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Title: Novus University School of Law
Post by: MuscularBitch on September 20, 2006, 08:34:46 AM
Anyone out there who attends Novus University Law School? 
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: Wild Jack Maverick on November 09, 2006, 12:49:02 PM
I asked about it earlier. See post.

Otherwise, I recently received a notice through snail mail saying that if I haven't yet registered for classes at Novus, that I should do so immediately.

I put it into the same file as things such as the offer of a home equity loan, and loans up to $250 K. Just because I qualify doesn't mean that I should do it.

Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: Blessed1 on November 29, 2006, 12:15:57 PM
What's the scoop on Novus University School of Law?  Any opinions, facts, or experiences, willing to share?
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: OlderlawSTUDENT on January 10, 2007, 10:03:02 AM
I have been a student since december 2005. Recently I tried to send my assignment via e-mail and I got an e-mail response that the address is no longer valid. I have left phone messages with the answering service for a week and still no response. Has the law school closed or can somebody tell me just what is going on. The school is still taking my finance. Does any one know where the school is located? or just what is happening?

Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: james1968 on January 30, 2007, 03:24:48 PM
I have applied for Novus and just got off the phone with an advisor who aksed for my SSN and a Credit card number to start me on the the three year program, It is tempting because it is so affordable but I do not want to get into this program and be left out in the cold...Any words of wisdom on this? The advisor had a hard sell approach and said if I do not accept at this time I will have to wait for a year to apply again.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: james1968 on January 30, 2007, 03:29:33 PM
Try looking at the web catalog at www.novus.edu
Phone number is 1-800-699-4126 Advisor name is Linda Holmes
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: DO/JD on January 30, 2007, 04:58:22 PM
I have applied for Novus and just got off the phone with an advisor who aksed for my SSN and a Credit card number to start me on the the three year program, It is tempting because it is so affordable but I do not want to get into this program and be left out in the cold...Any words of wisdom on this? The advisor had a hard sell approach and said if I do not accept at this time I will have to wait for a year to apply again.


Hi James

Although I am, generally, an advocate of LD education law schools, Novus is not one I would recommend. If you read the fine print, you will see that all they do is help you set up a curriculum with an attorney for in-office law study not for distance education. The other thing they claim to help you with is with obtaining legal books - I have no idea about the veracity of this claim.

They telling you that if you do not give them your SSN and credit card number now that you will have to wait a year sounds like pressure selling to me. If I was you, I would opt for one of the distance legal education schools that are registered with the California Bar. Novus is not registered with the California bar, or any bar for that matter. Hope that helps!

DO/JD
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: james1968 on January 31, 2007, 06:50:50 AM
Thank you for the update on Novus, I did some investigating and pulled the BB on them and found no complaints or actions against the school in the past ten years it has been in operation which means nothing but perhaps they may be working within the scope of the law. I just would like to speak with or hear from someone who actually gradutated from this program and see what the real deal is. I am 39 and have few options for Law school and given the fact that I have a very busy hectic schedule I do not have the 3-5 hours a day that Concord requires not to mention the money to pay 8-10K  year for this...
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: DO/JD on January 31, 2007, 12:50:24 PM
Thank you for the update on Novus, I did some investigating and pulled the BB on them and found no complaints or actions against the school in the past ten years it has been in operation which means nothing but perhaps they may be working within the scope of the law. I just would like to speak with or hear from someone who actually gradutated from this program and see what the real deal is. I am 39 and have few options for Law school and given the fact that I have a very busy hectic schedule I do not have the 3-5 hours a day that Concord requires not to mention the money to pay 8-10K  year for this...


I reread my reply and I noticed I failed to indicate that not only doesn't Novus "teach" you anything, they do not find the attorney's/judges for you to learn with the "in-office" method. You are basically paying for (nothing) "some guidance" - read the fine print. Best wishes!
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: james1968 on January 31, 2007, 03:44:55 PM
If this is the case then this is perhaps why they have not called me back or sent me any additional information. I am worried this may be a scam school that is taking money from people and notdoing anything to assist them.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: Ismael on April 25, 2007, 02:57:35 PM
I noticed one of the messages asked about where Novus was located.  According to the info. I read, Novus is not a physical campus.  This school is completely on the web.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: NovusCommunityServices on June 17, 2007, 11:37:51 PM
I have been a student since december 2005. Recently I tried to send my assignment via e-mail and I got an e-mail response that the address is no longer valid. I have left phone messages with the answering service for a week and still no response. Has the law school closed or can somebody tell me just what is going on. The school is still taking my finance. Does any one know where the school is located? or just what is happening?

