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Title: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: frostm3 on March 26, 2005, 01:33:36 PM
From XOXO. Now edited with 1-100. This is the real deal, confirmed by multiple sources, including yours truly. Most Barnes & Nobles have them on the newstand already (under the Business section, with gold cover). See below for a link to a scan of the partial listing.

1. Yale


2. Harvard


3. Stanford


4. Columbia


5. NYU


6. Chicago


7. Penn


8. Michigan, UVA


10. Northwestern


11. Boalt, Cornell, Duke


14. GULC


15. UCLA, Texas


17. Vandy


18. USC


19. Minnesota


20. BU, GW


22. Iowa, W&L


24. ND, WUSTL


26. UIUC


27. BC, W&M, Fordham, UNC, U Wash


32. Emory, UC Davis, Wisconsin


35. BYU


36. Indiana, UGA, Wake Forest


39. OSU, Hastings


41. George Mason, Tulane, Alabama, Arizona, Florida, UMD


47. American


48. Colorado


49. Case Western, U Conn, Utah


52 Baylor, SMU, Pitt, U Tenn Knoxville



56. FSU, U Kentucky



58. ASU, Brooklyn, Cardozo, Loyola LA, U Cincinnati



63. USD, Villanova



65. Chicago-Kent, Rutgers Camden, Temple, Houston



69. Loyola Chicago, Missouri, New Mexico, Oregon



73. Rutgers Newark, St. Louis, Miami, Richmond



77. Lewis & Clark, Pepperdine, St John's, SUNY Buffalo, Nebraska, Oklahoma



83. Seton Hall, Hawaii



85. Catholic, GA State, Northeastern, Louisville, U Miss



90. LSU, Penn State, UNLV, U of SC, U Pacific (McGeorge)



95. Hofstra, Indiana (Indianapolis), SEattle, Syracuse, Denver



100. Marquette, Mercer, Kansas


Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: youranidiot on March 26, 2005, 01:41:36 PM
The missing # 26 is Illinois.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Comm-Law on March 26, 2005, 01:46:26 PM
Any idea where Catholic and Toledo fell?
Did DePaul or MSU pull themselves into T2?

Thanks,
Comm-Law
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: sparkle on March 26, 2005, 01:49:27 PM
Anybody know where SLU falls.  I've heard T2 (86 maybe)??
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: moo cow on March 26, 2005, 02:02:03 PM
has anybody seen us news yet or does this list assume that the xoxo post is true?  the rankings seem legit, but there have been so many fake posts about this before i hesitate to believe them...

but if they are true, i'm pissed that WUSTL went down  :-\
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: scc on March 26, 2005, 02:06:09 PM
Someone took a pic...looks legit

http://img67.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img67&image=2006rank9vm.jpg
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: moo cow on March 26, 2005, 02:13:52 PM
hk04, thank you for the picture.  i officially believe the new rankings, although i can't say that i'm happy about them!
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Franz on March 26, 2005, 02:14:43 PM
thank god baylor is out of tier 1.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: applying06 on March 26, 2005, 02:19:26 PM
Can someone who has the full 2005 ranking tell me the overall score for Duke, Cornell, Boalt and Georgetown please?
This will help me see how they have moved - who has gone up and who down.
thanks!
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: frostm3 on March 26, 2005, 02:20:51 PM
The overall scores for those are posted in the picture link above.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Eegahh on March 26, 2005, 02:24:47 PM
Well, I do hope this is true, since I'm in all likelihood going to take the money and run at Case.  Woohoo, T1...barely!
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: applying06 on March 26, 2005, 02:26:02 PM
They are posted for 2006 - I'd like to see the 2005 figures to compare. Thanks.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Eegahh on March 26, 2005, 02:28:13 PM
Just go to the US News and World Report website to see the 2005 listings.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Trel on March 26, 2005, 02:31:06 PM
I wonder what caused emory to drop 9 spots.  That's HUGE.  BU also made a nice jump to hit the top 20.  I've been pretty skeptical about these posts but with the picture I'm going to believe them.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: applying06 on March 26, 2005, 02:31:53 PM
I'm sorry to be a nuisance: I don't want the rank order, I want the overall score (out of one hundred, I think) for 2005, which you have to be a member to see. Since these figures have expired and I know ppl on here have access to them, I was hoping someone would post them for me. thanks.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mschuell on March 26, 2005, 02:37:50 PM
Man, I hope the 50-100 are  given out soon...Wonder where Temple, Rutgers, and Seton Hall fell this year.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: frostm3 on March 26, 2005, 02:38:00 PM
It's good to see Tulane back in Tier 1. I think they made the biggest jump this year.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mschuell on March 26, 2005, 03:06:35 PM
Someone else posted the rankings for Temple, Rutgers-Newark, and Seton hall:


Temple: T65


R-N: T73


Seton Hall: T83

Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Xony on March 26, 2005, 03:09:35 PM
please ask abt Cardozo someone.  thanks
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: youranidiot on March 26, 2005, 03:11:37 PM
please ask abt Cardozo someone.  thanks

Why don't you just read the damn xoxo thread...it's mentioned.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mschuell on March 26, 2005, 03:12:49 PM
please ask abt Cardozo someone.  thanks

Cardozo and Brooklyn tied at 58.

Pretty interesting.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Xony on March 26, 2005, 03:15:54 PM
oh man.  this is terrible!!!!!!  Cardozo dropped 4 spots.  aaaah
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: youranidiot on March 26, 2005, 03:18:10 PM
oh man.  this is terrible!!!!!!  Cardozo dropped 4 spots.  aaaah

Are you really dumb enough to think that matters?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: michaelduke on March 26, 2005, 03:20:19 PM
oh man.  this is terrible!!!!!!  Cardozo dropped 4 spots.  aaaah

What about St. John's and Catholic?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: towanda03 on March 26, 2005, 03:20:52 PM
I sure hope that it's true.  Yes!! PENN!! (not that I don't love the Michigan trolls on this site)   ;)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mschuell on March 26, 2005, 03:23:27 PM
These rankings just show me how much of  a crapshoot it is once you get out of the top 40- I think its safe to say that Tier 2 schools are roughly the same and any year to year movement cannot be taken as a trend.


Just one quick example- I am deciding between Temple and Seton Hall (with 24K) and last year the difference was 30 spots- 59-89.   That seems pretty significant.

This year..its 65-83..which looks a lot closer.

But did anything really change in the schools?  Of course not.


And regarding Cardozo- it will be interesting to see if people change their tune about Brooklyn being clearly behind them now that  they are tied.

Again, these rankings are fun but to me all this fluctuation in the second tier proves most of the schools are very similiar.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mschuell on March 26, 2005, 03:25:32 PM
oh man.  this is terrible!!!!!!  Cardozo dropped 4 spots.  aaaah

What about St. John's and Catholic?


I believe St. Johns was 77, Catholic 85.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Franz on March 26, 2005, 03:27:07 PM
I sure hope that it's true.  Yes!! PENN!! (not that I don't love the Michigan trolls on this site)   ;)


yes, i am definitely going to pick Penn over Michigan now. i mean 7 is like totally better than 8! deposit goes out monday!
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: michaelduke on March 26, 2005, 03:30:00 PM
oh man.  this is terrible!!!!!!  Cardozo dropped 4 spots.  aaaah

It is only a magazine ranking.  

That said, I guess US News agrees with what I have said here for a long time now, there is really no meaningful difference between BLS and Cardozo.  You will be fine at either one.  

And it will take a long time before Cardozo can realize its dreams of rivaling Fordham.  
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: frostm3 on March 26, 2005, 03:34:19 PM
I just visited my local B&N and saw the ranking in person. I didn't buy a copy though ($10!) so I won't be able to post the rest of the ranking.

DePaul did not make Tier 2. Surprisingly, Penn State did!

The employment numbers @ grad for BC was pretty depressing (~77%) vs BU's 89.3%.

Cardozo and Brooklyn tied, as mentioned above. Cardozo's IP rank went up to 5. GW's IP rank went down to 3 (Stanford is now 2). Not that the specialty rankings really matter much.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: towanda03 on March 26, 2005, 03:35:40 PM
I sure hope that it's true.  Yes!! PENN!! (not that I don't love the Michigan trolls on this site)   ;)


yes, i am definitely going to pick Penn over Michigan now. i mean 7 is like totally better than 8! deposit goes out monday!

LOL.  I'm allowed my loyalty, and since Mich has yet to do anything with my file...  ;)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: tstein on March 26, 2005, 04:13:47 PM
Please list 50-100.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Kramerica Industries on March 26, 2005, 04:31:30 PM
Please list 50-100.

Ditto - would really like to know about Richmond and Miami.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mschuell on March 26, 2005, 04:40:59 PM
Please list 50-100.

Ditto - would really like to know about Richmond and Miami.

Miami is 73.

No one has posted the entire 50-100
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: MADZINGER on March 26, 2005, 05:08:07 PM
anyone know what happend to Loyola Los Angeles?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: youranidiot on March 26, 2005, 05:09:40 PM
anyone know what happend to Loyola Los Angeles?

Are you people seriously so afraid of xoxo that you won't even go over there and read one f-ing thread?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: InVinoVeritas on March 26, 2005, 05:10:23 PM
here's the 50-100 for you guys, courtesy of xoxo:

52 Baylor, SMU, Pitt, U Tenn Knoxville

56. FSU, U Kentucky

58. ASU, Brooklyn, Cardozo, Loyola LA, U Cincinnati

63. USD, Villanova

65. Chicago-Kent, Rutgers Camden, Temple, Houston

69. Loyola Chicago, Missouri, New Mexico, Oregon

73. Rutgers Newark, St. Louis, Miami, Richmond

77. Lewis & Clark, Pepperdine, St John's, SUNY Buffalo, Nebraska, Oklahoma

83. Seton Hall, Hawaii

85. Catholic, GA State, Northeastern, Louisville, U Miss

90. LSU, Penn State, UNLV, U of SC, U Pacific (McGeorge)

95. Hofstra, Indiana (Indianapolis), SEattle, Syracuse, Denver

100. Marquette, Mercer, Kansas
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: MADZINGER on March 26, 2005, 05:22:37 PM
here's the 50-100 for you guys, courtesy of xoxo:

52 Baylor, SMU, Pitt, U Tenn Knoxville

56. FSU, U Kentucky

58. ASU, Brooklyn, Cardozo, Loyola LA, U Cincinnati

63. USD, Villanova

65. Chicago-Kent, Rutgers Camden, Temple, Houston

69. Loyola Chicago, Missouri, New Mexico, Oregon

73. Rutgers Newark, St. Louis, Miami, Richmond

77. Lewis & Clark, Pepperdine, St John's, SUNY Buffalo, Nebraska, Oklahoma

83. Seton Hall, Hawaii

85. Catholic, GA State, Northeastern, Louisville, U Miss

90. LSU, Penn State, UNLV, U of SC, U Pacific (McGeorge)

95. Hofstra, Indiana (Indianapolis), SEattle, Syracuse, Denver

100. Marquette, Mercer, Kansas

okay im retarded so i need quidance, does this mean loyola LA is 61? if not then where is 59-62?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: InVinoVeritas on March 26, 2005, 05:26:51 PM
no, it means loyola is tied for 58.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: youranidiot on March 26, 2005, 05:32:05 PM
here's the 50-100 for you guys, courtesy of xoxo:

52 Baylor, SMU, Pitt, U Tenn Knoxville

56. FSU, U Kentucky

58. ASU, Brooklyn, Cardozo, Loyola LA, U Cincinnati

63. USD, Villanova

65. Chicago-Kent, Rutgers Camden, Temple, Houston

69. Loyola Chicago, Missouri, New Mexico, Oregon

73. Rutgers Newark, St. Louis, Miami, Richmond

77. Lewis & Clark, Pepperdine, St John's, SUNY Buffalo, Nebraska, Oklahoma

83. Seton Hall, Hawaii

85. Catholic, GA State, Northeastern, Louisville, U Miss

90. LSU, Penn State, UNLV, U of SC, U Pacific (McGeorge)

95. Hofstra, Indiana (Indianapolis), SEattle, Syracuse, Denver

100. Marquette, Mercer, Kansas

okay im retarded so i need quidance, does this mean loyola LA is 61? if not then where is 59-62?

