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Title: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: xferlawstudent on March 04, 2008, 03:12:48 PM
I am a 3L at a 40s T1 school.  I started at a T4, top 15%, transferred.  Now outside top 1/3 of class, but 2 book awards (my grades have been all over). No moot court, no law review or journal.  I'd say I have above average work experience (I've won actual hearings under law student practice rules).

Anyway, through a really solid, very well connected family friend, I have an interview with a Vault 100 firm.  I realize that they are meeting with me as a favor to him and that it might be a jerk off meeting, but is there any way I can convince them that I can do the job.

Anyone else get an offer this way?  Advice welcome.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: mike4488 on March 04, 2008, 03:25:12 PM
First, you have the same shot as anybody else.  Law firms don't really do jerk off interviews.  the amount of money it costs them to interview people is easily in excess of 5,000 for an interview in their office.  If they weren't considering you they wouldn't waste their time or money.  Confidence is key.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: xferlawstudent on March 04, 2008, 03:26:54 PM
What?  How could this possibly cost $5,000?
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: plex on March 04, 2008, 05:04:56 PM
They can't bill time interviewing. And they usually have multiple partners meet you over the course of multiple hours. There is also often an expensive lunch that the firm pays for. Multiple hours of partner time is worth a lot of billable $.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: 1LMan on March 04, 2008, 05:07:52 PM
Yeah, but $5k is absurd lol.  Each partner spends about 20 minutes of their day with you, 40 tops lol.  Then lunch is usually with associates.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: plex on March 04, 2008, 05:09:23 PM
Depends on the firm, I've had a 5 hour interview before and also a lunch that involved 4 partners. On the other hand, I've had a 20-minute interview that only involved the hiring partner and a few associates (smaller firm though). I would expect a v-100 firm to be closer to the former situation than the latter.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: jacy85 on March 04, 2008, 05:13:01 PM
Yeah, but $5k is absurd lol.  Each partner spends about 20 minutes of their day with you, 40 tops lol.  Then lunch is usually with associates.

My post-call back lunches were always with one partner and one associate, and lunch was usually at least an hour, often longer w/ travel time.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: plex on March 04, 2008, 05:15:32 PM
Ah yes, they also pay for travel expenses.

Anyways, point is, take it seriously.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: 1LMan on March 04, 2008, 05:30:07 PM
Jacy, lunch with partner or not, $5k is not what an interview day costs in billables.  That is just absurd.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: jacy85 on March 04, 2008, 05:36:15 PM
2LMan, I never said it was $5k - I only said that I've never had a callback lunch with just associates.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: mike4488 on March 04, 2008, 06:06:03 PM
5K is pretty reasonable.  Thank about it.

I'm new to the game but here is how much I estimated it will cost the firm that I am interviewing at through a connection.  I had these same thoughts until somebody told me how much they invest in these things.

Hotel Room = 780 for a night (Price on my reservation)
Plane Ticket 620 (Price on my reservation)
Travel Total = 1400

Lunch with firm = 400 (eating with 4 associates and I know the restaurant that the firm usually takes their interviewees to eat at and it is about 80 bucks a person

Meeting with attorneys (Already know who I am interviewing with so these calculations can be somewhat accurate)

6 Partners for 30 minutes each = 2250 (My dad has worked with three of these people before and therefore knows that their hourly rates are 700, 750, and 900.  Lets just say that their hourly rate is 750 for easy math.)

3 Associates for 30 minutes each = 750 (say 250 an hour)

That right there comes out to be $4800 and doesn't include any costs they occur when I am not there.  When a firm invites you for an interview from 9:00 am until 4:00 p.m it is going to cost them a bundle and they are taking you seriously.  The reason I did this calculation is that I just though the firm was being nice until I was pointed to how much money and time they would be wasting just to be nice.  Take it seriously because they probably are not simply being friendly.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: T2Loser on March 15, 2008, 11:06:43 AM
You are using a very flimsy definition of "costs." It's not that the associate or partner that is interviewing you bills 1 less hour and it "costs" the firm $400. More likely, they just end up having to stay an hour later that night to finish up their work. It's not as if memos go unwritten.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: smujd2007 on March 20, 2008, 04:35:48 PM
If your interview is not over, you need to think positive and focus on your assets.  Sounds like your work history is one of them.  Don't waste your time whining about not being in the top third of your class.  The way you make it sound, you are probably in the top half.  That being said, you do have a shot. Lots of firms hire from the top 1/2 after 1L OCI.   

Firms do waste money on screening interviews, a lot of times just to be like==I interviewed such and such number of people for this job. So, I wouldn't exactly agree with the notion that firms only interview people they are "serious" about.  If its an interview at the firm, with lunch--they are thinking seriously about you.  If its just an interview and they don't tell you what type (or won't tell you what type), then more likely than not, its a screening interview.  Always try to find out what type of interview you are doing--that's a hint as to how you should prepare.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: xferlawstudent on March 20, 2008, 05:17:20 PM
I had the interview the other day.  I tried to focus on my experience rather than on pedigree and class rank.  I think it worked, we hit it off, and I have a callback to meet with this guy's superior next week.  I think it went pretty well.  Thanks for all the advice.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: 1LMan on March 20, 2008, 08:12:34 PM
I had the interview the other day.  I tried to focus on my experience rather than on pedigree and class rank.  I think it worked, we hit it off, and I have a callback to meet with this guy's superior next week.  I think it went pretty well.  Thanks for all the advice.

You have a call back with "this guy's superior?"  Are you sure this is a Valut 100 firm?
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: LawstCause on March 24, 2008, 01:14:30 PM
$780 for a Night! What they have never heard of Hotwire.com?  So, how was your suite at the Waldorf-Astoria?
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: mike4488 on March 24, 2008, 01:59:49 PM
Pretty nice.  Interview went really well I thought. They told me I should hear back late this week at the interview so I am anxiously awaiting their decision.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: mike4488 on March 27, 2008, 09:11:59 PM
Well just got my offer today.  It's for the Summer 2009.  Pretty excited though.  Have a V100 gig lined up for next summer (which I don't have to accept until like December or something) will make this summer a whole lot more relaxing.  Thanks for all of the advice and help that you guys gave.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: 1LMan on March 28, 2008, 05:41:41 AM
Dude, law firms don't make offers a year in advance......  I call flame.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: mike4488 on March 28, 2008, 09:02:56 AM
Well 2Lman you can call flame all you want.  You don't know everything there is to know how law firms do things.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: 1LMan on March 28, 2008, 09:37:43 AM
There are NALP guidelines for a reason and no V100 firm is going to make you an offer a year in advance.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: mike4488 on March 28, 2008, 09:47:11 AM
Alrighty, I'll call them up and let them know that no V100 firm is going to do what they did because 2L man says that is not the way law firms operate.
Title: Re: Out of my League interview...how to handle
Post by: 1LMan on March 28, 2008, 09:49:49 AM
Read the nalp guidelines.  Keep making up stories dipshit.