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Title: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: MiamiLaw on July 14, 2007, 03:06:09 PM
I honestly can't wait.  :D For the first time in my life, I'm going to be learning about what really interests and excites me, and only that.  Although political science was fairly interesting in college, the law based political science classes were fairly rare at my school, and the non-law ones I found to be pretty boring.  I know it's going to be hard but I honestly don't care. I'm not gonna waste my life doing something easy and not challenging that anyone could do, I want to challenge myself and do something that will take a lot of effort. I'm almost counting down the days before I start.  ;D
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: TPS Report on July 14, 2007, 03:16:11 PM
The days are creeping by so slowly!
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: bobbykurva on July 14, 2007, 03:23:02 PM
Enjoy the time for as long as you can - being a 1L, although interesting, is by no means enjoyable.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: tortfeasor111 on July 14, 2007, 05:53:42 PM
Enjoy the time for as long as you can - being a 1L, although interesting, is by no means enjoyable.

TITCR
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: RobWreck on July 15, 2007, 07:58:17 AM
For me, scared and excited are in a neck-and-neck race. The photo finish may have excited win by a nose, but right now it's pretty hard to call.
Rob
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: coquita on July 15, 2007, 02:48:27 PM
I'd like to see how excited you are about school around November. Or in April. Keep us updated.

It's kinds sad to see the light and hope crushed out of law students eyes when the reality of law school hits. This happened to those around me in November. By April people were talking about dropping out and crying left and right, and popping pills to stay up and study.

My advice is to know why you are in law school and what life goals you have set for yourself and look to those when you are feeling down. I saw a few people just give up around March and I think that was the saddest thing I witnessed during 1L.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: MiamiLaw on July 15, 2007, 03:00:06 PM
I'd like to see how excited you are about school around November. Or in April. Keep us updated.

It's kinds sad to see the light and hope crushed out of law students eyes when the reality of law school hits. This happened to those around me in November. By April people were talking about dropping out and crying left and right, and popping pills to stay up and study.

My advice is to know why you are in law school and what life goals you have set for yourself and look to those when you are feeling down. I saw a few people just give up around March and I think that was the saddest thing I witnessed during 1L.

what exactly makes people want to cry and drop out about it? I can't seem to understand .
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: coquita on July 15, 2007, 03:02:49 PM
Not having a social life. Never feeling like your are "ahead" in school {there's always something else to do}, burning out in general. In my 2nd semester we had a crazy professor no one could understand who basically tortured students mentally when they were on call. We also had a professor that assigned 160 pgs of reading a week. And then we had a two week take home exam in the midst of all this. People just wanted to give up out of sheer exhaustion. It can be depressing if you don't set aside time to be a normal person instead of a law student.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: MiamiLaw on July 15, 2007, 05:11:39 PM
Not having a social life. Never feeling like your are "ahead" in school {there's always something else to do}, burning out in general. In my 2nd semester we had a crazy professor no one could understand who basically tortured students mentally when they were on call. We also had a professor that assigned 160 pgs of reading a week. And then we had a two week take home exam in the midst of all this. People just wanted to give up out of sheer exhaustion. It can be depressing if you don't set aside time to be a normal person instead of a law student.

yea, but doesn't knowing that 1L is the worst, and once you get through that it isn't the same enough movitation to just get through it? Everyone I have spoken to told me 1L is the worst, and after that it gets a lot better.  I'm also hoping that regular gym visits, and occasional bar nights will help me keep balanced.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: coquita on July 15, 2007, 05:59:32 PM
Yea, until you talk to the 2L's that say that the "everything gets better" is a lie. You know how to handle the workload better, but things do not ease up. And by April it doesn't matter what people say...it gets hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: jacy85 on July 15, 2007, 06:06:04 PM
Not having a social life. Never feeling like your are "ahead" in school {there's always something else to do}, burning out in general. In my 2nd semester we had a crazy professor no one could understand who basically tortured students mentally when they were on call. We also had a professor that assigned 160 pgs of reading a week. And then we had a two week take home exam in the midst of all this. People just wanted to give up out of sheer exhaustion. It can be depressing if you don't set aside time to be a normal person instead of a law student.

yea, but doesn't knowing that 1L is the worst, and once you get through that it isn't the same enough movitation to just get through it? Everyone I have spoken to told me 1L is the worst, and after that it gets a lot better.  I'm also hoping that regular gym visits, and occasional bar nights will help me keep balanced.

