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Law Students => Current Law Students => Topic started by: jeffjoe on October 16, 2004, 07:49:42 PM

Title: Barbri outlines
Post by: jeffjoe on October 16, 2004, 07:49:42 PM
So I gave up 50.00 to 'hold' the rate on the BARBRI and I got their first year review book which consists primarily of outlines.

Has anyone used these?  Do they help?

Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: zemog on October 16, 2004, 10:23:39 PM
Isn't barbri for the bar?  I thought it was kind of early since I won't be taking it for another 4 years.  And also, I might get forced out after the 1L :(, so I didn't want to waste 50 bucks.
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: IHEARTLS on October 16, 2004, 11:36:22 PM
I bought the FIRST YEAR REVIEW and UPPER LEVEL books off of ebay for $12.50 (for the set).  I've had them for about 4 weeks and after we finish a section I go back and review with the books.  I think they're great.  Enjoy!

Whit

PS: It's $175 for us to look in our rate!  NO FAIR!
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: JD_MSA on October 17, 2004, 06:31:34 AM
Isn't barbri for the bar?  I thought it was kind of early since I won't be taking it for another 4 years.  And also, I might get forced out after the 1L :(, so I didn't want to waste 50 bucks.

I am a BarBri rep at my school.  They don't pay me to come on message boards and promote their product (in fact I don't get a paycheck from them at all) and I post here a lot, so hopefully you don't think I'm blowing smoke up your asses here.  I've personally used the outlines and I think they're outstanding.  I have the Upper Level Book in front of me right now.  :)

BarBri is widely considered the best bar prep course.  Upon signing up for the course (which you take right before the bar exam), you are immediately entitled to a First Year Review book and/or and Upper Level Review book (1Ls get the First Year Review book and then claim their Upper Level Review book next year to ensure that they get the newest edition).    These books contain the outlines for Torts, Property, Contracts, Crim, Con Law, Civ Pro, Evidence, Wills, Trusts, Corporations, and Crim Pro.  They also have a ton of review questions to help you prepare for exams. 

Before you buy the books on eBay, remember (1) the books are constantly updated, so the only way to get the newest edition (remember, the law changes all the time--this is especially true with recent developments in Con Law) is to sign up for BarBri; and (2) the outlines are FREE when you sign up for BarBri (which usually requires a deposit aomewhere in the neighborhood of $50-$200, depending on your state).  Also, by signing up, you are entitled to attend the exam review sessions that BarBri holds at many schools.   

I won't go into details why BarBri is the best bar prep course, but, chances are, you will sign up for BarBri at some point in the future.  If you sign up in your first year, you lock in the current tuition rate (which has been known to rise by as much as $200/yr.) and you get the outlines for free. 
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: jeffjoe on October 17, 2004, 12:14:24 PM
I just glanced at the outlines for now.  Just not enuff time.

I noticed the criminal law outline had larceny, etc.  We are learning the consolidated theft statute, so this outline doesn't help.

But I used the contracts one to understand consideration a little better.  I'm glad to hear that others find them useful.  I won't turn my barbri first year book into a doorstop after all.
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: ruskiegirl on October 17, 2004, 02:55:48 PM
I have a BarBri bar review book (a hand-me-down) and I have found it helpful for outlining.  I take the basic outline from BarBri and fill it in with information from my casebook and class notes.  I haven't heard of the BarBri first year books before, but I will check them out. 

My only worry with using too many commercial outlines/supplements is that it tends to detract from the process of extrapolating the black letter law on your own. We have an academic support program for first years, and the tutor assigned to our mod has recommended that we start by outlining our class notes, case briefs, etc. without using commercial outlines, and then go back and fill in the gaps with supplements.  It makes sense to me, especially for students who go to schools where you aren't spoon-fed the black letter law and professors tend to "hide the ball" a little more.
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: jeffjoe on October 17, 2004, 03:17:39 PM
I have a BarBri bar review book (a hand-me-down) and I have found it helpful for outlining.  I take the basic outline from BarBri and fill it in with information from my casebook and class notes.  I haven't heard of the BarBri first year books before, but I will check them out. 

I think we may be talking about the same thing.  The book is called the First Year Review and consists primarily of outlines for first year courses with some review questions and answers.

I had planned to create my own outlines, but I barely have time to take notes and brief cases.


I should mention that our profs don't seem to be hiding anything.  Our school has a heavy tendency toward the practical over the theoretical.
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: ruskiegirl on October 17, 2004, 03:30:00 PM
I have a BarBri bar review book (a hand-me-down) and I have found it helpful for outlining.  I take the basic outline from BarBri and fill it in with information from my casebook and class notes.  I haven't heard of the BarBri first year books before, but I will check them out. 

I think we may be talking about the same thing.  The book is called the First Year Review and consists primarily of outlines for first year courses with some review questions and answers.

I had planned to create my own outlines, but I barely have time to take notes and brief cases.