Yes indeed, you are retarded.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: MADZINGER on March 26, 2005, 05:34:35 PM
here's the 50-100 for you guys, courtesy of xoxo:

52 Baylor, SMU, Pitt, U Tenn Knoxville

56. FSU, U Kentucky

58. ASU, Brooklyn, Cardozo, Loyola LA, U Cincinnati

63. USD, Villanova

65. Chicago-Kent, Rutgers Camden, Temple, Houston

69. Loyola Chicago, Missouri, New Mexico, Oregon

73. Rutgers Newark, St. Louis, Miami, Richmond

77. Lewis & Clark, Pepperdine, St John's, SUNY Buffalo, Nebraska, Oklahoma

83. Seton Hall, Hawaii

85. Catholic, GA State, Northeastern, Louisville, U Miss

90. LSU, Penn State, UNLV, U of SC, U Pacific (McGeorge)

95. Hofstra, Indiana (Indianapolis), SEattle, Syracuse, Denver

100. Marquette, Mercer, Kansas

okay im retarded so i need quidance, does this mean loyola LA is 61? if not then where is 59-62?

Yes indeed, you are retarded.

ahhh...thank you, your so sweet....smart ass, go get a date and take that broom out of your ass
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ScurvyWench on March 26, 2005, 05:40:26 PM
Wow, makes me want to re-consider my CA schools . . . if only they gave me more $$$.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: soupnazi on March 26, 2005, 05:43:52 PM
big jump for McGeorge, T3 to 90.  I was more than willing to go there when it was ranked T3, however they waitlisted me.  I'm guessing this isn't going to help my chances of getting off the WL.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ScurvyWench on March 26, 2005, 05:47:14 PM
What's the likelihood of a school ranked 70ish now getting pushed out of T2 and in to T3 within the next 3-5 years? With leaps like Pepperdine and McGeorge, someone's bound to be pushed out.

Who dropped from T2 to make room for McGeorge, anyone know?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mschuell on March 26, 2005, 05:52:40 PM
Wow, makes me want to re-consider my CA schools . . . if only they gave me more $$$.


Are you really going to reconsider your schools based on these rankings?  Do you really think the schools you are looking at changed that much in a year?  I understand these are influentual, but I wouldn't let today's rankings change your mind if you have already decided on a school.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Franz on March 26, 2005, 05:54:26 PM
Wow, makes me want to re-consider my CA schools . . . if only they gave me more $$$.


Are you really going to reconsider your schools based on these rankings?  Do you really think the schools you are looking at changed that much in a year?  I understand these are influentual, but I wouldn't let today's rankings change your mind if you have already decided on a school.


maybe she shouldnt have decided 6 years before deposits were due and all decisions were in.  just a thought.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: J28calblue on March 26, 2005, 05:58:59 PM
what Happened to Santa Clara and the USF (University of San Francisco) did they both become T3's??
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: soupnazi on March 26, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
what Happened to Santa Clara and the USF (University of San Francisco) did they both become T3's??

looks like it.  they were both at 94, so I guess they fell 6+ spots.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: J28calblue on March 26, 2005, 06:02:16 PM
yeah like bottom 90's 98 or 99 spot I think
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ScurvyWench on March 26, 2005, 06:02:31 PM
Wow, makes me want to re-consider my CA schools . . . if only they gave me more $$$.


Are you really going to reconsider your schools based on these rankings?  Do you really think the schools you are looking at changed that much in a year?  I understand these are influentual, but I wouldn't let today's rankings change your mind if you have already decided on a school.


maybe she shouldnt have decided 6 years before deposits were due and all decisions were in.  just a thought.

My decision affects other people than just me. I cannot expect my husband to give little notice and still have his job. Not everyone is a lone wolf in this process.

Wow, makes me want to re-consider my CA schools . . . if only they gave me more $$$.


Are you really going to reconsider your schools based on these rankings? Do you really think the schools you are looking at changed that much in a year? I understand these are influentual, but I wouldn't let today's rankings change your mind if you have already decided on a school.

Well, at first I really didn't want to leave CA and if Pepperdine is actually showing an upward trend at this rate, it might be a good idea to stay. When they were 99, you never knew if they were going to drop off into T3. A 40 place difference between 2 schools (UHLC v. Pepperdine) is a hell-of-a-lot more significant than 12 places. It's enough to give pause when the 2 schools you're really considering are heading in different directions (according to USNews).
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mschuell on March 26, 2005, 06:07:10 PM

Quote

Well, at first I really didn't want to leave CA and if Pepperdine is actually showing an upward trend at this rate, it might be a good idea to stay. When they were 99, you never knew if they were going to drop off into T3. A 40 place difference between 2 schools (UHLC v. Pepperdine) is a hell-of-a-lot more significant than 12 places. It's enough to give pause when the 2 schools you're really considering are heading in different directions (according to USNews).
Quote


Fair enough, and I see where you are coming from..it just seems to me that these rankings are so damn volatile that there is a danger in assuming a upward or downward trend from a year or so.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: grkdud on March 26, 2005, 06:08:21 PM
I thought Santa Clara was U of SC?  What does U of SC stand for?

what Happened to Santa Clara and the USF (University of San Francisco) did they both become T3's??
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Franz on March 26, 2005, 06:08:36 PM
Wow, makes me want to re-consider my CA schools . . . if only they gave me more $$$.


Are you really going to reconsider your schools based on these rankings?  Do you really think the schools you are looking at changed that much in a year?  I understand these are influentual, but I wouldn't let today's rankings change your mind if you have already decided on a school.


maybe she shouldnt have decided 6 years before deposits were due and all decisions were in.  just a thought.

My decision affects other people than just me. I cannot expect my husband to give little notice and still have his job. Not everyone is a lone wolf in this process.

Wow, makes me want to re-consider my CA schools . . . if only they gave me more $$$.


Are you really going to reconsider your schools based on these rankings? Do you really think the schools you are looking at changed that much in a year? I understand these are influentual, but I wouldn't let today's rankings change your mind if you have already decided on a school.

Well, at first I really didn't want to leave CA and if Pepperdine is actually showing an upward trend at this rate, it might be a good idea to stay. When they were 99, you never knew if they were going to drop off into T3. A 40 place difference between 2 schools (UHLC v. Pepperdine) is a hell-of-a-lot more significant than 12 places. It's enough to give pause when the 2 schools you're really considering are heading in different directions (according to USNews).

nah, he could give notice either way.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: soupnazi on March 26, 2005, 06:11:02 PM
I thought Santa Clara was U of SC?  What does U of SC stand for?

what Happened to Santa Clara and the USF (University of San Francisco) did they both become T3's??

South Carolina

HTH
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ScurvyWench on March 26, 2005, 06:13:48 PM

41. George Mason, Tulane, Alabama, Arizona, Florida, UMD


Guess George Mason can no longer boast about being the fastest rising LS in America . . . it bugged me how they printed that over and over again in their literature.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 26, 2005, 06:18:17 PM
If the 50-100 rankings are true, I'm surprised that Temple and Cardozo fell.  Even though Pitt fell, it's still 13 places ahead of Temple... huh.  

Random
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: HippieLawChick on March 26, 2005, 06:55:19 PM
Case moved up too.  Good for them!

Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Comm-Law on March 26, 2005, 06:59:36 PM
SH*T....Looks like Toledo fell back to TTT.  They managed to go from fourth tier to a 90-something spot in the 2005 rankings... now they appear to have fallen-from-grace.

- Comm-Law
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Name Changing Queen on March 26, 2005, 07:02:39 PM
SH*T....Looks like Toledo fell back to third tier toilet.  They managed to go from fourth tier to a 90-something spot in the 2005 rankings... now they appear to have fallen-from-grace.

- Comm-Law


They went from tier 4 to 9os in a year?? And then fell back to Tier 2? What is going on over there?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: adverseeffect on March 26, 2005, 07:11:46 PM
I sure hope that it's true.  Yes!! PENN!! (not that I don't love the Michigan trolls on this site)   ;)

what? did someone say my name?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: towanda03 on March 26, 2005, 07:19:16 PM
I sure hope that it's true.  Yes!! PENN!! (not that I don't love the Michigan trolls on this site)   ;)

what? did someone say my name?

No dear, that was all you...  ;D
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: adverseeffect on March 26, 2005, 07:22:08 PM
I sure hope that it's true.  Yes!! PENN!! (not that I don't love the Michigan trolls on this site)   ;)

what? did someone say my name?

No dear, that was all you...  ;D

dang, i was sure there was some love between us. 

fwiw, i'm glad boalt moved back up.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: towanda03 on March 26, 2005, 07:25:29 PM
I sure hope that it's true.  Yes!! PENN!! (not that I don't love the Michigan trolls on this site)   ;)

what? did someone say my name?

No dear, that was all you...  ;D

dang, i was sure there was some love between us. 

fwiw, i'm glad boalt moved back up.

LOL.   ;)  Do you really think that it'll keep Boalt from being ragged on?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ZildjianKX on March 26, 2005, 07:38:14 PM
Wow, SCU and USF really got dropped?

Think I'm going to cry.  I really can't believe Pepperdine went up 20 spots...
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ronin3782 on March 26, 2005, 07:43:38 PM
Looks like Tulane went back to Tier 1
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mxpocc on March 26, 2005, 07:55:43 PM
I wonder what caused emory to drop 9 spots.  That's HUGE.  BU also made a nice jump to hit the top 20.  I've been pretty skeptical about these posts but with the picture I'm going to believe them.

I guess the south isn't on the rise.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Comm-Law on March 26, 2005, 07:57:38 PM
They went from tier 4 to 9os in a year?? And then fell back to Tier 2? What is going on over there?

Actually, I think they (Toledo) said it took 4 years to rise from tier-4 to tier-2.  It's just disappointing to see them slide backward.

- Comm-Law
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Fred Hits on March 26, 2005, 08:00:09 PM
its interesting to see traditionally good schools rise back up (iowa, wl, uwash) while numbers game schools (washu, mason, and to some extent nd) drop a bit- bu also is a big shocker, good for them
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: youranidiot on March 26, 2005, 08:03:07 PM
its interesting to see traditionally good schools rise back up (iowa, wl, uwash) while numbers game schools (washu, mason, and to some extent nd) drop a bit- bu also is a big shocker, good for them

Why didn't you apply to BU?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Name Changing Queen on March 26, 2005, 08:07:00 PM
They went from tier 4 to 9os in a year?? And then fell back to Tier 2? What is going on over there?

Actually, I think they (Toledo) said it took 4 years to rise from tier-4 to tier-2.  It's just disappointing to see them slide backward.

