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Title: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: 221 on December 19, 2007, 09:28:35 AM
Obama has chipped away at Clinton's lead in New Hampshire, and the two Democratic presidential hopefuls are now locked in a statistical tie less than one month before the first-in-the-nation primary. Clinton has dropped 5% points, while Obama has gained 8% points, according to the poll conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center. Clinton is now at 31% to Obama's 30%.

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In the Republican contest, the new poll also reveals that despite Mike Huckabee's meteoric rise in some Iowa and national surveys, he has yet to catch fire in New Hampshire. Huckabee remains in single digits at 9%, up 4% points from November. But he still trails Mitt Romney by 23% points. Romney remains in the lead with 32% of the vote, followed by Rudy Giuliani and John McCain who are tied with 19%. Despite Romney's double-digit edge over his nearest competitors, and the seemingly two-way battle between Clinton and Obama on the Democratic side, the Granite State contests are far from over.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: thorc954 on December 19, 2007, 10:07:33 AM
does this have anything to do with the law and does anyone actually care about anything involving Obama or Hillary?
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: ariel on December 19, 2007, 10:15:55 AM
Both Clinton and Obama were lawyers.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: ariel on December 19, 2007, 10:23:28 AM
Anyway, I wanted to say Hillary played it real cool when she fired her top adviser ;)

WASHINGTON (CNN)
December 13, 2007

One of Sen. Hillary Clinton's top advisers is stepping down after saying Sen. Barack Obama's admission of past drug use would hurt his chances in a general election matchup. Sen. Barack Obama says he doesn't think his admission of past drug use will hurt his presidential campaign.

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Sen. Barack Obama says he doesn't think his admission of past drug use will hurt his presidential campaign.

"I would like to reiterate that I deeply regret my comments yesterday and say again that they were in no way authorized by Sen. Clinton or the Clinton campaign," Bill Shaheen, co-chairman of the Clinton campaign in New Hampshire, said in a statement announcing his decision. Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign. "[Obama] said it's important for campaigns to send a signal from the top. If they say that negative campaigning is fun, they're sending a signal. Or that can say this kind of thing isn't tolerated," Axelrod said. Obama earlier brushed aside the adviser's remarks, saying they were probably the result of the latest poll numbers, which show the two candidates tied in the first primary state, New Hampshire. "I just think people are feeling a little worried about the polls," the Illinois senator said Thursday.

Shaheen told a Washington Post reporter Wednesday that Republicans would exploit Obama's admission of past drug use should he win the Democratic Party's presidential nomination and might even suggest Obama once dealt drugs. "The Republicans are not going to give up without a fight... and one of the things they're certainly going to jump on is his drug use," Shaheen said. "It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?' There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome." Shaheen, husband of former New Hampshire Gov. Jeanne Shaheen, apologized for his comments and said in a statement late Wednesday "they were not authorized by the campaign in any way."

Obama said he did not think it was Shaheen's intent to plant such a rumor. The candidate said he is not worried what Shaheen said may damage his campaign "since it's not true. I don't think the American people are concerned about what I did when I was a teenager. They're concerned about what I'm going to do as a presidential candidate," he said. Clinton on Thursday said she did not approve of Shaheen's comments. "I don't in any way condone that, and it was certainly not authorized or approved at all. It was inappropriate, and he's apologized," the senator from New York said. Obama spokesman David Plouffe called the remarks desperate, saying the "campaign is recycling old news that Barack Obama has been candid about in a book he wrote years ago, and he's talked about the lessons he's learned from these mistakes with young people all across the country."

Obama wrote in his 1995 book "Dreams of My Father" that he was once headed in the direction of a "junkie" and a "pothead." Referring to his emotional struggles as a young man, Obama wrote, "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though." Obama has not shied away from bringing up his past use of drugs while on the campaign trail. He spoke candidly about his past experimentation at an event in New Hampshire last month, acknowledging that he did inhale and that "it's not something I'm proud of." And in a statement that proved popular with the crowd, Obama said he never understood then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton's contention in 1992 that he did not inhale marijuana. "I never understood that line," he said. "The point was to inhale. That was the point."

The latest back-and-forth between the two Democratic campaigns on the issue of Obama's electability came as a new CNN/WMUR poll showed the two candidates statistically in a dead heat in New Hampshire. Clinton stands at 31%, with Obama 1% point behind, well within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 5% points
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: thorc954 on December 19, 2007, 11:19:04 AM
Both Clinton and Obama were lawyers.

good enough then, lol :)
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: wardwilliams on December 19, 2007, 01:19:33 PM
Of course Guliani is a lawyer as well. Must've been a pretty good one too: he was US Attorney for SDNY. Jim Kramer (Mad Money) on Meet the Press said office of US Atty in SDNY is the hardest job in the world to get. What does he know? Probably not much but he did graduate at top of his class from Harvard Law and was rejected by Guliani


Both Clinton and Obama were lawyers.

good enough then, lol :)
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: l o c u s on December 19, 2007, 04:07:09 PM
Both Clinton and Obama were lawyers.

good enough then, lol :)


And so am I! ;)
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: murphy on December 21, 2007, 12:04:11 PM
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Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: 39729 on January 08, 2008, 01:16:54 PM
Quote
IT'S A DRAW!!!

Not For Too Long Buy Now!!!
Title: Daisy Bell
Post by: Mamma H on January 09, 2008, 10:52:18 AM
This whole thing became like the following:

Daisy Daisy,
Give me your answer do!
I'm half crazy,
All for the love of you!
It won't be a stylish marriage,
I can't afford a carriage,
But you'll look sweet on the seat
Of a bicycle built for two!

;)
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: hackabee on January 09, 2008, 11:42:00 AM
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Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: dot on January 15, 2008, 02:26:45 PM
Both Clinton and Obama were lawyers.

good enough then, lol :)


And so am I! ;)


You mean you too are good enough, or you too are a lawyer?
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: basha on January 15, 2008, 02:53:17 PM
Quote
IT'S A DRAW!!!

Not For Too Long Buy Now!!!


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Indeed, by now the next two contests in the state-by-state nomination battle in the Democratic race are the Nevada caucuses on Saturday and the South Carolina primary a week later. South Carolina will be a major test of the Democratic candidate's abilities to win the support of African-American voters, who make up nearly half the primary electorate in that state. Some African-American leaders have complained about comments Hillary Clinton made to Fox news last week about the legacy of the late civil rights leader, Martin Luther King, Junior.

"Doctor King's dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964," she said. Some black political leaders felt the comment diminished Dr. King's role in the U.S. struggle for civil rights. Senator Clinton accused the Obama campaign of trying to insert racial politics into the contest for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. Clinton was interviewed on NBC's Meet the Press. "Clearly, we know from media reports that the Obama campaign is deliberately distorting this," said Clinton. "I do not think either of us want to inject race or gender in this campaign."

South Carolina is looming as a major contest in the Democratic race between Clinton and Obama, a battle many experts believe will go on for some time. "They both have plenty of resources. They both have plenty of endorsements," said Stuart Rothenberg, who publishes a political newsletter in Washington. "Each has a base [of support], a committed base. They each have slightly different messages, both of which appeal to the broad spectrum of the Democratic electorate. This Democratic race is really competitive and is up for grabs."

Senator Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have often drawn strong support in their political campaigns from African-American voters. While Obama seeks an edge with African-American voters, Clinton continues to shore up her support among women. Rutgers University Professor Ross Baker says Clinton's surprise win in last week's New Hampshire primary was largely a result of a last-minute shift in support for Clinton by women voters. "I think that she carries considerable advantages with her into the remaining primaries. She has lots of money and she obviously has gotten the support of women even more strongly, I think, than anybody had imagined," said Baker.

Clinton is seeking to become the first woman president, while Obama hopes to become the first African-American president. One new national poll shows Obama gaining on Clinton among Democrats, following his win in the Iowa caucuses and close second-place finish to Clinton in the New Hampshire primary. The Washington Post-ABC News poll has Clinton at 42%, followed by Obama at 37% and Edwards at 11%. Obama's share is up 14% since the same poll last month. A second poll by New York Times and CBS News showed Clinton with 42%, Obama with 27% and Edwards 11%.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: a l i n d on January 17, 2008, 02:55:36 PM

Both Clinton and Obama were lawyers.


Pithy enough, Ariel! :)
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: L i n d a on January 18, 2008, 03:07:18 PM

Both Clinton and Obama were lawyers.


Pithy enough, Ariel! :)


;)
Title: Re: Daisy Bell
Post by: hismet on January 24, 2008, 12:25:19 PM
This whole thing became like the following:

Daisy Daisy,
Give me your answer do!
I'm half crazy,
All for the love of you!
It won't be a stylish marriage,
I can't afford a carriage,
But you'll look sweet on the seat
Of a bicycle built for two!

