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Title: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: JD_LawSchool on July 14, 2007, 07:26:14 PM
I am an incoming 1L.  I just wanted to post some questions for the veterans who have already gotten 1L summer jobs.  1.  When should you start sending out resumes for a 1L summer job? 
2.  What are some ideal government jobs (DOJ, City Attorney, Public Defender, US Attorney)? 
3.  Are they usually on a volunteer basis/unpaid?
4.  Is it easier to get a job with the government that private practice?
5.  Would it be advisable to also take summer classes while working?

***Any more FAQ's, just add them on***
Thanks....
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: JD_LawSchool on July 14, 2007, 07:34:51 PM
Another question that popped into my head post initial post...lol...say that five times fast..Anyway, is the job search done through your school or is it done on your own?  Will the college of law have postings?  Or do I just look up online and start mailing out resumes?
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: Strong on July 14, 2007, 07:56:46 PM
1) Dec. 1st for NALP firms, varies for other types (depending on whether you want to include grades)
2) The best jobs give you the most substantive legal experience. Most that you listed would be good.
3) Most 1L's do work on a volunteer basis. Some get paid hourly; a very lucky few get 1L Biglaw gigs that pay well.
4) Government might be easier, judicial internship's are easier to come by than a big firm.
5) It depends on whether you have time, but yes. If you can get some hours knocked out without hindering your work schedule.
6) You do both. Career services, personal research and networking. You can try lawcrossing and sites like NALP directory and Martindale. Mass-mailing increases your chances. I mailed 86 to land two 6-week gigs.

 
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: JD_LawSchool on July 14, 2007, 11:25:06 PM
very cool..thank you for the advice...
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: JD_LawSchool on July 16, 2007, 12:32:52 PM
Finding the mailing addresses for county and circuit court judges has proven a more difficult task than i once thought.  I have found the address to the main court house but thats about it; does each judge have a different mailing adress?  Or can I address all the envelopes to the main court address with just attention to the each specific judge on each different envelope.  I have also found some email addresses, but i would think that would be to informal - plus I am sure their assistants read the emails anyway. 
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: JD_LawSchool on July 16, 2007, 12:33:52 PM
Also, what would a typical letter to a potential employer/judge entail?  Any format that tends to be the norm?
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: jacy85 on July 16, 2007, 12:56:32 PM
Finding the mailing addresses for county and circuit court judges has proven a more difficult task than i once thought.  I have found the address to the main court house but thats about it; does each judge have a different mailing adress?  Or can I address all the envelopes to the main court address with just attention to the each specific judge on each different envelope.  I have also found some email addresses, but i would think that would be to informal - plus I am sure their assistants read the emails anyway. 

Why are you looking for addresses to judges now?  Many don't hire 1L interns until spring.  BigLaw is really the only employer you should be looking for addresses now, since they're the only resumes you need to get out the door on Dec. 1 to have a shot.

I'm not sure about sending things to the main courthouse.  You should probably wait on this and ask career services once you start school.  They probably have a list of local and state judges already put together.
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: TPS Report on July 16, 2007, 12:58:33 PM
What do applications for biglaw firms say?  I mean, on Dec. 1st no one has their grades or has even taken finals.  Do you just use your college resume and hope your school's name has enough pull?
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: JD_LawSchool on July 16, 2007, 01:06:49 PM
I had the same thought.  I wasn't making a list of judges and addresses, I was just browsing the website.  Not sure if this is odd, but I think I would rather clerk or volunteer in a judicial manner than work in a private practice.  That being said, what is an efficient way to research law firms (esp. big law firms) in your desired area.  Any specific websites?
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: scarlett on July 16, 2007, 01:07:12 PM
What do applications for biglaw firms say?  I mean, on Dec. 1st no one has their grades or has even taken finals.  Do you just use your college resume and hope your school's name has enough pull?

This is when it pays to be a non-trad. ;)
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: TPS Report on July 16, 2007, 01:31:52 PM
What do applications for biglaw firms say?  I mean, on Dec. 1st no one has their grades or has even taken finals.  Do you just use your college resume and hope your school's name has enough pull?

This is when it pays to be a non-trad. ;)


Dang.
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: Gwiz on July 16, 2007, 02:14:49 PM
What do applications for biglaw firms say?  I mean, on Dec. 1st no one has their grades or has even taken finals.  Do you just use your college resume and hope your school's name has enough pull?

