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Title: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Law Geek on June 21, 2007, 10:15:57 AM
I just finished in the top 1% of a Tier4 law school. my ranking is #9/ 560. my 1st semester GPA was a 3.53, second semester, 4.0. this brings me to 3.77 overall GPA for my 1L. the grade curve is a C. I made moot court and have won a book award for legal research and writing. i applied for transfer to some top schools, such as cornell, bu, and bc. i had an awful LSAT grade (won't even mention it here) but my UGPA was 3.8.  what do you think my chances are of making such a huge leap? 
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: brightline on June 21, 2007, 11:24:17 AM
Apply to more schools. The schools you mentioned don't take that many transfers. Apply to schools that take a lot of transfers, like Columbia, NYU, or Georgetown for example.

Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: lawsuperstar on June 21, 2007, 11:25:54 AM
I think you've got a great shot at BC & BU.  I was top 5% at a T4 ranked 22/500ish and was accepted to both BC & BU as a transfer student.  My LSAT was respectable, 157 and my undergrad gpa was around a 3.3.  My personal opinion is that schools look at your class rank and that's about it.  With your rank you'll have no problem.  If you want to work in Boston I would suggest going to BC or BU over Cornell, but if you want to more options to work anywhere Cornell is a much better choice.
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Law Geek on June 21, 2007, 12:02:25 PM
Thank you both for your inputs !
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Law Geek on June 22, 2007, 02:23:07 PM
hm, 190 views so far and no one else has thoughts/comments/experiences to share on this topic?
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Sepatown on June 22, 2007, 06:45:43 PM
hm, 190 views so far and no one else has thoughts/comments/experiences to share on this topic?
Transferring from Cooley won't take you very far. Hope to God for Toledo and apply to MSU as a back up.
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: brightline on June 22, 2007, 07:59:30 PM
Geek,

Is it true you're at Cooley? If so, you may suffer some "Cooley Prejudice" in the transfer process.

Anyway, if you are at Cooley, I would definitely recommend applying to lots of schools. Basically, you should apply to any school you like from #10 on down to number #45 or so, say that is in a location you like and that takes a decent amount of transfers. If you focus just on schools like Cornell that only take a handful of transfers, you are likely to be very disappointed with your results.

In general I don't think transferring to a tier 2/tier 3 is worth it, unless you can get in-state tuition there. However, if you are dying to get out of Cooley, you may want to consider 2-3 safety schools.

Bottom line: apply to more schools!
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Law Geek on June 22, 2007, 09:19:16 PM
I'm not at Cooley guys. Does it make a difference though? These tier 4 schools, although they have a bad rep, also have the rep that they intensively weed out the real students from the bad ones, due to the strict C curves. wouldnt that work in my favor?
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: brightline on June 22, 2007, 10:06:00 PM
The schools should take into account the curve at your school when evaluating your GPA. Does that mean they will take you over a T1 or T2 transfer applicant with similar grades / rank? Of course not.

Luckily your rank is high. The problem is, you only told us you applied to 3 schools, none of which take a boatload of transfers. That means you may get in, or you may not.

The only way to increase your chances at this point is to apply to more schools. You'll have to ask yourself, what's worse, staying at my school or paying some more app fees?

Look at the lsac / aba guide for info on how many transfers a school took last year.

As for the curve, I doubt it's a strict C curve (i.e. 2.0) because that would mean 50% of your classmates flunk out after first year. It's probably more like a 2.5-2.7.

If your school is newer, or provisionally accredited, or one of the worst in the country (i.e. Cooley, Southern, Tex Southern, UDC,etc.) you might have major problems.

Is there anything else in your background that might help you ? For example, did you do undergrad or grad school somewhere that has a top law school you want to transfer to? That might help a little.



Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Lawbster on June 22, 2007, 11:20:31 PM
I just finished in the top 1% of a Tier4 law school. my ranking is #9/ 560. my 1st semester GPA was a 3.53, second semester, 4.0. this brings me to 3.77 overall GPA for my 1L. the grade curve is a C. I made moot court and have won a book award for legal research and writing. i applied for transfer to some top schools, such as cornell, bu, and bc. i had an awful LSAT grade (won't even mention it here) but my UGPA was 3.8.  what do you think my chances are of making such a huge leap? 

