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Title: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 09, 2005, 04:28:03 PM
yeah stop with the stereotypes  >:(


Me either. He looks like an Alpha to me (let me stop with the stereotypes LOL). Regardless I think he's very attractive hehehehe.


Title: Black Greeks
Post by: Muse on May 09, 2005, 05:59:00 PM
Omegaman no one can see your avatar. Why won't you post it. Or send the file to me and I'll post it. Geez.
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: Omegaman on May 09, 2005, 06:28:06 PM
Omegaman no one can see your avatar. Why won't you post it. Or send the file to me and I'll post it. Geez.


Check your Pm Im on my way to New Orleans, but Ill see what I can do. Couldnt find a magnifying glass ;)
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: Muse on May 09, 2005, 07:04:35 PM
Yeah..some of the Omegas out here drool and like slapping girls with their penis.  >:(
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: Muse on May 09, 2005, 07:46:11 PM
Hmmm I was in so much shock b/c I never saw a penis before...and his looked rather big...........


::RUNS OUT OF THREAD::  :o
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 09, 2005, 07:55:43 PM
You are nuts...Muse

Omegaman, I am certainly not bashing Ques, I only really know one guy I can't stand and it has nothing to do with the letters. ;D  It's just their style of partying was far wilder than our style. We'd come to parties with dresses, suits and heels on and they would be in the same set with boots, dog collar, camoflague pants and no shirt. 
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 09, 2005, 07:56:25 PM
i knew a couple of ques that were there around your time from high school.. they had to pledge at least a yr after u though

Sounds like the ones at FAMU...in my entire time in my chapter undergrad, we never had a party with the Ques..Upsilon Psi...those are some wild boys...but they always had high grade point averages right up there with the APHIAs.
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 09, 2005, 08:47:27 PM
It's a good thing that blk is not silly enough to seriously date a Omega. I mean, the Q/Delta bond can only go so far. Yo!
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 09, 2005, 08:53:07 PM
 :-* .. i'm marrying a Morehouse Man that's a Nupe... how deadly

It's a good thing that blk is not silly enough to seriously date a Omega. I mean, the Q/Delta bond can only go so far. Yo!
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 09, 2005, 08:55:42 PM
Damn right you are. Hell, I would rather be a Sigma before going Q. Iota even.    

:-* .. i'm marrying a Morehouse Man that's a Nupe... how deadly

It's a good thing that blk is not silly enough to seriously date a Omega. I mean, the Q/Delta bond can only go so far. Yo!
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: Omegaman on May 09, 2005, 09:21:42 PM
Delta/Kappa glad to see soros finding a way to restart the talented tenth program:)
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: Statistic on May 09, 2005, 09:27:37 PM
another thread hijacked by sorority and fraternity stuff.  :(
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: Muse on May 09, 2005, 09:32:48 PM
So what should I marry? Hehehehe...

Aww don't be jealous RBG, there is always grad!
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: Statistic on May 09, 2005, 09:34:25 PM
So what should I marry? Hehehehe...

Aww don't be jealous RBG, there is always grad!

If I wanted to be a member of a cult, I'd go big and do it Charles Manson style.
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 09, 2005, 09:34:49 PM
oh hush.. u hijacked it yesterday with all of that football talk...

another thread hijacked by sorority and fraternity stuff.  :(
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: Statistic on May 09, 2005, 09:38:24 PM
RBG doesn't hijack threads; he moves the discussion onto other avenues.
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 09, 2005, 09:42:05 PM
 ::)

RBG doesn't hijack threads; he moves the discussion onto other avenues.
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: One Step Ahead on May 10, 2005, 03:15:28 AM
aww reign and HBCU are so cute.  where is our invitation? 
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: faith2005 on May 10, 2005, 07:37:39 AM
Me either. He looks like an Alpha to me (let me stop with the stereotypes LOL). Regardless I think he's very attractive hehehehe.

Let me go drink some water b/c I sound thirsty right now.   :P

good question regal. on another note, i looked at the nblsa website and i can't imagine that brother in the picture with the gavel and the glasses on topless in a dog collar, but thats just me. maybe y'all were talking about somebody else? :D

team is in those pictures im still working on trying to post. But just examine the avatar, I know ya"ll that are thirsty got the magnifying glass already ;) team is in the center

lol! ain't nobody that thirsty right regal? and those stories of ques at parties are hilarious. and i thought the one who bit my friend's hair was bad... :D
Title: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 07:43:07 AM
bit your friend's  hair??  :o do tell...
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: faith2005 on May 10, 2005, 08:00:15 AM
blk--i posted the story on the other thread. how did i become the original poster of the black greek thread. i'm not even in a sorority!  :D
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 08:07:49 AM
lol :D ..i split the topic to keep the spirit of the thread going..it is funny that your post is the first one though  :D
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 10, 2005, 08:11:22 AM
HBCU...good move at starting a thread....

I know sterotypes amongst greeks aren't necessarily valid, but I always had my heart set on marrying an APHIA man...now, I keep meeting freaking Nupes....grrrrr
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: faith2005 on May 10, 2005, 08:13:11 AM
bit your friend's  hair??  :o do tell...
i'll post it again over here.  :D

LOL! he was dancing with her, and it was all good, but she couldn't see him. he was behind her acting like he was spanking her with one hand, but he was slapping his own thighs, then he went to 2 hands and he looked a lil crazy. i was giving her the look, like, um he's wildin. then he whispered something to her and growled at her and bit some of her hair. she said, um, you can't do that. and he was like, oh and walked away. she told me that he said, your hair smells good, then he just bit into it. its not like he bit her, but still it was a lil wild for the atmosphere like elegantpearl said. i think it was an aka party.  :D 
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 08:17:01 AM
 :D how are things in your world today pearl?


HBCU...good move at starting a thread....

I know sterotypes amongst greeks aren't necessarily valid, but I always had my heart set on marrying an APHIA man...now, I keep meeting freaking Nupes....grrrrr
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 10, 2005, 08:22:22 AM
Welcome to BLSD elegant. It's good to have another HBCU representative on the board. I see you are from the south as well! The black greek thread was done by Blk_Reign by the way. We are co-mods of the board.

You were def. on point when you talked about HBCU students loving our bands more than our football team. LOL man that was funny. But, SU has a great football team so I finally get to go to an HBCU that has a great band and football club.

YOu seem like a smart girl...I think you should stick with the Nupes! Let Muse mess with those Alphas.  ;) Yo!    




"HBCU...good move at starting a thread....

I know sterotypes amongst greeks aren't necessarily valid, but I always had my heart set on marrying an APHIA man...now, I keep meeting freaking Nupes....grrrrr"
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: iwantin on May 10, 2005, 08:38:57 AM
It's who you know that'll get you into a grad chapter.  Then you can find out what you need to do from there. 
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 08:47:23 AM
Girl it isnt violating some code :D ... the price varies from chapter to chapter and oraganization to organization quite honestly so i can't really give you specifics on that.. but if you're active within the community in which you'll be living in (knowing your interests i know u will be) you will be bound to meet someone in the organization that you're interested in..

my best advice to you is to research the chapters in the areas that you're moving to.. see what programs they have going on and do some of the community service events with them..


Oh cool, a Black Greek thread.  I've thought about pledging a grad chapter for a while now.  How does that work exactly?  And doesn't that cost an arm and a leg?

Sorry if those questions violate some kind of special code...there were hardly any Black people at my school and no one in my family knows about this kind of stuff so my knowledge is limited.  I didn't really know  much about the sororities at all until my senior year of college and then I wound up going on foreign study during the pledging process. Anyone care to enlighten? :-*
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 10, 2005, 08:49:12 AM
It's who you know that'll get you into a grad chapter.  Then you can find out what you need to do from there. 

So you're saying I couldn't just go to my local grad chapter people and say, "Hey, I'm interested in pledging" like people do in undergrad? ??? I mean, I've gotten to know more people in Black Greek orgs over the past couple years but don't understand why I have to pull them into it...?



Mob- You can def. contact the grad chapter in your area and tell them that you are interested. I'ts as simple as that. They will want to get to know you and meet with you and perhaps do a few community service events with you and review your resume etc. Hell, any organization with a right mind will be happy to have you on board. The Nupes were not at Morehouse when I was a student there so I went grad chapter at Sacramento Alumni. I simple found their number on the internet...called them up...and met with all of the guys. You will be fine. Hell, I'm sure it will be expensive though. It cost me a grip man! Anyway, you will be fine. Just make the contact.
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 08:49:26 AM
that's hilarious


bit your friend's  hair??  :o do tell...
i'll post it again over here.  :D

LOL! he was dancing with her, and it was all good, but she couldn't see him. he was behind her acting like he was spanking her with one hand, but he was slapping his own thighs, then he went to 2 hands and he looked a lil crazy. i was giving her the look, like, um he's wildin. then he whispered something to her and growled at her and bit some of her hair. she said, um, you can't do that. and he was like, oh and walked away. she told me that he said, your hair smells good, then he just bit into it. its not like he bit her, but still it was a lil wild for the atmosphere like elegantpearl said. i think it was an aka party.  :D 
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: seu2002 on May 10, 2005, 08:51:43 AM
bit your friend's  hair??  :o do tell...
i'll post it again over here.  :D

LOL! he was dancing with her, and it was all good, but she couldn't see him. he was behind her acting like he was spanking her with one hand, but he was slapping his own thighs, then he went to 2 hands and he looked a lil crazy. i was giving her the look, like, um he's wildin. then he whispered something to her and growled at her and bit some of her hair. she said, um, you can't do that. and he was like, oh and walked away. she told me that he said, your hair smells good, then he just bit into it. its not like he bit her, but still it was a lil wild for the atmosphere like elegantpearl said. i think it was an aka party.  :D 


weird.
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 08:53:48 AM
are you active in a grad chapter?? the information that you've provided isn't true...


It's who you know that'll get you into a grad chapter.  Then you can find out what you need to do from there. 
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: faith2005 on May 10, 2005, 08:55:46 AM
seu, it wasn't like he was really slapping himself, just not hitting her, so she didn't know he was behind her actin crazy. i was in facing them so thats what it looked like to me.
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 10, 2005, 08:59:21 AM
It's who you know that'll get you into a grad chapter.  Then you can find out what you need to do from there. 

not true at all. It aint that deep. 
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: iwantin on May 10, 2005, 09:09:22 AM
I am going into a grad chapter from undergrad in the fall.  I do apologize if it seemed like I was generalizing, but my understanding of what my grad chapter does is that they need to be familiar with an interested candidate.  Simply calling and saying you're interested won't get you anywhere with them unless they meet with you.  (Maybe this is an exception, but that's how they work.)  They are willing to meet with interested people in order to get to the know them, but you have to put forth some effort.  It's a lot easier if you know one of the ladies in the chapter, say through attending the same church or working together. 

I would also add that this grad chapter that I am referring to has a LONG history (one of the first grad chapters in the state), is very active in the region, and has a lot of active members already.  I think it's a lot different with newer grad chapters or ones with low numbers.  The best thing to do is to investigate a little about the grad chapters in your city in order to see what's the best fit for you; different chapters operate differently.
Title: Re: Black Greeks
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 09:33:43 AM
 :D ... you haven't been in a grad chapter yet so you're going by the things that you've heard... if you had further explained what you meant (ie this post) then it would have been more accurate.. it's not just about who you know..the graduate chapter operates a lot different than undergrad.. you'll see in time..

I am going into a grad chapter from undergrad in the fall.  I do apologize if it seemed like I was generalizing, but my understanding of what my grad chapter does is that they need to be familiar with an interested candidate.  Simply calling and saying you're interested won't get you anywhere with them unless they meet with you.  (Maybe this is an exception, but that's how they work.)  They are willing to meet with interested people in order to get to the know them, but you have to put forth some effort.  It's a lot easier if you know one of the ladies in the chapter, say through attending the same church or working together. 

I would also add that this grad chapter that I am referring to has a LONG history (one of the first grad chapters in the state), is very active in the region, and has a lot of active members already.  I think it's a lot different with newer grad chapters or ones with low numbers.  The best thing to do is to investigate a little about the grad chapters in your city in order to see what's the best fit for you; different chapters operate differently.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 10, 2005, 09:48:54 AM
Well, my undergrad chapter worked extensively with the grad chapter in my city.  We were required to attend grad chapter meetings, have our grad advisors at all of our programs, as well as participate in programs sponsored by the grad chapter.  I know that in the past my chapter did not work with the grad chapter nearly as much as we do now.  So, I wouldn't say that I don't know how it operates.  I don't know how ALL grad chapters operate, but I am simply reflecting on my experiences with this particular chapter.   :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 10, 2005, 09:52:59 AM
Well, my undergrad chapter worked extensively with the grad chapter in my city.  We were required to attend grad chapter meetings, have our grad advisors at all of our programs, as well as participate in programs sponsored by the grad chapter.  I know that in the past my chapter did not work with the grad chapter nearly as much as we do now.  So, I wouldn't say that I don't know how it operates.  I don't know how ALL grad chapters operate, but I am simply reflecting on my experiences with this particular chapter.   :)

So, you are greek? What organization?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 10, 2005, 09:53:24 AM
Mob which organization are you interested? Before you approach any sort of grad chapter about joining, I would do some research first and learn that background of each organization. I would also be very cautious when using certain terminology like "pledging" since it has been outlawed by NPHC since 1990.  ;)

I know for my particular organization,joining grad is more difficult. You have to know someone and they have to vouch for you. Also ask yourself why do you want to join a particular organization and how you would add to it

Speaking of which, I need to pay my dues soon and find a grad chapter. I've been slacking on that.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 10, 2005, 09:59:26 AM
Mob which organization are you interested? Before you approach any sort of grad chapter about joining, I would do some research first and learn that background of each organization. I would also be very cautious when using certain terminology like "pledging" since it has been outlawed by NPHC since 1990.  ;)

I know for my particular organization,joining grad is more difficult. You have to know someone and they have to vouch for you. Also ask yourself why do you want to join a particular organization and how you would add to it

Speaking of which, I need to pay my dues soon and find a grad chapter. I've been slacking on that.

You think so muse? You think it's more difficult on the grad level to get in? I would think it's political as hell on the undergrad level. I have a friend that is a fuggin medical dr. in detroit and she got rejected from delta. So, perhaps there could be some truth to it. It may also depend on where you are. Perhaps it's more difficult in a big city that has a lot of greeks vs. a small town where they need more help building their chapter. You are right though, I would def. have mob do research on the chapter and it's operation.  
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 10, 2005, 10:02:25 AM
"HBCU--which HBCU did you attend??? SWAC?? MEAC??? let a sister know. It's good to be here for the most part...lol.."

I'm a Morehouse Man elegant. Our football team is for *&^%. You saw school daze. Spike Lee, another morehouse grad, mad that movie for a reason. SU in the fall though!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 10, 2005, 10:15:44 AM
You are right about that. They love their football and band! I think that's great coming from an HBCU like Morehouse you know. Hell, we never watched the game at "DA House". We were just messin around in the stands. But, you better believe that we were all into it when the band started to represent. SUs band is off the charts though. I've always watched their band as a kid. I was thinking about playing in their band when I was in highschool but that didn't work out. LOL yeah, I saw that old tired jaquar a few times. They def. need to put it away or something.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 10, 2005, 10:16:40 AM
You know there are a lot of "politics" involved in the undergrad chapters. I hate to say this but female are catty and will blackball a girl over something stupid. On my campus joining an organizatoin depended on who you know and if you were cool with everyone in the chapter. If someone in the chapter had issues with you, kiss your chances of joining good bye. Sucks but I've seen a lot of good people rejected over some BS.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 10, 2005, 10:20:40 AM
They removed the Jaguar's vocal chords so he wouldn't disturb folks in class. But the greeks there are soo brotherly/sisterly, depsite that MEAC v. SWAC rivalry thing. FAMU and SU stopped playing each other a few years ago, but I always enjoyed those games.

Politics is prevelant in graduate and undergrad. If think the old heads aren't political, get into a grad chapter and sit in on voting for officers/new members and see. Also grad chapters get real political when it comes to getting their relatives into the undergrad chapters they advise.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 10, 2005, 10:27:57 AM
The trend that I've notice is that UG chapters are starting to lose the rights to pick their own members. So if a chick's mom is part of the grad chapter she automatically gets in regardless of she's the campus skank and had her MOM did the application for her!  >:(

Sorry I'm venting
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 10, 2005, 10:42:34 AM
Muse...there is a great deal of truth to that statement.  Undergrads can't be "picky" anymore.  Sad, but true.  (I feel your pain.)

I am a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. (Pi Beta, Fall 03).  Pretty new to the entire game, but I've learned a LOT about how the organization functions on the grad and national level.  I agree with my soror, elegantpearl01, because I've seen a lot of politics play out on the graduate level.  I attended the National Conference last year and was amazed at how much of a "business" it is.  Because my grad chapter has a LONG history (a founding member and National President were past members), they use politics all the time, especially when voting is an issue.  Membership is by invitation.  That's why I said it's a matter of who you know.  Again, this varies between chapters, but this is my experience.  Research is a must. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 10, 2005, 11:06:50 AM
Dayum the AKAs are deep on this board. Perhaps Lavia needs to come back as to give blk_reign some support. :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 10, 2005, 01:33:06 PM


 I'm going to keep it real, there are some girls in my chapter who I didn't want but are in b/c of some BS. I know this is considered unsisterly but I straight up told them that I didn't want them in the chapter and they are going to have to work hard to prove themselves. I actually got into it with my grad advisor over the mess that went down this past spring. Grad only cared about numbers, which undermines quality at times. My views are if 100 girls show up to rush and only 5 of them are worthy of being in my organization then those are the five I want to take.

 Unfortunately if the undergrads don't get themselves together, they may be eliminated entirely. There has been a break down of communication between nationals, grad, and under grad chapters. I respect how grad chapters conduct business but it's just their handling of UG chapters that unnerves me. Getting into a grad chapters is not easy and I think the same should apply for UG chapters
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 01:34:25 PM
yeah yeah yeah ::)..i heard about lavia's reputation on this board.. .

I don't mind standing alone and holding it down for the Deltas..

Iwantin.. trust me I know about the political aspects of the organization on the graduate level.. I just left a graduate chapter in Washington DC after three yrs so I've definitely seen it all.. I just felt that it was better to respond with more detail considering the fact that Mobell already stated that she didn't know much about sororities and fraternities..


Dayum the AKAs are deep on this board. Perhaps Lavia needs to come back as to give blk_reign some support. :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 01:40:27 PM
One of the prevalent problems is that a lot of graduate advisors are older and there's nothing that they're willing to learn about the changes of time.. a lot of younger sorors are treated as children or grandchildren..






 Unfortunately if the undergrads don't get themselves together, they may be eliminated entirely. There has been a break down of communication between nationals, grad, and under grad chapters. I respect how grad chapters conduct business but it's just their handling of UG chapters that unnerves me. Getting into a grad chapters is not easy and I think the same should apply for UG chapters
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 10, 2005, 01:46:33 PM
It's difficult dealing with grad membersb/c they are my elders but sometimes they are on some other stuff...I'm very outspoken and I mentally have to check myself when I disagree with a plan of action they take.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 01:57:36 PM
i understand how you feel.. roberts rules works wonders...be sure to join a chapter with a good mix regarding age groups... you probably won't want to join the oldest chapter in the city that you'll reside in...


It's difficult dealing with grad membersb/c they are my elders but sometimes they are on some other stuff...I'm very outspoken and I mentally have to check myself when I disagree with a plan of action they take.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 02:35:37 PM
well mobell ;D hit me up on pm ;)


I'm actually interested in Delta.  A good friend of mine from UG was a Delta (they had to pledge off campus though) and in observing the 2-3 Deltas and 2-3 AKAs on my campus I liked what Delta stands for a little bit more.  That said, I probably don't know that much considering I have no idea what term you're supposed to use besides "pledge."

I don't think I'll have a problem getting active in the community and getting folks to vouch for me.  I get along with almost everyone even if they think I'm nerdy and cheesy :)  But if it's that catty, what makes it worthwhile?  I thought the sisterhood and looking out for each other and the Black community is what makes these groups special...why not be civil ???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 10, 2005, 02:40:39 PM
Well, go for it mobell.  :) But understand that along with sisterhood, the organization is a business as well.  Businesses don't always run smoothly and the same applies to any Black Greek Organization.  Anytime money is involved, you start dealing with some different issues. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 10, 2005, 02:44:15 PM
Mobell isn't cool anymore.  :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 10, 2005, 02:53:47 PM
Ha ha  :D Muse is funny.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 03:02:16 PM
Mobell is the greatest.. a woman after my own Delta heart ;D

Mobell isn't cool anymore.  :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on May 10, 2005, 03:24:12 PM
Mobell is the greatest.. a woman after my own Delta heart ;D

Mobell isn't cool anymore.  :P

::cough, cough::
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 10, 2005, 04:24:36 PM
 :D

Mobell is the greatest.. a woman after my own Delta heart ;D

Mobell isn't cool anymore.  :P

::cough, cough::
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on May 10, 2005, 08:03:27 PM
Kappa Gamma Beta in the house!  Just kidding. Carry on, y'all.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: comebackkid on May 11, 2005, 06:28:04 AM
It's nice to see a Black Greek thread alive....Member of Kappa Alpha Psi - Lambda Nu Chapter (Stanford University).
It is okay to do grad chapter but it depends on your intentions.  If you want to kick it like an undergrad, you may not be accepted everywhere you go.  However, if you want to be active in your community and network, then go for it.

BTW - Elegant Pearl - Consider it a blessing to meet so many Nupes - We run the world or at least that's what we think ;)

 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 08:37:18 AM
Comebackkid- Good to see a Nupe from the western province. Sac Alumni '03. I'm also a charter member of Roseville (CA) Alumni '05. (dap) 


It's nice to see a Black Greek thread alive....Member of Kappa Alpha Psi - Lambda Nu Chapter (Stanford University).
It is okay to do grad chapter but it depends on your intentions.  If you want to kick it like an undergrad, you may not be accepted everywhere you go.  However, if you want to be active in your community and network, then go for it.

BTW - Elegant Pearl - Consider it a blessing to meet so many Nupes - We run the world or at least that's what we think ;)

 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 11, 2005, 08:47:57 AM
well isn't that special :D now if we could have some other ladies of crimson and cream on here..

disclaimer: the lavia jokes are played so save it... >:(
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Julie Fern on May 11, 2005, 08:56:25 AM
do most black greeks live in inner city of athens?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 09:02:44 AM
do most black greeks live in inner city of athens?

WTF!? See, that's why I don't trust a lot of white people. You hang out with them and out of the blue they come out with some racist sh*t like this. You have been posting to this board for a while now Julie and I really thought you were cool. This post was def. out of line and you are not welcome on BlSD anymore. You are officially a troll and I will delete your post. Get the F-ck out!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Julie Fern on May 11, 2005, 09:09:40 AM
racist how?  certainly not intended.

and, in any case, you not tell julie where can go.  get grip on self.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 09:12:19 AM
racist how?  certainly not intended.

and, in any case, you not tell julie where can go.  get grip lon self.

I'm very serious julie. You don't need to post your racist "inner city" redneck talk here. You are a troll and you are not welcome. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Julie Fern on May 11, 2005, 09:14:05 AM
julie not ask your permission, nor need to, and there nothing racist about her joke.  you "king" of nothing.  again:  get grip on self.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 09:17:31 AM
julie not ask your permission, nor need to, and there nothing racist about her joke.  you "king" of nothing.  again:  get grip on self.

We really have something good with this board and we don't need racist bull from you or anybody else. So, with that said if you feel the need to talk that hitler *&^% make sure you do it on the hate board. I will delete every post that you make on this board. know that. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 09:18:02 AM
HBCU, I think you're taking her comment to mean "do most Black Greeks, ie. black fraternity members, live in the inner city of Athens (figuratively)." She's asking about Black people from Greece and where they live.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Julie Fern on May 11, 2005, 09:20:43 AM
julie not ask your permission, nor need to, and there nothing racist about her joke.  you "king" of nothing.  again:  get grip on self.

We really have something good with this board and we don't need racist bull from you or anybody else. So, with that said if you feel the need to talk that hitler sh*t make sure you do it on the hate board. I will delete every post that you make on this board. know that.

neither your name-calling nor your power trip will accomplish anything here whatsoever.  delete whatever you want, because you can't stop anyone from posting here--and you should know that.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on May 11, 2005, 09:22:46 AM
unreads.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 09:23:07 AM
HBCU, I think you're taking her comment to mean "do most Black Greeks, ie. black fraternity members, live in the inner city of Athens (figuratively)." She's asking about Black people from Greece and where they live.

RBG, I follow. I know what she is talking about (figuratively) and it's still some racist *&^%. Inner city? Come on now...she is a racist female dog. Like she said RBG it was a joke. A racist joke and it was bad. There was no need for it.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Julie Fern on May 11, 2005, 09:24:34 AM
HBCU, I think you're taking her comment to mean "do most Black Greeks, ie. black fraternity members, live in the inner city of Athens (figuratively)." She's asking about Black people from Greece and where they live.

basically;  just double-play on "black greeks."  in america, blacks tend to be in large cities just like whites tend to be rural or suburban.  so what we down to, inner city?  that certainly not meant to be offensive, and it certainly not call for being liked to nazi.  (what should julie call that?)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Julie Fern on May 11, 2005, 09:26:45 AM
HBCU, I think you're taking her comment to mean "do most Black Greeks, ie. black fraternity members, live in the inner city of Athens (figuratively)." She's asking about Black people from Greece and where they live.

RBG, I follow. I know what she is talking about (figuratively) and it's still some racist sh*t. Inner city? Come on now...she is a racist female dog. Like she said RBG it was a joke. A racist joke and it was bad. There was no need for it.

call all names you want, that not make it true.  and you will not silence julie.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 09:27:12 AM
You know what. You are right julie. Go ahead and post your racist *&^% to blsd. I would much rather hvae the black people on this board know who you are. I woudln't want to delete it because they may think they have a friend in you. post away.


julie not ask your permission, nor need to, and there nothing racist about her joke.  you "king" of nothing.  again:  get grip on self.

We really have something good with this board and we don't need racist bull from you or anybody else. So, with that said if you feel the need to talk that hitler sh*t make sure you do it on the hate board. I will delete every post that you make on this board. know that.

neither your name-calling nor your power trip will accomplish anything here whatsoever.  delete whatever you want, because you can't stop anyone from posting here--and you should know that.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Julie Fern on May 11, 2005, 09:36:20 AM
You know what. You are right julie. Go ahead and post your racist sh*t to blsd. I would much rather hvae the black people on this board know who you are. I woudln't want to delete it because they may think they have a friend in you. post away.

thank you for nothing, as julie will post here with or without your permission.

julie has read plenty of comments on this board, including from you, that she would never consider making. if you believe julie's joke reflects insentitivity, then you should've said how that so and julie would've listened;  she still will.

instead, you choose to call her such names as racist and--what was it?-- hitler-like and threaten to censor her.  now that some sensitive and thoughtful discourse!

it always easy to jump on single thing someone says.  you not know nearly as much about people as you seem to think.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 09:45:11 AM
So, let me see if I understand. You are racist and you can't read? Did I not say tha you could continue to post to blsd? If I wanted to delete every post you have ever made to this board I could. But, AGAIN. LIKE I SAID BEFORE YOU RACIST TROLL....I WANT EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE SO CONTINUE TO POST JULE.... 

You can try to turn this around and put the focus on me but the fact of the matter is that YOU are a racist. So, you don't see how wrong it is to ask if a group of blacks are from the inner city? Why don't you just ask if we all played for the NBA before going to law school? Oh, why not ask if we all run fast, dance, eat chicken, and grew up in single family homes? You are racist and you don't even know it.   



You know what. You are right julie. Go ahead and post your racist sh*t to blsd. I would much rather hvae the black people on this board know who you are. I woudln't want to delete it because they may think they have a friend in you. post away.

thank you for nothing, as julie will post here with or without your permission.

julie has read plenty of comments on this board, including from you, that she would never consider making. if you believe julie's joke reflects insentitivity, then you should've said how that so and julie would've listened;  she still will.

instead, you choose to call her such names as racist and--what was it?-- hitler-like and threaten to censor her.  now that some sensitive and thoughtful discourse!

it always easy to jump on single thing someone says.  you not know nearly as much about people as you seem to think.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Julie Fern on May 11, 2005, 10:10:01 AM
So, let me see if I understand. You are racist and you can't read? Did I not say tha you could continue to post to blsd? If I wanted to delete every post you have ever made to this board I could. But, AGAIN. LIKE I SAID BEFORE YOU RACIST TROLL....I WANT EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE SO CONTINUE TO POST JULE....

You can try to turn this around and put the focus on me but the fact of the matter is that YOU are a racist. So, you don't see how wrong it is to ask if a group of blacks are from the inner city? Why don't you just ask if we all played for the NBA before going to law school? Oh, why not ask if we all run fast, dance, eat chicken, and grew up in single family homes? You are racist and you don't even know it.   

again, you may or may not have power to delete, but julie will post here regardless.  you often on power trip with this stuff, julie notice, but julie guarantee you it not work with her.  neither will continuing to call her vile names or otherwise insult her. deal with it.

julie glad to know that you sole arbiter of what or who is "racist."  (that very handy arrangement, by way, as it apparently allows you to say anything whatsoever.)  but even though you show no signs of calming down, julie will talk to you respectfully anyway.
 
so if julie asked whether "black greeks" (of which there presumably are very, very few in greece--which was her joking point, however made), lived in "athens" rather than "inner city of athens," would that still strike you as inappropriate?  and if julie were to amend her joking query to "athens" because it make joke quite as well as other version, would you accept that as honest attempt on julie's part to not be racially insensitive?  and can you accept julie's repeated statement that no offense intended?  (don't racists usually, if not always, intend to be offensive?)

finally:  do you make distinction between someone who's truly racist and someone who, despite best of intentions, says something that, in hindsight, could've been put better?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 11, 2005, 10:28:22 AM
Wow...so much drama.  I didn't like the comment either (although I will admit that I didn't understand what she was trying to get at).  :-\

I still love Black Greeks...especially the Phirst Pham!   ::) ;D

Skee-wee!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Julie Fern on May 11, 2005, 10:35:51 AM
some of julie's jokes land better than others.  her sincere apologies for any offense.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 10:36:24 AM
i didnt think the comment was racist.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 11, 2005, 10:41:15 AM
Morning folks!   ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 11, 2005, 10:49:20 AM
afternoon!! perhaps those posts should be moved to the racist thread?  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on May 11, 2005, 11:00:20 AM
i didnt think the comment was racist.

I didn't think so either.  I got the play on words.  It was not in the best taste, but I don't know about racist.  Just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 11:10:41 AM
BP- This is just an example. So, let's say you go on a law school interview and the white dude that is interviewing you says: --"so, where are you from?"--- Bp: "NY" -- white dude: "Oh, so, you are from the innercity?"

You are telling me that you don't think that's some screwed up racist *&^%? Come on man...bp!   

i didnt think the comment was racist.

I didn't think so either.  I got the play on words.  It was not in the best taste, but I don't know about racist.  Just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 11, 2005, 11:13:12 AM
When I meet a black person wearing Fubu I assume the worse about them.

 ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 11:16:01 AM
When I meet a black person wearing Fubu I assume the worse about them.

 ;)

I agree.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on May 11, 2005, 11:21:48 AM
BP- This is just an example. So, let's say you go on a law school interview and the white dude that is interviewing you says: --"so, where are you from?"--- Bp: "NY" -- white dude: "Oh, so, you are from the innercity?"

You are telling me that you don't think that's some screwed up racist sh*t? Come on man...bp!   

Quote

Orright, that would be some sh*t, you got a point there.... :-\

I'm wondering though if I would think "daymn, the fact that you equate black with inner city shows your ignorance!", rather than "daymn, the fact that you equate black with inner city shows your true racist colors"

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 11:24:45 AM
BP- This is just an example. So, let's say you go on a law school interview and the white dude that is interviewing you says: --"so, where are you from?"--- Bp: "NY" -- white dude: "Oh, so, you are from the innercity?"

You are telling me that you don't think that's some screwed up racist sh*t? Come on man...bp!   

Quote





Orright, that would be some sh*t, you got a point there.... :-\

I'm wondering though if I would think "daymn, the fact that you equate black with inner city shows your ignorance!", rather than "daymn, the fact that you equate black with inner city shows your true racist colors"



Thank You! HBCU is not a fool man.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: comebackkid on May 11, 2005, 11:26:35 AM
The comment was not appropriate...But anyways, HBCU - it's good to see the Western Province representing.  
Blk Reign - I recognize Crimson and Cream love.  When I went to school, the Deltas were the $h*t.  I don't know if it is still the same.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 11, 2005, 11:29:11 AM
HBCU is cool.

Thank you.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 11, 2005, 01:10:22 PM


Here's my take on it.. this is a hypothetical situation as I'd never do this dumb *&^%..

I'm sitting in a classroom with some white friends or associates... we're all cool with each other..agree on some issues here and there regardless of race..

so one day in the middle of lunch i say "So do white people that didn't grow up in affluent neighborhoods come from trailer parks?"

that's the equivilent of what you said Julie.. that *&^%'s not cool..even if you were joking don't say something that can be offensive to some. .I didn't think that your intent was to be racist..however I felt that you should have used better judgment...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 11, 2005, 01:11:40 PM
Deltas ARE the *&^%  ;)

The comment was not appropriate...But anyways, HBCU - it's good to see the Western Province representing.  
Blk Reign - I recognize Crimson and Cream love.  When I went to school, the Deltas were the $h*t.  I don't know if it is still the same.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on May 11, 2005, 01:23:03 PM


Here's my take on it.. this is a hypothetical situation as I'd never do this dumb sh*t..

I'm sitting in a classroom with some white friends or associates... we're all cool with each other..agree on some issues here and there regardless of race..

so one day in the middle of lunch i say "So do white people that didn't grow up in affluent neighborhoods come from trailer parks?"

that's the equivilent of what you said Julie.. that sh*t's not cool..even if you were joking don't say something that can be offensive to some. .I didn't think that your intent was to be racist..however I felt that you should have used better judgment...

Yup, this is what i meant....I'm just not as articulate.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 11, 2005, 03:16:24 PM
u are silly...u know good and well your posts are felt and understood :)



Here's my take on it.. this is a hypothetical situation as I'd never do this dumb sh*t..

I'm sitting in a classroom with some white friends or associates... we're all cool with each other..agree on some issues here and there regardless of race..

so one day in the middle of lunch i say "So do white people that didn't grow up in affluent neighborhoods come from trailer parks?"

that's the equivilent of what you said Julie.. that sh*t's not cool..even if you were joking don't say something that can be offensive to some. .I didn't think that your intent was to be racist..however I felt that you should have used better judgment...

Yup, this is what i meant....I'm just not as articulate.


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 03:23:30 PM
No the hell they aren't. No one can understand his staccato gibberish. His prose is borderline emetic.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on May 11, 2005, 03:37:55 PM
No the hell they aren't. No one can understand his staccato gibberish. His prose is borderline emetic.

bonus points for using the word emetic on blsd.  negative points for the supercilious nature in which it was invoked.   don't be such a misanthrope.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 03:43:14 PM
 :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 07:22:53 PM
I'm glad you see things my way elegant in regards to the racist issue. We are from the south so we know the game. Yo!

It's all about that krimson and kream love aint that right blk?  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 07:51:12 PM
HBCU, I think you're taking her comment to mean "do most Black Greeks, ie. black fraternity members, live in the inner city of Athens (figuratively)." She's asking about Black people from Greece and where they live.

basically;  just double-play on "black greeks."  in america, blacks tend to be in large cities just like whites tend to be rural or suburban.  so what we down to, inner city?  that certainly not meant to be offensive, and it certainly not call for being liked to nazi.  (what should julie call that?)

B*tch I'm from the burbs! (I had to put my pimp hand on her one last time)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: From Nebraska on May 11, 2005, 08:24:47 PM


Skee Wee Sorors

#1 Gamma Beta Spr 99,
Baby Girl-line name
Rx-crossing
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 11, 2005, 08:30:32 PM
Pi Beta
Fall 03, IN DUE TIME
#4 - SHOWTIME

SKEE WEE!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 08:39:16 PM



Skee Wee Sorors

#1 Gamma Beta Spr 99,
Baby Girl-line name
Rx-crossing

They've gotten you too?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 11, 2005, 08:42:41 PM
RBG--stop being salty
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: From Nebraska on May 11, 2005, 08:54:46 PM
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They've gotten you too?
Quote

RBG your bed time has passed!!!  ;)
Good Night
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 08:55:51 PM
baby I'm a grown ass man. I don't live at home.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: From Nebraska on May 11, 2005, 08:58:41 PM
I thought you said you didnt have a job?  So now you're all grown up??  Like I said,"Good Night."
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 09:00:40 PM
I thought you said you didnt have a job?  So now you're all grown up??  Like I said,"Good Night."

No job. Graduate college in '04. And I don't live at home.

Don't get clowned. I'm feelin' kinda fiesty.  :D  ;)  :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: From Nebraska on May 11, 2005, 09:02:34 PM
Whatever RBG, I think you secretly like me! ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 09:04:35 PM
Whatever RBG, I think you secretly like me! ;)

I think you secretly want me to secretly like you.  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: From Nebraska on May 11, 2005, 09:04:43 PM
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No job. Graduate college in '04. And I don't live at home.

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How do I know you dont live at home?? People lie all the time on these internet boards ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: From Nebraska on May 11, 2005, 09:05:30 PM
LMAO ;D

Well its my secret for now! 8)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 09:06:41 PM
RBG--stop being salty

Welcome to the 90's where we don Cross Color shirts and step boxes. Who says salty anymore?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 09:07:18 PM
Quote

No job. Graduate college in '04. And I don't live at home.

Quote

How do I know you dont live at home?? People lie all the time on these internet boards ::)

You'll just have to trust me.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: From Nebraska on May 11, 2005, 09:10:35 PM
RBG I think you have a RUDE TUDE tonight!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 09:12:32 PM
Rude tude? Since when do black people talk like that? Change your signature to say, "Nope, there are no black people in Nebraska."

jk  :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 11, 2005, 09:20:35 PM
I didn't think the joke was so bad.  I chuckled. :-\

How would y'all have reacted if a Black person had made the comment?  Would there have still been an uproar?

Let's see you chuckle when dem peckerwoods at Yale Law say that to you in your face mobell.

white law student: "Oh, how are you paying for Yale? Some kinda innercity scholarship program?"   

mobell: "Ha ha I's gwin pay fo it by shinin yo shoes boss (big smile)"

I hope you are not like that mobell. I would not care if a black person said it by the way.


I'd probably take that moment to educate them.  First step would be asking why they thought I'd have an inner city scholarship.  I'd proceed to inform them that there are no real "inner cities" in SC, so it doesn't make sense.  Then I'd tell them about raising chickens out in the country where I grew up.  Basically I'd just deconstruct all their stereotypes and leaving them looking like the a$$ without getting worked up.  It's more fun that way.

I'm glad to hear you would react the same if a Black person said it.  Do you like Black comedy (Comicview, Def Comedy, Hughley, Rock, etc.)?


No mob. I would not react the same way if a black person said it. I probably would not care. but, it depends. I would have to see. I really don't think a black person would say some stupid *&^% like that anyway.

I do like black comedy. I watch BET all the time and it's all comedy.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: From Nebraska on May 11, 2005, 09:21:27 PM
RBG, I am Black and I am from Nebraska and I talk like that.  I think its funny and you do too.  You dont have to take your frustrations out on me.  I know it must be hard living at home with your mother and having to wear those tighty whitys with your name in them but it's going to ok.   :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 11, 2005, 09:31:58 PM
rofl

you got me.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on May 12, 2005, 02:49:57 AM
RBG, I am Black and I am from Nebraska and I talk like that.  I think its funny and you do too.  You dont have to take your frustrations out on me.  I know it must be hard living at home with your mother and having to wear those tighty whitys with your name in them but it's going to ok.   :D

rofl.  you crack me up.  dang, if I didn't know better...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on May 12, 2005, 02:51:02 AM
I didn't think the joke was so bad.  I chuckled. :-\

How would y'all have reacted if a Black person had made the comment?  Would there have still been an uproar?

Let's see you chuckle when dem peckerwoods at Yale Law say that to you in your face mobell.

white law student: "Oh, how are you paying for Yale? Some kinda innercity scholarship program?"   

mobell: "Ha ha I's gwin pay fo it by shinin yo shoes boss (big smile)"

I hope you are not like that mobell. I would not care if a black person said it by the way.


I'd probably take that moment to educate them.  First step would be asking why they thought I'd have an inner city scholarship.  I'd proceed to inform them that there are no real "inner cities" in SC, so it doesn't make sense.  Then I'd tell them about raising chickens out in the country where I grew up.  Basically I'd just deconstruct all their stereotypes and leaving them looking like the a$$ without getting worked up.  It's more fun that way.

I'm glad to hear you would react the same if a Black person said it.  Do you like Black comedy (Comicview, Def Comedy, Hughley, Rock, etc.)?


No mob. I would not react the same way if a black person said it. I probably would not care. but, it depends. I would have to see. I really don't think a black person would say some stupid sh*t like that anyway.

I do like black comedy. I watch BET all the time and it's all comedy.

Ahh..sorry, I misread that. It was like after 5 AM my time. :-[

Why is it different when a Black person jokes about us all being from the inner city?  I mean, I understand the argument that racism is about power and White folks have the power while Black people can't really be "racist", but that hardly seems relevant in this case.  Julie doesn't strike me as a racist idiot who thinks all Black people live in the inner city, so this was more a lesson of etiquette for White folks toward Black people than anything of substance (i.e. breaking down real stereotypes, anti-racism.) 

I dunno, I think censoring Whites is a big source of our problems in America.  It does make us more comfortable, but White people get to the point where they're scared to talk with us about race in fear they're going to say something wrong and get their heads bitten off.  It's a tough balance to strike.  The balance right now is too far to the left and paralyzes White from honest racial dialogue with Black people.
Hmm rather Republican of you.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on May 12, 2005, 03:01:56 AM
Nah I'd say it's rather Clintonian of me.  Racial dialogue and exposure is the only way to end racism.  If that's our goal we're going to have to change up the rules.  Even liberal whites have a hard time dialoguing openly with us and confronting their own racism in our presence.  It's counterproductive.

 :D Clinton was a borderline Republican.  Remember Welfare reform. 
You know I agree, just killing time.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 12, 2005, 05:33:01 AM
I think people need to be censored. We have talked about and degraded for hundreds of years.  For me, its like I can talk about my daddy, but if you talk about my daddy, then we got problems.  When black folks talk about other black folks, its a familial thing. But when other folks do it, it's more vicious. Making racist jokes isn't a good way to start a racial dialogue. And I am sorry, I just don't see it as my job to educate anyone on race-race relations. This isn't the era of Driving Miss Daisy. It's 2005, people should take it upon themselves, especially educated people to learn how not to be racist.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 08:00:02 AM
hahahahahahahahahh.... :D :D in your best step-n-fetchit voice...



I didn't think the joke was so bad.  I chuckled. :-\

How would y'all have reacted if a Black person had made the comment?  Would there have still been an uproar?

Let's see you chuckle when dem peckerwoods at Yale Law say that to you in your face mobell.

white law student: "Oh, how are you paying for Yale? Some kinda innercity scholarship program?"   

mobell: "Ha ha I's gwin pay fo it by shinin yo shoes boss (big smile)"

I hope you are not like that mobell. I would not care if a black person said it by the way.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 08:01:23 AM
yes Crimson and Cream love... but you don't have to be from the dirty to know the deal.. ;)

I'm glad you see things my way elegant in regards to the racist issue. We are from the south so we know the game. Yo!

It's all about that krimson and kream love aint that right blk?  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 08:18:43 AM
Mobell. You are the good balck. You do so much to help these white folk I tell you. All smiles.

I do feel that you are a bit naive mobell. I can't see why you are that way considering the fact that you are from SC! Don't get lost at Yale Law.

