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Title: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: SJ228 on September 04, 2007, 06:43:25 PM
Ive had about 12 interviews and no callbacks. I am at T2, top 6%, secondary journal - but nothing. I think Im generally pretty nice to talk to, but should I assume that I am doing something wrong. All of my fellow classmates that I have been interviewing with (most on LR) have received callbacks. Would that be the reason? Anyone got any tips to get out of this slump?

Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: Suzieq830 on September 04, 2007, 06:57:56 PM
what T2 are you at?? it  may depend on your school/ region you are interviewing at
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: SJ228 on September 04, 2007, 07:24:22 PM
what T2 are you at?? it  may depend on your school/ region you are interviewing at

Southern Cali area. Most of the places that I have interviewed with (v100) are only accepting about 2-3 summers. I guess were in low demand.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 04, 2007, 08:23:06 PM
I am at a top 25 law school and right around the 16% mark, and I have only received 5 callbacks from the 16 places that have made decisions already.  I have a friend on law review, top 15%, and he has only received 2 callbacks out of approximately 20 interviews.  It is completely random.  It is all a matter of your personality and resume.  At your school, since you are at a T2, I would assume that the people are all kinda friendly and less arrogant then other schools, so most people are probably pretty nice to talk to. Also, some of it is made up before the interview even starts.  You will get a job somewhere.  You may just have to look outside the Cali market.  I have heard that Las Vegas is a great place to practice in a smaller market and its still somewhat close.  (a person transfered up here and had to go to Vegas because people wouldnt look at him after he transfered in really) Good luck to you, and I hope something comes through for you.  God bless.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: wafflesyumyum on September 05, 2007, 09:28:48 PM
i will weigh in here.  28 oci's.  9 rejections, 0 callbacks.

top 10 school.  just a HAIR below the mean gpa.  no journal.  strong public service-oriented resume.  actually, working in the public sector is what i want to do, but thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to work at a firm this summer so as not to foreclose any possibilities for myself.

my friends all have callbacks and it is quite demoralizing.  no flamers (that's what they're called, right?) please; i just want to know if anybody else is in a similar situation.  should i just give up on the idea of working for a big firm over the summer?
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: osakakid on September 05, 2007, 10:22:36 PM
Minnesota, 3.5, secondary journal--30 interviews--3 callbacks so far (strangely none from Minnesota)
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 06, 2007, 07:50:13 AM
i will weigh in here.  28 oci's.  9 rejections, 0 callbacks.

top 10 school.  just a HAIR below the mean gpa.  no journal.  strong public service-oriented resume.  actually, working in the public sector is what i want to do, but thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to work at a firm this summer so as not to foreclose any possibilities for myself.

my friends all have callbacks and it is quite demoralizing.  no flamers (that's what they're called, right?) please; i just want to know if anybody else is in a similar situation.  should i just give up on the idea of working for a big firm over the summer?

Ive heard that they sometimes dont like public service oriented resumes.  I know sometimes it can be transparent that you dont want to really work there because of that.  I would suggest looking at a smaller market.  Good luck though... I have friends that have gotten callbacks from firms that other people heard from a week or so ago, so its a possibility you will still hear back.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: ANBUDOM on September 06, 2007, 11:21:56 AM
Perhaps your career services has a mock interview type thing?  It seems to me like you have good credentials but something is going wrong on the interviews.  I'm not saying that you're socially retarded or anything but maybe you're coming off too strong or something like that? 

Good luck with the job search.  I'm sure if you keep trying and reflect on how your interviews are going you should be fine. 
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: GA-fan on September 06, 2007, 04:26:45 PM
Find out who is getting all the callbacks at your school. Attach large cinderblock to their ankle and drop in the Hudson.  Proceed to claim their identity, and voila, problem solved. :D

I'd definitely contact career services for a mock interview and to potentially call the firms you've been dinged at- sometimes career services can get a more straightforward answer from recruiting coordinators than a student can, and it might be something simple like being overeager or not asking intelligent questions about the firm. Also, take a good look at the types of firms you're applying to- are they "reach" firms, or ones where you'd be the median candidate?

If you still have any screening interviews left, just try to relax and don't think about your previous history- anything that stresses you out (like not having a good record of receiving callbacks) will make your interview skills worse and might turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: Blunderbuss on September 06, 2007, 05:58:42 PM
i will weigh in here.  28 oci's.  9 rejections, 0 callbacks.

top 10 school.  just a HAIR below the mean gpa.  no journal.  strong public service-oriented resume.  actually, working in the public sector is what i want to do, but thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to work at a firm this summer so as not to foreclose any possibilities for myself.

my friends all have callbacks and it is quite demoralizing.  no flamers (that's what they're called, right?) please; i just want to know if anybody else is in a similar situation.  should i just give up on the idea of working for a big firm over the summer?