You finished in the top 1% but finished with a rank of 9/560?
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Sepatown on June 24, 2007, 01:20:04 PM
I just finished in the top 1% of a Tier4 law school. my ranking is #9/ 560. my 1st semester GPA was a 3.53, second semester, 4.0. this brings me to 3.77 overall GPA for my 1L. the grade curve is a C. I made moot court and have won a book award for legal research and writing. i applied for transfer to some top schools, such as cornell, bu, and bc. i had an awful LSAT grade (won't even mention it here) but my UGPA was 3.8.  what do you think my chances are of making such a huge leap? 

You finished in the top 1% but finished with a rank of 9/560?


YOU EITHER GO TO COOLEY AND F'ED UP CHANGING THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF STUDENTS OR YOU'RE JUST STUPID. YOU ARE IN THE TOP 2% BUT THAT WOULD BE GAY TO SAY, JUST SAY YOUR RANK WHICH IS 9/1560 WHCIH IS TOP 1% WHICH IS COOLEY. OR YOU GO TO WIDENER OR FCSL AND F'ED UP THOSE NUMBERS, TOO. YOU'RE LYING IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Law Geek on June 24, 2007, 08:16:29 PM
I go to FCSL for your information ! I did not "f" up my rank #s as you say ! if you divide 9 by 559 and multiply it by 100, you get 1.6. I did not  round it off to 2%. i'm not sure whether schools do so or not. which ever way i phrase it though, i am at the top of my class. i was giving this information to better assist other forum visitors in giving me advice. it was not intended to incite some sort of a riot on your part. i am on this board, genuinely, looking for guidance. if you have nothing productive to say, keep your thoughts to yourself. i seriosly doubt you would speak to me that way if we were standing face to face. however, i guess hiding behind this discussion board gives you the strength and right to call me stupid. well you're wrong. i am a smart, ambitious, hard working woman. i have an excellent academic record and your rants cannot erase that. however, your behavior has given me a glimpse of your lack of class and intelligence, entitling me to call you a jackass. in the future, if you would like to say something to me, send me an private message and i'd be glad to give you my phone # and we can exchange some "pleasantries" that way. i'm not going to respond to anymore of your forum comments.

oh, and by the way....there is no need to belittle cooley, fcsl, and widener. obviously, if they were crappy schools, as you are insinuating, they wouldn't be ABA approved or have any students pass the bar, now would they? fcsl personally, had the highest bar passage rate in the state, i think 7 year into its existance. the point is, you don't go there, ( or u did and u failed, making you an angry law school dropout bum)so you don't know what the hell you are talking about ! my year at FCSL has been great. the teachers are wonderful, the school is great, the career services are great, the law library is state of the art, the area is fertile w/ job opportunities......it's a great school. the ONLY reasons i am applying for transfer is b/c i want to practice law in the northeast and a degree from one of the schools mentioned will mean more than FCSL. however, if i stay where i am, i will still be a bigger success than you ! if you are a student, whichever law school you go to, even if harvard, your degree may mean a lot...but once you actually get into the office and you begin acting like the jackass that you obviously are....your degree will mean zero. so take a lesson from me, a mere FCSL student...change your attitude !
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Sepatown on June 24, 2007, 08:25:35 PM
I go to FCSL for your information ! I did not "f" up my rank #s as you say ! if you divide 9 by 559 and multiply it by 100, you get 1.6. I did not  round it off to 2%. i'm not sure whether schools do so or not. which ever way i phrase it though, i am at the top of my class. i was giving this information to better assist other forum visitors in giving me advice. it was not intended to incite some sort of a riot on your part. i am on this board, genuinely, looking for guidance. if you have nothing productive to say, keep your thoughts to yourself. i seriosly doubt you would speak to me that way if we were standing face to face. however, i guess hiding behind this discussion board gives you the strength and right to call me stupid. well you're wrong. i am a smart, ambitious, hard working woman. i have an excellent academic record and your rants cannot erase that. however, your behavior has given me a glimpse of your lack of class and intelligence, entitling me to call you a jackass. in the future, if you would like to say something to me, send me an private message and i'd be glad to give you my phone # and we can exchange some "pleasantries" that way. i'm not going to respond to anymore of your forum comments.