It's not the same thing when a black person says what julie said. I call my best friend "N" all the time. If I call you "my N" that is def a good thing and it means that you are my best friend. But, I would never let a white boy do that to me. The fight would be on.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 08:20:46 AM
Well I definitely have problems with comedians like Dave Chappelle …all of that damn slapstick comedy is irritating to me.. you have this man talking n this n that…and all of his other cliché’s...and Steve Harvey is comedy.. Dave Chapelle is a modern day minstrel show..i’m not saying that none of his jokes are funny .. some are.. but he’s not concerned about the Black community.. if he was he wouldn’t do half of those sketches…

let’s think about it for a minute… how many white people have you seen quoting Dave Chappelle since he’s been on Comedy Central?? How many white people have you heard saying some out of pocket mess after watching that show? Or watching BET..

here’s a perfect example.. I was in the latino thread a few weeks ago and I found myself defending the south side of Chicago because MC a  visitor to my great city advised a white guy to stay away from the south side.. I’m sitting here like wtf? Some of the most affluent Latinos and Blacks live on the South side of Chicago.. so the resident white guy Brave responds..

“well the south side can’t be that bad.. Kanye West is from there right??’

WTF??  >:( Definitely uncalled for.. I just think that white people have problems thinking before they speak when it comes to dealing with racial relations…

if this board is going to help them with their etiquette then so be it.. because they’ve been on this earth at least 21 yrs talking this nonsense.. if we can do them a service about what to say and what not to say to Black folks then.. Well done folks.. well done..





I'm glad to hear you would react the same if a Black person said it.  Do you like Black comedy (Comicview, Def Comedy, Hughley, Rock, etc.)?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on May 12, 2005, 08:37:26 AM
Interesting Blk.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 08:42:00 AM
“well the south side can’t be that bad.. Kanye West is from there right??’

WTF??  >:( Definitely uncalled for.. I just think that white people have problems thinking before they speak when it comes to dealing with racial relations…


Brave's comment about K West was offensive to you? How so?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on May 12, 2005, 08:53:31 AM
Well I definitely have problems with comedians like Dave Chappelle …all of that damn slapstick comedy is irritating to me...


LOL! i agree with you. i think its funny, but after a while I'm like, this is getting to be a little too much.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on May 12, 2005, 09:00:32 AM
I agree with Reign on the Black comedy issues.  Now, I also love Steve Harvey.  Most White people don't know who he is though.  Who they know is Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle.  They LOVE some Dave Chappelle.  While we're sitting up there laughing at him, egging him on, and giving him our money, we're colluding with him in telling White folks we think those things about each other and it's okay if you do too.  Then White liberals, who are utterly confused about how to handle race issues, get even more mixed messages directly from us.  I think it's funny too but starting to worry about the consequences. It's just like a lot of our most famous Black music - we have good positive artists out there like Common, Mos Def, etc. but who's famous in the White community and who are we giving our money to?  It ain't them. :-\

Yeah, it's actually my experience as a lifelong SC woman that gives me this viewpoint about racial dialogue.  It makes no sense in a state that is so heavily African-American that such segregation exists.  A lot of that has to do with a lack of dialogue between the communities.  Black progressives and White progressives do not work together there AT ALL.  The Black people are so paranoid and suspicious that the few White people with good intentions get rolled right over and wind up saying, "F*ck it, I'll leave y'all alone then."  I'm not saying our paranoia is baseless; after all, we got that way after years of exploitation and oppression.  But we have to build more coalitions and stop defeating ourselves.  Going off on all White people who misspeak won't do a thing for that.  Y'all may think me naive, but I think of it as pragmatism and optimism about what we can accomplish if we let some of our guard down. :)

Okay, good post Mobelle.  Interesting discussion.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:12:03 AM
Let's say you guys are right; comedic routines like that of Chappelle lead to Whites holding negative connotations about Blacks. So what?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 09:13:48 AM
"Y'all may think me naive, but I think of it as pragmatism and optimism about what we can accomplish if we let some of our guard down"

Ok mob. just don't get Fd in the Ass while you let your guard down. That's my point.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 09:16:44 AM
how so BP? :)

Interesting Blk.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 09:19:16 AM
Let's say you guys are right; comedic routines like that of Chappelle lead to Whites holding negative connotations about Blacks. So what?

RBG- white people have hated negros long before dave chappelle- since the slave ships man. I just think his "comedy" is stupid and i'm glad his show is over.    
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 09:19:55 AM
It wasn't offensive..it was dumb and baseless..as that was his way of "relating to black folks" the south side must be cool since that's kanye west's hood huh?  ::)


“well the south side can’t be that bad.. Kanye West is from there right??’

WTF??  >:( Definitely uncalled for.. I just think that white people have problems thinking before they speak when it comes to dealing with racial relations…


Brave's comment about K West was offensive to you? How so?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:22:32 AM
It wasn't offensive..it was dumb and baseless..as that was his way of "relating to black folks" the south side must be cool since that's kanye west's hood huh?  ::)


“well the south side can’t be that bad.. Kanye West is from there right??’

WTF??  >:( Definitely uncalled for.. I just think that white people have problems thinking before they speak when it comes to dealing with racial relations…


Brave's comment about K West was offensive to you? How so?

I still don't see the problem with the comment.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 09:26:02 AM
Girl Yes!!! look at this excerpt from an article i was reading about Dave Chappelle :o this is TOO much...@%#%$


Gordon also reports that Chappelle is looking to push the racial humor even farther in the third season -- and network executives are reportedly afraid he's crossed the line. 

For example, Gordon was on the show's set in November 2004, just a few weeks into shooting on the third season. Chappelle was in blackface, with white painted lips, white gloves, a red vest, a black cane and a Pullman Porter cap. He was dressed for a sketch titled "The n-word Pixie" in which Chappelle plays a cackling, devil-on-the-shoulder creation who serves as the self-hating conscience of famous black men, such as Tiger Woods and Chappelle himself. As the minstrel-accented pixie, he kept busting up the crew with his profane ad-libs over footage of Woods attempting a putt.  >:( >:( >:(

"Dave is not compromising what he wants to do," a source told Newsweek. "He's waited a long time for this chance, and he's not trying to do anything that isn't 100 percent his vision."


Well I definitely have problems with comedians like Dave Chappelle …all of that damn slapstick comedy is irritating to me...


LOL! i agree with you. i think its funny, but after a while I'm like, this is getting to be a little too much.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on May 12, 2005, 09:26:33 AM
how so BP? :)

Interesting Blk.

Oh just that it's an interesting take on comedians and their affect on our image.  You made some good points...<thinking>
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:27:43 AM
Let's say you guys are right; comedic routines like that of Chappelle lead to Whites holding negative connotations about Blacks. So what?

RBG- white people have hated negros long before dave chappelle- since the slave ships man. I just think his "comedy" is stupid and i'm glad his show is over.     

Then why bring the racial dynamic into it then? Clearly some blacks thinks that his humor works to our detriment.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:29:45 AM
Girl Yes!!! look at this excerpt from an article i was reading about Dave Chappelle :o this is TOO much...@%#%$


Gordon also reports that Chappelle is looking to push the racial humor even farther in the third season -- and network executives are reportedly afraid he's crossed the line. 

For example, Gordon was on the show's set in November 2004, just a few weeks into shooting on the third season. Chappelle was in blackface, with white painted lips, white gloves, a red vest, a black cane and a Pullman Porter cap. He was dressed for a sketch titled "The n-word Pixie" in which Chappelle plays a cackling, devil-on-the-shoulder creation who serves as the self-hating conscience of famous black men, such as Tiger Woods and Chappelle himself. As the minstrel-accented pixie, he kept busting up the crew with his profane ad-libs over footage of Woods attempting a putt.  >:( >:( >:(

"Dave is not compromising what he wants to do," a source told Newsweek. "He's waited a long time for this chance, and he's not trying to do anything that isn't 100 percent his vision."


Well I definitely have problems with comedians like Dave Chappelle …all of that damn slapstick comedy is irritating to me...


LOL! i agree with you. i think its funny, but after a while I'm like, this is getting to be a little too much.

holy sh!t! I want to see that sketch, yo.  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 09:30:11 AM
OMG-Chapelle has lost his damn mind.  And some folks have the AUDACITY to compare him to Richard Pryor. 

And I saw that movie.  (Didn't like it at all.)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 09:30:39 AM
Great post black! See, some people on BLSD don't realize that you have to stand up for yourself and have pride in who you are. You can't #%@! your way through life. This negro Dave had to go to AFRICA to get back on track! He sold his soul for "success". He was killing himself on the inside to make a buck and he went crazy. I just hope you guys dont go through this when you go to law school.  

Wed May 11

by David Bauder
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) - Comedy Central star Dave Chappelle has checked himself into a mental health facility in South Africa, the magazine Entertainment Weekly reported on Wednesday.

The comedian's whereabouts and condition have been unknown since Comedy Central abruptly announced last week that the planned May 31 launch of the third season of "Chappelle's Show" had been postponed and production halted.

Chappelle flew from Newark, N.J., to South Africa on April 28 for treatment, said the magazine, quoting a source close to the show it would not identify. Entertainment Weekly said it had corroborating sources for its story.

"We don't know where he is," Comedy Central spokesman Tony Fox said. "We've heard about South Africa. We don't know. We haven't talked to Dave."

Chappelle's spokesman, Matt Labov, would not comment on the magazine's story.

"It seems like the issues he's contending with are really quite serious," said Dade Hayes, a senior editor at Entertainment Weekly. "It isn't a case of him spending a weekend someplace recuperating from exhaustion."

The magazine's sources say Chappelle is still in the facility, which was not named, Hayes said. Chappelle's representatives have denied that the comedian was abusing drugs.

Chappelle reportedly signed a $50 million deal with Comedy Central for two more seasons of his show, a payday made possible because of the explosive sales of the show's first season DVD.

The magazine said Chappelle had shot four to five episodes' worth of sketches for the new season, but none of its onstage introductions.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on May 12, 2005, 09:30:49 AM
I too think Dave Chappel has gone too far.  It would be one thing if it was just black people buying his garbage, but the fact that everytime I turn around another annoying nilla wafer is reenacting Chappel skits just makes me mad  >:(
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 09:31:53 AM
Selling your soul will get you nowhere in life. 

Sad, sad, sad.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: seu2002 on May 12, 2005, 09:32:18 AM
My 2 cents:

i know you all remember the drama between Regal and I.  She and I got into it on her original women's thread over something completely separate from the racial mess everyone recalls.  i was so bothered by her reactions to our first discussion that when ladyday created her new thread, i didn't think too much to contruct a decent message, and i posted something that others found offensive and racist.  that was entirely my bad, and something that i learned from.

there were 3 different reaction on the board:
1.  those who called me racist and lashed out at me
2.  those who reached out to me via PM or the message board to explain to me that what i said was wrong and how so
3.  those who ignored it

from whom did i learn the most from?  from those who addressed it.  granted, upon reading everyone's reactions to the comment, i went back and saw that my message was all wrong and i tried to correct it.  but the damage was done.

there was no racist or malicious INTENT in that post, but it wasn't worded as such.  the few people who PM'd me gave me the benefit of that doubt.  the approach they took in addressing this situation and showing me why my comment was offensive worked wonders for me and the way i perceive things up to today.  it's the "good blacks" like mobell, ladyday, swb, and blk (sorry if i'm forgetting someone) who are pro-actively changing the misconstrued perceptions of black people that plague the non-blacks in this nation.  i'm thankful for individuals such as these ladies.  they're one of the reason that i kept coming back to blsd.

i could have easily been ostracized from this board for that one post, but i wasn't, and i'm thankful for that bc i've learned so much from every single person on this board.  every single one of you has taught me something about your culture, your values, the way of life, and what flies and what doesn't within. 

on a side note, dave chappelle makes me very uncomfortable.  he makes it seem ok for people to go around calling others, Black or not, the N word all sorts of other racial slurs.  ever since that show's been on the air, i've heard so many more non-Black people walking around screaming like lil john and making reference to chappelle's racist humor in public.  it's annoying and it's wrong for others to take those sorts of liberties with his jokes.  i avoid that show at all costs.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:32:37 AM
yah - i love Bamboozled
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:34:40 AM
I too think Dave Chappel has gone too far.  It would be one thing if it was just black people buying his garbage, but the fact that everytime I turn around another annoying nilla wafer is reenacting Chappel skits just makes me mad  >:(

White people are going to think what they are going to think. If they "use it against us," then so be it. I'm tired of black folk worrying about what white folk are going to think of us. Fukk that, yo!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 09:35:42 AM
Great seu.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 09:36:50 AM
Mobell get out of my head..i was talking to HBC about bamboozled about 20 minutes ago... and my experiences with the movie and bringing Spike Lee to speak at my university..

It's an excellent movie that EVERYONE should see...

why don't u like it IWANTIN?

also mob... as u were posting i was looking for the avatar pic i have now.. great minds i tell u
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 09:38:07 AM
I've seen it twice, and it just didn't do anything for me.  Frankly, I didn't understand.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:38:33 AM
Mobell get out of my head..i was talking to HBC about bamboozled about 20 minutes ago... and my experiences with the movie and bringing Spike Lee to speak at my university..

It's an excellent movie that EVERYONE should see...

why don't u like it IWANTIN?

also mob... as u were posting i was looking for the avatar pic i have now.. great minds i tell u

great minds? What does that have to do with you and mobell?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 09:39:26 AM
Why do you have to be like that RBG?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:40:55 AM
be like what?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 09:42:05 AM
Nevermind... :) 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 09:43:09 AM
I agree with you here RBG.. however the fact of the matter is.. we're always going to have to deal with white folks.. no matter what we do.. so we need to erase these negative images that are constantly being presented about us



White people are going to think what they are going to think. If they "use it against us," then so be it. I'm tired of black folk worrying about what white folk are going to think of us. Fukk that, yo!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on May 12, 2005, 09:44:10 AM
i do think that some of the stuff that Dave Chapelle did drove him off the dep end. He was trying to play too many roles in the world. I do think that his skits were funny, but at the same time all of them had a tinge of self-hatred that I wasn't comfortable with. I would think, is it wrong that I'm laughing at this? I like Chris Rock alot better, mostly b/c I think his comedy is more universal/politically charged/and his stuff hasn't gotten so mainstream as to have white folks asking me stuff about it.

blk--spike lee's crazy A$$ came to speak at your school? He came to speak at my school, and I don't think I've ever heard more cursing at a university event. the funniest thing was the time he spent talking about that movie "green mile." he was like, "a black man in prison who has magical powers and uses them to heal a white man of cancer and not get out of jail. WTF is up with that"
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:45:21 AM
I agree with you here RBG.. however the fact of the matter is.. we're always going to have to deal with white folks.. no matter what we do.. so we need to erase these negative images that are constantly being presented about us



White people are going to think what they are going to think. If they "use it against us," then so be it. I'm tired of black folk worrying about what white folk are going to think of us. Fukk that, yo!

Not gonna' happen.

Does anyone agree with my feeling that his minstrel skit could be hilarious?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on May 12, 2005, 09:45:44 AM
I too think Dave Chappel has gone too far.  It would be one thing if it was just black people buying his garbage, but the fact that everytime I turn around another annoying nilla wafer is reenacting Chappel skits just makes me mad  >:(

White people are going to think what they are going to think. If they "use it against us," then so be it. I'm tired of black folk worrying about what white folk are going to think of us. Fukk that, yo!
I'm tired of coons acting a fool and not thinking about the consequences.  double fukk that, yo!  ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 09:47:17 AM
SAME identical speech girl.. remember the part about Green Mile and he called that man the "Mystical Negro"??
 :D

i was sitting there cracking up...man what was even funnier was the look on all of those white people's faces.. CLASSIC :D :D :D




blk--spike lee's crazy A$$ came to speak at your school? He came to speak at my school, and I don't think I've ever heard more cursing at a university event. the funniest thing was the time he spent talking about that movie "green mile." he was like, "a black man in prison who has magical powers and uses them to heal a white man of cancer and not get out of jail. WTF is up with that"
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: kloud9nupe on May 12, 2005, 09:47:41 AM
The subject line said Black Greek Thread. What happen? I'm representing Kappa Alpha Psi, Phi Nu Pi (Kreated to be Hated)!

Kloud Nine
Delta Delta (M.T.H.)
Jackson State University
Spr. 2K2
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:48:08 AM
I too think Dave Chappel has gone too far.  It would be one thing if it was just black people buying his garbage, but the fact that everytime I turn around another annoying nilla wafer is reenacting Chappel skits just makes me mad  >:(

White people are going to think what they are going to think. If they "use it against us," then so be it. I'm tired of black folk worrying about what white folk are going to think of us. Fukk that, yo!
I'm tired of coons acting a fool and not thinking about the consequences.  double fukk that, yo!  ::)

And, pray tell, what are the consequences of Cheppelle Show? And you better not have been rollin' your eyes at me.  ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 09:49:08 AM
what didn't you understand about it?


I've seen it twice, and it just didn't do anything for me.  Frankly, I didn't understand.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 09:50:57 AM

call it a paradigm shift.. welcome to the board Crimson and Cream love around...


The subject line said Black Greek Thread. What happen? I'm representing Kappa Alpha Psi, Phi Nu Pi (Kreated to be Hated)!

Kloud Nine
Delta Delta (M.T.H.)
Jackson State University
Spr. 2K2
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 09:51:33 AM
That's what we do on BLSD NUPE. We move around. Welcome to the board. Yo.

Hey, are you in law school or thinking of going or what? Introduce yourself as this is your first post to the board. I'm a Morehouse grad. On my way to Southern University for law school.




The subject line said Black Greek Thread. What happen? I'm representing Kappa Alpha Psi, Phi Nu Pi (Kreated to be Hated)!

Kloud Nine
Delta Delta (M.T.H.)
Jackson State University
Spr. 2K2


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 09:52:33 AM
Folks like Davie boy have issues beyond what sane minds can understand...

However, I do have issues with black folks who try to "bridge the gap" and lose a sense of self in the process.  Here's a little story...

Being at a predominately white institution, there are a handful of blacks who decide to join white fraternities and sororities (yeah, back to Greek Life).  As an advertisement one of the white frats put up a poster that had whatever little corny theme they were using and these words: "No Timbs or Fubu allowed."  Now, I was ENRAGED when I saw this garbage, using a number of "bad" words to express it.  And then the ONE BLACK GUY in the frat comes up to me and has the nerve to say that he told his "brothers" that is was ok.  He wanted to know what I had an issue with.  Then he tried to LECTURE me on how Black Greeks should try to WORK MORE with WHITE GREEKS on campus...

Now, what do you think about that?

As for Bamboozled... ???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 09:56:25 AM
"HBC is probably right " You see Mob. I'm always right. I keep telling blk_reign that. She finally knows the truth now.  8)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 09:59:10 AM
There was a black guy that joined a white fraternity at my undergrad institution... do you know what his line name was??

HNIC now you KNOW they called him a N***** behind his back...and he wore that damn line shirt proudly >:( what's even worse is the fact that the black greeks didn't say anything to him about it.. damn that.. black folks never said anything...

i asked him why he wore that shirt..he said that he was proud.. i just shook my head.. :(


Folks like Davie boy have issues beyond what sane minds can understand...

However, I do have issues with black folks who try to "bridge the gap" and lose a sense of self in the process. Here's a little story...

Being at a predominately white institution, there are a handful of blacks who decide to join white fraternities and sororities (yeah, back to Greek Life). As an advertisement one of the white frats put up a poster that had whatever little corny theme they were using and these words: "No Timbs or Fubu allowed." Now, I was ENRAGED when I saw this garbage, using a number of "bad" words to express it. And then the ONE BLACK GUY in the frat comes up to me and has the nerve to say that he told his "brothers" that is was ok. He wanted to know what I had an issue with. Then he tried to LECTURE me on how Black Greeks should try to WORK MORE with WHITE GREEKS on campus...

Now, what do you think about that?

As for Bamboozled... ???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 10:01:42 AM
I agree with you here RBG.. however the fact of the matter is.. we're always going to have to deal with white folks.. no matter what we do.. so we need to erase these negative images that are constantly being presented about us



White people are going to think what they are going to think. If they "use it against us," then so be it. I'm tired of black folk worrying about what white folk are going to think of us. Fukk that, yo!

Not gonna' happen.

Does anyone agree with my feeling that his minstrel skit could be hilarious?

Hell naw.

Man, that skit seems hilarious to me.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on May 12, 2005, 10:04:18 AM
Yes, blk_reign yes!!! the mystical negro.

rbg--yeah, i think the skit would be funny. but i'd feel bad about laughing like i always do :-\

and I feel like kloud9nupe has posted before. didn't him and rbg get into it about his picture. that was a funny exchange. come to think of it, rbg why u always hatin on people's pictures? but u never post one of yourself?  :D

The subject line said Black Greek Thread. What happen? I'm representing Kappa Alpha Psi, Phi Nu Pi (Kreated to be Hated)!

Kloud Nine
Delta Delta (M.T.H.)
Jackson State University
Spr. 2K2
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 10:08:26 AM
Yes, blk_reign yes!!! the mystical negro.

rbg--yeah, i think the skit would be funny. but i'd feel bad about laughing like i always do :-\

and I feel like kloud9nupe has posted before. didn't him and rbg get into it about his picture. that was a funny exchange. come to think of it, rbg why u always hatin on people's pictures? but u never post one of yourself?  :D

The subject line said Black Greek Thread. What happen? I'm representing Kappa Alpha Psi, Phi Nu Pi (Kreated to be Hated)!

Kloud Nine
Delta Delta (M.T.H.)
Jackson State University
Spr. 2K2

Whatever, heifa'. This is an elaborate scheme to know what I look like. Your thirsty ass has failed. Ding!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 10:10:38 AM
That's just DISGUSTING...

Luckily, I don't know what they do about line names because I never see the frat boys wearing line shirts. 

There are a NUMBER of blacks in white fraternities and sororities on my campus.  (For example, Delta Zeta, with the colors pink and green, has a black girl in it.  I was disgusted when someone rolled up on me and had the nerve to ask if she was in MY sorority.)  All of the black folks look alike around here I guess. 

Now beyond that, there is always a division between Black Greeks and Blacks in White Greek Organizations.  How can you NOT see the issue with using "No Timbs or Fubu allowed?!?!?!"  While trying to bridge this gap, they lose a sense of who they are and assimilate.  And another thing, why do WHITE GREEKS ALWAYS want BLACK GREEKS to teach them a step?  I always felt like they considered us to be their little minstrel-show-entertainment.  It's hard to bridge a gap when...well...you work with white people who encounter such black males and females in their Greek organizations that THINK the way this young man did.  They assume that you're like this guy, Davie boy, and ole Kisha in Phi Mu or Tri Delta.  And all they know about YOUR organization is that you know how to step--which doesn't have anything to do with what you stand for and what your organization represents nationally.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 10:13:43 AM
In addition, there is also a gap between Black Greeks on white campuses and Black Greeks at HBCUs.  Although you'd expect them all to show you love, that's not the case all the time.   :-\

Well, there's a LOT of gaps.  I can't even begin to go into all of them. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 10:15:43 AM
OK. I want yall to be honest about this *&^%: would you sign a one year contract with comedy central that pays 50 Million dollars to wear black face on a "n-word Pixie" show?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 10:17:12 AM
nope....i'd never compromise my integrity or convictions.. no matter how much money i was offered.. and that's real...


OK. I want yall to be honest about this sh*t: would you sign a one year contract with comedy central that pays 50 Million dollars to wear black face on a "n-word Pixie" show?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on May 12, 2005, 10:18:13 AM
nope....i'd never compromise my integrity or convictions.. no matter how much money i was offered.. and that's real...


OK. I want yall to be honest about this sh*t: would you sign a one year contract with comedy central that pays 50 Million dollars to wear black face on a "n-word Pixie" show?

I would do it for $5 million.  Starting this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 10:21:24 AM
Well there's definitely truth to what you're saying here.. but you know what though? I think that a lot of black greeks @ pwis don't take the time to associate with black greeks @ hbcus... when i lived in ATL.. you better believe that we went to the AUC.. when i was living in DC.. folks at my undergrad were acting like they were too good to associate with greeks at Howard (and i don't mean at stepshows i'm talking about during the week..community service projects etc).. how are you too good to go to the MECCA??  >:(


In addition, there is also a gap between Black Greeks on white campuses and Black Greeks at HBCUs.  Although you'd expect them all to show you love, that's not the case all the time.   :-\

Well, there's a LOT of gaps.  I can't even begin to go into all of them. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 10:21:52 AM
nope....i'd never compromise my integrity or convictions.. no matter how much money i was offered.. and that's real...


OK. I want yall to be honest about this sh*t: would you sign a one year contract with comedy central that pays 50 Million dollars to wear black face on a "n-word Pixie" show?

I would do it for $5 million.  This afternoon.


I'm being serious BP.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 10:24:43 AM
it is so funny to me that we were at two different universities..both PWIs.. and we heard the exact same speech...man finally someone that didn't go to school with me that witnessed that  :D .. people didn't want to believe me when i told them that Spike Lee came to a PWI and said the things that he did



Yes, blk_reign yes!!! the mystical negro.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 10:26:02 AM
HBCU: Honestly, I don't know.

I can say right now that I wouldn't.

That's sad BLK.  I would LOVE to go to Howard.  But also coming from the other end, Black Greeks at HBCUs already feel like a lot of black folks at white schools have "sold out."  There's an HBCU only 10 minutes from my campus, and they don't want to work with the Black Greeks at my school on community service projects or forums.  It's more like...you do your thing OVER THERE, and we'll do ours OVER HERE.   :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 10:26:51 AM
There was a black guy that joined a white fraternity at my undergrad institution... do you know what his line name was??

HNIC now you KNOW they called him a N***** behind his back...and he wore that damn line shirt proudly >:( what's even worse is the fact that the black greeks didn't say anything to him about it.. damn that.. black folks never said anything...

i asked him why he wore that shirt..he said that he was proud.. i just shook my head.. :(


Folks like Davie boy have issues beyond what sane minds can understand...

However, I do have issues with black folks who try to "bridge the gap" and lose a sense of self in the process. Here's a little story...

Being at a predominately white institution, there are a handful of blacks who decide to join white fraternities and sororities (yeah, back to Greek Life). As an advertisement one of the white frats put up a poster that had whatever little corny theme they were using and these words: "No Timbs or Fubu allowed." Now, I was ENRAGED when I saw this garbage, using a number of "bad" words to express it. And then the ONE BLACK GUY in the frat comes up to me and has the nerve to say that he told his "brothers" that is was ok. He wanted to know what I had an issue with. Then he tried to LECTURE me on how Black Greeks should try to WORK MORE with WHITE GREEKS on campus...

Now, what do you think about that?

As for Bamboozled... ???


HNIC? That is just taking it way to far. He simply does not care about himself or his race.

I like your other post about going to the black mecca as well. There are  alot of black who will only go to the mecca to party though. I hate that as well. They would never take a class there but they will go to homecoming and a fuggin step show.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 10:30:34 AM
HBCU: Honestly, I don't know.

I can say right now that I wouldn't.

That's sad BLK.  I would LOVE to go to Howard.  But also coming from the other end, Black Greeks at HBCUs already feel like a lot of black folks at white schools have "sold out."  There's an HBCU only 10 minutes from my campus, and they don't want to work with the Black Greeks at my school on community service projects or forums.  It's more like...you do your thing OVER THERE, and we'll do ours OVER HERE.   :-\


Yeah. I def. feel you on that. I  had beef with a few folks at Emory. They looked at me like I was a monkey because I was going to morehouse and I looked at them like they "sold out" because they were at Emory. There was def. no respect from any direction.  
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on May 12, 2005, 10:32:09 AM
nope....i'd never compromise my integrity or convictions.. no matter how much money i was offered.. and that's real...


OK. I want yall to be honest about this sh*t: would you sign a one year contract with comedy central that pays 50 Million dollars to wear black face on a "n-word Pixie" show?

I would do it for $5 million.  This afternoon.


I'm being serious BP.

Me too HBCU.
If we are keeping real, I would quit my job today!

edit: good question though, Blk answered, but where are all the other people who were talking about Chapelle's #%@! ways.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 10:34:16 AM
Exactly my point. 

I try to bridge that gap (blacks at white schools and blacks at HBCUs) because that's the only way you can work with whites anywhere. 

Man, coming to a predominately white university was a BIG change for me because I came from a black high school and the "other side" of the tracks.   
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 10:35:04 AM
I can understand what you're saying.. but to be completely honest with you..I think that has something to do with the reputation of previous greeks in your schools.. it may be somewhere in their history that the hbcu tried to extend themselves to older greek alums.. and they were rejected in some way...not saying that i agree with that mentality though..

u and i both know that there are some other reasons that some hbcu greeks don't accept pwi greeks but we aren't going to discuss in open forum ;)

let's face it.. a lot of black folks that go to white schools are pretentious..wouldn't even think about dating a guy that goes to an HBC for whatever biased reason that they have..i've seen it on my campuses.. i've heard stories from male friends and from my Man ;) about how some black women treat them when they found out that they attended hbcus... what's the problem?

HBCU: Honestly, I don't know.

I can say right now that I wouldn't.

That's sad BLK.  I would LOVE to go to Howard.  But also coming from the other end, Black Greeks at HBCUs already feel like a lot of black folks at white schools have "sold out."  There's an HBCU only 10 minutes from my campus, and they don't want to work with the Black Greeks at my school on community service projects or forums.  It's more like...you do your thing OVER THERE, and we'll do ours OVER HERE.   :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 10:37:49 AM
yeah quite a few... but i think i opened your eyes to some things...



Yeah. I def. feel you on that. I  had beef with a few folks at Emory. They looked at me like I was a monkey because I was going to morehouse and I looked at them like they "sold out" because they were at Emory. There was def. no respect from any direction.  
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 10:39:38 AM
WOW!

I feel you BLK... ;) (We won't discuss in the open.)

That's hard to imagine since MOST of the black males on my campus date WHITE GIRLS.  My friends and I kill for ANY black male that even gives us attention from another PWI, an HBCU, or the local community!  :D

That's another can of worms...these black males dating white girls.  >:(

But I can see how some folks may take that approach and act "stank" towards black males from HBCUs.  (I know like HELL I wouldn't.)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 10:44:34 AM
yeah @ my ug most of the black males date white women.. most of the black females date white men..then when a black guy from an HBCU comes on the yrd they look at him like he's crazy and go after the random white frat boy on the yrd..




WOW!

I feel you BLK... ;) (We won't discuss in the open.)

That's hard to imagine since MOST of the black males on my campus date WHITE GIRLS.  My friends and I kill for ANY black male that even gives us attention from another PWI, an HBCU, or the local community!  :D

That's another can of worms...these black males dating white girls.  >:(

But I can see how some folks may take that approach and act "stank" towards black males from HBCUs.  (I know like HELL I wouldn't.)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on May 12, 2005, 10:44:58 AM
Yes, blk_reign yes!!! the mystical negro.

rbg--yeah, i think the skit would be funny. but i'd feel bad about laughing like i always do :-\

and I feel like kloud9nupe has posted before. didn't him and rbg get into it about his picture. that was a funny exchange. come to think of it, rbg why u always hatin on people's pictures? but u never post one of yourself?  :D

The subject line said Black Greek Thread. What happen? I'm representing Kappa Alpha Psi, Phi Nu Pi (Kreated to be Hated)!

Kloud Nine
Delta Delta (M.T.H.)
Jackson State University
Spr. 2K2

Whatever, heifa'. This is an elaborate scheme to know what I look like. Your thirsty ass has failed. Ding!

LMAO! you're crazy.

blk--thats hilarious. you have a whole group of black folks at my school to share that memory with. we were in the audience like,  :o :D :D :D the only campus visit that made me happier was aaron mcgruder. he said some funny stuff about condi that still makes me laugh.

on the hbcu/pwi issue, i won't really go into it again, but lemme just say i have neva seen a black woman from my school look down her nose at a dude b/c he went to an hbcu. (not saying that it doesn't happen) granted we only visited howard for homecoming, but when we went we were like "YES!! BLACK MEN!!!" its sad i know, but the ratio is so skewed at pwi's that its not even funny.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 10:48:58 AM
Yup...you sure did blk. And you graduated from American! I mean, how WHITE can you get? That school is the most white of any white white educatoin that you can be around man. Ok. sorry. I can say that you never had a problem with me going to an HBC. It's sad that black greeks at PWIs don't want to @#!* with Black Greeks at HBCs. Anyway, I guess I learned not to look at blacks who go to PWIs like they are sell outs.
 

yeah quite a few... but i think i opened your eyes to some things...



Yeah. I def. feel you on that. I  had beef with a few folks at Emory. They looked at me like I was a monkey because I was going to morehouse and I looked at them like they "sold out" because they were at Emory. There was def. no respect from any direction.  
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 10:50:13 AM
you had a good experience judging from your posts.. and i envy that... there was so much self hatred exhibited on my yrd it made me sick...literally

it's not sad about you guys being happy about all of the black men @ Howard  :D ....that's just how it is.. .goodness as small as DC is.. living on the other side of NW you wouldn't even think that you lived in "Chocolate City" especially in undergrad..





on the hbcu/pwi issue, i won't really go into it again, but lemme just say i have neva seen a black woman from my school look down her nose at a dude b/c he went to an hbcu. (not saying that it doesn't happen) granted we only visited howard for homecoming, but when we went we were like "YES!! BLACK MEN!!!" its sad i know, but the ratio is so skewed at pwi's that its not even funny.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 10:51:29 AM
I feel you faith. 

The white guys at this PWI only date the black chicks in the white sororities.  I guess the rest of the black females are...too "urban" for them.  (I haven't found a single white man that could "woo" me like a black man yet; I LOVE BLACK MEN.)  ;D

I can say that Mr. Eric Michael Dyson carried his behind over to the HBCU and did nothing but speak NEGATIVELY about blacks at my PWI.  I was again...DISGUSTED.   >:(

I actually was fond of his writings prior to his visit.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 10:54:15 AM
 :( >:(  :'(

u're right though..  the American Eagle mascot.. red/white/blue school colors.. the cooks in the caf were black.. the housekeepers and gardeners were hispanic.. and the majority of the professors were white...

tell me that isn't something...



Yup...you sure did blk. And you graduated from American! I mean, how WHITE can you get? That school is the most white of any white white educatoin that you can be around man.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 10:58:07 AM

Don't get me started on Michael Eric Dyson... >:( he wouldn't even come to speak at American unless he was getting 10k.. we all should know that the budget for a Black Student Union is relatively low.. our budget for the yr back then was about 5k... he's wack..

and most of those black think tank folks look down on us anyway..but that's another discussion


I feel you faith. 

The white guys at this PWI only date the black chicks in the white sororities.  I guess the rest of the black females are...too "urban" for them.  (I haven't found a single white man that could "woo" me like a black man yet; I LOVE BLACK MEN.)  ;D

I can say that Mr. Eric Michael Dyson carried his behind over to the HBCU and did nothing but speak NEGATIVELY about blacks at my PWI.  I was again...DISGUSTED.   >:(

I actually was fond of his writings prior to his visit.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 11:01:55 AM
Ha Ha!  :D Wrong order of his name...and I don't care to modify it.  He's in the "blocked" area of my mind now since he's so LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!  :D  (I think he showed up my first or second year.)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on May 12, 2005, 11:04:07 AM
I feel you faith. 

The white guys at this PWI only date the black chicks in the white sororities.  I guess the rest of the black females are...too "urban" for them.  (I haven't found a single white man that could "woo" me like a black man yet; I LOVE BLACK MEN.)  ;D

I can say that Mr. Eric Michael Dyson carried his behind over to the HBCU and did nothing but speak NEGATIVELY about blacks at my PWI.  I was again...DISGUSTED.   >:(

I actually was fond of his writings prior to his visit.

Really? What'd he say? I heard him speak and I thought he was pretty good. he was a little silly though, maybe silly isn't the right word, but something about his speech started to sound like a comedy routine towards the end. He definitely called Bill Cosby out for his comments when I heard him, and I thought that was tight.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 11:05:12 AM
Yeah. That's deep. I don't have a problem with going to a PWI now. I got into the University of Alabama and Georgia State University and I would have loved to go to the UA. But, I would have not looked down on HBCU folk. I would go to AU if I really felt like they had the ONLY program of study for me. It would just be hard to go to that specific PWI. I would have had a blast at the UA though.



 :( >:(  :'(

u're right though..  the American Eagle mascot.. red/white/blue school colors.. the cooks in the caf were black.. the housekeepers and gardeners were hispanic.. and the majority of the professors were white...

tell me that isn't something...



Yup...you sure did blk. And you graduated from American! I mean, how WHITE can you get? That school is the most white of any white white educatoin that you can be around man.

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Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 11:07:58 AM
I'm not even going to attempt to catch up with this thread LOL.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on May 12, 2005, 11:08:12 AM
Univ. of Alabama is in Tuscaloosa isn't it? (and thats where you're from right?) they sent me something in the mail and I was like, whoa, I didn't know this school was in Tuscaloosa.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on May 12, 2005, 11:11:03 AM
No way I'd take the 50 mil.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 11:13:00 AM
you mean when he starts rapping in the middle of his prose? :D :D :D


but something about his speech started to sound like a comedy routine towards the end.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 12, 2005, 11:13:43 AM
Univ. of Alabama is in Tuscaloosa isn't it? (and thats where you're from right?) they sent me something in the mail and I was like, whoa, I didn't know this school was in Tuscaloosa.

Yup. It's in Tuscaloosa is a college town. The UA is at the very center of culture here. The University of Alabama has a very beautiful campus.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on May 12, 2005, 11:23:24 AM
you mean when he starts rapping in the middle of his prose? :D :D :D


but something about his speech started to sound like a comedy routine towards the end.

yes! thats exactly what I'm talking about. LOL!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: kloud9nupe on May 12, 2005, 12:42:43 PM
I'm going to Howard Law this fall and I have never posted a pic on here.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 12:55:09 PM
Whats up with all these nupes on the board? YUCK!  :-* ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 12:58:25 PM
I know YOU aren't talking missy...

Whats up with all these nupes on the board? YUCK!  :-* ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on May 12, 2005, 01:04:01 PM
congrats! sorry bout that. musta been another member of kappa alpha psi.  :) i looked back at the introduction thread. i think his name was kasanova.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 01:08:52 PM
congrats! sorry bout that. musta been another member of kappa alpha psi.  :) i looked back at the introduction thread. i think his name was kasanova.

oh yah. I clowned the sh!t out of that cat. You should have been in the AIM chatroom. I was clownin' him.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: comebackkid on May 12, 2005, 01:10:29 PM
Muse - You know you love us.  Don't fight it. You know you have always wanted to touch a kane!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on May 12, 2005, 01:30:30 PM
congrats! sorry bout that. musta been another member of kappa alpha psi.  :) i looked back at the introduction thread. i think his name was kasanova.

oh yah. I clowned the sh!t out of that cat. You should have been in the AIM chatroom. I was clownin' him.

LOL! so you clowned him on here, then clowned him more in a chatroom? why rbg? all he did was wear a white dress shirt in his picture!  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 01:32:22 PM
 :D


congrats! sorry bout that. musta been another member of kappa alpha psi.  :) i looked back at the introduction thread. i think his name was kasanova.

oh yah. I clowned the sh!t out of that cat. You should have been in the AIM chatroom. I was clownin' him.

LOL! so you clowned him on here, then clowned him more in a chatroom? why rbg? all he did was wear a white dress shirt in his picture!  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 01:39:22 PM
congrats! sorry bout that. musta been another member of kappa alpha psi.  :) i looked back at the introduction thread. i think his name was kasanova.

oh yah. I clowned the sh!t out of that cat. You should have been in the AIM chatroom. I was clownin' him.

LOL! so you clowned him on here, then clowned him more in a chatroom? why rbg? all he did was wear a white dress shirt in his picture!  :D

dude was sooooo fukkin' obnoxious. Ask regal or blk.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: kloud9nupe on May 12, 2005, 01:51:00 PM
Whats up with all these nupes on the board? YUCK!  :-* ;)

You know you love the NUPES! LOL! We are either loved or hated, but most hate us because we are so confident.



Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 01:59:25 PM
he was feeling himself a little bit too much in that chat...i remember thinking.. dayum he sure talks about himself a lot lol..




dude was sooooo fukkin' obnoxious. Ask regal or blk.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on May 12, 2005, 02:07:08 PM
No way I'd take the 50 mil.

Y'all are crazy bougie.  Hell yah I'd take that 50 mil.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 02:10:40 PM
me too, and I'd buy you some rims, sweetie.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 02:12:17 PM
he was feeling himself a little bit too much in that chat...i remember thinking.. dayum he sure talks about himself a lot lol..




dude was sooooo fukkin' obnoxious. Ask regal or blk.

indeed. I did my part to knock the foo' down a peg or two.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 04:09:49 PM
I've dated a few white dudes my freshman year in fraternities at my school. They were cute though.  :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: seu2002 on May 12, 2005, 04:13:58 PM
no white boys for me.  i like color on my men.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 04:17:04 PM

 >:(  :D



I've dated a few white dudes my freshman year in fraternities at my school. They were cute though.  :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 04:23:06 PM
Hey I was curious geez. I didn't do nothing with them!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 04:26:17 PM
lol

Hey I was curious geez. I didn't do nothing with them!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: seu2002 on May 12, 2005, 04:29:21 PM
curious of what exactly?   ???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 04:35:32 PM
It was more for my ego actually. Getting a white dude was entertaining since they seem so picky...well the ones at SC are.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: seu2002 on May 12, 2005, 04:36:53 PM
ahhh.  have you ever kissed a white boy?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 04:37:29 PM
It was more for my ego actually. Getting a white dude was entertaining since they seem so picky...well the ones at SC are.

lol - only you regal...  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 04:39:05 PM
Yes twice, but they both had full lips. It was pretty good actually. Well one of them was Greek. Does that still count?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: seu2002 on May 12, 2005, 04:41:20 PM
he's not white.  so only one white boy.  that beats my record.  white boys strike out with SEU.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 12, 2005, 04:43:22 PM
 :D :D :D :D


It was more for my ego actually. Getting a white dude was entertaining since they seem so picky...well the ones at SC are.

lol - only you regal...  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 04:47:07 PM
Perhaps...


What is that supposed to mean RBG?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 04:49:02 PM
Perhaps...


What is that supposed to mean RBG?

Only you would actively pursue a race of men for an ego boost. Only you...  :-*
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 04:50:17 PM
 :D

Quite amusing Muse. 

The white boys just don't "move" me like that.  Ugh.  I'm a lil too "urban" for most of the ones that I encounter.  ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 04:53:15 PM
Well I date black men. That is my preference. I do admit that the white dudes I went out with were really down to earth.

I even dated a Republican...now that was interesting!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 04:54:51 PM
 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on May 12, 2005, 05:03:24 PM
:D :D :D :D

Wait a minute? Is than an ass pic? haha ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
LMAO  :D :D :D :D

What in the WOOOOOOOOOOOORLD?!?!?

The one time I put a pic up, someone has to have a "smart" comment.  I think I'm goin' back to Mr. Marley.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 05:11:56 PM
don't do that. Zoom in that mug, yo!  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 05:15:35 PM
Ya'll are trippin'.  :D

Note: That's a WIG.  :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 05:16:13 PM
What happened to the intellectual discussion?  ???  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 05:22:05 PM
wtf - nobody wants to see your high school play photos. :P  Put the old one back up, yo!  :D  :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 05:23:34 PM
Excuse me?

I didn't know that I could be an AKA in high school.  Interesting observation there homie.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 05:27:40 PM
I'm not putting a headshot up here--you don't need to know what I look like.  Besides, where's YOUR pic?  :-X

If you were nice, I might reconsider.  ::) But you're so MEAN...  :-X
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 05:28:40 PM
Excuse me?

I didn't know that I could be an AKA in high school.  Interesting observation there homie.