;)


That'd be the case had Mr. Obama won!
Title: Re: Daisy Bell
Post by: episio on January 31, 2008, 02:39:31 PM
This whole thing became like the following:

Daisy Daisy,
Give me your answer do!
I'm half crazy,
All for the love of you!
It won't be a stylish marriage,
I can't afford a carriage,
But you'll look sweet on the seat
Of a bicycle built for two!

;)


That'd be the case had Mr. Obama won!


Did he not?
Title: Why Super Tuesday won't make prediction for president any easier
Post by: resume on February 01, 2008, 01:11:46 PM
Ordinarily, the sheer volume of delegates in play on Super Tuesday is enough to push a candidate over the top, making the remaining primaries pretty meaningless. But this is no ordinary year. An accelerated primary schedule, complex new delegate rules (which confusingly vary between the parties and from state to state), combined with extremely tight two-way races in both parties, are giving odds-makers and pundits fits. This isn't like Sunday's Super Bowl, where one team wins all the spoils.

The process is particularly challenging for the candidates, who must now shift from a series of inconclusive one-off contests in half a dozen states to full-blown - and costly - national campaigns. What worked for a candidate in Iowa or Nevada may have little relevance in New York or California, two of the big states in play next week. Many of the leading candidates announced major national TV ad blitzes this week. Republican Mitt Romney said he expects to spend as much as $7-million (U.S.) before Tuesday. And Clinton is running 3 new ads that tout her as the safe choice for the Democrats in unsettling economic times. Her rival, Obama, is advertising in all Feb. 5 states except Oklahoma and his home state of Illinois. He also announced yesterday that he will start advertising in states that hold primaries after Feb. 5, including Louisiana, Washington, Nebraska, Maine, Maryland, Virginia and also in Washington, D.C.

The race for the Republican nomination is much closer to the finish line, particularly with former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani out of the hunt. And it could be all but over next week, perhaps leaving the crown to Arizona Senator John McCain, who polls suggest is ahead of Mr. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, in most states. All the money in the world can't save Mr. Romney now, argued Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia. "I think he knows what's coming," he said. "We'll see what he actually spends." The race is far from done on the Democratic side, where Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama continue to battle for delegates in virtually every state. During a debate last night at the Kodak Theatre in Los Angeles, home of the Academy Awards, the two candidates agreed on one thing: One of them will become president in 2009.

Ms. Clinton drew laughter from the crowd when asked about the decades-long Bush-Clinton family control of the White House. "It did take a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush and I think it might take another one to clean up after the second Bush," she said. Befitting a Hollywood audience, among the stars in the crowd were Diane Keaton, Jason Alexander, Pierce Brosnan, Rob Reiner and Stevie Wonder. "The prospect that we come out of the week with a de facto nominee on the Democratic side is very slim," said Stephen Hess, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who has been watching U.S. elections for more than 50 years. Even the two Democratic camps acknowledge Super Tuesday likely won't be the end of the road. "My guess is one of us will be ahead, but not decisively, and one of us will be behind, but not decisively," David Axelrod, a senior adviser to Mr. Obama, told The New York Times this week. "And this will go on for some time." So, even if Mr. Obama is behind in Ms. Clinton's home state of New York or in California, he'll target districts where he knows he can score some delegates, according to Mr. Sabato. Likewise, Ms. Clinton can't afford to give entirely up on Mr. Obama's home state of Illinois. You can blame the intricacies of a primary voting system that's controlled by the parties, and more specifically, by the party organizations within states. Generally speaking, the Democrats apportion their delegates proportionately. That means that if Ms. Clinton wins 63% of the vote in a state, she gets the same percentage of delegates. But in some states (including California), the apportioning is done district by district, not state-wide. So theoretically, Ms. Clinton could win the California popular vote on Tuesday but emerge with fewer delegates. Then, factor in the impact of so-called super delegates (members of Congress, state governors and the like), and the potential outcomes are varied and unpredictable. Super delegates may be publicly committed to a candidate. But they aren't obliged to stay committed.

They're just dating, not yet married.

This isn't just theoretical nonsense. The party had a preview in the Nevada caucuses, where Ms. Clinton won the popular vote, but Mr. Obama wound up with one more delegate (13 to 12). That means that Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton can't afford to abandon any state, even if they're behind in the polls somewhere. The ground war, as much as the air war, could determine who wins on the Democratic side, according to the Brookings Institution's Mr. Hess. He said the winner could be the one who's best at old-style campaigning. The Republicans have a very different system in most, but not all states. In their contests, it's generally winner take all, as it was in Florida. Mr. McCain captured the state, so he captured all the delegates. That's why Super Tuesday is likely make or break for Mr. McCain and Mr. Romney. And the candidate with the clear edge is Mr. McCain, who this week picked up endorsements that could help him in the two states with the most delegates - New York (Mr. Giuliani) and California (Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger).

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080201.wprimarystrategy01/BNStory/usElection2008/home
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: al so on February 05, 2008, 10:39:06 AM
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Noting that former President Bill Clinton is often called the "first black president," Obama was asked if he shared that opinion.

First, said Obama, he would have to investigate Bill Clinton's "dance abilities" to more accurately judge "if he is a brother." Clinton said that could be arranged.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: A T P on February 08, 2008, 03:04:16 PM

I'm sorry but I've a feeling the "diversity" strategy of the Dems this year is going to backfire with McCain easily getting the presidency..


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Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: s/c on February 09, 2008, 11:45:31 AM

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Look at him -- a total fag!
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: Bence J. on February 09, 2008, 01:22:18 PM

I'm sorry but I've a feeling the "diversity" strategy of the Dems this year is going to backfire with McCain easily getting the presidency..


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Wow, ATP!!
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: Stella_P on February 10, 2008, 09:10:05 AM

I'm sorry but I've a feeling the "diversity" strategy of the Dems this year is going to backfire with McCain easily getting the presidency..


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He's too @ # ! * i n g old!
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: phoenix on February 10, 2008, 09:46:13 AM
Back in the old days, defendants in famous trials got numbers -- the Chicago Eight, the Gang of Four, the Dave Clark Five, the Daytona 500. McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips. Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.) Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.

McCain has a reputation as a politician who has difficulty keeping his pants zipped, according to Republican sources. He acknowledges that his adultery broke up his first marriage. His second wife Cindy, the daughter of a wealthy Budweiser beer distributor, was addicted to prescription narcotics and even stole hard drugs from a medical charity that she ran. McCain acknowledges that she didn't want him to run, and only agreed once he promised that she doesn't have to go to New Hampshire or Iowa.
Title: MARYLAND & VIRGINIA :: FEB 12 CONTESTS
Post by: Hera on February 10, 2008, 11:33:25 AM
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238 delegates in Maryland, Virginia and the District will be at stake. Because of high concentrations of African American and well-educated voters, many political strategists say Obama could have an early advantage in all 3 states, but Clinton strategists say the New York Democrat will campaign hard across the region. Clinton strategists are especially optimistic about their chances in Virginia, where her campaign dispatched several operatives experienced in state elections. In Virginia, Clinton's steering committee includes advocates from every region of the state, including former attorney general Mary Sue Terry and Dels. Adam P. Ebbin and Albert C. Eisenberg, who represent parts of Arlington County.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: papaver somniferum on February 10, 2008, 01:30:55 PM
At this point the longer that Clinton and Obama go at it, the more it will cost them. The more divided the party, the more likely it is to lose in November. Three divided Democratic conventions in recent decades -- 1968, 1972 and 1980 -- and Democrats lost each time.
Title: McCain female dog
Post by: h u m a n t e a u on February 11, 2008, 01:57:08 PM
It's been a banner time for sexism on the presidential hustings. Some time ago, we had the John McCain supporter in South Carolina asking her hero, "How do we beat the female dog?" in reference to Senator Hillary Clinton. Senator McCain laughed, showing his good-natured appreciation for comparing women to animals. He might also be amused to know that chicks, foxes, dogs and pigs are in the same lexicon, the one aimed at keeping women down by dehumanizing them.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/11/full_video_mccain_says_supporters_bitch_query_about_hillary_is_an_excellent_question.php

More recently, we learned that Governor Mike Huckabee subscribes to the Southern Baptist Convention's position that women should "submit graciously" to their husbands. MSNBC talk show host Tucker Carlson found the utility of this idea worth some elbow-in-the-rib joking. Putting all those manly yucks aside, pundits might have noted that gracious submission is the flip-side of female dog-dom (see McCain above.) For women, there's just no in between, which brings us to Senator Fred Thompson.

When Thompson, along with the other candidates, was asked about his favorite possession, his answer to the Associated Press was his "trophy wife" Jeri. Senator John McCain prized his baseball signed by Ted Williams. For Rudy Guiliani, the answer was his grandfather's pocket watch. But Thompson possessed the notably young and attractive Jeri-prize. If women are turned into objects no one has to worry about them being bitches or submitting with insufficient grace to their husbands -- or, for that matter, becoming president.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: thorc954 on February 11, 2008, 02:10:51 PM
but, hillary is a female dog regardless of sexism.  she is just plain evil.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: sohn on February 12, 2008, 09:19:52 AM

[...] she is just plain evil.


