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Title: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: 4dloveoflaw on December 20, 2005, 01:47:00 PM
The notion that online law schools being ABA approved is a heaven sent dream is a false notion.  The law profession is already flooded as it is, yet allowing a whole new market into the career field.  A law degree is an education that an enormous amount of the population truly have a desire for.  Schools like Concord who are owned by Kaplan learned that after preparing so many people for the LSAT that there is a $$$$market feeding of of the interest of others.  The J.D is almost like a bachelor's degree because everyone either has one, is getting one, or wants one.  Many employers, and decent firms can choose from the best of the best because the competition is so fierce.  If we allow online Law Degrees to be ABA and handed out like candy, unless you have a rich uncle who happens to sit on the admission board at Harvard you are not going to find a decent paying job.  You are investing in an education not a new car.  The J.D in itself controls the amountof people who have one, because of the rigorous commitment a J.D requires.  The more J.D 's in the career market and the easier it is to get one, the less value the degree has.  For example a M.D is not an over sought degree because of the demands of medical school and thus if you do have one you are recruited and paid well. Most graduates after Law School as it stands now are un-employed.  Can you imangine how the market would be if a market of thousands of online students began to practice law in your job market?

I am not trying to be synical but more realistic.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: Wild Jack Maverick on December 21, 2005, 06:12:33 AM
I just completed micro economics. Now what was that about monopolies, oligopolies, the use of economies of scale and licensing of professions as a way of regulating and creating barriers of entry?

The ABA was founded in 1878. Other important events of the same year include the first phone directory, Central Park was in the construction stage, the invention of the microphone, and work began on the first vehicle powered by an internal combustion engine.

There have been many changes and improvements since 1878. What about the ABA?

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"Most graduates after Law School as it stands now are un-employed."
The statement sort of makes it sound as if the more expensive law degrees are not worth the cost.


"Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity."-- Irving Kristol

Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: duckasourus on February 03, 2006, 05:11:07 PM
There have been many changes and improvements since 1878. What about the ABA?

Um the aba has added schools as they have proven to produce students with the skills necessary to be lawyers.  Internet law schools simply breed off of those who want to be lawyers but are not smart enough to become lawyers, and thus throw away there money into a fake degree with no hope of getting a real job.  Sure you can start your own firm all together but first you have to pass the bar, not likely, and malpractice rates would be through the roof.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: philibusters on March 23, 2006, 09:39:21 PM
Umm, from a person perspective and not looking at merit it would suck if the ABA approved online law schools because that would devalue my investment in law school, I pay out of state tutution and with living expenses thats about $40,000 a year times three, just the high price along keeps the market from being flooded.

From a merit perspective if you can pass the bar then I think its fair you should be able to practice.   I wouldn't mind if they made the bar a little harder to weed people out-as long as my school then prepared me for it instead of letting me fend for myself like they do now.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: PJ on March 27, 2006, 11:41:19 AM
Good Day.  What a great debate.  As many of you feel, I agree that the market is flooded with J.D.s.  It is not flooded with esq.  The Bar is the great leveler of the JD.  As one of you wrote, you will graduate with a $120,000 in debt.  I will not.  What is your school's Bar pass rate.  Mine is one of the best in California.  If my school is so much better at teaching me the law I will need to practice, why should my school be denide recognition by the ABA for being superior in producing people ready to practice?

Just a question- Devil's advocate thing.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: RootBrewskies on March 27, 2006, 12:09:44 PM
i support the notion of not allowing online ABA approved law schools to open up.  i dont think there should be online law schools for a few reasons.

first of all i dont think it would flood the market with lawyers because i dont think that anyone (or barely anyone) who went to an online law school would pass the bar.  more importantly though, i dont want traditional law schools to see online learning as a way to cash in (in the same way they have in undergrad and some grad school levels).  ive unfortunately been forced to take some online classes and they have been utterly worthless.  i could not imagine taking them for law school and expect to perform as well. 

i also dont think that online law schools are a good idea because i think that being an attorney is a profession that is not suited for everyone.  there is a reason that law school is competitive for entry and a reason that classes at schools are small.  if online law schools open up the overall value of a JD would go down and the time honored profession would be devalued. 