- Comm-Law


Sometimes I think it is too bad they don't individually rate tier 3.  The way things are, it's like if you slide from 97 to 101, you're lost major footing, and entered the abyss of tier 3, where you are indistinguishable from so many schools, but it you slide 91-97, who really cares.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Fred Hits on March 26, 2005, 08:14:45 PM
i didnt apply to bu becuz they seemed more lsat based then bc and when visiting i didnt really like bu but i relaly liked bc- i figured if i got into bu id get into bc and id rather go to bc
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Guy Incognito on March 26, 2005, 08:40:43 PM
UGA and Emory both take a pretty big fall (relatively).  Why the Georgia hate?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: stateofbeasley on March 26, 2005, 08:47:34 PM
For exactly that reason I'm calling bull on those rankings. I find it very difficult to believe that Villanova ranks ahead of Temple. Both schools have roughly equivalent "reputation," but Temple's LSAT and GPA medians are higher, Temple has better bar passage rates, and Temple has spent a hell of a lot of money over the past few years (per capita spending way up) in faculty hires and facilities improvements.

Villanova's only advantage over Temple, as far as I can tell, is that it's located in a very scenic, wealthy, and safe community, while Temple is, to put it mildly, in a tough part of town.

If the 50-100 rankings are true, I'm surprised that Temple and Cardozo fell.  Even though Pitt fell, it's still 13 places ahead of Temple... huh. 

Random
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Fred Hits on March 26, 2005, 08:51:29 PM
id call bull too but it would take some clever ass photo shop to get that photo to look that way


of course it could be the 50+ ranking sare fake
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mschuell on March 26, 2005, 08:52:30 PM
For exactly that reason I'm calling bull on those rankings. I find it very difficult to believe that Villanova ranks ahead of Temple. Both schools have roughly equivalent "reputation," but Temple's LSAT and GPA medians are higher, Temple has better bar passage rates, and Temple has spent a hell of a lot of money over the past few years (per capita spending way up) in faculty hires and facilities improvements.

Villanova's only advantage over Temple, as far as I can tell, is that it's located in a very scenic, wealthy, and safe community, while Temple is, to put it mildly, in a tough part of town.

If the 50-100 rankings are true, I'm surprised that Temple and Cardozo fell.  Even though Pitt fell, it's still 13 places ahead of Temple... huh. 

Random


Apparently Temple's reputation scores were a 2.6/2.9 this year..I don't know what they were in 05, but in 04 they were 2.6/3.1.  Maybe that had something to do with it.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 26, 2005, 08:57:48 PM
Yea, I mean it's possible.  You all are pretending like US News has a good methodology here. 

Still -- it seems curious.  We shall see for sure in five days.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Happy_Weasel on March 26, 2005, 09:11:28 PM
What about Stetson,FP,Duqesne,Vermont and Loyola NO? Are they still Tier 3.

My list changes to 4 T2 Reaces,4 T3 Targets and my home T4 safety.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: shortckt on March 26, 2005, 09:16:19 PM
Yea, I mean it's possible.  You all are pretending like US News has a good methodology here. 

Still -- it seems curious.  We shall see for sure in five days.

I've confirmed the ranking tonight at the local Barnes & Noble.
The magazine is indeed gold in color and costs freaking $9.95!
The rankings listed in the thread is true.

Villanova is ahead of Temple, but the score difference is only 1 (45 vs. 44).
In fact, the score difference is tiny from #49 - #100 (49 - 36).
This is why the schools can jump up and down the list after tier 1.

Santa Clara and USF have both dropped to tier 3, which is too bad.

Stetson,FP,Duqesne,Vermont and Loyola NO are all tier 3.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Matokah on March 26, 2005, 09:22:41 PM
I don't suppose anyone would be willing to post a full list of the third and fourth tiers?  I'm curious about a couple of the schools I applied to in those tiers.

Good to see UoP-McGeorge in the second tier, though.  Everyone was so lovely and nice when I visited a few weeks back, so I'm now kind of partial to them.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: stateofbeasley on March 26, 2005, 09:37:59 PM
Interesting. Where did you read this? I was under the impression that reputation scores didn't change much from year to year. If anything, our reputation should have gone up. The school has improved a lot in the past few years.

I'm sure Rutgers Camden alums are conspiring against us by giving us low assesements ;) Our friends accross the river are quite the sneaky fellows ;)

Apparently Temple's reputation scores were a 2.6/2.9 this year..I don't know what they were in 05, but in 04 they were 2.6/3.1.  Maybe that had something to do with it.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Franz on March 26, 2005, 09:42:07 PM
Interesting. Where did you read this? I was under the impression that reputation scores didn't change much from year to year. If anything, our reputation should have gone up. The school has improved a lot in the past few years.

I'm sure Rutgers Camden alums are conspiring against us by giving us low assesements ;) Our friends accross the river are quite the sneaky fellows ;)

Apparently Temple's reputation scores were a 2.6/2.9 this year..I don't know what they were in 05, but in 04 they were 2.6/3.1.  Maybe that had something to do with it.

are you the resident temple troll? those punks wouldnt pay to fly me out. bah.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 26, 2005, 09:42:53 PM
Well, I'm not sure the scores do change all that much.  Like one of the other posters said, the difference in raw score is quite small.  

Even the difference between "tier 1" and "tier 2" isn't significant (one point, of course).

By the way, I'd be careful about listing all the tier three and four... it seems like it borders on a copyright infringement.  And for people who are planning on going to law school, I think we should respect that.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: stateofbeasley on March 26, 2005, 10:03:15 PM
Yes. I frequently bash on Villanova (a dungeon in the middle of paradise) and Rutgers Camden (and you thought North Philly was a tough town...). Penn State is another one of my targets, since they seem h3ll bent on completely gutting Dickinson while telling everyone else otherwise.

I'll even make fun of my own school. You know you go to Penn when you got mugged four times in the past year. You know you go to Temple when you got mugged four times in the past month! ;D I've got a few other jokes to tell, but the faculty that run Trial Team would be really unhappy with me if I told them.

are you the resident temple troll? those punks wouldnt pay to fly me out. bah.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AllisonAzee on March 26, 2005, 10:40:27 PM
Wow I went and visited Pepperdine today and it was freakin gorgeous and now I come home and they've jumped in teh rankings, maybe the gods are telling me something.  They're giving me $ and they're in Malibu, hmmm
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Franz on March 26, 2005, 10:50:11 PM
Wow I went and visited Pepperdine today and it was freakin gorgeous and now I come home and they've jumped in teh rankings, maybe the gods are telling me something.  They're giving me $ and they're in Malibu, hmmm


oh great, another damn malibu barbie wannabe up in here.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Hotel Yorba on March 26, 2005, 10:57:56 PM
I feel so damned good knowing I will be attending a tier 2 school. Hell-yeah, I knew the merger was a double bonus. Beasly, I don't want to hear any of your BS, I know you go to Temple and love to bash other PA schools. Next year Penn St. will be in the 70's, and I will be working in Harrisburg for the summer. I would like to see what happened to the other schools I applied to though - T3's. I especially like how Mercer WL me and fell below Penn St. - serves them right.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 26, 2005, 11:18:48 PM
Wow I went and visited Pepperdine today and it was freakin gorgeous and now I come home and they've jumped in teh rankings, maybe the gods are telling me something.  They're giving me $ and they're in Malibu, hmmm

Well, at least you're into God.  That'll be useful at Pepperdine.

Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: bobo21 on March 27, 2005, 12:03:34 AM
Wow I went and visited Pepperdine today and it was freakin gorgeous and now I come home and they've jumped in teh rankings, maybe the gods are telling me something.  They're giving me $ and they're in Malibu, hmmm

Well, at least you're into God.  That'll be useful at Pepperdine.



She said gods, lower case and plural.  I think Pepperdine is into God.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ZildjianKX on March 27, 2005, 12:04:20 AM
Wow I went and visited Pepperdine today and it was freakin gorgeous and now I come home and they've jumped in teh rankings, maybe the gods are telling me something.  They're giving me $ and they're in Malibu, hmmm

Well, at least you're into God.  That'll be useful at Pepperdine.



Yeah, no kidding.  I just mailed my Pepperdine waistlist in today, I have no regrets even though I now technically will be going to a TTT (SCU).
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Matokah on March 27, 2005, 12:40:03 AM


Yeah, no kidding.  I just mailed my Pepperdine waistlist in today, I have no regrets even though I now technically will be going to a TTT (SCU).

I highly doubt SCU's faculty will see the rankings and decide that they should start teaching crappier and grading with lower standards.  It's the same school it was a year ago; some entity just happened to rank it differently.  It has a good rep in the Bay Area, and I'm sure that won't change just over the course of one year.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ZildjianKX on March 27, 2005, 01:36:22 AM


Yeah, no kidding.  I just mailed my Pepperdine waistlist in today, I have no regrets even though I now technically will be going to a third tier toilet (SCU).

I highly doubt SCU's faculty will see the rankings and decide that they should start teaching crappier and grading with lower standards.  It's the same school it was a year ago; some entity just happened to rank it differently.  It has a good rep in the Bay Area, and I'm sure that won't change just over the course of one year.

Yes, very true... especially since most T2s are regional schools anyways.  I was a bit tired when I wrote my above most, I meant to say I declined my Pepperdine waitlist, still no regrets.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: stateofbeasley on March 27, 2005, 07:02:10 AM
I'll be delighted to continue being as obnoxious as possible ;D

In all seriousness though, if the list is right, good for Dickinson. I have friends there and I know they've always felt their school deserved a lot more credit than US News gave them. But that doesn't change the fact that some of your most famous alumni (Santorum for one) suck, and the tuition is horribly overpriced ;)

I feel so damned good knowing I will be attending a tier 2 school. Hell-yeah, I knew the merger was a double bonus. Beasly, I don't want to hear any of your BS, I know you go to Temple and love to bash other PA schools.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: 140am on March 27, 2005, 08:05:34 AM
I like the new rankings.  UB makes a move from 82 to 77, which is where Nova was last year.  Do these rankings matter?  Probably not, but no harm in having some fun with it!
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: brothernads on March 27, 2005, 08:16:27 AM
fwiw, i'm glad boalt moved back up.
LOL.   ;)  Do you really think that it'll keep Boalt from being ragged on?


Duke is the new Boalt. HTH.  ;)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: WitterUin4 on March 27, 2005, 08:59:16 AM
Wow I went and visited Pepperdine today and it was freakin gorgeous and now I come home and they've jumped in teh rankings, maybe the gods are telling me something.  They're giving me $ and they're in Malibu, hmmm


oh great, another damn malibu barbie wannabe up in here.

Dude, did you see DU's massive slide. Wow.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Andie203 on March 27, 2005, 09:33:42 AM
So I noticed ND dropped 4 spots and W&Lee and Iowa moved up a spot to being one above Notre Dame.  I think I know why.......Iowa and Washington & Lee accepted me and Notre Dame just put me on their waitlist.  And the US News guys were like, "Nobody disses Andrea like that.  Those Irish bitches are goin' down!"

Just my thoughts.
Andrea
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: funnyfunny on March 27, 2005, 09:38:48 AM
Someone is lying!  I just called B&N and they said that the rankings hadn't even came in yet... ???



From XOXO. Now edited with 1-100. This is the real deal, confirmed by multiple sources, including yours truly. Most Barnes & Nobles have them on the newstand already (under the Business section, with gold cover). See below for a link to a scan of the partial listing.