You think you can become President bearing no resemblance at all to someone who's "just plain evil"?
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: thorc954 on February 12, 2008, 01:53:21 PM

You think you can become President bearing no resemblance at all to someone who's "just plain evil"?
[/quote]


yes, i think Bush became president both times without resembling someone evil and the same for Bill.  I also dont think Obama looks remotely evil.  Yet, hillary reminds me so much of hitler. 
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: jeffislouie on February 12, 2008, 02:16:08 PM
Personally, I find it funny that the libs like to say that Shrillary isn't winning because of sexism (yeah, it's b/c she's a woman, not because she's a psychotic lunatic who is out of her mind, evil, and everyone who has worked for her thinks she is a horrible person).
I also think it is funny that people say that Barrack can't win because of racism (yeah, it's cause he's black, not because he's inexperienced, idealistic to the point of being removed from reality, and completely unprepared to run this country).
But what is staggeringly stupid and hypocritical is that the very same people trying to make excuses for liberal shortcomings attack McCain because he's old.
That is called "ageism" and is a well recognized sterotypical form of discrimination.
He's not "too old".
He scares the die-hard liberals because they know that moderate democrats (who make up the majority of the democrat base) will likely vote for him and against Howard Dean's hardcore liberalism and the moderate republicans (who make up the majority of the republican base) will likely vote for him because they recognize the alternative is weakened national security, financial destruction of american wealth, and the further erosion of the principles that make this nation great.
Neither democrat will win.
That's my position.
Howard Dean and the MSM will spend the upcoming months trying to convince you, the general public, that the democratic candidate will win, just like they did with Kerry and Gore.
They were wrong then and they are very wrong now.
It doesn't matter which candidate the left chooses, both have large enough negatives that the american people will not be able to see past.
Shrillary used the secret service and the FBI to intimidate and discourage women from coming forward to testify against Bill "Mr. Wang" Clinton.  She claims to be behind every initiative that Bill used that worked and nothing that failed.
Her plans include limiting your freedom of choice, increasing your taxes further strangling the economy, and weakining our military just like Bill did.  Bill's secret to his success was his co-opting the republican contract with america.  Hillary is unlikeable, fake, and devoid of any real conviction that doesn't align with her soft-socialism/communism.
Barrack has ties to Rezko, has virtually no experience, and seems to be full of hope without substance.  It just isn't his time yet.  Obama will one day have a real shot....  But not now.
Friends, McCain will win the presidency.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: colalaw on February 14, 2008, 06:31:57 AM
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Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: jeffislouie on February 15, 2008, 10:09:03 AM
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Oh look, it's the wicked witch of the west!

Good stuff.

Interesting, don't you think, that Shrillary has been making excuses for her consistent losses this february...
That's what we want in a leader.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: To Those Who Do on February 17, 2008, 08:05:10 AM
Sarcastic?
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: To Those Who Do on February 17, 2008, 08:10:14 AM

Personally, I find it funny that the libs like to say that Shrillary isn't winning because of sexism (yeah, it's b/c she's a woman, not because she's a psychotic lunatic who is out of her mind, evil, and everyone who has worked for her thinks she is a horrible person).



The thing is that this psychotic lunatic who is out of her mind, evil, and everyone who has worked for her thinks she is a horrible person is a woman.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: Martha Michelle on February 17, 2008, 08:26:25 AM

Personally, I find it funny that the libs like to say that Shrillary isn't winning because of sexism (yeah, it's b/c she's a woman, not because she's a psychotic lunatic who is out of her mind, evil, and everyone who has worked for her thinks she is a horrible person).



The thing is that this psychotic lunatic who is out of her mind, evil, and everyone who has worked for her thinks she is a horrible person is a woman.


Not to mention that,


I also think it is funny that people say that Barrack can't win because of racism (yeah, it's cause he's black, not because he's inexperienced, idealistic to the point of being removed from reality, and completely unprepared to run this country).


This inexperienced, idealistic to the point of being removed from reality, and completely unprepared to run this country is a black person.


But what is staggeringly stupid and hypocritical is that the very same people trying to make excuses for liberal shortcomings attack McCain because he's old. That is called "ageism" and is a well recognized sterotypical form of discrimination. He's not "too old".



He's, indeed, too old. This is a fact and it is not "ageism," a stereotypical form of discrimination.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: jeffislouie on February 17, 2008, 08:21:18 PM
He's, indeed, too old. This is a fact and it is not "ageism," a stereotypical form of discrimination.

Interesting.
So it is a "fact" that he is too old?  It's not a sterotype or discriminatory statement?
He's 71.
Reagan was 69 when he was elected.
People are living longer and longer. 
Regardless, in order to claim that he is too old and that is a fact, you MUST have some evidence, such as a law, or some sort of presidential rule book.
Scanning the constitution, I don't see any age limit that refers to a maximum age.  Besides, if you listen to McCain, it is pretty clear that his mind is fresh and sharp.
But hey, if that's the worst criticism I hear of McCain, I'm good with that.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: printout on February 18, 2008, 05:54:57 AM

Sarcastic?


You mean jeffislouie? Or someone else?
Title: This is your next President LMAO
Post by: sheherasade on February 27, 2008, 12:30:30 PM
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Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: QI on February 27, 2008, 01:39:31 PM
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Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: n.aussi on February 28, 2008, 08:15:49 AM

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Just imagine them now saying I was wrong when I called him a faggott!!!
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: Clyde G. on February 28, 2008, 09:24:00 AM
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Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: sylvan on March 04, 2008, 10:10:56 AM
Indeed such an unfortunate case!
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: bon gre mal gre on March 05, 2008, 08:44:29 AM
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Sen. Hillary Clinton Wednesday said her campaign had "turned a corner" with dramatic wins in Ohio and Texas Tuesday night.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: club foot on March 05, 2008, 12:10:52 PM
Truly amazing!
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: Tasso on March 07, 2008, 11:01:58 AM
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Obama calls his grandparents who put a roof above his head "white folks"
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: castrot on March 09, 2008, 03:14:09 PM
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Title: Girl seen in Clinton's '3 a.m.' ad supports Obama
Post by: c h e a p i e on March 12, 2008, 02:48:20 PM
Casey Knowles didn't much like a recent campaign commercial for Hillary Clinton -- even though she's in it as a sleeping 8-year-old.

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After all, she's about to turn 18 now and is a big supporter of Barack Obama. "What I don't like about the ad is its fear-mongering," Knowles told ABC's "Good Morning America Weekend Edition" on Sunday. "I think it's a cheap hit to take. I really prefer Obama's message of looking forward to a bright future." The well-known Clinton ad aired in Texas before last week's vote and implied a lack of experience on Obama's part. It showed an exterior of a Colonial-style home and old stock footage of Knowles sleeping in bed. A narrator describes a phone ringing in the White House: "It's 3 a.m. and your children are safely asleep. Who do you want answering the phone?"

Clinton won the Texas primary by a 51-47 percent margin. Knowles said she didn't see the ad until Jon Stewart lampooned it Thursday on "The Daily Show." Her brother noticed it was her, and the family replayed the commercial on their digital recorder to be sure. "They were parodying this ad, kind of poking fun at it," Knowles said. "My brother was like, 'Is that Casey?' And we just erupted. Sure enough, it's me." The file footage was originally shot for a railroad company advertisement. The Clinton campaign bought it from Getty Images. Knowles, a senior at Bonney Lake High School who turns 18 next month, has been campaigning for Obama. She attended his rally at Seattle's KeyArena on February 8. Her mother, Pam, told The News Tribune of Tacoma that Casey cried and trembled after shaking the candidate's hand. The next day, she was a Democratic precinct captain for the state's caucuses. If she plays her cards right, she could go to the national convention.

Not to mention that she could be in another ad. After her identity became known, Obama's campaign contacted her. "I mentioned that we should make a counter ad, me and Obama, against Hillary," she said. "They thought that was really funny. They actually might take me up on it." That said, Knowles said she plans to vote for whichever Democrat wins the nomination.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: backaregodi on March 13, 2008, 04:55:48 AM
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Title: IT'S A DRAW: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: tabula on March 18, 2008, 08:44:36 AM
A new poll shows either Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in a statistical tie with John McCain. According to the poll released Tuesday morning, both Obama and Clinton are locked in a dead heat with the Arizona senator. If Obama were to win the nomination, he would get 47% of the vote compared to 46% for McCain -- a statistical tie given the poll's 3% point margin of error. Should Clinton win the nomination, the poll suggests she would get 49% compared to McCain's 47% -- another statistical tie.