that being said, i support technological integration into classrooms but i do not think that technology can replace the classroom. 

law school is not a weeknight get training in medical assistant school.  it is hard work with competitive entry and students, this is a negative aspect of law school, this is why the country is essentially run by lawyers.  its the best of the best and thats how it should stay.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: philibusters on March 29, 2006, 08:38:57 PM
I think my schools bar passage rate is in the uppers 80%'s, I know its 85% for VA.  Passing the bar isn't too hard if you study for it, my guess is the people who don't pass from my school don't take it serious enough.  I kind of wish my school prepared us rahter than doing it on our own, but I am not too worried about it, I being only a 1L now.

In the end, I doubt online schools give you as good an education as a brick and mortar, if they teach you state law for the bar and you still aren't passing, then you probably haven't mastered legal analysis yet.  BUT within a year of practicing, it probably doesn't make a difference, as on the job training is what really counts. The legal reasoning you don't pick up from class and getting questioned by your profs, you pick up from being immersed in legal work and watching other lawyers. 

I will have $120,000 invested in law school when I graduate, but its a sure thing (I would be shocked if I don't pass the bar on my first try).  I am 22 so I'll take the sure thing.  If I was 45, maybe I wouldn't feel it was a safe bet that I would be able to recoup my investment and would take cheaper options more seriously.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: beeg on March 30, 2006, 11:42:55 PM
Good Day.  What a great debate.  As many of you feel, I agree that the market is flooded with J.D.s.  It is not flooded with esq.  The Bar is the great leveler of the JD.  As one of you wrote, you will graduate with a $120,000 in debt.  I will not.  What is your school's Bar pass rate.  Mine is one of the best in California.  If my school is so much better at teaching me the law I will need to practice, why should my school be denide recognition by the ABA for being superior in producing people ready to practice?

Just a question- Devil's advocate thing.

If you were able to spell correctly I might think your argument was worthwhile.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: BizLaw on June 09, 2006, 10:05:55 PM
Just my two cents, but if one takes a step back to view this debate as an analogous argument, wouldn't one see that the refusal of the ABA to grant accreditation to Online law schools is the same as a CO-OP Board refusing to admit a potential tenant/buyer?  Both are exercising their right to discriminate (which in either scenario is perfectly legal), but are they acting in the best interest of themselves with regards to survival of the entity?

25 years ago did anyone really think that we would be able to "post" comments on something called the Internet?  Maybe so, maybe not; regardless, Online law schools are here.  So is it time for the ABA have a serious discussion about its policies regarding the accreditation?  Why not, it currenlty approves of some Online courses provided through B&M LS, and I suppose the ABA can just excersise its right to just not listen.

Whatever the outcome of the debate will be, it probably will not be decided for some time to come.  But in the meantime, we'll condinue to debate, go to school, and live big.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 19, 2007, 10:22:51 PM
There have been many changes and improvements since 1878. What about the ABA?

Um the aba has added schools as they have proven to produce students with the skills necessary to be lawyers.  Internet law schools simply breed off of those who want to be lawyers but are not smart enough to become lawyers, and thus throw away there money into a fake degree with no hope of getting a real job.  Sure you can start your own firm all together but first you have to pass the bar, not likely, and malpractice rates would be through the roof.

Appears B&M schools prey off those too stupid to learn basic English... ;D
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: LegalLatin78 on January 19, 2007, 11:32:01 PM
I would disagree with that statement duckasourus.  Online degrees are great for people who have already established a successful career, especially if they want to go into consulting.  While working with and for the SEC, I found many arbitrators and judges who had online degrees. 

Kids around here think they know everything.  I need a drink...
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 21, 2007, 09:49:21 AM
And, particularly, kids who think they're annointed or otherwise superior to the rest of the plebians, by virtue of attending a B&M law school.

Folks, lawyerin' is a good, decent profession, which is unfortunately overrun by fools and dunces. One of the (many) reasons I decided to go get my license was because, after being in business for many years, running successful businesses as well as failed businesses, and being involved in the litigation which is attendant to business...

