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Title: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: james1968 on January 31, 2007, 07:17:14 AM
Does anyone know a NOVUS LAW SCHOOL graduate???? Has anyone ever taken any of the programs they offer??? Is it a real school?? I am sure that someone has some information about it??
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: UChi2L on January 31, 2007, 01:33:57 PM
Isn't the fact that there is *no* information informative?
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: james1968 on January 31, 2007, 03:47:23 PM
Yes this is true but I would still like to hear from people who went to the school or took the courses. I checked them out on the Better Business web site and they look clean. If this is a scam we should try and get as much information out on it as possible to prevent anyone from being burned. ;D
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Lawgirl1 on April 12, 2007, 08:58:37 PM
Does anyone know a NOVUS LAW SCHOOL graduate???? Has anyone ever taken any of the programs they offer??? Is it a real school?? I am sure that someone has some information about it??


I just signed up with Novus.The intial interview was very professional Now that we are actually getting to the courses..i'm not so sure. I have been on several sites researching also and have not found anything negative. I have no way of keeping track or record of the transcript. They said the school has been around for ten years. Have  you signed up yet?
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Ismael on April 25, 2007, 03:00:30 PM
Novus is completely on the web.  It does not have a campus.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Ismael on April 25, 2007, 03:03:02 PM
I was very tempted to sign up...but after reading the fine print I am having second thoughts about it.  Read the brochure carefully and you will see that it is not ABA approved nor does the school have any formal campus as other traditional schools that offer online courses.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: esquiremd900 on June 10, 2007, 03:47:06 PM
It was my understanding that it was a sham law school. That thier degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two owners live in Europe. I would not suggest it. Google them online.... and you will be able to locate the suits that were filed for the fraud.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: LawMan2007 on June 13, 2007, 05:25:33 PM
I am a student at Novus Law School and have been for over 2 years ,I am seeking to BAR QUALIFY for the CA BAR by attorney supervised study ,I passed the Baby Bar with a C , I can say that Novus Law School has provided me with a great legal education . I read some fiction about Novus and Law suits and I am a private investigator and checked this school out completely before I enrolled and there is not one single law suit or complaint I could find .....I can not speak for every Novus student but 2 of my friends in the insurance business also completed Novus and their company paid, I am paying myself I have never had a call go unreturned and Samanatha Fisher my advisor has been there for me all the time.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: TJKincaid on June 13, 2007, 05:45:50 PM
It was my understanding that it was a sham law school. That thier degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two owners live in Europe. I would not suggest it. Google them online.... and you will be able to locate the suits that were filed for the fraud.

I am a Law Student at Novus Law School and I'm reading your statement that it is your understanding that Novus is a sham law school, and then I'm reading where you misspelled "thier" degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two of the owners live in Europe. You further claim that you can Google them online and you'll be able to locate lawsuits that were filed against them for fraud.

I personally know two of the professors that teach at Novus, as the president of the school and they live in California, where I live. I also know (and did Google) that there are no lawsuits filed against them at present, nor have there ever been. I have been an arbitrator and a mediator for over 15 years, and I'm not seeking to take a bar, but I do understand and it was explained to me how attorney supervised study works and how you can earn a degree and become an attorney by combining law study with attorney supervised study. I verified this with the American Bar Association, which Novus Law School provides a direct link to on their website.

In light of all this, I would say that your statements are either delusional or outright lies. I have no way of knowing why you would print such statements when any person can easily verify through the American Bar Association and by Googling as you suggested, that Novus is a Law School with an excellent reputation assisting students throughout the US and attorney supervised study and for specialized practice fields like mine.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: DO/JD on June 16, 2007, 07:57:47 AM
Isn't Novus only for students in California?
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: LawMan2007 on June 17, 2007, 11:21:26 PM
Isn't Novus only for students in California?

No Novus if you read the Online catalog offers programs worldwide and attorney supervised in 7 states see www.novus.edu US BAR ADMISSIONS or go to www.usbar.info
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: law4justice on June 25, 2007, 11:33:53 PM
It was my understanding that it was a sham law school. That thier degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two owners live in Europe. I would not suggest it. Google them online.... and you will be able to locate the suits that were filed for the fraud.

I am a Law Student at Novus Law School and I'm reading your statement that it is your understanding that Novus is a sham law school, and then I'm reading where you misspelled "thier" degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two of the owners live in Europe. You further claim that you can Google them online and you'll be able to locate lawsuits that were filed against them for fraud.

I personally know two of the professors that teach at Novus, as the president of the school and they live in California, where I live. I also know (and did Google) that there are no lawsuits filed against them at present, nor have there ever been. I have been an arbitrator and a mediator for over 15 years, and I'm not seeking to take a bar, but I do understand and it was explained to me how attorney supervised study works and how you can earn a degree and become an attorney by combining law study with attorney supervised study. I verified this with the American Bar Association, which Novus Law School provides a direct link to on their website.

In light of all this, I would say that your statements are either delusional or outright lies. I have no way of knowing why you would print such statements when any person can easily verify through the American Bar Association and by Googling as you suggested, that Novus is a Law School with an excellent reputation assisting students throughout the US and attorney supervised study and for specialized practice fields like mine.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: esquiremd900 on June 26, 2007, 11:35:10 AM
Email Recived-

This is laugable.
Dear Law Discussion Poster:

This letter is in regards to defamation's concerning Novus Law School. Due to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act which provides that "[no] provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider," and that "[n]o cause of action may be brought and no liability may be imposed under any State or local law that is inconsistent with this section." This means that  Novus Law School can not sue  Law School Discussion ,however we can sue you.

Your posting states, esquiremd900

“It was my understanding that it was a sham law school. That thier degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two owners live in Europe. I would not suggest it. Google them online.... and you will be able to locate the suits that were filed for the fraud.”

You can Google and there are no such lawsuits or frauds, however many people have called us asking about this statement. Novus Law School may have in fact suffered losses both economic and to its reputation as a result of this posting.

It does not take an in-depth investigation to determine these are outright lies ,even the most elementary investigation will show that.We see how you have tried to through clever use of words diminish your libel,however we believe that we can prove libel in a court of law and once a suit is filed we will seek your true identity from Yahoo.

In the entire 10 years that Novus Law School has been in existence, not a single lawsuit or charge has been brought against the school for anything and no charges or lawsuits have been filed against Novus Law School for anything on a state or federal level and Novus Law School has No unresolved consumer complaints, with the BBB or consumer affairs of any state or country.

I can be contacted by phone at 661-674-6571 or by email at GeneralCounsel@nulaw.org I am General in-house counsel for Novus Law School


Respectfully,

Jay Thomas
General Counsel
Novus Law School

 

 

 


 
 

 




It was my understanding that it was a sham law school. That thier degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two owners live in Europe. I would not suggest it. Google them online.... and you will be able to locate the suits that were filed for the fraud.

I am a Law Student at Novus Law School and I'm reading your statement that it is your understanding that Novus is a sham law school, and then I'm reading where you misspelled "thier" degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two of the owners live in Europe. You further claim that you can Google them online and you'll be able to locate lawsuits that were filed against them for fraud.

I personally know two of the professors that teach at Novus, as the president of the school and they live in California, where I live. I also know (and did Google) that there are no lawsuits filed against them at present, nor have there ever been. I have been an arbitrator and a mediator for over 15 years, and I'm not seeking to take a bar, but I do understand and it was explained to me how attorney supervised study works and how you can earn a degree and become an attorney by combining law study with attorney supervised study. I verified this with the American Bar Association, which Novus Law School provides a direct link to on their website.

In light of all this, I would say that your statements are either delusional or outright lies. I have no way of knowing why you would print such statements when any person can easily verify through the American Bar Association and by Googling as you suggested, that Novus is a Law School with an excellent reputation assisting students throughout the US and attorney supervised study and for specialized practice fields like mine.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Alltruth on July 03, 2007, 09:44:52 PM
I am a student at Novus Law School and have been for over 2 years ,I am seeking to BAR QUALIFY for the CA BAR by attorney supervised study ,I passed the Baby Bar with a C , I can say that Novus Law School has provided me with a great legal education . I read some fiction about Novus and Law suits and I am a private investigator and checked this school out completely before I enrolled and there is not one single law suit or complaint I could find .....I can not speak for every Novus student but 2 of my friends in the insurance business also completed Novus and their company paid, I am paying myself I have never had a call go unreturned and Samanatha Fisher my advisor has been there for me all the time.
If you are doing study via a law firm why are you enrolled in an online law school? Isnt that redundant since you only need one or the other to qualify to sit for the baby bar and the state bar in Cali?
 
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Alltruth on July 03, 2007, 09:54:11 PM
Novus is not like the DL laws schools in California. It is basically a tool to assist those who are preparing for the bar via law firm or courtroom apprentice programs.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Alltruth on July 03, 2007, 09:58:41 PM
A degree from Novus does not qualify a person to sit for the bar of any state.

Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Alltruth on July 03, 2007, 10:01:39 PM
Does anyone know a NOVUS LAW SCHOOL graduate???? Has anyone ever taken any of the programs they offer??? Is it a real school?? I am sure that someone has some information about it??
Novus is a study aid their degree does not qualify you for sitting for the bar of any state in the union. READ WHAT IT SAYS ON THEIR WEBSITE:

http://www.novus.edu/BARADMISSIONS.htm
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: laurakoel on July 09, 2007, 07:38:14 PM
I have tried for months to get someone to call me back from Novus and so far no luck.  Who should I talk to?  Any ideas or numbers you can provide? 
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: elainem on July 22, 2007, 03:42:08 AM


James

    read my post in the summary of online school.
I gave my two cents worth.

   I am just as curious as you are. Someone did call me today. I listen and told them to call me back in two weeks, and I will let them know if I will do the program.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Habu on August 14, 2007, 04:21:53 PM
It was my understanding that it was a sham law school. That thier degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two owners live in Europe. I would not suggest it. Google them online.... and you will be able to locate the suits that were filed for the fraud.