This is a pure flame.  You would have received some callback even if you applied to only the top 28 firms and did terrible at all of your initial interviews.  The reason, initial interviews simply does not matter very much.  I forgot about my interview with a firm (V15) and still received a callback from them. 
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 06, 2007, 06:01:39 PM

This is a pure flame.  You would have received some callback even if you applied to only the top 28 firms and did terrible at all of your initial interviews.  The reason, initial interviews simply does not matter very much.  I forgot about my interview with a firm (V15) and still received a callback from them. 
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The initial interview does matter even though a lot is decided before then.  I have friends (top 15%, law review, top 25 school) that got barely any call backs, yet I got some at the firms they interviewed at without their impressive resumes.  Some of it is decided before hand, but a lot of it is not.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: wafflesyumyum on September 06, 2007, 07:16:38 PM
i will weigh in here.  28 oci's.  9 rejections, 0 callbacks.

top 10 school.  just a HAIR below the mean gpa.  no journal.  strong public service-oriented resume.  actually, working in the public sector is what i want to do, but thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to work at a firm this summer so as not to foreclose any possibilities for myself.

my friends all have callbacks and it is quite demoralizing.  no flamers (that's what they're called, right?) please; i just want to know if anybody else is in a similar situation.  should i just give up on the idea of working for a big firm over the summer?

This is a pure flame.  You would have received some callback even if you applied to only the top 28 firms and did terrible at all of your initial interviews.  The reason, initial interviews simply does not matter very much.  I forgot about my interview with a firm (V15) and still received a callback from them. 

i'm probably not going to be able to convince you that this isn't flame, but think about it like this:  i only applied to new york and dc firms.  these are the two markets that most people at my school applied to. this means i'm competing with people who are on journals, have better grades than me, have a clue or two about what goes on in a big firm, *and*  go to a top 10 school.

anyway, i really appreciate that most people who replied gave me intelligent and respectful feedback. i know my questions to the firms probably weren't intelligent-- like i say, i have no idea of what people do in a big firm, and i was adamantly opposed to the idea of working for one until this past summer, when i saw first hand how quickly public interest lawyers burn out.  i honestly had a difficult time distinguishing one firm from another.

it's occurred to me that the problem is my interviewing skills. my interviews didn't feel particularly awkward, but my personality is introverted and a little quirky, and it's possible that this came out. 

thanks again everybody.  i might try applying to smaller firms in smaller markets, or i might just give up and do public interest all the way.  who knows.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: eli250 on September 06, 2007, 08:10:46 PM
Minnesota, 3.5, secondary journal--30 interviews--3 callbacks so far (strangely none from Minnesota)

Somewhat similar situation here.  31 interviews, 5 callbacks, only one was from the local market.  The other 4 were from all over the country even though more than 20 of the screening interviews were from the local market.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 06, 2007, 09:32:56 PM
Your post amused me a little bit, so I had to comment.  Keep in mind that they had three dollar pitchers at the bar tonight, and I have had a stressful week. 

"i honestly had a difficult time distinguishing one firm from another."- This amused me because there is no difference.  They all have the best clients and if you ask anyone why they work there, it is because they love the people.  However, Skadden is a terrible place to work with regards to the hours and Greenberg Traurig has some mean attorneys.  Other then that, you were right on with the fact that they are virtually indistinguishable.

"it's occurred to me that the problem is my interviewing skills. my interviews didn't feel particularly awkward, but my personality is introverted and a little quirky, and it's possible that this came out."  From my interactions with people at T14 schools, very few are not introverted and quirky with the exception of those that had there parents by their way in, and who the hell wants to even talk to them? 

"i might try applying to smaller firms in smaller markets, or i might just give up and do public interest all the way.  who knows."  If its something you really want to do, my advice would be to apply to a smaller market this year (ive heard vegas is a great place from a classmate who didnt get any callbacks) then try to clerk after graduating and shoot again for a big market.

My bests advice would be to not take it personally, you are the person that you are and there is no reason to want to work at a firm that doesn't want you to work there.  If they do not think you will fit in, then maybe you wouldn't.  With the hours they have, there is no reason to want to work that much with people you arent going to get along with. 


