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Title: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: 1HellChicago on January 04, 2006, 07:30:34 PM
I cannot believe that I got a C in the class I enjoyed the most and for which I studied the most. I feel like my future career is ruined now. Any way to recover? Ever? Or will this haunt me for life?

What is a "good" 1L GPA, anyway? is 3.0 - give or take a little - considered at least acceptable?

 :'(
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: antwan on January 04, 2006, 08:52:17 PM
take it easy. a C is not a bad grade in law school and im assuming this was your first semester. all you need is a A to average that C into a B, and you still have next semester to improve before any law review or scholorship decisions are made. Plus the whole grade thing is way overhyped. Every lawyer ive ever spoken to about it all says the same thing: 5 years after law school, if you work hard you can get any job you want, youll only be as good as your last case. Grades are only important if you want to go into biglaw and be miserable the rest of your life. A 2.7 at my school can put you into to the top 1/3 of the class (we have a strict C curve) and one C is so inignificant that you should stop worrying right now. even if you got straight C's through all of law school your career wouldnt be "ruined"
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: J D on January 04, 2006, 10:26:46 PM
I would also add that there are many, many skills which are invaluable to a successful lawyer that are not (and probably cannot be) tested in law school exams.  These include things like good judgment (how much is this case worth?  how much will I probably need to spend to bring it and see it through?), negotiation skills, the ability to handle and earn the trust of your clients, etc.  Also remember that law school exam grades, because of the forced curve and other quirks, are notoriously whimsical and arbitrary: the difference between one person's grade and another person's grade is often based on seemingly insignificant differences in the students' responses.

In short, relax.  Your exam grades are not destiny, and in many cases they have proved to be a very poor indicator of one's potential or aptitude for being a lawyer.  This one C grade will not prevent you from achieving success (also remember that there is more than one definition of a "successful" lawyer or legal career).
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: starter on January 04, 2006, 11:31:30 PM
My first grade was a B-, on a B curve.  My GPA sits at 2.7, median is at 3.0.  I thought I knew the material in this class as well, but what can you do?  I guess we'll just have to figure out what went wrong and fix it next time.  There are more grades this semester and a whole other semester to fix the problems.  Things will work out.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: slacker on January 05, 2006, 01:59:14 AM
Straight C's can ruin you at some places -- if grade out is under a C+ average.

But, in general, I agree with the advice.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Goldy on January 05, 2006, 05:43:03 AM
Relax. There is an old joke. What do you call a c law student who graduates? A lawyer.
But really, some people just are not good at taking tests. You will probably do better in your other classes anyway
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: 1HellChicago on January 05, 2006, 05:56:11 AM
Straight C's can ruin you at some places -- if grade out is under a C+ average.

But, in general, I agree with the advice.

Luckily it was only one and I have some other, better grades this semester. I think I'll end up around a 3.0 (maybe slightly below b/c the C was in a high credit class, ugh). As for the median, though, I have no idea and the school won't give out any info until after 2nd semester. I'm told this may be below the median from 2Ls, though.

Well, I guess my biggest fear is that, even if I can make up for it in terms of GPA by scoring well in other classes, it might be this huge, glaring stigma on my transcript that will prevent firms/judges from wanting to hire me as a clerk and then worse: after graduation. I think I would have even preferred 2 B- instead of a C and an A just b/c the C stands out so much. I think I may have gotten the lowest grade in the class.

I know you guys are probably right, but I feel like such crap right now that it's impossible for me to stop worrying about it. Thanks, though, and glad to hear others' more positive attitudes.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: DutchessA on January 05, 2006, 08:06:38 AM
If a C is the lowest grade in your class that is amazing...I got a C in a class I expected it from (I'm not nearly crazy enough for my Prof.)  However, the C that I got is probably slightly above average if the curve followed the midterm we had...so, I'm not overly concerned...I will hopefully (once I get my last two grades) average out at around 3.--...

My main concern is that rumors have spread about how they broke out grades for LRW, it is a 3 unit course, but people are saying that in order to avoid giving points to people who did poorly in their other classes they are limiting the max GPA for LRW to 2.7 (the school average GPA) so that no one can be bumped up from a good grade in LRW...Doesn't completely make sense to me, but that would suck especially since I repeatedly had the highest grade in the class...Does this make sense to any of you?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jacy85 on January 05, 2006, 08:10:35 AM
I wish I knew.  I only have one grade posted so far...

And if you only got 1 C, I agree with everyone else.  Relax, and don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: 1HellChicago on January 05, 2006, 08:37:09 AM
My main concern is that rumors have spread about how they broke out grades for LRW, it is a 3 unit course, but people are saying that in order to avoid giving points to people who did poorly in their other classes they are limiting the max GPA for LRW to 2.7 (the school average GPA) so that no one can be bumped up from a good grade in LRW...Doesn't completely make sense to me, but that would suck especially since I repeatedly had the highest grade in the class...Does this make sense to any of you?

Wow, it doesn't make sense to me at all; hope it's not true for your sake. I think your GPA should be bumped up from a good LRW grade.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on January 05, 2006, 09:05:08 AM
How about this one?

A students become professors
B students become judges
C students make all the money

Relax. There is an old joke. What do you call a c law student who graduates? A lawyer.
But really, some people just are not good at taking tests. You will probably do better in your other classes anyway
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: lincolnsgrandson on January 05, 2006, 09:47:02 AM
a siginficant majority of students will be disappointed by their 1L grades.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on January 05, 2006, 10:38:29 AM
Another adage:

Yea, 90% will be disappointed.

a siginficant majority of students will be disappointed by their 1L grades.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: plutoeyore on January 05, 2006, 10:54:46 AM
I am still waiting for my grades... but I fully expect to earn a C in torts... the essay was brutal and I just didn't perform well... 