...I realized that I had learned a great deal of the black letter law already, and by virtue of my advanced years (45 of them, count 'em), can mop up a negotiating room floor with the bones of the 30-year old Harvard JD's who have no seasoning, only attitude.

Before you discount this (you surely will try to) as the rantings of a feeble old man's mid-life crisis, remember that it was my retained attorney who spotted my potential and spent four years encouraging and nagging me to go license up. In his words,

"unless you care about being an associate at a big firm somewhere, after your first job nobody gives a cr*p about where you got your degree." Then he invited me to join him as a full partner once I license.

This is not to brag. I honestly don't "give a cr*p" about the opinions of the puppies here, or whether you believe me or want to "call BS" on me.

My point is that there are a lot of elements that go into being a successful lawyer. School is only one of them. People skills, negotiating skills, psychology, intuition, ethics, values end experience outweigh the JD every day. Those of you graduating and entering the big-firm arena - more power to ya. I'm past that stage of my life. I paid my entertainment industry dues with 100-hour weeks. Now I've got a family, and that's more important to me than anything else. I'm studying law via DL because I live 100+ miles from the nearest B&M institution, because I love the law, and because I have a gig waiting for me on the other side.

When I meet you puppies across a table or in court, you'll think you're gonna tear me limb from limb. That's fine. You're young and invincible. You're entitled to your delusions.

See you in court.

 ;D
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: pistolpete23 on January 21, 2007, 11:00:44 AM

Umm, didn't BAR/BRI have a high school kid pass the BAR under its tutelage?  Do you guys really think that socratic oriented lectures are adequately preparing you to pass the BAR?  Couldn't you just have easily acquired those same skills and understanding by reading E&E or an Emanuels?   

I think you guys are missing the point.  In fact, I think we are the ones getting ripped off by paying $140,000+.  I can assure that you many self-motivated, online goers will pass the BAR.  If I'm not mistaken, Concord had like 20-30% of its student pass the bar in California.  And these programs are still in preliminary stages. 

Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: xferlawstudent on January 21, 2007, 12:47:34 PM
Most graduates after Law School as it stands now are un-employed. 


What's your source?
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 21, 2007, 06:38:08 PM
Most graduates after Law School as it stands now are un-employed....

I am not trying to be synical but more realistic.

Unfortunately, it also appears that a good number of those matriculating at traditional B&M schools are functionally illiterate.

See you in court.

 ;D
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: rev on January 21, 2007, 06:40:56 PM
...I realized that I had learned a great deal of the black letter law already, and by virtue of my advanced years (45 of them, count 'em), can mop up a negotiating room floor with the bones of the 30-year old Harvard JD's who have no seasoning, only attitude.

When I meet you puppies across a table or in court, you'll think you're gonna tear me limb from limb. That's fine. You're young and invincible. You're entitled to your delusions.

See you in court.

 ;D


meh, i'm older than you sonny  :D

but then, i'm not arguing against the validity of DL schools because i've been around long enough to know better.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 21, 2007, 06:55:00 PM
Holy Shi'ite, a reasoned response!

And, surprise of surprises, it's from an old warhorse like me.

I'm having so much fun avoiding my studies while I watch the kidlets strut their feathers and toot their horns and generally try to rattle the cages of the codgers...

And I'll have even more fun watching their divorce rate after a couple of years of desperately trying to make partner.

Life is soooo much larger and more entertaining then they realize at their tender young age.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: jacy85 on January 21, 2007, 07:11:03 PM


And I'll have even more fun watching their divorce rate after a couple of years of desperately trying to make partner.


You seem to be no better than the "kidlets" when you run round asserting that your intelligence and experience make you so much better than everyone else.  Oh, and nice display of your own bit of stereotyping with the above quote.  Not all of us "kidlets" dream of being partner to the detriment of our relationship.  And while I'd love to go to a DL school and not go heavily into debt for my degree, I'd rather not wait 20+ years building up a nonlegal career just to make enough contacts to ensure I'd have a job when I finished.  Good for you that you can, but that option isn't available to most.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: tortfeasor111 on January 21, 2007, 07:49:17 PM
And, particularly, kids who think they're annointed or otherwise superior to the rest of the plebians, by virtue of attending a B&M law school.