WHAT WAS HAPPENING ??????
I am a Community Service Director with Novus Law School and we did change our email from novusu.org to nulaw.org ,in December 2006 -Feb.2007  The main reason we made the change was SPAM ,we  were receiving 500 -1000 per day and we put in a new system .The student here was as were all students notified fro 90 days about the change . As with any change there were problems .This student only filed this post ONE TIME Jan.10 2007 and has been contacted and is currently on leave of absence because of job requirements . NO SCHOOL IS PROBLEM FREE ,but as Novus Law School we try to make it so. Scott Andrews Novus Law School  
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: NovusCommunityServices on June 17, 2007, 11:54:29 PM
I have applied for Novus and just got off the phone with an advisor who aksed for my SSN and a Credit card number to start me on the the three year program, It is tempting because it is so affordable but I do not want to get into this program and be left out in the cold...Any words of wisdom on this? The advisor had a hard sell approach and said if I do not accept at this time I will have to wait for a year to apply again.


Hi James

Although I am, generally, an advocate of LD education law schools, Novus is not one I would recommend. If you read the fine print, you will see that all they do is help you set up a curriculum with an attorney for in-office law study not for distance education. The other thing they claim to help you with is with obtaining legal books - I have no idea about the veracity of this claim.

They telling you that if you do not give them your SSN and credit card number now that you will have to wait a year sounds like pressure selling to me. If I was you, I would opt for one of the distance legal education schools that are registered with the California Bar. Novus is not registered with the California bar, or any bar for that matter. Hope that helps!


NOVUS LAW SCHOOL (our side)

Most  law school are REQUIRED TO REQUEST SS NUMBERS and most  Law school Online require a SS number for an application Novus Law School does NOT charge an application fee of 50.00 or 75.00 or 100.00 as do other schools and we only require the SS # when a appicant registers,NOT BEFORE, we give every applicant a FREE APPLICATION ,every year ,and we also conduct a personal interview and NOVUS LAW SCHOOL provides direct links to the US DEPT of Education and the American Bar Association ,so that prospective student may verify every statement made in the Novus Catalog .

 It is correct that we do not provide supervising attorneys ,however we provide FREE TEXTS and curriculum for supervising attorney and an exam base and we assit student in locating attorneys and we certify then as paralegals .

We in fact do everthing possible to make study work for the BAR STUDENT and at a small fraction of the cost of resident law study and CA Correspondence Schools,which we also provide student with link to and to the CA Committee of Bar Examiners with all bar and baby bar results.

Scott Andrews
Community Services
Novus Law School

visit Novus Law School ONLINE  www.novus.edu

DO/JD
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: NovusCommunityServices on June 18, 2007, 12:19:56 AM
I asked about it earlier. See post.

Otherwise, I recently received a notice through snail mail saying that if I haven't yet registered for classes at Novus, that I should do so immediately.

I put it into the same file as things such as the offer of a home equity loan, and loans up to $250 K. Just because I qualify doesn't mean that I should do it.


This Person LAST PUBLISHED November 09, 2006, 04:49:01 PM ACCORDING TO POST RECORDS and Novus Law School does not send out snail mail and NEVER HAS ,so maybe we were confused with another school .

Scott Andrews
Novus Law School


Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: NovusCommunityServices on June 18, 2007, 12:22:02 AM
Anyone out there who attends Novus University Law School? 

This Person post once time only.

Scott Andrews
Novus Law School
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: NovusCommunityServices on June 18, 2007, 12:27:45 AM
What's the scoop on Novus University School of Law?  Any opinions, facts, or experiences, willing to share?

This Person post one time only ,if you want the scoop on Novus Law School go to www.novus.edu  and then independently through the US Department of Education and ABA verify all information that concerns you , Novus is an alternatative law program and may not meet your requirements ,but we try to provide you with links to the best sources. 

Scott Andrews
Novus  Law School
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: galex on June 18, 2007, 04:56:55 AM
Anyone out there who attends Novus University Law School? 

This Person post once time only.

Scott Andrews
Novus Law School

Actually, they posted twice. 

If you're trying to defend the reputation of your school, why wouldn't you try a bit harder with your grammar, etc.?  You're just making the school look worse.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: NovusComServices on June 18, 2007, 02:42:25 PM
Anyone out there who attends Novus University Law School? 

This Person post once time only.

Scott Andrews
Novus Law School

Actually, they posted twice. 

If you're trying to defend the reputation of your school, why wouldn't you try a bit harder with your grammar, etc.?  You're just making the school look worse.

I am not trying to defend Novus Law School, as it needs no defending. What I am trying to do is get prospective applicants to review all the information from Novus Law School at www.Novus.edu and to do there due diligence and check the ABA site, read the sixty page bar admission guide published by the ABA, in conjunction, with National Conference of Bar examiners. I agree with you that grammar is important. However, what is more is substance and the history of Novus Law School in the last ten years for students considering law school to consider all of there options. I don't mean to offend you or any individual that is reviewing material here. But the purpose of my postings is not to improve the image of the law school but to get applicants to do through research not only on Novus but of all there options as a Novus Law School graduate.