Try not to let the C hang over our head... next semester you'll be sure to perform better, w/ expperience under your belt... and I would think most consider the 2nd semeter of 1L and final 1l cum gpa to be the benchmark....

Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: CoxlessPair on January 05, 2006, 11:12:41 AM
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Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: slacker on January 05, 2006, 05:07:05 PM
For transfer they'll probably look at your overall 1st year grades, not just first semester.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Budlaw on January 05, 2006, 05:40:44 PM
This is a bit of a lame question given that this is pretty subjective depending on the school but I'll take any educated guesses:

I ended up with a 3.3 at a school (T.T.T.) that has a 2.8 median and a 120 person 1L class.

Typically, would that be enough to land me in the top 15%? I was a bit disappointed that my crim came back lower and knocked me out of a 3.5 given that I have hoop dreams of transferring T1.

I have a month till rankings come out so I am trying to get a general idea of the boat I am in.

Thanks,
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Sorry Coxless Pair, I don't know what to tell you. (if you're the same one from the other board, you go to a school that starts with D right? I got placed on "hold" at that school but withdrew) I'm kinda in the same boat, but I attend a high T2 school. (not looking to transfer though)

The curve at my school is set at a C+. I ended up with a 85.8 GPA.(B+ is an 86)  Now this isn't all that bad in itself, but what really bites is that Dean's list is an 86.0 and above.

I guess I shouldn't be disappointed, but it really sucks when you just miss out on something. I found out today when my last grade came out. If I would have made just one point higher on it I would have made Dean's list....oh well.

I guess I could look at it like Cum Lad. at my school is only an 84.0 average, so I guess that's a positive. I have know idea what my class rank will be because of all the information I've seen, class rank is only published once a year....so many "but ifs"

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Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on January 05, 2006, 07:24:00 PM
It depends on the distribution. That could put you in the top third, or even top 25%, if all of your classmates GPA's are congregated around 2.8.

I'd say you still have a pretty good shot at top 15-20% if you do really well next semester.

Congrats! At least your ahead of the curve. (I'm scared about my grades. They come out in a few days.)

This is a bit of a lame question given that this is pretty subjective depending on the school but I'll take any educated guesses:

I ended up with a 3.3 at a school (T.T.T.) that has a 2.8 median and a 120 person 1L class.

Typically, would that be enough to land me in the top 15%? I was a bit disappointed that my crim came back lower and knocked me out of a 3.5 given that I have hoop dreams of transferring T1.

I have a month till rankings come out so I am trying to get a general idea of the boat I am in.

Thanks,
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Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Villus on January 05, 2006, 08:39:46 PM
I've only gotten 2 grades so far (B, B+). I am not so worried because if I can come out of this semester with a 3.5 average, I know i can definitely pull it up by the end of next semester. A 3.5 at my school puts you about top 15%. That B was in a class that I thought I would absolutely get a C in, no question. It turned out I was wrong. I went in thinking that If I was not sitting near the top of the class, I would cry my eyes out. But now i'm not so worried if I end up in the top _% of the class. I would prefer top 10% though so that I can transfer.

good luck all
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on January 05, 2006, 09:31:40 PM
what's your curve set at?

I've only gotten 2 grades so far (B, B+). I am not so worried because if I can come out of this semester with a 3.5 average, I know i can definitely pull it up by the end of next semester. A 3.5 at my school puts you about top 15%. That B was in a class that I thought I would absolutely get a C in, no question. It turned out I was wrong. I went in thinking that If I was not sitting near the top of the class, I would cry my eyes out. But now i'm not so worried if I end up in the top _% of the class. I would prefer top 10% though so that I can transfer.

good luck all
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Villus on January 05, 2006, 09:49:31 PM
To tell the truth, i'm not sure, i'm just looking at the grading grid that they give out.
       
                               Top 10%    15%      20%   25%     30%     33%      40%    50%     
First Year Full-Time   233   3.932   3.666   3.567   3.468   3.432   3.334   3.298   3.200      

First Year Part-Time   75   4.093   3.573   3.476   3.333   3.286   3.236   3.141   3.044      
                                 
It looks like 3.5 puts you at top 25, 3.6 puts you at top15%, oh well.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Highway on January 06, 2006, 07:11:44 AM
Meanwhile...some of us still wait for even the chance to be disappointed by our grades. I have no idea of when mine will be released.  >:(
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: DutchessA on January 06, 2006, 07:47:04 AM
To tell the truth, i'm not sure, i'm just looking at the grading grid that they give out.
       
                               Top 10%    15%      20%   25%     30%     33%      40%    50%     
First Year Full-Time   233   3.932   3.666   3.567   3.468   3.432   3.334   3.298   3.200      

First Year Part-Time   75   4.093   3.573   3.476   3.333   3.286   3.236   3.141   3.044      
                                 
God that's high...I think to be in the top 30% at our school you have to have around a 2.9%...but, the curve is pretty aggresive...
It looks like 3.5 puts you at top 25, 3.6 puts you at top15%, oh well.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: plumbert on January 07, 2006, 02:03:20 AM
I'm still waiting for all my grades as well--I've only gotten one so far (a "B" in Legal Writing).
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: 1HellChicago on January 07, 2006, 03:59:53 PM
As long as you get the diploma, the grades won't matter. Even the worst in the class gets a job after graduation.

Do you go to a top school? I'd love to believe your statement, but I'm terrified b/c I'm at a T2 in a market w/ many other law schools... I'm so pissed at myself for getting my C.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Contract2008 on January 07, 2006, 04:38:00 PM
Do you go to a top school? I'd love to believe your statement, but I'm terrified b/c I'm at a T2 in a market w/ many other law schools... I'm so pissed at myself for getting my C.

You either go to Chicago Kent or Loyola, I think Chicago Kent.  Either one, base on the statistics, you will have about 75% chance of having an offer prior to graduation and 97% of getting a job within 9 months after graduation. 

