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Title: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: battousaiken on April 15, 2005, 09:10:20 PM
  Not long ago, white males received much more than Affirmative Action. Back then, blacks, hispanics, and even white women were simply NOT EVEN CONSIDERED for law school. White males got into top law schools that many did not deserve.
  The only way to be 100% fair today is to open law school applications only to minorities and white women, but that would be stooping to the white male level. So instead, AA is created. It helps take care of some of the damage that white males created in the legal system. Simple as that.

And for those using the "I wasn't part of the group of white males that benefited" excuse, it doesn't matter. Yes. We probably won't enjoy Social Security when we retire but WE STILL HAVE TO pay for it. Just because you did not or will not benefit from something doesn't mean you don't have to pay for it. Simple as that.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: hilljack on April 15, 2005, 09:16:20 PM
Oh, the number of things we could do with this logic.

Let's start by putting Germans in consentration camps.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: battousaiken on April 15, 2005, 09:21:38 PM
Oh, the number of things we could do with this logic.

Let's start by putting Germans in consentration camps.

Your logic is the one that's wrong. I said "INSTEAD, AA is created". My logic is more akin to keeping today's Germans from re-developing Nazi ideals and organizing a movement.

Simple as that.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: hilljack on April 15, 2005, 09:32:37 PM
Your argument is ridiculous

Not long ago, white males received much more than Affirmative Action. Back then, blacks, hispanics, and even white women were simply NOT EVEN CONSIDERED for law school. White males got into top law schools that many did not deserve.
 The only way to be 100% fair today is to open law school applications only to minorities and white women, but that would be stooping to the white male level. So instead, AA is created. It helps take care of some of the damage that white males created in the legal system. Simple as that.

And for those using the "I wasn't part of the group of white males that benefited" excuse, it doesn't matter. Yes. We probably won't enjoy Social Security when we retire but WE STILL HAVE TO pay for it. Just because you did not or will not benefit from something doesn't mean you don't have to pay for it. Simple as that.

First block--so if I personally was the only person who was denied access to something I was entitled to, every other person on the face of the planet was granted access to it (say a heart transplant), the only fair way to resolve this is to let my son have a heart transplant and every one else doesn't get one.

The only 100% fair way to cure past discretion is through role reversal (see last post)?

Hypothetical--That is a very mature attitude.  If I find out that your great-grandfather killed my great-grandfather, I should be obligated to kill you?  The fact that it was a different time with different people is irrelevant.

You know what, you got a reaction, which is probably all you wanted, I will leave it at that.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: Julie Fern on April 15, 2005, 09:34:37 PM
no:  more, more!
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: hilljack on April 15, 2005, 09:41:09 PM
I am almost convinced that you are picking on me.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: Julie Fern on April 15, 2005, 09:42:12 PM
no, just trying to be your humor mentor.  but happy enough to pick on you if that what please you.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: battousaiken on April 15, 2005, 09:44:20 PM
Your argument is ridiculous

Not long ago, white males received much more than Affirmative Action. Back then, blacks, hispanics, and even white women were simply NOT EVEN CONSIDERED for law school. White males got into top law schools that many did not deserve.
 The only way to be 100% fair today is to open law school applications only to minorities and white women, but that would be stooping to the white male level. So instead, AA is created. It helps take care of some of the damage that white males created in the legal system. Simple as that.

And for those using the "I wasn't part of the group of white males that benefited" excuse, it doesn't matter. Yes. We probably won't enjoy Social Security when we retire but WE STILL HAVE TO pay for it. Just because you did not or will not benefit from something doesn't mean you don't have to pay for it. Simple as that.

First block--so if I personally was the only person who was denied access to something I was entitled to, every other person on the face of the planet was granted access to it (say a heart transplant), the only fair way to resolve this is to let my son have a heart transplant and every one else doesn't get one.

The only 100% fair way to cure past discretion is through role reversal (see last post)?