This is when it pays to be a non-trad. ;)
Garbage man does not impress... ;)


Anyway, I heard that some of them wait until grades come out before making a decision.  They expect follow up mailings with grades etc.

I'm a Non-trad too... Garbage collector of the month ;D.
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: jarhead on July 16, 2007, 02:23:25 PM
What do applications for biglaw firms say?  I mean, on Dec. 1st no one has their grades or has even taken finals.  Do you just use your college resume and hope your school's name has enough pull?

This is when it pays to be a non-trad. ;)


 ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: vaplaugh on September 03, 2007, 08:22:16 AM
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Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: emtjp1028 on September 04, 2007, 09:29:54 AM
Don't send out resumes until your grades have come out for the first semester.  Even if you mention that you'll follow up with the grades when they arrive, most firms will have already sent you a rejection letter....
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: jacy85 on September 04, 2007, 04:10:13 PM
Don't send out resumes until your grades have come out for the first semester.  Even if you mention that you'll follow up with the grades when they arrive, most firms will have already sent you a rejection letter....

Worst advice EVER.  I did this, and did not get a firm job after 1L (everything worked out though, I loved my summer job).  The only people I know who got well-paying firm jobs were those who sent out resumes in early December.

DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS ADVICE.
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: kulrythm on September 05, 2007, 08:55:57 PM
So, how do firms differentiate between applicants who have no law school grades?  Are you supposed to apply and then send your first semester grades when you get them in January or February?  Do give you an offer without even looking at your grades?  If so, what are they looking at?  Past work experience?  Undergrad?
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: jacy85 on September 06, 2007, 04:10:55 AM
They look at your undergrad school and gpa, your law school, your work experience.  "Soft" factors play a large role.  Some people like giving interviews to the best local school, or to their alma mater.  This gets you in the door.  I think the most important thing as a 1L is the interview.

And 1L grades to matter a lot; most firms will interview 1Ls, but then wait to see their grades before they extend an offer.

People get this order wrong, and think grades come first, then interviews, etc.  With big firms, however, by the time grades come out, all the other 1Ls who have interviewed already, and sent grades in last will already be receiving the spots available.
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: broken on September 07, 2007, 06:17:18 PM
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Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: emtjp1028 on September 11, 2007, 08:38:22 AM
Jacy, first, not everyone gets a firm job after 1L.  That's life.  Second, did the people you know who sent out resumes before their grades came in receive rejection letters prior to the arrival of their grades?
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: emtjp1028 on September 11, 2007, 08:40:59 AM
I forgot to mention.  I'm not talking about small city firm jobs.  Of course, local firms may look at local students resumes without grades and wait for them to arrive.  Try sending out resumes without grades to a big market and see what kind of response you'd get!
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: jacy85 on September 11, 2007, 04:58:22 PM
Jacy, first, not everyone gets a firm job after 1L.  That's life.  Second, did the people you know who sent out resumes before their grades came in receive rejection letters prior to the arrival of their grades?

I never once suggested that everyone does get a firm job after 1L, and if you think I did, then you are reading things into my post that aren't there.

Furthermore, my comment (that your advice was crap) was directed toward looking for a firm job because that is the direction the thread went.
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: GA-fan on September 25, 2007, 08:39:28 AM
Don't send out resumes until your grades have come out for the first semester.  Even if you mention that you'll follow up with the grades when they arrive, most firms will have already sent you a rejection letter....

This is awful advice. By the time you get grades at the end of january, most of the biglaw jobs will be GONE. You can interviews without grades.
Title: Re: Incoming 1L Job FAQ's
Post by: Lawbster on September 25, 2007, 09:04:50 AM
Don't send out resumes until your grades have come out for the first semester.  Even if you mention that you'll follow up with the grades when they arrive, most firms will have already sent you a rejection letter....

EXCELLENT advice. 99% of firms just tell you to reapply when grades come out. What's differentiating you from everyone else applying in December? Basically, you have a resume that says 'Expected JD Class of 20XX'

I got a big law job in Washington, DC by applying after grades came out and most of my friends did, too. The people who did send out resumes in December occasionally got an offer, but very few, if any, to big law.

Take it from someone who got a big law job 1L summer: Just wait, apply in Feb. and let your grades speak for themselves.