Don't worry, be happy (as long as you will get the rest of your other 4 classes above a C).
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Just Visiting on January 10, 2006, 03:49:58 PM
Anyone know what the median is at Loyola Chicago? I'm bummed b/c I missed the cutoff for the dean's list, and I want to see roughly what percentile I'm in. 

1HellChicago - I can relate, since I too am (obviously) at a T2 in a crowded market.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: 1HellChicago on January 10, 2006, 05:52:29 PM
Anyone know what the median is at Loyola Chicago? I'm bummed b/c I missed the cutoff for the dean's list, and I want to see roughly what percentile I'm in. 

This is exactly my question!!! I'm at Loyola, too.  :) Unfortunately, I missed the cutoff for the dean's list as well... but probably by much more than you did. Screwed myself in a high credit course.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: 1L_LA on January 12, 2006, 03:37:32 PM
Didn't want to create a new topic, so I'll ask here:

I got my grades yesterday and I'm not happy at all: 3 Cs and one B with GPA 2.1. Good academic standing is 2.5. So I'm wondering: should I start over or go ahead and make it up in the 2nd semester?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: ApproachTheBench on January 12, 2006, 06:49:05 PM
I think it really depends on a lot of factors, to tell you the truth.  Do you think you can pick it up?  Do you know where you went wrong last semester?

One of the smartest people I know messed up her 1st semester badly, but she ended up talking to her profs and figuring out the problem (she studied so hard, it wasn't lack of effort, just that she didn't really have her eye on the ball.)  She worked way too hard, didn't work smart and freaked out and bombed everything.  But she came out of it and got her dream job because she recognized what she did wrong and corrected herself.  If you can do that, stick it out. 

Of course the converse of that is that if you can't figure out what you did wrong and your profs can't help you with that you might want to think twice...
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: ChicagoLSTransplant on January 13, 2006, 01:34:10 PM
Talk about disappointed, I just got my grades back A, B, B, and a D.  Where the hell did the D come from?

I mean my other grades show that I should have no trouble bringing it up since it was almost an anomaly, but I bet even with great grades this knocks me out of Law Review, maybe with perfect grades I can pull it.

So should I stop stressing out, or with a D on my record, is the stress warranted?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: mschuell on January 13, 2006, 04:01:32 PM
I am pretty pleased- A, A minus, B, for a 3.6 overall.


Our curve is a 3.0; Does anyone have any insight on where that will rank me?  A classmate said that would be borderline top 15-20 percent.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Brisco on January 13, 2006, 05:18:02 PM
at my school (3.05 curve) that would put you just below top 10%
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Post by: tacojohn on January 14, 2006, 08:16:32 AM
I just keep telling myself that (aside from one test where I made a dumb mistake but was really only a fake final) I met my expectations last semester.  I felt I did just about as good as I can do.  I didn't work myself to the bone, but instead I worked hard yet kept my balance and sanity for the whole semester, right through finals.

The only problem is, this attitude is hard to keep up when I need to be in the top 25% in order to keep my scholarship, and if I lose it, there's no point in me being in law school.  I luckily have a nice little grade from my summer Crim Law class that will help me out, but I try to just say "You did everything you wanted to do, if they didn't like it, eff 'em."
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: S| on January 14, 2006, 08:55:55 AM
"You did everything you wanted to do, if they didn't like it, eff 'em."

That's what I am telling myself as well. If you create a reasonable plan and execute that plan completely, then you really can't be down on yourself. Law school grades, in some respects, seem to be a bit arbitrary, so all you can do is focus on the things that you can control (reading, studying, practice exams, etc.) to give yourself the best shot at an A.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on January 14, 2006, 09:11:46 AM
So far I have all my grades except Criminal Law. Crim is our most important class because it's the only one that we have a final grade in (it's a one semester course). All of our other grades are "midterms," and they only count for 25% of our grade.

So far, my grades are:

Torts: A
Property: B
Contracts: B-
Civ Pro: B-

We're on a pretty rough 2.7 (B-) curve, so I'm thinking this may put me in the top third, depending the spread of grades that the students in my section get.

They don't calculate our class rank until the end of the year. Anyone have a better estimate of my class rank or any insight on this?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: S| on January 14, 2006, 09:41:08 AM
mp,
Did you follow through on the PLS II method and LEEWS?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on January 14, 2006, 04:11:33 PM
mp,
Did you follow through on the PLS II method and LEEWS?

Yea I did. I helped, but I think it will help more this semester.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: S| on January 14, 2006, 04:38:51 PM
Hmmm, so did you follow it completely? Prepping for all your classes during the summer, doing many practice exams, etc?

This isn't meant as an insult, but shouldn't all that work produce more than grades slightly better than the median? I mean, LEEWS alone guarentees Bs.

Would you say it was worth the work?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: brewha on January 14, 2006, 07:42:12 PM
I saw the question about PLS and LEEWS.  I followed those methods to a certain degree and it seemed to help tremendously.  My results so far are Torts: A; Contracts: B+; LRW: B+; Con Law: B Civ Pro: waiting.
Perhaps the biggest tip both methods stressed was beginning the course outline from day one and constantly refining it each week.  I know it saved me the hassle of creating an outline during the final month and allowed me to take much needed practice exams. 
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Post by: Frappe on January 14, 2006, 07:58:26 PM
Which school give you a restart option?  I've never heard of this...
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on January 14, 2006, 08:05:47 PM
Well. I may be in the top-third. I'm waiting for one more grade though, which could go either way.

I'm at a very competitive school (even though it's a T-4).

I didn't prep much in the summer. I really only prepped for like a month. PLS is not guaranteed to work. I think it helped though. I also didn't follow it precisely. Some courses it helps more than others. I don't know what else to say -- I'm not ecstatic about my grades either. I'm confident I'll do better this semester and I think I have a pretty good shot at top 25% (these grades were only midterms that counted as only 25% of our grade).