Folks, lawyerin' is a good, decent profession, which is unfortunately overrun by fools and dunces. One of the (many) reasons I decided to go get my license was because, after being in business for many years, running successful businesses as well as failed businesses, and being involved in the litigation which is attendant to business...

...I realized that I had learned a great deal of the black letter law already, and by virtue of my advanced years (45 of them, count 'em), can mop up a negotiating room floor with the bones of the 30-year old Harvard JD's who have no seasoning, only attitude.

Before you discount this (you surely will try to) as the rantings of a feeble old man's mid-life crisis, remember that it was my retained attorney who spotted my potential and spent four years encouraging and nagging me to go license up. In his words,

"unless you care about being an associate at a big firm somewhere, after your first job nobody gives a cr*p about where you got your degree." Then he invited me to join him as a full partner once I license.

This is not to brag. I honestly don't "give a cr*p" about the opinions of the puppies here, or whether you believe me or want to "call BS" on me.

My point is that there are a lot of elements that go into being a successful lawyer. School is only one of them. People skills, negotiating skills, psychology, intuition, ethics, values end experience outweigh the JD every day. Those of you graduating and entering the big-firm arena - more power to ya. I'm past that stage of my life. I paid my entertainment industry dues with 100-hour weeks. Now I've got a family, and that's more important to me than anything else. I'm studying law via DL because I live 100+ miles from the nearest B&M institution, because I love the law, and because I have a gig waiting for me on the other side.

When I meet you puppies across a table or in court, you'll think you're gonna tear me limb from limb. That's fine. You're young and invincible. You're entitled to your delusions.

See you in court.

 ;D

That was a particularly nasty and uncalled for comment, and I'm not sure what attack you were responding too.  Your haughtiness tends to undermine your argument.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 21, 2007, 09:49:20 PM

You seem to be no better than the "kidlets" when you run round asserting that your intelligence and experience make you so much better than everyone else.

Where, precisely, did I assert that I was better than anyone, let alone everyone?
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 21, 2007, 09:56:08 PM

That was a particularly nasty and uncalled for comment, and I'm not sure what attack you were responding too.  Your haughtiness tends to undermine your argument.

If you'd care to quote the "particularly nasty and uncalled-for comment" you're referring to, rather than the entire post, I might be able to respond. I might also suggest you re-read the DL board more fully, and take special note of the haughty and condescending tone taken by the B&M crowd towards the DL crowd. What's sauce for the goose...

And, if you can't discern to which attack I was responding, I infer from that that there must be a decent number of attacks to which I could have responded.

 ;D
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: Advocated on January 22, 2007, 12:13:51 AM

That was a particularly nasty and uncalled for comment, and I'm not sure what attack you were responding too.  Your haughtiness tends to undermine your argument.

If you'd care to quote the "particularly nasty and uncalled-for comment" you're referring to, rather than the entire post, I might be able to respond. I might also suggest you re-read the DL board more fully, and take special note of the haughty and condescending tone taken by the B&M crowd towards the DL crowd. What's sauce for the goose...

And, if you can't discern to which attack I was responding, I infer from that that there must be a decent number of attacks to which I could have responded.

 ;D

Sir, I am led to believe that you are a bitter old man attending a third-rate institution. The other "elements" you state required to have a successful legal career are completely unfounded. When it comes to skilled professions such as law the only "element" required is a high level of intelligence. Truly talented attorneys are not overly ambitious entrepreneurs with used car salesman personalities attempting to hustle their way to a cushy six-figure income. The United States is currently saturated with toilet JDs and incompetent attorneys. The profession has developed a stigma and is stifled by the thousands of undeserving JDs who graduate each year only to work for 30k at the next garbage PI firm. In all sincerity, the sharpest, most deserving members of the legal profession are the ones who have strong academic premise, an analytical mind, a passion for law, and a decent LSAT score. Ask yourself who you would choose to be your legal counsel? A lawyer who flopped in undergrad, attended a toilet LS, and passed the bar on their 5th time? Or an undergrad student who studied hard, aced the LSAT, and attended a rigorous and highly respected LS? The ABA continues to compromise the reputation and practices of quality attorneys as it approves one joke LS after another. I genuinely hope that soon-to-be attorneys from unqualified schools (considering they pass the bar) will realize that they will never ascend beyond the bottom-feeding scum of the legal profession. I commend all of the young attorneys who did mock trial in UG, prepped for the LSAT, attended a reputable LS, earned law review or journal, graduated in the top 25%, and passed the bar on the first run.