That's what that was? I thought you were playing King Tut at an all girls school. My bad, homie.  :D

I'm kidding btw. Don't be mad. I'm harmless.  :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 05:29:52 PM
I'm not putting a headshot up here--you don't need to know what I look like.  Besides, where's YOUR pic?  :-X

If you were nice, I might reconsider.  ::) But you're so MEAN...  :-X

only special people get to gaze at the hotness that is r to the b to the g.  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on May 12, 2005, 05:36:46 PM
I'm not putting a headshot up here--you don't need to know what I look like.  Besides, where's YOUR pic?  :-X

If you were nice, I might reconsider.  ::) But you're so MEAN...  :-X

only special people get to gaze at the hotness that is r to the b to the g.  :D

 ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 05:41:11 PM
I'm special...RBG showed me all of his pictures.


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 05:43:58 PM
Ok...so I'm not special.  :-[ I can live with that.  :) But I'm still not puttin' up a headshot.  ;D

I wish I were like Muse...she's seein' the pics and gettin' white dudes.  :D  She's the s***.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on May 12, 2005, 05:45:05 PM
I'm special...RBG showed me all of his pictures.

And you still talkin' to him, so guess he can't be THAT ugly. ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 05:46:01 PM
Oh yeah...and your lil joke was LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME.  :D  King Tut at an all girls school...COME ON MAN.  (That's just corny.)  :)

I don't care what folks look like.  I have friends who are ugly; I don't discriminate.  HEHEHE
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 05:47:13 PM
What can I say iwantin? It's difficult being me... :)


I can't date an ugly dude. He has to have the whole package...literally and figuratively.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 05:49:12 PM
I agree.  I can't do the ugly dude with a "great personality."   :-\ That might sound shallow, but it's true.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 05:55:59 PM
Uh huh.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 06:02:30 PM
I'm not putting a headshot up here--you don't need to know what I look like.  Besides, where's YOUR pic?  :-X

If you were nice, I might reconsider.  ::) But you're so MEAN...  :-X

only special people get to gaze at the hotness that is r to the b to the g.  :D

 ::)

you keep rollin your eyes at me... rbg disapproves.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 06:03:53 PM
So MEAN to folks...RBG is.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 06:05:01 PM
I agree.  I can't do the ugly dude with a "great personality."   :-\ That might sound shallow, but it's true.


Well, can you do lonely? Picky ass broads.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 06:08:13 PM
You think RBG is mean? Hahah I guess I haven't haze anyone in a while. RBG is Mother Teressa compared to me.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 06:09:32 PM
I'm special...RBG showed me all of his pictures.

And you still talkin' to him, so guess he can't be THAT ugly. ;)

I'm kinda' cute in the dark 30 feet away.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 06:10:50 PM
You think RBG is mean? Hahah I guess I haven't haze anyone in a while. RBG is Mother Teressa compared to me.

No doubt. Not only will Muse make fun of you and your family, she'll clown your ancestors and your whole culture. She's ruthless. That' heifa's evil.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 06:11:21 PM
 :D Hazing??? (I know not what you speak of.)

As for you RBG, I have a RIGHT to be picky.  I'm not going to SETTLE for someone I'm not physically attracted to.  Would you date an ugly girl?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 12, 2005, 06:12:31 PM
So many topics...ya'll aren't in class or working??Lol

I went to FAMU but we had FSU right across the street so I observed HBCU NPHC and PWI HBCU relationships first hand. I will say that alot of the greeks at the PWI had some sort of inferiority complex because our chapters were 40 or 50 years older than their chapters. And the Greeks at FAMU thought the greeks at FSU were unoriginal because they didn't have things unique to their chapters, many of their things were carbon copies of stuff we had been doing since the 1930s.  We also had mad drama with the fraternities at FSU liking the sororities at FAMU better and the sororities at FAMU liking the FSU fraternities better....you know the drama that ensues when chapters date...

As far as the race issue...sorry I am not going to let my blood pressure go any higher by trying to educate some person about my culture. I would only consider educating a child, that's it.

Have you all seen DROP Squad and Bamboozled?? The Chappelle article made me think of Bamboozled...didn't old boy go crazy in that movie too???

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 06:15:25 PM
I can see that drama elegant.  And I agree about educating a child and not "some person."  Folks are so set in their ways that it's ridiculous.  Like my dad always told me: "If you're grown, that means you're dead--no longer growing."  People need to understand that change is a GOOD thing.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 06:16:32 PM
I usually ignore folks if the quesiton is ignorant to me. The black greeks on my campus have a strong presence. In fact a lot of the white orgs try to do events with us. LOL.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 06:16:57 PM
:D Hazing??? (I know not what you speak of.)

As for you RBG, I have a RIGHT to be picky.  I'm not going to SETTLE for someone I'm not physically attracted to.  Would you date an ugly girl?

no such thing as an ugly girl; all women are queens. I can't believe you're so superficial. You sicken me. You're probably one of those self-hating Clarence Thomas type of old-guard negroes who walks around with a top hat and white gloves huh? Get out of my face. :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 12, 2005, 06:19:08 PM
There are some people who I am not physically attracted to, but I also realize that a person's style, personality, wit and charisma can make them very attractive even when they are not conventionally attractive. There are even some people are just sexy but not classically beautiful. I know I don't want a man who is dumb and pretty.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 06:19:27 PM
You lie RBG, I've seen some ugly broads in my day. What kills me is when an ugly female wants to be picky. I say they should appreciate whatever they can get. FUGLY!

HAHAHA I'm SO KIDDING!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 06:20:57 PM
OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!  :o

Well, nice lil comeback with the compliment.  But I'm bein' real.  Now, there's a chick out there that you wouldn't date because she has bad BO, no teeth, a bald head, and no class whatsoever.  Spare me the the typical name-calling HOMIE.  I'm just asking a REAL question...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 06:22:12 PM
Pretty men who are dumb are LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 06:23:21 PM
OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!  :o

Well, nice lil comeback with the compliment.  But I'm bein' real.  Now, there's a chick out there that you wouldn't date because she has bad BO, no teeth, a bald head, and no class whatsoever.  Spare me the the typical name-calling HOMIE.  I'm just asking a REAL question...

i know. and the answer is obvious.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 06:24:59 PM
You'd date her right?  :D

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 06:25:47 PM
You'd date her right?



i guess it wasn't that obvious then...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 06:26:41 PM
I hate when chicks talk about they can't get a man but when you see them they make you want to dig your eyes out with a spoon.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 06:27:59 PM
 :P  :D

Well, DANG MUSE!  That's kinda HARSH.  :D

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 06:30:38 PM
No it's not. Just that people are too sensitive these days to be truthful. The fact remains that some folks are not blessed asthetically. That's life. For their sake I hope they are really kind and intelligent. :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 06:31:32 PM
 :o
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 06:32:44 PM
Yeah I sound like a jerk but hey we all think it. Have you ever met someone who was dreadfully unattractive and had the personality of a peanut? Not a good combo.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 12, 2005, 06:33:25 PM
I think beauty is really in the eye of the beholder and people shouldn't feel bad if they aren't conventionally beautiful....

I think Oprah with her class, style, and intelligence is beautiful...Traci Bingham on the other hand, I'd for her to be banned from television

Some people think that Shemar Moore is fine, but I'd rather have Idris Elba any day because he's interesting (Boris Kudjoe too, but he's fine and seems interesting...I am really glad that Nicole & Boris are getting married...great couple).
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 06:34:37 PM
Yeah I sound like a jerk but hey we all think it. Have you ever met someone who was dreadfully unattractive and had the personality of a peanut? Not a good combo.

 :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 06:35:27 PM
I just want a man that's cute.  That's all.   :-[

Everyone can't be "pretty."

Personality will only get you so far with me.  You can be my friend, but I don't know about dating you.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 06:36:17 PM
True...Personaliy does go a long way but there are some folks who are just UGLY!!!!!1

Oprah...have you seen the color purple? Yeah she looks good and all but she is also a billionaire.

Shemar Moore looks like hot garbage to me. He needs to see a dentist.

Boris....oh man intelligent and fine. God bless his parents.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 06:38:28 PM
True...Personaliy does go a long way but there are some folks who are just UGLY!!!!!1

Oprah...have you seen the color purple? Yeah she looks good and all but she is also a billionaire.

Shemar Moore looks like hot garbage to me. He needs to see a dentist.

Boris....oh man intelligent and fine. God bless his parents.

Boris is a FINE FINE FINE man.   ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 12, 2005, 06:39:12 PM
Boris got his grilled fixed....you didn't see him on Oprah....

Oprah finally learned what works for her...people really have to do that.. big hair and jheri curls were not a good look, even in the 80's-90's.  I think Jada finally learned what works for her..she wasn't that cute 10 years ago.

Boris is gorgeous...those pics on the net of Boris, Nicole and their cute little baby are so precious.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 06:41:42 PM
Perhaps....

Then there is the theory that no matter what some people do, they will always be FUGLY...

 :D ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 12, 2005, 06:42:09 PM
 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 12, 2005, 06:43:00 PM
Let me stop. In God's eyes, everyone is beautiful. Yeah.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: misha22 on May 12, 2005, 09:23:37 PM
Perhaps....

Then there is the theory that no matter what some people do, they will always be FUGLY...

 :D ;)

Just lurking but with such comments like that... I cannot believe that no one has failed to mention the obvious (they must be ignoring you), but you are not that cute to be making strong statements like that..you are okay but damn I could see if you looked like Janet Jackson but you have a picture with a tired wrap and a face that looks somewhat swollen. Is it just me?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 12, 2005, 09:50:59 PM
Yes, it's just you. Muse is a pretty girl and you're obviously some hater.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on May 13, 2005, 01:31:09 AM
Perhaps....

Then there is the theory that no matter what some people do, they will always be FUGLY...

 :D ;)

Just lurking but with such comments like that... I cannot believe that no one has failed to mention the obvious (they must be ignoring you), but you are not that cute to be making strong statements like that..you are okay but damn I could see if you looked like Janet Jackson but you have a picture with a tired wrap and a face that looks somewhat swollen. Is it just me?

Hahaha welcome to the boards Misha22. I find it ironic that your first post happens to be an attempt to diss me. Well my dear let me take the opportunity to break you in. Where are you going? What are your numbers and please post a picture of yourself (and I sure as hell hope that you are a dime piece to be making comments about my "tired wrap" and "swollen face").  My “tired wrap” was decent enough to take a picture after it suddenly rained on me. Can you do the same? Do you even have hair? Regardless of how I look I will say whatever I want when I get ready to. If you lurked on the boards long enough, you would know that most of my comments are in jest. Unfortunately you are too much of a TTT to realize that.  Nevertheless, I think simple broads like you are great for entertainment.

 It's 1am and I'm supposed to be up at 5am to get ready for graduation and work out my "tired wrap" and "swollen face". You are probably too much of a n-word #%@! to realize that my exotic features are due to my ethnic background. Travel a bit and you might see more “swollen faces” around dumb ass. I hope you aren’t a black person b/c if you are please do us all a favor and go back into your mother’s womb so she can abort you. Besides why do you care about my appearance anyway? Are you trying to f*ck me? If not then why do you care newbie?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on May 13, 2005, 02:21:32 AM
Wait a minute...who the f*ck are you?  If your need to say this is what brought you out of lurking, you must have a real inferiority complex. :'(

Are you one of those FUGLY people Muse was talking about?  Did she strike a chord?  It's okay.  BLSD can help you!  A little makeup and a hairdo may not make you cute but should take you from a 1 to a 3. :)

Perhaps....

Then there is the theory that no matter what some people do, they will always be FUGLY...

 :D ;)

Just lurking but with such comments like that... I cannot believe that no one has failed to mention the obvious (they must be ignoring you), but you are not that cute to be making strong statements like that..you are okay but damn I could see if you looked like Janet Jackson but you have a picture with a tired wrap and a face that looks somewhat swollen. Is it just me?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 13, 2005, 05:18:58 AM
Mobell....that was soo funny....

Muse you got your very own hater huh???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 13, 2005, 05:50:49 AM
I want my own personal hater. I want someone to hate on me other than RBG. >:( What? I'm not good enough to have a hater face? Today is hate HBC day!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 13, 2005, 06:02:25 AM
Don't you have enough haters, being a Morehouse man....You've heard the Morehouse  jokes.... ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 13, 2005, 06:05:39 AM
Don't you have enough haters, being a Morehouse man....You've heard the Morehouse  jokes.... ;)

Ha! Indeed. Perhaps I'll a hear a few more today  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 13, 2005, 06:14:21 AM
FAMU SUCKS!!! >:( >:(




Morehouse places second in the Honda All Star Quiz Bowl

Morehouse scholars take 2nd place in Annual Meeting of the Minds (2005 Honda All-Star Quiz Bowl Championship)

April 4, 2005

It came down to the following question:

"Although it's a member of the Organization of African Unity, neither of its national languages is African and most of its inhabitants consider themselves Indonesian.

Can you name this large island whose tongues are French and Malagasy and whose name is spelled with a lot of A's? "

The Answer -- Madagascar.

And with that the victory was given to FAMU's Michael Bartlett.

Knowing the answers to that question and many others helped Florida A&M University prevail for its sixth year Sunday as the 2005 champion in a brain bowl for historically black universities.

More than 300 students from 64 universities answer questions on world history, science, literature, religion, the arts, social sciences, popular culture and American History and culture to match wits at the Hilton Hotel in the Walt Disney World Resort.

By late Sunday morning, the Honda Campus All-Star Challenge had been weeded to two schools: Morehouse College and FAMU of Tallahassee, FL.
The FAMU team's four young men won two out of three rounds, earning 310 points in the last round to Morehouse's 185.

The students won a $50,000 grant for FAMU.

Last year, Morehouse won for the 4th time in 3 years.

2001 - Morehouse 1st Place
2002 - Morehouse 1st Place
2003 - Morehouse 2nd Place
2004 - Morehouse 1st Place
2005 - Morehouse 2nd Place

Team members say the payoff is the knowledge they accumulate and the pride they generate by showing off the intellectual prowess of students at historically black universities.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 13, 2005, 06:18:14 AM
elegant- Congrats on getting a law school at FAMU! I was happy to hear the news last year. I see you guys are moving towards full ABA approval. Seems like everything is working out fine. What are your thoughts on the school? talked to anyone who is a student there? 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 13, 2005, 06:29:44 AM
what's wrong with dating Republicans?  ???




I even dated a Republican...now that was interesting!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 13, 2005, 06:33:58 AM
Republicans are evil....though I dated one briefly in law school, an Alpha too...I'd like old dude, couldn't get next to his politics or lack of religion

HBCU don't make me kane you talking about those mighty, mighty Rattlers, who reside on the highest of 7 Hills in Tallahassee, FL

The law school is doing well. I have a soror who just graduated from there, she loved her experience. I am still peeved that it's not in Tallahassee, becaue the Legislature was wrong for what they did to FAMU LAW in 1968.  The "new" law school isn't new, its just they stopped funding the law school in 1968 when FSU's law school opened. Some of the old books in the stacks at FSU have FAMU College of Law on them...grrr..... The "legislative" compromise was to put the law school in Orlando.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 13, 2005, 06:37:17 AM
drop squad was that movie with eriq lasalle right? if so yeah..i saw it.. and damon wayans did go crazy at the end of bamboozled




Have you all seen DROP Squad and Bamboozled?? The Chappelle article made me think of Bamboozled...didn't old boy go crazy in that movie too???


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 13, 2005, 06:38:57 AM
Reign, yep Drop Squad had Eriq Lasalle....wasn't that move good?? I want to drop some folks I see/interact with.

Bamboozled was disturbing, "N****** is a beautiful thing"
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 13, 2005, 06:41:42 AM
Republicans are evil....though I dated one briefly in law school, an Alpha too...I'd like old dude, couldn't get next to his politics or lack of religion

HBCU don't make me kane you talking about those mighty, mighty Rattlers, who reside on the highest of 7 Hills in Tallahassee, FL

The law school is doing well. I have a soror who just graduated from there, she loved her experience. I am still peeved that it's not in Tallahassee, becaue the Legislature was wrong for what they did to FAMU LAW in 1968.  The "new" law school isn't new, its just they stopped funding the law school in 1968 when FSU's law school opened. Some of the old books in the stacks at FSU have FAMU College of Law on them...grrr..... The "legislative" compromise was to put the law school in Orlando.


Yeah. I knew it was "new". I did a little research on their website and I was surprised that it was not in tallahassee. But, what the freak is there to coompromise? That school schould be on the main campus man. That sucks. Anyway, I'm glad the school is up again and that your soror had a good time there. She must be very proud to be one of the first to graduate from the "new" school. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 13, 2005, 06:48:03 AM
my love is a republican...he's not evil :'(

drop squad was good..i don't remember it that well..but i loved the fact that they chained him to a chair and made him watch those movies..





Republicans are evil....though I dated one briefly in law school, an Alpha too...I'd like old dude, couldn't get next to his politics or lack of religion

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 13, 2005, 06:54:36 AM
I am evil! >:( I remember telling my dad that I am a republican and he said "son, if you grew up in my day you would not be a republican" I said "Dad, you are probably right."

my love is a republican...he's not evil :'(

drop squad was good..i don't remember it that well..but i loved the fact that they chained him to a chair and made him watch those movies..





Republicans are evil....though I dated one briefly in law school, an Alpha too...I'd like old dude, couldn't get next to his politics or lack of religion

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 13, 2005, 06:58:46 AM
trust..if u were evil..u'd be alone ;)



I am evil! >:( I remember telling my dad that I am a republican and he said "son, if you grew up in my day you would not be a republican" I said "Dad, you are probably right."



Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 13, 2005, 07:15:17 AM
No! You would just join the dark side.


trust..if u were evil..u'd be alone ;)



I am evil! >:( I remember telling my dad that I am a republican and he said "son, if you grew up in my day you would not be a republican" I said "Dad, you are probably right."



Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 13, 2005, 07:19:32 AM
never that.. i keep you grounded...just look around the board.. you've changed for the better since my arrival ;D



No! You would just join the dark side.


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 13, 2005, 07:23:01 AM
still sucks, but yah, he's better.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 13, 2005, 07:26:19 AM
this is true.  ;)

never that.. i keep you grounded...just look around the board.. you've changed for the better since my arrival ;D



No! You would just join the dark side.


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 13, 2005, 07:28:34 AM
See. This is the new new blsd and blk is on the board now so I just have to take it when people talk to me like this. well, I guess I don't now that I think of it (snicker)

still sucks, but yah, he's better.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on May 13, 2005, 07:31:22 AM
LOL - now I know who you look like! You look like Pootie Tang except your hair isn't in a ponytail!

Sa da tay!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 13, 2005, 07:32:36 AM
Not Pootie Tang..that was such an awful movie...why is Chris Rock allowed to make movies...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 13, 2005, 07:45:28 AM
 ???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 13, 2005, 03:29:37 PM
Hi Brave..

I don't see the point in Black people joining IFC/PHC organizations because unlike NPHC organizations, your association basically (not entirely) ends after college.  NPHC organizations you can go on to work for your organization for the next 50 years, making contacts and having a visible prescence in the community. 

Personally, I found some of the other organizations annoying because everytime there was a joint NPHC-IFC/PHC event at UF, the non-black groups wanted us to "step"...I am like whoa...this isnt a minestral show...we aren't here to entertain..you step. 

What is MECCA? I am not familiar with that term.

I went to a HBCU undergrad so my interactions with non-NPHC organizations were slight. But in law school, I had a chance to interact with other groups. I had some cool buddys that were Delta Chi, Zeta, Delta Gamma, Phi Delt, etc. I think the problem is just our organizations have different traditions/missions so its sometimes hard for one group to understand the other.

I think minorities "congregate" with each other because it feels comfortable. I know at my law school someone made a comment "why do all the black people sit together" my response was "why do all the white people sit together and no one says a thing about that". We sit together because we are comfy with each other. There were 30 black people in my class of 200, so we felt like we had to stick together and look out for each other.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 14, 2005, 07:04:41 AM
You know the irony is that there are a few fraternities on some PWI campuses that have become part of the IFC.. the Alphas @ UVA are a part of the IFC – and of course the NPHC has something to say about that…

I’m not saying that White Fraternities/Sororities don’t have purpose but  the stigma that goes along with them (especially the frats) are that they party hard… hard.. keggers etc… crazy hazing situations (interesting that back in 1990 it was a white organization that got the pledging process banned but I digress)

Brave got the term MECCA from me.. it’s a term referencing Howard University since so many of our beloved organizations were founded on their campus…


You guys already know that I went to a PWI and greek life around those parts were fairly large.. there were a lot of white fraternities/sororities on the yard and I remember seeing things from people dragging dorm beds in the middle of the quad to guys running up and down the hall way naked screaming- that sh*t used to piss me off FYI… to the girls getting all dolled up for their rush and whenver the bid came through for them (y did it always seem like 3 in the morning  >:( ) I’d find a bunch of sorority girls at my door asking for my roommate…

Our orgs definitely have different missions and principles but it seems that the service aspect of white fraternities/sororities isn’t prevalent to the common eye.. whereas we pride ourselves in dedication to service you know?


We congregate together because we HAVE to.. same reason that most white people wouldn’t dare apply to a historically black college or university.. they don’t want to be the MINORITY in any situation… we have no choice in this country.. and no fear in that regard because it’s all we know.. so when we see another person of African descent we tend to gravitate towards them.. that doesn’t mean that we limit ourselves or that we’re not interested in getting to know people of other ethnicities.. black people have to stick together in a predominantly white country like the US..

Think about it Brave.. we don’t have a problem dealing with racial relations.. or communicating with people from different backgrounds than we come from.. but look around LSD for example.. take a look at yourself for example.. You don’t know what to say to us… the majority of the white people on this site don’t even enter this discussion board with anything to say.. but they Do lurkhmm what are the black folks talking bout today..  ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on May 14, 2005, 07:41:45 AM
The Kappas at my school are a part of the IFC.  I know the Alphas at UVA, and BLK is SOOO right--they catch it because they are a part of it too. 

Honestly, no one at my school really said anything about the Kappas joining the IFC because they don't do anything.  Panhell doesn't do anything.  All Greek Council doesn't do anything.  (Sadly, the Black Greeks haven't even had the NPHC for a whole year, so they don't do much either.)  Everyone is more about doing what their particular organization does--ALONE.  There are not a lot of collaborations (or none that require a lot of time, planning, or talk of splitting the profit).  The meetings are pointless. 

What I've noticed with white frats and sororities is pretty similar to BLK as well.  About 50% of the guys are in frats and nearly 75%-80% of the girls.  "Pledge night" for the girls--they go around to NUMEROUS parties and try to see who can "make-out" with the most guys!  (It's SOOOO disgusting.)  It's so bad that people put up flyers about catching mono and how the girls should try to be safe during the week of "pledge night."  The campus is a "wet" campus, and I've talked to a number of guys in white frats who said that they have to use beer in order to recruit.  And that is pretty sad.

We congregate because--that's where we feel comfortable.  (Just like BLK said.)  However, there are some blacks who don't talk to the "rest" of us--they only associate with the white students.  (As in, if you see them in passing, they don't speak.)  There aren't many of us here anyway, so it's impossible for us not to encounter someone of a different ethnic, religious, political, etc. background.  I can truly say that the black students have the people skills to be able to associate with all types of people. 

As for the international fraternity, those who are interested in Black Greek Organizations do not participate in formal rush because our organizations don't.  We don't have bids or smokers.  And in addition to that, our organizations are for life.  They are supposed to help us remain dedicated to the community through service--beyond college.  My understanding is that white fraternities and sororities don't stress this during formal rush or even while members are a part of the chapter.  After graduation, the majority no longer work with their organizations.  I don't know how you can stress this with your particular organization, Brave.  :-\  But if you want to get more black students, formal rush is not the way to go.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on May 14, 2005, 09:00:04 AM
The Deltas on my campus joined Panhellenic.  Not an insider so I don't know what NPHC had to say about it, but it was a smart move because they were the ONLY really active Black Greek on campus and lots of times were completely left out of the wider Greek loop.  A good friend of mine was DST's rep to Panhell and seemed to think it was very beneficial to the organization.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 14, 2005, 09:10:24 AM
I'm sorry.. I didn't realize it was a campus organization :-[



I actually didn't get MECCA from you, BLK.  We have a group on campus called MECCA.  For the life of me, I can't remember what it stands for.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 14, 2005, 09:15:38 AM
Is MECCA your school's Black Student Union???

A lot of this is foreign to me, because the greek experience at a HBCU is soo different. I would wager most NPHC greeks at my school couldn't name three of the white greek organizations if they had to.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 14, 2005, 09:19:07 AM
Unless you're greek isn't the only way that you're going to know about what goes on on campus is through fliers? I'm just saying that the NPHC on campus still operates under the Office of Campus Life- Greek Life department



I agree that it can help, too.  As a IFC rep, I knew everything that was going on around campus -- other than much of what the black fraternities and sororities were doing.  The only way anyone knew they had an event was if you managed to see a flyer for it.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 17, 2005, 11:30:53 AM
I guess I can agree with this article.



By Jocelyn Stamps
Black College Wire

Jackson State University's Panhellenic Council has imposed a membership cap of 50 new members on the eight active fraternities and sororities on campus.

According to Cathy Patterson, coordinator of Greek affairs at the Jackson, Miss., school, the council voted during the fall semester to limit the number of members an organization can admit during the intake process. Each active fraternity and sorority has a representative on the council, and the measure is now part of the Panhellenic Council constitution.

"The Pan Council felt that this number was more manageable and would foster the development of more brotherly and sisterly relationships," Patterson said.

She said other colleges and universities were surveyed to determine which ones have membership limits and how they had been affected. "Some schools are happy with the caps and some are not, but it is something that other HBCUs do," Patterson said.

Panhellenic representatives were not asked how they voted, but some of their members were clearly vocal about the limit.

James Gordon, an elementary education major from Colewater, Miss., and a member of Phi Beta Sigma fraternity, said that, "If there are more than 50 people that are qualified and are in good standing with the university, they should not be denied the right to participate."

Ashley Davis, a member of Delta Sigma Theta sorority and a biology/pre-med major from Natchez, Miss., agreed. "There may be more than 50 that are qualified and if I were in that number, I wouldn't want to be overlooked because of a cap and I knew I had what it takes," she said.

LaRicky Robinson, a Zeta Phi Beta sorority member, said: "More females are interested in pledging than males, and if 60 people wanted to pledge and were qualified, we would take them." Robinson is an elementary education major from Canton, Miss.

John Swope, an English major from Phoenix, and the only member of Iota Phi Theta fraternity at Jackson State, said he felt such decisions should be left up to the individual organization.

However, several members of other Greek organizations said they were ambivalent about the limit because they traditionally have a small number of members and would be unaffected.

"The value of our fraternity is not in numbers, but in men," said James Jones, an English major from St. Louis and a member of Omega Psi Phi fraternity.

Bennie Crayton, a member of Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity, said the membership limit was a good idea for some sororities known for their large numbers.

"From a male standpoint, the cap has no bearing on us. It is good for females -- it will help them narrow things down," Crayton said. "It's not good to have large numbers. A group loses its luster with large numbers."

Non-Greek students also had mixed feelings.

"Fifty is a pretty decent number to stop at," said Darrian Billups, a broadcast journalism student from Dallas. I don't feel it is right, though, to disregard a person who meets the qualifications based on a cap."

Talamieka McNeil, a graduate student from Jackson, said, "I think 50 is a good number because it creates competition among pledges and leaves a better pool of candidates to choose from. In addition, it will make those who don't make the initial cut work harder and reevaluate themselves."

Membership intake activities must take place between Jan. 10 and Feb. 21.

The active groups at Jackson State are Alpha Kappa Alpha, Delta Sigma Theta, Zeta Phi Beta, Sigma Gamma Rho, Alpha Phi Alpha, Phi Beta Sigma, Omega Psi Phi and Iota Phi Theta. Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity is inactive on the campus.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: kloud9nupe on May 17, 2005, 12:03:11 PM
I went to JSU and this will only affect the sororities. These days, you just can't  get to many people that are down for the process.

I guess I can agree with this article.



By Jocelyn Stamps
Black College Wire

Jackson State University's Panhellenic Council has imposed a membership cap of 50 new members on the eight active fraternities and sororities on campus.

According to Cathy Patterson, coordinator of Greek affairs at the Jackson, Miss., school, the council voted during the fall semester to limit the number of members an organization can admit during the intake process. Each active fraternity and sorority has a representative on the council, and the measure is now part of the Panhellenic Council constitution.

"The Pan Council felt that this number was more manageable and would foster the development of more brotherly and sisterly relationships," Patterson said.

She said other colleges and universities were surveyed to determine which ones have membership limits and how they had been affected. "Some schools are happy with the caps and some are not, but it is something that other HBCUs do," Patterson said.

Panhellenic representatives were not asked how they voted, but some of their members were clearly vocal about the limit.

James Gordon, an elementary education major from Colewater, Miss., and a member of Phi Beta Sigma fraternity, said that, "If there are more than 50 people that are qualified and are in good standing with the university, they should not be denied the right to participate."

Ashley Davis, a member of Delta Sigma Theta sorority and a biology/pre-med major from Natchez, Miss., agreed. "There may be more than 50 that are qualified and if I were in that number, I wouldn't want to be overlooked because of a cap and I knew I had what it takes," she said.

LaRicky Robinson, a Zeta Phi Beta sorority member, said: "More females are interested in pledging than males, and if 60 people wanted to pledge and were qualified, we would take them." Robinson is an elementary education major from Canton, Miss.

John Swope, an English major from Phoenix, and the only member of Iota Phi Theta fraternity at Jackson State, said he felt such decisions should be left up to the individual organization.

However, several members of other Greek organizations said they were ambivalent about the limit because they traditionally have a small number of members and would be unaffected.

"The value of our fraternity is not in numbers, but in men," said James Jones, an English major from St. Louis and a member of Omega Psi Phi fraternity.

Bennie Crayton, a member of Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity, said the membership limit was a good idea for some sororities known for their large numbers.

"From a male standpoint, the cap has no bearing on us. It is good for females -- it will help them narrow things down," Crayton said. "It's not good to have large numbers. A group loses its luster with large numbers."

Non-Greek students also had mixed feelings.

"Fifty is a pretty decent number to stop at," said Darrian Billups, a broadcast journalism student from Dallas. I don't feel it is right, though, to disregard a person who meets the qualifications based on a cap."

Talamieka McNeil, a graduate student from Jackson, said, "I think 50 is a good number because it creates competition among pledges and leaves a better pool of candidates to choose from. In addition, it will make those who don't make the initial cut work harder and reevaluate themselves."

Membership intake activities must take place between Jan. 10 and Feb. 21.

The active groups at Jackson State are Alpha Kappa Alpha, Delta Sigma Theta, Zeta Phi Beta, Sigma Gamma Rho, Alpha Phi Alpha, Phi Beta Sigma, Omega Psi Phi and Iota Phi Theta. Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity is inactive on the campus.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 17, 2005, 12:15:40 PM
Of course it’ll affect the sororities.. any time you have well over 400 women attending a rush.. um.. interest meeting you can’t just say.. “hmm I’ll take six of you”

I don’t think that the university has a right to step in and cap lines personally….i believe that should be left to the individual organization’s national headquarters
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 17, 2005, 05:06:42 PM
I do think caps are needed because graduate chapters will push to get a lot of folks on line. At my rush 500 girls showed up, we took 54. Didn't have another line for 2 years.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on May 23, 2005, 01:00:43 PM
http://www.sigma-pi-phi.net/

I know I'll really be cool if I can get in the Boule. Perhaps they will call me one day.  ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on May 23, 2005, 01:09:21 PM
perhaps not  :D


http://www.sigma-pi-phi.net/

I know I'll really be cool if I can get in the Boule. Perhaps they will call me one day.  ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on May 23, 2005, 05:28:03 PM
You'll a little young for the Boule, Miami is the only chapter that is comprised primarily of  members in their early 30s.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 01, 2005, 09:40:00 AM
The Kappas at my school are a part of the IFC.  I know the Alphas at UVA, and BLK is SOOO right--they catch it because they are a part of it too. 




I know I'm a day late and a dollar short but for what its worth, Kappa Alpha Psi is one of the 2 NPHC groups that is actually affiliated with both the NPHC and the IFC on a national level.  Iota Phi Theta is also a member of both on the national level.

We had entertained the thought at our undergrad for a minute since our national body is a member of both, but the IFC at our school was just too, well...you know.  Our NPHC was strong so everybody actually wanted to be a part of it, including the latino groups who we eventually took into our fold after a while.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: funnyfunny on June 01, 2005, 12:50:38 PM
SKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEE!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Any Sorors out there? ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 01, 2005, 04:15:15 PM
Sorors are defintely in the house......20  Pearls!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on June 01, 2005, 05:16:04 PM
SKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Any Sorors out there? ;D

Dayum blk. Do deltas go to law school? :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 01, 2005, 08:28:44 PM
 >:( A Soror is the new president of NBLSA thank you very much...




Dayum blk. Do deltas go to law school? :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 02, 2005, 03:59:30 AM
I wonder if there are more NPHC sorority members who are attorneys or more NPHC fraternity members???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 02, 2005, 09:28:43 AM
that's a good question.. i never really thought of that...


I wonder if there are more NPHC sorority members who are attorneys or more NPHC fraternity members???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on June 02, 2005, 09:50:29 AM
(http://www.dzbantu.com/Bros_softball_champs.jpg)

No thanks.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on June 02, 2005, 09:58:33 AM
(http://www.dzbantu.com/juanandnick.jpg)

Is there a paper bag test I'm unaware of?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 02, 2005, 10:01:00 AM
I wonder if there are more NPHC sorority members who are attorneys or more NPHC fraternity members???

Since we're posting pic's of Kappas, here ya go:

(http://www.cochranfirm.com/_memphis/images/bio-cochran3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 02, 2005, 10:04:02 AM

Is there a paper bag test I'm unaware of?


Actually you're right, there was.  There was a time in history when cats were chosen via the "paper bag test."  Sounds crazy right?  Primarily at Howard around the early 1900's, if you look at the photos from the archives you'll see that the greeks were pretty color struck back then.  Some still are, but not like back then.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 02, 2005, 10:07:23 AM
even back in the early 1900s it depended on the org.. ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 02, 2005, 10:14:15 AM
yup.  that was a lot of the influence for "School Daze" and the battle between the "jigaboos" and the "wannabees".  "Good" and "Bad" hair.  Black folk I tell ya.


Have ya'll ever met Dr. Walter Kimbrough?  He breaks it down pretty well on this topic.


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 02, 2005, 10:22:46 AM
never met him but I do have Black Greek 101.. excellent read..there's another book that talks about hazing in black fraternities..can't think of the title offhand
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 11:31:11 AM
I would have failed the paper bag test.  :D

BROWN SKIN IS IN! Hot dog masta has given us negros some rights now!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 02, 2005, 11:57:22 AM
Sands would have passed any paper bag test.. :-*
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 02, 2005, 12:20:58 PM
man..seriously... can i get one Soror  in here?  :'(


save the lavia jokes >:(
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 12:22:59 PM
Oh blq that's your SAWRAH!

GIve her some of the elephant love!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 02, 2005, 12:24:59 PM
The better question would be, where are the Nupes' sisters, the SGRhos???  Indiana Love
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 02, 2005, 12:29:16 PM
i need evidence that she wasn't a perp... since she was here before me.. all i have are words to go by  :D

Oh blq that's your SAWRAH!

GIve her some of the elephant love!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 12:30:58 PM
Maybe she was....maybe she wasn't...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: comebackkid on June 02, 2005, 02:03:27 PM
The better question would be, where are the Nupes' sisters, the SGRhos???  Indiana Love

LOL...Sisters!?!  My chapter only claimed the ones who looked good and they were hard to find.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 02:07:32 PM
Come back kid, where do you attend school at?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 02, 2005, 02:07:55 PM
Oh blq that's your SAWRAH!

GIve her some of the elephant love!
LOL! You are Funny! But since when is it not OK for folks to have issues, I think the ones that have issues need to be in organizations, so maybe they can get some help and support, but we are not immune, they are always exceptions, I mean Ive heard that there are some sane ques, haven't met that many ;D We have issues alot of times as black men, and Im glad my organization has surrounded me with a suport system, to address them, and better ourselve, thus improving the Black community as a whole.
Plus, Trust me when I tell you there are some crazay!! AKA's
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 02:10:29 PM
I know AKAs are crazy...Trust me. Personal experience. Muahahaha.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 02, 2005, 02:12:48 PM
The better question would be, where are the Nupes' sisters, the SGRhos???  Indiana Love

LOL...Sisters!?!  My chapter only claimed the ones who looked good and they were hard to find.

Oh LAAAAAAWD!!! NOT ANOTHA ONE!! LOL
Eventually we claimed them all, depending what time of the night it was,who would see, and if we needed anything.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 02:14:48 PM
The above post is the reason why I don't date greek men when they are still in undergrad.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: comebackkid on June 02, 2005, 02:17:49 PM
Come back kid, where do you attend school at?

Muse - I went to Stanford for undergrad and will be at UGA in August.
Not dating greeks in undergrad is probably smart, although good ones (like myself) did exist.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 02:20:16 PM
AWw cool. I just graduated from USC. Congrats.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: comebackkid on June 02, 2005, 02:25:55 PM
It's good to see the west coast reppin!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 02, 2005, 02:26:20 PM
well you know we're all about Mental Health and Awareness :D

Oh blq that's your SAWRAH!

GIve her some of the elephant love!
LOL! You are Funny! But since when is it not OK for folks to have issues, I think the ones that have issues need to be in organizations, so maybe they can get some help and support, but we are not immune, they are always exceptions, I mean Ive heard that there are some sane ques, haven't met that many ;D We have issues alot of times as black men, and Im glad my organization has surrounded me with a suport system, to address them, and better ourselve, thus improving the Black community as a whole.
Plus, Trust me when I tell you there are some crazay!! AKA's
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 02, 2005, 02:33:17 PM
Come back kid, where do you attend school at?

Muse - I went to Stanford for undergrad and will be at UGA in August.
Not dating greeks in undergrad is probably smart, although good ones (like myself) did exist.

So what factors made you decide to attend UGA? Or for that matter go down south?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: comebackkid on June 02, 2005, 02:43:19 PM
Come back kid, where do you attend school at?

Muse - I went to Stanford for undergrad and will be at UGA in August.
Not dating greeks in undergrad is probably smart, although good ones (like myself) did exist.

So what factors made you decide to attend UGA? Or for that matter go down south?

For me - money was really important.  I don't want to be in debt.  It also seems like a school that cares about the black students.  I've had the BLSA president and other faculty call just to answer questions.  I'm originally from Houston so Georgia will be an easy transition.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 02:44:35 PM
I'm sure you'll do fine. Debt is no joke...Right RBG?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 02, 2005, 03:51:04 PM
man..seriously... can i get one Soror  in here?  :'(


save the lavia jokes >:(


Yo, on the real, I don't know what the deal is on this board but at NBLSA the Deltas were runnin it.  No BS  Omegaman can vouch, just about every other sister up there was a Delta.  In my class there are 4 sisters who are greek and 3/4 are Deltas.

Well reign, has finished, but the Sorors I imagine are handling Business and probably dont have the time to post on the board especially, with all of the serious business that they have to do, families ect. ect. Law review, Moot court, trial, arguing before the supreme court, federal court, court of appeals. presiding over trials as Judges in federal, State and city courts. dealing with all of that drama in those Vault top 100 firms, And Chairing NBLSA, but if they weren't busy with all of that, I imagine that they'd be posting
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 04:12:16 PM
I guarantee you guys that will all change soon enough Muhahahaha.

Deltas Meltas...hmph!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 04:19:22 PM
Soror why are you having a hard week?  Another big case coming up?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 04:19:50 PM

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Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 02, 2005, 04:25:44 PM
Eww that doesn't sound fun....
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on June 02, 2005, 05:47:53 PM

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Did I mess that up?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on June 02, 2005, 07:38:39 PM
I'm sure you'll do fine. Debt is no joke...Right RBG?

Man, I just peeped this, fukk you!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 03, 2005, 06:41:42 AM
 :D :D :D



I'm sure you'll do fine. Debt is no joke...Right RBG?

Man, I just peeped this, fukk you!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 03, 2005, 08:49:43 AM
Greeks.. how do you feel/react

when you meet frat or sorors that are from a different ethnic background?

when you met frat/sorors that are openly gay?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on June 03, 2005, 09:06:11 AM
Greeks.. how do you feel/react

when you meet frat or sorors that are from a different ethnic background?

when you met frat/sorors that are openly gay?

I'm going to be a good boy today and keep my comments to myself. I have the ability to really hurt the feelings of future attorneys.  :(
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 03, 2005, 09:21:59 AM
Greeks.. how do you feel/react

when you meet frat or sorors that are from a different ethnic background?

when you met frat/sorors that are openly gay?


this is mad common in Cali.  When I was out in LA I think I met about a dozen or so cats who were Somoan, Latino, Hawaiian, etc. before I met my first "black" greek.  I react to them the same way I react to other bruhs: I hit you up, either directly or subtly, and if you know your stuff then we cool.  If not, I say "have a good day" and keep it rollin.

This is an interesting question b/c I think it shows your understanding of your org.  Not everybody is goin to be like you exactly, but that's family.

About 10 years ago, if I ran into a "paper" bruh who didn't pledge and skated in through the "intake process" by signing his name on the line and paying a fee, I wasn't messing him. No greeting, no grip, no respect.  That's just how it was.  NOW I've seen that you can't be like that.  You have to be tolerant to everybody in your group because they all make up your organization.  The real question that applies here is "WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THE FRAT NOW?"  Because I've seen cats who pledged harder than anybody who aren't worth a damn, sit around all day and just wear a T-shirt at the parties.  And on the flip side, I've seen paper bruhs who come in and put in MAD work for the Frat, showing up early to every community service project and everything.

So I think the answer to your question is to show respect to that member of your org. regardless of their background or how they came in.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 03, 2005, 11:59:41 AM
I don't have a problem with an individual of a different race in my org...My issue is with ghost/renegades. They are the ones who cause the problems in my eyes.
(Well in Cali at least)

I suppose the issue of race doesn't phase me since I'm in California and people of other races are interested in BGLOs. Out of all the organizations I've noticed the Kappas and Sigmas are the most diverse.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 03, 2005, 12:03:14 PM
you guys have ignored the second part of my question :D :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 03, 2005, 12:07:32 PM
A gay soror...hmm Ugh Blq remember that story I would you about Dominguz and Northridge? Nuff said.

Personally it doesn't bother me as long as your aren't being obnxious about your sexuality. In other words don't flaunt it or be a dike (sorry if I offended anyone). I know tons of sorors who have a problem with homosexuals in the org b/c we were founded on Christian Principles which looks down upon the gay lifestyle. But I pose this question, if we are founded on Christian Principles shouldn't other behavior be criticized as well? What about the guys who run trains on girls or the women who sleep around? That's not very Christian like is it?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 03, 2005, 12:24:00 PM
nor is fornication a Christian principle.. but that's a different conversation for a different day  :D

anyway.. i posed the question because I remember going home when I was a Neo and I met an Asian soror from Japan... I remember the look on other Sorors faces.. I won't lie..my mouth dropped but I definitely showed her deference and respect..

as far as gay/lesbians are concerned..it really doesn't matter to me either as long as you're putting in the work of the organization and upholding the principles thereof...

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 03, 2005, 12:25:33 PM
Interesting...very interesting....but you remember the story about those two schools right..Skeet skeet.   ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 03, 2005, 12:26:53 PM
I know, I'm holding on for the weekend so I can veg the entire 2 days.

girl, you are going to be alright.  Maybe you're right though, maybe you need to head back to the Feds cause I ain't heard you this unhappy in a minute.

Between your frat brother and my billables, I literally could kick the stuffing out of someone.  I know, wasn't I care free say in 2002-03???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 03, 2005, 12:32:37 PM

i feel your pain pearl... trust me i do..though we aren't dealing with the same issues.. i feel like literally beating some old folks down back in chicago right now..

i need to detox



Between your frat brother and my billables, I literally could kick the stuffing out of someone.  I know, wasn't I care free say in 2002-03???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 03, 2005, 12:34:54 PM
Blq you should come to switzerland   ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 03, 2005, 12:40:21 PM
I'lll settle for a wekeend in Destin; I'm supposedly going next weekend. I'm sleeping all weekend....I am not leaving the house at all this weekend.  I know they say you can't catch up on rest, but I am going to try. ;D

Reign, you are too nice to kick anyone..

