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LSAT Preparation => Studying for the LSAT => Topic started by: cokocaramel on March 01, 2003, 12:44:38 AM

Title: February Score Results
Post by: cokocaramel on March 01, 2003, 12:44:38 AM
Has anyone called telescore today to get their score early?  I just did and disappointed to find out that I got a 143 (21%).  The only good thing is that I only applied to two schools with evening programs and one of them luckily is looking between a 143 and 161.  My gpa is 3.0.  No responses yet from the schools.  What did you get? :'( :'(
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: lp4law on March 03, 2003, 06:10:51 AM
Yeah, I called in on Saturday.  I got a 156 (70%), which, all things considered, I'm fairly satisfied with.  I have a B.S. in Aeronautical/Aerospace Engineering from California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo, but with only a 2.6 cum (LSAC calcs). I've been working as a spacecraft engineer for General Dynamics for five years, and have started a number of my own technology/engineering companies on the side (Corps/LLCs).  I'm looking at Loyola Law School and Southwestern for the night divisions, Fall 2003.  I'm just now sending in my apps; but as a fallback, I'm starting this evening at a local CBA law school (Ventura College of Law).  Good luck to you.  Where are you applying?
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: cokocaramel on March 03, 2003, 06:46:08 AM
I hope you are very satisfied with your score.  I really think it all depends on what school you are applying for.  I applied to Suffolk Law School and New England School both of which I would attend part-time at nights (I have three daughters to feed).  Suffolk is a first tier but put a lot of emphasis into stressing that they don't count you out over your lsats. And New England the same but my 143 was within their accepted range.  So now I will wait and see.  If you're going to apply you should do it asap because the last LSAT exam was Feb. and that will determine the incoming class.  How do you go about getting LSAC to calculate your gpa?  I read about it on some of the other discussions but when I go to Lsac.org nothing pops up.  Good luck! ;)
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: lp4law on March 03, 2003, 07:12:23 AM
In order to take the LSAT you should have registered with LSAC.  You should be able to access your personal LSAC account online at the website you mentioned.  Most, if not all, ABA schools that you apply to require you to send your transcripts to LSAC for their evaluation.  The ABA schools you apply to then want LSAC to directly provide them your undergrad GPA based upon LSAC's evaluation of your transcripts.  This is the GPA used in the GPA/LSAT index for most ABA schools.  In my case, my school had me at 2.79 cum, but LSAC calculated 2.61 cum based upon their independent evaluation of my grades.  I'm just hoping Loyola and Southwestern take a good look at my resume/statement/letters.  If they do, I should be in the ballpark.  Good luck.
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: cokocaramel on March 03, 2003, 07:18:25 AM
I registered already but I don't see anything that says what my gpa is according to them.  What section is it in?  Or did they send you out a letter with that information on it?
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: lp4law on March 03, 2003, 08:37:44 AM
Have you sent your transcripts in to LSAC?  On the main web page, they provide a downloadable "transcript request" form that you fill out and send to each undergrad institution you attended.  These forms direct each institution to send an official transcript to LSAC.  LSAC takes these transcripts and calculates your GPA based upon their specific criteria.  Once LSAC has received all of your transcripts and has calculated your GPA, they send you a form in the mail indicating this GPA, the basis of their calculations, and your LSAT scores (if any).  These GPAs and LSAT scores are not available to be viewed on your online LSAC account. When you apply to most ABA schools, they look at the GPA/LSAT scores provided directly from LSAC.  You pay LSAC $12 to "release" the scores to each of the schools you've applied to.  I've already gotten a couple updates from LSAC indicating my GPAs/scores.  Have you received any such letters?
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: cokocaramel on March 04, 2003, 01:16:50 AM
No that letter hasn't reached me yet but I know it's coming.  I have gotten one update since registering but there was basically nothing on it till recently.  So I'll just keep my fingers crossed until then.  Good luck with school.
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: Pun on March 04, 2003, 03:49:11 AM
Hey guys and gals, I'm worried because I didn't do as well as I expected. Anyhow, here's my stats:

3.63 GPA (Honors Science); 148 LSAT.

bad, I know. Anyhow, I applied to both Canadian and American schools and have yet to hear from anyone. Moslty tier 2 American schools: Santa Clara, Seton Hall, Pittsburgh, Kent, Depaul. I'm sure, I'm screwed. Anyways, good luck to the rest of you.
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: cokocaramel on March 04, 2003, 04:11:33 AM
Pun: Don't count yourself out yet.  I have been reading these discussion boards and so many people tell others to take a year off or give it up.  And honestly they are full of it.  It depends solely on the schools in which you applied for that will determine if you should take a year off and study harder.  I studied for months straight and still boched my test. I have a best friend in law school who has informed me of many people in her class that messed up their LSAT and one of them had to just take it again in June as a condition of her acceptance.  I called my schools and got the range that they were looking for and I am keeping my fingers crossed.  So don't worry no matter what idiot tells you that you should.  Life is going to go on and as far as myself I have wanted to be an attorney since I can remember and there isn't anything going to stop me from that.  I have 3 girls (two of which were born while in undergrad), I managed to maintain a 3.0, work full time, go to school full time at night and walk across that stage.  And there is no way a bad LSAT score is going to take my dream away.  And you shouldn't let it either.  If not this year then next year.  I work for an top attorney who went to law school when he was 30 and we are in a public sector so he has worked himself hard.  Bottom line.......DON'T GIVE UP.
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: lp4law on March 04, 2003, 07:21:44 AM
I take a different approach.  I believe the schools that reject me are arguably as important to my future success as a lawyer as the ones that accept me.  Any school that rejects me is saying, "Hey, based primarily upon your GPA/LSAT score, you're not good enough for us."  I see that as a personal challenge.  Whatever school I attend, I'm going to be extra motivated by the fact some day I get the priveledge of going head to head with graduates from those schools that I wasn't 'qualified' for.  I look forward to those times ;).  Although this sounds a little bitter, and I won't pretend it isn't, it helps ensure the most important aspect of my legal education: my personal motivation to agressively absorb and apply the material that's presented to me in class.  

Although I'm applying to two ABA schools that I've got a reasonable shot at for Fall, I've already started at a local California Bar Accredited school.  My first night of class was last night; and I was pleasantly suprised at the apparent quality of instruction.  All of my instructors are currently practicing attorneys and Judges.  Many non-ABA accredited law schools provide a high-quality legal education at 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of most ABA schools.  After practicing a few years in your state, your reputation will precede everything else, including what school you attended.  Remember that not all great lawyers came from top ABA law schools.  It's entirely up to you what happens as a result of your present circumstances.
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: cokocaramel on March 04, 2003, 07:29:13 AM
Your point is well  taken but I don't really see how that's really any different.  The main thing is if you want it bad enough it will happen.  It may not happen this year  :-[ but eventually it will ;D.  So what are you learning in this class?  It's a bar exam prep course?  
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: cokocaramel on March 04, 2003, 07:32:41 AM
Oh wait I just read this again...You're in a non-aba law school now?  If so that's great, I honestly believe the more info the better.  I worked with an attorney before that graduated from a non-aba school and from what he tells me is that you are basically confided to an area where you can practice.  And if I am not mistaken after a few years you can take the bar to practice in other states as well.   Good for you!!! :D ;)
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: lp4law on March 04, 2003, 09:21:22 AM
Yeah, if you attend a state-accredited law school, you will most likely need to practive 3-5 years in that state before most other states allow you to take their bar exam.  But the truth is most of us will at least initially practice in a specific state anyways.

My Dad went to Southwestern before it became ABA accredited.  He had a successful career in the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office, retiring nicely as a senior Deputy DA.  A number of his classmates ended up in private practice and were very successful.

Don't get me wrong, if I get accepted to one of my ABA schools, I'll probably spend at least the first year there.  I can always transfer those units back into a non-ABA school.  But for me there's a lot to consider: I'm a good 1  to 1.5 hour drive from both ABA schools, have a full-time day job, and participate in another start-up company on the side.  Further, I've crunched the numbers for all my potential options.  Ventura (Non-ABA) will end up costing me about $25k over 4 years, whereas Loyola or Southwestern (both ABA) will be around $90k - $95k over 4 years.  This calculation takes into account additional fuel and wear-and-tear on the vehicle.  That's about $70k difference.  Now, wouldn't you spend the first 3 year of practice in-state if you were given an up-front bonus of $70,000 (after-taxes)?  You know what I'm saying.

Good luck!
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: cokocaramel on March 05, 2003, 12:05:50 AM
Honestly, I never did look at it that way.  You are absolutely right and the long drive will take a toll on your car and yourself.  I couldn't even imagine being motivated enough to drive for that long.  It appears you have put a lot of thought into this and from the sound of it you'll be doing just fine.  I get 5000 from my job a year for law school and if I could find one that was a state school (which I don't believe there are any) I would be going for free.  I am still looking for state school believe me when I tell you.  Good luck and I'm sure you'll going to do absolutely superb. 8) ;) :D  
Title: Re: February Score Results
Post by: Pun on March 05, 2003, 04:35:22 AM
Hey, Cockramel

Thanks for the encouragment. Sorry, if my post sounded some what gloomy or bitter that was not my intention. For me law school has been a difficult decision because I am possibly giving up a carrer in medicine. In fact, I'm not entirley sure which career path is right for me. Last year, I was interested in law b/c I was frusrtated and bored with the biology and other related sciences I was learning. Thus, I wrote my MCAT's did very well but deicded not to go to med school. A professor had mentioned to conduct some research towards patent law and thus I research as much as I could for the past year. I figure, I may need to find out more about intellectual property and the field of law in genral before I commit to such a narrow specilazation. My problem is I'm not sure which path is correct. However, your adivce was nonethless much appreciated. To the entire discussion board, as cliche as this may sound, chase your dreams! You only get one chance at this thing called life so make it worthwhile.