Hypothetical--That is a very mature attitude.  If I find out that your great-grandfather killed my great-grandfather, I should be obligated to kill you?  The fact that it was a different time with different people is irrelevant.

You know what, you got a reaction, which is probably all you wanted, I will leave it at that.


Fairness isn't necessarily a good thing. Yes, the only way to achieve 100% FAIRNESS is to do the things you mentioned (with the exception of being OBLIGATED to do them.)
This is not what AA is about, and I repeat, this is why I carefully used the word INSTEAD. I didn't want to bash you, but you don't seem to get it. Are you retarded in any way? Because I can be condescending if need be.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: hilljack on April 15, 2005, 09:45:33 PM
Humor mentor, w/ anecdotes like that, how could I pass?
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: Julie Fern on April 15, 2005, 09:47:08 PM
not think you were.  however, you very slow learner.  julie suggest that you buy whoopee cushion and get into spirit.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: hilljack on April 15, 2005, 10:00:26 PM
Haven't I already told you I am not a fan of bathroom humor.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: Julie Fern on April 16, 2005, 04:33:32 AM
you not show much familiarity with any sort of humor.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: pittsburghphil on April 17, 2005, 03:07:25 AM
well let's talk about fairness then. jews have been persecuted by nearly every country on earth for only about 5700 years. maybe if I claim that america was responsible for the millions gased in concentration camps because they didn't bomb the railroad tracks leading into the camps, somebody will decide to give me remuneration. but gosh darnit! most jews are already doctors and lawyers, so what am I going to demand? and how many jews are there? a whole lot less than blacks or hispanics. is it my fault they're underepresented? I think not, but I still have to pay for not having done anything 'oppressive' to any other race, not having been born in the us.

I guess we didn't female dog about it and demand unfair advantages, such as reverse discrimination, and quotas. After that many years of discrimination and anti-semitism we're friggin used to it, we just went out and competed on an even playing field. and won! AA IS FVCKIN' BULLS***!
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: battousaiken on April 17, 2005, 03:30:16 AM
well let's talk about fairness then. jews have been persecuted by nearly every country on earth for only about 5700 years. maybe if I claim that america was responsible for the millions gased in concentration camps because they didn't bomb the railroad tracks leading into the camps, somebody will decide to give me remuneration. but gosh darnit! most jews are already doctors and lawyers, so what am I going to demand? and how many jews are there? a whole lot less than blacks or hispanics. is it my fault they're underepresented? I think not, but I still have to pay for not having done anything 'oppressive' to any other race, not having been born in the us.

I guess we didn't female dog about it and demand unfair advantages, such as reverse discrimination, and quotas. After that many years of discrimination and anti-semitism we're friggin used to it, we just went out and competed on an even playing field. and won! AA IS FVCKIN' BULLS***!



bull if you think there was no AA for Jews! After the war Americans were so shocked and full of pity about the Holocaust that they gave Jews whatever they wanted. HTH.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: Trinitygunner on April 17, 2005, 06:38:14 AM
Wow. an AA debate...being an Asian-American (the group that gets shafted the most by traditional AA policies), i'm still a strong supporter of AA. I think what we need to do is clarify the idea of "most qualified" vs. "most appropriate." AA does not necessarily select the most appropriate applicant, but the applicant that brings the "most" to the table, in terms of making law school (or anything else, for that matter), a more intellectually and culturally stimulating environment. We all cry and whine about test-scores and GPAs being weighted too much, yet when something is brought about such as AA people cry and whine some more. If we only took the highest grades/test scores, then we'd end up with a, more or less, all-white and all-east Asian student body, and that, my friends is good for nobody. Color is fun, culture is fun, the more different people are, the merrier!
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: pittsburghphil on April 17, 2005, 08:20:32 PM
well let's talk about fairness then. jews have been persecuted by nearly every country on earth for only about 5700 years. maybe if I claim that america was responsible for the millions gased in concentration camps because they didn't bomb the railroad tracks leading into the camps, somebody will decide to give me remuneration. but gosh darnit! most jews are already doctors and lawyers, so what am I going to demand? and how many jews are there? a whole lot less than blacks or hispanics. is it my fault they're underepresented? I think not, but I still have to pay for not having done anything 'oppressive' to any other race, not having been born in the us.