1L is NOT the worst.  2L sucks even more.  Most people still haven't really recovered from 1L.  Job interviewing is, to say the least, stressful.  Class isn't really less work, but at least it seems a little less since you've finished climbing the learning curve of 1L (this is probably the only good thing about 2L).  Add on cite checking and comment writing for journal, or brief writing and hours of practice for moot court, and 2L quickly saps whatever life you had left from 1L or recovered from the summer.

I'm not sure who's going around telling 1Ls the lie that it all gets better, but every 2L or 3L I talked to told me the truth, and I simply refused to listen.  I couldn't see how anything could be worse than 1L.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: jimmyjohn on July 15, 2007, 06:33:37 PM
I honestly can't wait.  :D For the first time in my life, I'm going to be learning about what really interests and excites me, and only that.  Although political science was fairly interesting in college, the law based political science classes were fairly rare at my school, and the non-law ones I found to be pretty boring.  I know it's going to be hard but I honestly don't care. I'm not gonna waste my life doing something easy and not challenging that anyone could do, I want to challenge myself and do something that will take a lot of effort. I'm almost counting down the days before I start.  ;D

You are incorrectly asuming that every second of law school is going to be the most thrilling experience of your life.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  For instance, there is no way that civil procedure could really be interesting to anyone.  Although a very important class (probably the most important in terms of what lawyers do on a daily basis) the material is just hoplessly dry. 

You're not the first to be overly excited about law school.  In the end, nearly every student comes out jaded at least a litle bit.  This includes those who say they enjoyed the experience.  Your outlook on the legal system and the world around you just changes dramatically.  You'll look back in a year and wonder how you could be so simple minded about law school.  I'm not criticizing you, but merely pointing out the naivete that runs rampant among pre-laws. 
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: Strong on July 15, 2007, 06:48:18 PM
I was the same way before 1L asking about all the supplements and hornbooks.

Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: MiamiLaw on July 15, 2007, 07:39:09 PM
I honestly can't wait.  :D For the first time in my life, I'm going to be learning about what really interests and excites me, and only that.  Although political science was fairly interesting in college, the law based political science classes were fairly rare at my school, and the non-law ones I found to be pretty boring.  I know it's going to be hard but I honestly don't care. I'm not gonna waste my life doing something easy and not challenging that anyone could do, I want to challenge myself and do something that will take a lot of effort. I'm almost counting down the days before I start.  ;D

You are incorrectly asuming that every second of law school is going to be the most thrilling experience of your life.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  For instance, there is no way that civil procedure could really be interesting to anyone.  Although a very important class (probably the most important in terms of what lawyers do on a daily basis) the material is just hoplessly dry. 

You're not the first to be overly excited about law school.  In the end, nearly every student comes out jaded at least a litle bit.  This includes those who say they enjoyed the experience.  Your outlook on the legal system and the world around you just changes dramatically.  You'll look back in a year and wonder how you could be so simple minded about law school.  I'm not criticizing you, but merely pointing out the naivete that runs rampant among pre-laws. 

I don't mean to sound naive and moronic, but what exactly do you learn in Civil Procedure that makes it so dry and boring? I'm asking this becuase I have heard from a lot of people the same as you are claiming.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: JD_LawSchool on July 15, 2007, 07:57:48 PM
I have a cocktail of excitement, fear, anxiety, pressure, & hope.  When you mix it 20/15/25/10/30 you have a drink I call the "0L Summer Special"
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: jacy85 on July 15, 2007, 08:01:57 PM
Here's an analogy to show why civil procedure is boring, at least until you get into practice (and even then, it's still probably boring).