I am a Law Student at Novus Law School and I'm reading your statement that it is your understanding that Novus is a sham law school, and then I'm reading where you misspelled "thier" degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two of the owners live in Europe. You further claim that you can Google them online and you'll be able to locate lawsuits that were filed against them for fraud.

I personally know two of the professors that teach at Novus, as the president of the school and they live in California, where I live. I also know (and did Google) that there are no lawsuits filed against them at present, nor have there ever been. I have been an arbitrator and a mediator for over 15 years, and I'm not seeking to take a bar, but I do understand and it was explained to me how attorney supervised study works and how you can earn a degree and become an attorney by combining law study with attorney supervised study. I verified this with the American Bar Association, which Novus Law School provides a direct link to on their website.

In light of all this, I would say that your statements are either delusional or outright lies. I have no way of knowing why you would print such statements when any person can easily verify through the American Bar Association and by Googling as you suggested, that Novus is a Law School with an excellent reputation assisting students throughout the US and attorney supervised study and for specialized practice fields like mine.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: UNLVmom06 on August 15, 2007, 01:54:43 PM
Does anyone know a NOVUS LAW SCHOOL graduate???? Has anyone ever taken any of the programs they offer??? Is it a real school?? I am sure that someone has some information about it??

Did you ever get the response you were looking for.  I am having difficulties contacting them or getting any type of response after the fact.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Jeannie0012 on August 27, 2007, 08:54:21 PM
Yes this is true but I would still like to hear from people who went to the school or took the courses. I checked them out on the Better Business web site and they look clean. If this is a scam we should try and get as much information out on it as possible to prevent anyone from being burned. ;D

Dear Discussion Members:

Novus isn't a "sham" school. Many DL (distance learning) schools do not have a campus - University of Phoenix for example (until recently) the Open and Distance Learning University in the UK and so on. Here's the thing...distance education has notoriously been considered sub-standard - yes and no. Having taken many, many course online, I can tell you all that the level of interaction, course development and delivery methods should be a primarly consideration for those of you who have never taken a distance course.

Of paramount importance when chosing anyinstitution - traditional or DL - is that you must make sure that it is accredited. There are two types of accreditation, Regional and National. Accreditation allows you to take the credits you earn at one instituion and transfer them to another. For example, if you recieve a lesser degree from a non-accredited institution, then attempt to use that degree to obtain a higher degree (sometimes a necessary requirement) your credits will not be acknowledged. The U.S. Board of Higher Education can help you find and/or confirm whoch schools have accreditation. Generally, Regional accreditation is the one most accepted. Although Novus' information states that having accreditation does not necessarily guarantee transfer of credits - NOT having accreditation most assuredly guarantees a 99% chance another school will not allow the transfer.

Faculty interaction, student support services (including online tutoring) and accessible course design are worth their weight in gold - trust me on this. I recently graduated from the Masters in Distance Education program at University of Maryland University College. I have also been a distance education program coordinator and advisor for a Criminal Justice and Criminology program..and, as I stated, a long time distance learner. I know the difference between a well designed program and one that is not.

Although Novus is a wonderful financial "deal", you must research their qualifications, take into account what you might need in the future ("I want to teach when I grow up"), how it is you learn, time considerations and committments. Novus is, essentially, a map to help you get where you want to go - a law degree - sort of like a blue print. If you aren't an architect you may find yourself having a heck of a time building that house. Of course, this doesn't mean that you cannot get what you want from Novus, it means that you must chose what is right for you. This is what will guarantee your success.

My e-mail is not blocked. If you have questions about a program, please feel free to contact me...I'm always happy to help. We're in the same boat!

Jeannie
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: NovusComServices on September 04, 2007, 05:13:56 PM
Does anyone know a NOVUS LAW SCHOOL graduate???? Has anyone ever taken any of the programs they offer??? Is it a real school?? I am sure that someone has some information about it??

Dear James1968,

Concerning Novus Law School programs you can receive a free online catalog and video by simply going to www.novus.edu.

Sincerely,

Scott Andrews
Novus Law School
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: NovusComServices on September 04, 2007, 05:15:25 PM
Isn't the fact that there is *no* information informative?

Dear UChi2L,

Concerning Novus Law School programs you can receive a free online catalog and video by simply going to www.novus.edu.

Sincerely,

Scott Andrews
Novus Law School
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: NovusComServices on September 04, 2007, 05:23:33 PM
Yes this is true but I would still like to hear from people who went to the school or took the courses. I checked them out on the Better Business web site and they look clean. If this is a scam we should try and get as much information out on it as possible to prevent anyone from being burned. ;D

Dear James1968,

Novus Law School works very hard to offer its students the best possible legal education at the most competitive tuition. In the ten years that Novus Law School has offered legal studies it has never had an unresolved complaint with the BBB or any agency or for that matter any individual who completed our program. We understand that a person should investigate all of their options and Novus Law School provides direct links to the ABA and the United States Department of Education, so that individuals can research from the most authoritative sources. Prospective students can visit our website at www.novus.edu and we post a contact phone number for further information.

Sincerely,

Scott Andrews
Novus Law School
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: NovusComServices on September 04, 2007, 05:31:17 PM
I am a student at Novus Law School and have been for over 2 years ,I am seeking to BAR QUALIFY for the CA BAR by attorney supervised study ,I passed the Baby Bar with a C , I can say that Novus Law School has provided me with a great legal education . I read some fiction about Novus and Law suits and I am a private investigator and checked this school out completely before I enrolled and there is not one single law suit or complaint I could find .....I can not speak for every Novus student but 2 of my friends in the insurance business also completed Novus and their company paid, I am paying myself I have never had a call go unreturned and Samanatha Fisher my advisor has been there for me all the time.
If you are doing study via a law firm why are you enrolled in an online law school? Isnt that redundant since you only need one or the other to qualify to sit for the baby bar and the state bar in Cali?
 


Dear Alltruth,

It is absolutely true that you do not need to complete your degree to qualify for bar admission in California or six other states. However, most individuals want and need both the academic and clinical training that they will receive by combining attorney supervised study and the completion of their online degree. Plus, very few supervising attorneys want to create fourteen courses of curriculum, exams, and textbooks which are included in the Novus Law School program. So it is true that it is not required but most of our students tell us that it is very much needed. Of course this is an individual decision and our students are fully aware of all their options


Sincerely,

Scott Andrews
Novus Law school
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: NovusComServices on September 04, 2007, 05:41:01 PM
A degree from Novus does not qualify a person to sit for the bar of any state.



Dear Alltruth,

A law degree does not qualify you to sit for a bar exam unless you meet all other requirements including pre legal education, character and fitness and any other requirements the state may require. Many students attend law school and earn a JD not to qualify for bar admission but utilize professionally, in specialized practice, or in business, industry or education. California distance learning schools provide both bar and non bar programs. California is the only state that allows correspondence education. A total of seven states allow attorney supervised study and the District of Columbia allows graduates of Non-ABA programs to qualify for admission by completing twenty-six units in residence at an ABA school. You may consider all of your options for bar admission by going to our catalog at www.novus.edu and clicking on the icon for state bar requirements and then also clicking on the report by the National Conference of Bar Examiners, which details bar admission for all fifty states and D.C. If we can assist you in any way please do not hesitate to contact us at Novus Law School.

Sincerely,

Scott Andrews
Novus Law School
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: NovusComServices on September 04, 2007, 05:47:52 PM
I have tried for months to get someone to call me back from Novus and so far no luck.  Who should I talk to?  Any ideas or numbers you can provide? 

Dear Laurakoel,

It certainly is possible that at some time it might be more difficult to contact Novus Law School. But, honestly we have never had anyone tell us that it took more than a day to get in touch with their advisor or students services staff member. We are open from 9 AM to 7 PM Mon-Thurs. from 9 AM-2PM Fri. and from 10 AM-2 PM Sat. So if you had a hard time reaching us we apologize and if you will email us your number to admissions@nulaw.org we will be happy to call you even after hours. We look forward to hearing from you.



Sincerely,

Scott Andrews
Novus Law School
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: NovusComServices on September 04, 2007, 05:53:48 PM
Does anyone know a NOVUS LAW SCHOOL graduate???? Has anyone ever taken any of the programs they offer??? Is it a real school?? I am sure that someone has some information about it??

Did you ever get the response you were looking for.  I am having difficulties contacting them or getting any type of response after the fact.

Dear UNLVmom06,

At Novus Law School we provide prospective students with an online video and a catalog that details curriculum requirements, education requirements, tuition and financial aid, and direct links to ABA and the United States Department of Education. All this information can be accessed at www.novus.edu and at our offices 9 AM to 7 PM Mon-Thurs. from 9 AM-2PM Fri. and from 10 AM-2 PM Sat.

Sincerely,

Scott Andrews
Novus Law School
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: UPL on October 29, 2007, 11:56:59 AM
I have something to add about Novus University.  First, I don't know who is posting here, but these "representatives" of the University are impossible to reach.  Since my problem with this organization concerns a legal issue, I attempted to contact their "general counsel" by email and by phone.  I received no response to my email and the people who answered the phone at the number he posted on this discussion board had no idea who he was.  It was a private residence.

Though I did attend an ABA-accredited brick and mortar law school, sat for NY and now practice law, please understand that I have nothing against distance learning.  I think the ABA could investigate and grant accreditation to certain DL schools and that certain states should remove their prohibitions on granting access to their bar exams to graduates of proper DL programs.

Novus, however, should have no part of this.  They are not a scam in the sense that they lie to prospective students and allege those students will sit for any bar exams upon accreditation.  They do understand that in what we believe to be seven states, you can sit for the bar exam through law office study, and that Novus is a supplement to that study.  What they are doing is possibly facilitating the unauthorized practice of law in informing their students that those students can for all intents and purposes practice law while they are studying, even though they have no attorney supervision.