Hmmm, so did you follow it completely? Prepping for all your classes during the summer, doing many practice exams, etc?

This isn't meant as an insult, but shouldn't all that work produce more than grades slightly better than the median? I mean, LEEWS alone guarentees Bs.

Would you say it was worth the work?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: S| on January 14, 2006, 08:58:40 PM
I followed PLS and LEEWS as well, but have not received my grades. I guess my question is, what are other students doing that they score higher?

The difference between exams at the high end of the grade spectrum must be so subtle that the grading becomes somewhat arbitrary.
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Post by: plumbert on January 14, 2006, 10:28:48 PM
Forgive my ignorance, what is PLS?
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Post by: dft on January 14, 2006, 10:37:15 PM
I don't know. There are obviously a lot of factors. Hard work and intelligence are two big ones, but they're also two that people assume account for all the differences in grades, and I doubt this is the case. Part of it is probably luck, for example. Other facts include: how many practice exams the student did, what study aids he or she used, how much they paid attention in class, whether they made outlines (and if so, how), etc.

I know I made a couple of mistakes on a few exams. For example, on Civ Pro I spent too much time on something which wasn't really an issue according to the prof, which precluded me from spending as much time on one important issue. For Contracts, I really don't know what the hell happened, because I didn't think I made any mistakes. Still, my worst grades are AT the curve, so it's not that bad -- it could be worse.

I'm going to have to talk to my profs to see how I can improve. Like I said, I am really shocked about Contracts though -- my professor must have some weird grading system or something. The only problem is that he is the most unapproachable professor -- every student that has gone to see him in his office has regretted it. Trying to figure out where I went wrong (in his view) and how I can improve is going to be difficult for this reason.

The PLS Approach doesn't always work. In general, I think it works. But, even AF (the author of PLS) admits that it has "glitches." For example, there was an anecdote from one student who took a practice Torts exam that his professor administered in class one day. He used the LEEWS approach and spotted as many issues as he possible could; anything that was "colorable." While this is usually what law professors want, this particular professor was more interested in the student spotting and resolving only the major issues -- he was not really interested in the minor issues. The student's analysis on the issues that the prof had in mind was not very in depth, and as a result, he got a "very mediocre" grade.

There are other "glitches" or problems with the PLS Approach that need to be ironed out, and I think I'm getting a pretty good idea of what they are. That's for another discussion though...

I followed PLS and LEEWS as well, but have not received my grades. I guess my question is, what are other students doing that they score higher?

The difference between exams at the high end of the grade spectrum must be so subtle that the grading becomes somewhat arbitrary.
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Post by: dft on January 14, 2006, 10:41:57 PM
Forgive my ignorance, what is PLS?

Planet Law School II by Atticus Falcon (pseudonym).
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Post by: nate on January 20, 2006, 03:36:58 PM
BTW I just got all my grades but one:

C (2 credit)
B- (3 credit)
B- (3 credit)
B (3 credit)

for an average so far of 2.64. My missing class is a 4 credit class. My school uses a 2.8 curve. I'm pretty darn upset about it right now but I'll be over it by tomorrow morning after I eat some greasy pizza and chocolate bars! LOL.

But seriously, is a 2.64 on a 2.8 curve really awful? I'm being told it's about right.

no that's not awful at all. that puts you somewhere around the median. of course "median" means different things at different schools in terms of employment etc., but i don't see why being in the middle of the class is bad at all. congrats.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: manhattanazn on January 25, 2006, 07:38:36 AM
I am dying to know my ranking...can someone let me know how I can calculate it (ok not calculaet but at least a guesstimate) if my school doesn't rank until the end of the year? My school runs a B curve. Thanks
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: shotta4u on January 25, 2006, 11:30:57 AM
I had a bad first semester. My school (a tier 2) uses a B curve and I got a C in Torts which was the class I thought I would do my best in.

And I got a B- for legal writing where I should have at least gotten a B. I was getting a B+ for that class until I got caught up with trying to help another law student who was having a nervous break down. At the time I really should have been studying for a test worth 15% of my grade. I flunked the test and as a result my grade in that class dropped to a B-.

I didn't fear better in Contracts were I also got a B-, and my best grade this semester turned out to be a B in criminal law which was ironically the class I paid the least attention in.

So now I'm sitting on a 2.5 GPA and am disappointed as hell. I had dreams finding a good legal internship for the summer but perhaps all that is out the window. Oh well I hope this semester will be a different story with my grades.
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Post by: jacy85 on January 25, 2006, 12:07:21 PM
I'm finally getting some grades.  I got an A- in legal writing, and a B+ in another class.  3 more grades to go...
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Post by: S| on January 26, 2006, 04:37:02 AM
Not bad.  I finally got all my grades; three As and one A-.  Our class rank comes out tomorrow, so I am pretty excited about that. Unless some freak got an A+ then I should be golden.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: be10dwn on January 26, 2006, 07:47:21 AM
I had a bad first semester. My school (a tier 2) uses a B curve and I got a C in Torts which was the class I thought I would do my best in.

And I got a B- for legal writing where I should have at least gotten a B. I was getting a B+ for that class until I got caught up with trying to help another law student who was having a nervous break down. At the time I really should have been studying for a test worth 15% of my grade. I flunked the test and as a result my grade in that class dropped to a B-.

I didn't fear better in Contracts were I also got a B-, and my best grade this semester turned out to be a B in criminal law which was ironically the class I paid the least attention in.

So now I'm sitting on a 2.5 GPA and am disappointed as hell. I had dreams finding a good legal internship for the summer but perhaps all that is out the window. Oh well I hope this semester will be a different story with my grades.