I should mention that our profs don't seem to be hiding anything.  Our school has a heavy tendency toward the practical over the theoretical.
Actually, mine is the actual Bar Review book, not the first year series you are talking about.  It has very basic outlines for the major areas of law. 
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: ruskiegirl on October 17, 2004, 03:37:49 PM
It wouldn't make sense for your professors to hide the ball much.  NSL grads, as I understand it, can only practice in Tennessee, so you are probably reading many more cases from your local jurisdiction than schools that have a significant number of grads leaving the state upon graduation.  Such schools tend to teach more "theory"-- the process by which one can extract the law from the cases -- and focus less on teaching black letter law.  It wouldn't make sense for Stanford to teach predominantly California black letter law, because those grads would leave for jobs on the west coast would be completely lost.  Therefore, schools that tend to send grads to other jurisdictions for practice focus on teaching students how to figure out the law, no matter where they are.  It makes sense.  Each system serves its purpose and I wouldn't go so far as to say that one may be better than the other.
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: jeffjoe on October 17, 2004, 03:43:19 PM
You're right.  NSL prepares us to practice in Tennessee and we read many Tennessee cases.

For contracts, we use a casebook, but for torts and criminal law we read opinions.  From crimes, we read very few cases outside Tennessee.

Our profs give us enough theory for us to understand the policy behind the law and sometimes not even that.

It wouldn't make sense for your professors to hide the ball much.  NSL grads, as I understand it, can only practice in Tennessee, so you are probably reading many more cases from your local jurisdiction than schools that have a significant number of grads leaving the state upon graduation.  Such schools tend to teach more "theory"-- the process by which one can extract the law from the cases -- and focus less on teaching black letter law.  It wouldn't make sense for Stanford to teach predominantly California black letter law, because those grads would leave for jobs on the west coast would be completely lost.  Therefore, schools that tend to send grads to other jurisdictions for practice focus on teaching students how to figure out the law, no matter where they are.  It makes sense.  Each system serves its purpose and I wouldn't go so far as to say that one may be better than the other.
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: Burning Sands on October 19, 2004, 10:43:54 PM
I'm a BarBri rep at my school as well so I won't try to sell you on the Barbri stuff, but I will say that as a 1L you wanna get your hands on everything possible.  Barbri has a nice big ass book of review material that they give to the 1L's who sign up that you can use to study for all your finals.  Its been pretty helpful so far and like I said, I would recommend to any 1L to use every resource available to stay above the curve.  Why wouldn't you is the question?
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: jeffjoe on October 20, 2004, 07:58:23 AM
I was having some trouble with consideration and looked at the barbri outline for contracts.  That helped.

I'm a BarBri rep at my school as well so I won't try to sell you on the Barbri stuff, but I will say that as a 1L you wanna get your hands on everything possible.  Barbri has a nice big ass book of review material that they give to the 1L's who sign up that you can use to study for all your finals.  Its been pretty helpful so far and like I said, I would recommend to any 1L to use every resource available to stay above the curve.  Why wouldn't you is the question?
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: Dicta on October 20, 2004, 07:59:04 AM
I have the Barbri books, Emmanuel, Examples and Explanations, FlashLaw Flashcards.....
I do not know how I am possibly going to have the time to do a satisfactory review! It is hard enough just keeping up the the reading.
At our school we are not given a reading period! We go from class one week to midterm the next. Our Torts exam is December 23 and our Contracts is January 3!
YIKES!
Susan :-[
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: edythec on October 20, 2004, 11:17:24 AM
You study for contracts over Christmas break.  Hope you didn't think you were actually going to get a holiday! ::)
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: jeffjoe on October 20, 2004, 11:37:19 AM
You study for contracts over Christmas break.  Hope you didn't think you were actually going to get a holiday! ::)

I wouldn't want to prepare for torts and contracts at the same time.
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: edythec on October 20, 2004, 12:19:49 PM
You get that joy in May   ;D
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: jeffjoe on October 20, 2004, 12:56:24 PM
You get that joy in May   ;D

By then I will be a legal genius.
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: Dicta on October 20, 2004, 07:16:36 PM
I still don't understand why we can't miss one week of classes to prepare for exams. I mean, I'd be willing to go a week longer to get that study time.
Sometimes it seems like they are all just SADISTS!  :-*
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: edythec on October 21, 2004, 07:14:34 AM
My guess it they figure the hard paced craziness will cull out those who don't really want it.  I've got two mid-terms in December, back to back, not even a day in between them!  You do get a couple of weeks in May between the last class and finals.  But the bad news is you have two finals a week for two weeks in a row. 
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: Vindigo on October 27, 2004, 06:29:54 PM
Dang edythec, thats a pretty hardcore sched.! I myself begin eams On dec 7 and have my last one on the 20th, so I have at least two days in between each, and I have a few weekends as well.....
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: jeffjoe on October 27, 2004, 07:16:38 PM
I just got my barbri membership id etc in the mail today and just downloaded the study smart software.  It looks pretty.

Has anyone used it?  Opinions?
Title: Re: Barbri outlines
Post by: Dicta on October 28, 2004, 08:38:40 PM
I tried it, and it looks like only practice tests to me. Did really well on the Crimes section though.
The fact patterns are helpful for demonstration.
Susan