I guess we didn't female dog about it and demand unfair advantages, such as reverse discrimination, and quotas. After that many years of discrimination and anti-semitism we're friggin used to it, we just went out and competed on an even playing field. and won! AA IS FVCKIN' BULLS***!



bull if you think there was no AA for Jews! After the war Americans were so shocked and full of pity about the Holocaust that they gave Jews whatever they wanted. HTH.


whatever they wanted? really? name one thing? they were given preference in schools and jobs? you know you should really get your facts straight before you reveal any more of your puerile ignorance. They received NOTHING except for the chance to move to america and start over, living in the same ghettos italians and irish lived in. not surprising considering america knew all about the holocaust from the very start. 

so returning to my point, if there is AA, then it should be applied to all minorites, not just ones who are still in the dumps when it comes to socioeconomics.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: battousaiken on April 18, 2005, 03:41:31 AM
well let's talk about fairness then. jews have been persecuted by nearly every country on earth for only about 5700 years. maybe if I claim that america was responsible for the millions gased in concentration camps because they didn't bomb the railroad tracks leading into the camps, somebody will decide to give me remuneration. but gosh darnit! most jews are already doctors and lawyers, so what am I going to demand? and how many jews are there? a whole lot less than blacks or hispanics. is it my fault they're underepresented? I think not, but I still have to pay for not having done anything 'oppressive' to any other race, not having been born in the us.

I guess we didn't female dog about it and demand unfair advantages, such as reverse discrimination, and quotas. After that many years of discrimination and anti-semitism we're friggin used to it, we just went out and competed on an even playing field. and won! AA IS FVCKIN' BULLS***!



bull if you think there was no AA for Jews! After the war Americans were so shocked and full of pity about the Holocaust that they gave Jews whatever they wanted. HTH.


whatever they wanted? really? name one thing? they were given preference in schools and jobs? you know you should really get your facts straight before you reveal any more of your puerile ignorance. They received NOTHING except for the chance to move to america and start over, living in the same ghettos italians and irish lived in. not surprising considering america knew all about the holocaust from the very start. 

so returning to my point, if there is AA, then it should be applied to all minorites, not just ones who are still in the dumps when it comes to socioeconomics.


You are simply wrong. I am not an anti-semite, but the Jews are the teacher's pets of America. So a madman tried to wipe them out. Over the full scope of history blacks, latinos/hispanics, and Asians have suffered much more than Jews and STILL face racism and diminished opportunities. Wake up.

Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: Ordack on April 18, 2005, 04:01:44 AM
well let's talk about fairness then. jews have been persecuted by nearly every country on earth for only about 5700 years. maybe if I claim that america was responsible for the millions gased in concentration camps because they didn't bomb the railroad tracks leading into the camps, somebody will decide to give me remuneration. but gosh darnit! most jews are already doctors and lawyers, so what am I going to demand? and how many jews are there? a whole lot less than blacks or hispanics. is it my fault they're underepresented? I think not, but I still have to pay for not having done anything 'oppressive' to any other race, not having been born in the us.

I guess we didn't female dog about it and demand unfair advantages, such as reverse discrimination, and quotas. After that many years of discrimination and anti-semitism we're friggin used to it, we just went out and competed on an even playing field. and won! AA IS FVCKIN' BULLS***!



bull if you think there was no AA for Jews! After the war Americans were so shocked and full of pity about the Holocaust that they gave Jews whatever they wanted. HTH.


whatever they wanted? really? name one thing? they were given preference in schools and jobs? you know you should really get your facts straight before you reveal any more of your puerile ignorance. They received NOTHING except for the chance to move to america and start over, living in the same ghettos italians and irish lived in. not surprising considering america knew all about the holocaust from the very start. 

so returning to my point, if there is AA, then it should be applied to all minorites, not just ones who are still in the dumps when it comes to socioeconomics.