You can review the sixty page ABA report here:
http://www.ncbex.org/comprehensive-guide-to-bar-admissions/

Scott Andrews
Community Services
Novus Law School
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: DO/JD on June 18, 2007, 03:56:44 PM
Scott

You say Novus is international, how does a student from say the state of Florida, go about being able to become member of the bar of any state [U.S.] by being a student at Novus? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: NovusComServices on June 18, 2007, 05:52:52 PM
Scott

You say Novus is international, how does a student from say the state of Florida, go about being able to become member of the bar of any state [U.S.] by being a student at Novus? Thanks in advance.


PLEASE ALSO REVIEW ABA REPORT & FLORDIA BAR SITE

In request to your question concerning admissions to the Florida State Bar, under section 4-13.4 Alternative Method of Education Qualification, the board may require that the applicant was engaged in the practice of law for at least ten years in the District of Columbia, in other states of the United Sates of America or in federal courts of the United states or it's territories, possessions, or protectorates, and was in good standing at the bar of the jurisdictions at which the applicant practiced.

Other options in Florida maybe in house counsel, chapter 17 authorizes attorneys licensed to practice in other jurisdictions other than Florida to undertake certain activities while exclusively employed by a business organization without the requirement of taking the bar examination.

 Further, specialized federal courts such the United States Tax court and US patent courts permit admission by national exam and the sixty page ABA guide lists most options for non-ABA graduates.

Novus Law School is an alternative law school offering online programs to qualified adults and all bar options are spelled out in the online catalog.

Novus Law School has graduates from Florida who work in numerous fields and professions including: tax, corporate counsel, legal medical, arbitration, and mediation.
A legal education can be a credential for many career options.

Please review these sites:

www.novus.edu
http://www.ncbex.org/comprehensive-guide-to-bar-admissions/


Scott Andrews
Community Services
Novus Law School
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: DO/JD on June 18, 2007, 06:10:00 PM
Hi Scott, thanks for your last reply

I will try to make my question more clear.

If a student lives in Florida and wishes to practice Immigration law, that is be able to represent clients before USCIS without direct supervision of a licensed attorney, and do this by studying in Novus law school, it seems like, for all practical purposes, would not to be possible.

The Novus' program which will permit someone to practice immigration law [as defined above] would be the "apprentice" program which would require that the student studies under the supervision of a licensed attorney in one of the seven states* that allow it. As you may see, for someone who resides in a state distant from the seven states* , this requirement for bar admission would be practically impossible. Please advise and thanks in advance.

DO/JD
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: NovusComServices on June 18, 2007, 07:06:20 PM
Immigration and naturalization are now under Homeland Security to represent a client before immigration courts you must either be an attorney or a certain non-profit agencies can represent individuals. You can review these requirements by going to website published by Immigration and Naturalization.


Please review this information from the Immigration and Naturalization website.

Attorneys

Attorneys must be a member in good standing of the “bar” of a U.S. State (or U.S. possession, territory, Commonwealth, or the District of Columbia) and not be under any court order restricting their practice of law. Attorneys will check the first block on Form G-28 and must provide information regarding their admission to practice. The best way to protect yourself is to ask to see the current attorney licensing document for the attorney, make a note of the admission number if any, and to contact the State bar admission authorities to verify the information. A lawfully admitted attorney should honor your request for this information, as State Bar practice rules require disclosure of this information to clients. You may also access this information through the National Organization of Bar Counsel (NOBC) website. See the Ethics link, then click on Bar Associations and Disciplinary Authorities.
Accredited Representatives

Accredited representatives must work for a Recognized Organization in order to be eligible to represent you before USCIS and file a Form G-28. They may be authorized to practice before the Immigration Courts, the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) and/or USCIS. The best way to protect yourself is to ask to see a copy of the BIA decision granting official recognition to the Accredited Representative and Recognized Organization. Recognized organizations may only charge nominal fees, if any, for providing services in immigration matters. An accredited representative of a recognized organization should honor your request. You may also check the Recognition Accreditation Roster maintained by the Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR.)

While other individuals (notary publics and immigration consultants) may assist you by filling in the blanks on pre-printed USCIS forms with information provided by you, these individuals may NOT represent you before USCIS. In addition, notary publics and immigration consultants may only charge nominal fees as regulated by state law. Individuals helping you in this way are required by law to disclose to USCIS their assistance by completing the section at the bottom of a petition or application concerning the “Preparer” of the form.

Scott Andrews
Community Services
Novus Law School
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: DO/JD on June 18, 2007, 07:47:23 PM
Hi

That is precisely what I communicated before. You must be a member of a "bar" in order to practice this type of law without the direct supervision of a licensed attorney or under the umbrella of an accredited representative/organization. However, to do this with Novus law school, a student would need to pursue Novus' "apprentice" program. This program, only allows you to be bar eligible in seven states. Furthermore, all these states require that this "apprentice" program be completed in person at the lawyers/judge's office. This, therefore, would mean that for someone not located in these seven states, Novus' "apprentice" program would be of no benefit if their ultimate goal is to practice a type of law that reguires "bar" membership such as immigration law. I hope that is more clear.