Muse, I wish I had vacation time like that....you know you can't vacation like that post law school.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 03, 2005, 12:42:02 PM
Whatever do you mean? I'll be working..  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 03, 2005, 12:43:43 PM

maybe to kick but what about an accidental trip down the steps? :D



Reign, you are too nice to kick anyone..
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 03, 2005, 07:34:46 PM
Reign that is funny...

To the question how do I feel about other races, as long as they are representing the organization correctly, I have no problem. As long  as they realize its not "just for college."

As far as homosexuals, once again, as long as they are representing the organization properly.  Just as you don't want a heterosexual "ho" in your chapter you wouldn't want a homosexual one either. If they handle themselves correctly, then their personal life isn't my concern. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 03, 2005, 10:19:38 PM
Greeks.. how do you feel/react

when you meet frat or sorors that are from a different ethnic background?

when you met frat/sorors that are openly gay?

As far as the first part; to me they're bruhs, in Colorado we had a bruh made back in the day, that was Samoan, good bruh.And Id met a white soror at the Black ski summit, I was working the door at the Que party,the sorors proceded to walk in free, Id thought I ask her about the Colemans, she was like Mufuka, you weren't my dean. Bruhs fell out laughing. when As far as the second part Ill let the Kappas and the Alphas take that one ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 04, 2005, 11:27:29 AM
Omega, don't trip, no fraternity can say we have no gay men...a trip to Atlanta will change that thinking quickly.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on June 04, 2005, 11:47:43 AM
http://www.ehacked.com/front_page/articles/ghetto_wedding

This is what me and blk's wedding is gonna look like. Kremson and Kream love.  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 04, 2005, 11:52:31 AM
I doubt Reign will allow you to plan any aspect of the wedding...lol.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 04, 2005, 12:13:02 PM
I finally looked at all those pictures...why were the glasses that big...and that cake...awful
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on June 04, 2005, 12:18:35 PM
I finally looked at all those pictures...why were the glasses that big...and that cake...awful

OMG! That cake man!? Wow lol. I'll see if I can get blk to wear that dress thouhg....the loooon one.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 04, 2005, 12:19:10 PM
so now you want to be accidentally pushed down the stairs too? >:(

no crimson and cream weddings here...


http://www.ehacked.com/front_page/articles/ghetto_wedding

This is what me and blk's wedding is gonna look like. Kremson and Kream love.  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 04, 2005, 12:21:29 PM
that was too much red and white...the ice sculpture with the pecans and hot sauce....priceless
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on June 04, 2005, 12:24:34 PM
that was too much red and white...the ice sculpture with the pecans and hot sauce....priceless

Pecans and hot sauce under and ice sculpture. I mean, you can't make that up. you gotta love our people man. That damn school buss though LOL. :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 04, 2005, 12:27:08 PM
http://www.hotghettomess.com/hgmframeset.htm
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 04, 2005, 12:28:26 PM
(http://www.hotghettomess.com/weave.jpg)

awful
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 04, 2005, 12:31:25 PM
sad thing is.. they thought that was the hot *&^% :'(

that was too much red and white...the ice sculpture with the pecans and hot sauce....priceless

Pecans and hot sauce under and ice sculpture. I mean, you can't make that up. you gotta love our people man. That damn school buss though LOL. :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on June 04, 2005, 02:02:21 PM
http://www.ehacked.com/front_page/articles/ghetto_wedding

This is what me and blk's wedding is gonna look like. Kremson and Kream love.  :D

when are you guys getting married?  I want to add it to my calendar
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 04, 2005, 02:11:21 PM
in due time


http://www.ehacked.com/front_page/articles/ghetto_wedding

This is what me and blk's wedding is gonna look like. Kremson and Kream love.  :D

when are you guys getting married?  I want to add it to my calendar
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on June 04, 2005, 04:08:49 PM
Back again... :P

The wedding was a HOT mess.  Nuff said.  (Someone should've told them that it wasn't CUTE.  I wish I could hear the music from the reception and during the wedding.)

To answer the questions, I love all of my sorors no matter what race.  Homosexuality...well...what you do behind closed doors is your business. 

Interestingly, this was actually an issue for the Deltas at my campus this past spring.  One of the ladies that crossed was openly gay--athlete, cornrows, not feminine at all.  She's a nice girl, but some of the old heads had a problem with her bein' in the sorority.  They were disrespectful to her girlfriend at the roll-out.     :-\ (They claimed they didn't want anyone in the sorority who wore boxers.)  Tsk tsk.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 04, 2005, 04:11:33 PM
i was wondering where you went off too  :D

your story sounds like this AKA from Howard...man I remember people were shocked..especially when she was smoking black and milds near the plot  :D :D :D


Back again... :P


To answer the questions, I love all of my sorors no matter what race.  Homosexuality...well...what you do behind closed doors is your business. 

Interestingly, this was actually an issue for the Deltas at my campus this past spring.  One of the ladies that crossed was openly gay--athlete, cornrows, not feminine at all.  She's a nice girl, but some of the old heads had a problem with her bein' in the sorority.  They were disrespectful to her girlfriend at the roll-out.     :-\ (They claimed they didn't want anyone in the sorority who wore boxers.)  Tsk tsk.


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 04, 2005, 05:01:47 PM
Omega, don't trip, no fraternity can say we have no gay men...a trip to Atlanta will change that thinking quickly.

The quetsion was "open". But you know you cant take anything i say seriously when it comes to commenting on Kappas and Alphas. As far as Atlanta, hmmmm, so maybe thats why bruhs was getting their UG chapter snatched from Morehouse trying to prevent that. But we know these organizations aren't immune from issues that happen in the Black community. Ive neva heard of an "Openly" gay Que. But if I did,it wouldn't shock me,people have their own privacy, and after you deal with issues that arise in Prisons where privacy is eliminated, nothing becomes shocking anymore. When I found out that some of these issues were in the Muslim community, that was a little shocking at first. but you get over it. I brotha told me 1 time about the isssue, "S!@t how you gonna call yourself, a Super-Crip, walking around with hickies on your neck, in love with anotha man". From these experiences ive learned that omegaman needs to just worry about and focus on omegaman's issues.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 04, 2005, 05:45:22 PM
I hear that..,...I knew you weren't serious, I wasn't serious either, I was teasing you Omega, jokey jokey....
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 04, 2005, 06:04:22 PM
I hear that..,...I knew you weren't serious, I wasn't serious either, I was teasing you Omega, jokey jokey....

Bet! I just dont offend folks on purpose, as you can see of late. some folks get real sensitive about things on this board. But I respect organizations like the Alpha's and kappa's, Morehouse. they are far ahead of the rest of the black community when it comes to tolerance and acceptance. Shown by the fact the brothas can be apart of those organizations, and feel comfortable to be open and honest about being  gay. I admit admit ques dont have this, tolerance. But its not going to be a priority anytime soon.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 05, 2005, 04:04:19 PM
Speaking of Christian Principles....

Warning: Vent alert...

So I rolled to a Kappa party at their house last night with a few of my girls right? Everything was cool, had a fantastic time etc... Well towards the end of the night they had a "bikini" contest. Hmm well funny how there were no bikinis so they picked these hood rat ghetto chicken heads to be in the contest. Why did these girls proceed to get naked and shake it up for the kappas. To make matters worse they were allowing these kappas to squeeze and suck on their breasts while filming all of this. I was so appauled by the behavior that was displayed last night. I don't blame the Kappas because they didn't force these women to degrade themsleves like that in public. What were they thinking letting these dudes put their mouths all over them and FILM this sort of behavior? Oh top of that the females had some national geographic breasts   :P. From what I heard the winner of the contest had a train ran on her afterwards. My question to the guys is that why do some men feel the need to particpate in those kind of activities?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on June 05, 2005, 06:21:47 PM
Speaking of Christian Principles....

Warning: Vent alert...

So I rolled to a Kappa party at their house last night with a few of my girls right? Everything was cool, had a fantastic time etc... Well towards the end of the night they had a "bikini" contest. Hmm well funny how there were no bikinis so they picked these hood rat ghetto chicken heads to be in the contest. Why did these girls proceed to get naked and shake it up for the kappas. To make matters worse they were allowing these kappas to squeeze and suck on their breasts while filming all of this. I was so appauled by the behavior that was displayed last night. I don't blame the Kappas because they didn't force these women to degrade themsleves like that in public. What were they thinking letting these dudes put their mouths all over them and FILM this sort of behavior? Oh top of that the females had some national geographic breasts   :P. From what I heard the winner of the contest had a train ran on her afterwards. My question to the guys is that why do some men feel the need to particpate in those kind of activities?

It takes two to tango you know. I would say that some guys participate because some girls give them the opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 05, 2005, 07:17:38 PM
That's true....one of my good friends lived in the frat house his neo year and there was a stream of females willing to do anything to be done at the house at all times of the day and/or night. Not making excuses, but young men are going to do as much as you let them do...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: iwantin on June 07, 2005, 08:48:45 PM
They're all just pathetic if you ask me...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 07, 2005, 10:14:26 PM
They're all just pathetic if you ask me...

Your right, Both pathetic, is that what the talented tenth has come down to? Kappas filming and running trainson broke and vulnerable garden tools from the hood/ On behalf of Black men especially those in greek organizations, Muse, I apologize you had to see that. keep tellin' ya'll they aint S21t, and this aint personal, some of my best friends, are Kappas, seriously.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 08, 2005, 04:35:01 AM
So I guess you were never a Que-Dog eh???? I think men of all fraternities can be "out there"...especially neophytes..some of the behavior can be disguisting.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: comebackkid on June 08, 2005, 06:14:07 AM
They're all just pathetic if you ask me...

Your right, Both pathetic, is that what the talented tenth has come down to? Kappas filming and running trainson broke and vulnerable garden tools from the hood/ On behalf of Black men especially those in greek organizations, Muse, I apologize you had to see that. keep tellin' ya'll they aint S21t, and this aint personal, some of my best friends, are Kappas, seriously.

I have called someone in that chapter to figure out the story.  But I agree with Pearl...This is not a Kappa thing.  It is childish behavior.  I have seen this stuff in all NPH fraternities.
For every negative incident by a member of my Fraternity, there are 10 positive acts to offset. Do I really need to go down the member roster of Kappa Alpha Psi?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 08, 2005, 06:39:07 AM
Comeback, no you don't have to run down the list...all of our organizations have members we are not quite so proud of...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 08, 2005, 10:30:10 AM
They're all just pathetic if you ask me...

Your right, Both pathetic, is that what the talented tenth has come down to? Kappas filming and running trainson broke and vulnerable garden tools from the hood/ On behalf of Black men especially those in greek organizations, Muse, I apologize you had to see that. keep tellin' ya'll they aint S21t, and this aint personal, some of my best friends, are Kappas, seriously.

I have called someone in that chapter to figure out the story.  But I agree with Pearl...This is not a Kappa thing.  It is childish behavior.  I have seen this stuff in all NPH fraternities.


You've seen this with da Ques? Just playin' dont answer. When I went to a CU-FSU game I heard about these issues at FAMU with the Ques, When i was a "que dog" I neva filmed, no hoe's though. Pearl, I cant imagine whats its like to see you defending the Alphas? We all can be "Out there " agreed. But Im tired of the Nupe S--T from this board, they're either Fightin' or Fu!@#n'.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 08, 2005, 10:48:52 AM
I actually had a good time at the event. I know what happened isn't representative of everyone in the organization so I'm not tripping. Like I said I don't blame the guys, but the females who  would lower themselves to such levels just to get attention.  I've seen questionable behavior in all organizations, especially my own so I can't really judge anyone.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 08, 2005, 11:10:23 AM
I actually had a good time at the event. I know what happened isn't representative of everyone in the organization so I'm not tripping. Like I said I don't blame the guys, but the females who  would lower themselves to such levels just to get attention.  I've seen questionable behavior in all organizations, especially my own so I can't really judge anyone.

Who's that in your Avatar? Yeah we've done some questionable things as well, but we never said we were perfect, we only said we were the best ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 08, 2005, 11:28:27 AM
I'm the one in the middle.The Asian on one my left is one of my best friends and the Latina is another friend of ours.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 08, 2005, 11:52:40 AM
aweeee..a multicultural affair :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 08, 2005, 11:53:17 AM
Yeah my friends are pretty diverse.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on June 08, 2005, 11:54:30 AM
Yeah my friends are pretty diverse.

I know what you mean.  My best friend is white.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 08, 2005, 12:07:12 PM
Besides black women usually annoy me!



 ;)


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 08, 2005, 12:12:18 PM

aweeee :'(

Besides black women usually annoy me!



 ;)



Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 08, 2005, 01:02:36 PM
NAACP LDF Receives $1M Gift
Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Inc pledges financial contribution, encourages others to give back

African American sororities and fraternities have a long tradition of giving back to their communities. One sorority, Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Inc., recently pledged $1 million to the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund to support its voting rights work. They hope that their gift will encourage others to participate in philanthropic giving to causes that effect positive change in the African American community.

The May 17 gift comes a few months before the 40th anniversary of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was signed into law. Sections of the Act are due to expire in 2007 and must be reauthorized by Congress. The Voting Rights Act outlaws discriminatory practices that pose as barriers to black and minority voter participation. 
   
“We recognize the role that LDF has played in the passage of the Voting Rights Act and their ongoing efforts to protect voting rights for disfranchised communities,” says Delta national President Louise Rice.

The $1 million pledge, drawing on resources from more than 200,000 members, was awarded in the name of Delta member Elaine R. Jones, who spent 32 years at LDF, the last 11 as director counsel before retiring in 2004. “It is particularly significant when our community steps up to the plate, because our primary purpose is to provide legal services to African Americans who experience racial discrimination,” says Director Counsel Ted Shaw. “This gift shows the esteem to which the Deltas hold Elaine, but also LDF.”

This is not the first black women's group to give such a sizeable donation. In 1995, the Links Inc. pledged $1 million to LDF, which was paid off as of 2005. The Deltas have committed to giving $500,000 this year and another $500,000 in 2006.

Traditionally, LDF's support has come from individuals (direct donations and bequests). LDF also receives financial contributions from foundations and corporations. “What the Delta gift does, and others like it, is to help us continue to do the work we do in a way that is not compromised,” says Shaw, assuring that LDF has never taken any government money that could be perceived to influence the cases that they take on.

Delta Sigma Theta Sorority's Social Action Commission, which facilitated the LDF gift, has supported voting rights campaigns along with other projects in criminal justice, education, economic development, and public health. A growing concern is the exploding number of young African American women going to prison on drug-related charges.

“There has been an 800% increase in African American women going to prison in the last 25 years,” says Jones. “A lot of these women are in prison not because they themselves have profited from drugs but because they did a favor for a boyfriend. They made a deposit in the bank. They picked up a package from the post office. A favor is enough to get them on conspiracy charges,” she explains. Often the men tend to get lighter sentences, because they can plea bargain with the district attorney by giving up other names.

Jones cites the case of Kemba Smith, which made headlines when LDF stepped in to represent then 24-year-old Hampton University student whose boyfriend had been a drug dealer. Smith was sentenced to 24 years in prison without parole despite the fact the prosecution stipulated that she herself had never sold or used drugs. “That's the case the Deltas and Links collaborated on,” says Jones. “We had a four-year campaign up and down the courts to set Ke mba free and we succeeded.” Smith received clemency from former President Bill Clinton.

Rice describes the million-dollar gift as a “call to action” and challenge to other membership organizations and individuals to give back to the community. Adds Jones, “It shows you the power of our collective … what we can do when we pool our resources and target them on things that we want to make a difference on.”

For more on black philanthropy, pick up the August issue of BLACK ENTERPRISE magazine.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on June 08, 2005, 01:29:07 PM
blk--thats beautiful! is that article recent? i am working at fdn. now, it would be nice to see that issue of black enterprise when it comes out in august. do you have the link for the article?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 08, 2005, 01:34:48 PM

hey faith.. the article is dated May 31,2005 and here's the link..

http://www.blackenterprise.com/exclusivesekopen.asp?id=1158



I had to let it be known that my sorority is making heavy financial moves for our community...

I also felt that it was time to talk about some of the positivity of Black Greek Letter Organizations...too often we're focusing on the negative




blk--thats beautiful! is that article recent? i am working at fdn. now, it would be nice to see that issue of black enterprise when it comes out in august. do you have the link for the article?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 08, 2005, 01:45:03 PM
The greeks on my campus graduate within five years. That's positive!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on June 08, 2005, 01:59:10 PM
The greeks on my campus graduate within five years. That's positive!

At least they graduate. keep a smile in your heart.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 08, 2005, 02:14:05 PM
my heart is always smiling ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on June 08, 2005, 02:26:36 PM
 :D LOL!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on June 08, 2005, 02:28:47 PM
:D LOL!

the girl in your avatar needs a perm
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on June 08, 2005, 02:36:28 PM
shut up rbg! where are my natural sistas?  >:(
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on June 08, 2005, 02:39:14 PM
shut up rbg! where are my natural sistas?  >:(

 >:( man, why all you 'natural sistas' always feel the need to exclude people.  some people could use the creamy crack.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 08, 2005, 02:41:38 PM
always hating on sistas with natural hair.. what's up with that?

:D LOL!

the girl in your avatar needs a perm
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on June 08, 2005, 02:42:53 PM
ain't nobody excluding black women who have permanents. just saying that rbg needs to stop hatin!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on June 08, 2005, 02:53:35 PM
always hating on sistas with natural hair.. what's up with that?

:D LOL!

the girl in your avatar needs a perm

you need to be right behind her in the perm line.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 08, 2005, 03:03:20 PM
actually..i hear that more men in Ohio are getting perms these days..



you need to be right behind her in the perm line.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 08, 2005, 03:47:56 PM
The Asian on one my left is one of my best friends and the Latina is another friend of ours.

Now thats what Im Talkin' about!!! Diversity, thats what makes marriage so a hard choice now days, which 1 do you choose foreva? I haven't figured that out yet.As for as the sorors, its good to see them Handling their bizness, now if only the ques could follow that example
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Lawprofessor on June 08, 2005, 04:07:59 PM
actually..i hear that more men in Ohio are getting perms these days..



you need to be right behind her in the perm line.

I think RBG has a perm
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 08, 2005, 08:45:10 PM
Tyson Foods, Inc. and Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. Partner to Provide Leadership Training for Undergraduate Students

CHICAGO, May 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Tyson Foods, Inc. (NYSE: TSN - News), the world's largest processor and marketer of chicken, beef and pork, and Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., (AKA) America's first Black Greek-letter organization, have partnered to provide leadership training for some of America's best and brightest minority female college students. More than 40 undergraduate members of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. traveled from more than 35 different colleges and universities across the country to Russellville, Ark., to participate in Alpha Kappa Alpha's 2005 Leadership Fellows Program sponsored by Tyson Foods, Inc., May 21st - 28th at the Tyson Management Development Center (TMDC).

This program which began in 1979 by AKA provides leadership training and helps undergraduates develop the skills necessary to be prepared to assume job responsibilities in the workplace. In 2001, the sorority partnered with Tyson Foods to enhance the program. Cathy Johnson, Vice President of Employment Compliance for Tyson Foods and a member of AKA was instrumental in facilitating the partnership between the two entities.

"Through our collaboration with Tyson we have provided the necessary skills for undergraduates to succeed in the workplace and have helped to diversify the company's workforce. This is a win-win situation for everyone involved," stated Linda M. White, AKA national president.

The program provides training and development, student internships and job placement and mentoring. At the end of the program, participants are required to formally present case studies on various business related scenarios. Several members of AKA's top leadership team participate in the program and serve as mentors. Also, top executives from Tyson present workshops and assist students by providing them with information for their case study projects.

On Tuesday, May 24th the group met Mr. John Tyson, Chairman and CEO who spoke to the leadership fellows participants and answered in-depth questions. Later in the week, the group traveled to Little Rock, Ark., to tour a Tyson Foods processing facility to see first-hand the process and packaging operation. They also toured the historic Clinton Library and enjoyed a delicious luncheon buffet.

AKA is America's first Greek-letter organization founded in 1908 by Black college women. Headquartered in Chicago, Illinois, the organization is one of the world's leading service organizations. In the past two years alone, the sorority has provided more than 3 million service hours and 13 million to support service projects across the country and abroad benefiting more than 3.5 million people. The sorority serves all mankind through a nucleus of more than 170,000 women in the United States, the Caribbean, Europe and Africa. Candidacy for membership into AKA is open to all women of high ethical and academic standards who are pursuing or have completed courses leading to a degree from an accredited college or university.

Tyson Foods, Inc., founded in 1935 with headquarters in Springdale, Arkansas, is the world's largest processor and marketer of chicken, beef, and pork and the second-largest food company in the Fortune 500. The company produces a wide variety of protein-based and prepared food products, which are marketed under the "Powered by Tyson(TM)" strategy. Tyson is the recognized market leader in the retail and foodservice markets it serves, providing products and service to customers throughout the United States and more than 80 countries. Tyson has approximately 114,000 Team Members employed at more than 300 facilities and offices in the United States and around the world.




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Source: Tyson Foods, Inc.; Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 08, 2005, 09:05:21 PM
this is great stuff pearl
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 08, 2005, 09:12:05 PM
Thanks....that article about DST and the Legal Defense Fund is wonderful...NAACP LDF has done sooo much good work..without them, no Brown v. Board....

Come on frats, where ya'll at??
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on June 08, 2005, 10:14:24 PM
actually..i hear that more men in Ohio are getting perms these days..



you need to be right behind her in the perm line.

I think RBG has a perm

I believe it's more of a "texturizer"

I have neither
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 08, 2005, 10:26:00 PM
Thanks....that article about DST and the Legal Defense Fund is wonderful...NAACP LDF has done sooo much good work..without them, no Brown v. Board....

Come on frats, where ya'll at??
http://www.oppf.org/about/programs.asp
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 08, 2005, 10:30:21 PM
Besides black women usually annoy me!



 ;)



Yeah my friends are pretty diverse.

I know what you mean. My best friend is white.




If Black women cant be best friends with Black women, how is the Black man suppossed to ??? When we say how White women are our best friends, we get screamed on.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 08, 2005, 11:22:08 PM
Besides black women usually annoy me!



 ;)



Yeah my friends are pretty diverse.

I know what you mean. My best friend is white.




If Black women cant be best friends with Black women, how is the Black man suppossed to ??? When we say how White women are our best friends, we get screamed on.



Interesting point...all of my good friends are black women...all of my chapter sorors are black women...I love being around positive sisters...and in this profession, I've found that black women have been more willing than anyone else to take me under their wing...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 09, 2005, 10:50:00 AM
I love to be around positive black women but unfortunately they come a dime a dozen. The ones that I do have, I value my relationship with them tremendously. Ironically all the cool black women who are about their business and aren't caught up in the BS at my school tend to gravitate towards each other. I think I’m more selective when it comes to my female friends than my male relationships b/c I lack the patience for petty BS that I see in other female/female relationships. I want a friend that I can lean on and talk to, not someone I have to watch out for b/c she might try to steal my man or has jealousy issues. When I get to the point where I call someone my friend I’m extremely loyal to them and will stop what I’m doing to help them out.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 09, 2005, 03:46:24 PM
I've been around a lot of trifling white women too...I think a trifling woman is a trifling woman...none of my friends are trifling...they are all beautiful, dynamic sisters....I think of my line sisters as trifling, I love 'em (and I pledged at a HBCU, so I have a lot of line sisters)....I don't think black women do anything that most women don't do in friendships...but I live in the South, so Muse, your experience may be TOTALLY different...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on June 09, 2005, 04:58:35 PM
I've been around a lot of trifling white women too...


LOL, if that isnt the understatement of the year ;D Friendships take work, just like everything else, alot of time friendships and relationships become more of a mirror of oneself than anything else.  I talk alot Sh-- about Kappas, ect, ect. It all boils down to the individual, there are cat bruhs,(I just think certain groups have higher percentages of Cat activities)as oppossed to the Ques ;), we just give white folks more passes and chances than we do our own, which I think is the greatest strength of the Black greek system, it doesnt allow you to dismiss working with black folks, as easily as we are used to doing. Working with each other, without having to be agree with or like each other 100% but focused on a goal. Black folks do it in Athletics all the time.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on June 09, 2005, 05:44:20 PM
That is very true elegant. Life in the south vs. california is on some different sh*t. I think Muse would have a lot more black female friends if she pledged at an HBCU.

Keep a smile in your heart.



I've been around a lot of trifling white women too...I think a trifling woman is a trifling woman...none of my friends are trifling...they are all beautiful, dynamic sisters....I think of my line sisters as trifling, I love 'em (and I pledged at a HBCU, so I have a lot of line sisters)....I don't think black women do anything that most women don't do in friendships...but I live in the South, so Muse, your experience may be TOTALLY different...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 09, 2005, 07:08:20 PM
HBCU, when are you going to stop with the flower child routine??
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 09, 2005, 07:13:56 PM
HBCU you are KILLING ME with the keep a smile in your heart routine! LOL

California has an entirely different breed of people so our experiences probably like night and day. Ironically most of my close black female friends are from the Mid West, the Bay, the South, and East Coast. I probably have two black female friends who are So Cal natives.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on June 10, 2005, 07:01:05 AM
i think growing up in the midwest and then coming to the east coast has definitely affected who my friends are. nearly all of my friends from h.s. are black women. then in college, my friends became a lot more diverse. two of my best friends now are Asian, 1 is from cali. I think that these friendships were a learning experience for us though, because coming from the midwest i was really open about growing up in a mostly black world, and not having a problem with that. my friend from cali for awhile thought that was sad and we used to argue about it. now that we've become closer, i think she understands that the experience of growing up without that type of diversity isn't necessarily a disadvantage, and i've come to understand that growing up in cali doesn't mean that you're weak in your identity. but yeah, black women i've met from southern cali have sometimes come off very different to me. actually my best friend is a black woman who grew up in socal. i just chalk it up to having possibly the most opposite growing experience ever...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 15, 2005, 12:14:31 PM
Black "Greeks": The Negroes You Love to Hate

by Morpheus


Yes, its time to talk about the Negroes everybody loves to hate. Those Greek-letter wearin', fancy foot stepping, hand clappin,' think they're God's gift to the black race, brothas and sistas. You seen em' at the local community clean up (well one or two anyway). You seen em' at your college campus, parading around in their letters and making their distinctive calls that make your teeth grate. You seen em' whispering in corners, giving secret handshakes and scowling furiously if they catch you glancing. You seen em' squabbin' at parties like out of control gangs or starved animals let loose upon one another.

Spike Lee's immortal classic School Daze parodied black fraternal and sorority life with humorous results. The arrogant, misogynist, politically stunted Gamma Dawgs were a bite on all four of the main black fraternities. (Yes, I know there are five now but I'm only focusing on folks founded before The New Deal. If you're founded after The Great Depression, you belong to another era of space and time and will be treated thusly. No offense. That's just the way it is. Take it up with management.) And the petty female Gamma Rays played on a similar theme.

School Daze was an exaggeration. But it was done on some real life truths that plague these organizations to this day. Whether black frats and sorors want to face up to it, they currently don't have the best reputation. The stereotypes are many: haughty, color-struck, violent, politically unaware, culturally inept with regards to Africa versus Greece, etc. None of it is very flattering. And hiding behind "tough", "arrogant", "pretty", or other personas isn't really going to help matters. So let's go through a brief critique of the black fraternities and sororities, and give everyone involved in such discussions a straight up dose of HONESTY - from the perspective of yours truly of course. Some of this is going to be harsh for everybody. But ask me if I care! No for real ... Go ahead ... Ask me. I really wanna give you an answer.



In Criticism



Can Some People in Black Frats and Sorors Be Arrogant and Elitist?

Yes. Arrogance is a common human trait. It seems to become magnified however in peoples who once were nothing (or at least thought of themselves as nothing) and become a part of something. I have seen people join black fraternities and sororities and go from cool to jackass over a few months. Some even do it in two or three days (or however long it takes to scrape up the money and sign some paper), but that's another story. Confidence in one's self is great. Haughtiness or over inflated self-worth is simply frowned upon - and for good reason. No one likes it, except the sycophants who grovel and take the abuse in the hopes of joining such an organization because they too have dreams of one day becoming an even BIGGER jackass. But guess what? If you were a busta' before you got those colors, letters, and interesting variety of hoots/calls - you're still a busta' once you got em' (and like De La say, "I hate a Busta - unless he's Busta Rhymes!"). You haven't really changed. You're just MORE annoying. Get off the arrogance folks. No one cares enough about your decals, key chains, t-shirts, yadda yadda yadda. Everyone else is not beneath you once you join such an organization. Your friendships shouldn't sever with others, because you've bought yourself some new ones. Grow the hell up.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 15, 2005, 12:14:59 PM
What's Up with the Hazing that Maims, Injures or Kills People?

Yeah? What da' hell is up with that shyt? What kind of sadomasochist black folks you got up in these organizations? Yeah, I understand the importance of ritual. It's a universal human cultural trait - including the physical aspects. But when ritual reaches the point where it endangers the life and limb of an individual, it needs to be questioned, revised or wholly revoked! Why would you hit a man in the back of a head with a shovel or a frying pan? Why would you paddle him to the point where you've worked yourself into some violent homoerotic frenzy and thus caused him internal injury of the rectum and intestines? What da' hell is that about? Do you work for the NYPD?! What's next? Plunger handles? Some of you get a thrill out of beating black folks like you were a bunch of white supremacists! If you have a ritual, cool. Ritual is one thing. It might need to be physical. But you learn something from it. That's the way cultures are worldwide. Hazing however makes a mockery out of ritual, physical or mental. It's just some ignorant excuse to carry out what you saw in a Jet Li movie or on WWF. You're just a nut who needs psychiatric help. And if the folks taking these merciless beatings had some sense, they'd turn around and give you a right and proper FACE-kickin'! What's the sense of getting a new member missing an eye or who has lost hearing out of one ear? "Hey everybody, this is my new frat brotha - pay no attention to his caved in chest".



Are Black Frats & Sorors Just Organized Gangs?

Good question. Are they? I mean I seen fights between organizations that throw up different signs and wear different colors get so brutal, I thought they really were bangin'. I saw one fight break out between members of the SAME organization! They turned on each other like pack of starved beasts, using brass knuckles, knives, throwing folks through windows! It was utter Negro---nah, devolve that to n-word - madness. On one college campus a member of an organization had to drive around with a shotgun for protection over some inter-fraternal beef. What da' hell!?! Listen closely. Healthy competition is one thing. That's normal. When it turns into brawls at step shows that trample kids or elderly people in attendance (don't lie cuz I SEEN the sickenin' sh*t happen!), you have lost your gawd damn minds. If you wanna fight that bad, DON'T go to college! Ain't no hardcore thugged out astrophysicists waiting to take on the philosophers packing heat when they run up on their block. College isn't the place for that. If you want to play gangsta so bad we can take the whole lot of you and drop you off in the global hotspot of your choice. Sierra Leone still got some outposts of RUF waiting to chop off some limbs. The Congo is still immersed in terrible civil war. The Jenin Palestinian refugee camp can't wait to have you. Chechnya, Nepal and the Kashmir region are some other top picks. We can deposit all of you collegiate-gangstas right up in there and let you show how hard you can get. Warning to you though, the RUF don't give a damn how bad you step and ain't gonna be no meeting with the Pan on Monday and a monetary fine. Best stick to worrying about your G.P.A. and graduation, and leave the thuggin' for the folks who live it. Like the old 80s slogan used to say when Hip Hop was worth somethin', STOP THE VIOLENCE! And of course I'm not just talking to the frats. These prim, proper and pretty sorority women can act a damn fool too. Negroes don't want to be mad at the white man for slappin em' last week. But they can keep on a blood feud with another set of black people over something that happened near a century ago. Amazing.



Do Black Frats & Sorors Do Anything Except Party?

I honestly sometimes don't know. Every black fraternity or sorority has these elaborate slogans about service and helping the community. Too many of them however fulfill this with a few canned food drives and a bake sale. There's a lot of the community that needs help. Folks in black frats and sorors aren't going to run out of service projects for a LONG time to come. There should be more community service and less dancin', shuckin' and jivin'. 'If you claim to be about service then BE about service. Do something because it's going to help, not because you can write it down in a book or resume and give yourselves awards for it later. If more black frats and sorors put as much time into service as they did learning their steps, they could get a lot of good done. Next time anybody goes to a black fraternity or sorority party or step show ask this one question of its members: WHERE is the money that I am giving you GOING? $5 to $20 for a party or step show with hundreds of attendants generates some funds. Ask them if this money is going back into the community. Heck, you the one just paid to see em' hump the stage for ten minutes straight to the delight of giddy fresh-women. Ask them if you'll ever see something productive out of that money besides new chapter shirts. Black fraternities and sororities claim to be about helping the community and about service to YOU. So hold them to it. Make them accountable.


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 15, 2005, 12:15:57 PM
What's With the "Greek" This and "Greek" That?

Yeah. What's with the "What up Greek" at every turn? Did some of you join the Athenian League? You resurrect old Sparta? Did the entire Afrocentric academic movement of the 80s and 90s pass by black folks in fraternities and sororities? Are they unaware that a huge debate still rages about the African influences upon or origins of ancient Greek culture? Most are so blissfully ignorant to all of this that they don't know they were thrust directly into the controversy. There's a huge ideology in fact that declares black frats and sorors the scourge of black people. They say black frats and sorors idolize Greece and denigrate Africa. They further claim that black frats and sorors are part of a larger conspiracy to whitewash and even destroy black people. Unfortunately most people in black frats and sorors are unable to defend themselves against such accusations, because they don't even know they're being made! People in black frats and sorors need to read something other than the history books of their organizations. They need to go out and at the least familiarize themselves with the Stolen Legacy/Black Athena debate. Or I take that back, perhaps they should first read their history books - but this time read them better.


In Praise



So Where Did Black Fraternities and Sororities Come From?

Well the original eight organizations began in the early 1900s. Contrary to popular MYTH, they were not founded by freemasonry or Sigma Pi Phi. Sigma Pi Phi (the much maligned Boule of black urban conspiracy folklore) was an organization begun in the early 1900s for professional blacks (those with degrees). In fact it's thought in the beginning they only admitted dentists. The first collegiate black fraternities and sororities would follow, but in a wholly unrelated manner. In fact each of the organizations has their own separate beginning. That is not to say there was not influence from older black secret societies. In a few organizations the founding members were involved (either directly or indirectly) with freemasonry. And they brought a lot of what they knew to the groups. However black frats and sorors are not under the mandate of freemasons or any other black organizations. They exist as their own separate entities.



Weren't These Organizations Created Because they Couldn't Join White Ones?

Yes and No. In the early 1900s lynching and such atrocities were common in the US. White Supremacy was rampant, much of it written into the constitution or by-laws of white fraternities and sororities. There probably weren't too many black folks who weren't well aware that they couldn't join. It's doubtful that many even tried. Rather they sought to create their own organizations by black people and for black people. To say they created such organizations merely out of spite at not being able to join white ones belittles their achievements. And though they may look precisely the same as white ones on the outside, their motives and goals were often very different. The founders of these organizations were college students with lofty goals, each seeking to create networks for themselves during their academic careers - and beyond. That they have withstood this long is an important testament to black strength and ingenuity.



Do Black Frats and Sorors Do Any Good?

Sure. They do a lot of good. On many black college campuses they are primarily the leaders of black groups. On my old campus black frats and sorors ran many of the black organizations. They helped bring speakers to campus ranging from civil rights leaders, to African centered scholars, to black sociologists and psychologists, to fiery black political activists. Black frats and sorors often take a lot of bashing on their community service, but in actuality do more community service than any of the bashers combined. They put on the most programs and, especially necessary on a predominantly white campus, provide the black collegiate community with the most social and other outlets. Black frats and sorors have been associated with members of note, from Martin Luther King Jr. to Congresswoman Maxine Waters to scientist Dr. Ernest E. Just to novelist Toni Morrison to Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton to historians like Arthur Schomburg to anthropologist/writer Zora Neale Hurston to African-centered historian Anthony T. Browder and more. Black fraternities and sororities played instrumental roles in Civil Rights and other social movements. In fact it was the headquarters of a black fraternity that was used to help organize the Million Man March of 1995. Though there will always be more that the organizations can do, it would be a falsehood to claim they have done nothing. Like them or not, they are an integral part of the black existence in the US and college life and have played key roles in shaping it.


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 15, 2005, 12:16:53 PM
But Again, What's Up with the Greek Thing?

In the early 1900s, black college students did not have the wealth of information by people like Cheikh Anta Diop, George GM James or John Henrik Clarke. It would take half a century and more for such works on the Greek-Egypt debate to be written. Greek letters were the collegiate norm of the time, and so black frats and sorors outfitted themselves with such. However they weren't just blind mimics. Black fraternities and sororities often purposefully imbued their organizations with African symbols, namely Ethiopia or Egypt - the most well known ancient African complexes at the time. Race and culture were very much on their minds. One only has to take a cursory glance to see obvious African symbols and allusions to race. Others are so well hidden, you'd need to know a bit about Greek goddesses, turned Roman that descend from an African forebear (*hint- she brings resolution to a rather famous ancient African-mythological conflict). Some are even remarkably written into the very Greek letters, coded to allude to Africa and race directly. The best analogy would be the manner in which African slaves hid Yoruba orisas and Dahomean loas behind Christian Saints. Black fraternities and sororities are a prime example of the DuBoisian double consciousness and black social and cultural identity in the western world. One black fraternity would write in its history book, "To the ... brotherhood African history and civilization ... and Ethiopian tradition bring new meanings and these are interpreted with new significance to others. As Americans of European parentage point with pride to the ancestral history of their people, so would [the brotherhood] have the Negroes of America look with pride upon African civilization with its kingdoms, its governments and its laws, its social institutions, its buildings and roads, and its evidences of indigenous progress, unaffected as it was, by outside influences." In fact works such as Stolen Legacy and excerpts from Black Athena are even required readings for some black fraternities and sororities. The greatest problem is that many members of black frats and sorors today know less about such things than their founders. Not all are ignorant to this mind you, but too many are. So some can hardly see how ancient African ideas of sacred geometry could have influenced the creation of Phoenician architectural deities; who would be fashioned to fit with ideas of Judaic folklore and the temple of a semi-mythic Hebrew king; that would filter into medieval Europe perhaps through Eastern derived Islamic mysticism and/or semi-legendary sects like the Knights Templar; all of which would influence and be reinvented by 18th Century European Enlightenment figures; filtered down to black freemasons such as Prince Hall who would recognize the African links; and eventually be passed down through influence to young black college men and women in the early 1900s looking for an African connection and identity on the verge of the Harlem Renaissance. But all of that is another story. The point is, don't let the Greek taste fool you.



Aren't Black Frats and Sorors Color-Struck?

Yes and No. Being color struck is nothing unique to these organizations. That is a phenomenon common to black people wherever white supremacy helped create such divisive and hateful conflicts. Take a look at the founders of black fraternities and sororities. They ranged the black color spectrum - even thought admittedly, more lighter-skinned blacks may have been found in college than those of darker hue. That had little to do with black frats and sorors and a lot to do with societal race dynamics in post slavery America. Did some of these early organizations have issues over color? Of course they did. It would be idealistic to think their founders and members were so enlightened that to some degree such negative thinking was not part of their psyche. However, whether some members acted out such things consciously or unconsciously, it was NEVER a written and condoned part of the organizations. And thus black members from all hues - and from various continents---claim membership. Color struck practices occurred based on a regional basis or through individual chapters. There's no evidence it could ever speak for the organizations as a whole. But as stated, this was a black problem period---not the sole domain of black frats and sorors. The members of these organizations were human beings like everyone else, with all the strengths and weaknesses therein. They don't drop from the sky. Does this color-struck ideology continue today in certain chapters or regions to some degree? The easy answer to this question is to ask whether the black community has wholly done away with color struck ideologies. It won't go away in ANY black organization until it disappears from our thinking as a whole. Black fraternities and sororities may be victims of the disease of white supremacy as is everyone else.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on June 15, 2005, 12:17:26 PM
Well Why do Black Fraternities and Sororities Keep Secrets?

Because they're secret societies. Be a real wack secret society if you told everyone your secrets. Secret societies and sects have probably been around in human history since those cats were creating artwork in Blombos Cave, South Africa some 70,000+ years ago. They have served in the function of taking children to adulthood, passing on culture, learning various crafts, as part of the religious experience and more. From the mortuary funeral society of the Dogon of Mali to the Hung Society of China, secret societies are a cross-cultural phenomenon. Even the most egalitarian peoples have had them in some form or another. Black fraternities and sororities are a recent version of an age-old human tradition---whether you like the idea of secrets or not. Rest assured that whatever mysteries they keep, such things only make sense to the initiated. It's doubtful a group of college students are given the meaning of life or whispered the gift of immortality through their oaths and such.



Aren't Black Frats and Sorors Part of Some Great Conspiracy?

Sure. And Elvis is leading a Satanic group of UN dictators to enslave the world using weather distorting black helicopters derived from alien technology from Roswell. Didn't you get all that when you read the barcode on the back of your neck? It's all written on the dollar bill if you look carefully you know. (NOTE: read with heavy sarcasm for full effect). Some folks will believe anything they hear, read or are told. Explore more than one perspective. Compare and contrast information. Pick sense from NON-sense. And be a thinker rather than a follower.

In conclusion, like I said up top - black fraternities and sororities are the Negroes everyone loves to hate. Some of the criticism they receive is vital. There's no denying the organizations have problems and are suffering from a very negative image of present. On the other hand, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. There's a lot of good these organizations have done. There's a lot more they can do.

To the critics, try to teach and guide. No one needs soapbox preaching from the blacker-than-thou seeking to judge and prosecute. Rather than sitting around "building" and "dropping science" about how "brainwashed" many of these organizations are, put down the tofu, un-tighten the head wrap, and loosen up the cowrie shells long enough to offer some HELP rather than blanket condemnation. Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing? Out trying to uplift black folks? Too many "conscious" folks rail against elitism of fraternities and sororities, and then go out and form their own elitist blacker-than-thou-cliques who are big on lip service but short on delivery. When you get through snapping fingers at the coffee shop and fantasizing about your Utopian Africa, see to tending the flock. As the Akan say, "knowledge is not like money that should be locked up in a safe."

To the black fraternities and sororities, partying is nice and good. Nothing wrong with stepping - its African derived and speaks volumes to cultural retentions in the Diaspora. But you've got to work on your image and yourselves. Can't sit in your Greek towers and pretend you don't have faults and that everyone else is crazy but you all are sane. Confidence is great. Arrogance to the point that leads to backbiting, petty squabbling and violence is ridiculous and not befitting what your founders set in place. Back then they realized they needed each other as black people more than anything else. Try to recapture some of that. As said before, I have no problem with rituals - even if they get physical. But there's a point where everyone knows you've gone too far. Decide if your goal is to teach and uplift, or just have your own personal piece of ass to kick. If it's the latter, seek a mental ward and disband your group---because it serves no redeeming purpose.

To everyone on the outside who may remain neutral - get UN-neutral. Challenge these organizations to live up to the potential of their founders and beyond. Join them and try to effect change from within if possible. Who knows, maybe they'll even take it beyond their predecessors, strip away the Greek letters and go with some Pharaonic Egyptian, Meroitic-Kush or Ethiopian Amharic. Hey. It could happen. Just remember that constructive criticism is one thing. It helps others. Blanket condemnation just helps yourself and gives you a power rush. Know the difference.

And remember I say all this because I honestly do believe black fraternities and sororities can do more help than harm in the long run. If you find my words too harsh, if you can't take the heat of it ... you may need to re-read Invictus. To quote a member of one black fraternal organization, "The ultimate measure of a man [or woman] is not where he [she] stands in moments of comfort, but where he [she] stands at times of challenge and controversy".


NO SKATAZ ALLOWED!!