The problem is this: the few people each year who attempt to obtain access to a bar exam through law office study rarely do so in an appropriate manner.  They usually engage in the unauthorized practice of law, with little to no oversight from a licensed attorney as required.  One New York woman, who continues to advertise her "legal services" on Craigslist, made a half-hearted if not altogether false effort to work with an attorney and thereby abide by the law.  That attorney has contacted me and let me know that he never supervised any of her work and they have not had a working relationship, even though if you email her with prospective business she will say she works with him.

Her exact language is "I am able to do this as part of my law office study through Novus University."  As has been discussed on these boards, the law office study and the coursework are totally separate, the latter being unnecessary if someone wants to legitimately attempt to sit for the NY bar via law office study.

Long story short: this year, this woman was found to be engaging in the unauthorized practice of law by the Connecticut Statewide Grievance Committee and the Chief Disciplinary Counsel is now considering the matter for further action.  Since she is not a lawyer, referral to the District Attorney's Office is the only foreseeable punishment.

We are attempting to initiate similar proceedings against her in New York, where she continues to post Craigslist ads each day.  We are also actively trying to determine Novus University's role in facilitating the unauthorized practice of law, which is also a misdemeanor in New York State and many other states.  While that might require intervention from our state's Attorney General, for the time being at least prospective "students" can read this and consider whether or not they want to get mixed up with people like these.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: UPL on November 14, 2007, 04:17:47 PM
Update -- that student now being prosecuted by Manhattan DA.  Big time stuff.  Some of my colleagues want to go after bigger fish behind online UPL; Novus University is on the short list.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: hakeem on December 02, 2007, 11:17:22 AM
Novus is legit just like ALU and other online distance schools this is how foreigners get their Degree to practice medicine in the US it seems a lot of you really need to go back and study the law on state and federal. First I have enroll in novus base on others I have known who have use this alternative method. Schools like Novus and others get a bad name b/c of of Major schools dont want the competition but change is coming many our getting their degree online. Once I finished Novus I will be attending Georgetown for 1 year then I will be elgible for the state bar. Some out jealous b/c they spent a fortune on law school and did not seek and another route. What made me persue a law degree was real estate and my personal experience with the justice system. i beat a high power attorney in my brothers case which they chose not to show up and the judge ask my brother who help him is a very talentive lawyer but it was me little old me. Many others are seeking their degrees online.  www.lawschoolbible.com is another great source. Why should any one respond to you guys when you are so negative. and not supportive just b/c you are going to be an attorney or what ever you persue will not make you rich. I want to be one so I can help others learn by helping others you will be bless in return. When the King of the Mountain see competition their react scared because they obtain everything  by pertending to be someone and when change come they dont now how to adapt they slowly burn out and try to bring others down with them.

I will keep you all updated on my progress save my email hakeemrahshad@hotmail.com
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Bob Loblaw Esq. on December 02, 2007, 12:23:53 PM
Novus is legit just like ALU and other online distance schools this is how foreigners get their Degree to practice medicine in the US it seems a lot of you really need to go back and study the law on state and federal. First I have enroll in novus base on others I have known who have use this alternative method. Schools like Novus and others get a bad name b/c of of Major schools dont want the competition but change is coming many our getting their degree online. Once I finished Novus I will be attending Georgetown for 1 year then I will be elgible for the state bar. Some out jealous b/c they spent a fortune on law school and did not seek and another route. What made me persue a law degree was real estate and my personal experience with the justice system. i beat a high power attorney in my brothers case which they chose not to show up and the judge ask my brother who help him is a very talentive lawyer but it was me little old me. Many others are seeking their degrees online.  www.lawschoolbible.com is another great source. Why should any one respond to you guys when you are so negative. and not supportive just b/c you are going to be an attorney or what ever you persue will not make you rich. I want to be one so I can help others learn by helping others you will be bless in return. When the King of the Mountain see competition their react scared because they obtain everything  by pertending to be someone and when change come they dont now how to adapt they slowly burn out and try to bring others down with them.

I will keep you all updated on my progress save my email hakeemrahshad@hotmail.com

lol
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: hakeem on December 03, 2007, 02:49:56 PM
nice to see you laughing but this Lawyer who is mentoring me I have been working with him for over 5 years hehas 5 Law firms in VA and DC area well respected and he earned his degree throuh DL and online. You can go to the best schools doesnt mean a thing its how you apply your-self I probaly have more court room experience than you but I do sincerely hope for the best for you and others. Remember this, its not only what you know its who you associate with will be your outcome.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: thorc954 on December 03, 2007, 03:12:21 PM
nice to see you laughing but this Lawyer who is mentoring me I have been working with him for over 5 years hehas 5 Law firms in VA and DC area well respected and he earned his degree throuh DL and online. You can go to the best schools doesnt mean a thing its how you apply your-self I probaly have more court room experience than you but I do sincerely hope for the best for you and others. Remember this, its not only what you know its who you associate with will be your outcome.

I think he was laughing because you talk up the great education you are getting through that law school and yet cannot form a coherent sentence.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Bob Loblaw Esq. on December 05, 2007, 04:14:55 AM
nice to see you laughing but this Lawyer who is mentoring me I have been working with him for over 5 years hehas 5 Law firms in VA and DC area well respected and he earned his degree throuh DL and online. You can go to the best schools doesnt mean a thing its how you apply your-self I probaly have more court room experience than you but I do sincerely hope for the best for you and others. Remember this, its not only what you know its who you associate with will be your outcome.

I think he was laughing because you talk up the great education you are getting through that law school and yet cannot form a coherent sentence.

yes, that is correct.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: thorc954 on December 05, 2007, 07:14:02 AM
nice to see you laughing but this Lawyer who is mentoring me I have been working with him for over 5 years hehas 5 Law firms in VA and DC area well respected and he earned his degree throuh DL and online. You can go to the best schools doesnt mean a thing its how you apply your-self I probaly have more court room experience than you but I do sincerely hope for the best for you and others. Remember this, its not only what you know its who you associate with will be your outcome.

I think he was laughing because you talk up the great education you are getting through that law school and yet cannot form a coherent sentence.

yes, that is correct.

word
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: domyumbri on December 15, 2007, 12:38:21 PM
You can obtain your JD thru Novus and take 26 aba credits(which can now be taken online(-see onlinelawschoolbook.com   and sit for DC Bar. I received an email from DC stating they accept novus law school with teh 26 aba credits.  technically, you dont have to go the CAL route with the baby bar with novus. But, more debt since you do need 1 year at an ABA(again their are online LLM programs)
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: lmorrismig on December 25, 2007, 05:27:01 PM
Hello everyone.
I hope your holidays were pleasant.  I have a quick question.  Could anyone tell me whether or not one could take the California "baby bar" with a Novus BSL or JD?
This is a very informative discussion.  I enjoy the topics.
Thanks.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: amyslaw on December 31, 2007, 04:21:30 AM
Hi. This is so odd that I just happened across this topic becuase I have been considering going back to school and have been trying to look around for accreditation on them (Novus) and I went on the ABA site and it does not seem to be there anywhere on their list of schools. Are there any accredited online JD programs anyone? I have been ill so online is key for me right now. Thanks. ;)
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: thorc954 on December 31, 2007, 08:01:01 AM
Hi. This is so odd that I just happened across this topic becuase I have been considering going back to school and have been trying to look around for accreditation on them (Novus) and I went on the ABA site and it does not seem to be there anywhere on their list of schools. Are there any accredited online JD programs anyone? I have been ill so online is key for me right now. Thanks. ;)

not that I know of, you would be so much better, either way, to wait to you feel better then go to a real law school. People at tier four law schools struggle to find jobs and online schools hve a much lower reputation so job prospects are even bleaker.  Plus, coming from someone in law school, you dont even want to approach it if you are sick.  Its too draining on your mind and body to go into it without feeling good.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Jhuen_the_bird on December 31, 2007, 09:47:38 AM
If someone is so afraid of human contact and the "typical" (grueling, competative, painful) law school experience, then do they really want to be a lawyer?  I mean, whether or not an online school is legit, other attorneys will say OH  :-\ if you tell them in the future how you became an attorney ... law school is kind of a hazing ritual right of passage type of deal :)
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: joemama on January 14, 2008, 02:05:08 AM
I would love to go head to head against online law school grads, but they never pass the bar so I never get the chance to humiliate them in court.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Nimmy on February 04, 2008, 03:02:59 AM
Novus is legit just like ALU and other online distance schools this is how foreigners get their Degree to practice medicine in the US it seems a lot of you really need to go back and study the law on state and federal. First I have enroll in novus base on others I have known who have use this alternative method. Schools like Novus and others get a bad name b/c of of Major schools dont want the competition but change is coming many our getting their degree online. Once I finished Novus I will be attending Georgetown for 1 year then I will be elgible for the state bar. Some out jealous b/c they spent a fortune on law school and did not seek and another route. What made me persue a law degree was real estate and my personal experience with the justice system. i beat a high power attorney in my brothers case which they chose not to show up and the judge ask my brother who help him is a very talentive lawyer but it was me little old me. Many others are seeking their degrees online.  www.lawschoolbible.com is another great source. Why should any one respond to you guys when you are so negative. and not supportive just b/c you are going to be an attorney or what ever you persue will not make you rich. I want to be one so I can help others learn by helping others you will be bless in return. When the King of the Mountain see competition their react scared because they obtain everything  by pertending to be someone and when change come they dont now how to adapt they slowly burn out and try to bring others down with them.

