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Title: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: awhomer on March 28, 2005, 04:48:21 PM
Hi,

I've seen this referred to a few times.  Apparently Tulane has climbed up to # 41 in the latest "rankings."  If I check USN&WR I don't see this reflected.  Could someone please send me the source on this? 

Cheers,

Drew   
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: heyitcouldbeworse on March 28, 2005, 08:22:24 PM
I've actually heard the same thing.  I think it will be reflected when the new rankings come out in mid-April, I think right now it's just been leaked, but yeah, I have it on good authority that this is the case.......
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: awhomer on March 28, 2005, 08:30:45 PM
Thanks 'waitlisthellll,'

Mid-April as in the day after deposits are due, eh?  Go figure.  Oh well, I'm pretty much set on Tulane, but this would make the decision that much easier...

Drew   
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: heyitcouldbeworse on March 28, 2005, 08:56:33 PM
Hey Homer,
  did you go to one of the accepted days few weeks back?? I thought it was great.  I knew there was no way in hell they were staying ranked at 56, that was just a fluke yr.  I'm definitely going to Tulane now, even if I get off one of the 6 WLs I'm on.  with Tulane's jump to 41 and Emory's fall to 32, suddenly fighting to get off of Emory's WL just doesn't seem so impt...3 yrs in New Orleans at a tier one school?  One could do worse, even w. a 165.  Tulane will crack the top 30 w.in the next 4 yrs.....
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 28, 2005, 09:49:38 PM
The rankings officially come out on April 1st.  But certain Barnes and Nobles stores apparently have started to sell the rankings guides -- as of a few days ago.  So, it does appear that Tulane has been ranked 41st again.

But I don't think it's really a jump that should reflect any change at Tulane.  More correctly it could be called a correction.  Last year's ranking was, indeed, a fluke (actually, it was a product of US News's bad methodology, but whatever).
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: NolaTiger on March 29, 2005, 05:59:22 AM
They are indeed ranked #41. I purchased a copy at Barnes and Noble yesterday.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: awhomer on March 29, 2005, 09:08:26 AM
Thanks all,

Nola Tiger, would you mind sharing with me where UC Davis, UC Hastings, and Denver now stand? 

Drew
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: Mr Belding on March 29, 2005, 09:16:00 AM
Yes Tulane rules.

I am certain they are also better than UMD and the others tied with them. Especially GMU
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: NolaTiger on March 29, 2005, 09:25:35 AM
I don't have the book with me right now.  If you check in the rankings section or on XOXO you might find the info.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: Aaron37 on March 29, 2005, 08:48:10 PM
I knew there was no way in hell they were staying ranked at 56, that was just a fluke yr.

I agree.  After walking into the building, talking with the students and faculty, and sitting in on a class, I was like what the hell is going on with the rankings?  I said to myself there is no way this is the 56th best law school in the country.  I think #41 is even low.  I bet within the next 3-5 years they settle in around 30.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 29, 2005, 09:00:25 PM
I certainly agree that Tulane is better than its ranking at 56.  But I think the ranking at 41 is a correction, not a trend.  I expect it will settle in the mid to low forties in the next few years.  Why?  Because Tulane hasn't done anything to dramatically improve its ranking.  Its admissions criteria is fairly difficult, but that's nothing new.  Its faculty is good, but not amazing -- nothing's changed there.  And I've heard nothing about dramatic differences in the teaching or student experience at Tulane in the last five or six years. 

I just don't see any reason for Tulane to make the big rise that you're asserting.  Rather, I see Tulane maintaining its place in the low to mid forties, where it's been for some time.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: Aaron37 on March 29, 2005, 09:02:22 PM
Supposedly a lot of money is being pumped in by alumni.  30 may be too far of a reach, but I think the mid-30's is definitely attainable.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 29, 2005, 10:08:41 PM
Well, I suppose anything's possible.  But it can take many years for a capital campaign to have effects on a school's reputation.  And remember, Tulane might be raising money, but so are other schools -- especially top tier schools. 

Like I said, it's possible.  But I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: jessesamuel on March 30, 2005, 02:59:59 AM
Here is some relevant info from a Tulane faculty member responding to a few of my questions:

The jump back up to our normal position (late 30s, early 40s -- the prior year was an aberration for us) is due almost entirely to reducing our class size and obtaining a class with a slightly higher GPA.  So, consider yourself part of the chosen!  The curve is a "B" (3.0) curve, in exact terms, in any class with 21 or more J.D. students, the professor shall award no less than 60% and no more than 65% grades of B and above, and no more than 75% grades of B- and above.  This means essentially you must be in the top 60-65% of the class.   

As far as why Tulane "places better" in the East than the West (precisely 28% NE, 5% Midwest, 30% La., 1% international; 12% West; 24% other SE), from my own personal experience counseling students, it is a matter of choice.  Many more students want to stay here or go to NY or DC than go to California.  Those students who I have known who wanted to get back to California did.  Actually, I think 12% out West is a fairly high number.  One issue with California is that most places in California do not give job offers without bar passage and so that deters students who want more security.  I can say with a fair degree of certainty that if you maintain a 3.0 or higher, you will be able to get back to California -- it is true that it may take a bit more work on your part than students who stay in Louisiana -- you may have to reach out a bit more, but the Career Office and professors here will support you in that effort.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: MaroonOut2005 on March 30, 2005, 05:25:17 AM
Tulane is SWeet.