I'm not trying to get in on the whole AA debate...but in response to the statement in bold...how about their own country...Israel.  It was recognized almost immediately by the US and USSR in 1948. 
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: battousaiken on April 18, 2005, 07:05:26 AM
well let's talk about fairness then. jews have been persecuted by nearly every country on earth for only about 5700 years. maybe if I claim that america was responsible for the millions gased in concentration camps because they didn't bomb the railroad tracks leading into the camps, somebody will decide to give me remuneration. but gosh darnit! most jews are already doctors and lawyers, so what am I going to demand? and how many jews are there? a whole lot less than blacks or hispanics. is it my fault they're underepresented? I think not, but I still have to pay for not having done anything 'oppressive' to any other race, not having been born in the us.

I guess we didn't female dog about it and demand unfair advantages, such as reverse discrimination, and quotas. After that many years of discrimination and anti-semitism we're friggin used to it, we just went out and competed on an even playing field. and won! AA IS FVCKIN' BULLS***!



bull if you think there was no AA for Jews! After the war Americans were so shocked and full of pity about the Holocaust that they gave Jews whatever they wanted. HTH.


whatever they wanted? really? name one thing? they were given preference in schools and jobs? you know you should really get your facts straight before you reveal any more of your puerile ignorance. They received NOTHING except for the chance to move to america and start over, living in the same ghettos italians and irish lived in. not surprising considering america knew all about the holocaust from the very start. 

so returning to my point, if there is AA, then it should be applied to all minorites, not just ones who are still in the dumps when it comes to socioeconomics.


I'm not trying to get in on the whole AA debate...but in response to the statement in bold...how about their own country...Israel.  It was recognized almost immediately by the US and USSR in 1948. 


This is right. I didn't want to mention this because it was way too obvious, but that's a great example. When has the US ever tried to recognize PR, Guam, and other territories as independent nations? Never, all referendums are carried out by the territories themselves, and US presidents are always quick to say that the territories are too important, blah, blah, blah. However, Jews suffer for a limited period of time and Israel is immediately recognized. Enough said.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: _BP_ on April 18, 2005, 07:07:45 AM
Oh, the number of things we could do with this logic.

Let's start by putting Germans in consentration camps.

Actually let's start by putting you in a spelling camp.

Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: battousaiken on April 18, 2005, 07:29:02 AM
Opinion question for OP: If AA was discontinued right now, do you think that minorities would start to be discriminated against in the admissions process?

No doubt in my mind.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: _BP_ on April 18, 2005, 08:03:45 AM
Okay, we put up with the whole Jim Crow era, but to interfere with a man's right to get a cold beer, now that's plain wrong.  Does there have to be legislation on everything to get some people to act right? Daymn ;) :

Study Finds Racism in New Orleans' Bars

DiversityInc.com
If you're black and you belly up to a bar on Bourbon Street, be forewarned: You run a 50-50 chance of either being charged more or being forced to order a minimum number of drinks.

Those are the findings of a study done for the city in the wake of the death of a black college student who died in a scuffle with white bouncers outside a bar on the famous French Quarter thoroughfare.

The study, conducted by the Greater New Orleans Fair Housing Action Center, paired black and white men of similar body type, dress and manner, and sent them into bars within minutes of each other.

Of the 28 bars visited, 40 percent charged the black customers more for drinks. A white man, for example, bought a Long Island iced tea for $7.50, while the black man was charged $9, according to James Perry, executive director of the private, nonprofit housing center.

Ten percent of the bars informed the blacks—but not the whites—that there was a drink minimum, and 7 percent told their black customers that they would have to meet a dress code.