I will keep you all updated on my progress save my email hakeemrahshad@hotmail.com

Make sure to bump when you start at GULC.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: jd2008 on February 05, 2008, 01:08:08 PM
Novus is only "real" in the aspect of being a member of the better business burea in California. Yes, you can do study under another attorney to get licensed, but you dont need Novus to do that. Dont let them lie to you. They are not bar approved. They are not accredited by anyone. Even the state approval agency that reconised in CA got shut down, so that is even gone now. In many states its illegal to use a fake degree. You could go to jail for placing Novus on a job application. If you found a good lawyer to learn under great. Skip Novus, use the lawyer. If he wants you to have a degree online use an "executive JD" from an accredited online school.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: BigJohn on February 17, 2008, 02:35:25 PM
Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL

NOVUS LAW SCHOOL is not listed on the CA BAR website in any section as a law school which will qualify a graduate to sit for the Baby Bar FYLSX and the CA Bar exam. I spoke with Ray Lavell at the CA BAR and he had no information about Novus. If one could sit for the CA FYLSX and after graduation the CA BAR exam, then I would be interested in the program. I believe however that your posting is correct about NOVUS is a tool for those students who will either be apprentices or law clerks, etc.

BigJohn
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: bp1028 on March 12, 2008, 08:50:00 AM
Yes, I am a Novus Law School graduate.  I graduated last July (07) and it was a good and useful experience.  It took me 2 years.  I have not taken a bar as I really have no intentions of practicing law except for the legal handling of matters for my self. I learned a lot and feel that I could pass a bar if necessary.

There seems to be about 15 or so online law schools.  None are ABA accrediated for the JD degree so don't even look for that.  I ran accross a new one the other day, Mid-Atlantic School of Law, which looked interesting.  It also appears to be the least expensive by far.  I think the sit is www.midatlanticlaw.org.

If you are considering an online law degree then do it.  You will not regret having that knowledge and it will help no matter what you do with your degree.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: JD_of_torts on March 23, 2008, 03:22:06 AM
Hello,

I have bene working with an attorney for 5 years now. I have completed a certificate for Paralegal. I really love the passion and discssion and rigorous debate I ahve with my attorney. He is a 70 year old man who was a former assistant DA. I started out as a client and worked with him for 3 years on my particular dilemma and had a successful outcome. Success helps but all that aside - he is a very bright and fun man to work with! Wonderful to work with and really stretches my brain. I have helped him out on several cases here and there and now plan to do some part time work finally.  I am excited at the prospect of tackleing a JD. 

I have been in discussion with NOVUS online law school. At this point I am ready to go for it. Mainly because I found that I can take the BAR in another state and then return to my home state to practice law under certain circumstances.  I am doing this with the sincere hope that online law schools will one day be accepted to sit on the BAR. So I hop I can finish this before Bruce turns 73 and he is in good health perhaps we can work together for a couple of years.  For me this is about the only option as I have a family, work full time, and have my plate full! I am truly excited about this wonderful opportunity.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: mtfbwy on March 23, 2008, 06:40:36 AM
Why not just register for BarBri (the course recent law school grads take in preparation for the bar)?  The outlines the course provides give you the black letter law that you need to know, and each day a professor (likely on video) walks you through the material for a few hours.  It costs about $2,500. 

What does Novus cost?  How would it differ from BarBri? 

Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Distinguished Judge on December 12, 2008, 08:05:45 PM
Dear Jeannie,
                        many thanks (and other Novus Alumnae) for your detailed information of Novus Law School. My thoughts were along the same lines but it takes like minded people to explore other avenues.   ;D

Many thanks

Distinctive Judge  ;)

Yes this is true but I would still like to hear from people who went to the school or took the courses. I checked them out on the Better Business web site and they look clean. If this is a scam we should try and get as much information out on it as possible to prevent anyone from being burned. ;D

Dear Discussion Members:

Novus isn't a "sham" school. Many DL (distance learning) schools do not have a campus - University of Phoenix for example (until recently) the Open and Distance Learning University in the UK and so on. Here's the thing...distance education has notoriously been considered sub-standard - yes and no. Having taken many, many course online, I can tell you all that the level of interaction, course development and delivery methods should be a primarly consideration for those of you who have never taken a distance course.

Of paramount importance when chosing anyinstitution - traditional or DL - is that you must make sure that it is accredited. There are two types of accreditation, Regional and National. Accreditation allows you to take the credits you earn at one instituion and transfer them to another. For example, if you recieve a lesser degree from a non-accredited institution, then attempt to use that degree to obtain a higher degree (sometimes a necessary requirement) your credits will not be acknowledged. The U.S. Board of Higher Education can help you find and/or confirm whoch schools have accreditation. Generally, Regional accreditation is the one most accepted. Although Novus' information states that having accreditation does not necessarily guarantee transfer of credits - NOT having accreditation most assuredly guarantees a 99% chance another school will not allow the transfer.

Faculty interaction, student support services (including online tutoring) and accessible course design are worth their weight in gold - trust me on this. I recently graduated from the Masters in Distance Education program at University of Maryland University College. I have also been a distance education program coordinator and advisor for a Criminal Justice and Criminology program..and, as I stated, a long time distance learner. I know the difference between a well designed program and one that is not.

Although Novus is a wonderful financial "deal", you must research their qualifications, take into account what you might need in the future ("I want to teach when I grow up"), how it is you learn, time considerations and committments. Novus is, essentially, a map to help you get where you want to go - a law degree - sort of like a blue print. If you aren't an architect you may find yourself having a heck of a time building that house. Of course, this doesn't mean that you cannot get what you want from Novus, it means that you must chose what is right for you. This is what will guarantee your success.

My e-mail is not blocked. If you have questions about a program, please feel free to contact me...I'm always happy to help. We're in the same boat!

Jeannie

Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: PSUDSL08 on December 12, 2008, 09:51:49 PM
I find it to be somewhat suspicious that many of the people that seem to be posting their personal success stories, or otherwise attempting to dispel the rumors (whether truthful or not) have very few posts on this site. I also find it suspicious that the following information does not appear to be readily available on the website:

1. What percentage of Novus JD grads are permitted to sit for the bar exam in California, Maine, NY, Vermont, Washington, or Wyoming? Of those grads permitted to sit for the bar exams in those respective states, what is the general passage rate for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd time takers?

2. Tantamount to #1, some states that will you to sit for a bar exam upon taking 26 credits at an ABA approved school or by pursuing an LLM at an ABA approved school. What percentage of those students that pursue this opportunity are admitted to an ABA school? What are some of these schools? What are the average costs these students incur in pursuing either the 26 credits or the LLM?

3. Of those students who seek an education from Novus as a supplement to their existing careers, what percentage of those students have received salary increases/raises as a result of completing the JD program through Novus within the first 1-3 years?

4. Of the numerous administrative/government agencies listed on the following website (http://www.novuscatalog.org/alegaledu.html), how many of them are in higher policy making positions as opposed to administrative/secretarial positions?

5. What percentage of Novus alums have salaries approaching the $70K Doctorate Degree and $81K Professional Degree figures listed on the following website: http://www.novuscatalog.org/laborstats.htm

6. For those who have obtained JD's and are bar admitted, or permitted to practice under the supervision of other attorneys...do you have a list of law firms where these alums are currently employed?

I could come up with at least 20 more questions designed to elicit important information that should be considered before deciding to attend any school. To give my initial impression, I think it's somewhat deceptive that the Novus website focuses upon what you can hypothetically do with a degree from Novus (become bar admitted, obtain $70K/$81K salaries, laundry list of government agencies, etc) but fails to reflect upon what actual Novus grads are currently doing with their degrees (bar passage rates, mean salaries of grads, etc). If my goal was to really push distance learning as a practical and worthwhile alternative to attending a traditional law school, then this type of information is worth gathering for many obvious reasons.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: MAF on December 19, 2008, 05:39:53 AM
This is my first post to this site. Nevertheless, I have been desiring to become an attorney since I was in undergraduate school. Yet, I don't have the most positive background record and it is for this reason that I have never taken the LSAT and applied to an ABA law school. I have,however, contacted state bar associations to determine if I could someday reach my dream of becoming an attorney. The most difficult step is gaining acceptance to an ABA law school followed by providing proof that I have a good moral character beyond my troubled past. The latter is easy because I have degree's and references which would help prove that I have since remained a decent moral person for the past 11 years.

Despite the struggle to just hold down a decent job, which I haven't been able to find even with a bachelors degree, I determined that school/education was my best chance of providing a solid record that people can change even if people aren't willing to give me a chance. So, I learned a hard lesson when I graduated with a Bachelors degree and found that finding a decent paying job who would be like searching for a needle in a hay stack. I needed to obtain a Professional Degree that would allow me to someday start my own company with just a few years experience. The Professional degree would put me in a category that most people cannot apply for. For instance, you will not find an ex-housekeeper applying for a Jr. Staff Accountants position. Even if the person did, unless that person has a professional degree, their application will not even be considered for the position because they don't meet the qualification. I do understand that my background could be cause for rejection. But, I also understand that if I obtain a professional degree which the major is in demand, at some point, I'll find someone willing to give me a chance.

Currently, I work part time doing jobs that someone with a Bachelors degree would never think they should have to do. There are 15 and 16 year old girls and boys working at WalMart making more money than I do. I don't complain because a job is better than having no job. I do, however, continue to educate myself. I'm also a graduate student working on my Master's degree in Accounting and Finance. In the next 5 years, I plan to take the CPA exam. Even with the CPA exam, I'll have to prove that I am of moral fitness. No worries here. I've done my homework and I don't think I will have too much of a struggle though I do expect to have a difficult time proving myself. As long as it's not impossible, there's still a chance that I can make it happen. By the way, that's my motto, "Make it Happen." Finding people that will give me a chance is difficult, so, I'll make it happen that they will give me a chance.

My point in telling my story is that DL law school sometimes provides opportunities for those that ABA law schools would never allow someone like me to reach. Yet, the problem is that unless you attend an DL law school with a current job related to the legal field, you would find it more difficult to obtain work as a JD with a DL law degree than a JD from an accredited ABA law school on the lowest tier level.

So, for me, I've decided not to attend any DL law for now. My focus is on completing my Master's degree in Accounting and Finance, obtaining a job as a Jr. Staff Accountant, study for the CPA exam, pass the CPA exam, obtain a position as a Certified Public Accountant (CPA) and then begin my process of taking the LSAT and applying to Law schools. If at that point in my life I've been turned down from ABA Law schools because of my past record, then and only then would I apply to a DL law school. Thus, the DL law school degree is a back door entrance into the legal field.