While Clinton and Obama match up equally with McCain, the two Democrats appear to be drawing support from different groups of voters. "Clinton appears to do a little bit better than Obama among older voters, women, and self-identified Democrats against McCain; Obama's numbers may be slightly better among younger voters and those who describe themselves as Republicans and Independents," Holland said.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: cen on March 18, 2008, 01:05:26 PM

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Sen. Hillary Clinton Wednesday said her campaign had "turned a corner" with dramatic wins in Ohio and Texas Tuesday night.


Very detailed I'd also say
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: cen on March 18, 2008, 01:05:56 PM
Oops wrong thread
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: deejay vu on March 19, 2008, 07:02:35 AM
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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., is accompanied by MTV News Correspondent Sway Calloway as she arrives for a taping of "Choose or Lose" where she met with Iraq and Afghanistan veterans at Lancaster Brewing Company in Lancaster, PA, Tuesday, March 18, 2008.
Title: Barack Obama: A Stalking Horse Candidate?
Post by: mena on March 20, 2008, 02:54:18 PM
Last year Hillary Clinton was the front runner in the Democrat's primary race until Barack Obama surged forward with a miraculously huge war chest and a groundswell of popular support. Does this affirm our Democratic system of electing officials or is there something more sinister behind a Junior Senator suddenly thrust into the national limelight? Did prominent Republican businessmen contribute to Barack Obama's fund raising campaign because they believe he is an easier target to take down in the long run?

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Was he set up as a stalking horse candidate to thwart the Democrats from securing the White House? In case you are not familiar with the term, Wikipedia defines a "stalking horse" as:

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"someone or something whose role is to become the focal point for, or the initiator of, a debate or challenge. In reality, however, their leadership role may be an illusion, and the stalking horse is really working to promote a challenge or debate that will benefit a third party whose identity remains a secret."

Politics is a tough and sometimes dirty business, from the controversy over campaign fundraising, to endless probes of business associates and infinite spinning and second guessing of previous actions and political stances. The contested Florida race in 2000 suggested dirty politics were afoot in this battleground state. We didn't even know what a hanging chad was until Florida. The ultimate insult to democracy came when the Supreme Court, seated with many appointees of President Bush Senior, made a crucial decision that handed the presidency to George W. Considering that twenty percent of Chicago's business elite, most of whom are Republicans, gave to Obama's campaign, while giving zilch to Hillary seem to support the idea that Republicans were stuffing Obama's war chest. To be absolutely clear, there are no laws broken here, but it seems odd, to say the least that dyed in the wool Republicans suddenly find a barely tested Junior Senator as the candidate of choice. This is all the more strange because up to that point, these Republican contributors hadn't given as much money to the party they usually support.

Let us also be clear that Hillary has received campaign contributions from traditionally Republican supporters. However, the evidence suggests that Obama has received the lion's share of Republican dollars. This would not be the first time the Republicans have backed a stalking horse to frustrate Democratic presidential aspirations. Ralph Nader was backed by Republican contibutors in his divisive White House run in 2004, steering votes away from John Kerry. All the more troubling is that one of Obama's speechwriters is Ben Rhodes, the brother of Fox News VP David Rhodes ( Marisa Guthrie, of BC Beat, reported this connection recently.) The latter Rhodes has been with the network since its inception in 1996. You may recall that on election night in November 2000, it was Fox that called Florida for Bush, even though the other networks declared Gore the winner.

And last but not least, Mr. Obama’s connections with friend and financier Tony Rezko, a Syrian immigrant whose Federal trial for business fraud and influence peddling was moved to March 3, close enough to insure that potentially damaging information to Obama would not affect the March 4 primaries. However, what most people are not aware of, is that this letter to the United States Justice Department called for an investigation into Barack Obama’s dealings with Rezko 3 months before Barack Obama declared his intention to seek the Democratic nomination. Hillary Clinton has the dubious honor of being the most vetted candidate for the office of president. She withstood a $40 million dollar attack on her character alaWhitewater. She could not be taken down. Barack Obama has yet to be tested in this manner and considering the seriousness of the charges against Mr. Rezko, could be easy pickings for a smear campaign. We've seen political candidates taken down for less. The clues are tantalizing.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: o n l i n e on March 24, 2008, 03:31:16 PM

It's been a banner time for sexism on the presidential hustings. Some time ago, we had the John McCain supporter in South Carolina asking her hero, "How do we beat the female dog?" in reference to Senator Hillary Clinton. Senator McCain laughed, showing his good-natured appreciation for comparing women to animals. He might also be amused to know that chicks, foxes, dogs and pigs are in the same lexicon, the one aimed at keeping women down by dehumanizing them.


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Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: diveroll on March 28, 2008, 12:02:45 AM
Clinton's superdelegates are sticking with her. Nationwide, the 796 superdelegates will make up a 5th of the total at the Democratic convention. They likely will swing toward one candidate to decide the outcome should the primaries and caucuses, which wrap up June 3, fail to do so. While it is true that Obama leads in all three categories and it's considered unlikely that Clinton will overtake him, neither Obama nor Clinton, at this point, can win the majority of delegates needed for nomination solely through the primaries and caucuses.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: vignette on March 31, 2008, 03:15:17 PM
Well, Al Gore -- you remember the Wizard of Gore, don't you -- said Sunday that he was steering clear of the nomination fight for now. "I'm trying to stay out of it," Gore told CBS television's "60 Minutes" news broadcast, even as fears continued to mount that the bitter nomination fight between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama threatens to tear the Democratic Party apart.
Title: Re: McCain female dog
Post by: C S on April 01, 2008, 01:37:42 AM

It's been a banner time for sexism on the presidential hustings. Some time ago, we had the John McCain supporter in South Carolina asking her hero, "How do we beat the female dog?" in reference to Senator Hillary Clinton. Senator McCain laughed, showing his good-natured appreciation for comparing women to animals. He might also be amused to know that chicks, foxes, dogs and pigs are in the same lexicon, the one aimed at keeping women down by dehumanizing them.

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In an article about a report from CNN's "Out in the Open" on Sen. John McCain's recent exchange with a supporter in Hilton Head, S.C., The Hill reported that McCain's "campaign laments that CNN portrayed the event as though McCain did not defend [Sen. Hillary] Clinton forcefully enough. The senator, in the short video clip, expressed his respect for the former first lady." But the article did not note that McCain described the question -- "How do we beat the female dog?" -- as "excellent." A November 14 article in The Hill by Klaus Marre reported that "[t]he camp of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) hoped to capitalize Wednesday on what it says was a biased report on CNN about a campaign event at which a McCain supporter referred to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) as 'the female dog.' " The article, which the Drudge Report linked to, referred to a McCain press release and email reacting to a report on the November 13 edition of CNN's Out in the Open by anchor Rick Sanchez. Sanchez noted McCain's response, during a campaign event in Hilton Head, S.C., to an audience member who asked, "How do we beat the female dog?" The Hill article reported: "The campaign laments that CNN portrayed the event as though McCain did not defend Clinton forcefully enough. The senator, in the short video clip, expressed his respect for the former first lady." But nowhere in the article did Marre note that McCain described the question as "excellent."

Further, The Hill did not mention that while the clip Sanchez aired showed McCain praising the question as an "excellent" one, the clip also showed McCain saying: "I respect Senator Clinton. I respect anyone who gets the nomination of the Democrat [sic] Party." Moreover, The Hill did not note that the email from McCain's campaign falsely claimed that "Senator McCain first responded by saying that he respected Senator Clinton, as he has said repeatedly throughout the campaign. Then, focusing on the question, he pointed to the new Rasmussen national poll showing that he is the only Republican candidate who can beat her in a general election." In fact, according to a video of the exchange, posted on YouTube by the Veracifier blog, McCain's first response to the question was, "May I give ... the translation?" He then added, "But that's an excellent question," before mentioning the Rasmussen poll. Only then did he state he had "respect" for Clinton. On the blog Talking Points Memo, reporter-blogger Greg Sargent noted the email's false claim.

From the November 13 edition of CNN's Out in the Open:

SANCHEZ: You know, this could be real bad for John McCain. I want you to watch this that we're about to show you. You'll probably see its first pass here, and then I have a feeling you'll be seeing it a lot. Producer comes in early in the morning today to my office and shows me this video. You're going to hear a McCain supporter. She refers to Hillary Clinton using really what is a horrible word that is used to do nothing but demean women. Well, at the time, it was a supporter who said that. It wasn't until later on, when we watched the whole tape, which is what you're about to see, that you see McCain's reaction, or lack thereof, that we decided that this is both relevant and newsworthy -- an important information to this campaign. All right, let me set it up for you. He's campaigning in South Carolina yesterday when suddenly this happened. Obviously, the word that's used here is very offensive. We'll let you listen to the entire thing so you can decide for yourself. Here it is.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do we beat the female dog?

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McCAIN: May I give the -- may I give the translation?

[laughter]

UNIDENTIFIED MALE 1: Leave it alone.

McCAIN: The way that --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE 2: John, I thought she was talking about my ex-wife.

[laughter]

McCAIN: But that's an excellent question.