oh, and by the way....there is no need to belittle cooley, fcsl, and widener. obviously, if they were crappy schools, as you are insinuating, they wouldn't be ABA approved or have any students pass the bar, now would they? fcsl personally, had the highest bar passage rate in the state, i think 7 year into its existance. the point is, you don't go there, ( or u did and u failed, making you an angry law school dropout bum)so you don't know what the hell you are talking about ! my year at FCSL has been great. the teachers are wonderful, the school is great, the career services are great, the law library is state of the art, the area is fertile w/ job opportunities......it's a great school. the ONLY reasons i am applying for transfer is b/c i want to practice law in the northeast and a degree from one of the schools mentioned will mean more than FCSL. however, if i stay where i am, i will still be a bigger success than you ! if you are a student, whichever law school you go to, even if harvard, your degree may mean a lot...but once you actually get into the office and you begin acting like the jackass that you obviously are....your degree will mean zero. so take a lesson from me, a mere FCSL student...change your attitude !
please condense into 3-4 sentences and i may enlighten you with a response. All I read was that I was right that you went to FCSL (point for me) and I was right that you were a liar (559 now, instead of the previous 560). After seeing this, I decided not to read the rest of your post as nothing would be credited.
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Sepatown on June 24, 2007, 08:26:30 PM
I go to FCSL for your information ! I did not "f" up my rank #s as you say ! if you divide 9 by 559 and multiply it by 100, you get 1.6. I did not  round it off to 2%. i'm not sure whether schools do so or not. which ever way i phrase it though, i am at the top of my class. i was giving this information to better assist other forum visitors in giving me advice. it was not intended to incite some sort of a riot on your part. i am on this board, genuinely, looking for guidance. if you have nothing productive to say, keep your thoughts to yourself. i seriosly doubt you would speak to me that way if we were standing face to face. however, i guess hiding behind this discussion board gives you the strength and right to call me stupid. well you're wrong. i am a smart, ambitious, hard working woman. i have an excellent academic record and your rants cannot erase that. however, your behavior has given me a glimpse of your lack of class and intelligence, entitling me to call you a jackass. in the future, if you would like to say something to me, send me an private message and i'd be glad to give you my phone # and we can exchange some "pleasantries" that way. i'm not going to respond to anymore of your forum comments.

oh, and by the way....there is no need to belittle cooley, fcsl, and widener. obviously, if they were crappy schools, as you are insinuating, they wouldn't be ABA approved or have any students pass the bar, now would they? fcsl personally, had the highest bar passage rate in the state, i think 7 year into its existance. the point is, you don't go there, ( or u did and u failed, making you an angry law school dropout bum)so you don't know what the hell you are talking about ! my year at FCSL has been great. the teachers are wonderful, the school is great, the career services are great, the law library is state of the art, the area is fertile w/ job opportunities......it's a great school. the ONLY reasons i am applying for transfer is b/c i want to practice law in the northeast and a degree from one of the schools mentioned will mean more than FCSL. however, if i stay where i am, i will still be a bigger success than you ! if you are a student, whichever law school you go to, even if harvard, your degree may mean a lot...but once you actually get into the office and you begin acting like the jackass that you obviously are....your degree will mean zero. so take a lesson from me, a mere FCSL student...change your attitude !
please condense into 3-4 sentences and i may enlighten you with a response. All I read was that I was right that you went to FCSL (point for me) and I was right that you were a liar (5559 now, instead of the previous 560). After seeing this, I decided not to read the rest of your post as nothing would be credited.
TITCR
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: brightline on June 24, 2007, 08:38:25 PM
Law Geek, chill out and ignore the trolls. You should round your rank up for resume purposes or list the numerical rank, but you're right, you are at the top of your class.

Again, like I said before...you need to apply to more schools. Because FCSL is a young school, you may suffer a little prejudice with transfer apps. For instance, I doubt Cornell has ever taken more than 10 transfers each year. They just don't have the room. Many applicants will be coming from tier 1 schools, not schools like FCSL. If you want to get out badly, which you should if you would prefer to work in the Northeast, you are going to have to apply to more schools.

