Impaired.  Even though I'm sure your mailman is a nice guy, somebody has to be punished for making you wait so long, and who better to take your stress out on than that man in the not-so-calming blue uniform and annoyingly slow truck.

I also think it's in their job description to take punishment from overanxious law school applicants.  Section 3 Paragraph 5 of the Postmaster Code states "If mailman fails to deliver law school decision letter or Cornell's reserve/waitlist letter promptly, carrier is thereby subject to the wrath of the applicant.  If the aforementioned "late letter" contains a denial or rejection, the applicant is allowed to use carrier as his/her personal punching bag for a maximum of 90 consecutive minutes."  You guys can check for yourselves...but the Postmaster Code is never wrong...so, have at it Impaired.

PS - I'm a big dork with clearly too much free time during my last month at my job...


HAHAHAHHA!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 16, 2005, 11:03:12 AM
Impaired, did you call them? What did they say?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: idontknow on June 16, 2005, 12:08:24 PM
Are we the only 2 people on the board who haven't heard back from Cornell?

I haven't either, but I haven't gotten today's mail yet.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: adbuster on June 16, 2005, 12:48:04 PM
Are we the only 2 people on the board who haven't heard back from Cornell?

I haven't either, but I haven't gotten today's mail yet.

Same here--I haven't heard a thing from them, but I haven't gotten today's mail either.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Everyman on June 16, 2005, 02:54:29 PM
I just picked up today's mail ... still nothing.

Maybe they're going in alphabetical order?  I know that I am later in the alphabet.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 16, 2005, 02:56:04 PM
Well that could explain why I was early. C is pretty darn early in most alphabets people use.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: idontknow on June 16, 2005, 03:33:16 PM
Great deduction...I am later in the alphabet also

I didn't get anything in the mail today. My last name starts with a P so I guess that alphabet thing might be right.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: OnDayAtaTime on June 16, 2005, 03:35:18 PM
I called them today and they told me that a decision has yet to be made on my file. I was a Reserve from December that kept getting reserved!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: idontknow on June 16, 2005, 03:37:42 PM
Wow..I can't believe they're  not done making decisions...how long do they need?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 16, 2005, 05:12:57 PM
yeah i'm late in the alphabet as well

i'm sort of amazed by this

late early whatever. we're threatening late june here. the letter specifically stated end of may ...

but in matters such as these professionalism does not necessarily dictate a speedy and timely response

no - i haven't called them, i sort of balked at the prospect when i realized that there were others that still haven't heard

ok for those who haven't heard yet, lets all be insanely optimistic and think of it this way: the waiting list and rejection letters have gone out, we're just waiting for our acceptance packets. you know, they're larger, require more paper work - takes longer for the secretaries to stuff them :)
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Everyman on June 16, 2005, 06:24:23 PM
I wouldn't doubt that they have them in ABC order, and that they're going through them just to weed them out.  Basically, since it seems to be either waitlist or reject, they could be just going one by one and choosing one of the two available options.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Neub on June 16, 2005, 08:42:37 PM
seems to fit the situations...i'm an E
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: hopefulandwaiting on June 16, 2005, 11:26:05 PM
To all those that believe in the alphabet thing...my last name begins with G and I got my letter dated June 7th--for whatever its worth.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 17, 2005, 06:43:41 AM
During a phone call a couple of days ago they said that they were not accepting anyone off of the reserve list, so if these delays are acceptances, I will be surprised. Good luck anyway.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 17, 2005, 08:01:10 AM
I think the alphabet thing is good guess.  I'm an H and I think I got mine a couple days after jclaw, who is a C.  To think I beat up my mailman for nothing...well, he deserved for delivering those silly rejections from NYU, Columbia, Penn, and Michigan.

Even if it is the alphabet thing, I think Impaired makes an excellent point...they said late May and now we're approaching mid-June.  Since it takes a few weeks to get all the waitlist cards mailed back in, they probably won't even be able to move on the waitlist until the end of June or start of July.  Argh...More waiting for the most impatient man on earth.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 17, 2005, 08:23:50 AM
In general, I think if you cannot have your status up in the air for awhile, you should not be sticking on this wait list. (I am not saying you folks cannot handle this, I am just saying our situation will not be resolved anytime soon). I am confident that at least a few spots will open up at Cornell, but my guess is that this will not happen anytime soon and that most wait list people will end up being disappointed.

Getting into Cornell is important enough for me that I am willing to stick on this for another month or so, but if my current option was close to being as good for me as Cornell would be, I would withdraw and just get closure. Personally, I am freaked out about being able to get a place to live at my other option should Cornell continue to close its doors to me.

I feel for all of you folks in this situation. If I ran the university I would be doubling the class size just this once...  ;)

Bottom line, I agree that I our best hope is around the beginning of July for the first spot to open up.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 17, 2005, 08:28:38 AM
not to pour sour milk on this thread but do any of you ACTUALLY think that you'll be at cornell next year?

Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 17, 2005, 08:31:12 AM
I put my chances at 20% being there.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 17, 2005, 09:01:59 AM
Honestly, I'm fine with waiting.  I've set up things so that I can wait until mid-August to hear from schools.  Of course, that's not to say that I wouldn't like to hear sooner and won't do a little bitching along the way.  Like unicorn, I kinda got the feeling that I'd get something a little more firm from Cornell based on the reserve list letter, and I actually asked my boss to try and wait until June (in hopes of hearing from Cornell) before needing a decision about staying another year or going to law school.

I sincerely want to go to Cornell, and based on what I've looked at on LSN, I think I have a decent chance (depending on how many people they accept those chances could range form 5%-30%).  I think all of us just want some closure and that's why I get frustrated with this waiting.

Also, I think the sooner we know the sooner we can open up spots at the schools we're deposited at.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 17, 2005, 09:20:04 AM
You really think that many people will get into Cornell from the Waitlist.  I was thinking like 1 or 2, but that was just a random guess.

I would guess it will fall into the 1-10 range.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 17, 2005, 09:27:45 AM
You really think that many people will get into Cornell from the Waitlist.  I was thinking like 1 or 2, but that was just a random guess.

Well, I was thinking 5-10 for my low number and probably 25 or so for a high optimistic number.  I definitely think it'll be more than 1 or 2 people...Why would they create such a big waitlist if they were overenrolled?  I think there is a big difference between full and overenrolled, and if they're just full and not overenrolled, I think through attrition at least 5 or more spaces would be open.  I've only heard the stories of only 1 or 2 people getting in off the waitlist when schools overenroll (like Vandy did last year and UVA 2 years ago), and their overenrollment in effect becomes their watilist.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 17, 2005, 10:04:37 AM
But why create a "reserve" list if the class is full?

B/c they did not expect their class to be full with the number of acceptances they sent out. Cornell has increased its standings in the USNWR and predicting the rate of second deposit payments is rather difficult. I think it would be wrong to assume that Cornell intentionally strung out the reserve list decisions.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ohwellok on June 17, 2005, 10:14:55 AM
I think the alphabet thing is good guess.  I'm an H and I think I got mine a couple days after jclaw, who is a C.  To think I beat up my mailman for nothing...well, he deserved for delivering those silly rejections from NYU, Columbia, Penn, and Michigan.

Even if it is the alphabet thing, I think Impaired makes an excellent point...they said late May and now we're approaching mid-June.  Since it takes a few weeks to get all the waitlist cards mailed back in, they probably won't even be able to move on the waitlist until the end of June or start of July.  Argh...More waiting for the most impatient man on earth.

sorry, guys, but i don't know about this whole alphabet thing. i'm an h as well, and STILL have not heard anything. damn cornell, when will i hear from you!?!?!?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 17, 2005, 10:18:24 AM
I think the reserve list was actually created before any of the deposit deadlines.  So, they couldn't really know the class was going to be full when they created it.  Also, I think that was the whole theory behind the reserve list..."We don't want to put people on a waitlist if we know there is no chance...So, we'll wait and see what our class looks like then decide if a waitlist or rejection is needed"

In theory, it's actually a good idea, but obviously, in practicality, it has its frustrations
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 17, 2005, 04:23:40 PM
i see an OVERenrolled t14 with a waiting list that is several hundred deep and actually exceeds the size of the overenrolled class itself ...

i really can't imagine that that many people are going to turn cornell down at this point. yeah, a few undoubtedly will - maybe just enough to make their class size work, maybe just enugh so that one, two, three, or four from the pool of several hundred wait listed applicants will get pulled up. doesn't seem too promising to me.

we will call it "the cornell lottery" - who is going to win?

buy your tickets please
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 18, 2005, 12:13:20 AM
i see an OVERenrolled t14 with a waiting list that is several hundred deep and actually exceeds the size of the overenrolled class itself ...

How do you see this overenrolled class?

Did you end up getting a letter eventually?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 18, 2005, 10:21:59 AM
if you check the other cornell wait list thread you will see that someone was told by the people in the admissions office (during a phone inquiry as to the state of the reserve list) that they have in fact overenrolled this year .... and i think by a magnitude of thirty to forty people - so they have to burn through those people BEFORE they even start looking at the wait listers

and no, still nothing - which is really weird

i'll give them another couple of days and then i will feel obligated to call

("so, are you going to reject me now or wait until the end of august to reject me?")
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 18, 2005, 02:48:25 PM
I pretty sure that was actually someone speculating about it. They won't say anything outside it being full.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ohwellok on June 19, 2005, 10:07:25 AM
well, i finally got my waitlist letter...turns out it was sent to my parent's house. it's nice that i didn't get rejected, and i'll be staying on it. however, seeing that there are so many people on it, i'm not really expecting anything to pan out from this. oh well.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 19, 2005, 04:59:46 PM
How late are you all going to wait as far as getting started with your current best option?

I am starting to get concerned about finding a place to live and all that, personally. I also wonder what I would do if an offer came right at registration.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 20, 2005, 10:12:39 AM
How late are you all going to wait as far as getting started with your current best option?

I am starting to get concerned about finding a place to live and all that, personally. I also wonder what I would do if an offer came right at registration.

Personally, I'm willing to wait until the late August.  As I've said, I set up my housing at Emory...so I can move out late into August without any big fees.

I really didn't think about housing at Cornell until recently, but I'm hoping there will be on-campus housing open.  If not, I just hope I can find something based on my friends' recommendations.  With UVA and Vandy, I already have housing backups plans if I get pulled off the waitlist last minute (my brother works at Vandy hospital so I can live with him and I have plenty of friends still at UVA.).  I guess maybe I should look closer into a Cornell backup plan in case on-campus housing isn't available.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 20, 2005, 10:26:24 AM
Guys, I have one other "thinking ahead" question.  I think I might end up getting this RA-type job at Emory, where I'm currently planning to go to law school; and basically, it'd give me free room and board, a salary, and I'd also get a 1/4 discount on my tuition.  If you combine that with the 1/4 tuition scholarship I already have, it dramatically reduces my cost of attendance from $40,000 w/scholarship to $10K - 12K per year (assuming I paid half or so of my salary toward tuition). 

