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Title: Contracts
Post by: juliemccoy on September 04, 2007, 08:27:05 AM
Does anyone have any advice for Contracts? I think that of all of my classes, this will be the one to give me the most problems. I have a copy of the hornbook keyed to my text, as well as the E&E. I guess my biggest concern is knowing what will be relevant... Are requirements K's really going to come up on an exam, or is it more the principle of good faith? Hope this makes sense! Thanks!
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: 1LMan on September 04, 2007, 10:24:09 AM
Just roll through and learn the process.  It will all come together at the end.  Pay attention to what falls under the UCC and what falls under common law.  In the end, you will learn that the countless numbers of cases you read matter little when exam time comes, but it's all part of the process that is learning to think like a lawyer.

Good luck!  You will do fine.
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: vaplaugh on September 04, 2007, 10:25:22 AM
tag.  Contracts seems like the most difficult class for me too.
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: WhiteyEMSR on September 04, 2007, 10:48:04 AM
Contracts was the class that gave me the most problems, at least at first. We started with damages, and I thought I was a dead man. As the semester moved forward and with some help from E&E, I actually started to understand what the hell was going on. A small part of me, albeit a small part, actually started to enjoy the class. I ended up with a good grade. I think you'll be fine. Everyone struggles. Everyone's confused.

And like a prior poster said, things eventually start to come together. Good luck!
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: dandlewood on September 04, 2007, 12:09:51 PM
Uh... as far as 1L goes, I'd have to say I'd put contracts on the fun side of the scale.  Do you find Civ. Pro. to be easier? I certainly didn't.
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: 1LMan on September 04, 2007, 12:39:19 PM
The thing with civ pro is it is all very mechanical.  You follow the rules, then apply them.  Contracts is a more straight up law school type thinking class.  You have issues that can go either way (i.e. UCC or common law) and then you have to make the argument.  It's all about issue spotting.

For Civ. Pro., you generally know the issues up front and just have to analyze them and apply the rules.
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: dandlewood on September 04, 2007, 01:27:56 PM
That makes it sound simple, and I'm not saying you're too far off. I suppose it depends on how your brain works.  Issue spotting doesn't seem to difficult to me, but the mass memorization involved to be able to get to applicable statutes in civ pro was a pain. 
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: brightline on September 04, 2007, 02:39:46 PM
Contracts was probably my favorite subject 1L year. I aced it both semesters.

Anyway, any type of contract you cover in class is fair game for the exam. My exam covered a lot of material and multiple types of contracts.

I used Casenotes legal briefs, Emanuel's, and the Examples and Explanations for class along with an assigned supplement for the Restatement 2d of Contracts and the UCC. My roommate who is a 1L was assigned a crappy supplement that doesn't show enough of the Restatement 2d of Contracts, which is the crux of common law contracts. I highly suggest you order a copy with comments and the illustrations rather than sticking with the crummy stripped down supp. if that's what your prof assigned.

https://www.iiblp.org/cart/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=1778

Above is the link to purchase the Restatement 2d of Contracts supp I was assigned and recommend.

Alternately, you can access the full restatement of contracts and the full UCC on lexis nexis but that's kind of pain and not very manageable...too hard to navigate online.

One more tip: make sure you only study the version of Article 2 of the UCC your prof assigns. Many profs don't teach revised Article 2 because not many states have adopted. In my class, we stuck exclusively to "old / unrevised" article 2.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: bigfatbox on September 04, 2007, 03:43:22 PM
The FRCPs have a mechanical aspect to them.

However, jurisdiction is far from mechanical. Not all schools cover jurisdiction in civ pro though.



The thing with civ pro is it is all very mechanical.  You follow the rules, then apply them.  Contracts is a more straight up law school type thinking class.  You have issues that can go either way (i.e. UCC or common law) and then you have to make the argument.  It's all about issue spotting.

For Civ. Pro., you generally know the issues up front and just have to analyze them and apply the rules.
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: 1LMan on September 05, 2007, 05:31:25 AM
The FRCPs have a mechanical aspect to them.

However, jurisdiction is far from mechanical. Not all schools cover jurisdiction in civ pro though.



The thing with civ pro is it is all very mechanical.  You follow the rules, then apply them.  Contracts is a more straight up law school type thinking class.  You have issues that can go either way (i.e. UCC or common law) and then you have to make the argument.  It's all about issue spotting.

For Civ. Pro., you generally know the issues up front and just have to analyze them and apply the rules.


I disagree.  Jurisdiction is also very mechanical.  You simply are required to apply the appropriate tests.  Sure, there is some grey area, but that is law school.  At the end of the day I think that Civ. Pro. is definitely more mechanical than any of the other first year courses.
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: Tuttipoopoo on September 06, 2007, 01:14:58 AM
tag.  what's the best commercial outline for Ks?  my prof has never taught this class before at my school so i can't ask any older people
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: LVP on September 06, 2007, 03:14:13 AM
tag.  what's the best commercial outline for Ks?  my prof has never taught this class before at my school so i can't ask any older people
The best outline for Ks is the one you make.

The best commercial outline?  I couldn't possibly know.
Title: Re: Contracts
Post by: Burning Sands on September 06, 2007, 02:24:48 PM
Does anyone have any advice for Contracts? I think that of all of my classes, this will be the one to give me the most problems. I have a copy of the hornbook keyed to my text, as well as the E&E. I guess my biggest concern is knowing what will be relevant... Are requirements K's really going to come up on an exam, or is it more the principle of good faith? Hope this makes sense! Thanks!


I can honestly say that Contracts made no friggin sense until I studied it for the bar exam.  It was one of those classes that never really quite "came together" at the end like people said it would.  At the end I was still like "OK so what is a contract?"

The E&E is great for Contracts.  It is probably the reason why I didn't fail the class during 1L.  But what really brought it all together were the multiple choice questions in the PMBR book for bar review.  If you have a chance, I would HIGHLY recommend getting your hands on the big red PMBR book, and the blue book that is about 1/2 the size of the red book.  You get both if you sign up for PMBR and put down your deposit. If you know somebody who just took the bar, they'll probably give it to you for free just to get it out of their sight. 

There are 200 multiple choice questions on each subject (property, torts, contracts, etc.) and the questions are crafted in a way that test the nuances of each subject, so that by the end, you will actually understand contracts (or whatever subject you're trying to learn for that matter).  I wouldn't use it to learn the material (should learn from your professor & the E&E) but rather as a clarifier for when you have actually covered the material at least once.

Like I said, I didn't quite understand Contracts 100% after I took my Contracts exam, but after going through the bar prep multiple choice books, it has become very clear.