George Washington and Georgetown take a lot of transfers. Another school that seems to be friendly to transfers from lower ranked schools is University of Illinois, but that's not in the northeast and would be better for Chicago, say. That doesn't mean you can't get a job on the east coast with a degree from that school. Columbia and NYU would be longshots, probably, but you should take a chance. Try Fordham too, maybe, although they are likely flooded with apps from all the NY area schools. Other than that, take a look at the rest of the schools from say 10-25 and apply to ones that take at least 15-20 transfers.

In general, I think you should aim high, but you may want to try some schools in the 40-60 range as safeties. Typically, I wouldn't recommend these schools for a 1st year student because many are expensive and the cost isn't justified in relation to job prospects for the average student. In your case, you've already got good grades, so if you can work out the logistics of participating in OCI, a move to a school like that would probably be worth it. You'd have better job prospects than with an FCSL degree anyway.

As an aside, if you don't mind the southeast for a while, Florida State took 59 transfers last year.

Do you have anything else in your background that might help you, like:

1. Did you attend a top school for college?

2. Are you an under represented minority?

3. Something else that distinguishes you?


Anyway, get some more apps out ASAP.
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Sepatown on June 24, 2007, 09:00:08 PM
And, Geek, you are not top 1%. HTH.
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Law Geek on June 25, 2007, 09:28:23 AM
well i am an under represented minority, but I don't like to rely on that. my undergrad degree is from a NY private school, well respected, as far as i know.


i took your advice and applied to some other schools, just to be on the safe side. Thanks for the stats on Cornell transfer #s. I had no idea they only take 10 students!! i knew it was a long shot but i am hoping for it anyways. we'll see what happens. thank you for your time in writting all this out brightline !
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: LegalLatin78 on June 25, 2007, 10:56:22 AM
On LSAC.org you can view the numbers of transfers, both in and out. 

http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/ShowAllSchools.aspx . 

Simply click on the law schools, then ABA school data, and it is on the first page under transfers.

Cornell
Transfers in 18
Transfers out 12

Brooklyn
Transfers in 19
Transfers out 29

Fordham
Transfers in 38
Transfers out 15

Boston College
Transfers in 17
Transfers out 6

Boston University
Transfers in 6
Transfers out 13

Temple
Transfers in 16
Transfers out 5

Villanova
Transfers in 11
Transfers out 17

And here is the school you should definitely check out.  They are T25, and very transfer friendly.   

Washington University School of Law
Transfers in 51
Transfers out 7
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Law Geek on June 25, 2007, 12:17:37 PM
this is a great resource ! thanks ! 
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: ajstyles on June 25, 2007, 12:40:26 PM
I have heard it is almost impossible to transfer to Cornell. Why not try transferring to schools that are better than Cornell AND transfer friendly (i.e. Georgetown, Columbia)?
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: brightline on June 25, 2007, 12:58:08 PM

Washington University School of Law
Transfers in 51
Transfers out 7

A word about Washington University aka WashU in St. Louis:

They overenrolled transfers last year and will not be taking as many this year. They also had a HUGE increase in applications. Most people who applied Early Action back in January have not heard back yet. I'm not saying you shouldn't apply, just know that your chances this year are not as good as in year's past.

I agree that Law Geek should check out the stats in the ABA guide and apply to more schools.

I would definitely NOT recommend going to Brooklyn, Cardozo or any school like that in NY though. No school in NYC below Fordham is really worth going to. The top students at Brook and Cardozo are trying to get out because their job prospects aren't good in the hypercompetitive NYC job market.

Law Geek, what kind of URM are you? The only URMs that really get an help are blacks, hispanics, and native americans. If you are a first generation immigrant you might get some help too, but other than that don't expect any help.
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Law Geek on June 25, 2007, 01:34:40 PM
i am an immigrant.
Title: Sex in Your Law School Library Is Illegal, and "Necessity Is Not a Defense"
Post by: abovethelaw on July 03, 2007, 06:02:42 PM

Washington University School of Law
Transfers in 51
Transfers out 7

A word about Washington University aka WashU in St. Louis:

They overenrolled transfers last year and will not be taking as many this year. They also had a HUGE increase in applications. Most people who applied Early Action back in January have not heard back yet. I'm not saying you shouldn't apply, just know that your chances this year are not as good as in year's past.

I agree that Law Geek should check out the stats in the ABA guide and apply to more schools.