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McCAIN: I respect Senator Clinton. I respect anyone who gets the nomination of the Democrat [sic] Party.

SANCHEZ: "That's an excellent question," he says.

This is a fellow senator that he's talking about. No matter what you think of Hillary Clinton, is John McCain done as a result of this? Is this going to become a viral video? This is the kind of questions that we got to examine at this point. We're going to be looking at a lot of these issues. The November 14 Hill article, headlined "McCain camp goes after CNN," in its entirety:

The camp of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) hoped to capitalize Wednesday on what it says was a biased report on CNN about a campaign event at which a McCain supporter referred to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) as "the female dog." Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, said in an e-mail to supporters that CNN owes the Arizona Republican an apology for its reporting of the story. The campaign laments that CNN portrayed the event as though McCain did not defend Clinton forcefully enough. The senator, in the short video clip, expressed his respect for the former first lady. "The CNN Network, affectionately known as the Clinton News Network, has stooped to an all-time low and is gratuitously attacking John McCain for not sufficiently defending Hillary Clinton enough when a South Carolina voter used the 'B' word to describe her when John McCain stopped into a luncheon yesterday at the Trinity restaurant in Hilton Head, S.C.," Davis said in his e-mail.

The McCain campaign manager portrayed the CNN report as an attempt by the liberal media to stop the surging Arizona Republican. "The liberal media has figured out that John McCain is the only thing that stands between a Hillary Clinton presidency, and they are therefore trying to stop the McCain comeback," Davis said. "Simply put, CNN is scared that John McCain will beat Hillary Clinton. They are right to be scared." The e-mail to supporters comes with a call to support the campaign financially. "We need your help," Davis wrote. "We need you to stand with John McCain, a man of honor, integrity and love of country, against the liberal media and liberal blogosphere that are trying to bring him down."
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: see ya on April 02, 2008, 01:31:34 PM

Clinton's superdelegates are sticking with her. Nationwide, the 796 superdelegates will make up a 5th of the total at the Democratic convention. They likely will swing toward one candidate to decide the outcome should the primaries and caucuses, which wrap up June 3, fail to do so. While it is true that Obama leads in all three categories and it's considered unlikely that Clinton will overtake him, neither Obama nor Clinton, at this point, can win the majority of delegates needed for nomination solely through the primaries and caucuses.


Don't even think about her quitting! Did ya hear her joke yesterday?

Following a speech before hundreds of labor union members, the press was told Hillary Clinton would hold a press conference. The press sat patiently for Clinton to finish shaking hands with supporters in the other room. Within minutes, a somber looking Clinton approached the podium, her equally morose looking staff stood nearby. "I want to take a moment to say that this has been a very hard fought race. Each of us is drawing enormous support. We clearly need to do something so that our party and the people can make the right decision," Clinton said. At this point many in the press thought Clinton might drop the bomb that she is calling it quits in the race. But it soon became clear that Clinton was only joking.

"Today I am challenging Senator Obama to a bowl off, a bowling night, right here in Pennsylvania winner take all," said Clinton as the press chuckled. "I will even spot him 2 frames. It's time for his campaign to get out of the gutter and allow all of the pins to be counted. I am prepared to play this game all the way to 10th frame. And when this game is over the America people will know when that phone rings at 3am they will have a president who will be able to bowl on day one so let's strike a deal and go bowling for delegates. We don't have a moment to spare, because it’s already April Fools Day, so happy April Fools Day everybody." This isn't the first time Clinton has addressed the press in a tongue-in-cheek fashion. A few months ago Clinton unveiled her campaign airplane as "Hill Force One" saying, "Welcome to Hill-Force One. FAA regulations prohibit the use of any cell phones, blackberries and/or wireless devices that may be used to transmit a negative story about me. Now in a few minutes," she continued, "I am going to switch off the fasten your seatbelt sign, however, I've learned lately that things can get awfully bumpy when you least expect it, so you might want to keep those seatbelts fastened."
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: becky on April 03, 2008, 12:41:53 PM
That loud, annoying sound you keep hearing is coming from all that Democratic hand wringing about the length and tenor of the race for the party's presidential nomination. The longer the race goes on, the more it increases the likelihood that presumptive Republican nominee John McCain will somehow win the White House when the two central themes of his campaign so far -- support for an unpopular war and a largely hands off approach to the economic mess --are at odds with about two thirds of American voters.

Or so the hand wringers keep telling us.

HIllary Clinton, whose only true impediment to the nomination seems to be that stubborn math that says she can't win enough delegates, continues to slug it out with Barack Obama. They are seeing parts of the country that Democrats haven't seen since Bobby Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy were still in the race in 1968. Hello Anderson, Indiana! Muncie, great to see you! Several Obama supporters have made calls for Clinton to get out of the race. Too bad for them, Clinton doesn't seem willing to take her cues from the senior senator from Vermont, Patrick Leahy. So there goes the Ben & Jerry's vote. And why should she? She is right that she has generated an incredible energy among women voters, and those very voters will be key to a Democratic victory in the fall. She is right that Democrats need to do well in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania. Obama can't walk to the White House through the precincts of Wyoming and Idaho.

She is right that the Democratic nominee needs to win the votes of working-class white men, which is why Obama has pivoted so quickly from a high-minded poetry to beer-swilling, bowling-alley populism. The consequences so far seem pretty clear. Each Democratic candidate has proven an ability to raise well north of $100 million, making the Republican McCain look like the guy with a tin cup on the street corner. Each person who donates money, even in the smallest amount, gets added to a database of potential voters in November. In almost every state where they have campaigned, the number of registered Democrats has increased. In Pennsylvania alone, there will be more than 100,000 new potential Democratic voters in the fall. States that previously were thought to be safely Republican, like Virginia and Georgia, could be in play for Democrats in the fall, particularly if Obama is the nominee.

The ratings for their televised debates continue to set ratings record even though neither of them has said anything particularly new in the last 10 of the 20 they have held. And who is making the front page or the nightly news? McCain launched his so-called biography tour on Monday in Mississippi. Try finding that story. Obama can get on the front page throwing a gutter ball in a Pennsylvania bowling alley. Team Clinton, Hillary, Bill or Chelsea, provide endless fodder for the cable networks. McCain would have to sky dive out of his campaign plane to get equal treatment. The Democratic contest will end at some point, and it is highly likely that point comes well before that -- all together now -- brokered convention begins. This is a country with a very short attention span. Clinton and Obama have held it longer than anyone could have imagined. Whatever fights they are having now will be forgotten on the late-summer night in Denver when one of them delivers the acceptance speech.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: ismile on April 05, 2008, 01:44:33 PM

Anyway, I wanted to say Hillary played it real cool when she fired her top adviser ;)

WASHINGTON (CNN)
December 13, 2007

One of Sen. Hillary Clinton's top advisers is stepping down after saying Sen. Barack Obama's admission of past drug use would hurt his chances in a general election matchup. Sen. Barack Obama says he doesn't think his admission of past drug use will hurt his presidential campaign.

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Sen. Barack Obama says he doesn't think his admission of past drug use will hurt his presidential campaign.

"I would like to reiterate that I deeply regret my comments yesterday and say again that they were in no way authorized by Sen. Clinton or the Clinton campaign," Bill Shaheen, co-chairman of the Clinton campaign in New Hampshire, said in a statement announcing his decision. Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign. "[Obama] said it's important for campaigns to send a signal from the top. If they say that negative campaigning is fun, they're sending a signal. Or that can say this kind of thing isn't tolerated," Axelrod said. Obama earlier brushed aside the adviser's remarks, saying they were probably the result of the latest poll numbers, which show the two candidates tied in the first primary state, New Hampshire. "I just think people are feeling a little worried about the polls," the Illinois senator said Thursday.

Shaheen told a Washington Post reporter Wednesday that Republicans would exploit Obama's admission of past drug use should he win the Democratic Party's presidential nomination and might even suggest Obama once dealt drugs. "The Republicans are not going to give up without a fight... and one of the things they're certainly going to jump on is his drug use," Shaheen said. "It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?' There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome." Shaheen, husband of former New Hampshire Gov. Jeanne Shaheen, apologized for his comments and said in a statement late Wednesday "they were not authorized by the campaign in any way."

Obama said he did not think it was Shaheen's intent to plant such a rumor. The candidate said he is not worried what Shaheen said may damage his campaign "since it's not true. I don't think the American people are concerned about what I did when I was a teenager. They're concerned about what I'm going to do as a presidential candidate," he said. Clinton on Thursday said she did not approve of Shaheen's comments. "I don't in any way condone that, and it was certainly not authorized or approved at all. It was inappropriate, and he's apologized," the senator from New York said. Obama spokesman David Plouffe called the remarks desperate, saying the "campaign is recycling old news that Barack Obama has been candid about in a book he wrote years ago, and he's talked about the lessons he's learned from these mistakes with young people all across the country."