1. Yale


2. Harvard


3. Stanford


4. Columbia


5. NYU


6. Chicago


7. Penn


8. Michigan, UVA


10. Northwestern


11. Boalt, Cornell, Duke


14. GULC


15. UCLA, Texas


17. Vandy


18. USC


19. Minnesota


20. BU, GW


22. Iowa, W&L


24. ND, WUSTL


26. UIUC


27. BC, W&M, Fordham, UNC, U Wash


32. Emory, UC Davis, Wisconsin


35. BYU


36. Indiana, UGA, Wake Forest


39. OSU, Hastings


41. George Mason, Tulane, Alabama, Arizona, Florida, UMD


47. American


48. Colorado


49. Case Western, U Conn, Utah


52 Baylor, SMU, Pitt, U Tenn Knoxville



56. FSU, U Kentucky



58. ASU, Brooklyn, Cardozo, Loyola LA, U Cincinnati



63. USD, Villanova



65. Chicago-Kent, Rutgers Camden, Temple, Houston



69. Loyola Chicago, Missouri, New Mexico, Oregon



73. Rutgers Newark, St. Louis, Miami, Richmond



77. Lewis & Clark, Pepperdine, St John's, SUNY Buffalo, Nebraska, Oklahoma



83. Seton Hall, Hawaii



85. Catholic, GA State, Northeastern, Louisville, U Miss



90. LSU, Penn State, UNLV, U of SC, U Pacific (McGeorge)



95. Hofstra, Indiana (Indianapolis), SEattle, Syracuse, Denver



100. Marquette, Mercer, Kansas



Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: soupnazi on March 27, 2005, 09:59:05 AM
your Barnes and Noble is TTT.  Sorry about the BC slide.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: InVinoVeritas on March 27, 2005, 10:04:56 AM
yes, the rankings are real.  there's even a scanned page of the rankings floating around somewhere.  suck it up.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: lolita05 on March 27, 2005, 10:39:31 AM
Pepperdine's jump is certainly interesting.  Considering that 40% of each school's score is "assessment", i.e. "rate schools from "marginal" (1) to "outstanding" (5)" it kind of makes sense.  With Ken Starr becoming the new dean recently, the school got TONS of press.  In many faculty/lawyers/judges' minds, having a new noteworthy dean may give the place instant credibility, and therefore increase it's assessment score pretty much overnight. 

Not that I know for sure that a rise in Pepperdine's assessment score it what raised it's overall score.  Just guessing...   

But if this is the case, it just shows how terribly flawed US News' methodology is...
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: stateofbeasley on March 27, 2005, 10:59:06 AM
I agree that the US News methodology is fatally flawed. The "reputation" scores don't make any sense. As far as peer assessment goes, I think it is common sense that most law school deans don't have firsthand knowledge of the quality of other law schools. When was the last time a Harvard dean visited Michigan State or Cooley in order to evaluate facilities and teaching? Probably never. The same thing goes for Lawyer/Judge assessment. A 9th Circuit judge might know something about Stanford or Hastings, but nothing about Rutgers-Camden or OSU. Lack of firsthand knowledge, I suspect, makes the 'assessment' scores suceptible to high profile news and recent events, as lolita suggests.

Being from a school that doesn't benefit much from the rankings, I can't claim to be unbiased when I say that I think US News is generally trash journalism that stays alive only because its school rankings became so popular.

On the other hand, I find the whole ranking game strangely entertaining. It's like watching a game of Calvinball, where the rules are made up (with US News, Cooley, and Leiter making up their own rules) and weird things happen from time to time. I'm still rooting for Cardozo to beat Brooklyn in the Cooley rankings, but it doesn't look like it's gonna happen.

Not that I know for sure that a rise in Pepperdine's assessment score it what raised it's overall score.  Just guessing...   

But if this is the case, it just shows how terribly flawed US News' methodology is...
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AllisonAzee on March 27, 2005, 11:36:31 AM
Wow I went and visited Pepperdine today and it was freakin gorgeous and now I come home and they've jumped in teh rankings, maybe the gods are telling me something.  They're giving me $ and they're in Malibu, hmmm


oh great, another damn malibu barbie wannabe up in here.

Meow, no more like Malibu is looking damn good in comparison to commuting Loyola and being mugged.  Still pretty good chance that is where I will be though.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AllisonAzee on March 27, 2005, 12:07:28 PM
Wow I went and visited Pepperdine today and it was freakin gorgeous and now I come home and they've jumped in teh rankings, maybe the gods are telling me something.  They're giving me $ and they're in Malibu, hmmm

Well, at least you're into God.  That'll be useful at Pepperdine.



She said gods, lower case and plural.  I think Pepperdine is into God.

Yeah I'm not too into God myself, which is why I hate this board it keeps talking me out of Pepperdine, even though it would mean lots of money and being in a gorgeous location.  I mean I am a very liberal, well travelled, athiest, so the who Ken Starr thing scares the hell out of me, but is it really going to make that big of a difference in my day to day life in Law School?  Maybe it will, but I just don't know.  I mean this is California and I find it hard to believe there won't be a pretty large group of people like me who are there for the location and cash.  Maybe I'm wrong and I'm definitely not decided at all yet, but it seems silly to dismiss Pepperdine, when it's rank is rising, along with it's bar passage rate.  They have really good connections for jobs and I won't be battling the traffic or worrying about my safety all while saving 14k a year.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: blinkuldhc on March 27, 2005, 12:44:01 PM
http://www.utexas.edu/law/faculty/bleiter/rankings/

This may be a reasonable alternative to the usnews rankings. it may be a little dated, but the methodology seems a little more sound.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 27, 2005, 01:07:35 PM
Pepperdine's ranking rose... but I don't agree that it's rising.  There isn't a good enough methodology here for there to be any science to it.  It's coincidence.

And did it ever occur to you that you might want to be careful b/c Pepperdine's alumni network (i.e. the people to whom you'll likely go to for a job) might be really conservative and religious?

I'm not trying to rain on your parade.  But I just think you should be careful -- that's all.  I mean, you're talking about going to a school that will kick you out if they find out you're having an intimate same-sex relationship.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: blinkuldhc on March 27, 2005, 01:19:21 PM
Pepperdine's ranking rose... but I don't agree that it's rising. There isn't a good enough methodology here for there to be any science to it. It's coincidence.

And did it ever occur to you that you might want to be careful b/c Pepperdine's alumni network (i.e. the people to whom you'll likely go to for a job) might be really conservative and religious?

I'm not trying to rain on your parade. But I just think you should be careful -- that's all. I mean, you're talking about going to a school that will kick you out if they find out you're having an intimate same-sex relationship.

Intimate same-sex relationship? What about just casual same sex relationships. LOL
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 27, 2005, 01:28:07 PM
Well, the AALS requires that law schools not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.  So Pepperdine (and Liberty, Regent, Baylor, BYU, etc) discriminate on the basis of sexual behavior -- at least in policy, which is enough to scare LGBT people away.

So I suppose a "casual" same sex relationship is allowed, although I'm not sure it's a very nice atmosphere for it. 

By the way, to all of those people who are going to say that it's okay b/c they don't allow sex outside of marriage either, it's not the same.  When Pepperdine endorses same sex marriage, then we'll talk.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Bahamut on March 27, 2005, 01:29:30 PM
thank god baylor is out of tier 1.

Give me a break.  ::)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AllisonAzee on March 27, 2005, 01:55:33 PM
Pepperdine's ranking rose... but I don't agree that it's rising.  There isn't a good enough methodology here for there to be any science to it.  It's coincidence.

And did it ever occur to you that you might want to be careful b/c Pepperdine's alumni network (i.e. the people to whom you'll likely go to for a job) might be really conservative and religious?

I'm not trying to rain on your parade.  But I just think you should be careful -- that's all.  I mean, you're talking about going to a school that will kick you out if they find out you're having an intimate same-sex relationship.

Whoa are you serious?  I knew they were religious in principle, but I didn't know they enforced that on their students.  Once again I'm straight, so this wouldn't effect me, but that is crossing a major line for me.  Alright I didn't realize Pepperdine was sort of like Liberty in practice, any other insane rules they have.  And does anyone know of anything that has actually happened to a student for violating the rules?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AllisonAzee on March 27, 2005, 02:07:58 PM
Boo, alright just read about how Pepperdine blocked a student group against homophobia (not gay rights here, just against homophobia) by one of its sophmores, who had like 3 roommates move out on him as soon as they found out he was gay.  Then the school threatened him, etc.. God dammit, but it's so pretty.  Grr alright Loyola is back in the front, why won't you give me money Loyola? 
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: funnyfunny on March 27, 2005, 02:09:27 PM
Actually BC went up 2 spots from last year according to the rankings that are floating around this board and xoxo...D!ckhe@d. Although it wouldn't have made me much of a difference if their ranking did go down @ss.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php

HTH


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Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: MSUDuster on March 27, 2005, 02:15:05 PM
AllisonAzee - PDine is very religious, it would only make sense that they're not exactly proponents of same-sex anything. Did you write the mission statement?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Neub on March 27, 2005, 02:19:27 PM
Does the further rise of BU start to erode the notion that BC is king in Boston? (Harvard excluded of course)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: funnyfunny on March 27, 2005, 02:22:59 PM
If your smart @ss comment was meant for me, personally I never stated that I had that notion.  Secondly, I was responding to someone else's comment.  I see all the smart @sses are on this board today.


Does the further rise of BU start to erode the notion that BC is king in Boston? (Harvard excluded of course)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: funnyfunny on March 27, 2005, 02:38:20 PM

(hypocrite)
"That makes a ton of sense to me. While BU has taken off in the USNEWS rankings recently, it seems as though it has been completely overplayed in terms of its relationship to BC in Boston simply because of a one year higher ranking."

Does the further rise of BU start to erode the notion that BC is king in Boston? (Harvard excluded of course)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AllisonAzee on March 27, 2005, 02:48:44 PM
AllisonAzee - PDine is very religious, it would only make sense that they're not exactly proponents of same-sex anything. Did you write the mission statement?

Yeah I knew it was a religious school, but it's one thing to be religious in priniciple and theory and to actually inflict those beliefs on your students.  Lots and lots of schools are technically religious, but that doesn't generally mean those beliefs are forced upon their students.  Yeah I did the mission statement and I knew it was that way a bit, I just didn't know to what degree.  Actively silencing any gay voice at the school is pretty extreme.  I friend's gf goes there undergrad and I have heard things about semi required bible study and no members of the opposite sex in your dorm room after midnight, but I was hoping it ended there.  Yeah I think at the end of the day I wouldn't fit in very well at Pepperdine and I obviously am against many of their beliefs, bleh I love Malibu.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Neub on March 27, 2005, 03:11:38 PM
haha I'm sorry if I mistakenly jumped in on a BC bashing thread, but that was a serious question. I am trying to decide between BC and BU and it worries me that BU has risen more when BC was supposed to make its jump back up this year.  I'm just curious as to whether people really think that the Boston legal market is shifting at all, or is this, as you have so wonderfully quoted, going to be overplayed as usual.

I like BU's location a lot more, and if I thought that they were equalizing in terms of Boston reputation, it might influence my decision more than before. Sorry funnyfunny if i rubbed you the wrong way.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: onepoint on March 27, 2005, 03:14:35 PM
i'm still scratching my head over psu-dickinson jumping to #91 from tier3.

any ideas?  this could shift my line of thinking in comparing duquesne/psu right now.  and those seat deposits are due soon.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: funnyfunny on March 27, 2005, 03:17:46 PM
No prob.  I guess I was already rubbed the wrong way after responding to the other poster.  Sorry about that.

haha I'm sorry if I mistakenly jumped in on a BC bashing thread, but that was a serious question. I am trying to decide between BC and BU and it worries me that BU has risen more when BC was supposed to make its jump back up this year.  I'm just curious as to whether people really think that the Boston legal market is shifting at all, or is this, as you have so wonderfully quoted, going to be overplayed as usual.