MORPHEUS- Exposin Fake Shyt

http://www.playahata.com/pages/morpheus/blackfrats.html
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 15, 2005, 01:47:47 PM
i read the first part of this.. i think that it can definitely turn into a good conversational piece..providing that people are willing to participate..
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on June 15, 2005, 01:51:47 PM
these 2 sections made me laugh out loud at my desk.  :D

Why would you hit a man in the back of a head with a shovel or a frying pan? Why would you paddle him to the point where you've worked yourself into some violent homoerotic frenzy and thus caused him internal injury of the rectum and intestines? What da' hell is that about? Do you work for the NYPD?! What's next? Plunger handles? Some of you get a thrill out of beating black folks like you were a bunch of white supremacists!

Rather than sitting around "building" and "dropping science" about how "brainwashed" many of these organizations are, put down the tofu, un-tighten the head wrap, and loosen up the cowrie shells long enough to offer some HELP rather than blanket condemnation. Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing? Out trying to uplift black folks? Too many "conscious" folks rail against elitism of fraternities and sororities, and then go out and form their own elitist blacker-than-thou-cliques who are big on lip service but short on delivery. When you get through snapping fingers at the coffee shop and fantasizing about your Utopian Africa, see to tending the flock. As the Akan say, "knowledge is not like money that should be locked up in a safe."
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on June 15, 2005, 07:41:42 PM
these 2 sections made me laugh out loud at my desk.  :D

Why would you hit a man in the back of a head with a shovel or a frying pan? Why would you paddle him to the point where you've worked yourself into some violent homoerotic frenzy and thus caused him internal injury of the rectum and intestines? What da' hell is that about? Do you work for the NYPD?! What's next? Plunger handles? Some of you get a thrill out of beating black folks like you were a bunch of white supremacists!

Rather than sitting around "building" and "dropping science" about how "brainwashed" many of these organizations are, put down the tofu, un-tighten the head wrap, and loosen up the cowrie shells long enough to offer some HELP rather than blanket condemnation. Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing? Out trying to uplift black folks? Too many "conscious" folks rail against elitism of fraternities and sororities, and then go out and form their own elitist blacker-than-thou-cliques who are big on lip service but short on delivery. When you get through snapping fingers at the coffee shop and fantasizing about your Utopian Africa, see to tending the flock. As the Akan say, "knowledge is not like money that should be locked up in a safe."

Daymn Faith, this was deep, and on point. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 06, 2005, 07:24:50 AM
http://www.blacksororityproject.com/
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 10, 2005, 06:55:21 AM
This was mentioned on a listserv and I wanted your thoughts and opinions...


Quote
    The Minimally Discussed Controversy over Homosexual Men in Black
    Greek-letter Fraternities

    I'm heterosexual—one hundred percent! I find it necessary to state
    this at the outset for two reasons. The first has to do with my
    heterosexual bias and limited vision with regards to the lifestyle of
    homosexual men. Consequently, my words will likely reflect such a bias
    and short-sightedness. I need to own that. The second reason is
    because, by the nature and maybe tone of this piece, I do not want
    anyone to assume I am homosexual. This reasoning is better explained
    later.

    Not too long ago, I started work on my follow-up book to African
    American Fraternities and Sororities: The Legacy and the Vision. In
    thinking about topics to cover for the book, one of many was
    homosexuality within Black Greek-letter fraternities (BGFs). My focus
    on homosexual men, as opposed to homosexual women, within National
    Pan-Hellenic Council (NPHC) organizations was and is for several
    reasons. Among them is that women don't seem to be particularly
    concerned about homosexual members in their organizations. Men who
    interact with women in said organizations don't seem to be all that
    concerned either, or they may be mildly intrigued. On the other hand,
    with increasing dialogue about down-low (DL) brothers and the
    seemingly rising number of openly homosexual brothers, black women
    seem quite concerned with this issue as it relates to dating and
    marriage. They are undoubtedly concerned with potential health issues
    (e.g., HIV and DL men) and also what appears to be a shrinking pool of
    successful and eligible  partners (e.g., homosexual brothers) who are
    off the market to women. Among members of BGFs, there are concerns
    that their respective organizations have a growing number of DL or
    homosexual members, which is far more heightened than among sorority
    women. In identifying potential scholars/authors for a chapter on this
    topic, I contacted several people who were more than willing to write
    other—any other—chapters for the book, just not this one. All of these
    factors suggest that this topic is ripe for addressing and may
    necessitate some critical dialogue within our organizations.
    Ultimately and in many ways, the matter speaks to the heart of
    brotherhood or lack there of in BGF. I believe both heterosexual and
    homosexual/bi-sexual brothers share some blame.

    Many heterosexual brothers oppose homosexuals being members in their
    organizations for what they claim are religious reasons. The constant
    refrain is, "Our organizations were founded on Christian principles,
    and such behavior is contrary to the teachings of the Bible." However,
    the same brothers resist making similar denunciations of brothers who
    get drunk or those who engage in fornication or adultery. Thus, it
    seems that we must strip away their layers of arguments to get to what
    is "really" going on. In my humble opinion, I believe heterosexual men
    don't want any or at least a large number of homosexual men in their
    particular BGF for three main reasons: The first is the very basic
    belief among many heterosexual men that homosexual behavior is
    repulsive. The second is that heterosexual BGF men do not want
    outsiders to view their organization as comprised of homosexuals,
    which may make any heterosexual member guilty (i.e., homosexual) by
    association. Third, many heterosexual men don't want to be in close
    proximity to homosexual men as this may encourage homosexual men to
    make advances towards said heterosexual men—as they believe. Each of
    these reasons, in my mind are more understandable and probably a
    closer approximation to the truth than the religious argument.
    However, such arguments still strike at an essential notion of
    BGFs—brotherhood. Can a homosexual man be a brother to a heterosexual
    one? Can they work together to make our communities a better place? I
    believe so, but many heterosexual BGF members are likely to disagree.
    So much for brotherhood.

    In contrast, some homosexual members play a role in eroding brotherly
    bonds, just as some heterosexual brothers do. This typically takes
    place in a number of ways, but let me focus on one for the sake of
    space. The mere presence of homosexual men in BGF brings a degree of
    sexual tension to the organizations. This is so in the sense that some
    heterosexual members may be concerned, possibly erroneously, that some
    homosexual member(s) might be romantically interested in them. Fuel is
    added to the fire when homosexual BGF members express—subtly or
    blatantly—romantic interest in heterosexual members of their own
    organization. What's at issue here is in part the offending of
    heterosexual sensibilities, which is the least of our concerns. The
    more problematic element is the sense that a brother has violated the
    trust of another brother. I assume most men join BGFs for some sense
    of non-romantic brotherhood, and when another brother brings that
    element to the relationship, the other is likely to feel that they
    have been violated. This is quite natural when a person enters a
    relationship with a set of reasonable expectations about the nature of
    that relationship and ultimately has those expectations violated. When
    homosexual brothers by design or shear chance view their fraternity as
    a place where they can meet potential partners, individual and
    systemic problems are bound to arise. There again, so much for
    brotherhood.

    My argument isn't that these is no place for openly homosexual
    brothers within BGF. My point is that that if our brotherly bonds are
    to be strengthened and our work in the community more effective, there
    are matters to discuss and behaviors to guard against. Finally, in
    addition to the matter of pledging, which I must say is a debate still
    waiting to happen, matters of organizational diversity (i.e.,
    non-black, non-Christian, and non-heterosexual members) are among the
    future issues NPHC organizations must face. With regards to the
    homosexuality debate, one other topic must come to the fore. That's
    how national stereotypes of BGFs—particularly Alpha Phi Alpha, Kappa
    Alpha Psi, and Omega Psi Phi—and notions of black manhood relate to
    real or perceived homosexual membership within these groups. Let the
    discussion begin, and I look forward to your comments and feedback.



Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on July 10, 2005, 07:05:19 AM
Interesting. I think most fraternities are homo-phobic, whether they be white or black. I'd really like to hear Sands, HBCU, Comebackkid, and Omegaman's views on this topic.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on July 10, 2005, 07:54:42 AM
Interesting. I think most fraternities are homo-phobic, whether they be white or black. I'd really like to hear Sands, HBCU, Comebackkid, and Omegaman's views on this topic.

Obviously those guys will most likely have an opposite take on my view of this subject. Several points, BGF are not created in a vacuum, so these issues will no doubt arise. There are homosexual brothers, thus BGF will ahve a % of homosexual brothas. But I think religious views aside, there is a problem labeling groups or people homophobic simply because they would like to exlude these brothas from there organizations. We are not called spinach-phobic because we dont like spinach. There is something special and productive about single-gender organiztions, and to allow openly gay brothas would create issues, and decrease bonding. Our concept of manhood is one that has certain specific criteria, Why then would it be wrong to let men join sororities and vice-versa? So until as a unified front my organization feels a need to be more open, to tackling the idea of male bonding between hetero-and homosexual men, if that is even possible as a community with sincerity. Then maybe this is a good opportunity for a homosexual BGF to be born. If there isnt one already ;)
Bottom line homosexuality doesnt fall within are criteria of Manhood, which many heterosexual I might add fail to meet, but where do you draw the line, the same argument could be made to add not only more gays, but whites, women, other folks of color, those with criminal backgrounds, trade schools, and not just colleges.
We have yet to strengthen bonds amongst each other now, as it stands.
We only said we were the best, not the most liberal
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 10, 2005, 08:33:25 AM
do lesbians fall within the criteria of womenhood?  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on July 10, 2005, 09:11:14 AM
do lesbians fall within the criteria of womenhood?  :-\

great question...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on July 10, 2005, 10:03:06 AM
do lesbians fall within the criteria of womenhood?  :-\

Of course they do, but that's not the issue. I think the question here is would a lesbian fit into such and such's organization' definition of womenhood. And if not, should such organization change their critieria. This is a political games many group play, and president bush plays's very well. "Your either with us, or against us!!". I beleive that you can not be in support of someone without hating them. Like I said these brothers can start their own Frats, or join the kappas or alphas. i dont think the ques opposing open gay membership will have that detrimental of effect on the Black community. Are we going to make quotas for everything, gay organizations are going to have to have a certain number of heterosexuals and vice-versa?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on July 10, 2005, 10:08:04 AM

Omega, I don't believe in cross-pledging at all for any organizations. People can lay down with whomever they please, I just don't get the point of putting your organization in harm's way by cross pledging. I mean how discrete is that??? All of our organizations have suffered greatly from hazing and these cats coming up today in our undergrad organizations are crazy.



You know Im just messin' with you. But this is an interesting question for a diffeent thread? How many folks have revealed their organiztions secrets to a SO or spouse? or would you if he/she asked or demanded discrete info?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on July 10, 2005, 10:25:26 AM
Interesting. I think most fraternities are homo-phobic, whether they be white or black. I'd really like to hear Sands, HBCU, Comebackkid, and Omegaman's views on this topic.

Obviously those guys will most likely have an opposite take on my view of this subject. Several points, BGF are not created in a vacuum, so these issues will no doubt arise. There are homosexual brothers, thus BGF will ahve a % of homosexual brothas. But I think religious views aside, there is a problem labeling groups or people homophobic simply because they would like to exlude these brothas from there organizations. We are not called spinach-phobic because we dont like spinach. There is something special and productive about single-gender organiztions, and to allow openly gay brothas would create issues, and decrease bonding. Our concept of manhood is one that has certain specific criteria, Why then would it be wrong to let men join sororities and vice-versa? So until as a unified front my organization feels a need to be more open, to tackling the idea of male bonding between hetero-and homosexual men, if that is even possible as a community with sincerity. Then maybe this is a good opportunity for a homosexual BGF to be born. If there isnt one already ;)
Bottom line homosexuality doesnt fall within are criteria of Manhood, which many heterosexual I might add fail to meet, but where do you draw the line, the same argument could be made to add not only more gays, but whites, women, other folks of color, those with criminal backgrounds, trade schools, and not just colleges.
We have yet to strengthen bonds amongst each other now, as it stands.
We only said we were the best, not the most liberal

I concur in the judgment.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 10, 2005, 10:35:04 AM
word on the street is that there's a gay chapter of Omega Psi Phi down here in Houston... though the members are somewhat closeted...


Interesting. I think most fraternities are homo-phobic, whether they be white or black. I'd really like to hear Sands, HBCU, Comebackkid, and Omegaman's views on this topic.

Obviously those guys will most likely have an opposite take on my view of this subject. Several points, BGF are not created in a vacuum, so these issues will no doubt arise. There are homosexual brothers, thus BGF will ahve a % of homosexual brothas. But I think religious views aside, there is a problem labeling groups or people homophobic simply because they would like to exlude these brothas from there organizations. We are not called spinach-phobic because we dont like spinach. There is something special and productive about single-gender organiztions, and to allow openly gay brothas would create issues, and decrease bonding. Our concept of manhood is one that has certain specific criteria, Why then would it be wrong to let men join sororities and vice-versa? So until as a unified front my organization feels a need to be more open, to tackling the idea of male bonding between hetero-and homosexual men, if that is even possible as a community with sincerity. Then maybe this is a good opportunity for a homosexual BGF to be born. If there isnt one already ;)
Bottom line homosexuality doesnt fall within are criteria of Manhood, which many heterosexual I might add fail to meet, but where do you draw the line, the same argument could be made to add not only more gays, but whites, women, other folks of color, those with criminal backgrounds, trade schools, and not just colleges.
We have yet to strengthen bonds amongst each other now, as it stands.
We only said we were the best, not the most liberal
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on July 10, 2005, 10:41:08 AM

Omega, I don't believe in cross-pledging at all for any organizations. People can lay down with whomever they please, I just don't get the point of putting your organization in harm's way by cross pledging. I mean how discrete is that??? All of our organizations have suffered greatly from hazing and these cats coming up today in our undergrad organizations are crazy.



You know Im just messin' with you. But this is an interesting question for a diffeent thread? How many folks have revealed their organiztions secrets to a SO or spouse? or would you if he/she asked or demanded discrete info?

Nope, it's none of their business....I would question why they really needed to know.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 10, 2005, 10:47:02 AM
Interesting. I think most fraternities are homo-phobic, whether they be white or black. I'd really like to hear Sands, HBCU, Comebackkid, and Omegaman's views on this topic.

I don't have a view. I'm the new HBCU. I know how to keep my mouth shut. Thank you and goodnight.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on July 10, 2005, 03:16:01 PM

Omega, I don't believe in cross-pledging at all for any organizations. People can lay down with whomever they please, I just don't get the point of putting your organization in harm's way by cross pledging. I mean how discrete is that??? All of our organizations have suffered greatly from hazing and these cats coming up today in our undergrad organizations are crazy.



You know Im just messin' with you. But this is an interesting question for a diffeent thread? How many folks have revealed their organiztions secrets to a SO or spouse? or would you if he/she asked or demanded discrete info?

Nope, it's none of their business....I would question why they really needed to know.


You would keep secrets from your husband ??? That's trifling!!!

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on July 10, 2005, 06:59:05 PM
And if you would reveal your fraternal secrets to your wife wouldn't you be trifling??
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on July 10, 2005, 07:19:27 PM
And if you would reveal your fraternal secrets to your wife wouldn't you be trifling??

My wife will understand, I have trust issues, thus will only trust God.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 10, 2005, 07:22:41 PM
so frat you'll marry a woman u can't trust?

back to the original question though... i think that whoever we marry should be respectful enough of our organizations not to ask us the secrets u know?


And if you would reveal your fraternal secrets to your wife wouldn't you be trifling??

My wife will understand, I have trust issues, thus will only trust God.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on July 10, 2005, 07:51:52 PM
so frat you'll marry a woman u can't trust?

back to the original question though... i think that whoever we marry should be respectful enough of our organizations not to ask us the secrets u know?


And if you would reveal your fraternal secrets to your wife wouldn't you be trifling??

My wife will understand, I have trust issues, thus will only trust God.

Soror Im a nice a guy, so 9 out 10 times a woman will mistake my kindness for weakness, and thus take advantage of the situation.So I Ill only trust in Allah.
But soror what have you been up to?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 10, 2005, 08:17:50 PM
i am sure that there is someone out there that won't manipulate that character trait that you have for her own personal gain....

i'm hanging in there... putting my best foot forward and all that jazz :)


so frat you'll marry a woman u can't trust?

back to the original question though... i think that whoever we marry should be respectful enough of our organizations not to ask us the secrets u know?


And if you would reveal your fraternal secrets to your wife wouldn't you be trifling??

My wife will understand, I have trust issues, thus will only trust God.

Soror Im a nice a guy, so 9 out 10 times a woman will mistake my kindness for weakness, and thus take advantage of the situation.So I Ill only trust in Allah.
But soror what have you been up to?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on July 10, 2005, 11:24:46 PM
LOL-Well I finally learned how to post pics, so here are some of those "infamous" pics from NBLSA-Denver 2005

(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/243/nblsa2005200704mu.jpg)
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8373/nblsa2005200990ou.jpg)
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/228/nblsa2005201028ui.jpg)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 11, 2005, 04:28:03 AM
LOL-Well I finally leaned how to post pics, so here are some of those "infamous" pics from NBLSA-Denver 2005

(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/243/nblsa2005200704mu.jpg)
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8373/nblsa2005200990ou.jpg)
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/228/nblsa2005201028ui.jpg)

:::le sigh:::

I promised myself that I would behave the rest of the year.

The very last picture is nice.   ;D

Blq remember my forever 21 story?   ;D :P

So who wants to guess how many homesexuals were posing in the bottom picture?

:::RUNS:::



Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on July 11, 2005, 04:28:57 AM
Reign, have you been checking out the chronicle of higher education for listings?  I think the market will open up a bit in August, after the bar and after folks decide what they are going to do with their summer clerks.  

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 12, 2005, 09:16:30 AM
yes ma'am ..as well as higher ed jobs..i appreciate you looking out.. i definitely think that the market is going to crack next month.. i have a couple of side projects going on to keep me busy  :)...

how much money do you think should be invested in private practice?


Reign, have you been checking out the chronicle of higher education for listings?  I think the market will open up a bit in August, after the bar and after folks decide what they are going to do with their summer clerks.  


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: elegantpearl01 on July 12, 2005, 12:07:25 PM
I'm going to hit u on the PM

As far as the amount of money needed to start a firm, i think it depends on whether you are planning to do plaintiff's work (contingency fee) or defense work (money up front).  Here's a good article on start up.....

http://www.lawfirminc.com/texts/0105/finance0105.html
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: CocoPuff on July 15, 2005, 10:01:36 AM
Any Deltas in here? I was thinking about pledging.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 15, 2005, 10:47:15 AM
Any Deltas in here? I was thinking about pledging.

blk_reign is a delta. you should hit her on pm.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 15, 2005, 02:02:28 PM
u think she should hit me up about pledging??? interesting...

 :D :D :D

seriously.. pm me

Any Deltas in here? I was thinking about pledging.

blk_reign is a delta. you should hit her on pm.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 15, 2005, 07:11:01 PM
Yeah Pledging man! I'm sure you know about that ;) So how do you guys feel about pledging your org? You hear all this stuff about skaters and paper etc. Do you really respect someone who didn't have a process that was as hard as yours? Do you respect greeks that didn't take wood or didn't take any physical punishment? Tell the truth damit! >:(



 

u think she should hit me up about pledging??? interesting...

 :D :D :D

seriously.. pm me

Any Deltas in here? I was thinking about pledging.

blk_reign is a delta. you should hit her on pm.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Omegaman on July 15, 2005, 07:16:53 PM
Yeah Pledging man! I'm sure you know about that ;) So how do you guys feel about pledging your org? You hear all this stuff about skaters and paper etc. Do you really respect someone who didn't have a process that was as hard as yours? Do you respect greeks that didn't take wood or didn't take any physical punishment? Tell the truth damit! >:(



I wish it wasn't illegal, but it's all relative you have some that have pledged, and done nothing for their organization and dont live the principles then you have some who are so-called "paper" and take the frat very seriously, but i think the ideals instilled through pledging were destroyed by sick mofos who wanted to just inflict pain. But to me pledging was similar to my army basic training, and I learned alot from both. At NBLSA I asked my frat from UNC what was 1L like, he said it was easier for him, because he had pledged, thought they were similar.
 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on July 17, 2005, 05:52:16 PM
Yeah Pledging man! I'm sure you know about that ;) So how do you guys feel about pledging your org? You hear all this stuff about skaters and paper etc. Do you really respect someone who didn't have a process that was as hard as yours? Do you respect greeks that didn't take wood or didn't take any physical punishment? Tell the truth damit! >:(



I wish it wasn't illegal, but it's all relative you have some that have pledged, and done nothing for their organization and dont live the principles then you have some who are so-called "paper" and take the frat very seriously, but i think the ideals instilled through pledging were destroyed by sick mofos who wanted to just inflict pain. But to me pledging was similar to my army basic training, and I learned alot from both. At NBLSA I asked my frat from UNC what was 1L like, he said it was easier for him, because he had pledged, thought they were similar.
 


Pledging needs to be brought back into the legal forum because the intake process has failed to produce quality in all 9 organizations within the NPHC.  Not only has it failed to produce quality on the whole, but it has also succeeded in encouraging quantity over quality and moreover, it fosters the "I" mentality that is tearing our organizations apart.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 18, 2005, 07:35:31 AM
I have to agree with Sands.. but there have to be some strict guidelines involved regarding the process.. I do believe that it should be universal and shouldn't be region specific.. I think that a lot of problems come from the very different regional traditions...

My parents showed me pictures from back in the day.. and we've all seen some photos from back in the day... the bond was so strong back then...from the clothing..the marching.. the sister/brotherhood..

we need that back..
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 18, 2005, 08:00:22 AM
I think if nationals legalized pledging and brought it back above ground, 90% of the problems involved in hazing would be eliminated. Unfortunately there are some
Sadomasochist jerks out there that don't know how to differentiate between pledging and being ABUSIVE. Sisterhood isn’t about beating someone down until they are in a coma or putting an individual’s life in danger. The process should be about uplifting the organization and building the bonds of sisterhood/brotherhood. Being in California, I’ve seen way too much cattiness between SORORS of the same organization. Also a lot of people are joining these organizations for the wrong reasons. More people are joining to see what they can get out of the organization instead of what they can CONTRIBUTE. My theory is that if individual comes across a member of their organization, they deserve to be treated with dignity and respect REGARDLESS of whatever process they may or may not have had. If there is something they do not know about the organization or they fail to answer a challenge question (which shouldn’t be done in public anyway), pull them aside and help them out. One thing that makes me LOSE MY MIND is when I see people of the SAME organization disrespecting each other in public. What happened to keeping your business in house?

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 18, 2005, 08:18:19 AM
some people don't know what that means... :-\



What happened to keeping your business in house?


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 08:27:28 AM
I think if nationals legalized pledging and brought it back above ground, 90% of the problems involved in hazing would be eliminated. Unfortunately there are some
Sadomasochist jerks out there that don't know how to differentiate between pledging and being ABUSIVE. Sisterhood isn’t about beating someone down until they are in a coma or putting an individual’s life in danger. The process should be about uplifting the organization and building the bonds of sisterhood/brotherhood. Being in California, I’ve seen way too much cattiness between SORORS of the same organization. Also a lot of people are joining these organizations for the wrong reasons. More people are joining to see what they can get out of the organization instead of what they can CONTRIBUTE. My theory is that if individual comes across a member of their organization, they deserve to be treated with dignity and respect REGARDLESS of whatever process they may or may not have had. If there is something they do not know about the organization or they fail to answer a challenge question (which shouldn’t be done in public anyway), pull them aside and help them out. One thing that makes me LOSE MY MIND is when I see people of the SAME organization disrespecting each other in public. What happened to keeping your business in house?



"I think if nationals legalized pledging and brought it back above ground, 90% of the problems involved in hazing would be eliminated. Unfortunately there are some"

I disagree with this because the problems with hazing started when It was legal on campus not illegal. There has always been that one guy/girl that wants to take it too far and pick up a bat or make someone drink poison or some stupid *&^%. However, I do agree with blk in that it should be returned to campus. There has to be a standard hazing practice for all to follow however. Do you guys think that members of an Alumni chapter should be present at each hazing session? I don't know...I think "standard hazing practices" would work in a perfect world but is it realistic?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 18, 2005, 08:39:25 AM
pledging process.. not hazing process... i don't agree with a beating makes a better brother or sister
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 08:45:43 AM
pledging process.. not hazing process... i don't agree with a beating makes a better brother or sister

Taking "wood" is a part pledging no? That's the first, and sometimes the only thing, that I've heard Kappas talk about in regards to their pledge process.     
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 18, 2005, 08:48:52 AM
I'm not a Kappa..nor am I in a fraternity... so I can't speak for what ya'll do ;)

pledging process.. not hazing process... i don't agree with a beating makes a better brother or sister

Taking "wood" is a part pledging no? That's the first, and sometimes the only thing, that I've heard Kappas talk about in regards to their pledge process.     
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 08:51:29 AM
I'm not a Kappa..nor am I in a fraternity... so I can't speak for what ya'll do ;)

pledging process.. not hazing process... i don't agree with a beating makes a better brother or sister

Taking "wood" is a part pledging no? That's the first, and sometimes the only thing, that I've heard Kappas talk about in regards to their pledge process.     

ok
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: j.rosh on July 18, 2005, 09:16:54 AM
I'm not a Kappa..nor am I in a fraternity... so I can't speak for what ya'll do ;)

pledging process.. not hazing process... i don't agree with a beating makes a better brother or sister

Taking "wood" is a part pledging no? That's the first, and sometimes the only thing, that I've heard Kappas talk about in regards to their pledge process.     

ok


If I could join in, how do you treat some Greeks that you meet that didn't go through the same process as you?  Are you welcoming or standoff-ish?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 18, 2005, 09:23:50 AM
well unless you're my line sister you definitely didn't go through the same process that i went through.. that's how i look at it regarding "process"...

but if you respect yourself and the organization...uphold the values that were intended... and willing to give back to the community..work for the organziation and willing to work separate from it.. then we're good
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 09:27:20 AM
I'm not a Kappa..nor am I in a fraternity... so I can't speak for what ya'll do ;)

pledging process.. not hazing process... i don't agree with a beating makes a better brother or sister

Taking "wood" is a part pledging no? That's the first, and sometimes the only thing, that I've heard Kappas talk about in regards to their pledge process.     

ok


If I could join in, how do you treat some Greeks that you meet that didn't go through the same process as you?  Are you welcoming or standoff-ish?

People normally do not talk about their process. It comes up in conversation but it's not like "hey..i'm derrick..I took wood for 15 days in a row and I lost an eye. How was your process?"......I've been around  a lot of Kappas and I've been to many events and the subject never comes up when you first meet someone. It does come up when guys are just sitting around drinking and bullshitting and talking about the good old days. However. It's not a big deal to the vast majority of greeks that I know. Most people don't give a sh*t.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: j.rosh on July 18, 2005, 09:39:42 AM
"It's not a big deal to the vast majority of greeks that I know. Most people don't give a sh*t. "



That must be maturity on y'all part because I don't know that many Greeks aroud here that don't care about that.  It's probably because I'm still in undergrad.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 18, 2005, 09:59:50 AM
people still care trust me... there's even division in some of the graduate chapters...

what organization are you a member of?



"It's not a big deal to the vast majority of greeks that I know. Most people don't give a sh*t. "



That must be maturity on y'all part because I don't know that many Greeks aroud here that don't care about that.  It's probably because I'm still in undergrad.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: YoungIke on July 18, 2005, 10:10:03 AM
Each person is different but true like HBCU said it only comes up when folks are sitting around shooting the sh*t. As long as you bring something to the table and have that discipline and decorum exemplified by the standards of your organization, people will respect you for that.  How much wood you take will only get you so much respect. If you just want to be known as the "rock" that’s cool but you will be missing out on so many of the other benefits to being a part of that organization. Hazing has been a problem for all organizations, but I believe it has a lot to do with undergrads that have low self esteem and use that to make themselves feel good. They then all but ask to be hazed. Hazing is not a fundamental part of any organization. It is the discipline you receive that will define your life and make you a better person. I do believe that bringing things above ground would make things better for those who want to do the right thing, but you would still have to monitor because it would not clean everything up.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 10:23:30 AM
From my experience, in the western province, the vast majority of Kappas don’t get into stuff like that even if they care about it. Some do but most could give a sh*t. I came through on the alumni level and one thing I can tell you is on this level it’s all about putting in work . Period. We don’t hang out and twirl, and step, stroll and we are not in competition for women on the yard etc, etc. It’s about paying dues, fees, raising money, guide-right, community service, chartering chapters, mentoring UG chapters,  and being an officer, etc. Hell, it’s hard to get people that have pledged to participate on the grad level.  If you join an org just put in work and you will be fine. You will get all the respect you need from the right people.  You are not going to be liked by everyone regardless of how you came though and that’s real. We always find a reason to not like someone. You can be hated on because you “pledged” at a PWI, or your kane is longer than another chapter’s kane or you wear your kane on the right side when it should be on the left side or whatever.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: YoungIke on July 18, 2005, 10:34:52 AM
HBCU, I was out at a club with a Nupe who was my brothers LB. Can you belive a chick randomly came up to him and asked if he was a Kappa or a Nupe. WTF was that about! People just say anything out their mouths.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 10:39:20 AM
HBCU, I was out at a club with a Nupe who was my brothers LB. Can you belive a chick randomly came up to him and asked if he was a Kappa or a Nupe. WTF was that about! People just say anything out their mouths.

That has happened to me before as well. Sometimes a girl will ask that because they say you look nice so "you must be a Nupe". I've even had guys say that to me. This one Alpha at work said somethign like that after I told him I was a Nupe "oh, I can tell because......". All orgs have their stereotypes and being a pretty boy is ours.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: YoungIke on July 18, 2005, 10:45:29 AM
No, he had nalia on but she just thought being a Nupe was something totally separate and had the audacity to ask.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 10:51:43 AM
No, he had nalia on but she just thought being a Nupe was something totally separate and had the audacity to ask.

Oh..I see. He should have said.........well, I'll save that for another day. :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: YoungIke on July 18, 2005, 10:53:44 AM
She was a groupie we had fun  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 18, 2005, 10:56:40 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 10:59:56 AM
She was a groupie we had fun  ;)

damn kappas......alot of girls have gone through that groupie period on their life for a few kappa.

 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on July 18, 2005, 11:07:07 AM
some people don't know what that means... :-\



What happened to keeping your business in house?



LET THE CHURCH SAY AMEN!!!!!!!!!

Gotdamnit.  This is the worst thing you can ever do and simultaneously the quickest way to get GDI's not to join your organization.

Again, this comes from the "I" mentality encouraged by the "intake process."  I was fortunate and blessed to be a part of the "traditional" process that I did. Because I went through the that process, I have respect for all brothers, whether you pledged or not, and the one thing that I cannot stand is the individualistic mentality that comes from the intake process.  

If they never learned the meaning of bonding with others that comes from the pledge process, then its those type of cats who are quick to disrespect a brother or sister in public.  And we shouldn't be surprised at that, why would you expect any different?  They obviously don't give a f*ck.  I've seen so many single young men or single young women drop a dime and take down an entire chapter, just so that they can walk around with letters on their chest.  Makes me sick. :P

Somebody asked what do you do if you meet somebody who didn't go through the same process as you?  Like I've said before, in my younger days, I probably wouldn't have f*cked with that cat b/c I was too worried he was gonna drop a dime on my chapter and get us suspended or something like that.  But I've been in the Frat for going on 10 years now, (yes, give me my old head badge damnit) and I have come to see that pledging or paper...either way doesn't matter so long as you are a good brother putting in work with respect for the Frat.

Of course, if you're paper then you're not going to know a lot of the traditions and knowledge that the rest of the brothers have, but as far as I'm concenred we're in this together and I would respect that cat as a brother.  

In 2005, we're at a stage in Kappa where about 85-90% of the organization has gone through the "traditional" process and the other 10-15% has come through the relatively new and legal "intake process".  And Nationals, if you're listening you know its the truth so yeah I said it!  what?!

So is there some disparity in how the two groups interact?  Of course.  That's why you'll never see a National Polemarch (president) who has gone through the paper process.  But is there respect for all brothers, most definitely.

Bottom line, we need a legalized pledge process like Blk Reign said, across the board from coast to coast that is above ground and regulated, and most importanlty, that fosters brotherhood/sisterhood in our membership b/c the "intake process" is not getting the job done.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 11:12:55 AM
co-sign

some people don't know what that means... :-\



What happened to keeping your business in house?



LET THE CHURCH SAY AMEN!!!!!!!!!

Gotdamnit.  This is the worst thing you can ever do and simultaneously the quickest way to get GDI's not to join your organization.

Again, this comes from the "I" mentality encouraged by the "intake process."  I was fortunate and blessed to be a part of the "traditional" process that I did. Because I went through the that process, I have respect for all brothers, whether you pledged or not, and the one thing that I cannot stand is the individualistic mentality that comes from the intake process.  

If they never learned the meaning of bonding with others that comes from the pledge process, then its those type of cats who are quick to disrespect a brother or sister in public.  And we shouldn't be surprised at that, why would you expect any different?  They obviously don't give a f*ck.  I've seen so many single young men or single young women drop a dime and take down an entire chapter, just so that they can walk around with letters on their chest.  Makes me sick. :P

Somebody asked what do you do if you meet somebody who didn't go through the same process as you?  Like I've said before, in my younger days, I probably wouldn't have f*cked with that cat b/c I was too worried he was gonna drop a dime on my chapter and get us suspended or something like that.  But I've been in the Frat for going on 10 years now, (yes, give me my old head badge damnit) and I have come to see that pledging or paper...either way doesn't matter so long as you are a good brother putting in work with respect for the Frat.

Of course, if you're paper then you're not going to know a lot of the traditions and knowledge that the rest of the brothers have, but as far as I'm concenred we're in this together and I would respect that cat as a brother.  

In 2005, we're at a stage in Kappa where about 85-90% of the organization has gone through the "traditional" process and the other 10-15% has come through the relatively new and legal "intake process".  And Nationals, if you're listening you know its the truth so yeah I said it!  what?!

So is there some disparity in how the two groups interact?  Of course.  That's why you'll never see a National Polemarch (president) who has gone through the paper process.  But is there respect for all brothers, most definitely.

Bottom line, we need a legalized pledge process like Blk Reign said, across the board from coast to coast that is above ground and regulated, and most importanlty, that fosters brotherhood/sisterhood in our membership b/c the "intake process" is not getting the job done.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 18, 2005, 11:17:51 AM
HBCU being that you are in an alumni chapter in California, have you encountered some frat brothers who didn't give you love because you decided to go grad?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 11:27:39 AM
HBCU being that you are in an alumni chapter in California, have you encountered some frat brothers who didn't give you love because you decided to go grad?

Yes. I didn't "decicde" to go grad by the way. I had no choice in the matter as there were no Kappas at Morehouse at the time I was there. I have only met 1 a-hole Nupe who made it very clear to me that he didn't like the fact that I went grad. This is a guy that has problems with everyone so I didn't take it personally. I've been to sanoma state, chico state, sac state, and chilled with Kappas from all over the state of california at 2 province meetings and I've never had any other problems. I was elected keeper of records, i've worked with guide right, and I also chartered a chapter so I'm known and respected in my province. When I meet Nupes It's all love. I'm in the history book now ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 18, 2005, 11:30:52 AM
i've heard people say..

ug greek: damn you went grad?

alum greek: yeah the ug chapter was on suspension

ug greek: you should have transferred

--

i just shake my head :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on July 18, 2005, 11:33:52 AM
i've heard people say..

ug greek: damn you went grad?

alum greek: yeah the ug chapter was on suspension

ug greek: you should have transferred

--

i just shake my head :D

LOL

Some brothers go to school just to pledge. Sad I tell ya, sad.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 11:37:47 AM
"So is there some disparity in how the two groups interact?  Of course.  That's why you'll never see a National Polemarch (president) who has gone through the paper process.  But is there respect for all brothers, most definitely."

Sands- We have had a Grand Polemarch that came through an alumni chapter by the way. I can't remember the name. I'll have to look through my CB.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on July 18, 2005, 11:39:29 AM
wow, thats serious. somebody would say you should have transferred. thats almost unbelievable to me (as someone who's not greek). i guess they look at it like if you're a track star you won't go to a school without a track team, but still...  :-\

i've heard people say..

ug greek: damn you went grad?

alum greek: yeah the ug chapter was on suspension

ug greek: you should have transferred

--

i just shake my head :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 11:41:52 AM
i've heard people say..

ug greek: damn you went grad?

alum greek: yeah the ug chapter was on suspension

ug greek: you should have transferred

--

i just shake my head :D

LOL

Some brothers go to school just to pledge. Sad I tell ya, sad.

There was an Alpha that did that who stayed in 4th floor mays hall with me. He went to the university to houston to pledge alpha and came back to Morehouse because he didn't want to be on the first "paper" line at Alpha Rho. He was walking around like he was the sh*t and said that he would not give the Alphas respect when they came back on the yard. Well, the Alphas came back to Morehouse and they started to run *&^% and the groupies came out of the WALLS from Spelman. I think you know the rest of the story. ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on July 18, 2005, 11:42:27 AM
"So is there some disparity in how the two groups interact?  Of course.  That's why you'll never see a National Polemarch (president) who has gone through the paper process.  But is there respect for all brothers, most definitely."

Sands- We have had a Grand Polemarch that came through an alumni chapter by the way. I can't remember the name. I'll have to look through my CB.

I could see it maybe happening back in the day, but definitely not in today's climate.  Going alumni pre-1990 and alumni post-1990 carries two different meanings with all the negative attention that has been created behind all the hazing cases.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 18, 2005, 11:43:21 AM
faith it's a little bit different with the sororities..but there are some sistas..well you get the drift  :D ...honestly the people that i've heard say that were on the west coast.. perhaps they were bloods and crips before they were greek :D

we've had quite a few National Presidents that pledged Alum
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 11:46:02 AM
My favorite quote ever is this : “For every Kappa that doesn’t want to show you respect because you went Alumni there’s about 10 girls that will”
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 11:48:11 AM
"So is there some disparity in how the two groups interact?  Of course.  That's why you'll never see a National Polemarch (president) who has gone through the paper process.  But is there respect for all brothers, most definitely."

Sands- We have had a Grand Polemarch that came through an alumni chapter by the way. I can't remember the name. I'll have to look through my CB.

I could see it maybe happening back in the day, but definitely not in today's climate.  Going alumni pre-1990 and alumni post-1990 carries two different meanings with all the negative attention that has been created behind all the hazing cases.

I agree with you on that..but you did say "never" ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on July 18, 2005, 11:50:50 AM
 i'm mad you said bloods and cripps. so sad...:D

faith it's a little bit different with the sororities..but there are some sistas..well you get the drift  :D ...honestly the people that i've heard say that were on the west coast.. perhaps they were bloods and crips before they were greek :D

we've had quite a few National Presidents that pledged Alum
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on July 18, 2005, 11:53:43 AM
"So is there some disparity in how the two groups interact?  Of course.  That's why you'll never see a National Polemarch (president) who has gone through the paper process.  But is there respect for all brothers, most definitely."

Sands- We have had a Grand Polemarch that came through an alumni chapter by the way. I can't remember the name. I'll have to look through my CB.

I could see it maybe happening back in the day, but definitely not in today's climate.  Going alumni pre-1990 and alumni post-1990 carries two different meanings with all the negative attention that has been created behind all the hazing cases.

I agree with you on that..but you did say "never" ;)

That's right.  You and I will never see it.  Even though they say never say never, you know the internal politics involved in becoming Grand Pole.  The next 3 or 4 Grand Pole's are already set.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 18, 2005, 11:54:54 AM
Oh i have some stories to tell..but i keep my business in house.. LOL
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 11:56:29 AM
"So is there some disparity in how the two groups interact?  Of course.  That's why you'll never see a National Polemarch (president) who has gone through the paper process.  But is there respect for all brothers, most definitely."

Sands- We have had a Grand Polemarch that came through an alumni chapter by the way. I can't remember the name. I'll have to look through my CB.

I could see it maybe happening back in the day, but definitely not in today's climate.  Going alumni pre-1990 and alumni post-1990 carries two different meanings with all the negative attention that has been created behind all the hazing cases.

I agree with you on that..but you did say "never" ;)

That's right.  You and I will never see it.  Even though they say never say never, you know the internal politics involved in becoming Grand Pole.  The next 3 or 4 Grand Pole's are already set.

This is very true.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 18, 2005, 11:59:26 AM
 :D

i'm mad you said bloods and cripps. so sad...:D

faith it's a little bit different with the sororities..but there are some sistas..well you get the drift  :D ...honestly the people that i've heard say that were on the west coast.. perhaps they were bloods and crips before they were greek :D

we've had quite a few National Presidents that pledged Alum
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on July 18, 2005, 02:33:15 PM
another AKA.  reign, you are going to start having to recruit more deltas.  this is ridiculous.

welcome aboard!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: j.rosh on July 18, 2005, 02:34:18 PM
another AKA.  reign, you are going to start having to recruit more deltas.  this is ridiculous.

welcome aboard!


 :)
Thanks.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on July 18, 2005, 05:07:05 PM
yeah...AKAs are definitely deep.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 19, 2005, 05:20:53 AM
There are like four akas including myself on the board.   ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 19, 2005, 06:11:54 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: injustice on July 21, 2005, 06:37:06 AM
There are like four akas including myself on the board.   ;D

SKEEEEEEEEEE WEEEEEE MY SOROR....skeeeeeeee weeeeeeeeee!!!!

DELTA PI '01
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 21, 2005, 06:44:08 AM
Damn......my ears are piercing with crimson blood...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 21, 2005, 07:06:06 AM
how many of you guys are actually active and financial now?? those of you that just graduated from undergrad... what are your plans?? you can definitely be active and in law school
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 21, 2005, 07:09:35 AM
I'm financial but inactive since I have yet to find a grad chapter to transfer membership. I'm still very close to my sorors at my UG though. I'll probably have general membership until after law school.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: injustice on July 21, 2005, 07:25:03 AM
how many of you guys are actually active and financial now?? those of you that just graduated from undergrad... what are your plans?? you can definitely be active and in law school

I am both active and financial.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on July 21, 2005, 10:41:45 AM
Active, financial, and flying to the national Konclave tomorrow morning in St. Louis.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 21, 2005, 10:48:50 AM
Is anyone else going to their nationals soon?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: j.rosh on July 21, 2005, 11:12:50 AM
I'm active and financial.  I went to my first Regionals back in April.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on July 21, 2005, 11:24:37 AM
how many of you guys are actually active and financial now?? those of you that just graduated from undergrad... what are your plans?? you can definitely be active and in law school

I am both active and financial.

welcome injustice
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: ckendall8kp on July 21, 2005, 11:26:44 AM
Damn......my ears are piercing with crimson blood...

OOOO OOP! ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 21, 2005, 11:29:49 AM
blq another delta came out of hiding! Are you happy now?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 21, 2005, 11:40:11 AM
OH BTW Welcome! 

 ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: injustice on July 21, 2005, 09:43:06 PM

welcome injustice

Thank you!!  People on this board are so friendly!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: cali444 on July 25, 2005, 08:33:55 PM

welcome injustice

Thank you!!  People on this board are so friendly!


Hahahaha! Just you wait...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on July 26, 2005, 11:00:37 AM

welcome injustice

Thank you!!  People on this board are so friendly!


Hahahaha! Just you wait...

LOL ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 27, 2005, 07:01:37 AM
Hmmm I don't know what to say...Should this go in the WTF thread?

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3853/hoteghettozetas5sd.png)
Who let this child go to the party like that?

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/2295/lamezetas3qv.jpg)

Why are they wearing other organizations colors?   :o


(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/6073/lamezetas20iu.jpg)
This one is interesting...

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1739/lamezetas33ko.jpg)
I think she is sweating all over her back... Wait are they on a farm? Dear lord...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: YoungIke on July 27, 2005, 07:06:36 AM
WTF Some people try too hard to dis and just make themselves look bad. If you know your the Sh&t you don't have to compete!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: j.rosh on July 27, 2005, 07:10:31 AM
Hmmm I don't know what to say...Should this go in the WTF thread?


 :o... :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 27, 2005, 07:12:32 AM
But Ike..Porky looks good in ANY COLOR... ;)

Let me stop. I just don't get it.