Nevertheless, I'm going to be a finance attorney someday. I'm going to make it happen. I'm  not going to sit and wait for it to come to me and I'm not going to allow rejection to steer me off my path. I've come this far and its no turning back for me. If at some point, I have to attend Novus Law School because no ABA law school is willing to recognize my accomplishment beyond my trouble past, then so be it as long as it the path that leads to me reaching my dreams of being a finance attorney someday. As my mother told me, "You just made the ride a lot bumpier than most people experience, but it doesn't mean you cannot arrive at the same destination, albeit shaken but not stirred."
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: SW-likesLaw on February 05, 2009, 01:47:18 AM
Hi everyone

I am enrolled at Novus University Novus Law School since July 2008 which is a non accredited online Law school.

I have a full time job oversees and really want to study law or I better say I like to study towards my JD degree

Novus is some sort of inexpensive, monthly small $ amount, no classroom attendance and most important in my case I can study on my own speed level.

First I thought, well, thats with limitation, however, you as each individual has to make the decision, but as I mentioned I am totally satisfied and who knows about changes ABA in the future. And one more to keep in mind:

There are many different ways to reach a final destination.

By the way, I sometimes think it would be great being in a study group to solve issues and whatsoever could help.. Any suggestions or study groups who would adopt an online Law student from Novus??

Greetings from Munich Germany,
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: dle on March 19, 2009, 01:28:09 AM
Hi!

I have created a topic for all students of Novus Law School at this URL: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,4018736.0.html, so I encourage everyone posts your questions and your experiences in here.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: gemhotline on June 29, 2009, 04:31:16 PM
I have been a student at Novus Law School for about 18 months. I don't plan on taking the bar and just want to learn the discipline of law, use it in my job as director of a background screening company, and generally challenge myself. It really is self study with very little academic support. I don't understand some of the grades that are given and when I challenge them, the response seems as if they have not read my essays. I am almost done and have waited for my last grade for over a month. I am growing concerned that they may have gone belly-up. They don't answer my emails or phone calls. Does anyone know anything?
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: dle on July 04, 2009, 01:28:43 AM
I have been a student at Novus Law School for about 18 months. I don't plan on taking the bar and just want to learn the discipline of law, use it in my job as director of a background screening company, and generally challenge myself. It really is self study with very little academic support. I don't understand some of the grades that are given and when I challenge them, the response seems as if they have not read my essays. I am almost done and have waited for my last grade for over a month. I am growing concerned that they may have gone belly-up. They don't answer my emails or phone calls. Does anyone know anything?

Hi gemhotline,


I am a student at Novus too, but I do not have much experiences to help you for this. I think you can contact their student service at phone number 818-392-8260 or email student@nulaw.org.

Hope this helps.

--
D.L
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Content1az on August 06, 2009, 01:42:22 PM
Let me give an example of the scam it is.   I signed up but was unable to continue and tried to withdraw.  First, they make you sign a notarized form that you must mail to withdraw.   After 2 weekss, I wrote to ask if they had received it.  They had never said what they said in repsonse until now of the "Non-refundable" nature of the registration.  they wrote "

Student Degree Level:  Juris Doctor
Student Degree Major:  Law
Date of Enrollment:       August 2, 2008
Term for Enrollment:      Fall 2008 August 25, 2008
Period for Enrollment:  2 years 08/25/08 – 08/25/10
 
 
 
Dear Student,
 
Novus has an established refund policy for students who withdrawal from their studies. Withdrawal is based upon fairness to the student and nationally accepted refund policies. At Novus tuition is for a degree term and that term is 24 Months for Juris Doctor studies. A withdrawal fee of $300.00 is charged and all other tuition is refunded according to a sliding scale up to 30 days after the registration date, after 30 days, NO Refund is granted.
 
This policy is a Novus policy and most every other private or state university has a similar policy as to refunds. If a student registered for a semester term at resident school they must withdraw within the withdrawal period to be eligible for a refund, and whether they complete the term or not they are obligated to pay for the term registered. If the student has received a student loan or financing they are obligated to pay the loan whether they complete the term or not, if they withdraw after the refund period.
 
When you registered for the program your tuition was charged in full. You signed your Student Orientation Form and your student materials were sent to you. Your faxed withdrawal was received on July 15, 2009 for a period of 11 months in the program. Your refund due is none and your balance owed for tuition financed and unreturned Text Books is: $7229.51 + $300.00 Withdrawal fee = total due to Novus: $7529.51
 
These policies are outlined, as required, in the official Novus online catalog website, and student manual. You signed the Student Orientation Form stating that you read and understood these policies and procedures.
 
Students who withdraw and fail to pay finance fees and tuition balances will be placed in financial default and reported to all appropriate credit reporting agencies as a default on student financing and legal collection procedures will be utilized to collect tuition balances including legal action with attorney’s fees. Please make payment in full or please contact the Law School at student@nulaw.org to make payment arrangements to pay your remaining balance due with in ten days from date of this letter
 
Thank you,
T. Booker
Finance Dept.
Novus

This was all news to me.   In addition, the degree is a vanity one, that you still must apprentice with an attorney or a judge which requires no schooling anyway.   So I wrote back:

This is beginning to look like a scam, so let me get this straight, I have paid over a thousands to you, and short of 3 books valued about $135, you are now saying I owe you  $7,521!   Do remember, I read a few things before I withdrew and I will do some reporting too.  To the corporations commission, etc.; as in my case, this is so unreasonable as to shock the conscience.   Luckily, I do have access to attorneys at my work and will fight this.   

Remember, I have been to accredited law schools and they did not try to pull this one.   Add to the fact your degree does not even entitle you to take the bar without getting experience like working for a judge for attorney, at most it is a vanity degree, or else you would obtain certification.   I stand ready to fight you every step of the way.   In the accredited law school I attended, University of La Verne, I was top of my class in contracts.   Good chance to fight this and practice my skills.

I did keep all the materials you sent, since it was all by email, and I will go carefully over it and give you my opinion.   I was never asking for a refund of what had been paid, but I will make an offer to settle now for ending this for what has been paid as liquidated damages.   Should you persist in this claim I will go for a full refund.  You inflexibility gives a person no other choice.

You never mentioned if you received the notarized withdrawl.  By your new claim I can assume you are on notice.

so to answer your question, yes, it is a scam.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: lawrookie on August 09, 2009, 10:38:55 AM
That plus is in many states(such as Texas) it is ILLEGAL to use an unaccredited degree. They literally are asking people to committ a crime by allowing the to enroll in those states. I'm suprised the federal govt dosnt view that as a crime against states lines and send the FBI in to shut them down and put those in charge of it in federal prison.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Ladylaw2009 on October 17, 2009, 11:28:37 AM
I was just reading the online broshure for this law school, I am confused, are you allowed to sit for the Florida Bar yes or no? Is this an acredited school? I would really appreciate any feed back of anyone with information about this. Thanks have a great day  :-\
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: lawrookie on October 22, 2009, 07:18:25 PM
it's not able to sit any bar and is not accredited by anyone. In many ways it is illegal.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: nealric on October 23, 2009, 12:47:29 PM
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Nevertheless, I'm going to be a finance attorney someday


Please, for the love of all that is good in the world, at least go to an ABA school if this is your goal. This is pretty much a biglaw only practice area. There are no online law school graduates in the ENTIRE UNITED STATES in ANY biglaw firm. NONE.

There is a lot to be said about the "make it happen" attitude, but the "make it happen" part needs to come at the point of getting into an ABA school.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: skillmanlaw2 on November 30, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
Thank goodness there is an understanding for the need of Distance Education Law and Novus Law School does provide this. Going to school can get in the way of doing what is really needed/working with the law. Ask yourself how many of the schools did get started and then research the information. If you already have a degree or two degrees, then why do you not know how to follow instructions with a distance school? Taking the BAR is a goal, but why can you not get a law school degree online. Asking questions and getting the answers might help to better comprehend the real issues at present needing changed. Realizing the problems for what is needed only can contribute to distance law schools.                   :o
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: lawrookie on April 05, 2010, 07:57:13 PM
Online law degrees are ok, but Novus isnt approved by the state bar so you cant become a lawyer via it. I repeat not able to become a lawyer.


Thank goodness there is an understanding for the need of Distance Education Law and Novus Law School does provide this. Going to school can get in the way of doing what is really needed/working with the law. Ask yourself how many of the schools did get started and then research the information. If you already have a degree or two degrees, then why do you not know how to follow instructions with a distance school? Taking the BAR is a goal, but why can you not get a law school degree online. Asking questions and getting the answers might help to better comprehend the real issues at present needing changed. Realizing the problems for what is needed only can contribute to distance law schools.                   :o
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Dezarie123 on May 29, 2011, 08:59:45 AM
WELL I AM TRYING TO ATTEND NOVUS NOW AND I SEE THAT ALL THEIR DISCLOSURES ARE ON THE PAGE LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT ACCREDITED IN ANY WAY. ALSO I FEEL AS THOUGH IF YOU WANT TO GO TO AN ON LINE SCHOOL IT WOULD BE BETTER IF ITS CHEAPER AND LESS STRESFUL ANYWAY BECAUSE ALL THE ONLINE SCHOOL MAKE YOU PAY ALL THESE FEES TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE BAR OF CALIFORNIA AND MORE FEES TO TAKE THE DAG ON FIRST YEAR LAW STUDENTS EXAMS ETC.  IF YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU CANNOT GET INTO A TRADITIONAL LAW SCHOOL AND ON LINE IS YOUR OPTION THEN I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH NOVUS (AS LONG AS THEY SEND YOUR BOOKS AND MATERIALS ETC).  NOVUS ALLOWS YOU TO FINISH IN TWO YEARS IF YOU ARE REALLY FOCUSED.  IF YOU ARE GOING TO WASTE YOUR TIME ON A ON LINE LAW SCHOOL WHY GO SOMEWHERE FOR FOUR LONG YEARS AND WASTE TIME ( AS OPPOSED TO TWO YERS AT NOVUS) AND MONEY AND STILL NOT KNOW IF YOU CAN USE YOUR ONLINE DEGREE ANYWHERE ANYWAY.  I DONT SEE THE BOTHER IN THE HEADACHE.  JUST MY OPINION. 
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Swede1 on May 29, 2011, 11:32:29 AM
@Dezarie123.  When you type in all caps like that it makes it VERY difficult to read. I, for one, don't bother reading past the first few words when you do that. Just a hint.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: passaroa25 on June 01, 2011, 10:17:25 PM
I said this before and I'll say it again:  It really doesn't matter which online law school the student attends.  This is because the student is the one that does the learning.  Only a few years ago, home schooling was looked down on.  Now, it's an accepted alternative form of getting an education.  Online law school graduates will have to demonstrate that they know much more than brick and mortar law school graduates.   Getting published, self-published, or published online is one way to do this.  Other online law school graduates prefer to intern in an attorney's office.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: ms.perfect on July 14, 2011, 02:32:03 PM
Hello,
are you still at Novus? I am ready to send in my criminal Law exam.