The report recommended the city take several steps, including investigating discrimination at bars and enforcing civil-rights laws through litigation.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: HBCU.EDU on April 18, 2005, 11:10:08 AM
I hate yt.  >:(
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: Julie Fern on April 18, 2005, 11:16:25 AM
I'm not trying to get in on the whole AA debate...but in response to the statement in bold...how about their own country...Israel. It was recognized almost immediately by the US and USSR in 1948.

but then israel donned fake beard and nose and hasn't been recognized since.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: pittsburghphil on April 18, 2005, 08:29:29 PM
giving jews their own country is a reparation? I hope you jest, because it was not given to them in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. so hence once again you demonstrate a total and utter lack of comprehension of history. if you check the records Israel was WON in a series of WARS, NOT GIVEN to jews BY ANY NATION. and if Israel was in existence before the holocaust, it never would have occured. hence perhaps a modicum of respect was due from europe and usa by recognition of a LONG overdue jewish state.

next quick history lesson. depaul states something to the effect of 'jews suffer for a limited period of time' hence once again demonstrating a disregard for fact, and putting on the spin of his own opinion. so, once again, if you did a perfunctory check of world history you would realize that jews have been persecuted and have suffered AT LEAST as much hardship and racism as blacks or hispanics or ANY minority that now claims a right to be shown preferential treatment in todays economy.

I am not accusing anyone of antisemitism, so please don't infer what I do not state. I am accusing some people of posting malarky and jibber jabber that is not backed by facts. some people need to do the research before finding excuses for your own opinions. if some people can't face facts, that will not change them and will simply confound those people's own arguments. perhaps some people need to find a different reason to support their views about continuing racism because their ancestors were maligned, as the revenge reason simply does not hold up. just because jews are doing well today does not mean they were not discriminated against in the past by this and most other countries, nor does it make then not a major minority.

I, sirs, had nothing to do with anybodys ancestors in this country. my ancestors are not from america, and yet I have to pay the price for the actions and policies of some who most today agree were wrong. and I certainly DON'T want a job from germany because some nazi there shot down my great grandfather's plane. in fact, I don't even want to live there...
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: Yonvan on April 18, 2005, 08:43:29 PM
 
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You are simply wrong. I am not an anti-semite, but the Jews are the teacher's pets of America. So a madman tried to wipe them out. Over the full scope of history blacks, latinos/hispanics, and Asians have suffered much more than Jews and STILL face racism and diminished opportunities. Wake up.


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This is just wrong. Over the grand scope of history Jews are the only group that you mentioned that didn't live in their own land. It is tough to be a persecuted minority when you live in your own land, which is what Africans and Asians did (for the most part). In Europe, Jews WERE the only other, and were subject to thousands of years of pogrom, violent attacks, discrimination, etc. We didn't enter the professions in large numbers until the latter half of the 20th century. My great grandfather was formally trained as an engineer in the United States but no company would hire him because he was Jewish -- he worked as a carpenter.

No other population has been the constant subject of systematic and well-supported attempts to eradicate or absorb it. The Holocaust is the worst example, but it's far from the only one. Go read about the Crusades --- ancient Jewish communities were wiped out. Go read about the rise of Islam -- Jewish communities were destroyed. Go read about the conditions of the great majority of the world Jewish population in the interwar years -- the Jews of Poland and Russia -- and learn about the incredible, pervasive poverty and scars left by pogrom and riots. Go read about the Soviet Union, and the incredible effort to eradicate Judaism by closing down synagogues and community centers and moving people around to destroy Jewish communities, while purging the Jewish elites reguarly.

Nobody is saying Jews deserve AA, we had a lot of characteristics as a population (literarcy, a religious culture of scholarship) that made it relatively straightforward for us to climb the ladder into the middle class (as opposed to other groups), but for you to say blacks and Hispanics have suffered much more is just patently false.