FYI a Zeta friend sent me this. She is too through.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on July 27, 2005, 08:31:54 AM
distasteful and disrespectful... that is all...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 27, 2005, 08:33:55 AM
I'm mad that these broads are sweating like slaves and on a FARM at that.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 27, 2005, 04:11:23 PM
Hmmm...does someone want to explain this to me? Is this real?

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a84/trumind/ClosetParty.jpg)

Edit: The caption on the bottoms says

(Boys in daisy dukes get in free before 11)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on July 27, 2005, 04:45:53 PM
ROFL  :D

holy sh!t that's funny.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on July 27, 2005, 04:47:14 PM
Those brothas aren't on the DL; they on some LD!  :D  :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: _BP_ on July 27, 2005, 08:01:42 PM
Those brothas aren't on the DL; they on some LD!  :D  :P

RBG don't you wear you hair just like the second one from the right?  :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: cali444 on July 27, 2005, 08:27:53 PM
Those brothas aren't on the DL; they on some LD!  :D  :P

RBG don't you wear you hair just like the second one from the right?  :P

LMAO.  RBG, you know it's true.

That's not for real, is it?  It can't be!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on July 28, 2005, 07:32:02 AM
Those brothas aren't on the DL; they on some LD!  :D  :P

RBG don't you wear you hair just like the second one from the right?  :P

No. At least I hope not.  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on July 28, 2005, 07:32:56 AM
RBG You DO WEAR YOUR HAIR LIKE THAT!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on July 28, 2005, 08:28:01 AM
RBG You DO WEAR YOUR HAIR LIKE THAT!

no way
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on August 03, 2005, 01:41:20 PM
new poll
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on August 04, 2005, 06:34:31 AM
who's the rat bast-ahd that said no?  shame shame
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: THE BLUE SWEATER on August 06, 2005, 03:36:07 PM
Am I the one guy here who wasnt in a frat?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on August 06, 2005, 07:32:17 PM
Am I the one guy here who wasnt in a frat?

I'm not.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: mr*mouth*piece on August 10, 2005, 11:01:15 AM
does anyone on here read the series As The Sands Burn and As the Sands Burn Beyod (  www.asthesandsburn.com )
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on August 10, 2005, 01:00:28 PM
Actually my good friend is the creator of the series. He's an Alpha from Beta Chapter. He also does the Howard Homecoming website.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on August 10, 2005, 01:08:13 PM
who's the rat bast-ahd that said no?  shame shame

now there are 3 bast-ahds  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on August 11, 2005, 12:58:18 PM
From: "Buckhanan, Dorothy"
Subject: RE: FW: Good News - Induction of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
>Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:10:26 -0500
>
>
To:Central's Leadership Team--Hot off the Press--see note from Supreme
Basileus White below. This event is scheduled during our Public Policy
Conference.
Soror Dorothy B.

> > Dear Sorors,
> >
> > I am pleased to inform you that Senatory Hillary Rodham Clinton accepts
with pleasure our gracious invitation to become an honorary member of Alpha
Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated. The ceremony is tentatively scheduled
for September 22, 2005 between l0:00 A.M. and 12:00 P.M. in the Capitol
Rotunda. Further information is forthcoming.

Sisterly,

Linda

*************************************************
Events: Public Policy Conference
September 22-24, 2005
8th Annual Public Policy Conference
Renaissance Washington, DC Hotel Washington, DC

The National Connection Committee invites you to attend the Alpha Kappa
Alpha Public Policy Conference, which will coincide with the 35th Annual
Legislative Conference of the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation (CBC).
Sorors will have an opportunity to hear scholars and legislative experts
discuss topics germane to AKA programs and activities as well as attend a
breakfast that is being planned for your enjoyment. Additionally, sorors
will have an opportunity to visit with their individual legislators to
advocate for issues of importance to our communities. While we encourage the
wearing of pink and green while in Washington, DC, a pink and green day on
Capitol Hill is an AKA event you won't want to miss.

During the CBC Annual Legislative Conference, sorors can also participate in
issue forums and braintrust meetings, National Town Hall Meeting, Annual
Prayer Breakfast, and a variety of social and legislative activities that
are being planned. Registration for these and other activities is a separate
charge from the AKA Public Policy Conference.

Below is a tentative agenda that includes allowances for both the Public
Policy Conference and the CBC Legislative Conference. Please check back
periodically for updates to the agenda for the Public Policy Conference so
that you may more definitively schedule your appointment with your
legislator(s).

Online Registration will be available beginning July 11, 2005 in Members
Only by clicking on the Upcoming Events tab or you can download the
registration form and submit it to Corporate Office.

Hotel reservations at the Renaissance Washington DC should be made via the
Congressional Black Caucus Foundation website at
http://www.cbcfinc.org/ALC/travel.html. The room rates are $199 single and
$224 double; once you select the option to Make Reservation you will be
asked for an access code which is CBCAKA06. Please use this same code when
calling the toll-free reservation number for Marriott Properties:
1-800-266-9432.

TENTATIVE AGENDA*
Wednesday
AKA Registration and Distribution of CBC Registration Material
(9:00 a.m. 12 noon)
CBC Opening Session

Thursday
CBC Braintrust/Issue Forums
AKA Registration
(6:00 pm)Renaissance Hotel
CBC Receptions

Friday (Pink & Green Day)
AKA Opening Session (Breakfast)
Office Visits with Legislators
Capitol Hill Picture
AKA Reception
CBC Receptions

Saturday (until 1:00pm)
CBC Prayer Breakfast
AKA Closing Session
CBC Banquet and Gala

*Bring a white dress for possible Capitol Hill Event
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Young Esq. on August 11, 2005, 01:15:33 PM
I would have to say I'm not a fan of the honarary thing. Will she really take the time to learn everything about AKA that she should know. If so I have no problems.

From: "Buckhanan, Dorothy"
Subject: RE: FW: Good News - Induction of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
>Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:10:26 -0500
>
>
To:Central's Leadership Team--Hot off the Press--see note from Supreme
Basileus White below. This event is scheduled during our Public Policy
Conference.
Soror Dorothy B.

> > Dear Sorors,
> >
> > I am pleased to inform you that Senatory Hillary Rodham Clinton accepts
with pleasure our gracious invitation to become an honorary member of Alpha
Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated. The ceremony is tentatively scheduled
for September 22, 2005 between l0:00 A.M. and 12:00 P.M. in the Capitol
Rotunda. Further information is forthcoming.

Sisterly,

Linda

*************************************************
Events: Public Policy Conference
September 22-24, 2005
8th Annual Public Policy Conference
Renaissance Washington, DC Hotel Washington, DC

The National Connection Committee invites you to attend the Alpha Kappa
Alpha Public Policy Conference, which will coincide with the 35th Annual
Legislative Conference of the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation (CBC).
Sorors will have an opportunity to hear scholars and legislative experts
discuss topics germane to AKA programs and activities as well as attend a
breakfast that is being planned for your enjoyment. Additionally, sorors
will have an opportunity to visit with their individual legislators to
advocate for issues of importance to our communities. While we encourage the
wearing of pink and green while in Washington, DC, a pink and green day on
Capitol Hill is an AKA event you won't want to miss.

During the CBC Annual Legislative Conference, sorors can also participate in
issue forums and braintrust meetings, National Town Hall Meeting, Annual
Prayer Breakfast, and a variety of social and legislative activities that
are being planned. Registration for these and other activities is a separate
charge from the AKA Public Policy Conference.

Below is a tentative agenda that includes allowances for both the Public
Policy Conference and the CBC Legislative Conference. Please check back
periodically for updates to the agenda for the Public Policy Conference so
that you may more definitively schedule your appointment with your
legislator(s).

Online Registration will be available beginning July 11, 2005 in Members
Only by clicking on the Upcoming Events tab or you can download the
registration form and submit it to Corporate Office.

Hotel reservations at the Renaissance Washington DC should be made via the
Congressional Black Caucus Foundation website at
http://www.cbcfinc.org/ALC/travel.html. The room rates are $199 single and
$224 double; once you select the option to Make Reservation you will be
asked for an access code which is CBCAKA06. Please use this same code when
calling the toll-free reservation number for Marriott Properties:
1-800-266-9432.

TENTATIVE AGENDA*
Wednesday
AKA Registration and Distribution of CBC Registration Material
(9:00 a.m. 12 noon)
CBC Opening Session

Thursday
CBC Braintrust/Issue Forums
AKA Registration
(6:00 pm)Renaissance Hotel
CBC Receptions

Friday (Pink & Green Day)
AKA Opening Session (Breakfast)
Office Visits with Legislators
Capitol Hill Picture
AKA Reception
CBC Receptions

Saturday (until 1:00pm)
CBC Prayer Breakfast
AKA Closing Session
CBC Banquet and Gala

*Bring a white dress for possible Capitol Hill Event

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on August 11, 2005, 01:22:53 PM
do you really think that Hillary is going to learn the AKA founders Ike?  :D :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on August 11, 2005, 02:40:27 PM
Personally I'm not a fan of certain...ummm membership intake procedures promoted by Nationals. The concept of honorary membership in BGLOs is for publicity purposes  in my opinion. Some of these people probably have no idea what it means to be in these organizations.

Nevertheless I support any member of my organization and I embrace them as a sister.   ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on August 12, 2005, 08:08:00 AM
I would have to say I'm not a fan of the honarary thing. Will she really take the time to learn everything about AKA that she should know. If so I have no problems.

I would have to agree with you 100%, nupe.  I'm glad Kappa doesn't make any honorary members.  I know a few of the other org's don't either.  If somebody's going to be a member they should join of their own free will.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on August 12, 2005, 10:06:42 AM
Like I said, the whole idea of having honorary membership is for publicity purposes in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Young Esq. on August 12, 2005, 10:54:45 AM
Like I said, the whole idea of having honorary membership is for publicity purposes in my opinion.

Question, when Alicia Keys crossed at columbia. Was that honorary or did she actualy have to learn all the info
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on August 12, 2005, 10:57:51 AM
I didn't even know alicia keys crossed greek.  word?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on August 12, 2005, 11:06:44 AM
Well Cartel, not to be rude or anything but why do you care of Alicia Keys learned all the information? What concern is it to you? Does it concern Kappa Alpha Psi?   :P

Just curious

I'm assuming she did but then again I wasn't there.

And Ms. Alicia Keys is an honorary member I believe.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Young Esq. on August 12, 2005, 11:51:08 AM
Well Cartel, not to be rude or anything but why do you care of Alicia Keys learned all the information? What concern is it to you? Does it concern Kappa Alpha Psi?   :P

Just curious

I'm assuming she did but then again I wasn't there.

And Ms. Alicia Keys is an honorary member I believe.

WELL, Excuussseee ME

didn't mean to be all in you business. I just read it in the Afro a while back.

Touchy, Touchy!!!

It's all love Regal, don't be made. You know I love you Ivy Complex
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on August 12, 2005, 12:42:08 PM
I'm not upset Mr.I have a pretty boy complex.

I mean how would it look if I went up to a Kappa and challenged him? What right do I have to ask a Kappa if he knows his information?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Young Esq. on August 14, 2005, 05:36:09 PM
Ms. Ivy complex, your point is well taken. I was not trying to diminish her status in an organization that I am not even apart of. My curiosity was sparked because she crossed at Columbia, and she was actually a student there at the time and may still be, which led me to think I wonder if she is around campus chilling on a regular basis like regular students who are not as recognizable. Anyway this topic is dead and I respect and agree with your views on the issue Regal. No more inquiries on procedural manners of any organization. That violates the discretion in which we all are expected to up hold.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on August 18, 2005, 09:02:50 AM
DATE:   August 18, 2005

TO:       Members of the Historically African-American Greek-Lettered
Sororities and Fraternities

FROM:   Dr. Michael V. Bowie, NPHC National President

RE:        Malicious Fliers


Greetings My Fellow Sisters and Brothers in Greek-Lettered NPHC
Affiliate Organizations,

Recently, there have been a number of malicious fliers/e-mails sent
through many list serves depicting men of our beloved organizations as
gay or bisexual. These fliers are a disservice to our organizations
AND members of the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender
communities.  Although, it would be ignorant to believe that our
organizations do not have members who have different sexual
orientations, it is malicious to create FICTITIOUS documents depicting
these differences.

The greatest disservice, however, is the fact that we continue to
support this madness by sending these messages to more and more list
serves.  We are intelligent, college-educated men and women.  I ask
that if any inappropriate messages and/or fliers arrive in your
electronic mailbox, that you delete it and send a separate message to
the sender that it is inappropriate to send these type of messages.  I
thank you in advance for heeding this message.  Silence can be a sign
of acceptance.


Dr. Michael V. Bowie
National President
National Pan-Hellenic Council, Inc.
P.O. Box 117045
Gainesville, FL  32611-7045
(352) 392-9196 Ext. 21
President@nphchq.org
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on August 18, 2005, 11:03:55 AM
How dumb can people be these days....

How dumb can people be these days....


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=25002837&Mytoken=200508172

No wonder folks get suspended...Shame shame shame..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/Powwow64/Pledge.jpg)

Or chapters pulled...Is that red pleather?  :-\
(http://myspace-226.vo.llnwd.net/00185/62/27/185987226_l.jpg)

Then again what do you expect from n-word?   :-X
(http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/8600/185987622l7ma.png)

All they need now is an onion and a paddle to complete the picture.  ::) ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on August 18, 2005, 12:00:20 PM
 :o
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on August 18, 2005, 12:09:34 PM
ew
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Steve Butabi on November 18, 2005, 06:41:27 AM
my hazing was harder than that *&^%, the black frats here are full of urkel pusswagons
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on November 19, 2005, 10:22:48 AM
my hazing was harder than that *&^%, the black frats here are full of urkel pusswagons

I'll put that up to the pepsi challenge any day of the week on that, my friend...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: partyguy708 on November 26, 2005, 05:02:39 PM
WoW!!! Black, Republican, Proud.  Something here is mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Steve Butabi on November 30, 2005, 01:02:41 PM
my hazing was harder than that *&^%, the black frats here are full of urkel pusswagons

I'll put that up to the pepsi challenge any day of the week on that, my friend...

too bad we'll never know
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 05, 2005, 11:17:04 AM
Unfortunately, this article comes from my alma mater:

The Greek Divide
Cultural differences limit diversity By Louis Mora Published: Monday, December 5, 2005

Kelsey Schepmann studies the history hanging on the walls of the Gamma Phi Beta sorority house. She pays close attention to a 1915 photo of the founding women, 21 of them, in lace dresses and hair in neatly tied buns.

She circles the rows of composites lining the study room.

Row after row of fair-skinned women pass her by until she reaches the corner of the room where one face stands out among 151 women. It’s Schepmann, the only African-American member in the chapter. The realization causes her to laugh without a smile.

“We are all of the human race. What’s going on?” she asked. “We have come so far but we don’t have diversity?”

Forty years after the University of Kansas’ traditional greek organizations removed clauses from their constitutions preventing African-American membership, University fraternities and sororities remain more than 99 percent white. Schepmann is one of only 13 African Americans among the 3,000 members of traditional greek chapters.

The student body of 26,934 has 912 African Americans or about 3.4 percent. The Interfraternity Council and Panhellenic organizations have 32 fraternities and sororities, and 22 have no black members.

While the organizations’ once racially exclusive histories still make it difficult to recruit African Americans, other factors, including the cultural and economic divide, have created barriers. High costs and houses dominated by whites have African Americans looking elsewhere for housing. Traditional greek members hail from upper- to middle-class, suburban white backgrounds while African Americans are associated with an urban, working class culture. These differences have fostered stereotypes about both sides.

The cultural divide

When Jeisun Lawson, Overland Park junior, hits the Lawrence nightlife with his black friends he doesn’t worry about what he says or how he acts. He can let loose to the R&B and rap beats of artists such as Kanye West, Dr.Dre and Twista.

But when he goes home to the Theta Chi house, where he’s the only African-American member, his demeanor becomes introverted.

The free-spirited personality he demonstrates with brothers from his own culture is shed. He can’t slip into his Ebonics vocabulary when he’s around men from the chapter, he said.

“When I’m around a majority of whites I have to keep my guard up and have to watch what I say,” he said.

Lawson said the decision to join an IFC fraternity or one of the black fraternities of the National Pan-Hellenic Council was the toughest decision he’s made and one he now regrets. He has decided to leave Theta Chi to join a black fraternity.

The language of Ebonics, which he uses with black friends and which dominates songs he listens to, is difficult for his white fraternity bothers to comprehend, he said.

He said Theta Chi provided a sense of brotherhood, but in NPHC fraternities brotherhood runs deeper than just a group of friends; it’s a bond shared through common culture.

He said if there were another African American in his chapter he would have reconsidered, but with no one to connect with culturally, living in the house was difficult.

“It’s like going away to a place you’ve never been and you’re kind of homesick,” he said.

Emi Erekosima, Rosehill freshman and the only African-American member of Alpha Delta Pi, recalls similar feelings of displacement when sorority members reacted to her skin color during open recruitment.

When introduced at one of the houses, she said her skin color triggered this response from a member: “My best friend is black.”

Later, when they were going out for dessert, a member asked, “Are you going to eat vanilla? I heard all black people eat vanilla.”

“I felt I was going to be the token,” she said about that chapter.

She said at Alpha Delta Pi she wasn’t treated differently, but after she joined, her black friends started to tease her about being the only black in the house.

Friends upset her when they called her an “Oreo” because of her involvement in a “white” sorority.

Erekosima said she has not forgotten her ethnic roots. She is a member of the Black Student Union and said she doesn’t have to talk or act a certain way to be considered black.

“If they could just see past the whole idea, ‘I have to act this way because I have to be black,’ I think they might join a fraternity or sorority,” she said.

Sampson Yimer, Lawrence junior and the only African-American member of Sigma Chi, said the lack of diversity stems from vastly different cultures rather than skin color.

Yimer recalls being asked by a white woman, “Well, why didn’t you join a black fraternity?” His answer: Why do we expect all blacks to fit into a socially constructed box by joining members of their own ethnic culture?

“Regardless of color of skin, if everybody acted the same there wouldn’t be these racial hatreds,” he said. “It’s the difference in culture that breeds racial hatred.”

The battle of urban vs. suburban

Freshmen dues for sorority members range from $1,016 to $2,443. Living in the house sophomore and junior years can cost anywhere from $4,600 to $7,300. The cost is far greater than dues of the historically black NPHC sororities and fraternities where members pay only $100 to $200 for dues.

The five historically black chapters at the University are much smaller, don’t have lavish, pillared houses like the traditional greeks and hold meetings in the Kansas Union.

Christina Strubbe, Leawood senior and 2005 Panhellenic president, said the lack of African Americans could be the result of the “ridiculous fees” traditional greeks paid.

Erekosima said if cost deters African Americans from joining a sorority, it shouldn’t.

She said scholarships and financial assistance are available. She said members weren’t punished for missing a payment and would not be kicked out even if they did.

“People look at the book price and don’t see what they are gaining from it,” she said.

Strubbe said the absence of African Americans has as much to do with a clash of urban and suburban culture as it does economics. She said a majority of sorority members are from areas like Johnson County and North Shore Chicago, which are heavily populated by affluent whites.

Erekosima said one’s background plays a role. Coming from Rosehill, where there were only three African Americans in her high school, made her feel comfortable with a group of white women who came from the same background.

“I haven’t met anybody who’s from the ghetto,” she said.

Scarred by the past

Laura Bauer, the University’s program director for fraternity and sorority life, said the chapters still face the problems of their racist past.

She said they’ve made strides, but admitted, “Historically, there is an uphill battle. They don’t have a glowing history.”
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 05, 2005, 11:18:22 AM

The constitution of Sigma Chi fraternity in 1959 read, “No person shall be eligible to membership in the Sigma Chi fraternity who is not a bona fide white male student in the college or university in which the chapter proposing his initiation is charted.” These clauses existed in other greek houses, prohibiting black membership.

Exclusion of blacks caused then-Chancellor W. Clarke Wescoe to issue a statement on July 1, 1962, asking for the removal of discriminatory clauses.

The last clause was removed nearly three years later when Sigma Nu fraternity received a waiver from its national council to eliminate the white only rule on March 4, 1965.

The words had been removed, but discriminatory practices remained through blackballing tactics that included negative letters of recommendation from white alumni for black pledges and a voting system where one “no” vote eliminated a potential member.

On March 8, 1965, the segregation problem boiled over when more than 150 students from the Civil Rights Council conducted a sit-in at the chancellor’s office, protesting the practices of fraternities and sororities along with other civil rights issues.

The council asked Wescoe to reassure African-American students that the sororities and fraternities no longer practiced racial discrimination by providing a signed statement from the chapters.

The Kansas Board of Regents put an official stop to segregation practices on Sept. 27, 1965. It established a policy eliminating discrimination in all fraternities and sororities at the six Kansas colleges.

That racist history is still remembered by the African-American community. Erekosima’s black friends reminded her about the problems they felt still existed.

When she joined, her black friends warned her that sororities wouldn’t let her in, because they select only a few “token” minorities, or that alumni wouldn’t approve her membership. But she was invited and joined.

Misunderstandings and insensitivities still exist she said. She said this year’s Delta Delta Delta bid day shirt reflected those insensitivies. It featured the Dukes of Hazzard theme with the unmistakable stars and bars of the Confederate flag.

“It’s a symbol of racism. It’s rude,” she said. “They didn’t think before they made the shirt.”

She said they were oblivious to racial issues and should be more sensitive.

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Who do you know?

With greek members coming from suburban areas that lack diversity, the problem only continues as chapters recruit the people they know.

The fraternities conduct their formal recruitment in the summer. Scott Shorten, Stillwell senior and 2005 IFC president, said all incoming freshmen receive information but recruits usually have a connection with a chapter, whether through friends or family.

“There’s an incentive to get the members who are the easiest to get,” he said.

Chapters needed to go beyond normal recruiting methods and pursue a diverse group by finding ways to pique their interest, Bauer said.

“It’s a fear of the unknown,” she said. “It’s having the guts to step out of the box.”

Richard Young, Overland Park junior and 2005 IFC vice president for recruitment, said informational programs could generate interest from African Americans.

He said better informing African Americans so they wouldn’t feel like outsiders could help, but ultimately the decision to join was on their shoulders.

“I don’t want to force a minority to join an IFC chapter if they don’t want to, just so we can better our situation,” he said.

Yimer, Sigma Chi member, said blacks shouldn’t blame the greek system because the opportunity to join exists for everyone. He said blacks have to become more open-minded and make an effort to join the organizations.

Strubbe said it was difficult to recruit African Americans because they gravitated toward organizations that fit their culture and values.

She said an African-American woman joined her sorority, Kappa Kappa Gamma, this year, which excited her but opened her eyes to the issue.

“Is it exciting that we have an African American in our chapter or is it disappointing that we are excited?” she said. “I’m excited to get some diversity in our chapter, but it shouldn’t be that way.”

Black members said attracting more diversity could be as simple as discussing the topic of race, which Yimer said was considered “taboo.” When people can’t discuss the issue, it only continues misconceptions, he said.

“It’s something that we shouldn’t shy away from,” he said. “We should confront the issue head on.”

Strubbe said diversity or race issues were not a focus for sororities and were seldom discussed. Efforts being made by both councils to work with NPHC could help to resolve problems, she said.

Strubbe said that having traditional greeks participating in NPHC’s step show last year and having its members involved in this year’s Greek Endeavor, a retreat for incoming freshmen in the greek organizations, has provided exposure to cultural differences.

“We are just trying to get it,” she said. “Maybe we don’t have a huge number of African Americans within our own council, but at least we are trying to learn more about their organization and why their culture is so important to them.”

Schepmann turns away from the sea of white faces staring back at her from the walls. She talks about stepping up and erasing the divide between races that has existed far too long.

She said she would like to pursue a role in the Panhellenic community that would allow her to share her message with other African-American women so she could one day return to the study room of Gamma Phi Beta to find more faces that look like her.

“If people work hard and people are genuine, it will change,” she said. “It’s not going to be easy but with enough will-power, it could.”
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Steve Butabi on December 08, 2005, 06:21:08 AM
how many black fraternities and sororities do you know that have white members?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on December 08, 2005, 06:51:28 AM
they all do...

how many black fraternities and sororities do you know that have white members?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on December 08, 2005, 06:52:42 AM
yep all 9 orgs....
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Steve Butabi on December 08, 2005, 07:24:21 AM
huh, that's really interesting. I attended 2 colleges, and none of the black greek organizations had a single white member. In fact, a white guy tried to rush some black org and he got beat up pretty bad.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on December 08, 2005, 07:39:51 AM
depends on where you go..if there aren't any white members 9 out of 10 they don't attempt to participate in the Membership Intake Process of BGLOs...just as there isn't an influx of blacks joining prodom white fraternities and sororities ( u have your ocassional 1 or 2) same applies with black greek orgs... I don't remember any whites attending any informationals on the campuses that I was active on...

huh, that's really interesting. I attended 2 colleges, and none of the black greek organizations had a single white member. In fact, a white guy tried to rush some black org and he got beat up pretty bad.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on December 08, 2005, 07:41:27 AM
I agree with you Blk....didn't see too many white people at informationals in undergrad.

Steve..what school did you go to where the white guy got beat up?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Electric2006 on December 08, 2005, 11:44:29 AM
First of all SKEEEEEEEE WEEEEEEE to MY lovely sorors of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, IIIINNNNNCCCCCCorporated.

Skee-Phi Frat!

I went to a predominantly white institution and at my school historically white sororities like Kappa Kappa Gamma, were actually predominantly minorities.  They had more women of color in their chapter than we did!!  It was an interesting phenomenon actually, but probably limited to my campus. 

I was friends with one of the girls and she was saying that she didn't know about historically black sororities when she came to school and her freshman (white) roomates were rushing sororities so she just went with them.  So I think timing might play a factor, women rush NPC sororities their Freshman fall, and correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you can join ANY of the Divine 9 without at least one semester of grades. 

My chapter did not have any "white" members, but we had a couple who could pass, and one of my line sisters is Middle Eastern which some consider "white." 

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 08, 2005, 12:05:11 PM
This is the letter I wrote to the author, and his response below:

You did a good thing by bringing up a hot topic and putting it in the spotlight when most people don't want to talk about it and would not talk about it.  The only way to address race relations is to do just that - address them.  So you should first be commended for choosing to tackle this topic in the Kansan.

A group of Alumni have read your article, and there are some suggestions we have for future articles or for any responses that may be written on account of this article that we feel would be beneficial to include.

For starters, when dealing with race or any topic for that matter, I'm sure the Kansan urges you to gather both sides of the story, yet an NPHC representative was not quoted in the article at all, nor where any of its affiliate member organizations that are present at KU currently.  This gives the article a one-sided tone that I'm sure was not your intention.

Furthermore, while we understand that the article is seeking to address racial divides between IFC, NPC and NPHC, the proposition of the article rests on a faulty presumption - that being that African American membership in the NPHC is a bad thing.  Rather, I submit that it is a good thing that should be celebrated in light of the historical significance of the NPHC.  Diversity within the greek system should not be measured by how many black students join the IFC (although that is one small indicator) but rather, it should be measured by how much interaction the greek councils have with each other.  To focus on only membership into IFC or NPC is to deny the legitimacy of the NPHC.

Moreover, there are certain controversial issues that I'm surprised the editors didn't omit, for example the term "Ebonics."  It is true that this term was coined by black educators, however, notwithstanding its source, it is still not a term that is totally accepted by the black community as a whole because it generates a negative connotation that Blacks lack the abilty to speak proper English, which has the potential to offend many readers. 

There are many other insights and issues that the article raises on both sides, but I'll lead with those for now until you respond. 

Thanks,

"Sands"
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Thank you for your response. Your insight does raise some issues that I really didn't see at first glance and if I had to do things over again there are certainly some aspects that I would have addressed. Failing to include NPHC in my story was not my intention and something I should have included.

I agree that African American membership in NPHC is a positive thing and hopefully did not get in my article that NPHC membership is seen as negative. I agree it should be celebrated. It's a sign of culture and pride. As far as interaction, well that was nonexistent up until this year. Things are starting to move between the three councils but still have a long ways to go. The point I wanted to get across is these organizations once prohibited black membership, but even now the issue still remains. They said they would like to see more diversity but fail to interact with other cultural groups. You don't see them having discussions with the Black Student Union or Hispanic American Leadership Organization. In no way did I intended to discredit the legitimacy of NPHC.

As for the term "Ebonics." That's how my source referenced the language and that's what I feel comfortable with as I have heard it referenced in my linguistics classes. I don't know what you would recommend. I'm sure there are several other things I left out but you must remember this is just a newspaper article. I'm sure I could have written an entire book on the topic after talking with different sources and doing countless hours of research. Please feel free to contact me with any other feedback. This only helps me become aware of what I can't see and helps me become a better reporter.
Thanks,
"Author"
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 11, 2005, 10:27:16 AM
"Hazing Out" the Membership Intake Process in Sororities and Fraternities: Preserving the Integrity of the Pledge Process Versus Addressing Hazing Liability
Dara Aquila Govan
Spring 2001
53 Rutgers L. Rev. 679




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The popularity of Greek life became more eminent in the 1980s. 60 National fraternity and sorority membership "nearly doubled from 1980 to 1986." 61 Simultaneously, an increase in the reported incidents of hazing blemished the reputations of these organizations. 62 Since 1970, there were "54 fraternity hazing deaths[,] 2 sorority hazing deaths[,] and 36 fraternity/sorority deaths from falls, usually involving alcohol, with hundreds of incidents of injury reported as well." 63

"In the early part of the century, hazing consisted of rough-and-tumble antics such as swats with paddles ... . But this "old-fashioned' hazing eventually evolved into public stunts, humiliating games, punishing physical exercises and other forms of psychological discomfort." 64 By the 1980s, hazing claimed the lives of many students and injured even more. 65

In the 1990s fraternity and sorority membership fluctuated, reflecting a negative response to publicized hazing incidents. 66 Within a semester, fraternity membership dropped by 1,000 members in the early 1990s. 67 "Generally you [would] see with the men, the numbers change, and you [would] see a drop in membership when there [were] major hazing incidents." 68

In 1990, at the National Pan-Hellenic Council ("NPHC") National Convention, the body voted to eliminate the traditional pledge program. 69 The elimination of the traditional pledge process for Black Greek Letter Organizations was objected to by younger members of the member organizations. 70 In lieu of pledging, the body elected to utilize a degraded form of membership building, and a disgraceful process called the "New Membership Intake Process" ("MIP"). 71 However,  [*688]  BGLO's were not the only organizations to respond this way. "Some (white) fraternities and sororities even have rid their recruitment process of pledging, the initiation period for prospective members, or have shortened pledging." 72 MIP is a two to three week process (and even less time for some organizations) designed "to reduce the window of opportunity for hazing." 73 Instead of doing so, the MIP increased the window of opportunity for hazing, as the behaviors were driven underground without supervision.

Despite the adoption of the MIP, 74 these organizations have continued to increasingly face hazing-related "incidents and lawsuits." 75 These lawsuits have cost up to two and one-quarter million dollars for some organizations. 76 Even more, these incidents have caused the degradation of the pledge process for a less meaningful and helpful membership intake.
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Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 11, 2005, 10:54:04 AM
In the past, pledging "allowed active members to engage prospective members in a series of tasks and other challenges... . Tasks ... were originally intended to educate or prepare pledges for membership." 236 The process would last for several weeks, and was meant to strip away the individuality of pledges through humbling activities, and to replace that individuality with an "understanding that one's own actions will affect the entire group." 237 However, MIP replaced the pledge process, with less interaction between active members and prospective members, less selectivity, and with little input from members of the affected chapters and organizations. 238

The change in procedure has given birth to a divide among members who pledged and members who do not. 239 As one fraternity member explained:


 
The no-pledge policy was to [sic] drastic a change which seemed to be taken without any input from the majority of the members of the fraternities [and sororities'] undergraduate chapters. This shows a division, a rift of communication between undergraduate chapters and the National Administration. Many of the undergraduate chapters have ideas and processes that would reduce hazing and still keep the idea of fraternities and sororities as organizations of the communities but still something that [demands] great sacrifices and love for the organization. Basically our organizations have become no more than an organization like the Black Caucus or NAACP. Pay your dues and you are a member. No devotion or  [*709]  loyalty for our organizations can be learned through a no-pledge intake process. 240
 
In a study on the perception of the no-pledge policy adopted by several organizations, 59.6% of fraternity and sorority members surveyed felt they didn't have a voice in the implementation of the new policy, 83.2% did not feel that the quality of members would improve as a result of MIP, 78.4% felt the new process would not eliminate hazing; and 79.2% felt the new process would degrade the traditions and history of the organizations. 241

In sum, until a more suitable process is created, chapters will continue to subject prospective members to underground pledging and people will continue to get hurt. 242
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on December 12, 2005, 09:44:50 PM
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=446039&songID=3173522

my boy just sent me this link to an AKA song. I'm sure the AKA's on the board will like it.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on December 15, 2005, 07:29:46 PM
wassup HBCU!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on December 16, 2005, 05:23:26 AM
wassup HBCU!

What's up shawty?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: aplegrand on December 18, 2005, 01:29:45 PM
Whattup National Pan... I'm new to the boards and I'm looking for any bruhs on the boards. Omega Psi Phi... til the day that I die..
Roo
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: maxambit on December 19, 2005, 05:10:41 PM
1Ls or 2Ls

Are you working with your local graduate chapters while in law school?

Law School Applicants


Do you intend to join or work with the graduate chapter near your law school?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on December 19, 2005, 05:31:04 PM
I plan to work with the graduate chapter close to me in LS.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on December 19, 2005, 06:02:47 PM
i was active..went to chapter meetings every month...wasn't able to attend all community service events of the yr but i was active with most of them.. also stepped with step team my 2L&3L.. .too old for stepping now so i went out with a bang ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on December 19, 2005, 06:43:54 PM
 :P next semester.....well, I'll do it my 2L. keep a smile in your heart...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on December 26, 2005, 06:52:01 AM
I'm all late with the response, but I intend to stay active with my current grad chapter while in law school - I figure it'll provide a much needed diversion from "the grind" :)

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Ed on December 26, 2005, 08:00:48 AM
I inquired about involvement in order to learn more about how some Black Greek chapters may be helping Black graduate professional students. I think it's important to join with graduate Black Greek chapters. A strong support system should be there for law school students. In fact, in big cities, I think they should be heavily involved in career mentorship and helping with the financial challenges their law school brothers and sisters have to deal with.

For instance, many professional brothers and sisters have become real estate investors during the post dot-com bust era. Frat and Soros could pull their resources to invest in duplexes or apartment complexes that would give a few Black graduate students a discount on their living expenses. Or they could let graduate students stay in guest houses if they have them. This would be a form of financial scholarship.

Additionally, the very financially successful and influential members of these graduate chapters could use their networks and wealth to help land better part-time jobs/internships for law, business, and medical school students who have to foot the bill for their professional graduate educations. If their organizations chose undergraduate members wisely, then there should be little doubt that investing in the young brothers and sisters who have no silver spoons or very little money saved would be an investment that would pay off in the form of another well-educated Black man or woman who would one-day control significant economic resources and be able resdistribute them to others when they need similar help.

Black Greeks are members of academic excellence, leadership, and civic development focused organizations and these qualities are those we should put our money behind via graduate chapters.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 27, 2005, 10:00:59 AM
1Ls or 2Ls

Are you working with your local graduate chapters while in law school?

Law School Applicants


Do you intend to join or work with the graduate chapter near your law school?

That was the first thing I looked up before I even got out to the east coast.  Yes to both questions.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2006, 09:41:35 AM
is it worth pledging as a law student?  why or why not?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2006, 09:43:28 AM
only you can answer that question..what do you want to bring to the sorority and what do you want it to bring to you ?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2006, 09:49:01 AM
this is a hypothetical of course.

but I would assume the professional student thinking about pledging would be interested in the "fellowship" as well as potential networking contacts--presumably he/she would be able to add muscle and intellectual capital to the organization...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Hybrid Vigor on January 11, 2006, 09:45:54 AM
Secret Handshake Reveals Principal's Stretched Resume
Principal Resigns; Cites Personal Reasons

POSTED: 2:01 pm EST January 10, 2006

CLEVELAND -- Busted!

A charter-school principal in Cleveland has resigned, after failing to recognize a secret handshake.

That's what tipped off the head of the school's advisory board that the principal might have lied about his background.

The advisory board leader, Tim Goler, had been a member of the Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity.

The principal -- Lewis Thomas -- claimed to have been a member as well.

But when Goler offered Thomas the fraternity's secret handshake, Thomas didn't recognize it.

Goler said it turns out that much of Thomas' resume was false.

Thomas denied that. He said he resigned for personal reasons.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Ed on January 11, 2006, 10:03:45 AM
Secret Handshake Reveals Principal's Stretched Resume
Principal Resigns; Cites Personal Reasons

CLEVELAND -- Busted!

Faking the funk on a frat! Especially, the second oldest Greek organization (oldest that admits college students). That's demented, disrespectful, and anti-Black! Morally base!

What are we to do with brothers who brag about fake achievements and pose like that? How do brothers get away with stuff like this? Why did he have to lie about being a member of one of our most important organizations? Somebody should tell that brother to try keep up with those who are doing it for real or get back in the shadows, but never...never...be a frat poser!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 11, 2006, 04:29:58 PM
I love exposing a good frat/sorority poser.  I can't STAND posers.  either pledge or don't.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: j.rosh on January 11, 2006, 04:30:24 PM
Wow, that's pretty bad. Some girl ar my school got her ass beat down when she lied about being a Delta.
I also hate when people turn in fake transcripts just to join an organization.  Some girl tried that when my line came through in '04 and got caught.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 11, 2006, 04:42:37 PM
Amen to exposing the posers!!  Why lie?  Just get in contact with (and get to know) someone in a frat/sorority and pledge. 

I've seen the consequences of fronting as a bruh.  That poor fool got beat down worst than.....well you know.  Anyway, we were in the "party walk" grooving like the Alphas do (lol) and this nukka gets in line and starts with us.  Well there is nothing wrong with that b/c bruhs do it all the time and learn new steps, but this fool threw up the wrong sign.  It was one of those moments I could replay for the rest of my life....yes, beating him down was wrong, but it was funny b/c as soon as that contorted sign went up in the air, he knew it was over.  Needless to say, he is not Greek.

For the best posers online, see BlackPlanet.com.  They are rampant on there!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 11, 2006, 04:47:12 PM
jrosh what's your greek affiliation?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: j.rosh on January 11, 2006, 04:53:03 PM
ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA
Skeewee!!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 11, 2006, 04:56:56 PM
cool... :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 11, 2006, 04:59:08 PM
Exactly Blk...

That's extra cool.  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 11, 2006, 05:08:00 PM
speaking of which I saw School Daze (my first time seeing it straight through--yeah I know I am giving myself serious demerits) and dang I'm kinda glad I'm a jigaboo. y'all thats a mess  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 11, 2006, 05:13:46 PM
speaking of which I saw School Daze (my first time seeing it straight through--yeah I know I am giving myself serious demerits) and dang I'm kinda glad I'm a jigaboo. y'all thats a mess  :-\

 :o ;D

YOu are not a jigaboo! That whole scene with the light skin girls vs the "jigaboos" was all satire. Spike Lee was  making fun of some of the discriminatory practices that use to occur in sororities regarding skin color and social status.

Speaking of which, I heard Spike is remaking School Daze. For some reason I don't think it's going to be as good as the original.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 11, 2006, 05:25:00 PM
used to?  :o just playing
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 11, 2006, 05:26:07 PM
right, blk.  how many nappy headed people are akas?  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 11, 2006, 05:30:04 PM

I'm an AKA and as you can see, I would not pass the so called "brown paper bag" test.

I've met so many sorors of different hues and socioeconomic backgrounds.

The whole idea that AKAs are tea sipping light skin, biracial looking women is just a STEREOTYPE!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Hybrid Vigor on January 11, 2006, 05:32:49 PM
I'm really curious as to how the whole AKA = light and Delta = brown skinned (or dark) thing got started. Forgive me as I am not a member of either, but as I understand, all the original members of DST were once members of AKA. And for that matter, all the Black people who managed to get themselves  educated back in the early 1900s were fairskinned. So how did this whole concept come about?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 11, 2006, 05:36:18 PM

I'm an AKA and as you can see, I would not pass the so called "brown paper bag" test.

I've met so many sorors of different hues and socioeconomic backgrounds.

The whole idea that AKAs are tea sipping light skin, biracial looking women is just a STEREOTYPE!


your hair is not nappy  >:(
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 11, 2006, 05:38:42 PM
KB KB KB....dont go there.  Please Lawd, don't go there.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Hybrid Vigor on January 11, 2006, 05:39:18 PM
I've seen/know AKAs with locs and fros. And I've seen plenty of light skinned, long haired Deltas.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 11, 2006, 05:39:59 PM
u haven't seen regal before she presses or blows it out scrooge..so we don't know that with certainty  :D :D :D*runs*

---

KB/DL all of the blacks that managed to go to college weren't fair skinned...where did you get that impression?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Hybrid Vigor on January 11, 2006, 05:45:39 PM
 I thought that was the prevailing norm of that time - very few Black people had access to higher education, and those that did were normally wealthy and normally fair (or fairer) skinned - something that continues to this day - usually a result of having been given some special privs from slavery (master might set aside something for his illegimate children, which was then used to build for the family after slavery). My history isn't great though (shame) so I could totally be wrong.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 11, 2006, 05:46:10 PM
Blq is a comedian sometimes.
 :D

Anyway KB, to answer your question,back in the day Greek Fraternity and Sororities were established because educated blacks were denied access to certain organizations due to the color of their skin. At the time the light skin blacks where the ones who held the majority of the wealth and had more access to education than the darker skin blacks. That's just the truth, colorism existed then and still does in other forms in modern day black society. There were even blue blood organizations that prompted these divisions because they felt that due to their lighter hue, they were more superior than the darker blacks.

Don't get me wrong, there were of course several dark skin blacks who were very established, but often times they were more discriminated against than lighter skin blacks.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 11, 2006, 05:47:30 PM
I've seen/know AKAs with locs and fros. And I've seen plenty of light skinned, long haired Deltas.

yeah the cute fros.

you have never seen someone with a straight old MsJay's daughter out of braids to the max looks like it'll break five widetooth combs nappy hair as an aka
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 11, 2006, 05:49:36 PM
Oh cuz let me tell ya....I know some FINE ass Deltas, brown and light....oooooh damn!!

Ahem...sorry Regal.  Go Sorors!!  Welcome JRosh!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 11, 2006, 05:53:45 PM
LOL @ intent

KB - that goes back to the colorstruck division of black people.  the reason why even the men used to burn our hair straight - attempting to emulate what we perceived as the dominant culture

as far as where the stereotypes of AKA's, Deltas, Alphas, Kappas, etc. your guess is as good as the old heads still alive today.  I can tell you about when the stereotypes started, but as to WHY they started, many black greek scholars like Dr. Walter Kimbrough still speculate as to the genisis of the black greek stereotypes that we know today.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: j.rosh on January 11, 2006, 05:53:45 PM
I've seen/know AKAs with locs and fros. And I've seen plenty of light skinned, long haired Deltas.

yeah the cute fros.

you have never seen someone with a straight old MsJay's daughter out of braids to the max looks like it'll break five widetooth combs nappy hair as an aka




Yes huh, but they be keeping it under wraps with a weave  ;D

Lol.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 11, 2006, 05:54:31 PM
Regal - you backed up what I said to Blk, but you didn't answer how it came to be that Deltas are thought to be dark and AKAs thought to be light. I'm still not getting where that in particular came from.

And E - what is the diff b/w a "cute" fro and a regular fro? I'm talking about a fro fro. Not a faux fro. Like a Jill Scott fro - that's a real fro to me, or did I miss something in my biracial upbringing   ???

yes
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 11, 2006, 06:06:59 PM
Man one of the guys I use to date used Hawaiian silky in his hair. That's so freaking sad to me. When I found the perm cream under the sink, I had to go....
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: j.rosh on January 11, 2006, 06:10:04 PM
Man one of the guys I use to date used Hawaiian silky in his hair. That's so freaking sad to me. When I found the perm cream under the sink, I had to go....