Compare it to a medical student who wants to learn how to perform surgery and examine patients, but instead has to spend 4-6 hours a week learning how to file insurance claims properly and make sure medical files are kept in order.

I didn't hate all of civ pro, but compared to other subjects, at times it can be as exciting as watching paint dry.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: Blunderbuss on July 15, 2007, 09:27:15 PM
I am a 2L.  I can't wait to get back to school!
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: lawgirl442 on July 15, 2007, 11:27:27 PM
Am I incorrect in thinking that this probably varies a lot by school?  For example, I'm going to UVA, and none of the 1Ls that I met (I visited during "exam season") seemed all that jaded.  They were stressed out, definitely, but most of them said that they genuinely enjoyed the challenge of 1L. 

I have a friend who is a 3L at Northwestern who says he envies me because he really enjoyed being a 1L.  And I'm *certain* he wasn't being sarcastic.

I obviously don't really know what I'm talking about, since I haven't done it yet, but it seems like it would vary based on school, achievement (let's face it, you're probably going to feel better about your experience if you finish with grades you can be proud of), and personality.  I enjoy studying and learning, and while I absolutely expect that I'm going to get stressed out to the point of exhaustion, I also expect that I'll meet a lot of awesomely intelligent people and be intellectually challenged and stimulated. 
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: denk on July 15, 2007, 11:57:50 PM
Yep - totally looking forward to it.  I have a theory that my background and experience in computer science is great prep for "thinking like a lawyer".  I actually believe I already do!  We'll see...
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: jacy85 on July 16, 2007, 04:35:38 AM
Am I incorrect in thinking that this probably varies a lot by school?  For example, I'm going to UVA, and none of the 1Ls that I met (I visited during "exam season") seemed all that jaded.  They were stressed out, definitely, but most of them said that they genuinely enjoyed the challenge of 1L. 

From what I know, this doesn't really vary by school all that much; the 1Ls few people I know at UVA felt the same way.  It's possible that for some of the 1Ls you spoke with wanted to sell their school, or simply didn't want to turn you off by moaning about how much 1L sucks.  It is possible that some of them "enjoyed the challenge of 1L" but that doesn't mean they're not burned out.

I have a friend who is a 3L at Northwestern who says he envies me because he really enjoyed being a 1L.  And I'm *certain* he wasn't being sarcastic.

As for your 3L friend, well, all I can say is that everything looks better after you've survived it.  I can say now that I enjoyed 1L in some ways, and that overall, I really like law school.  But would I choose to relive it all again?  Hell no!   :D
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: xferlawstudent on July 16, 2007, 07:24:41 AM
I disagree with many of the posters on this thread.  I'm a 3L now and I really enjoyed 1L (even Civ Pro). 

1L is difficult.  The worst part of it is dealing with the uncertainty/insecurity that flows from a new type of education unlike any program that you've previously experienced and the stress of having only one exam determine your grade.

Legal Research/Writing is a pain, but even that can be interesting.

You will spend a lot of time studying (probably more than you ever have) and some days near the end of the semester will be irritating as the professor continues to hide the ball as the exam nears, but it is not that bad.

I studied for a few hours every day, went to the gym nearly every day and went out drinking or some other free time one night every week (except during finals).

Law School can be very managable and even fun.

The single best advice I can give is to treat it like a job rather than school.  You will read other posts throughout this board giving the same advice.  I believe it is the best thing you can do to increase the odds of a successful 1L year.

Recognize that it will be difficult, but don't be intimidated.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: Jen2bJD on July 31, 2007, 05:56:01 PM
I'm excited! I don't feel like it is in a blind, stars-in-my-eyes kind of way either. I get that LS is very hard, but think of all the people who have come before us and gotten through law school too.  I think it is doable. :)
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: Strong on July 31, 2007, 06:51:33 PM
You will all regret it after starting around Thanksgiving, thats when the anxiety, insomnia, and depression set in.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: juliemccoy on August 01, 2007, 08:18:08 AM
I am a OL who is not looking forward to law school. I am looking forward to working and making money again in 3 years once this whole experience is over. I hate the idea of not working, I hate the debt and I hate the idea of being surrounded by 22 year olds. But I want to be a lawyer and I am excited about that. 
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: hoping 1L isnt Hell on August 01, 2007, 01:57:18 PM
I am very ready for school.  I quit my first job and took a paralegal job the two years before starting and now more than ever, I am ready to start practicing myself. 