Now, if you want to discuss the genocide of the Native Americans and say that there is a group which has suffered, as a population, to the extent that Jews have, I would be willing to give that to you. African Americans continue to suffer from horrible discrimination and have endured awful historic circumstances, but no one ever tried to wipe them out as a group like people did to the Jews, time and again. That's the difference, and it is an important one. With that said, it is still important to try to remedy the problems of the past with progressive policy like race-based preferences.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: ram0036 on April 18, 2005, 08:50:16 PM
When in doubt blame some other group.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: hilljack on April 18, 2005, 09:29:14 PM
Oh, the number of things we could do with this logic.

Let's start by putting Germans in consentration camps.

Actually let's start by putting you in a spelling camp.



I will go to spelling camp if you go to 'focusing on the message' camp

By the way, that was obvious sarcasm.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: battousaiken on April 18, 2005, 10:07:55 PM
Pittsburgh and Yonsam,

Please quit it. Only a Jew would have a view of world history so skewed as to make those statements. (Well, either a Jew or a retard).

Jews DID NOT suffer as much as Africans, Latin Americans, or Native Americans. Period.

Most Jews are even considered white and are not discriminated against today. Period.

Look up "Jew" in most Law school application forms. Yes. Nothing. Period.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: pittsburghphil on April 19, 2005, 01:46:11 AM
yes depaul this will indeed be my last post; I can plainly see reason and fact are no competition to ignorance and self-pity. you have time and again, on other posts as well, proven yourself a closed-minded biased jackass unwilling to even look at another point of view. your arguments are not only spurious, but the bilge you spew is trite to the point of absurdity. your sciolistic arguments are akin to my arguing with a software programmer and telling him java does not exist. I am not dumb enough to argue about things I know nothing about, but you, obviously are. WAKE UP. going through life in a stupor is not the way to succeed. but then if you knew ANYTHING about history this discussion would not have already wasted too much of my time. on behalf of all jews, and retards, I beg your forgiveness for the scholarship and intellectual capacity of my people. may your career and bloviating skills take you far... away from me.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: battousaiken on April 19, 2005, 02:42:26 AM
yes depaul this will indeed be my last post; I can plainly see reason and fact are no competition to ignorance and self-pity. you have time and again, on other posts as well, proven yourself a closed-minded biased jackass unwilling to even look at another point of view. your arguments are not only spurious, but the bilge you spew is trite to the point of absurdity. your sciolistic arguments are akin to my arguing with a software programmer and telling him java does not exist. I am not dumb enough to argue about things I know nothing about, but you, obviously are. WAKE UP. going through life in a stupor is not the way to succeed. but then if you knew ANYTHING about history this discussion would not have already wasted too much of my time. on behalf of all jews, and retards, I beg your forgiveness for the scholarship and intellectual capacity of my people. may your career and bloviating skills take you far... away from me.


Ignorant, retard, AND an a-hole. Wow...just...wow.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: _BP_ on April 19, 2005, 05:24:44 AM
I see this thread worked out out well.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: Ladyday on April 19, 2005, 09:12:42 AM
Wow. This is really gross. I truly do appreciate the OP's original suggestion and points, but once this thread denigrated into "who suffered more" that's when it turned disgusting. Yes, there are differences in the racial discrimination that Jews and Blacks have suffered, but arguing over which was worse will get us nowhere  :-\ :-[
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: battousaiken on April 19, 2005, 11:04:10 AM
Wow. This is really gross. I truly do appreciate the OP's original suggestion and points, but once this thread denigrated into "who suffered more" that's when it turned disgusting. Yes, there are differences in the racial discrimination that Jews and Blacks have suffered, but arguing over which was worse will get us nowhere  :-\ :-[

The thread did go way downhill. I am sorry for that, but it was highjacked by a person who had no reason to mention Jews in the first place. And although I am sorry for what the thread became, I don't apologize for what I feel is accurate (in regards to who suffered more), but I agree that this thread was not the place for that topic.
Title: Re: The Only Real Reason For Why AA Should Be In Place
Post by: ram0036 on April 19, 2005, 11:25:48 AM
This thread makes me laugh.