Anyways, my question is...if I get taken off a waitlist, what should I do?  I'm pretty sure if I got in off Cornell or UVa's waitlists...I'd still go there, but I'm not sure about Vandy (the waitlist that I have the best chance at), since it's not quite as big of a leap in the rankings.  Any thoughts?

By the way, just to give some perspective, before I found out about this job, there was no question in my mind that if any of my waitlist schools accepted me, I would choose them over Emory.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 20, 2005, 10:48:54 AM
Guys, I have one other "thinking ahead" question.  I think I might end up getting this RA-type job at Emory, where I'm currently planning to go to law school; and basically, it'd give me free room and board, a salary, and I'd also get a 1/4 discount on my tuition.  If you combine that with the 1/4 tuition scholarship I already have, it dramatically reduces my cost of attendance from $40,000 w/scholarship to $10K - 12K per year (assuming I paid half or so of my salary toward tuition). 

Anyways, my question is...if I get taken off a waitlist, what should I do?  I'm pretty sure if I got in off Cornell or UVa's waitlists...I'd still go there, but I'm not sure about Vandy (the waitlist that I have the best chance at), since it's not quite as big of a leap in the rankings.  Any thoughts?

By the way, just to give some perspective, before I found out about this job, there was no question in my mind that if any of my waitlist schools accepted me, I would choose them over Emory.

I think it is important to ask youself what you want to be doing after law school and how much rankings will matter with that. One thing to think about is what if you go off the Vanderbilt wait list? Would part of you be hoping that UVa or Cornell would open up? Usually they do not give you much time to decide and likely offers won't come at the same time.

I guess what I am getting at is that maybe it's not a bad idea to whittle down schools you are willing to hold out for as the summer goes on. It sounds like maybe there's at least one school where you are not sure you would drop anything for.

Personally, I am on the wait list at both Michigan and Cornell. Supposedly the Michigan wait list is beginning to or just about to move again. I would much rather go to Cornell so I am wondering what I will do if Michigan gives me an offer before Cornell has been ruled out. Probably I would take the bird in the fist rather than in the bush, but I am not sure...

I am thinking I am going to withdraw from Michigan and just leave an opening for Cornell should it start getting well into July without an offer from either school. That I am pretty sure of.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 21, 2005, 11:03:06 AM
You make a solid point JC.  Before I heard about this job opportunity, I was planning to take whichever waitlist offer I got first.  I want to practice nationally and probably in a big firm and I felt Vandy, Cornell, or UVA would give me better prospects coming out of school.  I guess the big thing that has changed is the money.  Having a low debt load coming out would give me a lot more options on what jobs I could pursue because I wouldn't have to worry about paying so much off.

Honestly, I think I'll have to wait to see what happens first...this all may be a moot point if no one accepts me.  I think I may take myself off Vandy waitlist if it gets into August without any word, but I do know that if I hear from Cornell or UVA, I'm there no matter the price difference (although a 20K scholarship would be nice).
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 21, 2005, 02:03:03 PM
well still no word from cornell - and they do have my correct address

???
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Everyman on June 21, 2005, 03:01:44 PM
No word here, either
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: idontknow on June 21, 2005, 03:38:03 PM
me neither. :-\
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 21, 2005, 04:38:22 PM
well apparently some of you have last names that come early in the alphabet - or if not significantly early then at least before some of the people that have already received their updates, which somewhat discredits the alphabetical theory.

maybe there is just a huge randomly ordered stack of "reservists" that they have to go through and we are at the bottom somewhere.

maybe we are in the ambiguous pile, i.e. no decision could have been made as to rejection / wait list status the frist go around and we are waiting for a files to be looked at again.

or maybe we are being kept "on-deck", which is to say that we are in group that will be used to quickly reinforce the class once it starts dwindling. presumably it's more cost effective to send one update via mail then two (from waiting list to accepted). ok, this is a reach, i know.

or maybe i'm thinking about this too much, yeah, that sounds about right
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 21, 2005, 05:43:34 PM
Why doesn't one of you just call?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: idontknow on June 22, 2005, 08:07:10 AM
I emailed this morning and they replied pretty quickly. They said they send out a decision to me last Thursday and that I should get it shortly. Kinda sucks cause I'm leaving to got to NY for 5 weeks today.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 22, 2005, 05:32:23 PM
yeah mine is in the mail now as well ...
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 22, 2005, 07:50:17 PM
Maybe you guys were accepted?

I mean I see some of the numbers you folks have and they are so impressive that I am not sure why they would have problems putting you on the wait list. So then why the hold up?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: idontknow on June 22, 2005, 09:06:58 PM
It seems like they would call for that. Or at least e-mail.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 22, 2005, 11:26:05 PM
Maybe you guys were accepted?

I mean I see some of the numbers you folks have and they are so impressive that I am not sure why they would have problems putting you on the wait list. So then why the hold up?

yeah that'd be an email or phone call for sure

i'm eagerly awaiting my waiting list / rejection letter (not really)
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: carly on June 23, 2005, 03:56:45 AM
Well, I got my waitlist letter in the mail yesterday. I dont think Ill stay on it since I already signed a lease for an apartment in Boston.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jblawguy on June 23, 2005, 10:19:55 AM
Well I hope that you some of you guys were offerred acceptances because that means that the wait list is actually something of value and that there are less people in front of me for a spot.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: lawschoolny on June 23, 2005, 09:23:42 PM
in case anyone's still waiting . . i got the "you've been released (rejected) from the waitlist" letter yesterday.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: unicorngt1983 on June 25, 2005, 03:16:42 PM
Bad news, I have been moved from the special reserve list to the waitlist.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Everyman on June 25, 2005, 03:53:47 PM
I still haven't heard even with today's mail...

I did send them an email updating them with my new LSAT score, though.  And I think I wrote something like, "It is my understanding that little or no spots in the class are available, however, if one opens up, you can count on me accepting an offer of admission".

Some BS like that, but fully sincere.  I'll let you know if they address my spots comment.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on June 26, 2005, 10:24:16 AM
I think the alphabet thing is good guess.  I'm an H and I think I got mine a couple days after jclaw, who is a C.  To think I beat up my mailman for nothing...well, he deserved for delivering those silly rejections from NYU, Columbia, Penn, and Michigan.

Even if it is the alphabet thing, I think Impaired makes an excellent point...they said late May and now we're approaching mid-June.  Since it takes a few weeks to get all the waitlist cards mailed back in, they probably won't even be able to move on the waitlist until the end of June or start of July.  Argh...More waiting for the most impatient man on earth.

sorry, guys, but i don't know about this whole alphabet thing. i'm an h as well, and STILL have not heard anything. damn cornell, when will i hear from you!?!?!?

Yeah I am K and I was one of the first ones to get it.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on June 26, 2005, 10:25:43 AM
in case anyone's still waiting . . i got the "you've been released (rejected) from the waitlist" letter yesterday.

waitlist or reserve???  Were you on the waitlist?? Or were you on the reserve???
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on June 27, 2005, 08:58:00 AM
in case anyone's still waiting . . i got the "you've been released (rejected) from the waitlist" letter yesterday.

waitlist or reserve???  Were you on the waitlist?? Or were you on the reserve???

Yes, definitely a huge difference.  I hope they're not already sending out rejection letters to the waitlist.  I just got on it a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on June 28, 2005, 05:40:42 PM
STILL haven't heard anything from cornell yet
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on June 29, 2005, 02:28:31 PM
STILL haven't heard anything from cornell yet

I am pretty sure you tried calling them. 

I forgot, did they say they are stil making decisions as to which candidates to put on the waitlist??  Or are they done deciding but snail mail is screwed up?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: confuseddude on June 30, 2005, 11:51:10 AM
I heard that some people got accepted in May off of the wait list last year. I don't understand what's going on with you guys, but it sounds like it sucks. I got off a wait list though at a T14 if that gives you any hope.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 01, 2005, 03:44:27 PM
I heard that some people got accepted in May off of the wait list last year. I don't understand what's going on with you guys, but it sounds like it sucks. I got off a wait list though at a T14 if that gives you any hope.

An article from Wallstreet Journal stated that there has been a substantial decrease of waitlisters getting accepted from top undergrad.

Although this was undergrad, it kinda shows that demand is high for these little, ungrowing space.  However, out of schools listed Cornell was the most waitlist-friendly while Yale was the worst, zero getting in from the list. 

So, that sorta gives you a reason for thinking that same applies to law school.   
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Everyman on July 04, 2005, 09:45:03 PM
I sent an email this weekend dropping off the waitlist.

Good luck to everyone else!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on July 05, 2005, 05:09:20 AM
yeah me as well

have a very strong alternative lined up that isn't in ithaca ... no use pulling my hair out until august when it isn't really necessary ...

good luck to everyone who is still waiting
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on July 05, 2005, 01:22:06 PM
Has anyone heard anything on a timeline or anything?

Best of luck at your schools Impaired and B.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: confuseddude on July 06, 2005, 07:28:06 AM
My understanding with wait lists like this is that usually the second deposit deadline and the two weeks before and until orientation are usually the most important times. I would expect the worst and plan for the best if I were you guys. Meaning, that you should figure out as late as you can hold out and how you can quickly adjust at this deadline.

If you are at a point where you know you cannot make it work, then it's better to withdraw. Otherwise if it somehow does work out you will be haunted by something you cannot have. Ignorance is bliss sometimes.

Otherwise, set the deadline on when this will happens and plan ahead! Not planning ahead will put in you in the position where I am where I am not sure I can make it happen and am out another deposit.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jpstickywicket on July 06, 2005, 02:29:16 PM
I hate to be a pain, but would somebody mind posting the text of their waitlist letter here?  I'm assuming that they're all the same.

Mine went to my permanent address and my mother forgot where she put it.  I'm trying to craft a continued interest letter to send in the next day or so and just thought it would be handy to have.  Thanks in advance to anyone who helps.  I'll be sure to include a change of address in my letter!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 07, 2005, 12:26:52 PM
in case anyone's still waiting . . i got the "you've been released (rejected) from the waitlist" letter yesterday.

I still don't understand what you are saying.  Were you on the waitlist or the reserve?? 

Did you get on the waitlist and then got a rejection letter, or did you simply not get on the waitlist??
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 07, 2005, 12:52:59 PM
Actually, I have to disagree with you jkang.  While I doubt more than 25 or 30 people will get taken off the waitlist, I know plenty of people that would switch from Cornell to another T-14 school.  I know if I get taken off both UVA and Cornell's waitlist...I'd be at UVA in a heartbeat, even if it was last minute.  Also, hypothetically, if I had gotten into Cornell regular decision then got pulled off Penn, UVA, GULC, or HYS waitlist...I'd be at those schools in a second.  This is nothing against Cornell, but I'm from Georgia...so, I have to balance climate vs. rank.