ROFLMAO!!!
And will somebody please Terrence Howard to get that doo-wop, Murray's pomade grease out of his hair.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 11, 2006, 06:11:53 PM
Ummm, that wasn't the case in my high school....lol

If you grew up in the DEEP SOUTH KB, I do not see how you couldn't have missed that.  We grew with similar backgrounds (i.e. military fathers) and you know everyone and they momma was mixed, just like you.  My peeps on my pops side are Creole from New Orleans and trust me that ish is alive and well.  Its sad to say but it is VERY much alive in the Greek system too.  One of my LBs is real light skin and boy did he catch hell, just like my black ass friend who is a Kappa.  And yes people, the brother is REAL black.  I can't even tell you what they did to that boy, but its all about stereotype.  I love my light skin LB just the same as I love my super dark one from Africa.  Doesn't matter.....

And for the record, the Alpha founders were a lil on the light to light brown side.

JRosh....Murray's is the ish!!!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 11, 2006, 06:14:17 PM


Well the general stereotypes are easy. Think about high school - what groups did you have? The pretty girls, the down to earth girls, the jocks, the nerds, the popular guys. With a little reformulating, you get all the Black Greek stereotypes. They're the same distinctions that are made whenever you have a body of people.


yeah but when you consider that these sterotypes developed on a national level on campuses that were hundreds of miles apart with little or not contact with each other kinda makes you scratch your head about how they came to be
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 11, 2006, 06:17:39 PM
I just don't want the misconception to be out there that only lighter skinned blacks were successful and able to afford to go to college back then..that's all..


Don't get me wrong, there were of course several dark skin blacks who were very established, but often times they were more discriminated against than lighter skin blacks.


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 11, 2006, 06:22:35 PM
KB, did ya'll have Greeks at Stanford?  I am not sure if I knew if you did or not.

And why are you DL again?  Hint hint: DL, DOWN LOW....what is up with everyone changing their names.

Can someone give me a new name so I can be like everyone else.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Hybrid Vigor on January 11, 2006, 06:33:43 PM
Yes, there was a pretty active Black Greek life. AKAs, Deltas, Kappas, Alphas, and Omegas. Quite of few of my friends were AKAs. Ex was a Kappa - sorry Intent  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 11, 2006, 06:37:09 PM
Now see you gonna start some board rumors that I am upset b/c I am an Alpha and didn't want me.....lol
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 11, 2006, 06:42:28 PM
tough break kid
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 11, 2006, 06:51:07 PM
hey hey buddy...we'll have none of that tonight!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Young Esq. on January 11, 2006, 09:35:39 PM
tough break kid

I so much want to cosign  ;D but it's all love
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2006, 07:10:17 PM
Happy Founder's Day AKAs :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 16, 2006, 11:31:50 AM
Just wanted to add a historical perspective that folks may not have been aware of:

(http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~cekpo/burningsands.bmp)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: justGem on January 16, 2006, 11:37:34 AM
Just wanted to add a historical perspective that folks may not have been aware of:

(http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~cekpo/burningsands.bmp)

Sands, was that THE balcony?
Could it have been a Greek conspiracy? ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Ed on January 16, 2006, 09:10:22 PM
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was also a member of the first African American fraternity (established May 15, 1904), Sigma Pi Phi. A fact that is not often publicized, but quite significant nonetheless. This fraternity admits only college graduates.


1904-2004: The Boulé at 100: Sigma Pi Phi Holds Centennial Celebration (http://www.looksmartusa.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_11_59/ai_n6158341)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 17, 2006, 06:30:52 AM
Yes, Sigma Pi Phi was the first African-American fraternity for PROFESSIONALS, while Alpha Phi Alpha was the first African-American fraternity for COLLEGE males.

This year we will celebrate our centennial this summer in Washington, D.C!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Ed on January 17, 2006, 07:18:12 AM
To normal audiences, I would not offer up the following information about African American Greek organization history for consideration; however, I think this group would appreciate it.

Sigma Pi Phi invited three exemplary college men to join them in 1904. John Taylor and George Ryder, who were studying with the University of Pennsylvania, were the first two. Another college man, John Dorsey, joined later that same year. These college members were called Thetes. Members who were college graduates, accomplished professionals, and civic leaders were and still are called Archons. John Taylor, George Ryder, and John Dorsey became Archons after they had completed their degrees. Initially, the organization had planned to build both an undergraduate membership and a professional membership consisting of only college graduates; however, the decision to focus membership exclusively on college graduates was made after John Taylor and George Ryder had passed away at young ages. These three men were the only men who joined the organization while in college.

And, the centennial of Alpha Phi Alpha (founded at Cornell in 1906), one of the most important organizations for the African American, is an incredible achievement we should all celebrate. I am very grateful to its members, present and past, for all their noble deeds.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 17, 2006, 09:25:31 AM
Just wanted to add a historical perspective that folks may not have been aware of:

(http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~cekpo/burningsands.bmp)

Sands, was that THE balcony?
Could it have been a Greek conspiracy? ;)

That was one of the two balcony scenes, obviously before the shooting here.  I'm not sure besides Jackson who was actually on the balcony when he got shot.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 17, 2006, 10:53:08 AM
Thanks for the info Max....I have heard great things about your organization by the way.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 17, 2006, 10:58:08 AM
I've always been interested in learning more about the Boule (sigma pi phi)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 17, 2006, 01:34:57 PM
Likewise....Max, this would be a good PM that I would gladly read in its entirety.  Spread the knowledge brother!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Ed on January 17, 2006, 02:06:14 PM
Anything I could write in a PM about Sigma Pi Phi I can write here.

The best summary of the organization that I have read in a readily available publication can be found in the recently published African American Fraternities and Sororities: The Legacy and the Vision, edited by Tamara L. Brown, Gregory Parks, and Clarenda Phillips. William Harris contributed the most accurate account I have read in his essay "The Grand Boulé at the Dawn of a New Century: Sigma Pi Phi Fraternity," which is included in the book.

The book Lawrence Otis Graham wrote, Our Kind of People, also has some good information; however, there are a few statements that are not necessarily true for all cases.

Academic excellence, exemplary civic leadership, and outstanding professional achievements are things all members share in common. While the organization is not secretive, its members do not advertise their affiliation aggressively. Members do, however, make themselves known publicly so that others may go to them when needed.

I am one of the youngest members. And, one of my aims is to bridge generational gaps between up-and-coming leaders and established leaders. The leaders of our organization have encouraged us to do this. And, I, because of my age (32), have closer ties to twenty-somethings and thirty-somethings than some of my brothers. While I share many things in common with my older brothers, they are looking to younger members like me to preserve the rich tradition of the organization while we work to cultivate and support the leaders of our future.

There is no way to request an invitation to join the organization. However, we do try to identify the intellectual, professional, and civic leaders in our communities. And, we get to know potential members—their achievements, their intellects, their tastes, and their philosophies—very well before we decide to discuss the organization with them.

If you ever have any questions about the organization, please feel free to send me a PM.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 17, 2006, 02:08:36 PM
so Max are you a member of any other fraternity?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 17, 2006, 02:42:44 PM
There is this great book called Our Kind of People by Lawerance Otis Graham that goes into detail about the black upper class and gives a detailed history of Sigma Pi Phi and the origins of the other BGLOs. From what I gather, Sigma Pi Phi aka the Boule was a large influence in the establishment of the BGLOs.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 17, 2006, 02:44:26 PM
yeah I just started reading that book Sunday..talks a lot about you bougie Jack and Jill kids too :D.. had to put it down for a few days however because when he stated that he got a nose job I got a little disgusted...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 17, 2006, 03:01:33 PM
HEY I HATED Jack and Jill. >:(  I was forced to do it as a kid and got out of it as a teenager. So don't group me with "them" LOL.)

ON a serious note, that book is very informative just because it really talks about class division in the black community and touches on issues of self-hatred (i.e., the author getting a nose job so he can have more European-like features, the light skin Vs dark skin issue, blacks trying to pass for white, and having the right kind of hair, etc.) Before I read the book, I heard stories from elders in my family, but never thought these issues were so deeply ingrained in our communities.


Edit: I'm not going to knock Jack and Jill because when it was first established, it was a great tool for professional upper class blacks and their children to network with each other. These children had the opprotunity to establish life long bonds as well.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 17, 2006, 03:10:37 PM
 :D I didn't even know that you were in Jack and Jill Regal..but it's funny now that you mentioned it... just wasn't something that I was interested in growing up because most of the kids had these nasty attitudes that I really didn't fill like giving my time up to socialize with...

in theory with the idea of helping prepare black kids for college with mentors etc I can appreciate it..however I believe that the main focus (whether admitted or not) was to continue to divide the class structure of blacks... kids were so jaded that they didn't even want to associate with other kids solely on the bases that they weren't middle to upper class...

but on the flip side of that I do appreciate the book because it reaffirms that middle to upper class blacks should NOT be ashamed of the fact that they didn't grow up poor...

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: A. on January 17, 2006, 03:16:30 PM
The best summary of the organization that I have read in a readily available publication can be found in the recently published African American Fraternities and Sororities: The Legacy and the Vision, edited by Tamara L. Brown, Gregory Parks, and Clarenda Phillips. William Harris contributed the most accurate account I have read in his essay "The Grand Boulé at the Dawn of a New Century: Sigma Pi Phi Fraternity," which is included in the book.

The book Lawrence Otis Graham wrote, Our Kind of People, also has some good information; however, there are a few statements that are not necessarily true for all cases.

Both good and fairly interesting (esp. the latter) books.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 17, 2006, 05:16:10 PM
:D I didn't even know that you were in Jack and Jill Regal..but it's funny now that you mentioned it... just wasn't something that I was interested in growing up because most of the kids had these nasty attitudes that I really didn't fill like giving my time up to socialize with...

in theory with the idea of helping prepare black kids for college with mentors etc I can appreciate it..however I believe that the main focus (whether admitted or not) was to continue to divide the class structure of blacks... kids were so jaded that they didn't even want to associate with other kids solely on the bases that they weren't middle to upper class...

but on the flip side of that I do appreciate the book because it reaffirms that middle to upper class blacks should NOT be ashamed of the fact that they didn't grow up poor...



Black I have to agree with you. Most of the kids in Jack and Jill were pretty lame. The kids were so jaded because they thought that since Jack and Jill was by invitation only, they were better than the rest of society due to the exclusivity of the organization.

HOWEVER..one thing I did like was that you could make great network contacts through Jack and Jill. Even though I stop participating when I was a teenager, I still kept some ties to the organization. If I need to talk to someone I just open the Jack and Jill yearbook and give that person a call.

There is this book my pops recommended (Sorry I can't think of the title at the moment but will post it as soon as he calls me back) that talks about Black middle class guilt. Man I wish I could think of the title but I can't at the moment. I really want to check it out. I know Dr. Cornell West talks about the black middle class in his writings.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on January 17, 2006, 08:11:32 PM
LOL!!!! he got a nose job! LOL!!! I'm disgusted by that. I saw him speak, and I was like, wow...definitely not my kind of people...but he was interesting. I feel like he's still color struck. And he talked about how lots of people still consider the naacp radical. I was a freshman in college, and I remember thinking, what?! the naacp? but i guess it was just a totally different era.

yeah I just started reading that book Sunday..talks a lot about you bougie Jack and Jill kids too :D.. had to put it down for a few days however because when he stated that he got a nose job I got a little disgusted...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Young Esq. on January 17, 2006, 10:56:53 PM
There is this great book called Our Kind of People by Lawerance Otis Graham that goes into detail about the black upper class and gives a detailed history of Sigma Pi Phi and the origins of the other BGLOs. From what I gather, Sigma Pi Phi aka the Boule was a large influence in the establishment of the BGLOs.

I read it last year, very interesting read.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 25, 2006, 03:26:39 PM
I'm so confused..........What has happened?! :'(

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f299/Wacky4/deltamen.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f299/Wacky4/menaka.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f299/Wacky4/delta.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f299/Wacky4/funny.jpg)

Maybe this should go in the WTF thread...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 25, 2006, 03:45:43 PM
well the AKAs at the bottom must be in Houston because they're dissing the Zeta Sigma Chapter @ UH...kind of interesting that they'd go through all of that to get a Delta banner made..
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 25, 2006, 03:53:58 PM
Yeah that's pretty lame, I was more focused on the males pretending to be sorority chicks. I just don't understand.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on January 25, 2006, 03:55:42 PM
some things aren't even worthy of a comment :D

Yeah that's pretty lame, I was more focused on the males pretending to be sorority chicks. I just don't understand.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 25, 2006, 04:03:17 PM
The males must be from Howard...they do they type of thing there.  I am outdone!!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on January 25, 2006, 04:07:21 PM
Or spear-throwers intent  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 25, 2006, 04:09:40 PM
Damn right....they dont know so thats why they acting that way.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: THE BLUE SWEATER on February 04, 2006, 10:28:06 AM
I will def be a minority going to howard law and not being in a frat wont I?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 04, 2006, 10:33:30 AM
there are definitely a lot of people in fraternities and sororities..but there are some that aren't as well..but if you're interested you can always pursue a graduate chapter...


I will def be a minority going to howard law and not being in a frat wont I?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on February 06, 2006, 03:40:45 PM
While I am admitedly biased,  ;) the one of the only good things about the entire superbowl was at the beginning when Stevie Wonder was singing and they had Kappas up on the stage with canes doing their thang.  Ahhhh those damn nupes! 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on February 06, 2006, 05:59:42 PM
Sands.....

Shimmy shimmy shimmy!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 07, 2006, 07:06:46 PM
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0206/300856.html

I-Team: Zeta Phi Beta Sorority Under Fire

Anchor:
TONIGHT, A MONTH-LONG ABC7 INVESTIGATION UNCOVERS AN ALLEGED FINANCIAL SCANDAL AT A SORORITY BASED IN D.C.

UNDER SCRUTINY: THE EXTRAVAGANT SPENDING HABITS OF ITS INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT AND AN EXECUTIVE BOARD THAT MAY HAVE BEEN COMPLICIT.

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER ANDREA MCCARREN IS HERE WITH MORE.

Andrea McCarren on set:
ZETA PHI BETA HAS MORE THAN 125,000 MEMBERS WORLDWIDE AND ENJOYS TAX-EXEMPT STATUS AS A SOCIAL CLUB.

REVELATIONS OF LAVISH SPENDING HAVE NOT ONLY OUTRAGED SOME MEMBERS… THEY RAISE SERIOUS LEGAL AND ETHICAL QUESTIONS… INCLUDING WHAT IF ANYTHING THE SORORITY'S LEADERSHIP REPORTED TO THE IRS.

Story:
FOUNDED IN 1920, ZETA PHI BETA HAS A LONG TRADITION OF HELPING THE COMMUNITY. BUT IT APPEARS, ITS INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT BARBARA MOORE MAY HAVE BEEN HELPING HERSELF.

TO DESIGNER CLOTHING, FINE JEWELRY, FUR COATS, HIGH-END HOME FURNITURE AND EVEN LINGERIE… ALL CHARGED TO THE SORORITY'S CORPORATE CREDIT CARD.

Sorority Member #1: "It's really like a kick in the stomach. It's like being married to somebody for 17 years and then finding out they're having an affair."

Sorority Member #2: "This is sick behavior. This is not normal behavior. I am not going to allow her to do this to me. I feel a personal betrayal because I'm a member in good standing.

OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD, MOORE RACKED UP NEARLY

400,000 DOLLARS IN CREDIT CARD CHARGES BILLED TO THE SORORITY… MANY FOR ITEMS THAT APPEAR TO BE PERSONAL.

Woman #1: "$129 worth of pantyhose. Wilson's leather. Designer sportswear.Ladies shoes. Daywear. St. John. St. John. St. John."

Woman #2: "Why would you buy wigs? I've never seen her in a wig. That makes me wonder who was benefitting from all of this. Who are the wig-wearers?

(natsnd: stack of documents dropped onto table)

WE REVIEWED HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS: INTERNAL SORORITY EMAILS, MINUTES OF EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETINGS, COPIES OF CANCELLED CHECKS AND DOZENS OF AMERICAN EXPRESS BILLS.

"new charges" $80, 507.95

(natsnd: adding machine with Moore in background)

ZETA PHI BETA'S OWN FINANCIAL PROCEDURES MAKE IT CLEAR: THE SORORITY CREDIT CARDS ARE -NOT- FOR PERSONAL USE.

AND AS A TAX-EXEMPT ORGANIZATION, THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE MAKES IT CLEAR TOO: NO INDIVIDUAL MAY BENEFIT UNDULY FROM THEIR CONNECTION TO THE SOCIAL CLUB.

Andrea McCarren: "Here's a woman who's the president of an international sorority and she's buying men's and boy's clothing."

Michael Sanders/D.C. Tax Attorney: "It's very significant. It just isn't right."

WE SHARED OUR DOCUMENTS WITH MICHAEL SANDERS, A PROMINENT D.C. TAX ATTORNEY WITH A SPECIALTY IN TAX-EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS.

Michael Sanders/D.C. Tax Attorney: "You need to consider termination very seriously because again you're going to have to prove to the IRS that you are responsible and you're not going to let this happen again.

BARBARA MOORE MAINTAINS AN OFFICE AT THE SORORITY'S D.C. HEADQUARTERS FOR HER UNPAID POSITION, BUT SHE LIVES IN COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA…THERE, SHE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR INSTITUTIONAL ADVANCEMENT AT BENEDICT COLLEGE.

MOORE OFTEN USED THE CORPORATE CREDIT CARD IN COLUMBIA, SPENDING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

Woman #1: "Certainly someone who resides in Columbia, SC should not need hotel rooms and rental cars in the city, certainly not to that extent."

Woman #2: "I think if the sisterhood could see the documents, they too would feel the same type of betrayal."

THOSE DOCUMENTS ALSO REVEAL THAT ZETA PHI BETA'S EXECUTIVE BOARD WAS WELL AWARE THAT MOORE'S SPENDING WAS SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL.

Michael Sanders/D.C. Tax Attorney: "That would be egregious. That would get the attention of the IRS if they knew about this."

AND SOURCES SAY, LAST MONTH, THE BOARD RECOGNIZED THEIR FINANCIAL PROBLEM BY APPROVING A PLAN FOR MOORE TO PAY BACK SOME OF THE MONEY ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

-THAT- RAISES ANOTHER SERIOUS QUESTION: HOW, IF AT ALL, DID THE SORORITY REPORT THIS TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE?

(show letter from accountant that says "IRS denial for additional time to file form 990")

RECORDS WE OBTAINED INDICATE THE BOARD WAS STRUGGLING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND MOORE FROM POTENTIAL CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.

Andrea McCarren on set:
AFTER WEEKS OF WAITING, ZETA PHI BETA ISSUED A STATEMENT THIS AFTERNOON ADMITTING THAT IT NEEDS TO IMPROVE ITS INTERNAL FINANCIAL CONTROLS.

BUT THE SORORITY STILL FAILED TO PROVIDE US WITH THEIR TAX RETURNS, AS REQUIRED BY LAW, BUT WE OBTAINED THEM THROUGH OTHER SOURCES.

AND THESE RECORDS INDICATE THE LAST YEAR FOR WHICH THEY FILED WAS 2002.

LIVE FOR THE I-TEAM, ANDREA MCCARREN, ABC7 NEWS
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on February 07, 2006, 07:19:46 PM
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0206/300856.html

I-Team: Zeta Phi Beta Sorority Under Fire

Anchor:
TONIGHT, A MONTH-LONG ABC7 INVESTIGATION UNCOVERS AN ALLEGED FINANCIAL SCANDAL AT A SORORITY BASED IN D.C.

UNDER SCRUTINY: THE EXTRAVAGANT SPENDING HABITS OF ITS INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT AND AN EXECUTIVE BOARD THAT MAY HAVE BEEN COMPLICIT.

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER ANDREA MCCARREN IS HERE WITH MORE.

Andrea McCarren on set:
ZETA PHI BETA HAS MORE THAN 125,000 MEMBERS WORLDWIDE AND ENJOYS TAX-EXEMPT STATUS AS A SOCIAL CLUB.

REVELATIONS OF LAVISH SPENDING HAVE NOT ONLY OUTRAGED SOME MEMBERS… THEY RAISE SERIOUS LEGAL AND ETHICAL QUESTIONS… INCLUDING WHAT IF ANYTHING THE SORORITY'S LEADERSHIP REPORTED TO THE IRS.

Story:
FOUNDED IN 1920, ZETA PHI BETA HAS A LONG TRADITION OF HELPING THE COMMUNITY. BUT IT APPEARS, ITS INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT BARBARA MOORE MAY HAVE BEEN HELPING HERSELF.

TO DESIGNER CLOTHING, FINE JEWELRY, FUR COATS, HIGH-END HOME FURNITURE AND EVEN LINGERIE… ALL CHARGED TO THE SORORITY'S CORPORATE CREDIT CARD.

Sorority Member #1: "It's really like a kick in the stomach. It's like being married to somebody for 17 years and then finding out they're having an affair."

Sorority Member #2: "This is sick behavior. This is not normal behavior. I am not going to allow her to do this to me. I feel a personal betrayal because I'm a member in good standing.

OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD, MOORE RACKED UP NEARLY

400,000 DOLLARS IN CREDIT CARD CHARGES BILLED TO THE SORORITY… MANY FOR ITEMS THAT APPEAR TO BE PERSONAL.

Woman #1: "$129 worth of pantyhose. Wilson's leather. Designer sportswear.Ladies shoes. Daywear. St. John. St. John. St. John."

Woman #2: "Why would you buy wigs? I've never seen her in a wig. That makes me wonder who was benefitting from all of this. Who are the wig-wearers?

(natsnd: stack of documents dropped onto table)

WE REVIEWED HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS: INTERNAL SORORITY EMAILS, MINUTES OF EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETINGS, COPIES OF CANCELLED CHECKS AND DOZENS OF AMERICAN EXPRESS BILLS.

"new charges" $80, 507.95

(natsnd: adding machine with Moore in background)

ZETA PHI BETA'S OWN FINANCIAL PROCEDURES MAKE IT CLEAR: THE SORORITY CREDIT CARDS ARE -NOT- FOR PERSONAL USE.

AND AS A TAX-EXEMPT ORGANIZATION, THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE MAKES IT CLEAR TOO: NO INDIVIDUAL MAY BENEFIT UNDULY FROM THEIR CONNECTION TO THE SOCIAL CLUB.

Andrea McCarren: "Here's a woman who's the president of an international sorority and she's buying men's and boy's clothing."

Michael Sanders/D.C. Tax Attorney: "It's very significant. It just isn't right."

WE SHARED OUR DOCUMENTS WITH MICHAEL SANDERS, A PROMINENT D.C. TAX ATTORNEY WITH A SPECIALTY IN TAX-EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS.

Michael Sanders/D.C. Tax Attorney: "You need to consider termination very seriously because again you're going to have to prove to the IRS that you are responsible and you're not going to let this happen again.

BARBARA MOORE MAINTAINS AN OFFICE AT THE SORORITY'S D.C. HEADQUARTERS FOR HER UNPAID POSITION, BUT SHE LIVES IN COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA…THERE, SHE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR INSTITUTIONAL ADVANCEMENT AT BENEDICT COLLEGE.

MOORE OFTEN USED THE CORPORATE CREDIT CARD IN COLUMBIA, SPENDING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

Woman #1: "Certainly someone who resides in Columbia, SC should not need hotel rooms and rental cars in the city, certainly not to that extent."

Woman #2: "I think if the sisterhood could see the documents, they too would feel the same type of betrayal."

THOSE DOCUMENTS ALSO REVEAL THAT ZETA PHI BETA'S EXECUTIVE BOARD WAS WELL AWARE THAT MOORE'S SPENDING WAS SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL.

Michael Sanders/D.C. Tax Attorney: "That would be egregious. That would get the attention of the IRS if they knew about this."

AND SOURCES SAY, LAST MONTH, THE BOARD RECOGNIZED THEIR FINANCIAL PROBLEM BY APPROVING A PLAN FOR MOORE TO PAY BACK SOME OF THE MONEY ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

-THAT- RAISES ANOTHER SERIOUS QUESTION: HOW, IF AT ALL, DID THE SORORITY REPORT THIS TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE?

(show letter from accountant that says "IRS denial for additional time to file form 990")

RECORDS WE OBTAINED INDICATE THE BOARD WAS STRUGGLING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND MOORE FROM POTENTIAL CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.

Andrea McCarren on set:
AFTER WEEKS OF WAITING, ZETA PHI BETA ISSUED A STATEMENT THIS AFTERNOON ADMITTING THAT IT NEEDS TO IMPROVE ITS INTERNAL FINANCIAL CONTROLS.

BUT THE SORORITY STILL FAILED TO PROVIDE US WITH THEIR TAX RETURNS, AS REQUIRED BY LAW, BUT WE OBTAINED THEM THROUGH OTHER SOURCES.

AND THESE RECORDS INDICATE THE LAST YEAR FOR WHICH THEY FILED WAS 2002.

LIVE FOR THE I-TEAM, ANDREA MCCARREN, ABC7 NEWS

WOW...No comment in fear that I will say something highly offensive.... >:(
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: j.rosh on February 07, 2006, 08:06:54 PM
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0206/300856.html

I-Team: Zeta Phi Beta Sorority Under Fire

Anchor:
TONIGHT, A MONTH-LONG ABC7 INVESTIGATION UNCOVERS AN ALLEGED FINANCIAL SCANDAL AT A SORORITY BASED IN D.C.

UNDER SCRUTINY: THE EXTRAVAGANT SPENDING HABITS OF ITS INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT AND AN EXECUTIVE BOARD THAT MAY HAVE BEEN COMPLICIT.

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER ANDREA MCCARREN IS HERE WITH MORE.

Andrea McCarren on set:
ZETA PHI BETA HAS MORE THAN 125,000 MEMBERS WORLDWIDE AND ENJOYS TAX-EXEMPT STATUS AS A SOCIAL CLUB.

REVELATIONS OF LAVISH SPENDING HAVE NOT ONLY OUTRAGED SOME MEMBERS… THEY RAISE SERIOUS LEGAL AND ETHICAL QUESTIONS… INCLUDING WHAT IF ANYTHING THE SORORITY'S LEADERSHIP REPORTED TO THE IRS.

Story:
FOUNDED IN 1920, ZETA PHI BETA HAS A LONG TRADITION OF HELPING THE COMMUNITY. BUT IT APPEARS, ITS INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT BARBARA MOORE MAY HAVE BEEN HELPING HERSELF.

TO DESIGNER CLOTHING, FINE JEWELRY, FUR COATS, HIGH-END HOME FURNITURE AND EVEN LINGERIE… ALL CHARGED TO THE SORORITY'S CORPORATE CREDIT CARD.

Sorority Member #1: "It's really like a kick in the stomach. It's like being married to somebody for 17 years and then finding out they're having an affair."

Sorority Member #2: "This is sick behavior. This is not normal behavior. I am not going to allow her to do this to me. I feel a personal betrayal because I'm a member in good standing.

OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD, MOORE RACKED UP NEARLY

400,000 DOLLARS IN CREDIT CARD CHARGES BILLED TO THE SORORITY… MANY FOR ITEMS THAT APPEAR TO BE PERSONAL.

Woman #1: "$129 worth of pantyhose. Wilson's leather. Designer sportswear.Ladies shoes. Daywear. St. John. St. John. St. John."

Woman #2: "Why would you buy wigs? I've never seen her in a wig. That makes me wonder who was benefitting from all of this. Who are the wig-wearers?

(natsnd: stack of documents dropped onto table)

WE REVIEWED HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS: INTERNAL SORORITY EMAILS, MINUTES OF EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETINGS, COPIES OF CANCELLED CHECKS AND DOZENS OF AMERICAN EXPRESS BILLS.

"new charges" $80, 507.95

(natsnd: adding machine with Moore in background)

ZETA PHI BETA'S OWN FINANCIAL PROCEDURES MAKE IT CLEAR: THE SORORITY CREDIT CARDS ARE -NOT- FOR PERSONAL USE.

AND AS A TAX-EXEMPT ORGANIZATION, THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE MAKES IT CLEAR TOO: NO INDIVIDUAL MAY BENEFIT UNDULY FROM THEIR CONNECTION TO THE SOCIAL CLUB.

Andrea McCarren: "Here's a woman who's the president of an international sorority and she's buying men's and boy's clothing."

Michael Sanders/D.C. Tax Attorney: "It's very significant. It just isn't right."

WE SHARED OUR DOCUMENTS WITH MICHAEL SANDERS, A PROMINENT D.C. TAX ATTORNEY WITH A SPECIALTY IN TAX-EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS.

Michael Sanders/D.C. Tax Attorney: "You need to consider termination very seriously because again you're going to have to prove to the IRS that you are responsible and you're not going to let this happen again.

BARBARA MOORE MAINTAINS AN OFFICE AT THE SORORITY'S D.C. HEADQUARTERS FOR HER UNPAID POSITION, BUT SHE LIVES IN COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA…THERE, SHE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR INSTITUTIONAL ADVANCEMENT AT BENEDICT COLLEGE.

MOORE OFTEN USED THE CORPORATE CREDIT CARD IN COLUMBIA, SPENDING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

Woman #1: "Certainly someone who resides in Columbia, SC should not need hotel rooms and rental cars in the city, certainly not to that extent."

Woman #2: "I think if the sisterhood could see the documents, they too would feel the same type of betrayal."

THOSE DOCUMENTS ALSO REVEAL THAT ZETA PHI BETA'S EXECUTIVE BOARD WAS WELL AWARE THAT MOORE'S SPENDING WAS SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL.

Michael Sanders/D.C. Tax Attorney: "That would be egregious. That would get the attention of the IRS if they knew about this."

AND SOURCES SAY, LAST MONTH, THE BOARD RECOGNIZED THEIR FINANCIAL PROBLEM BY APPROVING A PLAN FOR MOORE TO PAY BACK SOME OF THE MONEY ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

-THAT- RAISES ANOTHER SERIOUS QUESTION: HOW, IF AT ALL, DID THE SORORITY REPORT THIS TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE?

(show letter from accountant that says "IRS denial for additional time to file form 990")

RECORDS WE OBTAINED INDICATE THE BOARD WAS STRUGGLING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND MOORE FROM POTENTIAL CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.

Andrea McCarren on set:
AFTER WEEKS OF WAITING, ZETA PHI BETA ISSUED A STATEMENT THIS AFTERNOON ADMITTING THAT IT NEEDS TO IMPROVE ITS INTERNAL FINANCIAL CONTROLS.

BUT THE SORORITY STILL FAILED TO PROVIDE US WITH THEIR TAX RETURNS, AS REQUIRED BY LAW, BUT WE OBTAINED THEM THROUGH OTHER SOURCES.

AND THESE RECORDS INDICATE THE LAST YEAR FOR WHICH THEY FILED WAS 2002.

LIVE FOR THE I-TEAM, ANDREA MCCARREN, ABC7 NEWS

That's really sad.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Young Esq. on February 07, 2006, 08:35:30 PM
This is unfortunate. They had an elaborate advertising campaign for this story on the DC radio stations. They hired actors and everything to hype this story up. I wonder what they were trying to prove. Problems of these sorts are internal and I'm sure all the members were aware. What was the media gaining by giving this story so much publicity? Truly perplexed by the media attention on this one and wonder if anyone else thinks it deserved a full advertising campaign.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on February 08, 2006, 05:32:28 AM
I am a member of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. and while I definitely appreciate the concern of all members of other BGLO's, please understand that the full details of this issue remain internal and that the story shown on the news was blown out of proportion (as many news stories are). 

I think that stories like this, and other stories that the media is willing to show regarding ALL BGLO's, are decidedly negative and do not showcase the positive things each organization continues to do for the community.  Again, thanks for the concern, but I would appreciate it if we could turn our attention to more positive news :)

Thank You.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on February 08, 2006, 06:53:45 AM
I mean NO disrespect at all in what I am about to say.  BGLO's are run like corporations and those in chief positions with those organizations need to be held accountable for unethical and illegal behavior just like companies like Enron.  Yes, the organization may do good in the community but the leader of your organization is in hot water and no matter how the media spins it, there was most likely some wrongdoing

I hate to say it, but I am so glad this is not about Alpha.  We have had enough issues over the past couple of years.  But I feel you for standing beside your sorority.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 08, 2006, 07:08:17 AM
I have to agree with you Intent...When I initially heard about it (before they released information about which organization it was) they mentioned that it was a sorority whose National Headquarters was in DC.. I just prayed that it wasn't DST... it is an unfortunate situation Inquirer..however this is also a legal issue.. .if a university president was under investigation for embezzlement then I am sure that you'd have no problems with the article being posted..

I know there are some internal issues and I'm pretty sure that some of the issues did not go down as they were reported through the article...however this is a real problem and could ultimately affect NPHC as a whole...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on February 08, 2006, 07:26:03 AM
Please understand that, as I said, the issue addressed on the news is being addressed internally and the membership of my Sorority is well aware of the measures currently in place to ensure that we are not on the news in this kind of way in the future.

In my humble opinion, it is my firm belief that this problem has less effect on the rest of the NPHC than does our collective issues with hazing and other issues.  Many of our organizations have had to deal with much worse when it comes to leaderhship and members who wish to sensationalize a sensitive interal concern.

Again, I understand and appreciate the concern from other Greeks (and I'm not offended by anyone's statements). I recognize that I cannot affect anyone else's desire to comment about the situation, however, I will strive to avoid further comment on this issue and thank you all for being respectful and kind when and if you do speak about this situation. 

Peace :)
 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on February 08, 2006, 07:55:05 AM
So noted Inquirer, but just know that your response is like this: Posters on this board are discussing the illegal financial practices at Worldcom or Enron.  Then a poster comes on the board and says I would respect it if we would keep the conversation positive about those companies.  That's a crock in my honest opinion.  If we were talking about another organization such as Alpha Kappa Alpha or Delta Sigma Theta, I am not so sure that you would have the same stance.  Those are my thoughts and now I'll leave the Zetas to their internal struggle with appropriate business practices.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Hybrid Vigor on February 08, 2006, 08:20:52 AM
So noted Inquirer, but just know that your response is like this: Posters on this board are discussing the illegal financial practices at Worldcom or Enron.  Then a poster comes on the board and says I would respect it if we would keep the conversation positive about those companies.  That's a crock in my honest opinion.  If we were talking about another organization such as Alpha Kappa Alpha or Delta Sigma Theta, I am not so sure that you would have the same stance.  Those are my thoughts and now I'll leave the Zetas to their internal struggle with appropriate business practices.

Justice Koreanblaq concurring with Justice Intent.  ;D  Goodness knows that Zeta can't be the only org with this problem, surely. No one is trying to single them out. But as a tax exempt org, anyone who DOES pay taxes has a right to know what's going on over there if money is being mishandled. If the org is not following guidelines to remain tax exempt then they need to start coughing up their share. Just a GDI tax paying opinion.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 09, 2006, 12:52:14 PM
I hope that our organizations don't get audited because of this....I'm sure that our hands aren't dirty but the whole process would be very time consuming....
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on February 09, 2006, 01:19:08 PM
I hope that our organizations don't get audited because of this....I'm sure that our hands aren't dirty but the whole process would be very time consuming....

Blk, I hate to say this but the embezzlement incident with Zeta Phi Beta is going to open a lot of worms. There is a possibility that the other organizations will have to open their books to the IRS. Personally I would be appalled if my national officers were inappropriately using sorority funds. These women are entrusted by the sorority to run the organization and make sure finances are in order. Everyone responsible should be forced to pay back the money and spend some jail time. I'm curious to know how someone spending that much money go unnoticed for so long?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 09, 2006, 06:40:57 PM
I-Team: Sorority Spending Follow-Up

Anchor:
WE HAVE A MAJOR NEW DEVELOPMENT TO REPORT FOLLOWING THE MONTH-LONG ABC7 INVESTIGATION WE BROUGHT YOU LAST NIGHT.

THE I-TEAM REVEALED HOW THE LEADERSHIP OF A NATIONAL SORORITY BASED IN D.C. ALLEGEDLY MISMANAGED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER ANDREA MCCARREN IS HERE WITH THE LATEST.

Andrea McCarren on set:
IT TURNS OUT WE WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES INVESTIGATING ZETA PHI BETA SORORITY INCORPORATED.

THE INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION, KNOWN FOR ITS GOOD WORK IN THE COMMUNITY, IS NOW UNDER THE SCRUTINY OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Story:
THE FBI (website) WON'T COMMENT ABOUT PENDING INVESTIGATIONS, BUT THE I-TEAM HAS LEARNED THE BUREAU HAS BEEN LOOKING INTO ZETA PHI BETA… AND IS WORKING WITH THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH ALSO DOES NOT CONFIRM OR DENY INVOLVEMENT IN PENDING CASES. adding machine/lots of documents/barbara moore photo

THE FEDERAL SCRUTINY RUNS PARALLEL WITH THE I-TEAM'S MONTH-LONG INVESTIGATION, UNCOVERING QUESTIONABLE SPENDING BY THE SORORITY'S INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT BARBARA MOORE.

RECORDS INDICATE THAT MOORE USED ZETA PHI BETA'S CORPORATE CREDIT CARD TO PURCHASE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF ITEMS THAT APPEAR TO BE PERSONAL.

DESIGNER CLOTHING. FINE JEWELRY. MENS AND BOYS CLOTHING. EVEN LINGERIE… EXTRAVAGANT PURCHASES THAT ANGERED ONE SORORITY SISTER TO THE POINT OF EXAGERATION.

Sorority member #1: "If it could be bought, it's on there. If it could be rented, it's on there. If it could be paid for with a credit card. It's on there."

(financial procedures manual)

THAT'S NOT ONLY A VIOLATION OF THE SORORITY'S FINANCIAL PROCEDURES, IT APPEARS TO BE A CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE IRS TAX CODE, WHICH PROHIBITS ANY INDIVIDUAL FROM BENEFITTING FROM THEIR CONNECTION TO A NON-PROFIT.

Sorority member #2: "This is wrong. You can't paint it with any other brush. It's wrong. It's illegal."

Michael Sanders/Tax Attorney: "Every one of these items needs to be reviewed by an independent professional."

D.C. TAX ATTORNEY MICHAEL SANDERS.

Michael Sanders/Tax Attorney: "This is highly unusual. Obviously."

ALSO UNUSUAL AND POTENTIALLY ILLEGAL IS THE BOARD'S DECISION TO ALLOW MOORE TO PAY BACK SOME OF THE MONEY SHE SPENT... OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

Sheryl Underwood, Chair, National Executive Board: "THE BOARD'S ONLY COMMENT SO FAR: AN ADMISSION THAT "ZETA -HAS- NEEDED TO IMPROVE INTERNAL FINANCIAL CONTROLS."

Andrea McCarren on set:
ALTHOUGH THE IRS WON'T DISCUSS ANY OF ITS INVESTIGATIONS, SOURCES TELL US THE TAX AGENCY IS NOW TAKING A CLOSE LOOK AT ZETA PHI BETA  AND WHETHER IT'S PAID WHAT IT OWES TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

ALSO MONITORING THIS SITUATION IS BARBARA MOORE'S EMPLOYER, BENEDICT COLLEGE IN SOUTH CAROLINA… WHERE SHE SUPERVISES ALL OF THE SCHOOL'S FUNDRAISING.

LIVE FOR THE I-TEAM, ANDREA McCARREN, ABC7 NEWS
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0206/301191.html
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 09, 2006, 08:02:08 PM
 
Non Black Members of BGLOs
(From an email)

My name is Matthew W. Hughey, a Ph.D. candidate in sociology at the University of Virginia and a brother of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. (Rho Beta Chapter, Fall 1996).

I am looking to interview non-Black members of Historically Black Greek Letter Organizations (HBGLOs) for a chapter to be included in a follow-up volume to African American Fraternities and Sororities: The Legacy and the Vision (2004). I am looking to include the history, culture, and interactive experiences of non-Black members in HBGLOs.

I am also interested in hearing from people who are Black members of HBGLOs who have experiences with non-Blacks as their fellow members.

I hope to start phone or email interviewing soon. If you would like to be kept anonymous, that is fine, and if you would like to be identified (if I include your comments in the final draft) that is fine as well.

Please contact me:
Matthew W. Hughey
Department of Sociology, University of Virginia
539 Cabell Hall, PO Box 400766
Charlottesville, VA 22904-4766
Office: (434) 924-7293 | Fax: (434) 924-7028
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on February 09, 2006, 08:42:07 PM
Who is this I team?  That transcript reads like a scene from a movie or something.  unreal
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 10, 2006, 05:12:53 AM
it's a news station in DC.. abc news... I pasted the link so that people could see the video clip as well..

Who is this I team?  That transcript reads like a scene from a movie or something.  unreal
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on February 10, 2006, 06:32:37 AM
In honor of the fact that this is not Alpha Phi Alpha, I think I will sing the hymn....

*Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm*

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on February 10, 2006, 08:20:27 AM
LOL

Idiot!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on March 07, 2006, 04:59:17 PM
I've been a Jedi with the kane for going on quite a few years now.  I've seen 'em come and seen 'em go.  I've twirled and studied with the best and the brightest.  But I have rarely EVER seen anybody who can top this cat.  I think if I was to ever meet this cat in real life I'd just have to lay the kane down and walk away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0U5oneKyxw&search=Nupe%20%20
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on March 07, 2006, 05:26:06 PM
Hmmmmmmmmm  :P


http://www.nayturmedia.com/who/KappaSkitSmall.wmv


Where do I find this stuff?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on March 07, 2006, 06:12:50 PM
You are a lil late with that one homie, about half a year late.  And those are not Kappas in that skit.  ???
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on March 07, 2006, 06:16:29 PM
LOL

Still thought it was funny. A friend sent it to me today.

I know those aren't kappas!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on March 07, 2006, 06:26:46 PM
You are a lil late with that one homie, about half a year late.  And those are not Kappas in that skit.  ???


Intent, you know there are always crabs in the barrel ready to play their part.

I don't know about the other stuff, but this IS a Kappa in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0U5oneKyxw&search=Nupe%20%20

I am in awe at the skillz.  You must study many moons in the shoalin temple to possess skillz like those. I swear some cats major in steppin at undergrad.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on March 07, 2006, 06:31:58 PM
That brotha must have come out of the womb with those skills.  That deserve a pop of tha collar!!!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on March 07, 2006, 06:34:45 PM
Right.  My guns don't shoot anywhere near that fast anymore.  Gotta hang it up like Jordan.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 07, 2006, 07:10:20 PM
yeah I saw that clip a few days ago....some of the Nupes in Cali have some mad twirling skills...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on March 07, 2006, 07:18:01 PM
That was good :)

I'm glad to see a Kappa who can twirl, as one of the most fun things about any stepshow when I was in undergrad was trying to figure out when the cane was going to fly off the stage (although I recognize that it's really hard to master that skill) :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on March 07, 2006, 07:28:27 PM
yeah I saw that clip a few days ago....some of the Nupes in Cali have some mad twirling skills...

I've been coast to coast, north to south and Texas has the best twirlers in all of the Frat, hands down. I don't know what ya'll are feedin cats down there.

Inquirer - LOL  Yeah, I know what ya mean. Its a double edged sword sometimes - can make a show great or can make a show not so great.   :D    And you're right, it takes a minute to master the drunken monkey fighting tiger style that some cats have.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on March 07, 2006, 07:34:15 PM
That's because these fools down here bring there canes to class and when they need a break while taking notes they get a lil practice in.  Texas Represent!!!!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 07, 2006, 07:35:49 PM
 :D especially the PV Nupes...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on March 07, 2006, 08:02:37 PM
:D especially the PV Nupes...