I like BU's location a lot more, and if I thought that they were equalizing in terms of Boston reputation, it might influence my decision more than before. Sorry funnyfunny if i rubbed you the wrong way.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Neub on March 27, 2005, 03:20:49 PM
now, this is a wonderful example of the great environment BC is supposed to have in terms of friendliness!
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: frostm3 on March 27, 2005, 05:11:50 PM
I think he was referring to BC's fall in general, since they used to be in the 20-22, but have since fallen to 29 and now 27. It is difficult to guage whether they will ever recover, especially given BU's rise. Their current admission cycle has been quizzical as well, and certainly doesn't seem to be as selective as they used to be. Just a glance at LSN, though arguably not representative of the entire applicant pool, shows that BU's mean acceptance numbers are higher in both GPA and LSAT than BC. It seems like BU's poised to solidify their position and maintain their lead over BC. But hey, I was accepted to BC as well and was hoping to see them recover. It just doesn't seem like they're doing much, or care much, to regain their spot.

And BTW there is no reason to doubt the validity of these rankings simply because your B&N doesn't have the new issues yet. Plenty of others already stock them, including confirmed ones in MA, PA, DC, TX and others. I can give you the number to my local B&N if you want so you can verify.

Actually BC went up 2 spots from last year according to the rankings that are floating around this board and xoxo...D!ckhe@d. Although it wouldn't have made me much of a difference if their ranking did go down @ss.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php

HTH


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Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mememe on March 27, 2005, 05:33:43 PM
I should be happy since the best school I've gotten into has just risen in the rankings...but, I'm super sad that USF is now T3.  Sad!  this sucks.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: bradzwest on March 27, 2005, 05:36:55 PM
anyone got T3?  Thanks
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: dave303 on March 27, 2005, 05:39:49 PM
T3 and T4 are not ranked, its just all the other schools.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: bradzwest on March 27, 2005, 05:42:41 PM
I know...want the group not the rankings...if someone has T3/everything left is T4
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: blake840 on March 27, 2005, 05:47:18 PM
yeah I would like them also...everyone is being so mean about giving out the T3 and T4 rankings. 
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: bradzwest on March 27, 2005, 05:50:52 PM
yeah I would like them also...everyone is being so mean about giving out the T3 and T4 rankings. 

they can be mean...long as they give up the info!
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: YankyKitten on March 27, 2005, 07:21:42 PM
I'm sorry to be a nuisance: I don't want the rank order, I want the overall score (out of one hundred, I think) for 2005, which you have to be a member to see. Since these figures have expired and I know ppl on here have access to them, I was hoping someone would post them for me. thanks.

Duke 81
Cornell 80
Boalt 79
Georgetown 76
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Erapitt on March 27, 2005, 08:02:34 PM
So when you see BC, GW both at 20, does that mean they are tied for 20?  If that is the case, what happens to 21 and the others that are seemingly skpped over?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: simon_littletree on March 27, 2005, 08:35:42 PM
Pepperdine's ranking rose... but I don't agree that it's rising.  There isn't a good enough methodology here for there to be any science to it.  It's coincidence.

And did it ever occur to you that you might want to be careful b/c Pepperdine's alumni network (i.e. the people to whom you'll likely go to for a job) might be really conservative and religious?

I'm not trying to rain on your parade.  But I just think you should be careful -- that's all.  I mean, you're talking about going to a school that will kick you out if they find out you're having an intimate same-sex relationship.

Allright, you're just spreading misinformation.  I know several openly gay Pepp law students (yes, they're still in good academic standing).  Pepperdine also has many liberal students, and people of all religions.  Lots of faculty members and students are religious, but it doesn't permeate all of law school life.  The school is most certaintly rising, in bar passage and reputation.  Pepp also beat out Loyola, USD, USF and SC by a decent margin on the July 04 bar exam. 

Sum: it's not nearly what these clueless people make it out to be.   Get used to it, they'll continue to rise. 

Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: funnyfunny on March 27, 2005, 08:35:59 PM
BTW, I don't need the number to B&N.  I can easily look it up myself.  Also, I pre-ordered a copy of the new rankings guide but thanks. Also, that's not what he said, but glad to see there's a mind-reader on this board. I hope you can't read mine right now...

HTH

I think he was referring to BC's fall in general, since they used to be in the 20-22, but have since fallen to 29 and now 27. It is difficult to guage whether they will ever recover, especially given BU's rise. Their current admission cycle has been quizzical as well, and certainly doesn't seem to be as selective as they used to be. Just a glance at LSN, though arguably not representative of the entire applicant pool, shows that BU's mean acceptance numbers are higher in both GPA and LSAT than BC. It seems like BU's poised to solidify their position and maintain their lead over BC. But hey, I was accepted to BC as well and was hoping to see them recover. It just doesn't seem like they're doing much, or care much, to regain their spot.

And BTW there is no reason to doubt the validity of these rankings simply because your B&N doesn't have the new issues yet. Plenty of others already stock them, including confirmed ones in MA, PA, DC, TX and others. I can give you the number to my local B&N if you want so you can verify.

Actually BC went up 2 spots from last year according to the rankings that are floating around this board and xoxo...D!ckhe@d. Although it wouldn't have made me much of a difference if their ranking did go down @ss.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php

HTH


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Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AllisonAzee on March 27, 2005, 08:41:53 PM
Pepperdine's ranking rose... but I don't agree that it's rising.  There isn't a good enough methodology here for there to be any science to it.  It's coincidence.

And did it ever occur to you that you might want to be careful b/c Pepperdine's alumni network (i.e. the people to whom you'll likely go to for a job) might be really conservative and religious?

I'm not trying to rain on your parade.  But I just think you should be careful -- that's all.  I mean, you're talking about going to a school that will kick you out if they find out you're having an intimate same-sex relationship.

Allright, you're just spreading misinformation.  I know several openly gay Pepp law students (yes, they're still in good academic standing).  Pepperdine also has many liberal students, and people of all religions.  Lots of faculty members and students are religious, but it doesn't permeate all of law school life.  The school is most certaintly rising, in bar passage and reputation.  Pepp also beat out Loyola, USD, USF and SC by a decent margin on the July 04 bar exam. 

Sum: it's not nearly what these clueless people make it out to be.   Get used to it, they'll continue to rise. 



I guess I don't know what to think.  There is at least one case for a fact of a gay student who was pretty well kicked down by the faculty and rejected by his classmates, although his case isn't necassarily representative of the school as a whole.  At best I've heard mixed reviews of Pepperdine, I'm sure I would be fine if I went there, but I don't know if I would be happy or if I would really find a group of people I would fit in with, which is important to me.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: simon_littletree on March 27, 2005, 08:56:49 PM
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I guess I don't know what to think.  There is at least one case for a fact of a gay student who was pretty well kicked down by the faculty and rejected by his classmates, although his case isn't necassarily representative of the school as a whole.  At best I've heard mixed reviews of Pepperdine, I'm sure I would be fine if I went there, but I don't know if I would be happy or if I would really find a group of people I would fit in with, which is important to me.
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Are you sure this was a law school incident?  It wouldn't surprise if it was the undergrad; it's a totally different world down there. 
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AllisonAzee on March 27, 2005, 09:08:26 PM
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I guess I don't know what to think.  There is at least one case for a fact of a gay student who was pretty well kicked down by the faculty and rejected by his classmates, although his case isn't necassarily representative of the school as a whole.  At best I've heard mixed reviews of Pepperdine, I'm sure I would be fine if I went there, but I don't know if I would be happy or if I would really find a group of people I would fit in with, which is important to me.
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Are you sure this was a law school incident?  It wouldn't surprise if it was the undergrad; it's a totally different world down there. 

No it wasn't at the law school, a sophmore I believe.  But even so.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ILoveNY on March 27, 2005, 09:13:24 PM
I'm probably the only one who cares, but I'm glad to see Syracuse move from T3 to top 100 (granted, it's barely in the top 100), especially since that's most likely where I'm headed in August!
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: elemnopee on March 27, 2005, 09:26:11 PM
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I guess I don't know what to think.  There is at least one case for a fact of a gay student who was pretty well kicked down by the faculty and rejected by his classmates, although his case isn't necassarily representative of the school as a whole.  At best I've heard mixed reviews of Pepperdine, I'm sure I would be fine if I went there, but I don't know if I would be happy or if I would really find a group of people I would fit in with, which is important to me.
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Are you sure this was a law school incident?  It wouldn't surprise if it was the undergrad; it's a totally different world down there. 

No it wasn't at the law school, a sophmore I believe.  But even so.

Students Against Homophobia club can’t find sponsor for Tolerance Day
http://graphic.pepperdine.edu/perspectives/2004/2004-03-25-sah.htm
Although Pepperdine has denied recognition of student organizations that support homosexuality, such as the Gay Lesbian Straight Alliance, the statement also implied that they would continue to support education about the subject:

“The University remains committed to the ongoing dialogue about homosexuality and homophobia through lectures, forums, classroom discussions, RA training and New Student Orientation.”

The school also supported a lecture series entitled "Why Homosexuality is not a Christian Value"
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: shadowcreeper on March 27, 2005, 09:32:17 PM
anyone got T3? Thanks


I would also like to see what schools are in T3.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 27, 2005, 10:17:46 PM
Allright, you're just spreading misinformation.  I know several openly gay Pepp law students (yes, they're still in good academic standing).  Pepperdine also has many liberal students, and people of all religions.  Lots of faculty members and students are religious, but it doesn't permeate all of law school life.  The school is most certaintly rising, in bar passage and reputation.  Pepp also beat out Loyola, USD, USF and SC by a decent margin on the July 04 bar exam. 

Sum: it's not nearly what these clueless people make it out to be.   Get used to it, they'll continue to rise.


I'm not spreading misinformation.  Every statement I made was about their policy.  I never said anything about how their philosophies and policies were carried out.  But it's obvious, from the information others have posted, that their policies are carried out, at least to some extent.

I'm BI and I'd certainly ask that others not make the decision to attend a school that discriminates, or has a policy to do so. 

Plus, I suppose there could be gay students at the school.  But if this is true, they're certainly taking a risk -- that's all I'm saying.  I wouldn't put myself in that position.  I wouldn't put myself in the position that I could be kicked out of school (and obviously risk my chance at getting a JD) if I were accused of having a sexual relationship with my partner. 
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 27, 2005, 10:19:18 PM
Aside from that -- SD, SC, SF, and Loyola have better employment stats than Pepperdine.  And I'd argue that the bar passage rate matters much less than you might think.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Bahamut on March 27, 2005, 10:22:56 PM
I'm probably the only one who cares, but I'm glad to see Syracuse move from T3 to top 100 (granted, it's barely in the top 100), especially since that's most likely where I'm headed in August!

What happens if they drop back into T3 before you graduate?


(This is the reason I think these rankings are worth a hoot.)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: blueboy on March 27, 2005, 10:26:00 PM
Since the supposed U.S. News 2006 rankings were posted, I've heard a lot of talk about what schools made big moves up or down.  Emory, Tulane, and Case Western have been some of the most mentioned schools in terms of their movement.  I want to look beyond the 1st tier.  Assuming the rankings are real, which I'm not hear to argue or have proven to me, I was shocked by how far Indiana University-Indianapolis fell in the rankings, from 63rd last year to 95th this year.  I realize the overall scores for 2nd tier schools are closely bunched together, but Indy's fall in the rankings still really surprised me.  I'm interested in hearing people's opinions on why Indy slipped so far.  Those with glib responses need not reply.  You know the folks I'm talking about.  Those who would say, "Indy has been revealed for the pretender it is and are now returning to the Third Tier Toilet from which they came and where they belong."  Go to the XO discussion board if you want to masturbate your ego in such a way.  Thanks in advance to all those who post thoughtful responses.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 27, 2005, 10:32:58 PM
I was shocked about IU-Indy's fall as well.  But I just think it proves that the lawyers/judges/academics who return surveys aren't reliable.  It's so odd.  But if you happen to, by chance, have a few fewer people familiar with IU Indy than you'd normally predict, you probably see these huge jumps. 