Also, you still get financial aid no matter how late you go somewhere.  Stafford loans don't run out of funds...and you can always get private loans.  Assuming you sent them all the appropriate documents, it shouldn't take more than a week or two for them to get you out you financial aid (I know Vandy has said this shouldn't be a concern for a waitlist student).

Anyways, that's just my thought.  I definitely wouldn't turn my nose up at Cornell and would love to be there, but I don't think it's a complete lost cause to think that students wouldn't leave if they got pulled off another waitlist.

One other thing...I wonder if they are accounting for students who deposit at multiple schools...I know a few people that have done this to help prolong when they have to make a decision.  So, that's another way spots could open up.

You didn't read my thread carefully.  Please read it before disagreeing.  I know you future lawyers of this website are all eager to "object."  But you did not read my thread.

My points were:
1) If you were accepted from waitlist at HYS/Columbia/NYU/Chicago/UPenn, then it is logical for you to cancel Cornell regular admission.

2)  If you were regularly accepted at Cornell and waitlisted at UVA/Duke/Northwestern/GULC, it would be "less likely" that you would reject your regular admission from Cornell and goto these lower T-14.  By lower T-14 I mean those schools that are not listed in my point #1.


You were taking time to say "I would go to UVA over Cornell if I was in waitlist for both of them." My hypothetical was never about a situation where you are waitlisted at both.  If you read  my previous thread carefully, or #2 above, you will know that your story does not even touch my hypothetical,  simply because I was talking about regular admission to cornell vs. getting off the waitlist in UVA.  Also, I used UVA as an example of a T-14 school that is ranked slightly higher than Cornell but lower than schools mentioned in my point #1 (HYS/Columbia..etc).

Also, your statement about "canceling admissions to go to another school depends on weather/environment..etc.." is not really helpful since it is so obvious.  Lets talk more about probability and relative weights these elements have on people canceling regular admissions to get into waitlist school.   

By getting accepted from Waitlist, your grants are not guaranteed.  Grants are never guaranteed (true statement).  However, if you were reguarly accepted to cornell and offered some grant, would you risk this by signing to UVA whose guarantees for grants are lower since you were admitted from the waitlist?  This is a subjective question but I am speculating that unless a person has an important personal reason, they will be reluctant to change in the last minute to UVA.  But, this all depends on your balance of benefit and loss.  If you value UVA that much than I can't say it.  But why do you value?  Perhaps some "important personal reason?" 
 
I am speculating every single one of my claims.  But I am confident that my statements are weak enough to not stur up objections from all direction.

Dissapointed that out of anyone you didn't read my thread carefully. Maybe I was very vague in my language. Sorry 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 07, 2005, 12:54:34 PM
I think jkang2 main point still stands, that the vast majority of seats that open up (if any do) will be people moving up to t-7 schools. Honestly, I don't even see 25-30 seats opening up in a class size of 185...probably <10. 

As soon as I read "a few hundred" on the wait list, I was really disappointed.  I thought at the very least this move to the official wait list would represent a huge cut in applicants. Oh well.

Unlike UVAblue, you actually read my thread.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Flash on July 07, 2005, 01:49:47 PM
I really don't think predicting student behavior is as cut and dry as we would like it to be.  I declined regular admissions at UPenn for a waitlist spot at UVa, so you can't always rely on numbers.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 07, 2005, 10:56:40 PM
I really don't think predicting student behavior is as cut and dry as we would like it to be.  I declined regular admissions at UPenn for a waitlist spot at UVa, so you can't always rely on numbers.

Once again, I never doubted the existence of the possibility that some individual rejected Upenn regular admission for waitlist at UVA.  But, didn't you have a pretty solid reason outside of ranking??  Maybe, you like virginia better??  I dunno. 

I don't think anybody on this site said that predicting student behavior is cut and dry.

So, were you accepted from the waitlist at UVA??  Or did you decline Upenn without acceptance from UVA.  If it is the latter, its unreasonably risky and just insane.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: hopefulandwaiting on July 07, 2005, 11:54:07 PM
Hi Everyone,
I am waitlisted at Cornell and am wondering where everyone else is at in their decision making process with respect to staying on the waitlist.  It appears that some of you have still not even heard whether or not you are on the waitlist, but for those of you who have heard...how long are you all thinking you'll wait to hear for an acceptance before you'd just turn it down? Or have you made other plans already? (I know these questions seem obvious, but I feel like they are not really being discussed on here as much anymore).  Also, has anyone visited Cornell?? I'd really like to visit but doubt I can afford to go--so if anyone can offer insight--I'd be very appreciative. Thanks!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: uvablue on July 08, 2005, 09:40:21 AM
Actually, I have to disagree with you jkang.  While I doubt more than 25 or 30 people will get taken off the waitlist, I know plenty of people that would switch from Cornell to another T-14 school.  I know if I get taken off both UVA and Cornell's waitlist...I'd be at UVA in a heartbeat, even if it was last minute.  Also, hypothetically, if I had gotten into Cornell regular decision then got pulled off Penn, UVA, GULC, or HYS waitlist...I'd be at those schools in a second.  This is nothing against Cornell, but I'm from Georgia...so, I have to balance climate vs. rank.

Also, you still get financial aid no matter how late you go somewhere.  Stafford loans don't run out of funds...and you can always get private loans.  Assuming you sent them all the appropriate documents, it shouldn't take more than a week or two for them to get you out you financial aid (I know Vandy has said this shouldn't be a concern for a waitlist student).

Anyways, that's just my thought.  I definitely wouldn't turn my nose up at Cornell and would love to be there, but I don't think it's a complete lost cause to think that students wouldn't leave if they got pulled off another waitlist.

One other thing...I wonder if they are accounting for students who deposit at multiple schools...I know a few people that have done this to help prolong when they have to make a decision.  So, that's another way spots could open up.

You didn't read my thread carefully.  Please read it before disagreeing.  I know you future lawyers of this website are all eager to "object."  But you did not read my thread.

My points were:
1) If you were accepted from waitlist at HYS/Columbia/NYU/Chicago/UPenn, then it is logical for you to cancel Cornell regular admission.

2)  If you were regularly accepted at Cornell and waitlisted at UVA/Duke/Northwestern/GULC, it would be "less likely" that you would reject your regular admission from Cornell and goto these lower T-14.  By lower T-14 I mean those schools that are not listed in my point #1.


You were taking time to say "I would go to UVA over Cornell if I was in waitlist for both of them." My hypothetical was never about a situation where you are waitlisted at both.  If you read  my previous thread carefully, or #2 above, you will know that your story does not even touch my hypothetical,  simply because I was talking about regular admission to cornell vs. getting off the waitlist in UVA.  Also, I used UVA as an example of a T-14 school that is ranked slightly higher than Cornell but lower than schools mentioned in my point #1 (HYS/Columbia..etc).

Also, your statement about "canceling admissions to go to another school depends on weather/environment..etc.." is not really helpful since it is so obvious.  Lets talk more about probability and relative weights these elements have on people canceling regular admissions to get into waitlist school.   

By getting accepted from Waitlist, your grants are not guaranteed.  Grants are never guaranteed (true statement).  However, if you were reguarly accepted to cornell and offered some grant, would you risk this by signing to UVA whose guarantees for grants are lower since you were admitted from the waitlist?  This is a subjective question but I am speculating that unless a person has an important personal reason, they will be reluctant to change in the last minute to UVA.  But, this all depends on your balance of benefit and loss.  If you value UVA that much than I can't say it.  But why do you value?  Perhaps some "important personal reason?" 
 
I am speculating every single one of my claims.  But I am confident that my statements are weak enough to not stur up objections from all direction.

Dissapointed that out of anyone you didn't read my thread carefully. Maybe I was very vague in my language. Sorry 

Well, I'm a little bit confused as to why your bringing up this issue three weeks after I posted it.  Honestly, I don't remember exactly what I was trying to say.  I apologize if I misread or misinterpreted your thread, but it's not like I'm taking notes or anything when I read your posts.  Furthermore, I think there are a lot better ways to point out our possible disagreement than talking down to me like I'm some kid hoping to show off my "law skills" on LSD.  I really wasn't trying to present a "bullet proof" argument or even a major objection, rather I was just hypothesizing (based on my own situation) that accepted students at Cornell might cancel their admission if taken off a waitlist at certain T-14 schools.

Clearly, you and I misunderstood each other's intended arguments.  However, let's save the rude comments and haughty responses for discussions that didn't happen three weeks ago.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 08, 2005, 10:52:44 PM
UVABLUE.

I understand.  I wasn't patronizing you as if you are some stupid kid.  My original intention was never to do that but I guess I got carried away.  I was just scanning through the pages. 

Lets just drop it.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: hopefulandwaiting on July 09, 2005, 11:09:06 AM
Can we please get back to the original topic here? ;)
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 11, 2005, 12:48:29 AM
Yes, the topic.

Did someone call the admission and ask if they are OVER booked for now.  That is, they have more than 200 students (maybe 230) and is waiting for them to drop before even hitting the waitlist??  If so then I think I have no chance simply because it is insanely competitive. 

Can someone confirm this??

Also, can we get information about last year's waitlist?? 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: siehead on July 11, 2005, 12:59:43 AM
tag
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: WashUniv on July 11, 2005, 07:34:39 AM
 random2341 :  you sound like the cornell law administrative assistant. perhaps, being a "newbie" that you are, you are working in the office currently and are tired of hearing people like jkang2 and others whining.  just a guess  ;)
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: shotcaller on July 11, 2005, 01:04:51 PM
random2341 :  you sound like the cornell law administrative assistant. perhaps, being a "newbie" that you are, you are working in the office currently and are tired of hearing people like jkang2 and others whining.  just a guess  ;)

yea, jkang2 is indeed a whiny little biatch and annoying beyond belief. also, jkang2 = mingdynasty.

HTH
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 11, 2005, 05:19:23 PM
random2341 :  you sound like the cornell law administrative assistant. perhaps, being a "newbie" that you are, you are working in the office currently and are tired of hearing people like jkang2 and others whining.  just a guess  ;)

Who the @#!* are you.  Shotcaller?? LMAO.  Look, just get the @#!* off of this post cause I am honestly sick and tired of faggots like you posting racial epithets and starting *&^% with random people.  Just because its internet, you think you can just act rude??  Shotcaller with only one post??  Washington University??  LMAO. 

Shotcaller has only one post.  And I have never seen him at any other Cornell Waitlist forum.  Where can this guy come from?  Just exactly who are you Shotcaller.  Are you a newbie??  You came to LSD for the first time and you somehow decided to look into Waitlist post. And you somehow chose this post to talk *&^%?? 
 

Hey WASHUNIV, if. you got something to say then say it  Don't hold back.  Say what you wanna say.  Although I would prefer you not to do something like that again.  Its disgusting. 