Zeta Beta!!!!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 07, 2006, 08:03:19 PM
Animal Nupes....  :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on March 08, 2006, 06:06:39 PM
Takin it back for all of ya'll:

http://groups.msn.com/NPHCArchivePhotoSociety/theburningsands.msnw

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on March 09, 2006, 07:09:20 AM
Yea bruh, you took it back.  I think I feel an Alpha chant coming on!!!

ahem....
do re mi fa so la ti dooooooooooooooooooooo
do ti la so fa mi re dooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on March 12, 2006, 10:55:36 PM
This really sad. When will people learn?  >:(

Quote
Alleged hazing being probed
Beating incident may have involved FAMU fraternity
By Diane Hirth
DEMOCRAT SENIOR WRITER


The Florida A&M University Police Department is investigating an alleged fraternity hazing that left one student so severely beaten that he required surgery, his father said.

Mark Jones, father of Marcus Jones, a sophomore from Decatur, Ga., said his son told him he was beaten for four nights in a row with canes while pledging Kappa Alpha Psi, one of the nation's oldest and largest black fraternities. Mark Jones said the incident apparently involved 26 pledges and occurred sometime during the last week of February.

ADVERTISEMENT

"Because of the severe beatings he had taken, his right buttocks looked like a purple volleyball, and there was so much swelling some of the skin literally died," Mark Jones said Thursday. "Imagine a 3-by-3 (inch) area and all of the skin taken off down to the fatty tissue."

FAMU Police Chief Calvin Ross confirmed Thursday that the department is gathering information and that one of his investigators is "interviewing those individuals who may have knowledge of what took place."

"We are pulling together information, or looking into this incident, to the greatest extent we can," Ross said.

Last year Florida made hazing, if it results in serious injury or death, a felony. It can be punishable with up to five years in prison, regardless of whether the victim consented. But there is confusion as to whether FAMU's police department or another local law enforcement agency will be the lead investigator. That's because it's unclear if the incident occurred on or off campus, Ross said.

"He doesn't know where," Mark Jones said of his son. "They blindfolded them. Sometimes they were literally beat to the point they literally passed out."

"He's still in a state of denial. He didn't really want to come forward and let the guys down," Mark Jones said. "He didn't blow the whistle. I did, and I'm proud of it."

Mark Jones said his son did not want to be interviewed.

Marcus Jones called home March 1 to say he was hurt, said the father, a U.S. Army master sergeant mobilized for Operation Iraqi Freedom at Fort Gillem in Georgia. The environmental sciences student drove himself home on March 2, and arrived with his clothes soaked in blood. He was taken to the DeKalb Medical Center emergency room March 3, his father said.

Marcus Jones, who suffered from a hematoma, internal bleeding and required 25 stitches, faces three to four weeks of recovery and will miss the rest of the spring semester, according to his father. His pain is still significant enough to require treatment with morphine.

At Kappa Alpha Psi's national office in Philadelphia, Executive Director Richard Snow said someone has to file a complaint for his organization to investigate or take action on an alleged hazing.

"There has been no action taken as of this date," said Snow in regard to the FAMU chapter. "In a nutshell, we prohibit, in any shape, fashion or form, hazing," he added.

Mark Jones pledged Kappa Alpha Psi 27 years ago at University of Alabama, Birmingham.

"I'm more than upset. I'm mad. I'm steaming," he said.

For what was done to his son, "They're going to have to lock people up," he said. "He's a good kid. He's never given anyone trouble."

Hazing has been a dangerous, difficult-to-suppress ritual on many college campuses. A University of Miami student, Chad Meredith, drowned in 2001 in a Kappa Sigma hazing, and his parents fought for the 2005 state law with stricter penalties.

That same year, FAMU student Marcus Parker suffered kidney failure after a severe paddling initiation to play in FAMU's Marching 100 band and later won a $1.8 million civil verdict.

In 1999, the Florida State University's Marching Chiefs' drum major and a saxophone player were kicked out of the band for hazing that included paddling of second-year band students.

Contact senior writer Diane Hirth at (850) 671-6546 or dhirth@tallahassee.com.

Originally published March 10, 2006

edit: The guys have been suspended.
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060311/NEWS01/603110325/1010


Out of curiosity, who do you guys feel about the string of "hazing" events that have been going on? Where do we draw the line?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on March 14, 2006, 08:05:19 AM
I haven't noticed a "string" of incidents recently (at least, not in the past few months), although the one you posted is sad. Over the years, it seems that every organization has come under fire for "hazing" violations of some sort.  I think that the leadership of BGLOs might want to try to understand why large numbers of their membership continue to feel negatively about the MIP and address those issues.  Perhaps if those concerns were addressed, instead of widely ignored, then unfortunate events like the one at FAMU might decrease.

As far as drawing a line...are you asking what we, as Greeks, think is going too far in terms of pledging? 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on March 14, 2006, 08:28:07 AM
This topic again?

Inquirer hit the nail on the head - the problem is with the quote-unquote "Membership Intake Program."  Bottom line, it sucks, its ineffecient, it fosters 0 brotherhood or sisterhood and its not getting the job done.  Signing your name on the dotted line and paying a fee does not make you bond as a brother or a sister.  It makes you a member.

All that the MIP succeeds in doing is pushing pledging underground, which is why we have the problems that we have today.  Since the outlaw of pledging by NPHC in 1990, the state of affairs for black greek letter org's has gotten exponentially worse.  Before 1990, there were incidents of hazing associated with pledging, but not nearly to the extent that we have seen through the 90's and today.

The NPHC needs to stop acting like this MIP thing is the answer.

The solution is simple: bring back pledging. 

[note* hazing does not = pledging]
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Muse on March 14, 2006, 03:51:40 PM
Actually my pops (who's an Alpha) and I had many debates regarding this subject. MIP doesn't work. It's awful and no one can possibly learn anything about their organization in a few days or create a life long bond. From my own research it appears to me that "hazing" incidents started popping up when pledging was banned by nationals. My personal solution would be to legalize the process and bring it back above ground. The irony is that I've met old school Sorors who repect and went through the pledging process but in public continue to push  MIP....In order for these incidents to stop occurring I think a compromise is needed.


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: D. Pro on March 22, 2006, 01:20:20 PM
It's interesting to hear folks' perspective on the Membership Intake Process. I am considering doing it because I did not have the opportunity to pledge as an undergrad as there was not a chapter near/at my school. But, I went to a little information session for the Kappas about a year ago, and decided against it because a). i didn't see myself wearing all of that red, and b). it didn't feel as though if I went through that process I would be accepted as a brother. Makes me wish I had gone to a different undergrad insitution for sure :-\

Does anyone have an opinion as to how folks are viewed if they are coming in through the alumni ranks?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 22, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
depends on the chapter..and the individual.. i have no problems with people that come through a graduate process.. especially if you have a dedication to the organization.. have studied the history and live up to the standards of the objectives... grad or undergrad it's the same organization...

aside from that... if you're a good person why would i ridicule you due to your process?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on March 22, 2006, 05:43:16 PM
It's interesting to hear folks' perspective on the Membership Intake Process. I am considering doing it because I did not have the opportunity to pledge as an undergrad as there was not a chapter near/at my school. But, I went to a little information session for the Kappas about a year ago, and decided against it because a). i didn't see myself wearing all of that red, and b). it didn't feel as though if I went through that process I would be accepted as a brother. Makes me wish I had gone to a different undergrad insitution for sure :-\

Does anyone have an opinion as to how folks are viewed if they are coming in through the alumni ranks?

First, hopefully you're joking about having to wear a bunch of red being a reason why you didn't want to join an organization:)  I'm a Zeta and my favorite color is pink.  The only time I rock Royal Blue and Pure White is when I have to go to a family event, otherwise, I wear whatever I want (and I did when I was a neo too.  My ls' are mad cause they know they're likely gonna end up in pink at my wedding - lol)

Next, some of my best friends in the Sorority are people who did not pledge.  I will say that I had to reach a special level of maturity/nonchalance before that happened, but I'm happy I did.  I really don't have much to say - in the negative sense - to people in my organization or family who didn't pledge unless I sense some fronting like a process occured where one never happened (and even then I'm into "gentle but firm" correction) because at the end of the day, the work that we do for the organization is of utmost importance.  I know that some undergrads - especially in Fraternities - generally haven't reached a special level of understanding, but if you're about work and can understand that people's issues will subside if you're cool, then you'll be alright.

Finally, I'm in a grad chapter now and I'm generally okay with people who came in grad.  The graduate member mindset is different from the undergrad mindset.  I should add that I am generally indifferent to people in other organizations (outside of my family) who didn't pledge because their lack of process doesn't affect my daylight (and I think it's that way for a lot of people in BGLO's).
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: D. Pro on March 22, 2006, 07:55:46 PM
I have what one would call, a dry sense of humor. I was in fact kidding about the red thing. Seriously though, thanks for sharing your experience and perspective. My main concern was not being able to fully function within the organization of choice as a result of not being a "real" brother. You ladies definitely helped with that though... ;D  'preciate that
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Andromeda on April 07, 2006, 11:30:33 AM
Alrighteee..........For all the female sororities. I am planning on pledging again in law school, **I hear I still can**. I pledged for one of the premier black sororities in undergrad but never went rhgouh with it.

Info please, how do I go about pledging into your sororities????

I was going to pledge to be a delta in undergrad by the way.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on April 07, 2006, 03:43:00 PM
Point of clarification - did you actually pledge Delta or did you think about pledging Delta in undergrad?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on April 08, 2006, 10:58:37 AM
yeah i'm scratching my head on that one too.. another thing.. how did you KNOW that you were going to pledge Delta? you may have had interest however that doesn't mean you'd have the opportunity to engage in MIP...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Andromeda on April 10, 2006, 08:42:21 AM
Point of clarification - did you actually pledge Delta or did you think about pledging Delta in undergrad?

Well, I guess pledging isn't the right word. I was involved in some of the initial meetings and stuff, group activities etc. And then I dropped off, wasn't very interested at t he time so I never went back. I guess you could say, I was in the process of pledging but didn't go through with it.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on April 10, 2006, 08:53:28 AM
Uh oh...I smell some underground activity going on.  Anytime someone says they were "pledging" and they didn't go through with the process.  Blk, I'll turn this one over to you.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Andromeda on April 10, 2006, 09:36:30 AM
Uh oh...I smell some underground activity going on.  Anytime someone says they were "pledging" and they didn't go through with the process.  Blk, I'll turn this one over to you.

hmmmmmmmm......Am I missing something here? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I might be using the wrong term, if that's the case, it wouldn't hurt to be corrected.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on April 10, 2006, 09:37:49 AM
sounds like u're admitting to pre-pledging..which is illegal and will get you permanently banned for applying for membership...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Andromeda on April 10, 2006, 10:06:53 AM
sounds like u're admitting to pre-pledging..which is illegal and will get you permanently banned for applying for membership...

What does pre-pledging  mean.

The activities were conflicting with my school schedule and so I stopped. And they of course knew about it, not like I just hated it or anything. But i guess, I might not be getting too much info from anyone here with all the side-talk. THanks anyhoo.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on April 10, 2006, 10:13:28 AM
PM me...I'll answer some questions but not on this board...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Andromeda on April 11, 2006, 07:20:31 AM
PM me...I'll answer some questions but not on this board...

Will Do!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: cui bono? on June 04, 2006, 01:07:20 PM
Okay so I was just invited to this boat thing in DC w/ the Omegas. I was wondering if anybody else was going:

http://www.dcque.com/


Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: faith2005 on June 05, 2006, 08:17:08 PM
lol! i won't be going b/c i'm not in the area. but my girl has gone for the past year or so. she's going this year too. she likes it.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on June 06, 2006, 07:05:40 AM
The Ques I know are always trying to get me to go, but I haven't ever been in the mood for it.  From all accounts I've heard it is supposed to be nice, you should check it out.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: cui bono? on June 06, 2006, 10:43:27 AM
I live in NY so I'm not really sure if I'm up to going to DC just for a Que boat ride.  The ones I went to in the MIA were cool tho.  Lemme know if any of ya'll decides to go.   :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Texas_357 on June 09, 2006, 09:36:17 AM
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was also a member of the first African American fraternity (established May 15, 1904), Sigma Pi Phi. A fact that is not often publicized, but quite significant nonetheless. This fraternity admits only college graduates.


1904-2004: The Boulé at 100: Sigma Pi Phi Holds Centennial Celebration (http://www.looksmartusa.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_11_59/ai_n6158341)


CORRECTION...the FIRST African American Fraternity would be the Prince Hall Mason's.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 09, 2006, 10:14:18 AM
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was also a member of the first African American fraternity (established May 15, 1904), Sigma Pi Phi. A fact that is not often publicized, but quite significant nonetheless. This fraternity admits only college graduates.


1904-2004: The Boulé at 100: Sigma Pi Phi Holds Centennial Celebration (http://www.looksmartusa.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_11_59/ai_n6158341)


CORRECTION...the FIRST African American Fraternity would be the Prince Hall Mason's.

CREDITED
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 28, 2006, 01:41:23 PM
For Tiff -- so she doesn't have to see Sands' name up no more.

Question:  If pledging to an Alumni chapter -- better year to do it: 1L or 2L?  Is it advisable at all during 1L?  Is it as "bad" an experience as pledging to a college chapter?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on June 28, 2006, 01:46:12 PM
For Tiff -- so she doesn't have to see Sands' name up no more.

Question:  If pledging to an Alumni chapter -- better year to do it: 1L or 2L?  Is it advisable at all during 1L?  Is it as "bad" an experience as pledging to a college chapter?

I'm not a male, but I'll answer your questions

1st ? - Probably 2L, since being active is a pretty big time committment and you'll probably want to be pretty active as a new member (I know of a guy that went to HLS from my UG and he because Greek while in LS - I think it was during his 2nd or 3rd year)

2nd ? - Not usually.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 28, 2006, 01:47:13 PM
For Tiff -- so she doesn't have to see Sands' name up no more.

Question:  If pledging to an Alumni chapter -- better year to do it: 1L or 2L?  Is it advisable at all during 1L?  Is it as "bad" an experience as pledging to a college chapter?

I'm not a male, but I'll answer your questions

1st ? - Probably 2L, since being active is a pretty big time committment and you'll probably want to be pretty active as a new member (I know of a guy that went to HLS from my UG and he because Greek while in LS - I think it was during his 2nd or 3rd year)

2nd ? - Not usually.


Good.  So it can be done.  I'll shoot for 2L.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Young Esq. on June 28, 2006, 01:47:42 PM
For Tiff -- so she doesn't have to see Sands' name up no more.

Question:  If pledging to an Alumni chapter -- better year to do it: 1L or 2L?  Is it advisable at all during 1L?  Is it as "bad" an experience as pledging to a college chapter?

1. Don't do the ish 1L.
 
2. If you can afford to participate in Grad intake without being gainfully employed you are a TRUE BALLER
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Young Esq. on June 28, 2006, 01:49:50 PM

2. If you can afford to participate in Grad intake without being gainfully employed you are a TRUE BALLER

What they don't take out in wood, they get out in dough -- LOL

Wood  ???  ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 28, 2006, 01:51:27 PM
For Tiff -- so she doesn't have to see Sands' name up no more.

Question:  If pledging to an Alumni chapter -- better year to do it: 1L or 2L?  Is it advisable at all during 1L?  Is it as "bad" an experience as pledging to a college chapter?

1. Don't do the ish 1L.
 
2. If you can afford to participate in Grad intake without being gainfully employed you are a TRUE BALLER


Yeah, well, I guess when you're 30 Gz in debt already another 1-2 won't hurt nearly as much.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on June 28, 2006, 01:52:21 PM

Wood  ???  ::)

Sorry about that -- I forgot that our organizations do not do that anymore.  I take that "wood comment" back  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 28, 2006, 01:53:50 PM

Wood  ???  ::)

Sorry about that -- I forgot that our organizations do not do that anymore.  I take that "wood comment" back  :D



Yeah, that's like the organization I was interested in telling me, "we don't haze or do anything like that" forever and then being like "okay, from here on out, if you stick with it, we're gonna whoop you ass."

Mmhmm.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Young Esq. on June 28, 2006, 01:55:27 PM

Wood  ???  ::)

Sorry about that -- I forgot that our organizations do not do that anymore.  I take that "wood comment" back  :D

I ask unanimous consent that this comment be stricken from the record  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on June 28, 2006, 01:59:07 PM
Will do :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on June 28, 2006, 04:04:45 PM
lacoste..definitely shoot for 2L... you'd be taking on too much if you add that to your 1L endeavors..

any new poll suggestions? I've had this poll question up since the thread was started  :D
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on August 13, 2006, 04:40:21 AM
Blk -- I thought you might find this interesting.  It looks well-made.

BLACK SORORITY PROJECT, THE EXODUS
Derek & Jamar Productions presents the first installment in a new two-part documentary series, The Black Sorority Project. "The Exodus" chronicles the life and times of twenty-two women at Howard University, who as students, changed the course of American history forever. By defying the barriers of race and sex, they courageously joined the Women's Suffrage March and formed a new sorority, Delta Sigma Theta, that grew to become one of the nation's most formidable women's organizations. The timeless voice of Tamara Tunie (Law & Order: SVU, As The World Turns) transports you back in time on a photographic journey into the world of these Howard co-eds in the infancy of their burgeoning group, in the year 1913.

Black Sorority Project, The Exodus leaves no stone unturned: light skin versus dark skin, the myth of black unity and the triumph of women's achievement against the odds. With cutting edge special effects, blistering commentary and a stellar cast of actors and scholars, Black Sorority Project is an innovation in modern-day storytelling and an untold chapter in women's history.

http://www.blacksororityproject.com/documentary.htm

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on November 12, 2006, 04:29:12 PM
Welcome to the Board Bella!!!  I was lost in the world of torts, but I decided to check in on the board!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on November 12, 2006, 04:59:40 PM
Hi Bella  :)  What organization are you in??

BTW -- Congrats on your LSAT score and LOL @ your LSN name - I love that magazine, it cracks me up!!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on November 12, 2006, 05:39:18 PM
Let me re-do my welcome Bella!!!!

Welcome to the board Soror :)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on November 13, 2006, 07:25:08 AM
Hey everyone! I introduced myself some time ago but I'm just now catching up on the discussion on this thread. Greetings noble greeks of the board  :)

Welcome Bellisima.

I wanted to get the thoughts of the greeks and non-greeks alike on this topic:

http://gcraige.podbean.com/

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: blk_reign on November 13, 2006, 06:29:04 PM
bellisima welcome to the board... Sands i'll listen to that audiocast later in the week and come back with my thoughts...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 13, 2007, 06:14:40 PM
Forward from a fellow member of NPHC:

To All Members of the National Pan-Hellenic Council (NPHC):

In recent years, stepshows have become about the theatrics and
choreography, rather than marching and stepping. More importantly,
mainstream media are portraying inaccurate perceptions of Black Greek
life. Stomp the Yard, an upcoming film scheduled to debut on January 12,
2007, is a film that will spread these inaccuracies to a wider audience.
Over time, Black Greek stepshows have become nothing more than a dance
competition and a display of the hottest music videos, commercials,
movies, and TV shows.

As a result, these "step teams" in Stomp the Yard,
look like regular people that copy pop culture and look commercialize
and Greek life. Stomp the Yard is about how dancing wins stepshows. The
real Greeks in the movie lose to this fictitious frat and it is because
of the incorporation of dancing.

This should be a call to all Greeks of the National Pan-Hellenic  Council
to realize we are being commercialized like boy bands and girl groups.
This is not good publicity for the Pan-Hellenic. Hopefully this will
serve as some type of wake-up call and Greeks will realize that they did
pledge for a reason. Stomp theYard portrays Greek life as something that
can be imitated or duplicated. It should be our goal as the NPHC to
bring back the true stepshow one day and stop letting the elements that
have been incorporated over the last two decades or so influence who
wins and loses.

I am calling for a boycott of the movie Stomp the Yard
to all Greeks Of the NPHC. For the simple reason that this movie depicts Greeks in an
inaccurate light showing that we are No. 1 recruiters and No. 2 nothing
more than glorified dance groups. This movie degrades our rich and
noteworthy histories that we have all came to love and respect. The
movie also does nothing more than make a mockery of the  illustrious
organizations to which we belong. So in pride I ask that no Man or Woman
of the National Pan-Hellenic Council support this movie.


Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc., and Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.
are boycotting this movie. Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. and Omega Psi
Phi Fraternity, Inc. are also joining in.

-----------------------------


I'll add my two cents.  There's been a lot of hoop-la in the Black Greek community surrounding this movie.  Alpha Phi Alpha placed a ban on it, which I believe they lifted once Sony agreed to contribute a certain amount of proceeds from the film towards the MLK foundation.  So...I guess the movie is ok as long as they give us money?? Anyway...

I went to go check this movie out last night in hopes that the producers would actually portray the Black Greek Letter Organizations in a positive light.  I hoped that it would immerse mainstream America into the world of Black Frats and Sororities so that, at the very least, millions of Black Fraternity and Sorority members across the nation can stop having to explain Black Frats and Sororities.  Boy was I wrong.  Not only do we still have to explain our organizations after this film, we have to correct even more misconceptions and false depictions that this film has created.

In other words, this film is grade-A garbage.

And I'm saying this with the understanding that certain aspects had to be Hollywood-ized for the mainstream but even still, c'mon man.  Even people who are not in Fraternities or Sororities can point out the inaccuracies of this movie. A "dance off" to decide the tie breaker of a step show?  That's about as accurate as the Battle of the Bands tie breaker in Drum Line.

But stepping aside, one of my biggest gripes with this movie is that it strongly feels like it was written by a non-frat/sorority member on behalf of all frat/sorority members.  The pledge process is glazed over, the brotherhood is watered down, and the fraternal traditions (outside of the inaccurate depiction of stepping) are pretty much non-existant.  Fraternity and Sorority members who watch this film hoping to see some semblance of their college experience in the bond will walk away empty handed.  There's simply nothing there that we can connect to.

But perhaps my biggest gripe, and I'm sure the one shared by most NPHC members who go to see this film, is that there is almost no representation given to the 9 historically black fraternities or sororities of the NPHC.  We catch a quick glimpse of a few famous Deltas and the Alphas on the wall as the main character walks into "Heritage Hall" but that's about it.  Omega Psi Phi is never mentioned through the whole film, neither is Iota Phi Theta, Sigma Gamma Rho, Kappa Alpha Psi, or Phi Beta Sigma.  (you see some of these members during segments of the "stepshow" but that's about it).

So basically, it comes down to this: how are you gonna have a movie about Black Greekdom without the Black Greeks??




And lastly, who in the hell says "Stomp the Yard??" Its called Stepping damnit.  In the parties its called Strolling or Party Walking or Party Hopping.  On stage its called Stepping. Under no circumstances is it called "Stomping The Yard."  Getthefuckoutahere.

That's it I'm done.


Sands
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Ascoltami on January 13, 2007, 07:13:39 PM
I am not a Greek nor have I seen the movie but I can tell simply from the commercial that the movie has no respect for the traditions of Black Greeks.  Also based on the commercial it even appears that the movie is suggesting that Black Greek Letter Organizations are out of date and need to start incorporating “hip hop culture” in order to make them relevant. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: quidditch424 on January 13, 2007, 07:40:10 PM
I thought I read somewhere that Stomp The Yard was written/produced by two members of Alpha Phi Alpha? Maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 13, 2007, 08:41:19 PM
It was written and produced by two men of Alpha Phi Alpha.  You are correct!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Ascoltami on January 13, 2007, 09:15:03 PM
The movie is based on a screenplay written in the 90s called “The Rush” by Gregory Anderson who went to Florida A&M.  He is also a member of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc.  The producers of the movie Rob Hardy and Will Packer are also alumni of Florida A&M and they are members of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. 

Based on this info I guess I have to recant my previous statement and promise myself to never make another statement based on a 5-second clip of a movie.  I guess I should stay out of the Black Greek thread before I make anymore baseless statements.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 14, 2007, 08:47:10 AM
Yeah I had heard that it was produced (but not written) but two Alphas.  Doggone Alphas messin it up for everybody.  You been here for a whole century and still can't get it right, man?  What's wrong with ya'll? [looking at Intent]  :P
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 14, 2007, 12:57:10 PM
'Stomp the Yard' dances to No. 1 finish By DAVID GERMAIN, AP Movie Writer
2 hours, 53 minutes ago
 


The dance flick "Stomp the Yard" was a step ahead of the competition at the box office, debuting as the No. 1 weekend movie with $22 million.

Starring Columbus Short as a raw but talented dancer at the center of a step competition between rival college fraternities, the Sony Screen Gems movie knocked off 20th Century Fox's "Night at the Museum," which had been the top film for three straight weekends.

"Night at the Museum" slipped to second place with $17.1 million, raising its total to $185.8 million, according to studio estimates Sunday.

The weekend's other new movies had ho-hum debuts. Universal's youth drama "Alpha Dog," featuring Emile Hirsch, Ben Foster and Justin Timberlake in a tale of drugs, kidnapping and murder, opened at No. 7 with $6.1 million.

Disney's "Primeval," a thriller with Dominic Purcell and Orlando Jones as part of a news crew pursuing a prolific serial killer, premiered at No. 8 with $6 million.

Expanding to nationwide release after a limited run in December to qualify for the Academy Awards, "Arthur and the Invisibles," a live-action and animated family film from the Weinstein Co. and MGM, was No. 9 with $4.3 million.

Strong turnout by black movie-goers — who accounted for nearly two-thirds of the audience, according to Sony — pushed "Stomp the Yard" over the top. The movie followed in the footsteps of other black-themed films that debuted at No. 1 over previous Martin Luther King Jr. Day weekends, including "Glory Road" last year and "Coach Carter" in 2005.

"Sony picked a great weekend to release the film," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Media By Numbers. "The urban audience wields a lot of clout at the box office. If you put a film in the marketplace that has that built-in appeal to that audience, look at the numbers. The numbers speak for themselves."

Estimated ticket sales for Friday through Sunday at U.S. and Canadian theaters, according to Media By Numbers LLC. Final figures will be released Tuesday.

1. "Stomp the Yard," $22 million.

2. "Night at the Museum," $17.1 million.

3. "The Pursuit of Happyness," $9.1 million.

4. "Dreamgirls," $8.1 million.

5. "Freedom Writers," $7.1 million.

6. "Children of Men," $6.4 million.

7. "Alpha Dog," $6.1 million.

8. "Primeval," $6 million.

9. "Arthur and the Invisibles," $4.3 million.

10. "The Good Shepherd," $3.9 million.

___

Universal Pictures and Focus Features are owned by NBC Universal, a joint venture of General Electric Co. and Vivendi Universal; Sony Pictures, Sony Screen Gems and Sony Pictures Classics are units of Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news).; DreamWorks, Paramount and Paramount Vantage are divisions of Viacom Inc.; Disney's parent is The Walt Disney Co.; Miramax is a division of The Walt Disney Co.; 20th Century Fox, Fox Searchlight Pictures and Fox Atomic are owned by News Corp.; Warner Bros., New Line, Warner Independent and Picturehouse are units of Time Warner Inc.; MGM is owned by a consortium of Providence Equity Partners, Texas Pacific Group, Sony Corp., Comcast Corp., DLJ Merchant Banking Partners and Quadrangle Group; Lionsgate is owned by Lionsgate Entertainment Corp.; IFC Films is owned by Rainbow Media Holdings, a subsidiary of Cablevision Systems Corp.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070114/ap_en_mo/box_office&printer=1
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: A. on January 14, 2007, 12:59:40 PM
"Sony picked a great weekend to release the film," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Media By Numbers. "The urban audience wields a lot of clout at the box office. If you put a film in the marketplace that has that built-in appeal to that audience, look at the numbers. The numbers speak for themselves."

 ::)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: intent06 on January 14, 2007, 01:22:47 PM
Yeah I had heard that it was produced (but not written) but two Alphas.  Doggone Alphas messin it up for everybody.  You been here for a whole century and still can't get it right, man?  What's wrong with ya'll? [looking at Intent]  :P

Looks RIGHT back at Sands with a handful of ICE!!! hahaha :D

The Alpha got some money of out of Sony (scholars who are ALWAYS thinking about dollars).  In December they came to an agreement with Sony and had the movie edited removing all reference to Alpha (hand signs, para, etc).  AND Sony contributed some money to the MLK monument fund.  Hmmm, not bad for the end of 100 years....hehehe
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on January 14, 2007, 01:40:39 PM
"Sony picked a great weekend to release the film," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Media By Numbers. "The urban audience wields a lot of clout at the box office. If you put a film in the marketplace that has that built-in appeal to that audience, look at the numbers. The numbers speak for themselves."

 ::)

Is that the way the urbans roll their eyes?

That reminds me from I Love New York where NY referred to Chance as an "urban brother." She even pronounced the 'er'.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 14, 2007, 02:11:04 PM
Damn. I threw my $10 into that $22 million pot.  D'oh!!! :P

I tell ya I been had, led astray, run amuck, bamboozled, hoodwinked!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 14, 2007, 04:12:06 PM
STY could have been on of the worst films on black greekdom since... well... ever. I was shocked by the west coast rap meets atl club theme that accounted for about 70% of the hype. My beloved org will celebrate 99 years tomorrow and Meagan Goode was charged with the task of loosely (and poorly) portraying us in the film!  ???

No, she was actually protraying some made up sorority.  Unfortunatley, the only AKA in this film was a 2 second shot of a picture of Corretta Scott King hanging on the wall.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Statistic on January 14, 2007, 04:13:54 PM
the movie was bad?
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 14, 2007, 05:51:42 PM
STY could have been on of the worst films on black greekdom since... well... ever. I was shocked by the west coast rap meets atl club theme that accounted for about 70% of the hype. My beloved org will celebrate 99 years tomorrow and Meagan Goode was charged with the task of loosely (and poorly) portraying us in the film!  ???

No, she was actually protraying some made up sorority.  Unfortunatley, the only AKA in this film was a 2 second shot of a picture of Corretta Scott King hanging on the wall.

I think all of the orgs were fictitious but we had a discussion of the film afterwards and saw that there were underlying references to each org. I suppose it could very depending on your yard's dynamics but we figured that Mu Gamma Xi was KAY, Theta Nu Theta was APA, and that Meagan Goode was an AKA.

The "wolverines" used bats and some held canes in the movies. The thetas incorporated a lot of alpha train & cobra in their routines. And Meagan Goode and her girls held up mirror-esque poses at one point in the film.

Yeah the Thetas clearly had an Alpha theme going just from the name alone: Theta Nu Theta.  Plus they had Black and Orange as opposed to Black and Gold, and they did the snake just like the Alphas.  I did get the sense that they wanted the Mu's to be the Kappas; there were the Red and White jackets and I caught the use of bats/canes also.  Don't know where that wolf thang comes into play but I guess they had to just run with the fictional nature of the org and give it its own fictional flavor.

If Megan Good was supposed to be a fictional AKA then that means that she should have been linked up with her fictional brothers - the Thetas, but it appeared that her sorority was linked up with the Mu's though.

Oh well. Add that to the list.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: pikey on January 15, 2007, 05:44:55 AM
I agree with the frat analysis but on many campuses there is a bond between AKAs and Kappas. Some people feel Pretty People Inc more than they feel The Phirst Pham. Who knows... bad movie  :-\

On my campus it was the opposite, the Deltas and Kappas were really tight.  Then again, we didn't have Qs.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: cui bono? on January 15, 2007, 09:23:12 AM
Yeah on my campus it was the Alphas...AKAs
Kappas--> their own "sweets"
Omegas & Deltas
Sigmas vs. Zetas  (didnt really like each other much; unless it was the blue picnic)
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 15, 2007, 09:38:36 AM
Yeah on our campus it was interesting.  The "First Fam" was definitely in full effect, but not until the AKA's crossed some fine sisters.  Before that the Alphas not only didn't have anything to do with the AKA's but they actually beefed with the AKAs'.

During the First Fam beef the AKAs were usually paired up with the Kappas but the Deltas were usually the standard match up for the Kappas at our school.

The Zetas and Sigmas stayed paired without question.

The SG Rho's did their own thing but kept the "Indiana Connection" going with the Kappas.

The Iotas were on their own.

The Ques unfortunately were not at our school.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: cui bono? on January 15, 2007, 09:44:26 AM
You had Iotas?  Man, I've never even seen one.  None of the Greeks at my school fit their "sterotypes".  The Deltas were actually the "AKA" stereotype. The "fine" guys were the Omegas-pretty thugs.  I thought the "first fam" would be the Zetas and Sigmas.   :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: A. on January 15, 2007, 10:26:18 AM
Happppppppppppy Founders Day by the way!!!!   :)

The g/f says I have to get her "a big gift" next year.  Ha!
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 15, 2007, 11:06:27 AM
You had Iotas?  Man, I've never even seen one.  None of the Greeks at my school fit their "sterotypes".  The Deltas were actually the "AKA" stereotype. The "fine" guys were the Omegas-pretty thugs.  I thought the "first fam" would be the Zetas and Sigmas.   :-\

Well, technically speaking, the Zetas and the Sigmas are the only family. They are the only two frat/soror pairs that constitutionally recognize each other.  Everybody else varies from campus to campus.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: cui bono? on January 15, 2007, 04:45:53 PM
LMAO at "Omega Pretty Thugs"!!! When we had Omega men they were neither pretty nor were they thuggish. They were just big and real cool! Our entire area loved partying with them but as I recall they were close to the Deltas. AKA was close with both the Alphas and the Kappas but more recently the Kappas (probably within the last 10 years or so).

Happppppppppppy Founders Day by the way!!!!   :)

They were  some "pretty thugs" :D.  LOL...yeah very cool ppls.  Forever having some crazy cruise party.  The Kappas were def the second in real/down-to-earthness Greek folk in undergrad.  But What  the heck was up with all the old heads at all the parties...like 45+?  Cracked me up.

You had Iotas?  Man, I've never even seen one.  None of the Greeks at my school fit their "sterotypes".  The Deltas were actually the "AKA" stereotype. The "fine" guys were the Omegas-pretty thugs.  I thought the "first fam" would be the Zetas and Sigmas.   :-\

Well, technically speaking, the Zetas and the Sigmas are the only family. They are the only two frat/soror pairs that constitutionally recognize each other.  Everybody else varies from campus to campus.

Yeah I know my "Divine Nine" History  ;) 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 15, 2007, 04:47:45 PM
You had Iotas?  Man, I've never even seen one.  None of the Greeks at my school fit their "sterotypes".  The Deltas were actually the "AKA" stereotype. The "fine" guys were the Omegas-pretty thugs.  I thought the "first fam" would be the Zetas and Sigmas.   :-\

The AKAs at my school definitely fit the stereotype....that's why I couldn't mess with any of them. :-\
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: cui bono? on January 15, 2007, 04:54:56 PM
You had Iotas?  Man, I've never even seen one.  None of the Greeks at my school fit their "sterotypes".  The Deltas were actually the "AKA" stereotype. The "fine" guys were the Omegas-pretty thugs.  I thought the "first fam" would be the Zetas and Sigmas.   :-\

The AKAs at my school definitely fit the stereotype....that's why I couldn't mess with any of them. :-\

Yeah my school (said they were 12% black they were actually like 2% it seemed like) was weird!  The AKAs were the more "natural" looking sistahs on campus and the Deltas were more like the "G phi G" girls from Spike Lee's movie   
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on January 15, 2007, 04:58:25 PM
Well, technically speaking, the Zetas and the Sigmas are the only family. They are the only two frat/soror pairs that constitutionally recognize each other.  Everybody else varies from campus to campus.

 :o For real?  Okay, you really just schooled me on some things!  At my school, and in most other schools in the state, it seems everyone's Phirst Pham is the Alphas and the AKAs.  The Deltas and the Ques were another clique, and the Zetas and the Sigmas rounded out the mix.  The Kappas, well they just had "sweethearts", and the Sigma Gamma Rhos -- I don't think we even had a chapter.  Or if we did, there were like 5-6 junior and senior members that graduated and the chapter just fizzled out. 

As for the stereotypes :-\, for what's worth...
the Alphas -- driven, intelligent, and the ones on academic scholarship and/or running things on campus
the AKAs -- the pretty girls
the Deltas -- driven, motivated, and overachieving, the most popular women running things on campus
the Ques -- "them dirty dawgs", a rep for being thuggish and loving to party
the Kappas -- the pretty boys, eye candy (though they didn't really live up to this as the years passed! :P )
the Zetas/Sigmas -- ummm, well...

I have never even heard of Iotas.  We didn't have that either.  btw - My mom told me when she was coming up, they had two other groups called "Groove Phi Groove" and "Swing Phi Swing."  Has anybody else heard of this?

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: cui bono? on January 15, 2007, 05:05:08 PM
Well, technically speaking, the Zetas and the Sigmas are the only family. They are the only two frat/soror pairs that constitutionally recognize each other.  Everybody else varies from campus to campus.

 the Zetas/Sigmas -- ummm, well...

I have never even heard of Iotas.  We didn't have that either.  btw - My mom told me when she was coming up, they had two other groups called "Groove Phi Groove" and "Swing Phi Swing."  Has anybody else heard of this?


LOL @ the the "umm well".  Never heard of Groove Phi Groove or Swing Phi Swing.  From what I had to research, one the of goals of the Divine 9, originally, was to model it after the Caucasian Greek life (as well as some Egyptian and Christian beliefs thrown into the mix) from which they were excluded so I would think they would only include Greek lettering but dont quote me

Plus the Rhos came out in the what the 70s? 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 15, 2007, 06:44:31 PM
Well, technically speaking, the Zetas and the Sigmas are the only family. They are the only two frat/soror pairs that constitutionally recognize each other.  Everybody else varies from campus to campus.

 the Zetas/Sigmas -- ummm, well...

I have never even heard of Iotas.  We didn't have that either.  btw - My mom told me when she was coming up, they had two other groups called "Groove Phi Groove" and "Swing Phi Swing."  Has anybody else heard of this?


LOL @ the the "umm well".  Never heard of Groove Phi Groove or Swing Phi Swing.  From what I had to research, one the of goals of the Divine 9, originally, was to model it after the Caucasian Greek life (as well as some Egyptian and Christian beliefs thrown into the mix) from which they were excluded so I would think they would only include Greek lettering but dont quote me

Plus the Rhos came out in the what the 70s? 

LOL!  No man, the Rho's were founded in 1922 and joined the NPHC in 1937.  Nobody came in the 70's.  LOL :D

And the goal of the NPHC was not so much to model themselves after the white greek system so much as it was to create their own greek system. You are dead on about the exclusion part though.

And yes I've heard of Swing Phi Swing, Groove Phi Groove (the real G Phi G) and a host of others.  Truth be told, there are literally over 100 black fraternities and sororoities however most have popped up recently within the past 10 to 15 years, and many of them are only local groups, like Swing Phi Swing, with no national representation.  The "divine 9" as they're sometimes called, (formerlly the "Elite 8" before Iota joined NPHC in the 90's) just so happen to be the only ones that have enough members to have national representation.

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Inquirer on January 16, 2007, 07:16:24 AM
Wow -- The Black Greek thread was on and poppin this weekend  :D

Anyway, first and foremost...Happy Founder's Day to the Finer Women of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc!!! :)

(and a belated Happy Founder's Day to the Kappa's, AKA's and Delta's)


Natalie,

The Grooves were founded at my UG school (one of my closest friends is one). I think the Swings were founded in North  Carolina, but I'd have to check that.  I think they're real deep in the South, in Maryland and in Philly. Most of the ones I've met outside of Maryland were from schools in Louisiana or HBCU's in the Philly area.

Sands,

The Swings actually have national representation. They, and the Grooves are members of the Council of Independent Organizations along with Alpha Phi Omega, Phi Omicron Psi and Phi Alpha Psi (at least at some HBCU's). The Iota's also used to be members of that group until they joined the NPHC in the early 90's (they'd first joined in the 60's, but they left).  The Iota's were also founded at my UG school, so I used to get an earful about their history. 
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 16, 2007, 06:29:58 PM
Wow -- The Black Greek thread was on and poppin this weekend  :D

Anyway, first and foremost...Happy Founder's Day to the Finer Women of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc!!! :)

(and a belated Happy Founder's Day to the Kappa's, AKA's and Delta's)


Natalie,

The Grooves were founded at my UG school (one of my closest friends is one). I think the Swings were founded in North  Carolina, but I'd have to check that.  I think they're real deep in the South, in Maryland and in Philly. Most of the ones I've met outside of Maryland were from schools in Louisiana or HBCU's in the Philly area.

Sands,

The Swings actually have national representation. They, and the Grooves are members of the Council of Independent Organizations along with Alpha Phi Omega, Phi Omicron Psi and Phi Alpha Psi (at least at some HBCU's). The Iota's also used to be members of that group until they joined the NPHC in the early 90's (they'd first joined in the 60's, but they left).  The Iota's were also founded at my UG school, so I used to get an earful about their history. 

Happy Founder's day back atcha.  We're 96 years old man, gettin close to that 100.

Man I used to know this one cat who was die hard A Phi Que.  I mean die hard.  Swore by it.  He had me hype for him. LOL :D

I didn't know they belonged to the same council.  There's a real cool Alpha out there by the name of Dr. Walter Kimbrough, he put out a book about black frats & sororities and does a lot of speaking at the different conventions.  He does probably the most thorough job on breaking down and researching all of the different orgs out there.  At any rate, that's how I came to learn that there were so many more black orgs out there that just the big 9.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: cui bono? on January 17, 2007, 03:44:27 PM
Well, technically speaking, the Zetas and the Sigmas are the only family. They are the only two frat/soror pairs that constitutionally recognize each other.  Everybody else varies from campus to campus.

 the Zetas/Sigmas -- ummm, well...

I have never even heard of Iotas.  We didn't have that either.  btw - My mom told me when she was coming up, they had two other groups called "Groove Phi Groove" and "Swing Phi Swing."  Has anybody else heard of this?


LOL @ the the "umm well".  Never heard of Groove Phi Groove or Swing Phi Swing.  From what I had to research, one the of goals of the Divine 9, originally, was to model it after the Caucasian Greek life (as well as some Egyptian and Christian beliefs thrown into the mix) from which they were excluded so I would think they would only include Greek lettering but dont quote me

Plus the Rhos came out in the what the 70s? 

LOL!  No man, the Rho's were founded in 1922 and joined the NPHC in 1937.  Nobody came in the 70's.  LOL :D


my bad, homie.   :P

Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Blue22 on January 21, 2007, 04:19:50 PM
Most def. here before the 70's ;)
Though as a side note, I've seen more GphiG's down here in the South than Iotas...
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 22, 2007, 03:25:42 PM
My undergrad's chapter of aka crossed a bunch of random people, since it was the only org "officially" on campus, but once they crossed they started becoming the stereotype--it was SO odd. They weren't that "pretty" though (some were, many not).

There were basically two groups of black guys at the school: the athletes (most of the black men were athletes - a few of them pledged Q off campus) and the Kappa men (all but a few were gay and ALL fit that metrosexual Kappa stereotype). There were a few--very few--outliers.
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 06, 2008, 01:56:23 PM
To all my fellow bruhs out there, I was out yesterday but Happy Belated Founder's Day.

If you haven't already be sure to take at least a minute to pay our respects to the 10 men who founded this institution of Kappa Alpha Psi based on "high ideals and the purpose of achievement, seeking to raise the sights of black youths and stimulate them to accomplishments higher than might otherwise be realized or even imagined."

And rededicate ourselves to uphold these ideals and continue to uplift one another to achieve in every field of human endeavor.


I say Yo!


Sands


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Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: UNAS on January 07, 2008, 02:58:41 PM
To all my fellow bruhs out there, I was out yesterday but Happy Belated Founder's Day.

If you haven't already be sure to take at least a minute to pay our respects to the 10 men who founded this institution of Kappa Alpha Psi based on "high ideals and the purpose of achievement, seeking to raise the sights of black youths and stimulate them to accomplishments higher than might otherwise be realized or even imagined."

And rededicate ourselves to uphold these ideals and continue to uplift one another to achieve in every field of human endeavor.


I say Yo!


Sands


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Happy Founders Day Nupe
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: BlackJack21 on March 02, 2008, 10:58:36 PM
bump
Title: Re: The Black Greek Thread
Post by: BlackJack21 on March 02, 2008, 11:02:49 PM
Just had to bump and represent!

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