Yes old man, we shall see you in court.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: tortfeasor111 on January 22, 2007, 01:54:00 AM

That was a particularly nasty and uncalled for comment, and I'm not sure what attack you were responding too.  Your haughtiness tends to undermine your argument.

If you'd care to quote the "particularly nasty and uncalled-for comment" you're referring to, rather than the entire post, I might be able to respond. I might also suggest you re-read the DL board more fully, and take special note of the haughty and condescending tone taken by the B&M crowd towards the DL crowd. What's sauce for the goose...

And, if you can't discern to which attack I was responding, I infer from that that there must be a decent number of attacks to which I could have responded.

 ;D

Sorry, I should have been more specific.  Many of your comments have been extremely self-indulgent, agrumentative and confrontational.  You say you have had a successful career, kids, and so on, and for this I congratulate you, but honestly what are you doing arguing with B&M attendees half your age?  Have you nothing better to do than to argue semantics or who has made more money, been more successful, etc...  It's quite pathetic actually.  Could you be devoted this time to your fmaily or your kids or your 60-100 hour/week career.  The consensus I get on this board is that a lot of people find your views irratating, so you must be saying or doing something wrong.  Also, I attend a B&M, but I also support DL schools, so I'm on your side.  Now please take the minutes or hours you would use to scrutinize every sentence of this post and make an argument regarding each and every one [of these points] just to prove to yourself what a great attorney you will make, and spend it with your family. 
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: jacy85 on January 22, 2007, 05:11:00 AM

You seem to be no better than the "kidlets" when you run round asserting that your intelligence and experience make you so much better than everyone else.

Where, precisely, did I assert that I was better than anyone, let alone everyone?

Your tone is condescending and you do little but talk about your fantastic achievements, leading one to a natural conclusion that you are attempting to assert your superiority.  That's all well and good; there's a lot of that going on here in general.  It's insulting, however, when you toot your own horn then, in your next sentence, ridicule and accuse others of doing so while concluding that we're all just out to make partner to the detriment of everything else in life.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 22, 2007, 07:35:35 AM
  Could you be devoted this time to your fmaily or your kids or your 60-100 hour/week career.  The consensus I get on this board is that a lot of people find your views irratating, so you must be saying or doing something wrong.  Also, I attend a B&M, but I also support DL schools, so I'm on your side.  Now please take the minutes or hours you would use to scrutinize every sentence of this post and make an argument regarding each and every one [of these points] just to prove to yourself what a great attorney you will make, and spend it with your family. 

Well, I'm no longer engaged in the 60-100 hr/week career, and haven't been for almost a decade. I generally wouldn't waste my time with this trifle, but I'm on the first business trip I've taken in 12 months, so I've got extra time in various hotel rooms to piddle away jousting with you folks.

So, it's fine for the B&M students to snipe in my direction all day long, but when I respond in kind it's me who's at fault. When B&M students carp on the superiority of their program, intelligence, parents, analytical abilities, personalities, etc, it's acceptable discourse, but when us lowly DL plebes dare to respond, we're stepping out of our class and upsetting our betters. Is that about it?

What I find absurdly amusing is the level of vitriol generated when someone like me proposes that the status quo may not be "all that." I'm not knocking a traditional JD. Never have, never will. But those on the traditional route are desperate to prove that a "bitter old man" can't keep up with the puppies on their own terms. To them, it's obvious that anyone not on their path has chosen poorly, with utter disregard for the consequences, and will make a terrible attorney.

That's the folly of youth, my friends. You find me irritating because I disagree with you, and do so strongly, not for any other reason. I'm challenging your sacred cows, and it peeves you. And you all want to be attorneys. Here's a hint from a "bitter old man:"

Grow a thicker skin, children. If someone as weak and pitiful as me can get under yours, you're in the wrong profession.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: jacy85 on January 22, 2007, 08:20:04 AM
We're "sniping in your direction all day long?"  Before you revived this thread, it was over 7 months old.  There has been hardly any discussion about DL schools in a long time.