The methodology is so flawed.  I wouldn't take a drop or jump in the rankings as proving anything more than this.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 27, 2005, 10:37:28 PM
An interesting article from Mother Jones about Pepperdine.  It's about a kid who has been punished for speaking out as a gay student.  He's an undergrad, but let's face it -- the culture extends to the law school to some extent.  I mean... Ken Starr is the dean of the law school for heaven's sake.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/10/10_404.html

From the article:  But as a student, Turck found that such talk of acceptance rang hollow. In his first two years he cycled through three roommates, all of whom were uncomfortable with his homosexuality. So Turck, who had organized his high school’s Gay-Straight Alliance, tried to create a similar group, Students Against Homophobia, to promote tolerance on campus. When he applied for official recognition, the administration denied his request, claiming that it would not “recognize a student organization that promotes teaching or behavior inconsistent with our ethical norms.” Turck then asked to meet with the university president Andrew K. Benton, only to receive a letter rebuffing him. It closed ominously, “If you choose to share this letter with someone else, you will have violated my confidence and undertaken to harm yourself.”
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AllisonAzee on March 27, 2005, 10:44:04 PM
An interesting article from Mother Jones about Pepperdine.  It's about a kid who has been punished for speaking out as a gay student.  He's an undergrad, but let's face it -- the culture extends to the law school to some extent.  I mean... Ken Starr is the dean of the law school for heaven's sake.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/10/10_404.html

From the article:  But as a student, Turck found that such talk of acceptance rang hollow. In his first two years he cycled through three roommates, all of whom were uncomfortable with his homosexuality. So Turck, who had organized his high school’s Gay-Straight Alliance, tried to create a similar group, Students Against Homophobia, to promote tolerance on campus. When he applied for official recognition, the administration denied his request, claiming that it would not “recognize a student organization that promotes teaching or behavior inconsistent with our ethical norms.” Turck then asked to meet with the university president Andrew K. Benton, only to receive a letter rebuffing him. It closed ominously, “If you choose to share this letter with someone else, you will have violated my confidence and undertaken to harm yourself.”

Yeah that was what I had read about too.  The more disturbing thing is it wasn't even a group to promote gay rights or anything, it was simply to help stop homophobia (which last time I checked was not a christian value, at least technically) and to spread awareness of the effects of homophobia.  And the fact that the kid couldn't keep a roommate says this attitude is shared with the student body along with the faculty (I know not all).  I want to love you Pepperdine, but you're making it so hard.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 27, 2005, 10:59:40 PM
Like I said, I'm not trying to rain on your parade.  The bone I have to pick with Pepperdine has nothing to do with politics or religion.  The sole matter I care about is tolerance.  This kid is showing what happens to an advocate of tolerance at Pepperdine.  He's a self-confirmed conservative, as well.

I think the only way that institutions will become more accepting and tolerant is if people make decisions to not deal with them based on their lack of tolerence.  Or I suppose it can make a difference if people like this young man go to the institution and stand up for their rights, although I would never ask that of a person.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: kristay on March 27, 2005, 11:30:32 PM
I don't suppose anyone would be willing to post a full list of the third and fourth tiers?  I'm curious about a couple of the schools I applied to in those tiers.

Good to see UoP-McGeorge in the second tier, though.  Everyone was so lovely and nice when I visited a few weeks back, so I'm now kind of partial to them.


Tier 3
Albany Law School
Cleveland State University
Creighton
DePaul
Duquesne
Franklin Pierce
Gonzanga
Howard
Loyola University New Orleans
Michigan State
New York Law School
Samford
Santa Clara
Southern Illinois University--Carbondale
Southwestern University
Stetson
Texas Tech
Akron
U. of Arkansas--Fayetteville
U of Arkansas--Little Rock
U. of Idaho
U. of Maine
U. of Memphis
U. of Missouri--Kansas City
U. of Montana
U. of North Dakota
U. of San Francisco
U. of Toledo
U. of Wyoming
Vermont Law School
Washburn
Wayne State
West Virginia University
Williamette

Tier 4
California WEstern
Campbell
Capital University
Chapman
CUNY-Queens College
Drake
Florida Coastal
Golden Gate
Hamline
John Marshall
Mississippi College
New Englad School of Law
North Carolina Central University
Northern Illinois
Northern Kentucky
Nova Southeastern
Ohio Northern
Oklahoma City
Pace
Quinnipiac
Regent
Roger WIlliams University
Southern University
South Texas College of Law
St. Mary's
St. Thomas
Suffolk
Texas Southern
TExas WEsleyan
Thomas  Jefferson
Thomas M. Cooley
Touro
U. of Baltimore
U. of Dayton
U. of Detroit Mercy
U. of South Dakota
U. of Tulsa
Valparaiso
Western New England College
Western State Unviersity
Whittier
Widener
William Mitchell
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: DunkinsFan on March 27, 2005, 11:36:52 PM
You rock... people have been asking for that for ages.  I'm not really interested in any of the schools in this category except Suffolk, which I was disappointed to see didn't move up.

I think the T3/T4 distinction doesn't mean that much anyway, though.  To me there are the decent T3/T4, and then the T4 that are truly "TTTT" (I'd say Cooley, Appalachian, maybe Western New England and Roger Williams)

I don't think it's fair to schools like Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, U Baltimore, that they're in the same category as the above.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: kristay on March 27, 2005, 11:42:16 PM
You rock... people have been asking for that for ages.  I'm not really interested in any of the schools in this category except Suffolk, which I was disappointed to see didn't move up.

I think the T3/T4 distinction doesn't mean that much anyway, though.  To me there are the decent T3/T4, and then the T4 that are truly "TTTT" (I'd say Cooley, Appalachian, maybe Western New England and Roger Williams)

I don't think it's fair to schools like Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, U Baltimore, that they're in the same category as the above.

No prob.

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Matokah on March 27, 2005, 11:50:36 PM
Yes, very true... especially since most T2s are regional schools anyways.  I was a bit tired when I wrote my above most, I meant to say I declined my Pepperdine waitlist, still no regrets.

You and me both on being tired when we wrote our responses.  I totally didn't realize I had come off as snappy as I did.  Apologies.  I just think the rankings are so ridiculous sometimes.  With this change, does this mean UoP is better than Santa Clara all of a sudden?  Maybe.  But not if you want to do hi-tech law.  It's more about fit than anything, I think, and that's why the rankings are irrelevant when you're trying to choose between 2 similarly-ranked schools.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Matokah on March 28, 2005, 12:06:12 AM

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.

I was pretty surprised when I found out that William Mitchell had dropped to fourth tier.  The funny thing is that most Minnesotans will still consider it the best law school in the Twin Cities without a doubt.  There's no changing us stubborn Scandinavians.  :D

P.S. kristay:  what the heck is a "depost"? ;)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: DunkinsFan on March 28, 2005, 12:17:59 AM

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.

I was pretty surprised when I found out that William Mitchell had dropped to fourth tier.  The funny thing is that most Minnesotans will still consider it the best law school in the Twin Cities without a doubt.  There's no changing us stubborn Scandinavians.  :D

P.S. kristay:  what the heck is a "depost"? ;)

Better than U of M?  If so, you Minnesotans are pretty funny... :)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: kristay on March 28, 2005, 12:19:09 AM

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.

I was pretty surprised when I found out that William Mitchell had dropped to fourth tier.  The funny thing is that most Minnesotans will still consider it the best law school in the Twin Cities without a doubt.  There's no changing us stubborn Scandinavians.  :D

P.S. kristay:  what the heck is a "depost"? ;)

LOL!!!  No one else has caught that! :D  Off to fix that now...
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Matokah on March 28, 2005, 12:24:50 AM

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.

I was pretty surprised when I found out that William Mitchell had dropped to fourth tier.  The funny thing is that most Minnesotans will still consider it the best law school in the Twin Cities without a doubt.  There's no changing us stubborn Scandinavians.  :D

P.S. kristay:  what the heck is a "depost"? ;)

Better than U of M?  If so, you Minnesotans are pretty funny... :)


I honestly think most Minnesotans who aren't law school-savvy really have no idea that UMN even HAS a law school.  At least that's the impression I get.  I have a feeling a good amount of UMN grads actually leave the state after they graduate, whereas WM and Hamline grads tend to stay in-state.  Just my interpretation, though.  :)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Matokah on March 28, 2005, 12:29:49 AM


LOL!!!  No one else has caught that! :D  Off to fix that now...

I noticed about a week ago but totally forgot to say anything. 

&&what?!  Why are you fixing it?!  I liked it that way.  ;D
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: kristay on March 28, 2005, 12:31:17 AM


LOL!!!  No one else has caught that! :D  Off to fix that now...

I noticed about a week ago but totally forgot to say anything. 

&&what?!  Why are you fixing it?!  I liked it that way.  ;D

All better. :)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ER on March 28, 2005, 02:10:42 AM
Wow I went and visited Pepperdine today and it was freakin gorgeous and now I come home and they've jumped in the rankings, maybe the gods are telling me something.  They're giving me $ and they're in Malibu, hmmm

Hmmmm... I'll bet if you were identified at Pepperdine as saying "the gods" you'd be thrown out of paradise. But I absolutely agree with you, the view from the little student area overlooking the ocean is literally intoxicating. (yes, I know the word "literally" is overused and cliche; pretend it's new and use it here.)Definitely a Sartre "freedom" moment.Or maybe it's just that I'm a little afraid of heights. I grew up surfing in San Diego, and the views from the cliffs around UCSD (Blacks Beach) are the closest thing I can think of (but hometown loyalty aside, that view can only be matched in Hawaii or something). If anyone reading this has been to the Stephen Birch Aquarium about halfway up the hill from Scripps pier, they will have an idea.(Okay, SF people can think about the Pacific Ocean view from Golden Gate Park at the spot looking out by the Golden Gate Bridge... It really is that pretty.

Scenery aside, California schools (outside Stanford and the UC's) seem pretty confusing. Maybe only to me; my stunted branch of an otherwise reasonably middle class family tree didn't give me much introduction to the university pecking order. I get the whole "don't blame your family, take some responsibility for yourself" thing, and also the "no one ever told me to pay any attention to this" part. Figure I'm somewhere in the middle.

Sure, Antonin Scalia is a favorite speaker there, and Kenneth Starr is now the dean; I mean, even a progressive person can admit they are great at what they do...but geeeezzz!I didn't fight my way out of a religious school upbringing to be taught law by Starr and Scalia!@ (I really am sorry if anyone still reading this happens to find me offensive and not just random.)

My grades were eh... and my LSAT was okay... but thousands of people scored better than me. I ended up choosing between USD,USF, Loyola Los Angeles, Pepperdine, and Southwestern.( I wouldn't have disrespected UCLA and Berkeley by applying, but UC Davis and Hastings said "you are a slacker, and just because you didn't decide to become a vet researching companion bird behavior until you were 22 doesn't mean you can go to law school here".  Anyone accepted quickly to these schools probably was recruited to Temple, Cardozo, Wisconsin Madison,indiana Bloomington, WUSTL, Illinios.... I am stuck in Southern California for family reasons.(go badgers...oh well).

Anyways, I went to Loyola Los Angeles for their accepted student lunch; after a rural undergraduate experience, I felt very anthropological as I drove though urban Los Angeles towards the school.$10.00 blue jeans advertised on the street (Vermont) as I drove closer and closer to the school.

Southwestern University was on the way. If you are an "Americorps, I've been to five countries in two weeks and spoke all the languages" person, and don't care about the standings, you'll love the environment. There is an English language school nearby, and several legal aid firms for immigrants in the surrounding square I thing it's around 6th street there is even a sign language academy right next to Los Angeles Community College up the street on Vermont. Very "of the people"  I took the LSAT there, It's clean and very cool. Very urban, but if you've traveled, it's very interesting and not so bad. Don't walk at night though...