Good luck though.  If you do a direct write thing, which is a great option, and you get more interviews, I have some standard questions I would not mind sharing. 
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: K-Bomb on September 06, 2007, 09:38:28 PM
This is why it pays to have some humility as to the kinds of firms with which you interview.  I'm aiming solidly at regional mid to big law.  I have no desires to go for Vault firms exclusively, and I will schedule as many interviews with the midlaw firms as possible.

I'm only a 1L, so I have little experience in this, but it seems to me that those not getting call backs are ones who are trying really hard to get prestigious gigs instead of simply good ones.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: ANBUDOM on September 07, 2007, 03:52:18 AM
I was told that some interviewers HATE hearing interviewees asking generic questions such as "so why did YOU choose this firm?" or "what is the firm culture like?".

After a screening interview I had with a biglaw NY firm, the interviewer actually said, "Thank God you didn't ask me the lame, 'Why did YOU choose so and so LLP?' because after the 50th time I heard it, I don't even want to answer it anymore."  Try to ask very targeted specific questions about the firm and appear interested.  If the interviewer meets with 20 students from your school and 15 of them ask the same generic questions, only 5 will distinguish themselves. 

I realize that it may be difficult distinguishing one firm from another but I would strongly recommend that in addition to firm's website and NALP, you may also wanna check the firm's bio on vault.com and their strengths in specific practice groups on chambersandpartners.com (is that the right link?).  Chambers and partners gives you a better idea of what specific practice areas a firm excels at and what practice areas don't have as much recognition. 

All NY/DC biglaw firms are generally great at everything but certain firms are better at certain things than others.  If you can say something like "Oh I know X LLP is great at Y and that is what I want to do" then the interviewer may like you a lot more. If the firm is much more balanced, you can say that since you're unsure of what you wanna do, the firm is great for you b/c it's awesome at everything and you get to sample awesome stuff. 

Also, look specifically at what the summer program entails and ask questions about it.  For example, I noticed that most NY firms have 2 types of summer programs: 1) you get to observe real transactions or attend real depositions but you don't get as much hands-on experience; or 2) the firm makes up some sort of hypothetical transaction and the summer associates have to pretend like they're important and battle it out. 

If the firm is in the former category, tell them how it's great that the firm gives SA's real, substantive work rather than silly hypothetical crap (in a nicer way of course).  If the firm is in the latter category, tell them how it's great that SA's get to directly participate in a simulated transaction while other firms just have their SA's sit back and watch.  Everytime I brought that up, the interviewer loved talking about how their summer program was superior to others and how their summer associates were very satisfied with the program.  No joke their eyes light up and they love talking about it (unless you get someone that never participated in the summer program or an interviewer that doesn't give a flying rats ass about summer associates... i had a few of those...)

Good luck to you and I hope things work out!
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: SJ228 on September 07, 2007, 07:30:29 PM
I just got my first callback! Its from a great firm and very encouraging. Hopefully more to come!
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 08, 2007, 12:35:30 AM
I had like my fifth callback today, and I am sick of making up questions to ask, so they all got the generic questions.

I feel like there isnt much to ask except "why did you come here? are you staying? what do you like about ____? what dont you like____? what is a typical day like?"

There is not much you can ask without sounding obnoxious and like you are trying to sound really smart or without making you sound stupid for not doing your research.


Congrats SJ228 :) All you need is one callback and one offer.  Ill keep my fingers crossed for you :)
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: johns259 on September 10, 2007, 03:17:10 PM
Would you ever ask about the firm's softball team?
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 10, 2007, 03:41:38 PM
I have asked about the softball teams before... only because I feel like a good softball team is essential to my enjoyment of the summer program. 
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: KrazyNazi on September 10, 2007, 11:14:31 PM
people going to TTT schools (everyone posting on this thread, except me) is not going to get jobs.  TTT and jobs are mutually exclusive, in computers science they call this "MuTex". 
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: P-Dinelaw on September 19, 2007, 11:12:13 PM
I was told that some interviewers HATE hearing interviewees asking generic questions such as "so why did YOU choose this firm?" or "what is the firm culture like?".

I asked every firm I had screening interviews with those exact generic questions and I got callbacks from 12 of the 14 I interviewed with.  I also asked the attorneys the same questions during my callbacks and I have received offers from all 3 callbacks I have gone on so far.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: KrazyNazi on September 20, 2007, 11:56:51 AM
I was told that some interviewers HATE hearing interviewees asking generic questions such as "so why did YOU choose this firm?" or "what is the firm culture like?".