And since you started stirring sh*t up, I'd say that people are not responding to your arguments as much as your insults.  For someone who says plays the martyr, you're doing a lot of immature and ridiculous name calling (kidlets, cows, etc.).

If you want people to respect you, drop the condescension, insults, and petty "I'm holier than thou" crap, and start a real discussion.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: tortfeasor111 on January 22, 2007, 08:44:59 AM
  Could you be devoted this time to your fmaily or your kids or your 60-100 hour/week career.  The consensus I get on this board is that a lot of people find your views irratating, so you must be saying or doing something wrong.  Also, I attend a B&M, but I also support DL schools, so I'm on your side.  Now please take the minutes or hours you would use to scrutinize every sentence of this post and make an argument regarding each and every one [of these points] just to prove to yourself what a great attorney you will make, and spend it with your family. 

Well, I'm no longer engaged in the 60-100 hr/week career, and haven't been for almost a decade. I generally wouldn't waste my time with this trifle, but I'm on the first business trip I've taken in 12 months, so I've got extra time in various hotel rooms to piddle away jousting with you folks.

So, it's fine for the B&M students to snipe in my direction all day long, but when I respond in kind it's me who's at fault. When B&M students carp on the superiority of their program, intelligence, parents, analytical abilities, personalities, etc, it's acceptable discourse, but when us lowly DL plebes dare to respond, we're stepping out of our class and upsetting our betters. Is that about it?

What I find absurdly amusing is the level of vitriol generated when someone like me proposes that the status quo may not be "all that." I'm not knocking a traditional JD. Never have, never will. But those on the traditional route are desperate to prove that a "bitter old man" can't keep up with the puppies on their own terms. To them, it's obvious that anyone not on their path has chosen poorly, with utter disregard for the consequences, and will make a terrible attorney.

That's the folly of youth, my friends. You find me irritating because I disagree with you, and do so strongly, not for any other reason. I'm challenging your sacred cows, and it peeves you. And you all want to be attorneys. Here's a hint from a "bitter old man:"

Grow a thicker skin, children. If someone as weak and pitiful as me can get under yours, you're in the wrong profession.

My whole point was that I agree with you, but that your attitude doesn't help your argument.  And thanks for proving my point with your lengthy response.  Again, I am awaiting a thorough analysis of this post.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 22, 2007, 04:55:30 PM
We're "sniping in your direction all day long?"  Before you revived this thread, it was over 7 months old.  There has been hardly any discussion about DL schools in a long time.

My bad. I neglected to read the dates. I was responding to the sh*tstorm from last year. Mea maxima culpa.

And since you started stirring sh*t up, I'd say that people are not responding to your arguments as much as your insults.  For someone who says plays the martyr, you're doing a lot of immature and ridiculous name calling (kidlets, cows, etc.).

I can't locate anyplace where I've played the martyr. And, as someone 'round here said recently (more or less), can't you people tell the difference between vitriolic name-calling directed at one person (bitter old man) and poking fun at a class of people (kidlets)? Sheesh.  ::)


If you want people to respect you, drop the condescension, insults, and petty "I'm holier than thou" crap, and start a real discussion.

With all due respect, I've read the old discussions:

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Really... Aren't all of you cats just wasting you f'in' times?

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The truth is internet law schools just want to take the money of the people who were not good enough to get into even the worst aba schools.

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DL students do not belong in school and should be branded on the forehead with fake law degree,

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Yes California allows you to take the bar, but they think ur dumb (rightly so)

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Take up law as a hobby, go serve on juries, watch your Law & Order re-runs.  But you have nothing valuable to add to the legal profession.