I have help write appelant briefs, seen Civ Pro in action, and seem to have a basic understanding of legal concepts.  I want to learn more.  Other than reading some E & E books, school is where I can do it.

I also love the fact that all of my 2L and 3L friends tell me how hard it will be, how much I will hate it, etc.  That makes me want to almost prove them wrong.

Yes, I am sure this thought wont stay with me long, but its a long journey and I am ready to start it.

Good luck to all 1Ls, 2Ls, 3Ls and anyone studying for the Bar.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: littlelisalaw on August 01, 2007, 03:55:39 PM
You will all regret it after starting around Thanksgiving, thats when the anxiety, insomnia, and depression set in.

LOL.  I guess for those of us old folks who already have insomnia, this is nothing new.  ;)
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: Sparkz1920 on August 01, 2007, 04:26:02 PM
Im ready and excited


And scared at the same time

Scared i wont understand

Im lazy, but i can get over that as long as i understand the material being put in my face. I can study all day til im blue in the face doing notes, outlines, and reading, so long as i understand the material

Thats what really scares me

Im scared i wont even get to enjoy thanksgiving break in New Orleans either. But if i cant, oh well
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: jd06 on August 01, 2007, 04:36:01 PM
Im ready and excited


And scared at the same time

Scared i wont understand

Im lazy, but i can get over that as long as i understand the material being put in my face. I can study all day til im blue in the face doing notes, outlines, and reading, so long as i understand the material

Thats what really scares me

Im scared i wont even get to enjoy thanksgiving break in New Orleans either. But if i cant, oh well

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised Sparkz.  Most of the material, quite frankly, isn't that difficult to understand because it's borne out of hundreds of years of real world conflict.  You'll "get it."  The difficult part is learning to manage the sheer volume of information that you'll need to stuff into your brain.   






Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: Sparkz1920 on August 01, 2007, 04:50:14 PM
Im ready and excited


And scared at the same time

Scared i wont understand

Im lazy, but i can get over that as long as i understand the material being put in my face. I can study all day til im blue in the face doing notes, outlines, and reading, so long as i understand the material

Thats what really scares me

Im scared i wont even get to enjoy thanksgiving break in New Orleans either. But if i cant, oh well

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised Sparkz.  Most of the material, quite frankly, isn't that difficult to understand because it's borne out of hundreds of years of real world conflict.  You'll "get it."  The difficult part is learning to manage the sheer volume of information that you'll need to stuff into your brain.   









I see. Thats more at ease for me then

But yes, all that info and stuffing it scares me, but as long as i understand it, i just gotta keep upo throughout the semester for that final exam at the end.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: Eva Destruction on August 02, 2007, 06:45:41 AM
I am very excited. 

And like everyone else, I'm a little scared.  It's a big commitment. It's going to be difficult. And I think we are all wondering if it'll be worth it and if we'll succeed.

Once we get started with our classes I think I'll be excited and overwhelmed.

When exams are close, I'll be excited and scared again.

After 1st semester grades, I think it'll be a little easier. At least I'll have been through it once.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: jacy85 on August 02, 2007, 07:59:36 AM
You will most likely NOT be excited anymore once exams hit.  The "excited and overwhelmed" stage quickly turns into the "overwhelmed, overworked and terrified" stage.
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: jd06 on August 02, 2007, 08:04:04 AM
You will most likely NOT be excited anymore once exams hit.  The "excited and overwhelmed" stage quickly turns into the "overwhelmed, overworked and terrified" stage.

*lol*  Yeah, preparing for and taking law school examinations is unequivocally NOT exciting.   ;)
Title: Re: How many OL's are excited to start school?
Post by: ohiostatelaw on August 02, 2007, 07:16:31 PM
I'm very nervous.