Obama wrote in his 1995 book "Dreams of My Father" that he was once headed in the direction of a "junkie" and a "pothead." Referring to his emotional struggles as a young man, Obama wrote, "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though." Obama has not shied away from bringing up his past use of drugs while on the campaign trail. He spoke candidly about his past experimentation at an event in New Hampshire last month, acknowledging that he did inhale and that "it's not something I'm proud of." And in a statement that proved popular with the crowd, Obama said he never understood then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton's contention in 1992 that he did not inhale marijuana. "I never understood that line," he said. "The point was to inhale. That was the point."

The latest back-and-forth between the two Democratic campaigns on the issue of Obama's electability came as a new CNN/WMUR poll showed the two candidates statistically in a dead heat in New Hampshire. Clinton stands at 31%, with Obama 1% point behind, well within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 5% points


You think Obama's aide blurting out in the press calling Hillary a "monster" was less troubling? In an unguarded moment during an interview with The Scotsman in London, Samantha Power, Obama's key foreign policy aide, let slip the camp's true feelings about the former First Lady. Her comments came as Obama, whose defeats in Texas and Ohio on Tuesday were largely attributed to a series of negative attacks on him, vowed to turn up the heat on Clinton over her claims to be the more experienced candidate. The Obama camp went on the offensive, pointing out that Clinton had not still released her tax return and casting doubt on her experience. In response, a Clinton adviser said the attack reminded him of the witch-hunt led by special prosecutor Kenneth Starr, which led to the impeachment of her husband, Bill, when he was president. Earlier, clearly rattled by the Ohio defeat, Power told The Scotsman Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from her candidate.

"We @ # ! * e d up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win. "She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark. Power said of the Clinton campaign: "Here, it looks like desperation. I hope it looks like desperation there, too.
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Samantha Power was considered to be the embodiment of the American immigrant dream. Born in Dublin in 1970, she moved to the United States with her mother aged 9. After being educated in state schools in Pittsburgh and Georgia, she gained entry to the prestigious Yale University, where she studied history. The self-deprecating Power said this changed her life and opened many doors. She worked as freelance journalist in Bosnia, after teaching herself the language in Croatia. Her only other journalism experience prior to that was covering the Yale women's volleyball team. After graduating from Harvard Law School, she became an executive director and founder of the Carr Centre for Human Rights Policy at Harvard. The 37-year-old already has one Pulitzer Prize behind her, for her book "A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide" and she is in the UK and Ireland to plug her new book, "Chasing the Flame: Sergio Vieira de Mello and the Fight to Save the World." Power was head-hunted by Barack Obama to become his foreign-policy adviser in 2005 and combines this role with her job as a Time magazine columnist and professor of practice of global leadership and public policy at Harvard.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: ACEI on April 11, 2008, 01:13:25 PM

You think Obama's aide blurting out in the press calling Hillary a "monster" was less troubling? In an unguarded moment during an interview with The Scotsman in London, Samantha Power, Obama's key foreign policy aide, let slip the camp's true feelings about the former First Lady. Her comments came as Obama, whose defeats in Texas and Ohio on Tuesday were largely attributed to a series of negative attacks on him, vowed to turn up the heat on Clinton over her claims to be the more experienced candidate. The Obama camp went on the offensive, pointing out that Clinton had not still released her tax return and casting doubt on her experience. In response, a Clinton adviser said the attack reminded him of the witch-hunt led by special prosecutor Kenneth Starr, which led to the impeachment of her husband, Bill, when he was president. Earlier, clearly rattled by the Ohio defeat, Power told The Scotsman Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from her candidate.

"We @ # ! * e d up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win. "She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark. Power said of the Clinton campaign: "Here, it looks like desperation. I hope it looks like desperation there, too.


Richard Nixon would have been proud.

The campaign surrogate system his people set up 40 years ago has evolved into a factory for political hatchet work, name-calling that marks - and mars - this year's contest for the Democratic presidential nomination. "Surrogate" is just a fancy word for substitute, a campaign stand-in. Such allies and aides to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been making it a substitute for political common sense. An insult or inference the candidate has to explain or disown is a diversion, not a service, to the campaigner. But they keep coming. And when a purported surrogate blurts something that backfires, it is grist for the television and radio talkers, who amplify it into the topic of the day if not the week. Political bloggers go at it on the Internet, commentators comment, analysts analyze and the side show becomes the main event. That cycle has been played and replayed this season. With candidates who differ more in matters of style and detail than in basic policy, the surrogate insults are more dramatic and salable than most of what the candidates say themselves.

It wasn't Obama who called Clinton a monster, or Clinton who said that Obama wouldn't be doing so well as a candidate if he wasn't black. Those odd comments were made by supporters of the candidates who were freelancing at the time. There's nothing new about substitutes standing in for candidates, or for allies seeking to stir support on their behalfs. This time, in part because of the round-the-clock din of broadcast commentary, those roles have been magnified, and so have the controversies they can stir. The Nixon campaign of 1968 formalized the process, signed up designated substitutes and dubbed them surrogates. "We were looking around for an important-sounding word for the person who was asked to stand in for the candidate," William Safire, a 1968 Nixon speechwriter, wrote later in his New York Times Magazine column. "Surrogate sounded vaguely legal and dignified, and we went with it. It caught on." What worked in 1968 became a central piece of the Nixon campaign in 1972, with a roster of 49 surrogate campaigners standing in for the president, who made only seven personal campaign appearances that fall.

In this campaign, there is a surrogate in chief, former President Clinton working on behalf of his wife, aggressively if not always productively. His hard-line campaign early in the season turned off some voters, and he toned it down a bit. But not a lot - when he said that his wife and Republican John McCain are candidates who love their country, and implied by omission that Obama did not, it quickly stirred a surrogate hassle. An Obama campaigner said Bill Clinton's tactics reminded him of Joe McCarthy. Not all the flaps are external. It turns out that Clinton the surrogate backs a free trade agreement with Colombia that Clinton the candidate opposes. That's embarrassing. The deal is unpopular in Pennsylvania, where Democrats vote April 22, and will be in Indiana, which holds its primary on May 6. And the Clinton campaign just replaced its pollster and top strategist because of his paid promotional work for the same trade agreement. Trade policy came up earlier when a top economic adviser to Obama talked about the issue with Canadian diplomats in Chicago, and one of them sent home a memo saying he'd been told that the candidate's criticism of free trade pacts was political positioning, not necessarily policy. The adviser denied it, Obama denied it and Hillary Clinton crowed that it raised serious questions about his sincerity.

That's the risk with freelancing surrogates, campaign aides pursuing their own interests, and advisers who like the attention, and sometimes the ego trip, of representing a candidate. In the age of instant communication, no untoward political word or act goes unnoticed, and few go unpunished. A half-dozen Democrats have resigned campaign roles because of the things they said or did. A top foreign policy adviser to Obama resigned after calling Clinton a monster in a London interview while on a book promotion tour. Geraldine Ferraro, the 1984 Democratic nominee for vice president, quit her honorary campaign finance position with Clinton after telling the Torrance, Calif., Daily Breeze that "if Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position." She was in Torrance for a paid lecture, not on a campaign assignment. Then there's James Carville, who called Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, a former Clinton Cabinet member, a Judas for endorsing Obama. Clinton himself ranted about it to superdelegates in California. They both said Richardson had promised not to do it. Richardson denied that. Either way, it's hard to see what the attacks did for Hillary Clinton. They only served to remind people that Richardson was, indeed, backing Obama. Sometimes as a surrogate.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: etana on April 14, 2008, 12:34:31 PM

It's been a banner time for sexism on the presidential hustings. Some time ago, we had the John McCain supporter in South Carolina asking her hero, "How do we beat the female dog?" in reference to Senator Hillary Clinton. Senator McCain laughed, showing his good-natured appreciation for comparing women to animals. He might also be amused to know that chicks, foxes, dogs and pigs are in the same lexicon, the one aimed at keeping women down by dehumanizing them.


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Clinton enjoyed a shot of whiskey Saturday night in Indiana.

CROWN POINT, Indiana – After a day of taking shots at rival Sen. Barack Obama over his "bitter" remarks, Sen. Hillary Clinton relaxed in Crown Point, Indiana and took a shot of a different kind – Crown Royal whiskey. Clinton was at Bronko's Restaurant having a beer when the bartender asked, "You want a shot with that Hillary?" After some deliberation, Clinton settled on a shot of Crown Royal, a Canadian whiskey. Later in the evening, the Democratic presidential hopeful also sat down and had some pizza.