Im with you brother
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: starter on January 27, 2006, 11:30:05 PM
2.7 on a 3.0 curve.  My grades were remarkably similar, 2.6, 2.7, 2.8.  Needless to say I'm shocked at the consistency and not all that happy.  But I guess it's not anything that isn't recoverable.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: plumbert on January 28, 2006, 05:21:06 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but what are the ramifications of getting a 2.7 on a 3.0 curve?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jimmyjohn on January 28, 2006, 09:47:34 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but what are the ramifications of getting a 2.7 on a 3.0 curve?

Curve is B, I pretty much got 3 B- to put it another way.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: tjking82 on January 28, 2006, 11:59:16 AM
Not bad.  I finally got all my grades; three As and one A-.  Our class rank comes out tomorrow, so I am pretty excited about that. Unless some freak got an A+ then I should be golden.

hahaha.  Yeah, I'm disappointed by my grades too.  Nothing less than a 4.0 is acceptable!
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: rosemarie on January 28, 2006, 01:28:11 PM

I ended up getting an A+, A, A-, and B+. I have absolutely no idea how that happened. The only thing I could surely say after I took each was that I didn't think I failed.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jjason on January 30, 2006, 02:26:42 PM
one thing about law school is the difficulty of assessing whether or not your study habits are on targett - at least not until exam day. So, after a review of your habits for each course, what did you do to get that A/A-/B+? did u study the night before the exam, or not? study group or on your own? commercial outlines? your own outlines? both? case briefing? how - highlight method of briefing directly in your casebook or other method? number of hours of reading for each course? What went wrong in the courses where you exam performance wasn't as great?

I know a lot depends on the individual, but any nuggets of wisdom are greatly appreciated. Hey - even those of you who felt you did crappy - what will you do differently this next semester?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jacy85 on January 30, 2006, 02:48:35 PM
I've gotten all my grades but one, and I have 2 A- and 2 B+.  I did all of my reading, most over the weekend.  I copy and paste the lexis briefs in my notes, and for the most part, I book brief.  If there's any key rule or reasoning in the case, I'll add that into my notes, but otherwise I just write in the margins of the book and highlight.

I did all of my own outlines.  I was caught up and current with them by early to mid November.  Then jsut before Thanksgiving, I started meeting with a study group with 2 or 3 other people, but one other girl and I pretty much were the ones that showed up all the time.  We only did practice questions together.  For me, it was helpful in the beginning to learn how to work with the material to formulate answers.  But after a couple of weeks, it was mostly a motivational thing for me.  I'd want to watch TV or go out instead of do practice questions, but I knew that i was meeting with my study group the next day, so I'd work through the problems we'd agreed to do.

The other major thing that helped me applies to legal writing, one of my A-. I was really diligent about getting my memo done early.  I had my first draft done one week before the draft was due.  So I was editing and going to office hours to improve my "first" draft the entire week while many other classmates were finishing research or still drafting.  I was able to receive much better feedback on my "first" draft, and I feel like that made my final product much better. (and when we got our drafts and comments back, I started editing right away, and didn't put if off until the last minute)

I also did LEEWS, which I feel helped a lot when it came to actually writing the exam.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: WobbleWobbleWobble on January 30, 2006, 05:00:54 PM
4 of 5 grades: B+, A-, A-, A

I did all my reading over the weekend.  Usually started with some kind of commercial outline/hornbook, then moved on to the assigned casebook readings.  The night before I would review for each class.  I basically copied the case briefs from the commercial outlines or Lexis, then did some form of book briefing. 

I didn't participate in a study group one single time last semester.  I didn't create my own outlines.  I used old ones and modified them to suit my needs.  For finals, I did tons of practice problems.  Not writing out an entire answer, but just the outline.  Probably  35 to 40 questions for each class. 

I never raised my hand once in class and I'm pretty sure when I was called on I sounded like a total retard. 
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Senior Belding on January 30, 2006, 08:08:25 PM
Wobble Wobble is dead on.
People focus on having the best outline or trying to sound good in class. God i dislike people who raise their hand. What is the point? yo ucan always email the profesor. Noone gives a rats ass about your conjecture you noisy overweight putz. But I digress...

Doing good in law school is doing well on exams...find every f'ing practice test you can and drill drill drill. Its kind of like an athletic event. You may read all about when and how you can run a marathon well but until you strap the shoes on and practice first, you dont know a damn thing.

Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: plumbert on January 31, 2006, 06:40:00 AM
So...is it fair to assume that, in those classes which are merely a continuation from fall ("Contracts II" "Torts II"), everything on the exam in December will be tested on the exam in June?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Frappe on January 31, 2006, 08:42:11 AM
So...is it fair to assume that, in those classes which are merely a continuation from fall ("Contracts II" "Torts II"), everything on the exam in December will be tested on the exam in June?

No, that's not how my classes work.  For example, Contracts I was all about the formation of a contract, but in Contracts II we're learning how to break a contract.   
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Highway on January 31, 2006, 09:46:25 AM
Still waiting on grades...  >:(

They are supposed to be in to the registrar by tomorrow. Now watch - the person who puts them in the system will probably be sick the rest of the week.  ???
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: luckyboy on January 31, 2006, 02:48:49 PM
what is the typical median for schools, most i hear like 2.67, maybe 3, well we just got class rank, and i think our school is like 3.2 as the median, which i though was high, anyone else have a high median, i guess they just want us to feel good about ourselves and inflate our grades,
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jacy85 on January 31, 2006, 03:33:48 PM
We're something like a 3.17 or .18.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on January 31, 2006, 08:46:29 PM
2.67 curve here. pretty rough...

what is the typical median for schools, most i hear like 2.67, maybe 3, well we just got class rank, and i think our school is like 3.2 as the median, which i though was high, anyone else have a high median, i guess they just want us to feel good about ourselves and inflate our grades,
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Budlaw on January 31, 2006, 10:20:42 PM
what is the typical median for schools, most i hear like 2.67, maybe 3, well we just got class rank, and i think our school is like 3.2 as the median, which i though was high, anyone else have a high median, i guess they just want us to feel good about ourselves and inflate our grades,

FSU's median is between 79 and 81. So say 80. I guess that translantes to a 2.5.....