I asked every firm I had screening interviews with those exact generic questions and I got callbacks from 12 of the 14 I interviewed with.  I also asked the attorneys the same questions during my callbacks and I have received offers from all 3 callbacks I have gone on so far.


So you have registered 3 screen names so far, not bad.  That's still 7 names short of the 10 that I suggested.  Keep working on it. 
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: attgirl on September 20, 2007, 10:00:16 PM
If my only contact is a partner on the committe, is it appropriate to call him? It's been a week, and they were scheduled to have a meeting Friday. The firm is large for the region but is very selective...
Should I wait a little longer or call? When I spoke to them last week, I was told that they were very interested...
The wait has been really difficult!
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: Blunderbuss on September 20, 2007, 10:24:02 PM
If my only contact is a partner on the committe, is it appropriate to call him? It's been a week, and they were scheduled to have a meeting Friday. The firm is large for the region but is very selective...
Should I wait a little longer or call? When I spoke to them last week, I was told that they were very interested...
The wait has been really difficult!

call the recruiting manager, look up his name on NALP.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: attgirl on September 20, 2007, 10:35:08 PM
Thanks..I have had no contact with the recruiting manager- the only person I have been communicating with has been the partner-you think I should still call the recruiting manager? she may not even know me by name...?
I really like this place and dont want to do anything which has potential to hurt my chances!
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 20, 2007, 10:40:59 PM
I would just wait.  You can hold offers till December 1, so there is no rush and you lose nothing by waiting.  There is either a rejection in the mail or they missed the meeting, but there is not much you could do at this point.  Good luck though...
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: attgirl on September 20, 2007, 10:43:39 PM
You are right, there isnt much to do, except that its making me quite anxious!
thanks, tho
Am so tempted to pick up the phone and call the partner...(the firm is a little slow in responding, but they are really friendly!)
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: mae on September 21, 2007, 10:58:16 AM
I would just wait.  The hiring committees don't always meet when they think they will, so it could (unfortunately) take longer than they led you to believe.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 21, 2007, 11:13:00 AM
I would just wait.  The hiring committees don't always meet when they think they will, so it could (unfortunately) take longer than they led you to believe.

I interviewed at a place that had weekly meetings with the committee.  Anyway, the partner called today after it had been 15 days and said he was sorry about the wait, but that they just met, everyone loved me, and they wanted me to work for them.  So, I would just bear with it.  Give it two and a half weeks, then call :)  I hope it comes through for you though...
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: ANBUDOM on September 21, 2007, 11:45:41 AM
I would just wait.  The hiring committees don't always meet when they think they will, so it could (unfortunately) take longer than they led you to believe.

I interviewed at a place that had weekly meetings with the committee.  Anyway, the partner called today after it had been 15 days and said he was sorry about the wait, but that they just met, everyone loved me, and they wanted me to work for them.  So, I would just bear with it.  Give it two and a half weeks, then call :)  I hope it comes through for you though...

Congratulations :)
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: P-Dinelaw on September 21, 2007, 01:05:13 PM
people going to TTT schools (everyone posting on this thread, except me) is not going to get jobs.  TTT and jobs are mutually exclusive, in computers science they call this "MuTex". 
People who are feminine hygiene product bags (no one on this thread, except you) are going to suck at life.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 21, 2007, 03:04:45 PM
Thank you :)  and the poster above me amuses me.  People do not get that there really is not a reason to degrade anyway. I think everyone, generally, works hard and tries hard.  Not everyone can go to yale and work at Watchtell, but there are a lot of great schools and a lot of great firms...  Anyway, Ill keep my fingers crossed for yall!
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: HRoark81 on September 21, 2007, 04:04:26 PM
I don't think there are a lot of great schools.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: attgirl on September 21, 2007, 04:15:33 PM
PALuff - Do you know how quick the Michigan law firms have been with offer?
Thanks!
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 21, 2007, 04:22:43 PM
I don't think there are a lot of great schools.

eh, maybe not, but there are a few... michigan isnt one of them, of course  :P
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: HRoark81 on September 21, 2007, 07:10:54 PM
PALuff - Do you know how quick the Michigan law firms have been with offer?
Thanks!
Not a clue...I'm doing DC.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: HRoark81 on September 21, 2007, 07:11:23 PM
I don't think there are a lot of great schools.

eh, maybe not, but there are a few... michigan isnt one of them, of course  :P
Umm. OK.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 21, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
did you decide where in DC yet?  Its a sick place to practice...
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: HRoark81 on September 21, 2007, 09:58:50 PM
Not yet.  I still have some callbacks, so I'm going to check them out before I make any decisions.  Do you mean sick in the positive or the negative sense?
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: thorc954 on September 21, 2007, 10:33:21 PM
Sick in the positive sense.  I am going to practice in DC.  So many of my classmates chose NY, but it just doesn't make sense.  Most firms here, as you know, are 160K a year now, and you work about 20 hours a week less here it seems.  You can't beat that.  Plus, cost of living is significantly lower, so more money and less hours.  Its such a fun city to be in too...

