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Title: OCI callback
Post by: bom on February 16, 2008, 12:04:46 PM
i had a callback interview from OCI, and i feel pretty good about it overall. i was just wondering what people thought my odds were...typically.
is it more a 'u have the job unless u screw up' kind of thing, or should i be feeling like i have to have outperformed others at a callback to get an offer...?
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Dr. Balsenschaft on February 16, 2008, 12:10:50 PM
Who knows? There's no way of making a determination approaching anything resembling accuracy at this point unless you showed up drunk or in one of those tuxedo shirts.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: 1LMan on February 16, 2008, 12:22:56 PM
According to NALP - call back to offer ratio is about 2/3 (66%).  However, I believe those numbers are based on 2L call backs and I don't think the rules apply as much for 1L's.

Sometimes, firms will simply use 1L call backs as a way to pre-screen possible 2L recruits so its really a crap shoot.  Nonetheless, your chances are significantly higher at the call back phase than at the screening phase.

Good luck.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: bom on February 16, 2008, 12:30:30 PM
well they specifically mentioned they were trying to hire 5 1Ls, so i dont think its simply a screening feel.
im just concerned with how casual the whole thing seemed...i only spoke to one partner for about 10 minutes, and about 40 minutes each with two associates...is this unusual?
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: 1LMan on February 16, 2008, 02:44:37 PM
well they specifically mentioned they were trying to hire 5 1Ls, so i dont think its simply a screening feel.
im just concerned with how casual the whole thing seemed...i only spoke to one partner for about 10 minutes, and about 40 minutes each with two associates...is this unusual?

Is this a smaller firm?

Usually it is pretty rushed and informal, but it's usually like 4-5 partner interviews followed by lunch with 2-4 associates.

However, if it is a smaller firm, then anything goes.  Also, is it for a clerk position or a summer associate gig?
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: bom on February 16, 2008, 02:51:30 PM
its a relatively big firm...150 in nyc (the office im applying to), over a thousand worldwide.
this is for a summer associate position.
a partner did 20 minute interviews with like 25 people on my campus, and i got invited to a callback...there, they said they were hiring five 1L summer associates, and i met with two associates for a while, and one partner briefly (not even in the partner's office, he just came into one of the associate's offices and the two of them talked to me for like 10 minutes)
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: ronaldo699 on February 16, 2008, 03:30:07 PM
According to NALP - call back to offer ratio is about 2/3 (66%).  However, I believe those numbers are based on 2L call backs and I don't think the rules apply as much for 1L's.

Sometimes, firms will simply use 1L call backs as a way to pre-screen possible 2L recruits so its really a crap shoot.  Nonetheless, your chances are significantly higher at the call back phase than at the screening phase.

Good luck.

hard to believe that ratio is true, least for the t2s..
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: 1LMan on February 16, 2008, 08:46:35 PM
Look it up on NALP's website.  It's reported info.  There stats held pretty true for my OCI experience as well as many I know.  The screening phase is where most of the cuts are made.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Peaches on February 17, 2008, 06:57:37 AM
Of course, those are only NALP firms reporting info for 2Ls.  A lot of people do callbacks with non-NALP firms, and for 1Ls there's no telling what a firm's strategy is.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: 1LMan on February 17, 2008, 07:36:51 AM
Of course, those are only NALP firms reporting info for 2Ls.  A lot of people do callbacks with non-NALP firms, and for 1Ls there's no telling what a firm's strategy is.

Well, NALP is biglaw and that's what I was assuming.  Obviously it's different for smaller firms, but most firms that have actual summer associate programs = biglaw and therefore are NALP listed.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Peaches on February 17, 2008, 07:41:40 AM
A whole lot of firms in the 30 - 100+ lawyer range do OCI and have summer programs that are not on NALP and do not report to NALP.  No telling what their strategy is.  OP didn't ask about biglaw.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: 1LMan on February 17, 2008, 08:34:04 AM
In general I think that the 2/3 rule applies, but you can argue with me just for the sake of arguing.  The study is pretty well done and it covers the majority of larger law firms.

Also, the OP didn't specify whether he had a Biglaw callback or not.  Why is it that you folks that go to lower ranked schools love to argue just for the sake of arguing on here?  I just pointed out NALP as a step in the right direction for what the OP appeared to be looking for. 

Sorry you have "very very good grades" and didn't end up in Biglaw.  That's life at a lower ranked school, get over it.

Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Dr. Balsenschaft on February 17, 2008, 08:50:17 AM
You guys have some serious reading comprehension problems. The OP specifically did ask about biglaw. Go back and read his third post (150 in NYC and over 1,000 worldwide).
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: bom on February 17, 2008, 08:52:30 AM
it is biglaw...i already explained, 150 lawyers in the office, and like 1200-1500 worldwide...how is that not biglaw?
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Peaches on February 17, 2008, 09:30:04 AM
Sorry, OP doesn't ask about biglaw until the sixth post on the thread, so my "OP didn't ask about biglaw" was misguided.

But I was mainly responding to this statement:
"but most firms that have actual summer associate programs = biglaw and therefore are NALP listed."
...which is just not true.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Peaches on February 17, 2008, 09:34:21 AM
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Also, the OP didn't specify whether he had a Biglaw callback or not.  Why is it that you folks that go to lower ranked schools love to argue just for the sake of arguing on here?  I just pointed out NALP as a step in the right direction for what the OP appeared to be looking for.

Sorry you have "very very good grades" and didn't end up in Biglaw.  That's life at a lower ranked school, get over it.

Also, 2Lman... who is this comment directed at?
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: 1LMan on February 17, 2008, 10:53:29 AM
I was just ruffling your feathers.  Your previous posts indicate you likely don't attend a top law school and you appear to have a chip on your shoulder.  Have a good one.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Peaches on February 17, 2008, 11:00:25 AM
FYI, I go to a "top" law school by any measure... Put it this way -- I've got absolutely no complaints with my situation right now. :)
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: 1LMan on February 17, 2008, 11:08:52 AM
Where do you go?  Or rather, what bracket? 

You are my hero, you really are.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Peaches on February 17, 2008, 11:12:22 AM
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FYI, I go to a "top" law school by any measure...
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: 1LMan on February 17, 2008, 11:29:02 AM
Yeah, I can read.... Cite your school.  It's not like someone will out you at a university with hundreds of students.

Again, you are my hero, you really are......
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Peaches on February 17, 2008, 11:33:14 AM
What a big man you are!  You're at a T25 and "a seemingly average student" (your words, not mine).

I'm not going to out myself on a public discussion board.  But I have very good grades at a school ranked substantially higher than yours.  Good enough?  You only look like a d-bag by scoffing at me for going to a low-ranked school in 3 posts.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: 1LMan on February 17, 2008, 11:50:56 AM
What a big man you are!  You're at a T25 and "a seemingly average student" (your words, not mine).

I'm not going to out myself on a public discussion board.  But I have very good grades at a school ranked substantially higher than yours.  Good enough?  You only look like a d-bag by scoffing at me for going to a low-ranked school in 3 posts.

I have no problem with being average in a T25 school.  I'll be making market rate just like you this summer.  Get over yourself.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Dr. Balsenschaft on February 17, 2008, 12:18:58 PM
Lamest discussion board argument ever. But keep it up, I'm bored.
Title: Re: OCI callback
Post by: Peaches on February 17, 2008, 12:22:32 PM
But... but... he started it!

:)
Anyway, agreed.  Very lame and unrelated to the OP.  The "get over yourself" comment is really rich, considering his earlier posts on the thread.