If you got an issue then confront me like a man.  Don't be talking *&^% out of no where.  Just talk to me me in a more civilized fashion.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: unicorngt1983 on July 11, 2005, 05:24:42 PM
Everytime Cornell Summer Waitlist pops up in my unread posts I get excited because I think the waitlist is moving.  And then it just ends up being waitlisters bashing each other.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: WashUniv on July 11, 2005, 05:59:34 PM
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Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 11, 2005, 06:27:43 PM
@#!*. I left the other site because of the same *&^%. Show some respect to fellow users.  I don't understand these people making smart ass comments to just stur up a fight.

I am gonna drop it.   
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: marchofthepenguin on July 14, 2005, 06:04:10 PM
my drop dead date is prolly going to be the end of this month as well.  the agony of waiting is eating me alive.  i need to suck it up and commit to a school that actually wants me to come.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: siehead on July 14, 2005, 09:16:20 PM
I'm going to go to usc. At this point, I don't even know if I would accept an offer from GULC or Cornell, seeing as it is so late in the game. Northwestern, Boalt, or Columbia are the only schools that still have me captivated at this point.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Neub on July 15, 2005, 10:42:18 AM
I have given up on the wait list miracle myself.  I've signed a lease on a place in Boston, and I am feeling very good about attending BC. It is a wonderful feeling having some certainty for the fall.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: siehead on July 15, 2005, 11:05:34 AM
good for you neub, Im glad to see at least some of us with a bit of peace of mind. However, you know that you will get a call the day you sign the lease right?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Neub on July 17, 2005, 12:34:47 AM
lol siehead. It is ironic that even with my new found peace of mind, I still religiously check the wait list section. Good luck at USC.

billmcbain...I am not withdrawing as of yet, but sooner or later I will...(my subconscious holding out for a 12th hour miracle).
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Gary Glitter on July 17, 2005, 01:32:04 AM
after being placed on the "summer waiting list" i confronted reality and decided that the odds of me ACTUALLY being at cornell come august were exceptionally slim. with this realization in mind, (and having already paid my second seat desposit on a back up that i am very happy with) i decided that the best course of action would be for me to cancel my place on the list so that 1) i would not spend the entirety of my summer anxiously waiting around in vain 2) would be wasting my time / money / effort getting set up with where i am moving to and 3) give my law school situation a sense of finality that has been conspicuously absent and elusive since sending my apps out in september or whenever i sent them - i mean we were talking a good part of a year here, it was getting a little ridiculous. anyway, for those still waiting, good luck - hope that at least ONE of you make it off this list after all of this talk, speculation, and discussion.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 19, 2005, 12:42:19 PM
after being placed on the "summer waiting list" i confronted reality and decided that the odds of me ACTUALLY being at cornell come august were exceptionally slim. with this realization in mind, (and having already paid my second seat desposit on a back up that i am very happy with) i decided that the best course of action would be for me to cancel my place on the list so that 1) i would not spend the entirety of my summer anxiously waiting around in vain 2) would be wasting my time / money / effort getting set up with where i am moving to and 3) give my law school situation a sense of finality that has been conspicuously absent and elusive since sending my apps out in september or whenever i sent them - i mean we were talking a good part of a year here, it was getting a little ridiculous. anyway, for those still waiting, good luck - hope that at least ONE of you make it off this list after all of this talk, speculation, and discussion.

yeah, it was nice having you around.  What was your second choice??
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: klarkkunning on July 21, 2005, 07:44:54 PM
tag.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: fineprint on July 22, 2005, 10:32:00 AM
i mean we were talking a good part of a year here, it was getting a little ridiculous.

Wow, although not Cornell, I am in the same waitlisted situation, and can't believe it's been close to a freakin year since I started this law school admission journey. Starting with LSAT then applications, waiting, waiting, waiting, rejection, waitlists, more waiting, don't know how the year went. Darn.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: fineprint on July 22, 2005, 06:36:56 PM
Are you still torn over Cornell and Northwestern?

Nope. Decided on NW. Forgot to update. :)
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on July 22, 2005, 06:37:39 PM
I assume you have withdrawn from Cornell already?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: fineprint on July 22, 2005, 06:39:04 PM
I assume you have withdrawn from Cornell already?

Yes, I have.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: hopefulandwaiting on July 25, 2005, 01:02:23 PM
I have certainly not given up on it but have also not heard anything new. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 27, 2005, 12:26:15 AM
I have certainly not given up on it but have also not heard anything new. 

157??
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: hopefulandwaiting on July 27, 2005, 12:31:42 AM
Is the "157?" directed at me?  Just wondering....
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: klarkkunning on July 27, 2005, 10:30:54 AM
Hopeful, please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm curious about your LSAT.  Is it really 153?  That's way, way low for Cornell's range.  In fact, mine is low for Cornell's range.  It's none of my business, but do you have extenuating circumstances with the test score?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: hopefulandwaiting on July 27, 2005, 12:47:08 PM
Nope...I don't take it the wrong way.  Believe me...I wondered too when I got my waitlist letter.  However, I've determined that they obviously look at stuff beyond numbers.  I didn't have unusual circumstances with the test taking other than that I have test anxiety and don't ever do well on standardized tests--but my background is unique and I have had interesting experiences thus far.  I realize that a 153 is really low, but I consider my GPA and other factors to be very strong...who knows where I'll end up going to school, but Cornell is my first choice and I'm going to try to enjoy being considered as a candidate unless they tell me otherwise. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: shotcaller on July 27, 2005, 02:14:28 PM
I have certainly not given up on it but have also not heard anything new. 

157??

dearest friend jkang2,
i read in one of your earlier posts that you didn't get in anywhere. i guess your scores and/or app really sucked. judging from your posts, you seem to suck at life as well.
HTH
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: klarkkunning on July 27, 2005, 02:43:50 PM
Hopeful, congrats and good luck to you.  Thanks for responding. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 28, 2005, 10:41:22 AM
Is the "157?" directed at me?  Just wondering....

its nothing.  I thought you said something else.  SORRY!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 28, 2005, 10:45:25 AM
I have certainly not given up on it but have also not heard anything new. 

157??

dearest friend jkang2,
i read in one of your earlier posts that you didn't get in anywhere. i guess your scores and/or app really sucked. judging from your posts, you seem to suck at life as well.
HTH


My GPA/LSAT is 3.64/167.  I only applied to five schools (all late) because I wasn't planning on going this year.  I wasn't satisfied with my score. 

Shotcaller, if you got issues please confront me like a man and not like a rat. 
The way you throw these sneaky little remarks remind me of other random trolls on LSD. 
Are you a troll??

What did you get on your LSAT??  and your GPA??

If you lie then you are so pathetic. 

YOU READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS???  YOU ARE CRAZY!!!  YOU MUST HAVE NO LIFE?? NO??

PLEASE, TAKE MY NAME OFF YOUR MOTHERFUCKING MIND!!!  JESUS.  A PSYCHO.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on July 29, 2005, 11:19:39 AM
Maybe we all can just chill out and get away from the sniping of each other and focus on the topic at hand: praying for a miracle happening with the Cornell wait list.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on July 29, 2005, 10:37:21 PM
Maybe we all can just chill out and get away from the sniping of each other and focus on the topic at hand: praying for a miracle happening with the Cornell wait list.

you don't understand.  I didn't do anything.  Its just that moron who has been talking *&^%!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: disgruntled on August 01, 2005, 02:23:06 PM
just a head's up ppl...i called cornell this afternoon to ask if there has been/will be any movement on the waitlist. the lady told me that there were a few acceptances last week, and didn't know if there would be any more movement. she gave me aug 19th as the last possible date an offer of admission could potentially be given. aaaarrrgh  :-\
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 01, 2005, 03:08:56 PM
No offense, but I have some doubts about what you just said. I had been in contact with them late last week and they said that no spots had opened up and that they had not gone to the wait list yet.

Could you please elaborate on what was said in your phone call? Did they say anything about how they notified people or if the people had accepted the a wait list offer?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: disgruntled on August 01, 2005, 06:36:04 PM
No offense, but I have some doubts about what you just said. I had been in contact with them late last week and they said that no spots had opened up and that they had not gone to the wait list yet.

Could you please elaborate on what was said in your phone call? Did they say anything about how they notified people or if the people had accepted the a wait list offer?

jeez...i really gotta change my LSD name or something, it's like it oozes distrust. i have posted what i hoped would be helpful information in the past and ppl shot it down as doubtful - only to find out its validity in a day or two. i'm not a dishonest person - my post speaks for itself and i don't take back a word of what i said. it was a short phone call and there isn't really anything to add to it, that's really all there was to it. and no, i did not delve into nitpicky things like your latter question - i just called to gauge my chances. i am sorry if this is messing with what they told you before or something, but it is what it is. unless she 1. lied or 2. is misinformed, this is the way it is.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: Melinda on August 01, 2005, 06:47:55 PM
just curious... when does school start at cornell?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 02, 2005, 11:09:44 PM
disgruntle is right.

I emailed cornell and they said they did make some acceptance. 

Also, they might not accept people just because there are openings.  As far as they are concerned they could adjust the class size with some limited discretion.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: greenjeans on August 03, 2005, 07:35:10 AM
Classes start August 25, for those who are interested.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: hopefulandwaiting on August 03, 2005, 01:01:04 PM
Interesting....I called yesterday and was told there was no change in the waitlist movement, no acceptances.  Oh well...I think it really depends on who answers the phone.  At any rate...they probably aren't making many acceptances, but for those of us in CA, if the acceptances went out recently, they probably won't be here for at least a week.  I really wanted to go to Cornell, and I still would, but I'm not holding my breath.   :(
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 03, 2005, 08:52:40 PM
This was the content.


Thank you for your e-mail.  We have made some offers of admission from
the wait list.  How we make offers depends on how close to enrollment
it
is.  Sometimes we make several offers, sometimes just one.  We do not
always make an offer if a space becomes available.

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Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: king on August 04, 2005, 04:25:04 PM
Not every law school applicant posts his status on this or any other chat board.

I am sure every school accepts people from the waitlist.  The only question is how many.   
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: FinerWoman on August 04, 2005, 04:58:21 PM
I just gave up my seat at Cornell and 43K in scholarship $$ today, (late wl movement from another school)  Hopefully, that spot and the money will belong to one of you. We've all heard of schools pulling from the WL right before orienation and with spots opening up that may not just be a law applicant urban legend. Best of luck to everyone!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 04, 2005, 09:16:37 PM
I just gave up my seat at Cornell and 43K in scholarship $$ today, (late wl movement from another school)  Hopefully, that spot and the money will belong to one of you. We've all heard of schools pulling from the WL right before orienation and with spots opening up that may not just be a law applicant urban legend. Best of luck to everyone!


which school? U.Penn??
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: FinerWoman on August 05, 2005, 12:24:55 PM
Yeah.
I just gave up my seat at Cornell and 43K in scholarship $$ today, (late wl movement from another school)  Hopefully, that spot and the money will belong to one of you. We've all heard of schools pulling from the WL right before orienation and with spots opening up that may not just be a law applicant urban legend. Best of luck to everyone!


which school? U.Penn??
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: FinerWoman on August 05, 2005, 08:54:05 PM
I've been trying to sublet my apt in Ithaca and a couple of students who inquired about it said that they were just getting pulled of the WL so it seems like there is still some movement.  Best of luck.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: hopefulandwaiting on August 06, 2005, 02:07:53 AM
Hi,
Bill...sorry took me so long to respond....if I don't get Cornell I'm headed to Seattle University with $$.  I'm really hoping Cornell comes through for me though--it really is my first choice--but who knows what will happen.  I hope that everyone ends up where they're meant to be, even though I'm totally biased and I believe I'm meant to be at Cornell...LOL.  If only things went according to plan... 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ElastaGirl on August 06, 2005, 12:29:55 PM
I've been trying to sublet my apt in Ithaca and a couple of students who inquired about it said that they were just getting pulled of the WL so it seems like there is still some movement.  Best of luck.