I would definitely NOT recommend going to Brooklyn, Cardozo or any school like that in NY though. No school in NYC below Fordham is really worth going to. The top students at Brook and Cardozo are trying to get out because their job prospects aren't good in the hypercompetitive NYC job market.

Law Geek, what kind of URM are you? The only URMs that really get an help are blacks, hispanics, and native americans. If you are a first generation immigrant you might get some help too, but other than that don't expect any help.


One more small tip on Washington U.:

This email, from Student Bar Association president Kenley Maddux, went around at Washington University Law School in St. Louis. Alterations are in the original, except as indicated by "Ed. note."

Quote
From: Kenley Maddux
Sent: Tue 12/12/2006 1:45 PM
To: Announcements
Subject: sex acts
Fellow Students, I received this message as a forward from Dean Bolin, and was asked to pass along the following. This is not a joke.

Excerpts of message from Don Strom, WULAW Police Chief:
Subject: High Priority -- Campus Police Alert

Today we were alerted by an Aramark supervisor that some of their employees have noted sex acts occurring at Olin Library and AB Hall. [Ed. note: AB Hall is Anheuser-Busch Hall, the law school building.]

The students usually do not have the common sense or the decency to stop when they are confronted, and seem to expect the Aramark employees to leave and come back later to do their work....

[ARAMARK employees have been instructed to report these incidents to the police in the future, and the campus police will be adding new overnight patrols through the law school. While there is no indication that the past sex acts were other than consensual, the Police will take that possibility seriously and thoroughly investigate every report. -- Don Strom]

My advice is, do not have sex at school. My understanding is that, in addition to whatever criminal sanctions are imposed, this will go into your law school record, and that it will be reported to the character and fitness panel of every state or territory that you apply to practice law in. This reporting is not a matter of discretion, and is not contingent on proof of a criminal act. Bar authorities may delay your admission, require remedial activities, or exclude you from the practice of law. Necessity is not a defense (even if your power is out at home). [Ed. note: Emphases added. But we don't get the part about the power outage.]

You have been warned. -- Kenley


Maddux's position may be unreasonable. "Sex in the stacks" is a time-honored tradition, at both undergraduate and graduate institutions.

But if you're going to do it, be smart. Follow these useful pointers. And be safe!

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=505583

Title: Re: Sex in Your Law School Library Is Illegal, and "Necessity Is Not a Defense"
Post by: ad astra per alia porci on July 03, 2007, 07:15:45 PM

Washington University School of Law
Transfers in 51
Transfers out 7

A word about Washington University aka WashU in St. Louis:

They overenrolled transfers last year and will not be taking as many this year. They also had a HUGE increase in applications. Most people who applied Early Action back in January have not heard back yet. I'm not saying you shouldn't apply, just know that your chances this year are not as good as in year's past.

I agree that Law Geek should check out the stats in the ABA guide and apply to more schools.

I would definitely NOT recommend going to Brooklyn, Cardozo or any school like that in NY though. No school in NYC below Fordham is really worth going to. The top students at Brook and Cardozo are trying to get out because their job prospects aren't good in the hypercompetitive NYC job market.

Law Geek, what kind of URM are you? The only URMs that really get an help are blacks, hispanics, and native americans. If you are a first generation immigrant you might get some help too, but other than that don't expect any help.


One more small tip on Washington U.:

This email, from Student Bar Association president Kenley Maddux, went around at Washington University Law School in St. Louis. Alterations are in the original, except as indicated by "Ed. note."

Quote
From: Kenley Maddux
Sent: Tue 12/12/2006 1:45 PM
To: Announcements
Subject: sex acts
Fellow Students, I received this message as a forward from Dean Bolin, and was asked to pass along the following. This is not a joke.

Excerpts of message from Don Strom, WULAW Police Chief:
Subject: High Priority -- Campus Police Alert

Today we were alerted by an Aramark supervisor that some of their employees have noted sex acts occurring at Olin Library and AB Hall. [Ed. note: AB Hall is Anheuser-Busch Hall, the law school building.]

The students usually do not have the common sense or the decency to stop when they are confronted, and seem to expect the Aramark employees to leave and come back later to do their work....