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Obama's presidential campaign has been knocked off balance after the Democratic White House frontrunner was caught on tape apparently belittling the fears of small-town Americans who have lost their jobs. The senator from Illinois was forced into a frantic damage limitation exercise after a recording emerged in which he appeared to dismiss impoverished blue collar workers as bitter individuals who have turned to God, guns and immigrant bashing to make themselves feel better. In comments which may seriously damage his chances of winning the forthcoming Pennsylvania primary election, Obama told fundraisers: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. "It's not surprising then they get bitter. They cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." His rivals and political commentators seized on the comments, pronouncing them a watershed moment that raises questions about whether he understands many of the people he hopes to lead - for whom religion and the right to bear arms are positive and wholesome aspects of their lives, not a crutch fashioned from bitterness.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: ex nihilo on April 21, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
HAHAHA - YOU'RE SO FUNNY ETANA!
Title: CLINTON CHALLENGES OBAMA TO DEBATE WITHOUT MODERATOR
Post by: post hoc on April 26, 2008, 03:28:31 PM
By MIKE GLOVER and SARA KUGLER, AP writers

MARION, Ind. - Democratic rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton turned up the rhetoric Saturday in their increasingly heated primary battle as she issued a new debate challenge and he complained of a race that's largely been reduced to trivia while working families feel economic pain.

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Clinton took the debate dispute to a new level, challenging Obama to face off with her in a debate without a moderator, Lincoln-Douglas style. "Just the two of us, going for 90 minutes, asking and answering questions, we'll set whatever rules seem fair," Clinton said while campaigning in South Bend. Clinton argued that Obama won't debate because he's unhappy with questions from moderators during the April 16 debate just before the Pennsylvania primary. After that debate, Obama complained it focused too much on political trivia and too little on real issues.
Title: Presidential Hopeful My @ # ! * i n g Ass!
Post by: Henning on May 07, 2008, 12:19:00 PM

Last year Hillary Clinton was the front runner in the Democrat's primary race until Barack Obama surged forward with a miraculously huge war chest and a groundswell of popular support. Does this affirm our Democratic system of electing officials or is there something more sinister behind a Junior Senator suddenly thrust into the national limelight? Did prominent Republican businessmen contribute to Barack Obama's fund raising campaign because they believe he is an easier target to take down in the long run?

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Was he set up as a stalking horse candidate to thwart the Democrats from securing the White House? In case you are not familiar with the term, Wikipedia defines a "stalking horse" as:

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"someone or something whose role is to become the focal point for, or the initiator of, a debate or challenge. In reality, however, their leadership role may be an illusion, and the stalking horse is really working to promote a challenge or debate that will benefit a third party whose identity remains a secret."

Politics is a tough and sometimes dirty business, from the controversy over campaign fundraising, to endless probes of business associates and infinite spinning and second guessing of previous actions and political stances. The contested Florida race in 2000 suggested dirty politics were afoot in this battleground state. We didn't even know what a hanging chad was until Florida. The ultimate insult to democracy came when the Supreme Court, seated with many appointees of President Bush Senior, made a crucial decision that handed the presidency to George W. Considering that twenty percent of Chicago's business elite, most of whom are Republicans, gave to Obama's campaign, while giving zilch to Hillary seem to support the idea that Republicans were stuffing Obama's war chest. To be absolutely clear, there are no laws broken here, but it seems odd, to say the least that dyed in the wool Republicans suddenly find a barely tested Junior Senator as the candidate of choice. This is all the more strange because up to that point, these Republican contributors hadn't given as much money to the party they usually support.

Let us also be clear that Hillary has received campaign contributions from traditionally Republican supporters. However, the evidence suggests that Obama has received the lion's share of Republican dollars. This would not be the first time the Republicans have backed a stalking horse to frustrate Democratic presidential aspirations. Ralph Nader was backed by Republican contibutors in his divisive White House run in 2004, steering votes away from John Kerry. All the more troubling is that one of Obama's speechwriters is Ben Rhodes, the brother of Fox News VP David Rhodes ( Marisa Guthrie, of BC Beat, reported this connection recently.) The latter Rhodes has been with the network since its inception in 1996. You may recall that on election night in November 2000, it was Fox that called Florida for Bush, even though the other networks declared Gore the winner.

And last but not least, Mr. Obama’s connections with friend and financier Tony Rezko, a Syrian immigrant whose Federal trial for business fraud and influence peddling was moved to March 3, close enough to insure that potentially damaging information to Obama would not affect the March 4 primaries. However, what most people are not aware of, is that this letter to the United States Justice Department called for an investigation into Barack Obama’s dealings with Rezko 3 months before Barack Obama declared his intention to seek the Democratic nomination. Hillary Clinton has the dubious honor of being the most vetted candidate for the office of president. She withstood a $40 million dollar attack on her character alaWhitewater. She could not be taken down. Barack Obama has yet to be tested in this manner and considering the seriousness of the charges against Mr. Rezko, could be easy pickings for a smear campaign. We've seen political candidates taken down for less. The clues are tantalizing.


You heard what Senator Barrack said?

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"As for Indiana, we did much better than all the pundits predicted, despite Republicans changing parties to support Senator Clinton, believing she would be easier for Senator McCain to defeat. Now is the time for each one of us to step up and do what we can to close out this primary."


ROFLMAO!
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: email on May 20, 2008, 06:34:16 AM
Let's see Kentucky and Oregon today.

The last time Oregon had much weight in the primary season was in 1968, when Robert Kennedy was campaigning for the Democratic nomination.
Title: RFK reference
Post by: RSH on May 24, 2008, 12:47:15 PM

Let's see Kentucky and Oregon today.

The last time Oregon had much weight in the primary season was in 1968, when Robert Kennedy was campaigning for the Democratic nomination.


Funny how a simple reference on Clinton's part regarding Bobby Kennedy was interpreted in a bad sense:

BRANDON, South Dakota (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton said Friday that she regretted comments that evoked the June 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy as part of her explanation for why she was staying in the presidential race late into the primary season. Earlier Friday afternoon, she told the editorial board of the Sioux Falls, South Dakota, Argus Leader that "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said. Clinton complained that "people have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa" and said that position "historically ... makes no sense."

Later at an event in Brandon, South Dakota, she said, "Earlier today, I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns that both my husband and Sen. Kennedy waged in California in June in 1992 and 1968, and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nominating primary contests that go into June. That's an historic fact. The Kennedys have been much on my mind in the last days because of Sen. [Edward] Kennedy, and I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever," Clinton added. The campaign of her rival for the Democratic nomination for president, Sen. Barack Obama, reacted quickly. "Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," it said in a statement. Her campaign first defended the remarks, saying the New York senator had been making a historical parallel. "She was simply referencing her husband in 1992 and Bobby Kennedy in 1968 of historical examples of the nominating process going well into the summer. Any reading into it beyond that is inaccurate and outrageous," Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said.

Kennedy, the brother of slain President John F. Kennedy, was shot and killed just moments after claiming victory in the California primary in 1968. Friday night, Kennedy's son, Robert Kennedy, Jr., released a statement that said he understands the point Clinton was making and said it would be a mistake to be offended. "I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard-fought through June," he said. "I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense." Also Friday, the Clinton campaign released a statement from Randell Beck, the newspaper's executive editor, saying Clinton was answering a question about whether her continued campaigning threatens party unity so close to the Democratic convention. "Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself," Beck said in the statement. Clinton's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that people may have "misinterpreted what she meant." "It was clear to anybody watching her this afternoon that she was ... deeply regretful, and people did not understand the context in which she made this reference, and so I think that she immediately, as soon as she could, spoke out to express her regret for ... perhaps the way that she had spoken or the people had misinterpreted what she meant," Williams said.

Clinton made a similar reference to Robert Kennedy in a March interview with Time magazine Managing Editor Richard Stengel, saying she could not envision a scenario in which party leaders would step in and call for the race to end. "I think people have short memories," she said then. "Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual." All three candidates have Secret Service protection. Clinton, the former first lady, has had agents guarding her since her husband's administration; Obama was assigned a protective detail in May 2007; and presumed Republican nominee Sen. John McCain agreed to accept Secret Service protection in April.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: synchronicity on May 27, 2008, 08:51:24 AM
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Title: Re: Presidential Hopeful My @ # ! * i n g Ass!
Post by: nmla on May 27, 2008, 09:37:29 AM

Last year Hillary Clinton was the front runner in the Democrat's primary race until Barack Obama surged forward with a miraculously huge war chest and a groundswell of popular support. Does this affirm our Democratic system of electing officials or is there something more sinister behind a Junior Senator suddenly thrust into the national limelight? Did prominent Republican businessmen contribute to Barack Obama's fund raising campaign because they believe he is an easier target to take down in the long run?

(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9450/serenityhabibarabianhorvz2.jpg)

Was he set up as a stalking horse candidate to thwart the Democrats from securing the White House? In case you are not familiar with the term, Wikipedia defines a "stalking horse" as:

Quote
"someone or something whose role is to become the focal point for, or the initiator of, a debate or challenge. In reality, however, their leadership role may be an illusion, and the stalking horse is really working to promote a challenge or debate that will benefit a third party whose identity remains a secret."