Do you by any chance know when/how these people heard? How did you hear from Penn?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 08, 2005, 08:38:32 AM
People are being phone called if they are accepted off of the wait list. The last word was that the class is currently full again, so there will need to be more withdraws.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: FinerWoman on August 08, 2005, 03:56:51 PM
 ElastaGirl..I heard from Penn by snail mail.  Weird aat this point in the game.  I also got a letter from Cornell in June reminding me that the class is completely full
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 08, 2005, 09:57:01 PM
Why were they reminding you that their class was completely full when you were accepted? I don't understand.

hmmm...I dunt understand either.  Look at his face.  There is no way someone looking like that could get into Cornell..  J/P.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 09, 2005, 09:33:33 AM
So who out there is still staying on the wait list? It seems like few considering how quiet this thread has become.

Wait list closes on the 19th. 10 days before this hell ends.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 09, 2005, 11:28:12 AM
So who out there is still staying on the wait list? It seems like few considering how quiet this thread has become.

Wait list closes on the 19th. 10 days before this hell ends.

I'm still calling every day.  Sending the occasional letter.  Begging.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: canucker on August 09, 2005, 11:47:33 AM
For those on the waitlist on wanting to withdraw:  if you want to go to Cornell really badly, I suggest you wait it out.  I will personally be withdrawing from Cornell in the next day or so and know somebody else who will be doing the same.  At least 2 more spots, and I'm sure others will open up as well.  G-luck.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: FinerWoman on August 09, 2005, 11:58:10 AM
Why were they reminding you that their class was completely full when you were accepted? I don't understand.
Sorry...The packet had some info about Orienation and the generic letter stated that the class was full so if I was not attending to let them know as soon as possible... (This was from the end of June) So at least we know that people have been dropping out all summer since there has been movement since that 'the class is full letter'.  I agree with canucker on waiting it out. It's so annoying but it might pay off. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: hopefulandwaiting on August 09, 2005, 07:01:00 PM
Hi Everyone,
I'm still on the waiting list and planning to wait until the last possible minute if necessary...in response to one of the most recent questions on this board.  Are we sure the waitlist ends on the 19th?  Has anyone asked what happens if there are withdrawals during orientation? Also, thanks to the poster who mentioned that they and another person are withdrawing.  I realize that although the school does not exercise a 1-for-1 switch for applicants when there are withdrawals, a couple withdrawals here and there could make all the difference, or at least I am quite happy thinking it could make a difference.
Good luck to everyone!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 09, 2005, 07:22:13 PM
So who out there is still staying on the wait list? It seems like few considering how quiet this thread has become.

Wait list closes on the 19th. 10 days before this hell ends.

I'm still calling every day.  Sending the occasional letter.  Begging.

What do you include inyour usual letter?? 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 09, 2005, 10:41:14 PM
So who out there is still staying on the wait list? It seems like few considering how quiet this thread has become.

Wait list closes on the 19th. 10 days before this hell ends.

I'm still calling every day.  Sending the occasional letter.  Begging.

What do you include inyour usual letter?? 

At this point, it's mostly just affirmations of interest.  I went in for an interview with Sarah Levy.  She told me to just continue showing interest.  Carrie - an admissions clerk - told me to call every day.  So essentially, I've sent in all sorts of different stuff seeking to sell my candidacy:  one letter covered academic and career diversity, another was a semi-humorous top ten list of reasons for wanting to attend Cornell (number 7 - lots of fresh produce available), another recapped my accomplishments since initially being deferred (32 credits of A's, NYS Assembly internship, original research paper on blogging, another LOR, etc), another letter laid out a case for looking fondly at my special instance of diversity - aside from being non-trad student, I grew up in foster homes, was adopted at 10 and lived on my own from the time I was 16.  overcoming obstacles type of stuff...

not too sound too discouraged (you never know who is reading), but I talked to Sarah recently on the phone.  She pretty much told me to get on with my life - not to expect much from Cornell.  I've tried not to read too much between the lines. 

It's funny.  I feel like a 6 year old kid that was told at school that Santa is a fake.  Desperately wanting the news to be false, this year I've decided to wait up, standing and looking out the window for Santa Claus to come land on my roof.  I keep seeing red lights in the sky that could be Rudolph's nose, but the ones that come in my direction turn out to be only airplanes. 

My conversation with Sarah = news from kid at school.
waiting up = my maniacal attachment to my cell phone
red lights = every time my cell phone rings
airplanes = all the calls that aren't from Cornell.

For a laugh, here's the text of my last email to the admissions office:

<quote>
Hi Carrie and Sarah,

I suppose that by now, I've added enough "extra" to my file, so please don't feel you need to add this communication.  I'd prefer to not be the guy that is memorialized in admissions lore as the one that gave Carrie a hernia...

I do, however, wish to continue expressing my readiness and, dare I say, desperateness, to join the fall class.  If there is any way you folks can manage it, I would definately prefer to continue my education without interruption.  I really don't want to take a year off - I'm just too old for that.   Besides, as you know very well, Cornell is my first choice of all law schools.  Lottery winners, young lovers - even the happiest of clams - should know half the joy I'd feel if invited to join the Cornell Law School Class of 2008.   In addition, there'd be a bright side for y'all in admissions if I were to be offered a seat:  I won't be bugging you again next year…

My gosh, I hope I'm not digging a deeper hole with the lame jokes.   But jeez, if I'm going to flame out, we all might as well be smiling about it, no? 

So anyway, I'd love to see you folks around campus for the next three years.   My bags are packed, my dog is running around in excited circles near the door and my wife and daughter are rooting for me with every fiber of their being… 

Here's to hoping for the best,

Mike

</quote>



   
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: unicorngt1983 on August 10, 2005, 12:01:48 AM
I don't really know much about this whole law school process, I just put together a nice packet with a recommendation letter, updated resume, transcript, and continued interest letter and left it at that.  By contacting them constantly it sounds almost stalkerish. But again I don't know much so maybe they like it. They should realize at this point that you want to be there. It is totally out of those poor people in the office's control and there is not much more they can do for you.  I work for another university (not in admissions or the law school or anything like that) but when people follow up repeatedly I get pretty pissed and want to help them even less. But then again I don't think I want to go to Cornell as bad as you.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 10, 2005, 06:43:42 AM
Wow, Nontrad, that's a pretty hardcore effort. Out of curiousity, what are you going to do if you don't get in? Are you going somewhere else?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 10, 2005, 08:41:22 AM
I don't really know much about this whole law school process, I just put together a nice packet with a recommendation letter, updated resume, transcript, and continued interest letter and left it at that.  By contacting them constantly it sounds almost stalkerish. But again I don't know much so maybe they like it. They should realize at this point that you want to be there. It is totally out of those poor people in the office's control and there is not much more they can do for you.  I work for another university (not in admissions or the law school or anything like that) but when people follow up repeatedly I get pretty pissed and want to help them even less. But then again I don't think I want to go to Cornell as bad as you.

Generally, I agree with you.  If I wasn't specifically told otherwise, by two different people in admissions (and officer and a clerk), well, then I certainly would not be so aggressive.  But...  I'm doing exactly a they asked.  Can't do much more than that.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 10, 2005, 08:55:06 AM
Wow, Nontrad, that's a pretty hardcore effort. Out of curiousity, what are you going to do if you don't get in? Are you going somewhere else?

Nope - Cornell was my last chance.  If I don't get in, I'll be Mr. Mom for a year - my newborn girl and first child was just born a week ago.  I'll take a real estate course and sell houses for a year.

I'm going to make one last ditch effort at getting into Cornell though.  Gonna send a hand-written note to Granison, Geiger and Levy today.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 10, 2005, 09:06:48 AM
Wow, Nontrad, that's a pretty hardcore effort. Out of curiousity, what are you going to do if you don't get in? Are you going somewhere else?

Nope - Cornell was my last chance.  If I don't get in, I'll be Mr. Mom for a year - my newborn girl and first child was just born a week ago.  I'll take a real estate course and sell houses for a year.

I'm going to make one last ditch effort at getting into Cornell though.  Gonna send a hand-written note to Granison, Geiger and Levy today.

Well let us know if it works out.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: GoHuskies05 on August 10, 2005, 12:12:18 PM
I'm curious why people in the Admissions Office continue to say they have gone to the WL?  I have heard of no one getting in from the WL.  I realize the fact that I haven't heard of anything doesn't mean they haven't gone to the WL, but it just seems weird that we've heard nothing. 

NonTrad, that is a really good effort.  I thought I was putting out a good effort, but it is nothing compared to you.  Good luck.....you deserve it.  Where do you live right now, and how are you going to move your family to Ithaca so quickly?

Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 10, 2005, 08:10:24 PM
I'm curious why people in the Admissions Office continue to say they have gone to the WL?  I have heard of no one getting in from the WL.  I realize the fact that I haven't heard of anything doesn't mean they haven't gone to the WL, but it just seems weird that we've heard nothing. 

NonTrad, that is a really good effort.  I thought I was putting out a good effort, but it is nothing compared to you.  Good luck.....you deserve it.  Where do you live right now, and how are you going to move your family to Ithaca so quickly?

Sarah Levy confirmed to me that there have been offers made to waitlisted people.  The idea that we haven't heard of anything on this discussion board does not surprise me in the least.  The waitlist was "hundreds" of candidates long.  Probably fewer than 10 people consistently post to this thread.  I myself had been lurking and watching for the better part of the last three months.  Just didn't have much to say.  Moreover, I doubt that more than 30 people that are ont he waitlist are even lurking here. So it doesn't surprise me at all that there has been movement and nobody posted their good news.

Deserve, shmenerve...  I'm not sure if it's a numbers game or if one of my letters was too over the top (I asked them when considering diversity to ask themselves how many students they had in their class that grew up in foster homes.  I've never been sure of how to approach the Ivies, and I've never been comfortable using "difficult youth" as a lever to pry open opportunities, but I fear that that question might have offended their sensibilities.