[ARAMARK employees have been instructed to report these incidents to the police in the future, and the campus police will be adding new overnight patrols through the law school. While there is no indication that the past sex acts were other than consensual, the Police will take that possibility seriously and thoroughly investigate every report. -- Don Strom]

My advice is, do not have sex at school. My understanding is that, in addition to whatever criminal sanctions are imposed, this will go into your law school record, and that it will be reported to the character and fitness panel of every state or territory that you apply to practice law in. This reporting is not a matter of discretion, and is not contingent on proof of a criminal act. Bar authorities may delay your admission, require remedial activities, or exclude you from the practice of law. Necessity is not a defense (even if your power is out at home). [Ed. note: Emphases added. But we don't get the part about the power outage.]

You have been warned. -- Kenley


Maddux's position may be unreasonable. "Sex in the stacks" is a time-honored tradition, at both undergraduate and graduate institutions.

But if you're going to do it, be smart. Follow these useful pointers. And be safe!

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=505583



lol your funny, abovethelaw! ;)
Title: Re: Sex in Your Law School Library Is Illegal, and "Necessity Is Not a Defense"
Post by: mireille on July 04, 2007, 02:49:05 AM

One more small tip on Washington U.:

This email, from Student Bar Association president Kenley Maddux, went around at Washington University Law School in St. Louis. Alterations are in the original, except as indicated by "Ed. note."

Quote
From: Kenley Maddux
Sent: Tue 12/12/2006 1:45 PM
To: Announcements
Subject: sex acts
Fellow Students, I received this message as a forward from Dean Bolin, and was asked to pass along the following. This is not a joke.

Excerpts of message from Don Strom, WULAW Police Chief:
Subject: High Priority -- Campus Police Alert

Today we were alerted by an Aramark supervisor that some of their employees have noted sex acts occurring at Olin Library and AB Hall. [Ed. note: AB Hall is Anheuser-Busch Hall, the law school building.]

The students usually do not have the common sense or the decency to stop when they are confronted, and seem to expect the Aramark employees to leave and come back later to do their work....

[ARAMARK employees have been instructed to report these incidents to the police in the future, and the campus police will be adding new overnight patrols through the law school. While there is no indication that the past sex acts were other than consensual, the Police will take that possibility seriously and thoroughly investigate every report. -- Don Strom]

My advice is, do not have sex at school. My understanding is that, in addition to whatever criminal sanctions are imposed, this will go into your law school record, and that it will be reported to the character and fitness panel of every state or territory that you apply to practice law in. This reporting is not a matter of discretion, and is not contingent on proof of a criminal act. Bar authorities may delay your admission, require remedial activities, or exclude you from the practice of law. Necessity is not a defense (even if your power is out at home). [Ed. note: Emphases added. But we don't get the part about the power outage.]

You have been warned. -- Kenley




Everyone knows what stupid law school Washington U. has.
Title: Re:
Post by: spoons on July 04, 2007, 06:53:42 PM
This was a regular occurence at Boalt Hall, either in the stacks located in the basement or in the East Reading Room Conference Rooms... not that I would know first hand... Boalt Hall's stacks are like a horrible cave, it's not surprising that all sorts of illicit activity occurs there. The East Reading reading room conference rooms have glass door now though.
Title: Re: Sex in Your Law School Library Is Illegal, and "Necessity Is Not a Defense"
Post by: ayn on July 08, 2007, 09:27:15 PM

One more small tip on Washington U.:

This email, from Student Bar Association president Kenley Maddux, went around at Washington University Law School in St. Louis. Alterations are in the original, except as indicated by "Ed. note."

Quote
From: Kenley Maddux
Sent: Tue 12/12/2006 1:45 PM
To: Announcements
Subject: sex acts
Fellow Students, I received this message as a forward from Dean Bolin, and was asked to pass along the following. This is not a joke.

Excerpts of message from Don Strom, WULAW Police Chief:
Subject: High Priority -- Campus Police Alert

Today we were alerted by an Aramark supervisor that some of their employees have noted sex acts occurring at Olin Library and AB Hall. [Ed. note: AB Hall is Anheuser-Busch Hall, the law school building.]

The students usually do not have the common sense or the decency to stop when they are confronted, and seem to expect the Aramark employees to leave and come back later to do their work....