This is a good reason why comparing a school's median to another school's is pointless. (and why I don't understand why FSU doesn't rank 1L's after one semester when we're competing with other schools for summer associateships and they allready have class rankings....but that's another argument) If you have a 2.9 at FSU when you graduate, then you're an honor grad...wheras a 2.9 at other schools gets you a big fat "thanks for playing" card.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on February 01, 2006, 09:08:21 AM
80 translated to "B-" which translates to 2.67.

what is the typical median for schools, most i hear like 2.67, maybe 3, well we just got class rank, and i think our school is like 3.2 as the median, which i though was high, anyone else have a high median, i guess they just want us to feel good about ourselves and inflate our grades,

FSU's median is between 79 and 81. So say 80. I guess that translantes to a 2.5.....

This is a good reason why comparing a school's median to another school's is pointless. (and why I don't understand why FSU doesn't rank 1L's after one semester when we're competing with other schools for summer associateships and they allready have class rankings....but that's another argument) If you have a 2.9 at FSU when you graduate, then you're an honor grad...wheras a 2.9 at other schools gets you a big fat "thanks for playing" card.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: lawisevil on February 14, 2006, 02:07:21 PM
Getting A's is really easy if you know what to do so a C is a bad grade. But it is the average grade in most lawschools except the ones that grade inflate such as Harvard and Yale.

Most of the problems come from simply not knowing who to believe and what to do. Disappointment is not the right word. Frustration for misinformation is more likely what you are feeling as well as betrayal. 

This site will help you understand in hindsight what you should have done. I go back to the site about every 3-4 months to make sure I don't lose my focus.

www.bsmsphd.com 


Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: LostMyMonkeys on February 15, 2006, 06:53:16 PM
Which school give you a restart option?  I've never heard of this...


This may have been addressed already, but Florida Coastal is one school I know that does this after your first semester. Basically just wipes out your first semester and you start over fresh, and fresh out of the first semester's tuition of course.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Budlaw on February 15, 2006, 10:04:55 PM
Getting A's is really easy if you know what to do so a C is a bad grade. But it is the average grade in most lawschools except the ones that grade inflate such as Harvard and Yale.

Most of the problems come from simply not knowing who to believe and what to do. Disappointment is not the right word. Frustration for misinformation is more likely what you are feeling as well as betrayal. 

This site will help you understand in hindsight what you should have done. I go back to the site about every 3-4 months to make sure I don't lose my focus.

www.bsmsphd.com 





Man what the @#!*? Why all of the sudden is there all these idiots who are on this board pushing products?

Site administrators do something about this!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: briarpatch on February 26, 2006, 03:06:31 AM
Well, I wasn't not disappointed with my 1L grades at all.  In fact, I'm well on my way to being "miserable" in biglaw.  It will really suck being at the top of the legal food chain, I guess.  ::)

But then again, I don't wallow around looking for fake validation when I don't work.  I sat down and mastered the exams, giving them the time required because they were important

Quit being a baby about your grades.  If you don't work, then you don't eat.  That's life and that's the dog-eat-dog world of law.

HTH
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: 980eQ on February 27, 2006, 11:02:18 AM
Well, my lawschool is really, really, REALLY rough on grading. Our curve is hell, and an 85 will put you at top 40-30%.

I will say this, My favorite class was also my lowest grade, at a C. After talking to the professor, he said that my analysis was good, but the wear and tear of the test got to me. The test was a 24 hour take home. at 12th hour all of us were finishing the first Q we decided to do. I ended up with a C bc at the last Q I basically just laid out the rule and application, which ended up screwing me in the end, bc he said my first two questions were stellar and near top score. I got tired, and the test beat me. I am not all that daunted though.

My torts grade was best, and I was near the top of the class (10). It was a traditional exam though, sitting in the room with the little exam books. I honestly prefer those bc you dont second guess yourself with the material the way that you are led to do with an open book, IMO.

My other grade fell right about mid-line and got me a B avg.

So really, I think that the C you got isnt going to KILL your chances, nor will it make you unemployable. As said above, after 5 years, all thats going to matter is your last case and your ability to do your job; grades wont mean *&^% at that point.

Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: 1HellChicago on March 28, 2006, 06:04:38 PM
Well, I wasn't not disappointed with my 1L grades at all.  In fact, I'm well on my way to being "miserable" in biglaw.  It will really suck being at the top of the legal food chain, I guess.  ::)

But then again, I don't wallow around looking for fake validation when I don't work.  I sat down and mastered the exams, giving them the time required because they were important

Quit being a baby about your grades.  If you don't work, then you don't eat.  That's life and that's the dog-eat-dog world of law.

HTH

Hey Jackass, don't forget you've only completed 1/6 of the curriculum.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Budlaw on May 18, 2006, 01:20:24 PM
Why the hell did you make a B+?  ;)


I was actually pleasantly surprised by my grades.  Then again, all my friends that went directly to Law School from Undergrad said that they had not seen any A's yet (and to expect all B's from hence forward).


Yet, to my shock, I ended up with: A, A, A, A-, B+.

I don't know what the trick is but this is what I did:  (a) I did only ONE outline (for Civ Pro), (b) I briefed EVERY case and took notes on all the reading, (c) Missed very few classes, (d) Had a study group during which we did every practice problem known to man (and we fought, outloud, our views on each one), and (e) studied hard!  Outlines for me don't work but that doesn't mean they won't work for you.  For me, the key thing was getting together with my study group early on (half way through the semester) and consistently doing practice problems. 
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: kallish on May 26, 2006, 07:02:34 PM
BTW I just got all my grades but one:

C (2 credit)
B- (3 credit)
B- (3 credit)
B (3 credit)

for an average so far of 2.64. My missing class is a 4 credit class. My school uses a 2.8 curve. I'm pretty darn upset about it right now but I'll be over it by tomorrow morning after I eat some greasy pizza and chocolate bars! LOL.