I have to say, except for the reality that I have to be published a few times and scrounge up an LLM somewhere fancy in order to ever have a chance at teaching somewhere, Loyola's surroundings seem to provide a great opportunity to remember the people who made the USA great... first generation immigrants.
LLS is situated pretty closely to Koreatown and a strong Latino area, and the vibe is undeniable. On the threads talking about LLS elsewhere on this site, it seems like most people going there are from San Diego (like me) and that they are grossed out by how ghetto (ewwww) the neighborhood is around the school. I am afraid of sounding like some pro- Loyola idealogue ( I mean come on, it's not my first choice either...) but slow down  a minute and look at how colorful everything is there.

Also, for anyone who does decide to go there, my sister found the oldest "eating or drinking establishement in Los Angeles", which on Wednesday nights, (for now) has a bluegrass band made up of English professors from USC. No really UC people (like me), they are great!

Either everyone will rightly ignore this, or they will mock me. Hee hee. If I can find this post again, I will try to defend myself.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Runner-up on March 28, 2005, 02:39:14 AM
Univ. of Denver plummetted from No. 77 to 95. (!!!!)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Neub on March 28, 2005, 02:53:26 AM
Yeah, I was surprised by Denver's fall as well, particularly because it seemed to be building up some steam with the new law building and a growing interest in the Denver area. I would have thought it was a more solid school at this point rather than barely making the second tier.

Northeastern fell by quite a bit too, which is perhaps even more of a surprise.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Neub on March 28, 2005, 02:57:54 AM
I just read a thread on Denver that mentioned a decline in the bar passage rate to 65% as a possible reason for the drop.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 28, 2005, 08:20:35 AM
About William Mitchell and Denver, ya'll are acting like there should be some rational reason for USN to drop them in the rankings.  But it's all formula.  It probably has little more to do with the intuition of some lawyer working in a mid-sized firm in St. Louis (as an example), who hasn't heard of William Mitchell and who has met a lawyer he doesn't like from Denver.  And b/c he's one of the few schmucks who returns the survey, we all have to live with the results.

The truth is that something like a law school building will often not make much of a difference in the rankings, because it's impossible to quantify the quality of a facility (although it is possible to quantify the quantity of a facility, such as counting the number of books and square feet of a library).

Rationality isn't USN's strong point.  Don't get caught up in the rankings.  Sooner or later some organization or publication will come out with rankings that will be much stronger in methodology (and will have the marketing money to compete w/ USN) and it'll dethrone the USN ranking monopoly.

You know, we'd be all better off if we wrote to other publications -- Time, Newsweek, etc. and tried to get them to compete, with better methodology, with USN's rankings.  But then, they're probably all owned by the same company anyhow.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2005, 08:33:49 AM
Anybody able to answer my question regarding schools that tie?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 28, 2005, 08:37:18 AM
So when you see BC, GW both at 20, does that mean they are tied for 20?  If that is the case, what happens to 21 and the others that are seemingly skpped over?

Yes, I suppose it means they're both sort of tied for twenty.  And they skip 21 b/c they only want 100 in the top 100.  So in a way, they're both tied for 20 1/2.  Go figure.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: --------- on March 28, 2005, 09:14:42 AM

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.

I was pretty surprised when I found out that William Mitchell had dropped to fourth tier.  The funny thing is that most Minnesotans will still consider it the best law school in the Twin Cities without a doubt.  There's no changing us stubborn Scandinavians.  :D

P.S. kristay:  what the heck is a "depost"? ;)

Better than U of M?  If so, you Minnesotans are pretty funny... :)


I honestly think most Minnesotans who aren't law school-savvy really have no idea that UMN even HAS a law school.  At least that's the impression I get.  I have a feeling a good amount of UMN grads actually leave the state after they graduate, whereas WM and Hamline grads tend to stay in-state.  Just my interpretation, though.  :)

Bostonians have the same idea about Suffolk,mostly because the majority of Boston's local politicans went there.

Your icon looks familiar. You post on Law_Students in lj,right? I use justreadingct. :-)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: steelcity on March 28, 2005, 09:24:26 AM
Has anyone from the Pittsburgh area found a copy of the new rankings on the shelves yet? 
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: jziv2626 on March 28, 2005, 10:13:37 AM
Anyone have the environmental law rankings?  I"m curious to see how they match up to last year's.  Thanks
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: kristay on March 28, 2005, 10:19:58 AM
Anyone have the environmental law rankings?  I"m curious to see how they match up to last year's.  Thanks

1. Lewis and Clark
2. Vermont
3. Pace
4. CU-Boulder
5. Tulane
6. University of Maryland
7. Stanford
University of Oregon
9. Georgetown
10. Duke
George Washington
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: jziv2626 on March 28, 2005, 10:22:50 AM
thanks. nice to see tulane still in the top ten.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Dan1234 on March 28, 2005, 10:37:26 AM
Can someone post the tax law rankings...thanks in advance.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Boehmer on March 28, 2005, 11:37:52 AM
Can someone who has the new rankings PM or e-mail me the stats for CU-Boulder, most importantly their employment %'s.  No one has the new rankings on the shelfs around here.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: DunkinsFan on March 28, 2005, 12:34:32 PM

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.

I was pretty surprised when I found out that William Mitchell had dropped to fourth tier.  The funny thing is that most Minnesotans will still consider it the best law school in the Twin Cities without a doubt.  There's no changing us stubborn Scandinavians.  :D

P.S. kristay:  what the heck is a "depost"? ;)

Better than U of M?  If so, you Minnesotans are pretty funny... :)


I honestly think most Minnesotans who aren't law school-savvy really have no idea that UMN even HAS a law school.  At least that's the impression I get.  I have a feeling a good amount of UMN grads actually leave the state after they graduate, whereas WM and Hamline grads tend to stay in-state.  Just my interpretation, though.  :)

Bostonians have the same idea about Suffolk,mostly because the majority of Boston's local politicans went there.

Your icon looks familiar. You post on Law_Students in lj,right? I use justreadingct. :-)

Haha, I can imagine this conversation:

Native Bostonian: "Suffolk is definitely Boston's best law school."

Someone from a random Midwestern state who now lives in Boston: "Hmm.. really?  What about, say, Harvard?"

Native Bostonian: "Harvard has a law school?"
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Eyes of the World on March 28, 2005, 12:52:44 PM
Please post the following specialty rankings:

 Dispute Resolution
 Healthcare Law
 Intellectual Property Law

I went to B&N at lunch and had no luck getting a copy of the new rankings.
Thanks  ;D
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: kristay on March 28, 2005, 01:18:07 PM
Please post the following specialty rankings:

 Dispute Resolution
 Healthcare Law
 Intellectual Property Law

I went to B&N at lunch and had no luck getting a copy of the new rankings.
Thanks ;D

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,29753.0.html
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: --------- on March 28, 2005, 01:31:37 PM

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.

I was pretty surprised when I found out that William Mitchell had dropped to fourth tier.  The funny thing is that most Minnesotans will still consider it the best law school in the Twin Cities without a doubt.  There's no changing us stubborn Scandinavians.  :D

P.S. kristay:  what the heck is a "depost"? ;)

Better than U of M?  If so, you Minnesotans are pretty funny... :)


I honestly think most Minnesotans who aren't law school-savvy really have no idea that UMN even HAS a law school.  At least that's the impression I get.  I have a feeling a good amount of UMN grads actually leave the state after they graduate, whereas WM and Hamline grads tend to stay in-state.  Just my interpretation, though.  :)

Bostonians have the same idea about Suffolk,mostly because the majority of Boston's local politicans went there.

Your icon looks familiar. You post on Law_Students in lj,right? I use justreadingct. :-)

Haha, I can imagine this conversation:

Native Bostonian: "Suffolk is definitely Boston's best law school."

Someone from a random Midwestern state who now lives in Boston: "Hmm.. really?  What about, say, Harvard?"

Native Bostonian: "Harvard has a law school?"

Oh,Bostonians know about BC and Harvard. They just think Suffolk ranks up there with them. ;-)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Eyes of the World on March 28, 2005, 01:49:14 PM
thanks kristay  :-*
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ASNetlenov on March 28, 2005, 02:22:31 PM
So basically, not much has changed except a few school, especially in T2. Big deal.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ILoveNY on March 29, 2005, 06:33:45 AM
I'm probably the only one who cares, but I'm glad to see Syracuse move from T3 to top 100 (granted, it's barely in the top 100), especially since that's most likely where I'm headed in August!

What happens if they drop back into T3 before you graduate?


(This is the reason I think these rankings are worth a hoot.)

Nothing. My previous post was not meant to imply that I had made my decision based on the fact that Syracuse moved from third to second tier. I was simply stating that I thought "hey, that's great."  I'm going to Syracuse regardless of whether or not they stay in the second tier or drop back to third before I graduate. I'm with you on the rankings not meaning a whole lot. So, who cares?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: righty on March 29, 2005, 07:52:53 AM
Allison-

You should be honored for being accepted at a Christian University such as Pepperdine which actually integrates Christian values into the study of law . I'm not sure which undergraduate school you attended, but I am sure you were idoctrinated with liberal theories so why care now? I have stated this before, It is much easier to lead those who already have the same views as you. However, if you are an atheist, I am not sure you would fit in at Pepperdine. More than likely you will be taking a class with Dean Starr and constitutional law professor Douglas Kmiec. The Law School dinner this year hosted Theodore Olson who was Bush's largest advocate in the 2000 election and the Bush v. Gore case. I also think it was a good point recently brought up that most of Pepperdine's alumni network are Christians.

You should also consider the stated policies found in the graduate handbook:
http://www.pepperdine.edu/housing/content/graduate-handbook043.pdf

GENERAL CONDUCT EXPECTATIONS
"In keeping with Pepperdine University's Christian mission and its heritage in Churches of
Christ, all members of the University community are encouraged to consider and respect the
teachings of Jesus and historic, biblical Christianity. It is expected that all students will adhere to
biblical teaching regarding moral and ethical practices. Engaging in or promoting conduct or
lifestyles inconsistent with biblical teaching is not permitted.
It is expected that students will
maintain the highest standards of personal honor, morality, and integrity. The University reserves
the right to refuse admittance to or dismiss any person who violates these principles."

SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS POLICY
"In keeping with Pepperdine University’s Christian mission and its heritage in Churches of
Christ, all members of the University community are encouraged to consider and respect the
teachings of Jesus and historic, biblical Christianity. Pepperdine University affirms that sexual
relationships are designed by God to be expressed solely within a marriage between husband and
wife. This view of sexuality and marriage is rooted in the Genesis account of creation and is
maintained consistently throughout Scripture. Sexual relations of any kind outside the confines
of marriage are inconsistent with the teaching of Scripture, as understood by Christian churches
throughout history, including Churches of Christ. Therefore, as a matter of moral and faith
witness, all members of the University are expected to avoid such conduct themselves and to
refrain from encouraging it in others. In all disciplinary matters, we will seek to be redemptive in
the lives of the individuals involved. Consequently, the University will offer counsel and
assistance to support and strengthen the individuals resolve to live consistently with Christian teaching on sexuality. Sexual misconduct, depending on the facts and circumstances of each case, may result in disciplinary action."
 
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mememe on March 29, 2005, 07:58:19 AM
umm, I don't think I can go there.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Dano on March 29, 2005, 08:00:45 AM
That reaffirms my desire to not attend Pepperdine.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: denverquestion on March 29, 2005, 08:01:33 AM
I suggest we call the ABA regarding Pepperdine's "sexual misconduct" policies.
I believe it's illegal for an ABA-accredited school to discriminate against
one's sexual preference, and to expel a student because he/she is gay/lesbian
is truly outrageous!  