Ya know, I've never felt anyone "deserves" admission to the Ivy leagues.  It is definately a blessing that only a lucky few get.  But that's what bugs me so much about being shut out.  I've worked my ass off to get to the point where I have a shot at vaulting to the next level.  Sarah has told me that they have no doubt that I'd be successful at Cornell...  I've really done everything I can do to get in since initially being deferred in 2004 - I'm really not sure of what else I can do.  Ugh.  The law school admissions process sucks.

Anyway, I live in Albany, New York.  My wife is a psychitry resident that wants to do a Child and Adolescent Fellowship at Syracuse Hospital.  We'd move in a heart-beat.  The first 6 months would be tough because she wouldn't be able to begin the fellowship until March of '06, but it'd still be worth it because we'd be together for the next two and 1/2 years - and the rest of our lives.  Her fellowship would conclude at the same time I'd graduate LS - May '08...  So yeah, admission to Cornell would mean the world to me.

I'm praying.

Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ElastaGirl on August 10, 2005, 08:45:15 PM
But orientation is the 19th as people have said, there is little chance they would take anyone past that date. And why would anyone even want to come after that anyway?


Why do you think it's the 19th? It seems that Orientation starts on the 23rd.
http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admissions/2005_orientationschedule.htm
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: klarkkunning on August 11, 2005, 10:43:03 AM
Nontrad, your situation is very interesting to me.  I am also an "older" applicant at 35 who has a family.  What baffles me, though, is why you only applied to three law schools in the end (assuming that your LSN profile is accurate).  I see that you have a great LSAT score, but even with that, the field for spots in your three schools is fiercely competitive.  And there are a lot of fantastic law schools that aren't Harvard or Penn.  Clearly, my approach was quite opposite of yours -- apply broadly and ensure that I have some choices all up and down the line in geography, size, specialty, and prestige.  I figured that at my age I needed to get in a couple good places and make the most informed decision for myself financially and career-wise.  If I were 25, I might have said, "screw it, I'm going to an Ivy or I'm not going!"  But to me, I am much more interested in becoming a practicing attorney than in landing a spot at the most prestigious school.  I'm posting out of curiosity mostly and you have no obligation to reply of course.  But why just three Ivies?  Do you want to be a law school prof or follow some other career path where the Ivy name will boost you so much further so much faster than a Boston College could take you (to name a great school in a city where you applied to a school)?  Good luck with Cornell at any rate.  I'd love to hear your strategy for the bigger picture of law school, though.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 11, 2005, 01:36:09 PM
Nontrad, your situation is very interesting to me.  I am also an "older" applicant at 35 who has a family.  What baffles me, though, is why you only applied to three law schools in the end (assuming that your LSN profile is accurate).  I see that you have a great LSAT score, but even with that, the field for spots in your three schools is fiercely competitive.  And there are a lot of fantastic law schools that aren't Harvard or Penn.  Clearly, my approach was quite opposite of yours -- apply broadly and ensure that I have some choices all up and down the line in geography, size, specialty, and prestige.  I figured that at my age I needed to get in a couple good places and make the most informed decision for myself financially and career-wise.  If I were 25, I might have said, "screw it, I'm going to an Ivy or I'm not going!"  But to me, I am much more interested in becoming a practicing attorney than in landing a spot at the most prestigious school.  I'm posting out of curiosity mostly and you have no obligation to reply of course.  But why just three Ivies?  Do you want to be a law school prof or follow some other career path where the Ivy name will boost you so much further so much faster than a Boston College could take you (to name a great school in a city where you applied to a school)?  Good luck with Cornell at any rate.  I'd love to hear your strategy for the bigger picture of law school, though.

At the time I applied, I knew my wife was pregnant and that I would be a father in early August.  I also knew tht my wife wanted to do a fellowship.  Looking at the geography of hospitals that offer the fellowship and also happen to be close to decent law schools, we came up with those three  (neither of us ever want to live in NYC again).  I excluded BU, BC, Syracuse and Temple because my wife and I agreed that only a top-tier school is worth paying for day-care and giving up the opportunity to be a full-time dad.

Why?

Becaue I want to do public interest law.  Sure, the top tier name won't get me any increased paycheck, and it won't be a lot of help immediately out of law school...  but the rolodex will help in 10-15 years.

Am I having second thoughts?  Not really.  I am extraordinarily disappointed that I haven't gained entry into any of the schools to which I applied.  It would have been nice to get started,  I'm especially disappointed in the Cornell result.  Once I was deferred, I really thought that by doing everything right, I'd get in.  And they work out perfectly with our family's plans...  even so, I'm hesitant in complaining.  How can one bellyache about staying home with the new baby for a year?  The closing of one opportuniy leads to the opening of another...
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 11, 2005, 04:38:09 PM
You've given up then?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 11, 2005, 06:41:46 PM
You've given up then?

of course not!  I'm in till the end.  But I don't a have a good feeling.

BTW - today I asked Carrie when they last made offers.  she hesitantly said that she thought last week.  take it for what it's worth.

also - I'm interested in knowing:  how many of y'all went for the in-person interview?  who did you interview with?  what was your experience?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: GoHuskies05 on August 12, 2005, 08:07:03 AM
NTMike,

I went for an interview.  The interview went very well, until Sarah Levy gave me the impression that I wasn't going to get off the WL.  I basically gave up after the interview, and figured the only way I was getting in would be a very late withdrawal. 

One question, Mike: are your grades a 3.1 or a 3.5?  That will make a huge difference if you end up applying next year.  Congrats on the new baby. 

Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 12, 2005, 08:12:24 AM
NTMike,

I went for an interview.  The interview went very well, until Sarah Levy gave me the impression that I wasn't going to get off the WL.  I basically gave up after the interview, and figured the only way I was getting in would be a very late withdrawal. 

One question, Mike: are your grades a 3.1 or a 3.5?  That will make a huge difference if you end up applying next year.  Congrats on the new baby. 



sorry for the confusion...  my Degree GPA is 3.75...  my LSAC GPA (the one that matters, unfortunately) is a 3.13.  Yeah...  if I was at 3.5, I think I'da been in through the early decision...  ugh.  the follies of youth...
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: GoHuskies05 on August 12, 2005, 08:42:57 AM
How did everyone find out about the interview?  Were you guys called?  I actually called them, and they offerred me an interview.

No worries about the confusion, I was just confused how a 3.5/170 would ever be denied by Cornell.  I felt that was basically an auto admit, especially for someone with life experience.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 12, 2005, 08:49:32 AM
How do they determine your LSAC GPA? I thought they pretty much stayed the same as what it was at your school. Like I went up a small tick with mine.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 12, 2005, 01:03:45 PM
How do they determine your LSAC GPA? I thought they pretty much stayed the same as what it was at your school. Like I went up a small tick with mine.

Mine went up just a little bit because I had a D and they calculated that..but my A+s saved me.

LSAC does this weird stuff where A+ is 4.33 and A- is 3.66??  And repeats are both counted. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ElastaGirl on August 12, 2005, 10:58:48 PM
How did everyone find out about the interview?  Were you guys called?  I actually called them, and they offerred me an interview.

No worries about the confusion, I was just confused how a 3.5/170 would ever be denied by Cornell.  I felt that was basically an auto admit, especially for someone with life experience.

Cornell's Bulletin has a note about interviewing. I think it says that they do not usually conduct interviews, but will grant interviews to people on the waitlist.

I didn't interview though. Was it mostly an opportunity for you to ask questions or vice versa?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 12, 2005, 11:10:08 PM
How do they determine your LSAC GPA? I thought they pretty much stayed the same as what it was at your school. Like I went up a small tick with mine.

LSAC GPA counts every college level course you've taken before graduation.  So if you went to a community college for a coupla years (or more) and then transferred to another school and got your four year degree, then for LSAC GPA, it all counts... 

your Degree GPA only counts those courses taken at the degree granting institution - the GPA that shows up on your diploma.  That's why I've got a 3.75 degree GPA, but only a 3.13 LSAC gpa - I attended community college when I was young and spent more time playing hacky sack than I spent on homework (really - I ended up competing in regional tournaments)...  but I don't think that's the kind of thing they want to see on your extracurriculars...
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 12, 2005, 11:15:26 PM
How did everyone find out about the interview?  Were you guys called?  I actually called them, and they offerred me an interview.

No worries about the confusion, I was just confused how a 3.5/170 would ever be denied by Cornell.  I felt that was basically an auto admit, especially for someone with life experience.

Cornell's Bulletin has a note about interviewing. I think it says that they do not usually conduct interviews, but will grant interviews to people on the waitlist.

I didn't interview though. Was it mostly an opportunity for you to ask questions or vice versa?

My interview was incrdibly informal.  Sarah really tried to put me at ease by talking about celebrity gossip before we discussed Cornell.  Unfortunately, it's my wife that reads people magazine - I generally steer clear of that stuff...  so really I was more discomfited than anything else...  But as far as questions go, she only asked me one - What was your greatest accomplishment?  For me, the answer was easy - Marrying my wife.  Cheesy answer, I know, but it's true.  She's awesome.

She did get out of me that I took a Kaplan course to prepare for the LSAT and that I practiced logic problems like a mad man.  I kinda wish I hadn't told her that.  Maybe that was compensated for when I was able to drop the line about visiting their campus last year...  I dunno...  doesn't appear to have helped, anyway.

Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 13, 2005, 07:10:55 PM
I'm curious why people in the Admissions Office continue to say they have gone to the WL?  I have heard of no one getting in from the WL.  I realize the fact that I haven't heard of anything doesn't mean they haven't gone to the WL, but it just seems weird that we've heard nothing. 

NonTrad, that is a really good effort.  I thought I was putting out a good effort, but it is nothing compared to you.  Good luck.....you deserve it.  Where do you live right now, and how are you going to move your family to Ithaca so quickly?

Sarah Levy confirmed to me that there have been offers made to waitlisted people.  The idea that we haven't heard of anything on this discussion board does not surprise me in the least.  The waitlist was "hundreds" of candidates long.  Probably fewer than 10 people consistently post to this thread.  I myself had been lurking and watching for the better part of the last three months.  Just didn't have much to say.  Moreover, I doubt that more than 30 people that are ont he waitlist are even lurking here. So it doesn't surprise me at all that there has been movement and nobody posted their good news.

Deserve, shmenerve...  I'm not sure if it's a numbers game or if one of my letters was too over the top (I asked them when considering diversity to ask themselves how many students they had in their class that grew up in foster homes.  I've never been sure of how to approach the Ivies, and I've never been comfortable using "difficult youth" as a lever to pry open opportunities, but I fear that that question might have offended their sensibilities.

Ya know, I've never felt anyone "deserves" admission to the Ivy leagues.  It is definately a blessing that only a lucky few get.  But that's what bugs me so much about being shut out.  I've worked my ass off to get to the point where I have a shot at vaulting to the next level.  Sarah has told me that they have no doubt that I'd be successful at Cornell...  I've really done everything I can do to get in since initially being deferred in 2004 - I'm really not sure of what else I can do.  Ugh.  The law school admissions process sucks.