But seriously, is a 2.64 on a 2.8 curve really awful? I'm being told it's about right.

Do yourself a favor and quit law school! I had a better GPA than yours and I am not in law school anymore. You won't be able to find employment with that GPA!
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on May 27, 2006, 10:24:00 PM
I disagree. If you can network and market yourself well, you'll get a job.

BTW I just got all my grades but one:

C (2 credit)
B- (3 credit)
B- (3 credit)
B (3 credit)

for an average so far of 2.64. My missing class is a 4 credit class. My school uses a 2.8 curve. I'm pretty darn upset about it right now but I'll be over it by tomorrow morning after I eat some greasy pizza and chocolate bars! LOL.

But seriously, is a 2.64 on a 2.8 curve really awful? I'm being told it's about right.

Do yourself a favor and quit law school! I had a better GPA than yours and I am not in law school anymore. You won't be able to find employment with that GPA!
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: racheles05 on May 28, 2006, 09:54:02 AM
I don't discuss specifics about grades, but I graded onto law review and I made Dean's List last semester. I don't have all my grades back from this semester, but I'm doing pretty well. As far as study habits go, I do what I'm comfortable with and I ignore other people's suggestions. At the beginning of 1L, I tried out different methods - outlining, practice tests, book briefing, regular briefing, etc. I figured out what I liked. I use different methods for different classes. I don't spend a lot of time on an outline for closed-book exams, for example, because I don't need to use the outline. I spend more time doing flashcards and practice questions. Everybody told me that I should avoid flashcards, but I'm comfortable with flashcards, so that's what I use. I don't like study groups so I avoid them for the most part. On exam day, I stay away from the law school, listen to some music, and do a few flashcards. If there's a topic I'm still uncomfortable with, I review it a few times. Basically, I don't freak out during the two weeks of exams. I don't try to fit a square peg into a round hole, either - I use study methods that I like and that make me feel prepared. I don't think you'll do really well if you force yourself to outline or do whatever everybody tells you to do when you learn better by using other methods. It's all about confidence.

When it comes down to grades, I think strategy on exam day is more important than study habits. Read the directions. Ask questions about the exam. Answer the questions in a way that will maximize points. I took one exam where the professor specifically said that there were more questions than anybody would be able to answer and he was more interested in thorough analysis for a few questions than crappy analysis for every question. Still, there were several people bragging that they answered every question afterwards. I answered three out of I think seven questions and one person told me that I was nuts for doing that, but I did a thorough analysis like the professor requested. My grade was very good. If the question asks for six cases, come up with six cases. That doesn't mean write twice as much about three cases. If you even manage to name six cases you'll beat out the people who misread the question or who didn't follow directions. I think a big part of exams is anticipating the mistakes of others and not making those mistakes.

I use IRAC on exams except when the professor requests another format. I break between paragraphs so my exam isn't just a 15-20 page blob. That sounds like a stupid format thing, but if you're grading 90 exams, would you be able to carefully read 15 pages with no paragraph breaks? I'm very methodical and formulaic. I pose the issue in question format. I state the rule, usually citing to a case or a string of cases. I use signals when I cite to cases in an exam just as I would in a brief. That makes it easier for the professor to see why I'm citing to a particular case for a rule. If I were really anal, I'd jot down the pincite in my outline, but I'm not that anal. When I do the analysis, I do as much fact-to-fact analogies as are necessary for the issue. If it's a minor issue, I might do one sentence. If it's a major issue, I might do a couple paragraphs and then break up those paragraphs into sub-issues. Sometimes professors say they don't want conclusions, so I omit the conclusion. If the question asks for a conclusion, I give a conclusion, but I don't spend a lot of time on it. Since I'm usually presenting both sides, I'll just randomly pick a side and say, for example, "X will probably not be charged with larceny because of Y." Y being one of the claims that I stated in my analysis. There aren't usually many points to be had in the conclusion, it's all in the analysis, so I don't worry about it too much.

As a final note, I type about 80 wpm. I would recommend, if you take computer-based exams, doing soming typing tutorials and improving your typing speed. If you're just as good at taking exams as I am, but can't type as fast and thus can't cover as much ground, you'll get a lower grade. It probably won't be a significantly lower grade, but why not do the best you can? You'll also be more comfortable during the exam if you're comfortable typing fast.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: galex on May 28, 2006, 04:11:32 PM
Thanks for the practical advice, racheles05!
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Michael on May 30, 2006, 08:28:54 PM
I disagree. If you can network and market yourself well, you'll get a job.


Do yourself a favor and quit law school! I had a better GPA than yours and I am not in law school anymore. You won't be able to find employment with that GPA!

If the OP was in a T4 s/he is right, mp.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on May 30, 2006, 08:43:42 PM
Chances are, s/he was/is at a T4, considering that extremely low curve. I still say s/he can get a decent job. Read "Guerilla Tactics for Getting the Legal Job of Your Dreams." The author explains how anyone can get a job, regardless of his/her school or grades. While this proposition may be somewhat of an exaggeration, I think it's true to some extent. If you figure out how to network, interview, and market yourself the right way, you can get a decent job even with low grades. Yea, you won't get a BIGLAW job, but you'll get something.

If the OP was in a T4 s/he is right, mp.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: buttlaw on May 31, 2006, 07:33:14 PM
3.00 is the cut-off GPA to be interviewed for a job period.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jason1114 on June 01, 2006, 01:40:00 AM
What matters is what the firms nearest the school nearest to the geographic area you want to practice in expect...