Greetings from Munich
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: passaroa25 on July 14, 2011, 09:41:53 PM
What is your daily study schedule?  Do you work also?
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: ms.perfect on July 15, 2011, 03:35:32 PM
Hi,
yes I do work as international Flight Attendant......However.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: fortook on October 17, 2011, 12:21:35 PM
WELL I AM TRYING TO ATTEND NOVUS NOW AND I SEE THAT ALL THEIR DISCLOSURES ARE ON THE PAGE LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT ACCREDITED IN ANY WAY. ALSO I FEEL AS THOUGH IF YOU WANT TO GO TO AN ON LINE SCHOOL IT WOULD BE BETTER IF ITS CHEAPER AND LESS STRESFUL ANYWAY BECAUSE ALL THE ONLINE SCHOOL MAKE YOU PAY ALL THESE FEES TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE BAR OF CALIFORNIA AND MORE FEES TO TAKE THE DAG ON FIRST YEAR LAW STUDENTS EXAMS ETC.  IF YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU CANNOT GET INTO A TRADITIONAL LAW SCHOOL AND ON LINE IS YOUR OPTION THEN I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH NOVUS (AS LONG AS THEY SEND YOUR BOOKS AND MATERIALS ETC).  NOVUS ALLOWS YOU TO FINISH IN TWO YEARS IF YOU ARE REALLY FOCUSED.  IF YOU ARE GOING TO WASTE YOUR TIME ON A ON LINE LAW SCHOOL WHY GO SOMEWHERE FOR FOUR LONG YEARS AND WASTE TIME ( AS OPPOSED TO TWO YERS AT NOVUS) AND MONEY AND STILL NOT KNOW IF YOU CAN USE YOUR ONLINE DEGREE ANYWHERE ANYWAY.  I DONT SEE THE BOTHER IN THE HEADACHE.  JUST MY OPINION.

CAPS can be over used (AND are WAY too OFTEN). I couldn't read through this mess. You are not doing Novus any favors here.

CA has no school bar restriction so anyone can take the CA bar, law school or no law school.  That is why you may be able to practice in CA only, if you go to any online school.  CA, however, has one of the toughest bar exams in the country.  I have never met a practicing attorney who went to an online school.  Does anyone here know one?  I think I read an article once where the attorney on record for some case went to California School of Law, but never personally met any online law school grad attorney.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: justanothersucker on October 17, 2011, 12:58:31 PM

Uneducated untruths, or straightup lies. Either way you are wrong. There are many restrictions and split into many different types with their own additional restrictions and regulations. Look into something before you blow BS out your Oris-sphincter

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CA has no school bar restriction so anyone can take the CA bar, law school or no law school.  That is why you may be able to practice in CA only, if you go to any online school.  [/quote]
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: fortook on October 17, 2011, 01:20:40 PM
This is a time when caps can be use to make a statement clearer:  CA has no SCHOOL bar restriction, hence being technically able to take the bar exam after going to an online law school.  Of course there are other restrictions. Please read the whole phrase before criticizing.  Being so rude about something YOU misread makes you look the fool, btw.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: justanothersucker on October 17, 2011, 01:25:55 PM
still wrong. Caps or no caps. LOTS of restrictions on the schools. Try again. Provide proof if you are so sure of yourself.

This is a time when caps can be use to make a statement clearer:  CA has no SCHOOL bar restriction, hence being technically able to take the bar exam after going to an online law school.  Of course there are other restrictions. Please read the whole phrase before criticizing.  Being so rude about something YOU misread makes you look the fool, btw.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: fortook on October 17, 2011, 01:39:08 PM
Lets approach it from another angle rather than trying to prove a negative.  What are the school restrictions?  Do applicants need to go to an ABA accredited school?  Do applicants need to go to a state accredited school?  Can applicants go to an unaccredited online school and still sit for the CA bar?  Are there any law school restrictions limiting who can sit for the CA bar?  If the answer to any is yes, the OP really needs to know. 

The selling point of these various online schools is preparation for the CA bar, not fulfilling a requirement. Every other state requires a JD from either a state accredited or ABA law school to sit for the bar.  CA does not.  That is one reason the CA bar exam is so fricin hard.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: justanothersucker on October 17, 2011, 01:44:06 PM
of course these restrictions exists.

Classic 1L trying to sound smart when he's not. 2 minutes in a search engine would take you to their govt run site to get this info. The baby needs its spoon held for it? Fine.  http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Education/LegalEducation/LawSchools.aspx
Breaks it into all catagories. So yes school restrictions. Many. More than any other state to be honest(due to the different catagories)
You can't just print off a self styled "JD" off your computer (or ask NOVUS -who is fake- to do it for you either)


Lets approach it from another angle rather than trying to prove a negative.  What are the school restrictions?  Do applicants need to go to an ABA accredited school?  Do applicants need to go to a state accredited school?  Can applicants go to an unaccredited online school and still sit for the CA bar?  Are there any law school restrictions limiting who can sit for the CA bar?  If the answer to any is yes, the OP really needs to know. 

The selling point of these various online schools is preparation for the CA bar, not fulfilling a requirement. Every other state requires a JD from either a state accredited or ABA law school to sit for the bar.  CA does not.  That is one reason the CA bar exam is so fricin hard.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: justanothersucker on October 17, 2011, 01:46:27 PM
You are wrong about every other state requiring a JD from an ABA. Several other states have their own state bar only approved law schools (albeit brick&mortar) Many others allow internships to practice law without even having a JD if done under court/bar supervision.

You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?

Heck- While we're on the band wagon of stuff you probably are clueless about, did you know that several states allow online grads to practice in their state after practicing in CA first for a few years? Others allow you to at least peition to be allowed without even sitting the CA bar first?

Are you also aware that at least one state still allows people who graduate from its local lawschool to skip the bar and go right into practice?
They call it the "good ol'boy rule".

Do yourself a favor. Spend time researching some of this stuff, and then if you want come back and make posts that know what they are talking about.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: fortook on October 17, 2011, 02:06:45 PM
Yes I am aware of the good ol' boy rule in Wisconsin.  I also mentioned state accredited schools. So, yup, check and check.  As to the reciprocity issue (that is what you are referring to is called), not addressed- we're talking about the CA bar versus other state bars, not reciprocity.  But, okaaaaay.

What states still allow apprenticeship lawyers?  You are right I do not know of any states that still allow apprenticed attorneys to practice.  Are there any? If so, name it.

It is kind of obvious you likely go or went to a CA online school.  That's okay.  Please be less vague and provide some specifics rather that say "did you know a state even..."- name the frickin state you weirdo, especially if you use words like "proof".

Okay, deep breath in, deep breath out.  I checked the link you provided.  Rules are stated for the schools by the state, not the student bar applicants.  Now I must ask:  wtf do you think we are talking about?  Below please find a link to Chinese pandas fathered by Russian dolphins- in will prove you so wrong.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: fortook on October 17, 2011, 02:32:49 PM
Okay, I'll "prove" a negative by showing a positive.  The only concrete education requirement in CA is two years of college, you do not even need a bachelor's degree.  Other than that an applicant must show an understanding of the law through education, business or apprenticeship. 

So you are right there is an school requirement, but is is only two years undergrad not law school.

http://rules.calbar.ca.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=-2KV5j0w6Cw%3d&tabid=1227

Look it up, sweet cheeks under Chapter 3.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: justanothersucker on October 18, 2011, 07:42:40 PM
You just want to talk don't you. Look up the first year bar exam. On average 18% pass it.
That seems like a huge enough gate keeper to me. Even ABA students who volunteer to take it (implies ambition and studying to take since not required for them) Have a 60% FAIL rate on it. -So yeah, if a 3L from an online school says something, you can trust him more than an ABA grad who's already passed the bar.

The 60 credits is a state requirment. Applies to the ABA schools too. More states than just CA allow that.
In reality who cares about that part anways? If they can pass the exam that almost no one else who takes it can, they're fine.
As stated-Lots of regulations. Not only simular but harder than most states. 

Okay, I'll "prove" a negative by showing a positive.  The only concrete education requirement in CA is two years of college, you do not even need a bachelor's degree.  Other than that an applicant must show an understanding of the law through education, business or apprenticeship. 

So you are right there is an school requirement, but is is only two years undergrad not law school.

http://rules.calbar.ca.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=-2KV5j0w6Cw%3d&tabid=1227

Look it up, sweet cheeks under Chapter 3.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: justanothersucker on October 18, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
You can not be this pathetic. Not even for a 1L.

What states still allow apprenticeship lawyers?  You are right I do not know of any states that still allow apprenticed attorneys to practice.  Are there any? If so, name it.