Politics is a tough and sometimes dirty business, from the controversy over campaign fundraising, to endless probes of business associates and infinite spinning and second guessing of previous actions and political stances. The contested Florida race in 2000 suggested dirty politics were afoot in this battleground state. We didn't even know what a hanging chad was until Florida. The ultimate insult to democracy came when the Supreme Court, seated with many appointees of President Bush Senior, made a crucial decision that handed the presidency to George W. Considering that twenty percent of Chicago's business elite, most of whom are Republicans, gave to Obama's campaign, while giving zilch to Hillary seem to support the idea that Republicans were stuffing Obama's war chest. To be absolutely clear, there are no laws broken here, but it seems odd, to say the least that dyed in the wool Republicans suddenly find a barely tested Junior Senator as the candidate of choice. This is all the more strange because up to that point, these Republican contributors hadn't given as much money to the party they usually support.

Let us also be clear that Hillary has received campaign contributions from traditionally Republican supporters. However, the evidence suggests that Obama has received the lion's share of Republican dollars. This would not be the first time the Republicans have backed a stalking horse to frustrate Democratic presidential aspirations. Ralph Nader was backed by Republican contibutors in his divisive White House run in 2004, steering votes away from John Kerry. All the more troubling is that one of Obama's speechwriters is Ben Rhodes, the brother of Fox News VP David Rhodes ( Marisa Guthrie, of BC Beat, reported this connection recently.) The latter Rhodes has been with the network since its inception in 1996. You may recall that on election night in November 2000, it was Fox that called Florida for Bush, even though the other networks declared Gore the winner.

And last but not least, Mr. Obama’s connections with friend and financier Tony Rezko, a Syrian immigrant whose Federal trial for business fraud and influence peddling was moved to March 3, close enough to insure that potentially damaging information to Obama would not affect the March 4 primaries. However, what most people are not aware of, is that this letter to the United States Justice Department called for an investigation into Barack Obama’s dealings with Rezko 3 months before Barack Obama declared his intention to seek the Democratic nomination. Hillary Clinton has the dubious honor of being the most vetted candidate for the office of president. She withstood a $40 million dollar attack on her character alaWhitewater. She could not be taken down. Barack Obama has yet to be tested in this manner and considering the seriousness of the charges against Mr. Rezko, could be easy pickings for a smear campaign. We've seen political candidates taken down for less. The clues are tantalizing.


You heard what Senator Barrack said?

Quote
"As for Indiana, we did much better than all the pundits predicted, despite Republicans changing parties to support Senator Clinton, believing she would be easier for Senator McCain to defeat. Now is the time for each one of us to step up and do what we can to close out this primary."


ROFLMAO!


Haha! Good catch, Henning!
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: 10-7B on May 31, 2008, 12:52:13 PM
Indeed, nmla, synchronicity's post is very interesting!
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: T a s h on June 02, 2008, 02:48:21 PM

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Title: Obama's first test: Handling Hillary
Post by: caci on June 04, 2008, 05:17:07 PM
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Barack Obama would remind us of something: He won and she didn't.

Not that Hillary Clinton admitted to any of that in her nonconcession concession speech Tuesday night, after Obama attained the delegate votes he needs for the Democratic presidential nomination. For someone giving indications she would like to be Obama's running mate, Clinton was surprisingly ungracious. In fact, if you had just awakened from a (blissful) 17-month sleep, you would have thought she had won.

"Because of you, we won together the swing states necessary to get to 270 electoral votes," she told the crowd in New York City. "I want the nearly 18 million Americans who voted for me to be respected, to be heard and no longer to be invisible."
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: Esh on June 05, 2008, 11:20:11 AM
A new poll shows either Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in a statistical tie with John McCain. According to the poll released Tuesday morning, both Obama and Clinton are locked in a dead heat with the Arizona senator. If Obama were to win the nomination, he would get 47% of the vote compared to 46% for McCain -- a statistical tie given the poll's 3% point margin of error. Should Clinton win the nomination, the poll suggests she would get 49% compared to McCain's 47% -- another statistical tie.

While Clinton and Obama match up equally with McCain, the two Democrats appear to be drawing support from different groups of voters. "Clinton appears to do a little bit better than Obama among older voters, women, and self-identified Democrats against McCain; Obama's numbers may be slightly better among younger voters and those who describe themselves as Republicans and Independents," Holland said.


Right on, tabula!

Obama, McCain locked in dead heat

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(CNN) – One day after the general election officially kicked off, a new CNN "poll of polls" suggests Barack Obama and John McCain are locked in a tight race for the White House. According to CNN's average of four recent national polls, the-newly minted Democratic presidential nominee holds a narrow 2 point lead over McCain among registered voters, 47 percent to 45 percent. Nearly 10 percent say they are undecided. The polls included in the sample were conducted between May 21 and June 3, all before Obama officially wrapped up the nomination Tuesday night. The poll of polls included recent surveys from CBS, Gallup, Pew, and Newsweek.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: moses on June 05, 2008, 12:34:47 PM
I'm sorry but I've a feeling the "diversity" strategy of the Dems this year is going to backfire with McCain easily getting the presidency..

McCain is too old and sick -- McCain has had 4 melanomas removed in the last 15 years: on his left shoulder in 1993, on his temple and upper left arm in 2000 and on his nose in 2002. The most dangerous was the one removed from his temple in 2000, classified by his doctors as an invasive melanoma, stage IIA, on a standard scale that makes stage IV the most serious. The 2000 surgery left McCain not only with a puffy jaw but also with a scar down his neck. It will kill him come election day.


The medical overview comes a week after Republican rival John McCain allowed some reporters access to his voluminous health records.

Although he hasn't had a physical in 16 months, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has been in "excellent health" and is medically fit to serve as president, his longtime doctor wrote in a letter released by the campaign Thursday. Still, campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said, "With no surgery or hospital stays, this is a complete summary of his doctor visits and medical records for the past 2 decades." The letter, written by Dr. David L. Scheiner of Chicago, noted that Obama, 46, had a family history of cancer. His mother died of ovarian cancer and a grandfather of prostate cancer. A prostate-specific antigen test -- generally recommended annually for men over 45 who are African American or otherwise at a high risk of prostate cancer, and often suggested annually for other men over 50 -- detected no issues for Obama. The campaign did not say when he is expected to be screened again.

The Illinois senator has smoked intermittently over the years, Scheiner wrote in the overview, but is now "using Nicorette gum with success. His build was lean and muscular with no excess body fat," Scheiner said, based on Obama's last physical, conducted Jan. 15, 2007. "His physical examination was completely normal." The brief letter contrasted with Sen. John McCain's decision to let a selected group of reporters spend 3 hours with about 1,200 pages of health records last week. The records showed that McCain, 71, the presumed Republican presidential nominee, is in good health, although he has a 15-year history of skin cancers, including a minor case in February, and has had bouts with precancerous polyps in his colon, kidney cysts and bladder stones.
Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: elsa on June 05, 2008, 12:41:18 PM
OH PLEASE.............WOULD YOU MIND SHUTTING THE @ # ! * UP?! I MEAN, JESUS CHRIST, IT'S SOOOOOOO OBVIOUS YOU'VE AN OBSESSION WITH OBAMA! JUST LET IT GO, MAN!



Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: P a n d o r a on June 05, 2008, 01:34:01 PM

Like a comic-book superhero, Obama is there to help, out of the sheer goodness of a heart we need not know or understand. For as with all Magic Negroes, the less real he seems, the more desirable he becomes.


Sincerely, if you think it thru the sacrifice he makes far outweighs the benefits he'll get should he really be elected president.


Well, that's the whole point, isn't it dru? :)

Title: Re: IT'S A DRAW!!!
Post by: Saction8 on February 13, 2012, 02:50:38 PM

[...]

Senator Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have often drawn strong support in their political campaigns from African-American voters. While Obama seeks an edge with African-American voters, Clinton continues to shore up her support among women. Rutgers University Professor Ross Baker says Clinton's surprise win in last week's New Hampshire primary was largely a result of a last-minute shift in support for Clinton by women voters. "I think that she carries considerable advantages with her into the remaining primaries. She has lots of money and she obviously has gotten the support of women even more strongly, I think, than anybody had imagined," said Baker.

Clinton is seeking to become the first woman president, while Obama hopes to become the first African-American president. One new national poll shows Obama gaining on Clinton among Democrats, following his win in the Iowa caucuses and close second-place finish to Clinton in the New Hampshire primary. The Washington Post-ABC News poll has Clinton at 42%, followed by Obama at 37% and Edwards at 11%. Obama's share is up 14% since the same poll last month. A second poll by New York Times and CBS News showed Clinton with 42%, Obama with 27% and Edwards 11%.


basha, I just could not believe Dems were really going for Hillary - I mean, she was not serious enough, with all those lies and fake stories. Remember when she said in relation to her visit in 1996 in Bosnia, "I remember landing under sniper fire," in March 2008. "There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base." News footage of the event, however, showed her claims to have been wide of the mark, and reporters who accompanied her stated that there was no sniper fire. Her account was ridiculed by ABC News as "like a scene from Saving Private Ryan".