For most high... For a few fortunate few... low...

Not my school
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on June 01, 2006, 02:05:21 PM
3.00 is the cut-off GPA to be interviewed for a job period.

Not when you're at a school that has a 2.7 curve like mine. 3.0 puts you in the top 25%.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jejous on June 01, 2006, 07:13:25 PM
The f**cking piece of *&^% cheap school of mine (obviously T4) sets the curve for mandatory classes at 2.7, but the overall first-year GPA is around 2.9. Never heard of a school where 3.0 puts you in the top 25%. 
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: chanson on June 02, 2006, 04:36:14 AM

Yea, you won't get a BIGLAW job, but you'll get something.


Wouldn't you regret that you would be a 'miserable lawyer' for the rest of your life in case you'll only be able to get 'something'?!
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on June 02, 2006, 12:40:22 PM
I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say because that sentence was a bit hard to follow, but assuming I'm interpreting what you are saying correctly, my answer is "no." In fact, you are probably MORE likely to be miserable if you go into BIGLAW than if you do not.


Yea, you won't get a BIGLAW job, but you'll get something.


Wouldn't you regret that you would be a 'miserable lawyer' for the rest of your life in case you'll only be able to get 'something'?!
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: dft on June 02, 2006, 12:41:24 PM
3.35 GPA = top 5% at my school

The f**cking piece of *&^% cheap school of mine (obviously T4) sets the curve for mandatory classes at 2.7, but the overall first-year GPA is around 2.9. Never heard of a school where 3.0 puts you in the top 25%. 
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: cube on June 04, 2006, 07:42:19 PM

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say because that sentence was a bit hard to follow [...] 


I guess there's a bit of "interbreeding" -- so to speak -- in that sentence, mp ;) Do you quite get this one, btw? ;)

Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jimmyjohn on June 07, 2006, 09:01:58 PM
I sucked first semester.  Doing a lot better this time.
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Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jippyjappa on June 20, 2006, 08:43:11 AM

The f**cking piece of *&^% cheap school of mine (obviously T4) sets the curve for mandatory classes at 2.7, but the overall first-year GPA is around 2.9. Never heard of a school where 3.0 puts you in the top 25%. 




Easy solution- put your class rank or percentile on your resume. What they usually care about is how you stack up to others, not your GPA itself.
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Tymeless on June 20, 2006, 10:10:16 AM
Finished with a 2.68 :(.   Anyone know about where I would fall in rankings at a school with a b- curve?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Highway on June 20, 2006, 02:35:19 PM
Finished with a 2.68 :(.   Anyone know about where I would fall in rankings at a school with a b- curve?

Probably below the curve (3.0.)

Sorry...couldn't help myself. This is a stupid question given that nobody knows what school you go to, how many students you have in your class, or anything else for that matter. Any guesses provided are no better than a guess you come up with.

Seriously...do people with reasoning like this actually go to law school?
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Tymeless on June 20, 2006, 03:02:55 PM
I have seen other posts similar to mine on other boards.  I will not apoligize for asking the question.  I was only seeking a general NOT specific answer. I know you nor anyone else can say. 
"Tymeless, you will rank 2/144." My school actually does not rank or post percentage until next year.

And by the way I thought 3.0 equated to a B.  Not a B-.  Or am I that stupid?

Thank you though for letting me know that I should seek a response to my question elsewhere or at least on a more user friendly board. 

Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Budlaw on June 20, 2006, 03:28:57 PM
I have seen other posts similar to mine on other boards.  I will not apoligize for asking the question.  I was only seeking a general NOT specific answer. I know you nor anyone else can say. 
"Tymeless, you will rank 2/144." My school actually does not rank or post percentage until next year.

And by the way I thought 3.0 equated to a B.  Not a B-.  Or am I that stupid?

Thank you though for letting me know that I should seek a response to my question elsewhere or at least on a more user friendly board. 



You should ask your admissions/records office as to where your GPA fell on the curve for the class before you. That should give you a general idea as to where you stand in this years class.

HTH
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jimmyjohn on June 20, 2006, 03:54:15 PM
Probably bottom 45% or so. 
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: Tymeless on June 21, 2006, 07:35:15 AM
I have seen other posts similar to mine on other boards.  I will not apoligize for asking the question.  I was only seeking a general NOT specific answer. I know you nor anyone else can say. 
"Tymeless, you will rank 2/144." My school actually does not rank or post percentage until next year.

And by the way I thought 3.0 equated to a B.  Not a B-.  Or am I that stupid?

Thank you though for letting me know that I should seek a response to my question elsewhere or at least on a more user friendly board. 



You should ask your admissions/records office as to where your GPA fell on the curve for the class before you. That should give you a general idea as to where you stand in this years class.

HTH


Thank you I will call today. 
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: jason1114 on June 21, 2006, 11:13:52 AM
I'd say you're a lock for top 92 percentile. Good Job!!!  ;D

American Can-do attitude will take you to the top!!!
Title: Re: Anyone extremely disappointed by 1L grades? I am...
Post by: KevinH on August 03, 2006, 05:21:41 AM
Chances are, s/he was/is at a T4, considering that extremely low curve. I still say s/he can get a decent job. Read "Guerilla Tactics for Getting the Legal Job of Your Dreams." The author explains how anyone can get a job, regardless of his/her school or grades. While this proposition may be somewhat of an exaggeration, I think it's true to some extent. If you figure out how to network, interview, and market yourself the right way, you can get a decent job even with low grades. Yea, you won't get a BIGLAW job, but you'll get something.


Actually, I'm in a tier 2 school, which is on the cusp of being tier 1. We're at like #56 or so.

Adding in this semester's GPA I have a CGPA of 2.7


If you're below the curve, drop out! Believe me, that decision will pay off in the long run!