 Please be less vague and provide some specifics rather that say "did you know a state even..."- name the frickin state you weirdo, especially if you use words like "proof".

Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: fortook on October 18, 2011, 09:08:30 PM
Indeed I am.  Name a state.  Please.  Vague generalizations are cheap. 

Show me how to be as informed as you.  Please. Which states have apprenticed lawyers, physicians, dentist and other professionals? 

I think, you might not know what "apprenticed" means and that it was the predominate pre-20th century system for professionals.  Crazy antiquated. Apprenticed lawyers, were apprenticed- meaning the didn't go to school for law or even undergrad.  CA allows it (kind of), what others do? 

I want to be you.  Just a nicer you.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: IrrX on October 19, 2011, 12:12:31 AM
California, Vermont, Virginia and Washington: no law school required before beginning apprenticeship, aka "reading the law."
New York: one year of law school prior to beginning apprenticeship.
Maine: two years of law school prior to beginning apprenticeship.

That should be a good enough starting point to check their bar association pages and confirm.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: fortook on October 19, 2011, 03:31:42 AM
Really? Kudos IrrX.  I didn't know that.  Funny how it took you 3 sentences to say what that d-bag has been trying to say for 3 pages filled with mostly insults.

Do people still do the apprenticeships? Can't say I have ever heard of it being done, at least since the 19th century.

Thanks, man
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: IrrX on October 19, 2011, 10:29:26 AM
I don't personally know anyone who has, but the option exists if someone wants to. The trick is finding a lawyer who's willing to put in the kind of effort it takes to get someone through an apprenticeship and pass the bar. I imagine it would take a lot to convince someone to do it, or an already close connection.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: justanothersucker on October 19, 2011, 11:44:18 AM
Yes, your laziness to look it up on your own makes others pathetic.
A lifer had to come in and spoon it feed it to you. Yet to you, that somehow makes you awsome.
Your mom must love putting your pants on you each day.

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Really? Kudos IrrX.  I didn't know that.  Funny how it took you 3 sentences to say what that d-bag has been trying to say for 3 pages filled with mostly insults.

Do people still do the apprenticeships? Can't say I have ever heard of it being done, at least since the 19th century.

Thanks, man
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Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Swede1 on October 19, 2011, 04:12:41 PM
I have never met a practicing attorney who went to an online school.  Does anyone here know one?  I think I read an article once where the attorney on record for some case went to California School of Law, but never personally met any online law school grad attorney.

There are quite a few practicing in California.  ED Denson (used to manage Country Joe and the Fish) got his degree from Taft, and he is a practicing defense attorney in California.  Granted, it wasn't online when he did it, it was still actual correspondence, but it should still count I think.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: justanothersucker on October 19, 2011, 04:18:26 PM
Correspondence should count even more to show it can be done. At least online there is chatrooms,skipe,emails,PMs,etc.

Correspondence you are hanging mostly on your own. Those who can make it to the finish line that way and make a living in the field, have my full respect. Good for him.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: wayne1 on October 12, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
This is just to let Novus Grads know that Toro College took Novus to Supreme Court in New York State claiming that their Law degrees were fake and asked that the Judge rejects Novus Motion and declare that it was a diploma mill...  For those that have not kept up with the case, it started in 2013 finish in 2015, the judge first granted part of Novus Motion and denied the other, which was due to some missing issues that was not entered in the motion. That correction was made and the Supreme Court after hearing both sides told the plaintiff Toruo College that their complaint against Novus issuing fake degrees was denied and Novus won on all counts,
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 13, 2015, 07:31:45 PM
This is just to let Novus Grads know that Toro College took Novus to Supreme Court in New York State claiming that their Law degrees were fake and asked that the Judge rejects Novus Motion and declare that it was a diploma mill...  For those that have not kept up with the case, it started in 2013 finish in 2015, the judge first granted part of Novus Motion and denied the other, which was due to some missing issues that was not entered in the motion. That correction was made and the Supreme Court after hearing both sides told the plaintiff Toruo College that their complaint against Novus issuing fake degrees was denied and Novus won on all counts,
First, that was NOT what the suit was, that is what want to PRETEND it was.
Second, you didn't win any approval, but you know that, and we all know you know that, just as we know you are trying to fool idiots who don't know better, aka your target enrollment base
third, stop making alts just for one post, its obvious and pathetic, just like your entire existence as a scam "school".
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Citylaw on October 14, 2015, 09:59:41 AM
Its interesting that Touro would even be involved in the lawsuit. They are ABA approved, but not exactly a model of success and they might want to worry more about themselves and let Harvard, Yale Stanford, Georgetown etc litigate against sham schools.

As to the New York Supreme Court that is the lowest court in New York so it is just a trial decision. The New York Court of Appeals is actually New York's Supreme Court. https://www.nycourts.gov/ctapps/

So NOVUS was sued by a law school that is scrapping by as is and the lawsuit was dismissed, because there was no purpose to it. NOVUS is an unaccredited law school that provides J.D.'s to students that want to enroll. NOVUS makes no secret that it is not accredited. I assume NOVUS allows you to take the California Bar, since it is the most liberal about who it allows to sit for the exam, but I don't even know if that is true. Therefore, if someone wants to get an unaccreddited J.D. from NOVUS they can. Whether the unaccredited degree has any value is up to the consumer. 

If I was a Touro student I would be upset that the tuition dollars I paid were used on this lawsuit.

Law schools suing law schools is not really helping law students succeed. I honestly, think Touro is more to blame than NOVUS, because NOVUS is saying what it is an unaccredited law school.  I would not enroll in it nor would I advise anyone I know to enroll in NOVUS, but I am just a guy on the internet. Leave NOVUS alone and I wish the best for their current students and alumni.

Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 14, 2015, 07:14:48 PM
I assume NOVUS allows you to take the California Bar, since it is the most liberal about who it allows to sit for the exam, but I don't even know if that is true.

You would assume WRONG, thus its not even an "unaccredited law school" since that definition is used by the state bar to describe ones that CAN sit the exam.
Its just a junk piece of junk.

As for the suit, it was about people with a FAKE DEGREE showing up and getting into their school. To be fair the real blame was on them for not filtering the applicants better (as you said, they let in anyone themselves thus the REAL issue and WHY they lost the suit, NOT because Novus "won" in any way)

And as for as "leaving novus alone" Fine. Novus.......stop posting stupid *&^% and I will stop responding. Balls in their court as far as I'm concerned.
But no sympathy for people who start stuff and then complain about people responding with facts.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on October 15, 2015, 08:27:06 AM
Just curious, but how did Touro even have standing to sue Novus? What harm were they suffering due to Novus?
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Citylaw on October 15, 2015, 10:22:47 AM
I wonder if that is why the case was dismissed? If NOVUS won a motion to dismiss I assume standing was the issue.

If Touro has standing to sue NOVUS what stops Harvard from suing Touro etc.  If you thought schools fighitng for rankings was bad, why not just let them litigate with each other and the winner gets ranked #1. At least that would be an objective ranking opposed to scantrons they use.

The whole lawsuit seems stupid, why Touro a school with a less than stellar reputation itself would use its resources to attack Novus? Unless they let Touro Grads participate in the lawsuit to get experience, I don't see why Touro would pick a fight with an obscure unaccredited law school.


Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 15, 2015, 06:19:51 PM
I wonder if that is why the case was dismissed? If NOVUS won a motion to dismiss I assume standing was the issue.

If Touro has standing to sue NOVUS what stops Harvard from suing Touro etc.  If you thought schools fighitng for rankings was bad, why not just let them litigate with each other and the winner gets ranked #1. At least that would be an objective ranking opposed to scantrons they use.

The whole lawsuit seems stupid, why Touro a school with a less than stellar reputation itself would use its resources to attack Novus? Unless they let Touro Grads participate in the lawsuit to get experience, I don't see why Touro would pick a fight with an obscure unaccredited law school.

I refer you all to the first page of the very thread you are posting on to answer the questions you are now posting:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/index.php?topic=4028644.0
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Citylaw on October 15, 2015, 11:04:53 PM
Thanks for that link it answered all my questions.

 I reviewed the initial Complaint filed by Touro and was shocked that they filed it.  After reading the Complaint my understanding is that Touro accepted a NOVUS grad into their LLM program, under the impression he was a foreign law studnet. It appears Touro  did no background check on this applicant at all, because they later dismissed him for attending NOVUS.

The dismissed student sued Touro for accepting him and then deciding his "foreign law" school was not enough.

As a result of that lawsuit Touro then filed a Class Action Lawsuit in state court under a Federal Statute. (No Joke f;ing weird though)

With such a bizarre Complaint I really nerded out and looked up the full case in detail from the New York Supreme Court website, which actually maintains PDF's of all filings in the case, which is pretty cool. https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=vTwzsNTZ1XrDSxjCt/y_PLUS_oA==&display=all&courtType=New%20York%20County%20Supreme%20Court

NOVUS killed them in their motion to dismiss.

So the facts are that Touro let a NOVUS grad into their LLM program and they believed Touro was a foreign law school. They then tried to dismiss the NOVUS grad they accepted, but he sued them.  Somehow Touro blames NOVUS for their inability to check on an applicant's background. All Touro had to do was google NOVUS and they could have learned what it was.

Touro then files a class action claim in state court under a Federal Statute 20 U.S.C. 1003, which actually contains the words" Diploma Mill" but it is unclear what the remedy under the statute is. I don't know what Touro even sought to accomplish from my reading it of the filed documents Touro wanted a New York State Court to Declare Novus a school in the Marshall Islands a diploma mill under a Federal Statute. What a declaration of a Diploma Mill would even do is unclear, which is why the court dismissed the case for the lack of any justifiable controversy.


The court needed no more than one page to say there is no controversy and dismissed the case.

I have to ask what the hell was Touro thinking? They screwed up by admitting a NOVUS grad and apparently conducting no background check whatsoever on their LLM applicants. It seems like you would sweep your inability to use diligence under the rug, but instead they sued NOVUS for no apparent reason.

