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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: Pioneer48 on April 01, 2005, 10:24:19 AM

Title: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: Pioneer48 on April 01, 2005, 10:24:19 AM
So I'm trying to decide between attending Tulane or the University of Pittsburgh.  I've got $8,000 at Pitt and no money from Tulane, combine that with Pitts in-state tuition and Pitt would be considerably cheaper for me than Tulane.

I'm changing my mind every day about these two schools, so if anyone could give me their two cents as to the advantages/disadvantages of these two schools, that'd be great. 

Thanks.
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: michaelduke on April 01, 2005, 10:45:16 AM
Your career plans? 



So I'm trying to decide between attending Tulane or the University of Pittsburgh.  I've got $8,000 at Pitt and no money from Tulane, combine that with Pitts in-state tuition and Pitt would be considerably cheaper for me than Tulane.

I'm changing my mind every day about these two schools, so if anyone could give me their two cents as to the advantages/disadvantages of these two schools, that'd be great. 

Thanks.
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: heyitcouldbeworse on April 01, 2005, 01:53:06 PM
Your career prospects will be a lot better coming out of Tulane.  Yeah, the debt will be a pain,but if you come out w. a $125k job in NYC, isn't it worth it?  Plus, New Orleans is such a cool place to live, no one wants to live in Pittsburgh...having visited Tulane, the overall sense I got was that they're a school on the way up.  They jumped 14 places in those stupid US News rankings this yr.  The clincs they offer are awesome (students who are good enough have actually ended up arguing before the LA supreme court)the journal oppourtunites are great, facilities kick ass.  It's just a really fun, great place ot go to school. 
   Don't take my word, go to the book store and look up both schools in the "Law School Vault Book" where they have recent alumni talking about their experiences, see what you think.  Come to Tulane.  If we finish in the bottom of the class, hell, I'll have a friend to talk to in debtors prison, but DEFINTELY don't turn down Tulane until you've seen it and researched it on martindale.com 
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: Tpie82 on April 01, 2005, 02:01:42 PM
I can't imagine he has less chance of getting a 125k NYC job out of Pitt.  Pittsburgh may not be as wild and crazy as New Orleans (which isn't much good for law students anyway), but it is certainly not the case that "no one wants to live in Pittsburgh".  I was not impressed by New Orleans, personally.   
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: heyitcouldbeworse on April 01, 2005, 02:14:22 PM
well, different strokes for different folks, but I still maintain that just on name alone, people are going to recognize the "Tulane Law" name way the hell faster than "Pitt Law." I persoanlly find that ew Orleans has a history, has character, and the city itself just reminds me of being in Europe.  Plus I'd rather be wearing shorts in January than freezing my ass off in PA and smelling the fumes from the steel mills.  But, respectfully, to each his own...
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: heyitcouldbeworse on April 01, 2005, 02:24:52 PM
I would also note that the according to the 2005 princeton review bk, The U of Pit grads have an avg starting salary of $71,000 vs. Tulane's $88,000 ....if you go to martindale.com and look for people at top NY firms pitt v. Tulane, Tulane by far wins out.  So, yes, I would inf act say that someone has a better chance of mking $125 k in NYC coming out of Tulane than Pitt.  Of course, if you're not at the top of your class at either, the point is moot anyway, but the chances are better at Tulane.
  Also, how can you not be impressed by a city which advertises that its founding fathers were murderists, rapists, the mentally ill, and tax cheats forced to the New Orleans settlement at gun point from the Bastille prison in Paris? 
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: Tpie82 on April 01, 2005, 03:02:26 PM
Well, the fact that you said anything about "smelling the fumes of the steel mills" sort of discredits you in my mind as an objective participant here.  Anyway, those avg. salaries are actually very similar, cause I am guessing that COL in Pittsburgh is somewhat less than New Orleans (just a hunch since I live in Pittsburgh and have visited that area as well).  If you are from the south, I guess Tulane law might be more recognizeable, but I will tell you from my experience that the same is true for Pitt in most of the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic region.

In the end, both of these schools are mostly regional in reputation, but clearly solid from an academic standpoint.  I would suggest, to the OP, just picking the region where you want to live and going from there.
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: VivaLaMuerte on April 01, 2005, 05:10:30 PM
well, different strokes for different folks, but I still maintain that just on name alone, people are going to recognize the "Tulane Law" name way the hell faster than "Pitt Law." I persoanlly find that ew Orleans has a history, has character, and the city itself just reminds me of being in Europe.  Plus I'd rather be wearing shorts in January than freezing my ass off in PA and smelling the fumes from the steel mills.  But, respectfully, to each his own...