That is all.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: Mr Belding on March 30, 2005, 06:08:44 AM
Tulane is SWeet.

That is all.


I have a 3.65 and a 164 and got 15K. I wrote them referenced a couple acquintences and a couple lsn people who have gotton 20K with lesser numbers. They better come through! (I hope) =]
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: MaroonOut2005 on March 30, 2005, 06:19:41 AM
Tulane is SWeet.

That is all.


I have a 3.65 and a 164 and got 15K. I wrote them referenced a couple acquintences and a couple lsn people who have gotton 20K with lesser numbers. They better come through! (I hope) =]

Their scholarship policy is kinda random.  I got 20k/yr with my numbers.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: Mr Belding on March 30, 2005, 06:41:49 AM
Yeah I told them flat out that if I got 20K a year, I would enroll. If not, I have to consider cheaper options.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: Aaron12900 on March 30, 2005, 07:34:14 AM
Hey does anyone know if negotiations with Tulane have actually worked for increasing their scholarship?
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: Mr Belding on March 30, 2005, 07:35:45 AM
I'm i nthe middle of negotiations right now--I'll let ou know how it goes!
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: Aaron12900 on March 30, 2005, 07:40:11 AM
Thanks- I got 12.5 K but I can allow myself to be a little greedy ;-)
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: dynamic323 on March 30, 2005, 08:03:30 AM
This is great news, and I got into Tulane a few weeks ago and will be going!!! I consider myself real lucky,  ESP with this new ranking, to have gotten in and I'm psyched!  Great news...  :) ;D
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: Aaron37 on March 30, 2005, 08:22:53 AM
Congrats Dynamic!  Everybody I have talked to about Tulane is really psyched to be going there.  Even though it may be ranked lower than some comparable universities, it doesn't feel like it was a "fall back" school for many of the current and admitted students.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: katinaishot on April 19, 2005, 11:52:00 PM
um...a 15 point jump just shows how stupid some of the rankings are...PS- take a look at the EQR and Gourman Report etc...It's really stupid that everyone is so rankings obsessed...have you ever looked at the avg LSATs and GPAs of schools and tried to rank them that way? If so, Tulane would be way lower than 41...sorry to burst everyone's bubble but Im sick of the Tulane take-over on this website
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: Aaron12900 on April 20, 2005, 06:58:16 AM
actaully according to most of the other law school rankings Tulne consistently ranks roughly 35 so do your research first... http://www.lawschool100.com/ (the second most popular rankings)
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: philibusters on April 20, 2005, 08:45:45 AM
I can't find the lawschool 100 ranking system anywhere on the site, but the top of the site says "Based on Qualitative, Rather Than Quantitative, Criteria" which seems to strongly indiciate that its def. not based on gpa's and lsat's ranges which was Katinaishot's point I think. 
I think rankings are important in that they allow us to compare schools, but they matter most when choosing your school.  USNEWS is all over the place in their rankings, so its futile to predict which schools will go up and which schools will go down.  Everybody thinks there schools will go up, but alumni could donate less than expected or a rival could increase their library size or a tricky rival dean intentionally ranks your law school lower to hurt you and a couple schools pass your school.  On the flip side, your alumni give more than expected, your schools adds a new building and thousands of volumes to their library or you dean intentionally ranks rivals schools lower and you move up a few spots. Either one is just as likely as the other.
Finally it annoyed me that somebody said Tulane is definitely better than Maryland.  Based on what?  I have a 3.32 and a 166 and I am on hold at Maryland.  The two schools have rougly equal admittance policies and field about the same type students numberwise.  Tulane is a southern private school who focuses on atmosphere.  Maryland is a public school that focuses on diversity, look at maryland's website and see how many woman professors they have, how many minorities.  They stress something different than Tulane, not better or worse.
Its good to see people are excited about Tulane though--thats a very good sign for the school.
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: RobinHood on April 20, 2005, 08:59:45 AM
That's a cheap shot--unwarranted, especially like three weeks after the fact. If you're aggravated that people are fired up about Tulane, do you think your post's going to shut them up? Nothing personal--just seems like flawed logic--plus you don't have to read these posts if you don't want to....


um...a 15 point jump just shows how stupid some of the rankings are...PS- take a look at the EQR and Gourman Report etc...It's really stupid that everyone is so rankings obsessed...have you ever looked at the avg LSATs and GPAs of schools and tried to rank them that way? If so, Tulane would be way lower than 41...sorry to burst everyone's bubble but Im sick of the Tulane take-over on this website
Title: Re: Tulane's Recent Jump in Rankings
Post by: katinaishot on April 22, 2005, 09:11:36 AM
Dude, Im glad for you and for everyone else at Tulane...As I said, I PERSONALLY was seriously considering going there...like VERY MUCH SO...However, anyone with half of a brain that looks at this website will notice that there is a hell of a lot of dominance by Tulane students writing about their school and so, therefore, I think perhaps it is in the interest of diversity and whatnot to point out that Tulane is great but not necesarilly fabulous for everyone...Im not trying to make you not be proud about Tulane, Im trying to let potential law students see that it's not the only option...i mean, it's really odd how many people have been writing about Tulane...this must be a really pop website for their students...