Immigration and naturalization are now under Homeland Security to represent a client before immigration courts you must either be an attorney or a certain non-profit agencies can represent individuals. You can review these requirements by going to website published by Immigration and Naturalization.


Please review this information from the Immigration and Naturalization website.

Attorneys

Attorneys must be a member in good standing of the “bar” of a U.S. State (or U.S. possession, territory, Commonwealth, or the District of Columbia) and not be under any court order restricting their practice of law. Attorneys will check the first block on Form G-28 and must provide information regarding their admission to practice. The best way to protect yourself is to ask to see the current attorney licensing document for the attorney, make a note of the admission number if any, and to contact the State bar admission authorities to verify the information. A lawfully admitted attorney should honor your request for this information, as State Bar practice rules require disclosure of this information to clients. You may also access this information through the National Organization of Bar Counsel (NOBC) website. See the Ethics link, then click on Bar Associations and Disciplinary Authorities.
Accredited Representatives

Accredited representatives must work for a Recognized Organization in order to be eligible to represent you before USCIS and file a Form G-28. They may be authorized to practice before the Immigration Courts, the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) and/or USCIS. The best way to protect yourself is to ask to see a copy of the BIA decision granting official recognition to the Accredited Representative and Recognized Organization. Recognized organizations may only charge nominal fees, if any, for providing services in immigration matters. An accredited representative of a recognized organization should honor your request. You may also check the Recognition Accreditation Roster maintained by the Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR.)

While other individuals (notary publics and immigration consultants) may assist you by filling in the blanks on pre-printed USCIS forms with information provided by you, these individuals may NOT represent you before USCIS. In addition, notary publics and immigration consultants may only charge nominal fees as regulated by state law. Individuals helping you in this way are required by law to disclose to USCIS their assistance by completing the section at the bottom of a petition or application concerning the “Preparer” of the form.

Scott Andrews
Community Services
Novus Law School
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: NovusComServices on June 18, 2007, 08:15:08 PM
In addition to the seven states the District of Columbia could be considered because they require Non-ABA JD graduates to complete 26 units at an ABA school to qualify to take the DC bar. Further, a number of states including Iowa, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Missouri, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, and Pennsylvania. Allow graduates of Non-ABA schools who have passed the bar in another state to take the bar exam without additional legal education. Like Florida these states have time practices requirements from anywhere from two to seven years. In conclusion, you were correct that a person must be a member of a bar or an accredited representative in order to practice immigration law. However, again many individual practices online from particular states and a number of individuals function as immigration consultants or specialists. So the primary options would still be to practice in one of the seven states or DC or work for an accredited organization or establish an accredited organization or to become eligible in other states by virtue of practice. Again, Novus Law School is an alternative law school and individuals must determine if they want to practice law to meet the requirements and practice within that jurisdiction with eligibility coming with additional practice. I hope this answers your question and I do agree with you in part. However, the opportunity to practice in a specialized field like any career opportunity may require relocation and if an individual desires this opportunity then are objective is to provide them with information directly from the sources of there options. This information is taken from:

http://www.ncbex.org/comprehensive-guide-to-bar-admissions/


Scott Andrews
Community Services
Novus Law School
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: DO/JD on June 18, 2007, 09:40:22 PM
Slightly an aside,

do you know of any feasible way a student could complete Novus' apprenticeship program without residing in one of the seven states? Thanks.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: NovusComServices on June 19, 2007, 03:04:11 PM
Slightly an aside,

do you know of any feasible way a student could complete Novus' apprenticeship program without residing in one of the seven states? Thanks.

We have researched this and we know of no way that an individual can complete without residing in the state and working with an attorney or judge licensed in that state.

Scott Andrews
Community Services
Novus Law School
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: esquiremd900 on June 26, 2007, 12:04:28 PM
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Dear Law Discussion Poster:

This letter is in regards to defamation's concerning Novus Law School. Due to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act which provides that "[no] provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider," and that "[n]o cause of action may be brought and no liability may be imposed under any State or local law that is inconsistent with this section." This means that  Novus Law School can not sue  Law School Discussion ,however we can sue you.

Your posting states, esquiremd900

“It was my understanding that it was a sham law school. That thier degree does not allow you to sit for any bars and that the two owners live in Europe. I would not suggest it. Google them online.... and you will be able to locate the suits that were filed for the fraud.”

You can Google and there are no such lawsuits or frauds, however many people have called us asking about this statement. Novus Law School may have in fact suffered losses both economic and to its reputation as a result of this posting.

It does not take an in-depth investigation to determine these are outright lies ,even the most elementary investigation will show that.We see how you have tried to through clever use of words diminish your libel,however we believe that we can prove libel in a court of law and once a suit is filed we will seek your true identity from Yahoo.

In the entire 10 years that Novus Law School has been in existence, not a single lawsuit or charge has been brought against the school for anything and no charges or lawsuits have been filed against Novus Law School for anything on a state or federal level and Novus Law School has No unresolved consumer complaints, with the BBB or consumer affairs of any state or country.