Anyway, I live in Albany, New York.  My wife is a psychitry resident that wants to do a Child and Adolescent Fellowship at Syracuse Hospital.  We'd move in a heart-beat.  The first 6 months would be tough because she wouldn't be able to begin the fellowship until March of '06, but it'd still be worth it because we'd be together for the next two and 1/2 years - and the rest of our lives.  Her fellowship would conclude at the same time I'd graduate LS - May '08...  So yeah, admission to Cornell would mean the world to me.

I'm praying.



Is is your LSAC calculated GPA 3.1???? while your school GPA is 3.7?? This is some unbelievable discrepancy.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 13, 2005, 09:25:48 PM
Is is your LSAC calculated GPA 3.1???? while your school GPA is 3.7?? This is some unbelievable discrepancy.

yeah - my GPA from community college was a 2.65 - and that covered about 95 credits of work.  The 64 credits I took at RPI gave me a GPA of 3.75, but it only brought the LSAC up to 3.13.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: hopefulandwaiting on August 16, 2005, 03:00:38 AM
I also went in for an interview... with Henry Granison.  I thought it went very well...it was pretty formal, but still relaxed.  He asked a lot of questions, and so did I.  I was a little worried that I replied in an I'm-nervous-because-this-is-so-important-to-me kinda way...but I hope not.  At any rate, I'm hoping and praying that a last minute miracle occurs...and I'm hanging in until the end too. =)  Good wishes and luck to everyone else still hoping for good news.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: happy1 on August 16, 2005, 03:24:17 AM
whoever is on this waitlist probably won't get in. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ElastaGirl on August 16, 2005, 11:09:30 AM
Any news from the admissions office?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: mari on August 16, 2005, 10:14:37 PM
Well, I withdrew from the class last week after being admitted off the waitlist at NYU, so that should be at least more spot open in the class. If anyone gets in off the waitlist here, by the way, I have a fabulous apartment in Ithaca for rent!

Myron Taylor Hall is wonderful and everyone at Cornell was so helpful and friendly. If it wasn't for family/location considerations, I would have been happy heading up to Ithaca next weekend.

Good luck to everyone in getting off the waitlist.

Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 17, 2005, 09:19:38 AM
mike, it won't help that your email to them has a half dozen horrific spelling errors and grammatical errors as well. 'desperateness'? do you mean 'desperation' ... and learn how to spell 'definitely' ... jesus. thanks for bumping the rest of us up a notch.



you might be right - even if you were pretty offensive for no good reason.

I called this morning - it looks like 3 people were offered seats today - all accepted.  In all, they've offered ten spots.

they are keeping the list open until orientation.  I'm gonna keep trying.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: GoHuskies05 on August 17, 2005, 11:30:44 AM
Mike,

they told you 3 people were offerred seats?  Where and from whom did you get the information?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 17, 2005, 11:38:55 AM
I hope that if any of those ten offers has gone to people on this board, that they would eventually share their good news.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ElastaGirl on August 17, 2005, 01:36:39 PM
Ten is a pretty big number! Could anyone else withdraw at this point? The other "T-14" WaitList posts have been pretty quiet lately.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 17, 2005, 01:40:18 PM
You never know but I am starting to come to terms with the fact that Cornell is not in the cards.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ElastaGirl on August 17, 2005, 01:43:22 PM
You never know but I am starting to come to terms with the fact that Cornell is not in the cards.

My goal is to stop reading this thread. But it's so tempting.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: xoxoboardimposter on August 17, 2005, 05:03:23 PM
I hope that if any of those ten offers has gone to people on this board, that they would eventually share their good news.

I heard from some people that Cornell is one of the schools that actively look at LSD. I think that might explain the lack of posters getting into the school. I am applying next year, so I don't know much myself.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 17, 2005, 05:28:23 PM
I hope that if any of those ten offers has gone to people on this board, that they would eventually share their good news.

I heard from some people that Cornell is one of the schools that actively look at LSD. I think that might explain the lack of posters getting into the school. I am applying next year, so I don't know much myself.

That sounds really really unrealistic.  they constantly look at LSD?  What does that mean?  the Dean of admissions and the director chats here??  They read people's post and try to see who is a good candidate?? 

Could you elaborate more on what you are trying to say?  Thank you.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: xoxoboardimposter on August 17, 2005, 06:33:27 PM
I hope that if any of those ten offers has gone to people on this board, that they would eventually share their good news.

I heard from some people that Cornell is one of the schools that actively look at LSD. I think that might explain the lack of posters getting into the school. I am applying next year, so I don't know much myself.

That sounds really really unrealistic.  they constantly look at LSD?  What does that mean?  the Dean of admissions and the director chats here??  They read people's post and try to see who is a good candidate?? 

Could you elaborate more on what you are trying to say?  Thank you.

I guess I am just assuming it based on what people have been saying with this whole BigTex controversy and stuff. People have been saying T14s do it. I dont know if Cornell does it anymore than others. I was probably jumping the gun.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 17, 2005, 07:05:27 PM
I hope that if any of those ten offers has gone to people on this board, that they would eventually share their good news.

I heard from some people that Cornell is one of the schools that actively look at LSD. I think that might explain the lack of posters getting into the school. I am applying next year, so I don't know much myself.

That sounds really really unrealistic.  they constantly look at LSD?  What does that mean?  the Dean of admissions and the director chats here??  They read people's post and try to see who is a good candidate?? 

Could you elaborate more on what you are trying to say?  Thank you.

I guess I am just assuming it based on what people have been saying with this whole BigTex controversy and stuff. People have been saying T14s do it. I dont know if Cornell does it anymore than others. I was probably jumping the gun.

Thanks but. I am still puzzled.  What is that they exactly do? 
It must be an UrbanLegend.  It sounds too crazy.

Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 17, 2005, 07:07:17 PM
So how many of you are gonna take the LSAT again?? 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 17, 2005, 11:42:56 PM
Mike,

they told you 3 people were offerred seats?  Where and from whom did you get the information?  Thanks.

Sure - I asked carrie today during my daily phone call.  carrie is a new admissions clerk - this is her first cycle.  Incredibly nice - and helpful - she's been there to take care of any questions I've had since the cycle began.

Anyway, I asked her if there had been any movement.  She told me there had been, but my status hadn't changed.  I followed up by asking her how much movement there was - she told me three offers were made.  Next, I asked how much movement there had been in total.  She told me "about ten" seats had been offered.  I thanked her and told her that I was still hanging on and I'd talk with her again tomorrow.  (She answers the phone at least seventy percent of the time).

Anyway...  I wish I was a fly on the wall in that office.  I'm dying to know what parts of my application have thusfar disqualified me.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: GoHuskies05 on August 18, 2005, 06:43:43 AM
Thanks for the good info, Mike.  You're always a big help. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 18, 2005, 08:12:43 AM
Anyway...  I wish I was a fly on the wall in that office.  I'm dying to know what parts of my application have thusfar disqualified me.

You and me both, you and me both.

I wish they were able to tell us at the end of this process what went wrong especially since we have waited so so long.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 18, 2005, 09:33:29 AM
Hey Mike, any word from Cornell today?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: canucker on August 18, 2005, 01:11:56 PM
Officially withdrawn as of today.  I hope that all who want to attend remain on the waitlist as Cornell is a fantastic school and the people were so nice to me throughout the entire process.  Good luck, and I hope someone here gets my spot.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 18, 2005, 02:02:15 PM
Officially withdrawn as of today.  I hope that all who want to attend remain on the waitlist as Cornell is a fantastic school and the people were so nice to me throughout the entire process.  Good luck, and I hope someone here gets my spot.

Thank you for letting us know, canucker. Best of luck this fall.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: lawstudent3 on August 18, 2005, 04:24:57 PM
I've been following this thread for a while and all I can say is that I hope this isn't me next year.  My heart goes out to you all!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 18, 2005, 04:59:31 PM
I've been following this thread for a while and all I can say is that I hope this isn't me next year.  My heart goes out to you all!

get 170 on OCT.  I think you will have a better chance.  Lots of people here had high 160's but not 170.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: lawstudent3 on August 18, 2005, 05:10:25 PM
I've been following this thread for a while and all I can say is that I hope this isn't me next year.  My heart goes out to you all!

get 170 on OCT.  I think you will have a better chance.  Lots of people here had high 160's but not 170.

That's the plan!  ;D
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 18, 2005, 05:15:34 PM
Getting over 170 didn't help me this time around.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 18, 2005, 05:18:10 PM
Getting over 170 didn't help me this time around.

well, I dunno what to say.. but throw you with the classic LSAT logical reasoning question:

What was your GPA?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 18, 2005, 06:11:12 PM
3.45 at top 20 UG
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 18, 2005, 07:44:05 PM
3.45 at top 20 UG

ic.  Berkeley?

I am pretty sure you know but dave here has 3.6.

Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 18, 2005, 08:27:53 PM
3.45 at top 20 UG
ic.  Berkeley?
I am pretty sure you know but dave here has 3.6.

I was not meaning to belittle Dave's chances or say anything about me deserving anything. I was just mentioning my situation because you said the people on the wait list had 160s and not 170s. My feeling is that there are just no assurances as far as getting into a particular school goes. If you look at LSN you will see a lot of strong numbers on the wait list for Cornell.

There are only a limited number of spots and some people have to be left out. It sucks, but that's the way it is. I am sorry that we all are in this position, hoping for a miracle in the last few days. I also wish everyone applying next year the best of luck. Daveman, the advice I would give to you is "measure twice, cut once." What I mean is that do your application right and do it early. When you are on the wait list you spend too much time wondering about the mistakes you made that might have put you over the top. Do 10 drafts of your personal statement, spend that extra time studying for your LSAT, get your applications in early and make sure that everything gets in on time. That way, even if you are put in our position you will at least be able to take heart in the fact that you did not leave anything on the table.





Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 18, 2005, 08:55:51 PM
Hey Mike, any word from Cornell today?

Only that there had been no movement.  I'll talk to them again tomorrow afternoon.  If there's any news, I'll post.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 18, 2005, 09:01:30 PM
Getting over 170 didn't help me this time around.

wow Bill - over 170 and a 3.45???  What was your major?  any arrests?

I had to explain away an arrest for DWI - I was in the passenger seat of my vehicle - had a designated driver.  Cops were just too aggrssive.  Down side:  I had a pot pipe in a bag in my trunk that they found.  I had forgotten it was there - it was years old!  Anyway, in order to satisfy my lousy public defender, I accepted a plea - I pled guilty for the pot pipe and the DWI was dropped.

I wonder if I should've done a better job of showing remorse for the arrest.  I dunno - I explained it awy as being one of those things I did when I was young and stupid.  It's over ten years ago now - close to fifteen.  I don't know how much they'd weigh it, but if we had a better idea of who else is on the waitlist and what their characteristics are...  well, maybe we'd be able to better figure out this cornell admissions process.

what schools are you in at?  what are your plans if Cornell passes you by?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: lawstudent3 on August 18, 2005, 09:08:54 PM
3.45 at top 20 UG
ic.  Berkeley?
I am pretty sure you know but dave here has 3.6.