Are you willing to look me in the eye, and with a straight face assert that these are neither condescending, immature, ridiculous nor name-calling?  ;D
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: jacy85 on January 22, 2007, 06:45:36 PM
I'm not saying that every statement on these threads are mature.  I am saying, however, that no one was attacking you until you started stirring up a fight.  And I'm also saying that for someone as "mature" as you proclaim to be, your own responses leave a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 22, 2007, 08:14:23 PM
I'm not saying that every statement on these threads are mature.  I am saying, however, that no one was attacking you until you started stirring up a fight.  And I'm also saying that for someone as "mature" as you proclaim to be, your own responses leave a lot to be desired.

I never claimed to be "mature," only "seasoned." I'm probably as immature as my 9-year old, in some ways.

But - I have been around the proverbial block more than once, and occasionally I learn something while taking laps.

I probably should have gone to Cal (yes, I was admitted to Boalt, way back when), but I was too immature at the time, too undisciplined, and too interested in girls and the film business. C'est la vie. You could call that decision a mistake, or you could look at it as experience. I've seen and done a lot since then, and learned a ton about people, finance, business and more. So now I find that my other responsibilities foreclose going to a B&M School. Hell, I've gotten this far on my smile and good looks. I'll take the shot, get my "fake" DL degree, and take my chances.

Ta ta from the "bitter old man."
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: DO/JD on January 22, 2007, 10:09:17 PM

Ta ta from the "bitter old man."

Thanks for being outspoken about DL law schools  :)
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: ladyofthelaw on January 27, 2007, 08:23:17 AM
Judging by your name I am assuming you are a doctor.  How would you feel if someone did there medical studies online by a non accredited school.  That is how aba students feel about online schools. 
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: DO/JD on January 27, 2007, 12:20:36 PM
Hi


A good amount of medical education could be done on a semi-distance fashion. The other component needs to be done traditionally for obvious reasons which do not apply to lawyers. There are some physical procedures which need personal confirmation before one as a physician can feel confident to do them. The same does not apply to attorneys who learn a great amount post-law school.

Judging by your name I am assuming you are a doctor.  How would you feel if someone did there medical studies online by a non accredited school.  That is how aba students feel about online schools. 
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: duckasourus on January 27, 2007, 04:07:23 PM
I like how you assume what lawyers need without being one.  I could assume about being a doctor.  I watch er and scrubs therefore I am a doctor via distance education.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: DO/JD on January 27, 2007, 05:26:21 PM
I like how you assume what lawyers need without being one.  I could assume about being a doctor.  I watch er and scrubs therefore I am a doctor via distance education.

Perhaps you should not assume I am not also an attorney
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: duckasourus on January 27, 2007, 05:38:54 PM
i know you are not a lawyer, thats why u are on a lawschool board.  I am so a doctor now as I have seen er, so do not asume I am not a doctor, screw the ama and the aba   I am now a doctor
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: johns259 on January 27, 2007, 10:19:48 PM
i know you are not a lawyer, thats why u are on a lawschool board.  I am so a doctor now as I have seen er, so do not asume I am not a doctor, screw the ama and the aba   I am know a doctor

I like how you assume what lawyers need without being one.  I could assume about being a doctor.  I watch er and scrubs therefore I am a doctor via distance education.

I am know a doctor? Are you 5 years old? Seriously, do your parents know that you're messing around on adult message boards?
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: duckasourus on January 27, 2007, 11:13:22 PM
wow i made a typo on an internet board, i must be a non aba dl now.  No my parents do not know I am on an adult message board although your daughter does, tell her I will pick her up at 10.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: LegalLatin78 on January 28, 2007, 01:14:39 AM
Well, aparently that is nothing new for you duckasourus.  Your other posts are also garbage. 

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/students/index.php/topic,3219.60.html
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: jessicahart on January 28, 2007, 03:39:55 AM
funny thing is he will get a job and non abas will never pass bar much less get a job.  so yea he makes typos but he will be your boss lol.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: johns259 on January 28, 2007, 10:47:18 AM
wow i made a typo on an internet board, i must be a non aba dl now.  No my parents do not know I am on an adult message board although your daughter does, tell her I will pick her up at 10.

I apologize. I had you pegged all wrong; it seems you may be somewhere between the ages of 12-17, though lacking in formal education.
 