Just bizarre really the only relief they sought from the State Court was to declare NOVUS a Diploma Mill under a Federal Statute. WTF? Why would a class action be necessary for that either?

Good for NOVUS and as to Touro if you make a mistake take accountability for it . Don't attack some obscure unaccredited law school, because your taking money from applicants without doing due diligence of your own.



Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 16, 2015, 08:12:33 AM
I'm not going to pretend that I read all that, I will someday,but honestly don't care enough right now. I'll get to it later when I have jack squat to do for an hour.

All that I did catch, before my brain went on strike, is "killed in a motion to dismiss".............NO ONE EVER "kills in a motion to dismiss". That's like saying you killed the other sports team in stretching and then reminding the refs that they were missing players or some technicality. Its kind of a win, but impossible to "kill" at.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 16, 2015, 08:18:06 AM
ok, fudge it, I read it.  I had already said those points on all of that really in prior posts of my own if you scroll up. OF COURSE Touro should have just been smarter on who they let in, duh. That doesn't mean Novus "won" anything, just Touro is idiot. Novus is STILL  a SCAM.

And even IF it was a victory (and its not) it would be for the lawyer. Who is NOT a Novus grad (no lawyer ANYWHERE is) and not a Prof there either (its a diploma mill-NO ONE who is a lawyer is) So at MOST its a "I hired a lawyer to dismiss a mostly frivolous lawsuit that should have never been filed against me" but then them going "THIS IS PROOF WE ARE LEGIT SCHOOL AND LAWYERS!!!!!!!!!!!" NO............no its not.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Citylaw on October 16, 2015, 09:15:36 AM
NOVUS is  what it claims to be an unaccredited law school registered in the Marshall Islands. That doesn't scream credibility and I personally would not attend NOVUS, but this lawsuit actually makes Touro look really bad. This is a law school and essentially they are claiming they could not read the fine print on Novus Law School's website. 

NOVUS is what it always has been and will be before this suit, but Touro just looks stupid for engaging it. They accepted a NOVUS grad into their law school, because their admissions committee did not read the fine print.  Mistake on Touro's part and instead of dealing with that appropriately they forced the student out of the school. The student understandably sued, because they accepted him and his application did not lie, one would assume a law school would check its fact before offering acceptance to someone and somehow Touro's lack of due diligence was the student and or Novus's fault? Touro did not do its job and instead of taking accountability went after an unaccredited law school in the Marshall Islands. To what lengths will it go to avoid saying it screwed p.

Then after that embarrassment Touro sues NOVUS the school they never contacted to verify was an actual foreign law school. Not only that Touro sued a Federal Statute in State Court that doesn't actually ask for anything, and for no apparent reason at Touro requested a class action.  That would just be a fail on a Civil Procedure Exam. Perhaps Touro should work on learning the law itself, before attacking some obscure irrelevant school in the Marshall Islands.

The simple fact is Touro didn't do its job and they are suing NOVUS a school they had no interaction with for no reason.

I guess the lesson is unaccredited schools are unaccredited schools. If the government wants to shut them down or state bars do not want to recognize the schools that is up to those entities, but NOVUS never claims to be an accredited law school. If it did that would be a problem, but it doesn't.

Touro is an ABA school, why is it lowering itself to this pointless litigation? I have no opinion whatsoever about Touro, but they did not handle this matter well.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on October 16, 2015, 01:57:08 PM
That's interesting, I'm not surprised the suit was tossed.

If Touro didn't bother to check up on NOVUS, that's a failure on their part. As long as there was no fraud or deception, I don't see where they had a leg to stand on. If anything, the dismissed NOVUS grad probably has a better case.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Citylaw on October 16, 2015, 02:52:48 PM
Yea it was a pointless lawsuit and that is just a pet peeve of mine, when everyone jumps on someone for being sued. The truth is you "can" sue anyone for anything.  It doesn't mean you are going to win or that the person sued did anything wrong, but in my quick google search of the case all these blogs jumped on NOVUS for being sued.

If your lawsuit is pointless a Motion to Dismiss (Demurrer) in California is granted.  If there is some possible issue involved you get to Summary Judgment and then  real trial.

Touro was shot down at the Motion to Dismiss stage. When that occurs a  Judge will usually write a detailed opinon, because no-discovery has been conducted,  but this case was so pointless that the Judge needed only one page to explain it.  -

To reiterate the simple facts Touro sued Novus solely under a Federal Statute 20 U.S.C. 1003.  Civ Pro 101 if you are suing under Federal Law you go to Federal Court, but they went to state court.  (Dumb move #1)

I have no idea why they needed to seek a class-action lawsuit under 20 U.S.C. 1003. It was a dispute between Touro and NOVUS and Touro wanted the State Court to call NOVUS a diploma mill. Why is a class-action necessary for that? (Dumb move #2)

The dumbest move of all is it really is unclear what Touru wanted. I love when Judge's ask that in court, what do you want?  I guess the only possible answer is that Touro wanted a New York Judge to call a Marshall Islands Law School a Diploma Mill? In summary Touro used the court system in an attempt to get a Judge to say someplace they have no jurisdiction over sucks.   The Judge understandably declined to get involved. (Dumb Move #3 by Touro) - (Smart move by Judge) 

I assume the student they dismissed crushed Touro and the lawsuit against NOVUS was some sort of desperate act for Touro to save face.

It is amazing how big a mess people make when they simply don't take accountability.

Touro made a reasonable mistake in admitting the NOVUS Grad. NOVUS seems to be a foreign law school  and I am guessing the LLM student enrolled in Touro to be able to take a bar-exam someone.

So now I will go on a short list of complete assumptions where Touro continued to go wrong, but this like any anonymous interent post could be completely wrong, and I am affirmativel saying I don't know anything about this so take with a heap not a grain of salt.

I assume when Touro found out about this they were unsure if a NOVUS grad could set for the exam. 

I assume this is where the mistake occurred instead of Touro attempting to help their student try and sit for the exam, they dismissed him or her from school.  They then went down this road of pointless litigation to attack people. These resources would have been way better spent on helping the student qualify for the exam, but instead of working with the student to get a favorable result for everyone, Touro was embarrassed and acted childlike by initiating all this litigation for no reason.

-I hope Touro learned the lesson of minding their own business. The day Touro has a 100% bar passage rates, 100% employment and is known worldwide as an amazing institution maybe it can try to police the legal profession. If Harvard wanted to do this ok, they earned it, but this is the equivalent of Jimmy Clausen suing Tim Tebow for not being a real NFL Quarterback. 

Jimmy is barely in the league and Tebow isn't even in it.  Jimmy could be cut any day and would be advised to worry about himself, not what others are doing.

Touro is a newly accredited and far from elite ABA school and it should really focus on providing a quality education for its students that are paying large sums of money to attend. Not attacking an irrelevant law school in the Marshall Islands.





Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 16, 2015, 05:29:13 PM
I'm not saying Touro didn't file a stupid suit. I'm not even saying Novus couldn't countersue over it (and maybe win) but they are a scam. They target idiots and steal from them. I don't need to fill up a whole page to say it, I think you guys are forgetting we're not getting billables for this here.  ::)

But yeah, it makes T look like idiots. But Novus bragging about it? Makes me want to kick them down a hill and then help them up, just to kick them back down it again.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Citylaw on October 16, 2015, 06:31:40 PM
Novus is what is and bragging that a Judge didnt' declare your school a diploma mill isn't exactly worth celebrating.

NOVUS shouldn't be bringing it up either. Honestly, both sides would be better served by forgetting it ever happened.

You have Touro a school at the bottom of ABA schools attacking NOVUS a school that has no relevance to them.

NOVUS is an unaccredited school in the Marshall Islands and they are going on a ad-campaign that a Judge did not declare them a "diploma mill"

It is Jerry Springer like and both of them should go sit in a corner and not embarrass themselves any further.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 17, 2015, 06:12:01 PM
Novus is what is and bragging that a Judge didnt' declare your school a diploma mill isn't exactly worth celebrating.

NOVUS shouldn't be bringing it up either. Honestly, both sides would be better served by forgetting it ever happened.

You have Touro a school at the bottom of ABA schools attacking NOVUS a school that has no relevance to them.

NOVUS is an unaccredited school in the Marshall Islands and they are going on a ad-campaign that a Judge did not declare them a "diploma mill"

It is Jerry Springer like and both of them should go sit in a corner and not embarrass themselves any further.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6e/bb/de/6ebbdea2a617aac459dc10032856eec3.jpg
 ;D
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: legalpractitioner on October 25, 2015, 09:02:07 PM
Problem here is with lazy incompetent state bar regulators who actually do have standing to go after scammers like Novus.  Likewise, you'd think the ABA might be interested.  Not a chance because there is no money in it for them.  And really except for the equally incompetent and greedy law schools who admit anyone with a "foreign law degree" and the tuition money there wouldn't be a problem.  A Novus grad shouldn't be able to fool anyone; it takes about all of five minutes on Google to figure out there are no law schools in the Marshall islands and all Marshall Islands attorneys studied at ABA law schools.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: Citylaw on October 26, 2015, 10:20:28 AM
Precisely legalpractiioner it was a bi surprising that Touro admitted they were fooled by it in their Complaint. If this were the 1960's maybe the fine print could have been an excuse, but Touro could have easily spent the five minutes to look the school up before granting admission. People make mistakes, but instead of finding a workable solution they went after NOVUS, when they should have simply tried to find a way to let the student qualify for the bar.

NOVUS is an unregulated and unlicensed school in the Marshall Islands I honestly don't know if the ABA or anyone can really go after them, unless they start claiming they are licensed etc. I think the ABA has faith that State Bars and Law Schools are capable of googling NOVUS to know what it is.
Title: Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
Post by: legalpractitioner on October 26, 2015, 08:02:52 PM
Novus is only incorporated in the RMI, 100% certainty they operate out of California.  There is also a long history here of law school scams run  by the same group:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kirk_diploma_mills