I can be contacted by phone at 661-674-6571 or by email at GeneralCounsel@nulaw.org I am General in-house counsel for Novus Law School


Respectfully,

Jay Thomas
General Counsel
Novus Law School

Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: allthngsntrl on June 30, 2007, 02:01:26 PM
I have a question. I live in Virginia. How would this program help me in taking the bar. I spoke with another law school Dean who advised that he is familiar with a student who completed this program, attended an ABA approved law school taking 25 hours and then took the DC bar and passed. I am not sure if I am reading the criteria correctly for VA but it seems that on the Bar website you can work under the supervision on an attorney in VA and then be bar eligible without any classes. I would like a program that I could complete through either distance learning and or correspondence as I work under andattorney. Does anyone have any suggestions or help with this. I do not have time to go to traditional law school and am not sure I could pass the LSAT. I am exploring two career options this and nursing. What a radical difference. I am not looking for an easy way out or anything like that I am willing to study but also can not afford to go to CA to take the baby bar nor the bar at the end of a CA program. Thanks for your help. I like their program it is very detailed but do not want to spend the money if I cant do anything with it.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: galex on July 01, 2007, 12:36:17 PM
Virginia is one of those states where you can "read" for the law, but my understanding is its *extremely* rare for someone to actually do this successfully.(BTW--have you asked your attorney if he/she'd be willing to make that kind of committment to you?)  Try contacting the Virginia Board of Bar Examiners http://www.vbbe.state.va.us/ before going any farther along this route as they may have additional qualifying information.

I would definitely advise you to go ahead and at least take a timed practice LSAT before dismissing this route entirely--and rumor has it that it's one of those tests where people can dramatically improve their score if they work at it.

If you do pretty well with the LSAT, there is at least one school in Virginia that offers a part-time option with some classes held at night (Richmond.)  You might want to check if George Mason offers this option as well if you're in NOVA. UVa doesn't, and I don't think W&M does either. 
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: dolcerenee on August 15, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
I am a bit confused about the Novus Program. I reside in Florida and am wondering what is the structure of the program? Would I have to have a supervising attorney to complete my studies or are all studies completed online?
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: Jeannie0012 on August 27, 2007, 08:59:21 PM
What's the scoop on Novus University School of Law?  Any opinions, facts, or experiences, willing to share?
Dear Discussion Members:

Novus isn't a "sham" school. Many DL (distance learning) schools do not have a campus - University of Phoenix for example (until recently) the Open and Distance Learning University in the UK and so on. Here's the thing...distance education has notoriously been considered sub-standard - yes and no. Having taken many, many course online, I can tell you all that the level of interaction, course development and delivery methods should be a primarly consideration for those of you who have never taken a distance course.

Of paramount importance when chosing any institution - traditional or DL - is that you must make sure that it is accredited. There are two types of accreditation, Regional and National. Accreditation allows you to take the credits you earn at one instituion and transfer them to another. For example, if you recieve a lesser degree from a non-accredited institution, then attempt to use that degree to obtain a higher degree (sometimes a necessary requirement) your credits will not be acknowledged. The U.S. Board of Higher Education can help you find and/or confirm whoch schools have accreditation. Generally, Regional accreditation is the one most accepted. Although Novus' information states that having accreditation does not necessarily guarantee transfer of credits - NOT having accreditation most assuredly guarantees a 99% chance another school will not allow the transfer.

Faculty interaction, student support services (including online tutoring) and accessible course design are worth their weight in gold - trust me on this. I recently graduated from the Masters in Distance Education program at University of Maryland University College. I have also been a distance education program coordinator and advisor for a Criminal Justice and Criminology program..and, as I stated, a long time distance learner. I know the difference between a well designed program and one that is not.

Although Novus is a wonderful financial "deal", you must research their qualifications, take into account what you might need in the future ("I want to teach when I grow up"), how it is you learn, time considerations and committments. Novus is, essentially, a map to help you get where you want to go - a law degree - sort of like a blue print. If you aren't an architect you may find yourself having a heck of a time building that house. Of course, this doesn't mean that you cannot get what you want from Novus, it means that you must chose what is right for you. This is what will guarantee your success.

If you have questions about a program, please feel free to contact me or view my website: www.oncoursedistanceeducation.com (http://www.oncoursedistanceeducation.com)...I'm always happy to help. We're in the same boat!

Jeannie
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: depositlaw on November 07, 2007, 09:13:36 PM
I have been a student since december 2005. Recently I tried to send my assignment via e-mail and I got an e-mail response that the address is no longer valid. I have left phone messages with the answering service for a week and still no response. Has the law school closed or can somebody tell me just what is going on. The school is still taking my finance. Does any one know where the school is located? or just what is happening?


???

This is serious.  Someone is going to law school on the internet, and now the law school's internet address is down, and the student doesn't know where the law school physically is.