Good luck in the remaining callbacks.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: GA-fan on September 22, 2007, 06:08:32 AM
This is exactly my argument for Atlanta over DC  :D You work 50-55 hours a week for 15K less in a lower COL area. But to each his own.
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: KrazyNazi on September 22, 2007, 08:13:01 AM
people going to TTT schools (everyone posting on this thread, except me) is not going to get jobs.  TTT and jobs are mutually exclusive, in computers science they call this "MuTex". 
People who are feminine hygiene product bags (no one on this thread, except you) are going to suck at life.  Congratulations!

Oh yeah?  I guess people from TTT school like yours always go on to become court of appeals clerks, judges and biglaw partners.  Tell me which TTT do you go to so I can transfer out of Yale. 
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: beastie on September 22, 2007, 08:27:55 AM
i will weigh in here.  28 oci's.  9 rejections, 0 callbacks.

top 10 school.  just a HAIR below the mean gpa.  no journal.  strong public service-oriented resume.  actually, working in the public sector is what i want to do, but thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to work at a firm this summer so as not to foreclose any possibilities for myself.

my friends all have callbacks and it is quite demoralizing.  no flamers (that's what they're called, right?) please; i just want to know if anybody else is in a similar situation.  should i just give up on the idea of working for a big firm over the summer?

This is a pure flame.  You would have received some callback even if you applied to only the top 28 firms and did terrible at all of your initial interviews.  The reason, initial interviews simply does not matter very much.  I forgot about my interview with a firm (V15) and still received a callback from them. 

i'm probably not going to be able to convince you that this isn't flame, but think about it like this:  i only applied to new york and dc firms.  these are the two markets that most people at my school applied to. this means i'm competing with people who are on journals, have better grades than me, have a clue or two about what goes on in a big firm, *and*  go to a top 10 school.

anyway, i really appreciate that most people who replied gave me intelligent and respectful feedback. i know my questions to the firms probably weren't intelligent-- like i say, i have no idea of what people do in a big firm, and i was adamantly opposed to the idea of working for one until this past summer, when i saw first hand how quickly public interest lawyers burn out.  i honestly had a difficult time distinguishing one firm from another.

it's occurred to me that the problem is my interviewing skills. my interviews didn't feel particularly awkward, but my personality is introverted and a little quirky, and it's possible that this came out. 

thanks again everybody.  i might try applying to smaller firms in smaller markets, or i might just give up and do public interest all the way.  who knows.

I've been on the other side of the table for some time now, and it sounds to me as if you are giving out the impression that you are not really interested in firm work.  Having all public service on your resume is not the kiss of death (that was all I had on my resume as well, including a few years of it before ever going to law school), but it helps to have some reason for wanting to go to work for a firm instead of a public service organization.  Otherwise you just seem directionless.  What reason have you been giving?  Also, if you are having a hard time keeping firms straight, I would recommend reading a quick description of the firm you are interviewing with right before the interview and thinking about how you can spin your interests to fit with the firm's practice, style, etc.  Especially if you are an on the fence interviewee, you do not want to come off as directionless and clueless, and a little research will help address that problem.

Also, while there are lots of similarities across firms, it's not the case that they are all the same.  There are in fact cultural and work style differences across them that do matter over time.  The difficulty is in figuring out how much thosee differences will matter to you, and it is often very hard to know as a law student which style is going to work for you. 
Title: Re: The Waiting Game - Callbacks and Rejections?
Post by: P-Dinelaw on September 25, 2007, 02:11:55 AM
people going to TTT schools (everyone posting on this thread, except me) is not going to get jobs.  TTT and jobs are mutually exclusive, in computers science they call this "MuTex". 
People who are feminine hygiene product bags (no one on this thread, except you) are going to suck at life.  Congratulations!

Oh yeah?  I guess people from TTT school like yours always go on to become court of appeals clerks, judges and biglaw partners.  Tell me which TTT do you go to so I can transfer out of Yale. 
Are you too retarded to figure it out from my name?