Also, based on the above post, I can assume A) you try to pick up girls on internet message boards (probably resulting from a failure to do so by more traditional means) and B) the girls you try to pick up are within the age range of those still living at home (high school and younger- so you're possibly a pedophile), or C) you're so lacking in creativity that you still use jokes from 15 years ago; AND D) you'll never make a good lawyer or law student because you make hasty and erroneous assumptions (I am a 25 yr. old full-time JD/MPH student at GW, engaged with no children).
 
In sum, I am saddened by the possibility that you might be a law student somewhere and that some poor client someday might have to rely on your advice. It wasn't just your typo, everybody has them, but it was your surprisingly ignorant reasoning combined with it. 

As far as the OP goes, I don't see purely online law schools being ABA recognized any time in the near future. However, I feel that their utility is one that shouldn't be overlooked. It is only fair that those who do not have the option of attending a traditional law school be given the opportunity to sit for the bar; if they pass, you learn most of what you know in practice on the job anyway.   
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: LegalLatin78 on January 28, 2007, 11:10:56 AM
funny thing is he will get a job and non abas will never pass bar much less get a job.  so yea he makes typos but he will be your boss lol.

I am not a DL student, or a non ABA student...  I also never stated my position on making online law schools ABA...  My sentiments are basically the same as johns259's. 
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 29, 2007, 12:00:54 PM
i know you are not a lawyer, thats why u are on a lawschool board.  I am so a doctor now as I have seen er, so do not asume I am not a doctor, screw the ama and the aba   I am now a doctor

There might be the germ of a thought in here, but the syntax is so mangled that I couldn't tease any meaning from this sentence.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: LegalLatin78 on January 29, 2007, 03:16:03 PM
i know you are not a lawyer, thats why u are on a lawschool board.  I am so a doctor now as I have seen er, so do not asume I am not a doctor, screw the ama and the aba   I am now a doctor

There might be the germ of a thought in here, but the syntax is so mangled that I couldn't tease any meaning from this sentence.

I would pay money to see duckasourus' LSAT writing sample...

Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: rev on January 29, 2007, 05:33:37 PM
i know you are not a lawyer, thats why u are on a lawschool board.  I am so a doctor now as I have seen er, so do not asume I am not a doctor, screw the ama and the aba   I am now a doctor

There might be the germ of a thought in here, but the syntax is so mangled that I couldn't tease any meaning from this sentence.

I would pay money to see duckasourus' LSAT writing sample...




not more than a dollar, i would hope.

make it 50 cents.  i suspect that duckasourus (duckasauros?) and jessicahart are one and the same.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: johns259 on January 29, 2007, 05:54:02 PM
i know you are not a lawyer, thats why u are on a lawschool board.  I am so a doctor now as I have seen er, so do not asume I am not a doctor, screw the ama and the aba   I am now a doctor

There might be the germ of a thought in here, but the syntax is so mangled that I couldn't tease any meaning from this sentence.

I would pay money to see duckasourus' LSAT writing sample...



Yeah, as soon as he actually takes the LSAT.

He's probably studying for his high school exit exam right now, either that or his parents grounded him from the computer.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 29, 2007, 06:14:55 PM
funny thing is he will get a job and non abas will never pass bar much less get a job.  so yea he makes typos but he will be your boss lol.

Um, no.

He will get a "job."

On the other hand I will pass the bar and be just fine, thanks. My gig is lined up. It's not biglaw. If I were 25 I'd be stressing about interviews and prestige and on which tier my school resides. I haven't held a "job" in 25 years.

I don't care about making partner. Don't care about impressing anyone. Already have a comfortable income and investments. This is to partner with a dear friend's firm, bring my 20 years of business and entertainment industry experience to them, and have a good time abusing illiterate ABA associates like Ducky and Jessy.
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: LegalLatin78 on January 29, 2007, 10:41:15 PM
My father had trouble passing the bar too, but it was a long walk from the mill and he was thirsty...  Couldn't resist this old joke  :D
Title: Re: making online Law schools ABA is a bad thing
Post by: lawafter40 on January 30, 2007, 08:05:15 AM
My father had trouble passing the bar too, but it was a long walk from the mill and he was thirsty...  Couldn't resist this old joke  :D

<polite golf clap>

Bravo.