I hope they haven't charged anyone tuition.

Please, for the love of Freedom, stop going to law school on the internet.

And if you've had Chicago or Illinois landlord problems, visit http://www.depositlaw.com (http://www.depositlaw.com)
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 07, 2007, 09:57:43 PM
I feel like I've stepped into the Twilight Zone.  Are these people frikkin' kidding?  Holy crap!
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: domyumbri on December 15, 2007, 12:25:50 PM
You can obtain the JD Degree From Novus, and get 26 ABA Credits and sit for the DC bar.  NOW, they do have online ABA programs I read in an online law schools book, so, you can sit for a bar w/o going the CAlifornia baby bar route and have more options. Obviously you can get the ABA credits in person DC Bar admissions says they accept novus with the ABA so they are legit. I am starting with them soon and get my 26 credits and am not taking the baby bar and 4 year study plus the 26 credits,  Novus can be done in less than 3 years
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: jacy85 on December 15, 2007, 12:50:51 PM
So are you California and trying to avoid the baby bar?  If so, I hope you're aware that California doesn't have reciprocity with any other state; in order to practice there, you still have to take the CA bar, but first you have to pass the bar in another state AND practice in that state for 4 years in order to qualify for the attorney's exam.

Also...from what I hear, Novus isn't exactly cheap, and 26 credits at an ABA approved school is about 1 year of courses.  Why not just do all 3 years at an approved school?  Also, what if you can't find an ABA approved school that will let you take 26 credits worth of classes??
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: desertstudios on September 13, 2011, 10:34:17 AM
Novus University School of Law is nothing but a diploma mill run by the well known Natalie (Handy) Klucz.  This is her in the video.

http://www.novus.edu/index.html

Here is a website listing some of her past dishonest activities.  She has quite a past of deception.

http://www.chugachconsumers.org/lib/LaSalleChronology.htm

This paragraph from the General Info section of her website (http://www.novusucatalog.com/generalinfo/terms_printer.htm) states:

DEGREE GRANTING EDUCATION CORPORATION
NOVUS UNIVERSITY IS INCORPORATED UNDER THE LAWS OF THE MARSHALL ISLANDS. NOVUS UNIVERSITY IS A PRIVATE POSTSECONDARY DEGREE GRANTING EDUCATIONAL CORPORATION AND ALL DEGREES ARE GRANTED BY NOVUS UNIVERSITY OF THE MARSHALL ISLANDS ,UNDER ITS  CORPORATE CHARTER AND THE AUTHORITY OF ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS. NOVUS UNIVERSITY/NOVUS LAW SCHOOL OFFERS INSTRUCTION ONLINE ONLY AND WEB-BASED AND NOT IN ANY COUNTRY, STATE OR POLITICAL ENTITY. NOVUS UNIVERSITY/NOVUS LAW SCHOOL IS NOT ACCREDITED BY THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION.

If the school was legitimate,  why the need to operate from the Marshall Islands?

She currently runs the "university" from a Mail & More in Palmdale, CA.

The address of the “campus” is listed in the Notices section of her website states:

NOTICES
Except as noted should be given to General Counsel, NOVUS UNIVERSITY/NOVUS LAW SCHOOL: 3053 Rancho Vista Blvd. Suite H #187 Palmdale CA 93551

Do a Yahoo search of Mail & More locations in Palmdale, CA..  Notice the same address of 3053 Rancho Vista Blvd. Suite H.

So her university “campus” is box #187.

Don't waste your money on this scam as it only goes to her red Mercedes and fancy vacations.  Use your money towards a legitimate Law School, not a useless piece of paper.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: justanothersucker on September 13, 2011, 03:26:20 PM
Yes, but those OTHER online schools are bar approved and their grads can get a LICENSE to practice law.
All Novus can do is give something to put on a resume in hopes of latter finding a lawyer nice enough to let you intern under them (a program that could be done regardless of Novus and of which Novus takes no step in assisting in the lawyer placement process)

That plus at least other non-jd degrees are accredited by accrediting agencies reconised by the US dept of ed or at least state ed depts.
Without that you can't even legally claim to be  legit "executive JD" program.

Stop spreading lies and sell drugs like most criminals. At least then you'd be honest enough for me to respect what you say.  :-X

What's the scoop on Novus University School of Law?  Any opinions, facts, or experiences, willing to share?
Dear Discussion Members:

Novus isn't a "sham" school. Many DL (distance learning) schools do not have a campus - University of Phoenix for example (until recently) the Open and Distance Learning University in the UK and so on. Here's the thing...distance education has notoriously been considered sub-standard - yes and no. Having taken many, many course online, I can tell you all that the level of interaction, course development and delivery methods should be a primarly consideration for those of you who have never taken a distance course.