1. Pittsburgh doesn't have steel mills anymore.  Most closed down close to thirty years ago.

2. New Orleans summers are precisely 149X less bearable than Pittsburgh winters.

3. If you want European culture, Pittsburgh has it a lot more than New Orleans.  NOLA has southern culture mixed with party culture.  The history here consists in a city being built on one of the most historically appalling periods.

4. I agree, to each his/her own.  But to most/anyone not particularly concerned with partying hardcore in a roach-filled craphole . . . Pittsburgh.

5. Actually, maintain your preference for NOLA and Tulane and NYC.  It will help those who share the saner view in the end.
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: dal79 on April 01, 2005, 08:42:55 PM


3. If you want European culture, Pittsburgh has it a lot more than New Orleans.  NOLA has southern culture mixed with party culture.  The history here consists in a city being built on one of the most historically appalling periods.


Please, for the love of god dont let this person have offspring...
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: dal79 on April 01, 2005, 08:44:17 PM
3. If you want European culture, Pittsburgh has it a lot more than New Orleans.  NOLA has southern culture mixed with party culture.  The history here consists in a city being built on one of the most historically appalling periods.


Are you huffing paint or something?
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on April 01, 2005, 08:58:55 PM
I really have to agree.  Pitt's a great place.

Actually I applied to Tulane and withdrew my application before I got an answer -- when I got into Pitt.  I'm being totally serious.  I love the city of Pittsburgh and I think the school will get me a job that's just as good.

Plus I don't want to take the chance of having to work in Houston or New Orleans if I don't end up in the top 30% of Tulane's class.
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: Jackson Smith on April 01, 2005, 09:40:21 PM
I've heard New Orleans smells.
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: AndyJay on April 02, 2005, 09:13:01 AM
Pioneer,
If you can filter out the Pittsburgh vs New Orleans city argument from this thread, you might not find much yet. I'd take a look at the student body at each. Is it important that you surround yourself with the highest scoriing students, or is that less important. Certainly, Tulane has a student body scoring strong on their LSATs. I'm not sure how Pitt is, but i'd suspect it has strong stats too. I'm considering Tulane, and I'm a mid-westerner. It is highly-regarded no matter where you decide to live. Have you been on the Tulane Accepted Student's Forum on their web site? I'd suggest checking that out for a better feel of student life.

I'd second the suggestion to check out martindale.com. It's a good way to see how Tulane and Pitt grads do geographically. If you want to be in NYC, martindale can show you the presence of tulane people in nyc. tulane's marketing materials certainly hype their ability to place graduates beyond Louisiana.

You could also request a scholarship from the dean of admissions, susan krinsky, at Tulane. Althoiugh i ws turned down for a scholarship increase, it has been mentioned that they started with a sizable budget for scholarships this year, so you may get lucky if you send an email directly to Susan. That could sweeten the deal for Tulane.
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: VivaLaMuerte on April 02, 2005, 09:17:30 AM
I've heard New Orleans smells.

This is very true.  Moreso than other cities its size or larger, actually.


Are you huffing paint or something?

Not anymore.  I have lived in both cities, though.  New Orleans is a fascinating place to visit.  There are lots of interesting things here.  As far as things concerned with lifestyle, though, there is very little to offer here beyond what I mentioned (drinking, partying).  The culture is for tourists.  Unless you mean the culture of "I ain't doin' shitt."  


3. If you want European culture, Pittsburgh has it a lot more than New Orleans.  NOLA has southern culture mixed with party culture.  The history here consists in a city being built on one of the most historically appalling periods.


Please, for the love of god dont let this person have offspring...

I probably won't.  Have you ever consider backing up comments like this with something substantive, though?  Or do you just like making entirely unfunny jokes. (I would claim that this attempted joke [assuming it wasn't an actual plea, in which case it was just stupid] wasn't funny even were it not directed at me.)

Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: heyitcouldbeworse on April 02, 2005, 09:56:52 AM
"5. Actually, maintain your preference for NOLA and Tulane and NYC.  It will help those who share the saner view in the end"

  I suppose those with saner viewpoints have photos of homosexual men on their profiles coupled with the words "@#!* wendy" ?  Also, what does it mean for a city to have been built "on one of the most histroically appalling time periods"?  Umm...so early colonial america was an appalling time period? 

  But, once again, to each his own.  You Pitt people stay up there, watch Flashdance ("Just a steel-town girl on a Saturday night"), and watch the Penguins lose next season (if there is a season)  and enjoy that charming  European culture of Pittsburgh unbeknownst to the rest of the world...
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: VivaLaMuerte on April 02, 2005, 10:16:18 AM
"5. Actually, maintain your preference for NOLA and Tulane and NYC.  It will help those who share the saner view in the end"

  I suppose those with saner viewpoints have photos of homosexual men on their profiles coupled with the words "#@!* wendy" ? 

 :) I don't dispute it, but I have no reason to believe or care whether the adorable Austin Scarlett is gay.


"5. Actually, maintain your preference for NOLA and Tulane and NYC. It will help those who share the saner view in the end"

 Also, what does it mean for a city to have been built "on one of the most histroically appalling time periods"? Umm...so early colonial america was an appalling time period?


Hmm, how should I put this?  Well, let's just say the white people weren't very nice to the native americans in clearing their path to be not very nice to the african americans.  Does that story ring any bells?

But, once again, to each his own. You Pitt people stay up there, watch Flashdance ("Just a steel-town girl on a Saturday night"), and watch the Penguins lose next season (if there is a season) and enjoy that charming European culture of Pittsburgh unbeknownst to the rest of the world...

Once I return, I will likely stay.  In case you weren't aware, the diverse European culture is one of Pittsburgh's most notable traits.  So, your use of "unbeknownst" is false, unless by "rest of the world" you meant "me, and other dudes like me."
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: VivaLaMuerte on April 02, 2005, 10:18:33 AM
Since I've been so pissy, harsh and argumentative here, I should offer a concession: Many people love New Orleans and would live nowhere else.  It is, undoubtedly, a fairly interesting place to visit.  Some people don't want to leave.  I very strongly disagree with those people, but I don't claim some authority on city-appreciation.  I just like to defend a great city that so few people seem to know about, especially in contrast to a city that I really can't stand.
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: VivaLaMuerte on April 02, 2005, 10:50:30 AM
Oh, another nice thing to say about Tulane: I have never been anywhere in my life where I saw more beautiful females.  If you spit, there is a 76% chance you will hit a beautiful female.  But why would you ever do that?
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: Harrahs on April 02, 2005, 11:11:00 AM
cool apartments.  new orleans has cool apartments.  despite the roach problem, there is little denying this.

i actually didn't start to really appreciate the city until after i graduated.  there are aspects i do not like about the city, but i do enjoy living here for a number of reasons.  uptown new orleans is beautiful, and i enjoy just driving around in my car, up and down st. charles, going to work and out to study in a coffee shop at night.  personally, although it certainly can be a fun place to visit, it is also a nice place to live.  everything is close to everything, it has a laid back atmosphere, and, if you do a bit of research, you can find a very nice apartment with high ceilings and wood floors in a nice, tree-filled section of town.  i rarely go out at night to party, but because of the reasons i outlined above, i think it is a nice place to study and do work. 

i have experienced the city both as a student at tulane and as a teacher in the public schools.  the truth is that a large percentage of the population here is living in a tough enviornment, one that is not necessarily recognizable as a student at tulane.  that being said, new orleans is a great city of the african diaspora, and second lines, mardi gras (zulu), and funerals are only some of the aspects of the rich culture that the majority of our population, comprised of african americans, offers.  the french quarter, although i rarely venture there, is cool to check out every once in a while. 

i would come and check it out for yourself.  i would do the same with pittsburg, which i am sure is a nice city as well.

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Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: RobinHood on April 02, 2005, 12:03:12 PM
New Orleans is a rich, vibrant, unwieldy  place where there isn't much room for those who want to sip herbal teas and listen to Michael Bolton in a quiet room...
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on April 02, 2005, 12:05:57 PM
Every time somebody brings up Michael Bolton I think about Office Space.  Hilarious.
Title: Re: Tulane Vs. Pittsburgh
Post by: RobinHood on April 02, 2005, 12:08:26 PM
Me too--There may be no more preposterous rock star in recent memory, save Meatloaf