[ARAMARK employees have been instructed to report these incidents to the police in the future, and the campus police will be adding new overnight patrols through the law school. While there is no indication that the past sex acts were other than consensual, the Police will take that possibility seriously and thoroughly investigate every report. -- Don Strom]

My advice is, do not have sex at school. My understanding is that, in addition to whatever criminal sanctions are imposed, this will go into your law school record, and that it will be reported to the character and fitness panel of every state or territory that you apply to practice law in. This reporting is not a matter of discretion, and is not contingent on proof of a criminal act. Bar authorities may delay your admission, require remedial activities, or exclude you from the practice of law. Necessity is not a defense (even if your power is out at home). [Ed. note: Emphases added. But we don't get the part about the power outage.]

You have been warned. -- Kenley




Everyone knows what stupid law school Washington U. has.


It doesn't have to do with the Wash Univ, it's more because of the wall-to-wall boredom that St. Louis offers -- a city where young peole have nowhere to go. If you have ever lived in Chicago you'd notice how many St. Louis' residents drive hours and hours every week to have some real fun.
Title: Re: Sex in Your Law School Library Is Illegal, and "Necessity Is Not a Defense"
Post by: hiliter on July 10, 2007, 01:23:14 AM

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From: Kenley Maddux
Sent: Tue 12/12/2006 1:45 PM
To: Announcements
Subject: sex acts
Fellow Students, I received this message as a forward from Dean Bolin, and was asked to pass along the following. This is not a joke.

Excerpts of message from Don Strom, WULAW Police Chief:
Subject: High Priority -- Campus Police Alert

Today we were alerted by an Aramark supervisor that some of their employees have noted sex acts occurring at Olin Library and AB Hall. [Ed. note: AB Hall is Anheuser-Busch Hall, the law school building.]

The students usually do not have the common sense or the decency to stop when they are confronted, and seem to expect the Aramark employees to leave and come back later to do their work....

[ARAMARK employees have been instructed to report these incidents to the police in the future, and the campus police will be adding new overnight patrols through the law school. While there is no indication that the past sex acts were other than consensual, the Police will take that possibility seriously and thoroughly investigate every report. -- Don Strom]

My advice is, do not have sex at school. My understanding is that, in addition to whatever criminal sanctions are imposed, this will go into your law school record, and that it will be reported to the character and fitness panel of every state or territory that you apply to practice law in. This reporting is not a matter of discretion, and is not contingent on proof of a criminal act. Bar authorities may delay your admission, require remedial activities, or exclude you from the practice of law. Necessity is not a defense (even if your power is out at home). [Ed. note: Emphases added. But we don't get the part about the power outage.]

You have been warned. -- Kenley




This e-mail is really weird!
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: kaligula on July 13, 2007, 04:26:46 AM
It's not weird, it's downright stupid.
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: one shoe on July 23, 2007, 01:33:10 AM

I just finished in the top 1% of a Tier4 law school. my ranking is #9/ 560. my 1st semester GPA was a 3.53, second semester, 4.0. this brings me to 3.77 overall GPA for my 1L. the grade curve is a C. I made moot court and have won a book award for legal research and writing. i applied for transfer to some top schools, such as cornell, bu, and bc. i had an awful LSAT grade (won't even mention it here) but my UGPA was 3.8.  what do you think my chances are of making such a huge leap? 


What's your LSAT score?
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Law Geek on July 23, 2007, 11:11:08 AM
LSAT= 146
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: CU1989 on July 23, 2007, 11:46:23 AM
LSAT= 146


Well, given your numbers, that LSAT score means absolutely nothing.  Congratulations on a great first-year, and good luck with your transfer applications. 

Which schools did you apply to?  Have you heard back from any schools yet?   Goodluck!
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Law Geek on July 23, 2007, 11:56:06 AM
thanks for the congratulations. it's nice to have someone appreciate all that work I put in this year. to answer your question, i was admitted to a T2 state school which i will be attending. i was denied by 2 schools in the top 20s and i am still waiting to hear back from cornell.
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: CU1989 on July 23, 2007, 12:04:47 PM
Goodluck with Cornell, I did my undergraduate there, and loved it.  I would suggest calling them and reaffirming your interest in the school, and in the Ithaca area.
Title: Re: Tier 4 transfer to Cornell??
Post by: Lawbster on September 23, 2007, 12:49:02 PM
Do we have an update on where you got in?