Of paramount importance when chosing any institution - traditional or DL - is that you must make sure that it is accredited. There are two types of accreditation, Regional and National. Accreditation allows you to take the credits you earn at one instituion and transfer them to another. For example, if you recieve a lesser degree from a non-accredited institution, then attempt to use that degree to obtain a higher degree (sometimes a necessary requirement) your credits will not be acknowledged. The U.S. Board of Higher Education can help you find and/or confirm whoch schools have accreditation. Generally, Regional accreditation is the one most accepted. Although Novus' information states that having accreditation does not necessarily guarantee transfer of credits - NOT having accreditation most assuredly guarantees a 99% chance another school will not allow the transfer.

Faculty interaction, student support services (including online tutoring) and accessible course design are worth their weight in gold - trust me on this. I recently graduated from the Masters in Distance Education program at University of Maryland University College. I have also been a distance education program coordinator and advisor for a Criminal Justice and Criminology program..and, as I stated, a long time distance learner. I know the difference between a well designed program and one that is not.

Although Novus is a wonderful financial "deal", you must research their qualifications, take into account what you might need in the future ("I want to teach when I grow up"), how it is you learn, time considerations and committments. Novus is, essentially, a map to help you get where you want to go - a law degree - sort of like a blue print. If you aren't an architect you may find yourself having a heck of a time building that house. Of course, this doesn't mean that you cannot get what you want from Novus, it means that you must chose what is right for you. This is what will guarantee your success.

If you have questions about a program, please feel free to contact me or view my website: www.oncoursedistanceeducation.com (http://www.oncoursedistanceeducation.com)...I'm always happy to help. We're in the same boat!

Jeannie
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: justanothersucker on September 13, 2011, 03:29:35 PM
those who "intern" under lawyers for 4 years STILL have to take the minibar. Most just aren't smart enough to look into it first.
Thus the reason they don't even have the AA degree and 120 lsat required to go to the unaccredited bar approved self paced self proctored through the mail schools that at least actually do get you licensed in the end after sitting the bar.(in theory even though some have attrition rates near 100% and first time bar pass rate below 10%)

So are you California and trying to avoid the baby bar?  If so, I hope you're aware that California doesn't have reciprocity with any other state; in order to practice there, you still have to take the CA bar, but first you have to pass the bar in another state AND practice in that state for 4 years in order to qualify for the attorney's exam.

Also...from what I hear, Novus isn't exactly cheap, and 26 credits at an ABA approved school is about 1 year of courses.  Why not just do all 3 years at an approved school?  Also, what if you can't find an ABA approved school that will let you take 26 credits worth of classes??
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: justanothersucker on September 13, 2011, 03:32:45 PM
yeah but why in creation would someone go to Novus and then go to a year of ABA school?
Better yet, the 26credits applies WITHOUT Novus too.
You'd be better just getting the credits, doing the extenship and taking a barbri bar prep course.
Then again at 26 credits you might as well go the rest of the way, and if you can't(probably due to GPA) then you won't pass the bar anyways and good luck finding a lawyer desperate enough to take you in the county sized area of DC. (or anywhere)

You can obtain the JD Degree From Novus, and get 26 ABA Credits and sit for the DC bar.  NOW, they do have online ABA programs I read in an online law schools book, so, you can sit for a bar w/o going the CAlifornia baby bar route and have more options. Obviously you can get the ABA credits in person DC Bar admissions says they accept novus with the ABA so they are legit. I am starting with them soon and get my 26 credits and am not taking the baby bar and 4 year study plus the 26 credits,  Novus can be done in less than 3 years
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: desertstudios on September 20, 2011, 09:40:24 AM
It kinda amazes me that intelligent individuals planning on studying law would try to defend a sham like Novus.  A little research on the Internet shows that Natalie Handy, the purveyor of Novus University has a very questionable past.

Here is the Wiki link to her ex-husband, James Kirk of LaSalle Diploma mill fame.  Natalie is listed in the History section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kirk_diploma_mills

Natalie married James Kirk while he was in Federal Prison serving time for running a diploma mill.  Other articles on the Internet accuse her of running off with some of the money. Wiki describes some of her additional actions below:

“After he went to prison his wife, Natalie Handy, opened Edison University, an unaccredited distance education institution operated from a rented mail box at a Mail Boxes Etc. in Honolulu.  Edison later used the name Acton University.”

For those who may not know, Acton is a small town just south of Palmdale, CA. where Novus is currently “located” at the Mail & More mailbox.  Edison is the electric company in Southern California.

Individuals who try to defend Novus as a legitimate use of your money would have you believe that in spite of all the articles about her repeated deceptive and dishonest actions in the past, Natalie has somehow has had an awakening is as now capable of providing a legitimate educational service.  Remember that the predictor of future behavior is past behavior.  Natalie’s past behavior appears very dishonest and is well documented all over the Internet.

Before spending a single cent on this Novus diploma mill, ask yourself the following questions:

•   Can Novus produce an Organizational Chart of individuals involved with the running of the “University”, each having a separate office phone number and individual email address such as what you see with accredited universities?
   