I was not meaning to belittle Dave's chances or say anything about me deserving anything. I was just mentioning my situation because you said the people on the wait list had 160s and not 170s. My feeling is that there are just no assurances as far as getting into a particular school goes. If you look at LSN you will see a lot of strong numbers on the wait list for Cornell.

There are only a limited number of spots and some people have to be left out. It sucks, but that's the way it is. I am sorry that we all are in this position, hoping for a miracle in the last few days. I also wish everyone applying next year the best of luck. Daveman, the advice I would give to you is "measure twice, cut once." What I mean is that do your application right and do it early. When you are on the wait list you spend too much time wondering about the mistakes you made that might have put you over the top. Do 10 drafts of your personal statement, spend that extra time studying for your LSAT, get your applications in early and make sure that everything gets in on time. That way, even if you are put in our position you will at least be able to take heart in the fact that you did not leave anything on the table.

Thanks for the advice.  That's what I'm trying to do, for sure.  I'm hoping to have my app in as soon as my October score rolls in.  When did you have your app in?  I'm asking because there isn't much difference between 3.45 and 3.6.  Probably the difference of one LSAT point at best.  Best of luck on getting in off that wretched WL!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 18, 2005, 09:24:40 PM
Getting over 170 didn't help me this time around.

wow Bill - over 170 and a 3.45???  What was your major?  any arrests?

I had to explain away an arrest for DWI - I was in the passenger seat of my vehicle - had a designated driver.  Cops were just too aggrssive.  Down side:  I had a pot pipe in a bag in my trunk that they found.  I had forgotten it was there - it was years old!  Anyway, in order to satisfy my lousy public defender, I accepted a plea - I pled guilty for the pot pipe and the DWI was dropped.

I wonder if I should've done a better job of showing remorse for the arrest.  I dunno - I explained it awy as being one of those things I did when I was young and stupid.  It's over ten years ago now - close to fifteen.  I don't know how much they'd weigh it, but if we had a better idea of who else is on the waitlist and what their characteristics are...  well, maybe we'd be able to better figure out this cornell admissions process.

what schools are you in at?  what are your plans if Cornell passes you by?

I do not want to go too into my application in order to protect my anonymity, but I will be all right if Cornell does not work out. I have a decent alternative school that is okay.

So why didn't I get in? I don't know what did me in. Perhaps it was because...

My application was sent in towards the end of the cycle, so that probably did not help.

I think I just do not help make the class well-rounded. I am sure there were plenty of other white guys with strong LSATs but mediocre grades from the northeast.

Maybe I just did something wrong while on the wait list, say the wrong thing, give the wrong answer during the interview. Who knows.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: lawstudent3 on August 18, 2005, 09:29:42 PM
Bill, I'm sure you did nothing wrong with regard to the waitlist.  Fact is, not many get in off it, and there isn't a whole heck of a lot you can do to change that.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ElastaGirl on August 18, 2005, 09:55:31 PM
Bill, I'm sure you did nothing wrong with regard to the waitlist.  Fact is, not many get in off it, and there isn't a whole heck of a lot you can do to change that.

But doesn't it seem like a lot of people have been getting in off the waitlist? I thought they were going to make two or three offers -- much easier to justify than the ten that passed you by. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: lawstudent3 on August 18, 2005, 09:56:59 PM
Bill, I'm sure you did nothing wrong with regard to the waitlist.  Fact is, not many get in off it, and there isn't a whole heck of a lot you can do to change that.

But doesn't it seem like a lot of people have been getting in off the waitlist? I thought they were going to make two or three offers -- much easier to justify than the ten that passed you by. 

Ten isn't a lot when we're talking hundreds, though.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 19, 2005, 01:07:28 AM
Bill come on.  I don't want to be an ass but I said that because I kind of sensed that you miss understood me.

Quote
I was just mentioning my situation because you said the people on the wait list had 160s and not 170s.

this is what you said that I said.

Now this is what I said:
Quote
get 170 on OCT.  I think you will have a better chance.  Lots of people here had high 160's but not 170.

and "here" meaning this "cornell waiting LSD" thread.
My statement does not exclude you nor Mike.

Look, I am not trying to be a smart ass but when you said "I got a 170"  I kind of suspected that you misread what I said. 
I was talking to Dave and was giving him advise that is unique for him.

Good luck.




Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 19, 2005, 01:18:51 AM
Mine was complete after the deadline. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 19, 2005, 01:21:35 AM
Bill, I'm sure you did nothing wrong with regard to the waitlist.  Fact is, not many get in off it, and there isn't a whole heck of a lot you can do to change that.

But doesn't it seem like a lot of people have been getting in off the waitlist? I thought they were going to make two or three offers -- much easier to justify than the ten that passed you by. 

Yeah, 10 isn't anything.  Cornell has 200 seats.  10 is 5% of 200.  I though even 10% sounded reasonable.  But its better than nothing.  2 or 3 sounds little bit conservative. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 19, 2005, 07:26:53 AM
I gotta think that they have given away canucker's seat by now.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ElastaGirl on August 19, 2005, 08:25:04 AM
It took them a couple of weeks to fill up those 3 spots, so maybe not yet? Although it is getting closer to orientation...
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 19, 2005, 03:25:35 PM
Well, having nothing to do today, I kept on coming back to this thread. It is Friday, and no more movement. If people were going to notify them that they were not coming they would have done so already. Best bet is orientation has a no show.

Can you guys really show up in time at that point? It seems clear that this ship has sailed and that I at least need to move on.

Good luck to the rest of you.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: xoxoboardimposter on August 20, 2005, 11:27:56 AM
Funny, I remember this thread being a longer length earlier, like 11 pages?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: lawstudent3 on August 20, 2005, 01:07:31 PM
Funny, I remember this thread being a longer length earlier, like 11 pages?

Yes, you're right, and I was wondering the same thing.  Weird!
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: bummedapplicant on August 20, 2005, 05:08:08 PM
I have been lurking on this thread for awhile as I am in on this wait list as well. I thought I had real strong numbers and for awhile the staff was very positive to me. Now they seem kind of quiet and have stopped being on a first name basis with me on email.

I graduated from Cornell a year or so ago. Do you think they penalized me for that? I had a 3.5 score for Cornell according to LSN which I thought would give me a good shot. I thought things would work out once I was put on the reserve list, but I guess it was not meant to be.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 21, 2005, 08:35:37 AM
Hmm... does his absence mean that NontradMike's dream finally came true?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: ElastaGirl on August 21, 2005, 09:22:03 AM
ha! I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 21, 2005, 09:23:59 AM
It would be nice if he would share it soon so we would at least be able to wish him well.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 21, 2005, 09:46:01 AM
Hmm... does his absence mean that NontradMike's dream finally came true?

ha. 

if I got in, I'd let y'all know - unless, for some reason, they asked me not to tell...

but c'mon...  we've got till the 24th, I guess - at least we'll know for sure one way or another then...

by the way, LSC has a new admissions chances calculator on their site.  Stanford and one other school decidd not to participate, but it's really good.  for folks w/a GPA on the low side and decent LSAT, it looks like Cornell is pretty unforgiving...  but we already know that, no?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 21, 2005, 09:50:11 AM
Hey Mike,

Did you end up finding out if they had offered any more spots lately?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 21, 2005, 06:04:09 PM
Hey Mike,

Did you end up finding out if they had offered any more spots lately?

when I called on friday, carrie said that they hadn't moved the list yet
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: billmcbain on August 22, 2005, 09:01:38 AM
Any word today? Thanks...
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: canucker on August 22, 2005, 10:03:59 AM
Hey Bill,

get my msg?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 22, 2005, 10:33:18 AM
Any word today? Thanks...

no action - no movement yet
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: bummedapplicant on August 22, 2005, 03:56:44 PM
I got an offer today and have accepted it. I am sorry that thing haven't so far worked out for all you other folks, I wish all of you could have gotten in. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: lawstudent3 on August 22, 2005, 04:00:01 PM
I got an offer today and have accepted it. I am sorry that thing haven't so far worked out for all you other folks, I wish all of you could have gotten in. 

Wow, congrats!  You better change your moniker, now. :D
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: The Truth on August 22, 2005, 06:14:07 PM
Bummedapplicant,

just confirming your two posts which lead to: you accepted an offer to Cornell and just withdrew from Michigan, it that true?

[Note: I am in no way questioning why as personal reasons/ your preference is all that matters (it did in my process), just wanted to see if that was correct]

EDIT: Oh, and Congrats!

I got an offer today and have accepted it. I am sorry that thing haven't so far worked out for all you other folks, I wish all of you could have gotten in. 
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: FinerWoman on August 22, 2005, 09:35:05 PM
Bummedapplicant,
Congrats!  Hopefully you are a fast packer.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: jkang2 on August 23, 2005, 09:52:22 AM
I got an offer today and have accepted it. I am sorry that thing haven't so far worked out for all you other folks, I wish all of you could have gotten in. 

What was your LSAT/GPA ??
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: gamaya on August 24, 2005, 11:10:26 AM
FYI- At orientation yesterday the Dean mentioned that one kid didn't show up.  Maybe that means someone's getting a call today?
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 24, 2005, 04:00:58 PM
wow.  10 months of waiting.

that sucked...  I mean really sucked.  No, really...  it did.

congrats to all that got in.  hope everything's great.  If I ever hear you complain about Ithaca though...  well, I'll try not to rip your tongue out through your bellybutton, but I can't make any promises.  ya bastards.   ;) 

so what am I gonna do?  well, I guess I've got some applications to work on.  :-\
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: lawstudent3 on August 24, 2005, 04:18:40 PM
Sorry it didn't work out for you, Mike.  Best of luck on whatever you decide to do next.  Cornell is *not* the only school in the world, remember that.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: NontradMike on August 24, 2005, 07:18:07 PM
Sorry it didn't work out for you, Mike.  Best of luck on whatever you decide to do next.  Cornell is *not* the only school in the world, remember that.

so ya taking a year off - or ya applying as a transfer?

i am really not half as disappointed as I would have been three weeks ago.  My baby girl, Antigone, was born then.  So now I get to stay home with her...  work as a ral estate agent, make some dough...  should be fun.
Title: Re: Cornell Summer Wait list.
Post by: lawstudent3 on August 24, 2005, 08:20:25 PM
Sorry it didn't work out for you, Mike.  Best of luck on whatever you decide to do next.  Cornell is *not* the only school in the world, remember that.

so ya taking a year off - or ya applying as a transfer?

i am really not half as disappointed as I would have been three weeks ago.  My baby girl, Antigone, was born then.  So now I get to stay home with her...  work as a ral estate agent, make some dough...  should be fun.

Cool -- congrats on the baby.

As for me, neither.  I'm applying for the first time this fall and I'm retaking in October.  Should be fun!