•   When you read names on responses from Novus such as:

Scott Andrews
Community Services
Novus Law School

Jay Thomas
General Counsel
Novus Law School

Do they have an individual contact email or phone number under their names like a legitimate school?  Why not?  Could this just be Natalie sitting at her computer making up names to respond with?

•   Is there a single website ANYWHERE on the Internet that lists Novus as having any form of legitimate accreditation from a respected accrediting agency?  No!

•   Are there numerous legitimate websites that list Novus as a Diploma Mill?  Yes!

Novus was actually being operated out of Mississippi until that state passed a law that you had to provide proof of legitimate accreditation to operate in the state, or something like that.  I believe that was around 2006.  It appears Novus relocated to California at that time.  Imagine that!

I have personally never met Natalie and don’t have a desire to meet any individual with her documented history of dishonesty and deception.  Do a little research and you will find that her past history points to her being a person that really likes to run diploma mills, from her involvement with James Kirk and LaSalle to Edison, to Acton, and now Novus “Universities” that were and are ALL diploma mills.

If you plan to be a lawyer, and still think Novus is a good place for your money, may I recommend choosing a different career path?

If you still choose to give Natalie your money for a worthless piece of paper, buyer beware.


Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: justanothersucker on September 21, 2011, 05:19:29 PM
Novus sends its recruiters here. That is who they are. That is why they have so few posts.

To try to look "real" they post a few other posts but it's basicly the same idea as a "spambot" but with a lawyer behind the screen(or someone paid by a lawyer) to do it.

Somone needs to sue them and get them shut down, if not in prison.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: truthseeker on September 26, 2011, 09:34:05 AM
IF Novus is incoporated in The Marshall Islands as it states on the website and not in the U.S., then they must have dishonest intentions.  And running a "University" without any legitimate accedidation and out af a Mail & More mailbox??  What a joke!  My question is where are the Feds?  Why aren't the Fed's investigating Novus for overseas tax fraud or something?  I'll bet a close review of the "University" paperwork and legal documents would find fraudelent names were used.  There is just no way an individual like Natalie Handy with her long history of dishonesty isn't trying to get away with something.  People like her that get away with things over and over start feeling they are above the law and then they get careless.  The Fed's just need to go find it.  And I agree that Federal Prison, like that of her ex husband James Kirk, would be an appopriate place for her and anyone else involved.  The Fed's just need to stepup and start doing their job.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: justanothersucker on September 26, 2011, 09:49:40 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/3-calif-moms-accused-using-pta-ponzi-scheme-202745915.html?ugccmtnav=v1%2Fcomments%2Fcontext%2Ff93e1033-6e27-3aa4-8957-642a960b7260%2Fcomments%3Fcount%3D20%26sortBy%3Doldest

looks like she's going to prison soon anyways.

That being said, I'm sure the night janitor will "keep the lights on" for the checks to keep coming in.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: truthseeker on September 28, 2011, 02:13:58 PM
Here is an article I found about a court case where Natalie Handy refused to respect a courts decision regarding a students bankrupcy or issue the useless piece of paper, oops, I mean "degree".  Natalie Handy was running Novus at that time and still operates it today.

http://stjohns.abiworld.org/node/91
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on September 28, 2011, 04:03:57 PM
Wonderful information.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: justanothersucker on September 28, 2011, 06:00:18 PM
It's not uncommon for a school to hold transcipts while debt in owed to it(outside fed loans of course)

I remember a guy not being able to get transcripts to transfer at a regular college when  he owed a library fee 0f $5 to the school. Yep, $5!

That being said, Novus still sucks.
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: truthseeker on September 29, 2011, 01:44:56 PM
Looks like when Natalie was moving out to California from Mississippi in 2005-2006 time frame, she tried to start "Los Angeles University".

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Lancaster/los-angeles-university/44456351.aspx

Click on the Articles Of Incorporation tab. 

File Date:  Thursday, September 29, 2005
Resigned On 03 06 2006 

Looks like she let it go after about 6 months.  California may have pressured her for some credible documentation that she could not produce.

Edison, Acton, LaSalle, Los Angeles, and Novus "Universities".  All Natalie Handy.  All Diploma mills.

Well, she may not be very honest but the lady is persistent.


Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 19, 2017, 06:53:36 PM
How does Novus have an edu website?
Does the govt not screen this stuff at all?
If I go to godaddy.com can I get one for $10 in as many minutes or less?
Title: Re: Novus University School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 27, 2017, 08:45:33 PM
How does Novus have an edu website?
Does the govt not screen this stuff at all?
If I go to godaddy.com can I get one for $10 in as many minutes or less?

Since they are not an accredited post secondary school, I suspect they got the edu domain years ago before anyone really checked anything.

https://net.educause.edu/edudomain/show_faq.asp?code=EDUPOLICY

You can email educause who administers the domain and ask why an unaccredited school has a edu domain but since their website looks circa 1999, I suspect the outfit is run by slackers who won't bother to reply.