BTW-- aren't a lot of gay porn companies located near Malibu? If so, I suggest we call
Titan Media or Falcon Films to orchestrate a parade of men in shorts out in front of Pepperdine's lawschool.  
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: denverquestion on March 29, 2005, 08:08:05 AM
Also, for those LGBT law students that are lookin' to hookup, please bump this thread.

Here's mine , bump.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 29, 2005, 09:00:14 AM
I suggest we call the ABA regarding Pepperdine's "sexual misconduct" policies. I believe it's illegal for an ABA-accredited school to discriminate against one's sexual preference, and to expel a student because he/she is gay/lesbian is truly outrageous! 

The ABA requires that Pepperdine not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.  But just like Liberty, BYU, Baylor, Regent, Notre Dame, and several other schools, Pepperdine interprets this to mean that they still can discriminate on the basis of "sexual behavior."  I love the way Baylor puts it in their statement of non-discrimination --

"We do not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, per se, but we do discriminate on the basis of sexual behavior."

And most schools justify it by saying that they don't allow hetrosexuals to have sex before marriage, either.  But while Baylor (for instance) kicked an undergrad out of the school last year for being gay, I'd be willing to bet that such has never happened to a straight person who was caught having premarital sex.

And isn't it odd that they say that the real issue is having sex before marriage, but then they're the same people who're fighting against gay marriage? 

Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: elemnopee on March 29, 2005, 09:43:15 AM
Honestly, I think most of you would be suprised how few Pepp students are truly "hardcore" conservatives. Yes they are there, but no nearly in the large droves many of you imagine like at Regent, Liberty or Ave. Maria. 

Also, itis a non-sequitor to equate Christianity with Conservatism, many Pepp Christians are of the Sojourner/Progressive stripe.  One prominent Catholic Pepp professor was an advisor to the Clark campaign and several consulted for the Clinton adminstration.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Dano on March 29, 2005, 11:50:21 AM
Honestly, I think most of you would be suprised how few Pepp students are truly "hardcore" conservatives. Yes they are there, but no nearly in the large droves many of you imagine like at Regent, Liberty or Ave. Maria. 

Also, itis a non-sequitor to equate Christianity with Conservatism, many Pepp Christians are of the Sojourner/Progressive stripe.  One prominent Catholic Pepp professor was an advisor to the Clark campaign and several consulted for the Clinton adminstration.

A large majority of them ARE conservative regarding social issues.

Just having Ken Starr as the Dean was enough for me to place Pepperdine in the "do not bother" list.  A school that appoints such a controversial person to a leadership position is making a statement.  A statement, by the way, that excludes about half of the population.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mschuell on March 29, 2005, 12:32:22 PM
Re: Temple vs. Villanova.

I looked at the new issue today at Borders, and the big difference is in the reputation scores- Villanova is at a 2.6-3.2, while Temple is at a 2.6-2.9.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: YankyKitten on March 29, 2005, 12:35:43 PM
Re: Temple vs. Villanova.

I looked at the new issue today at Borders, and the big difference is in the reputation scores- Villanova is at a 2.6-3.2, while Temple is at a 2.6-2.9.

Thank you!  I was wondering what the difference was.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: elemnopee on March 29, 2005, 12:46:16 PM

Just having Ken Starr as the Dean was enough for me to place Pepperdine in the "do not bother" list.  A school that appoints such a controversial person to a leadership position is making a statement.  A statement, by the way, that excludes about half of the population.

I agree, but to be fair, they did offer him the position before the Whitewater investigations.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: limonjello on March 29, 2005, 12:54:15 PM
I suggest we call the ABA regarding Pepperdine's "sexual misconduct" policies. I believe it's illegal for an ABA-accredited school to discriminate against one's sexual preference, and to expel a student because he/she is gay/lesbian is truly outrageous! 

The ABA requires that Pepperdine not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.  But just like Liberty, BYU, Baylor, Regent, Notre Dame, and several other schools, Pepperdine interprets this to mean that they still can discriminate on the basis of "sexual behavior."  I love the way Baylor puts it in their statement of non-discrimination --

"We do not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, per se, but we do discriminate on the basis of sexual behavior."

And most schools justify it by saying that they don't allow hetrosexuals to have sex before marriage, either.  But while Baylor (for instance) kicked an undergrad out of the school last year for being gay, I'd be willing to bet that such has never happened to a straight person who was caught having premarital sex.

And isn't it odd that they say that the real issue is having sex before marriage, but then they're the same people who're fighting against gay marriage? 



Actually, you have to give Baylor credit for their consistency.  I had a lot of friends brought up for disciplinary reasons (drinking, being in girls dorms late, etc.) at Baylor.  They also kicked out the girl who posed in Playboy a few years back.  They are hardasses all the way around.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 29, 2005, 02:15:10 PM
I agree, but to be fair, they did offer him the position before the Whitewater investigations.

Really?  That's not my understanding.  Where did you learn that?

And besides, they should have reconsidered such an appointment if they cared about attracting more than just one type of student, IMO.


About Baylor, I think putting yourself in Playboy is slightly different than having a loving relationship.  I suppose that I'd agree that neither is the business of your university.  And I could surely see how it wouldn't be that big of a deal, perhaps, if a young gay or lesbian student at Pepperdine had to agree to not have sex while in college. 

But the reality is that not every college student is 20 years old (and, of course, many law students are over 30).  What does it mean for a gay or lesbian student who might be in a longtime, committed relationship before starting college or law school -- especially if the student is a little older.  It's impossible for that student to marry his or her partner.  So it effectively disallows that student from attending Pepperdine (or Baylor, BYU, Regent, Liberty, etc). That's pretty unfair. 
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: elemnopee on March 29, 2005, 02:29:23 PM
I checked Nexis, they appointed Starr in 97 while he was still "independent counsel"

Pepp's new salary figures are terrible:
$55,000 - $80,000

I have the USNWR 2006 so if anything wants something posted just ask
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: YankyKitten on March 29, 2005, 02:33:25 PM
I checked Nexis, they appointed Starr in 97 while he was still "independent counsel"

Pepp's new salary figures are terrible:
$55,000 - $80,000

I have the USNWR 2006 so if anything wants something posted just ask

What is the actual score for Widener DE (T4)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: elemnopee on March 29, 2005, 05:29:27 PM
I checked Nexis, they appointed Starr in 97 while he was still "independent counsel"

Pepp's new salary figures are terrible:
$55,000 - $80,000

I have the USNWR 2006 so if anything wants something posted just ask

What is the actual score for Widener DE (T4)

T3 and T4 don't have an overall score

their Peer Assesment is 1.8
lawyers/judges is 2.2
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Paperback Writer on March 29, 2005, 05:35:41 PM
Could someone post the Tier 3 and Tier 4 lists, please?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ZildjianKX on March 29, 2005, 05:36:29 PM
I checked Nexis, they appointed Starr in 97 while he was still "independent counsel"

Pepp's new salary figures are terrible:
$55,000 - $80,000

I have the USNWR 2006 so if anything wants something posted just ask

I've been dying to see Pepperdine's stats compared to USF and SCU, since Pepperine climbed so high and the other two dropped out.  By stats I mean GPA ranges, LSAT, bar passage rates, and employment rates.  Thanks :)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: YankyKitten on March 29, 2005, 05:42:09 PM
I checked Nexis, they appointed Starr in 97 while he was still "independent counsel"

Pepp's new salary figures are terrible:
$55,000 - $80,000

I have the USNWR 2006 so if anything wants something posted just ask

What is the actual score for Widener DE (T4)

T3 and T4 don't have an overall score

their Peer Assesment is 1.8
lawyers/judges is 2.2

Thank you for answering me even though it is obvious that I am a complete idiot.  They didn't do anything from last year really, they always are pushing the idea on us that they are improving in the rankings, that's why I asked.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AZWildcat on March 29, 2005, 05:44:26 PM
Quote
Actually, you have to give Baylor credit for their consistency.  I had a lot of friends brought up for disciplinary reasons (drinking, being in girls dorms late, etc.) at Baylor.  They also kicked out the girl who posed in Playboy a few years back.  They are hardasses all the way around.

Yeah, I give them a lot of credit... any more murderers there playing basketball?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: stateofbeasley on March 29, 2005, 07:00:29 PM
Outrageous. The reputation scores simply do not reflect reality. Temple is a more difficult school to get into and has a higher bar passage rate.

Re: Temple vs. Villanova.

I looked at the new issue today at Borders, and the big difference is in the reputation scores- Villanova is at a 2.6-3.2, while Temple is at a 2.6-2.9.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: YankyKitten on March 29, 2005, 07:03:55 PM
They are still my no. 1 choice!

Outrageous. The reputation scores simply do not reflect reality. Temple is a more difficult school to get into and has a higher bar passage rate.

Re: Temple vs. Villanova.

I looked at the new issue today at Borders, and the big difference is in the reputation scores- Villanova is at a 2.6-3.2, while Temple is at a 2.6-2.9.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: elemnopee on March 29, 2005, 07:22:56 PM
Pepp


I've been dying to see Pepperdine's stats compared to USF and SCU, since Pepperine climbed so high and the other two dropped out. By stats I mean GPA ranges, LSAT, bar passage rates, and employment rates. Thanks :)
in that order and employed at graduation first, then 9 months

Pepp 3.31-3.71 157-161 70.1% 51.3% 95.7%
USF  2.98-3.54 157-162 64.4% n/a   89.3%
SCU  3.23-3.61 156-160 65.8% n/a   84.4%
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: elemnopee on March 29, 2005, 07:23:52 PM
Could someone post the Tier 3 and Tier 4 lists, please?

someone already did in this thread
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ZildjianKX on March 29, 2005, 08:10:16 PM
Pepp


I've been dying to see Pepperdine's stats compared to USF and SCU, since Pepperine climbed so high and the other two dropped out. By stats I mean GPA ranges, LSAT, bar passage rates, and employment rates. Thanks :)
in that order and employed at graduation first, then 9 months

Pepp 3.31-3.71 157-161 70.1% 51.3% 95.7%
USF  2.98-3.54 157-162 64.4% n/a   89.3%
SCU  3.23-3.61 156-160 65.8% n/a   84.4%


Many thanks.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: memeboy on March 30, 2005, 07:30:29 AM

Just having Ken Starr as the Dean was enough for me to place Pepperdine in the "do not bother" list.  A school that appoints such a controversial person to a leadership position is making a statement.  A statement, by the way, that excludes about half of the population.

I agree, but to be fair, they did offer him the position before the Whitewater investigations.

Starr was appointed as independent counsel in 1994.
http://www.courttv.com/archive/legaldocs/government/whitewater/starr_appt.html
His broadening of the investigation from Whitewater to sexual activity had already occurred when Pepperdine appointed him Dean in 1997.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: elemnopee on March 30, 2005, 08:12:24 AM

Just having Ken Starr as the Dean was enough for me to place Pepperdine in the "do not bother" list.  A school that appoints such a controversial person to a leadership position is making a statement.  A statement, by the way, that excludes about half of the population.

I agree, but to be fair, they did offer him the position before the Whitewater investigations.



Starr was appointed as independent counsel in 1994.
http://www.courttv.com/archive/legaldocs/government/whitewater/starr_appt.html
His broadening of the investigation from Whitewater to sexual activity had already occurred when Pepperdine appointed him Dean in 1997.


Yes, I corrected myself earlier, thanks to Nexis.  He was already teaching there before Whitewater, but not before they offered him the deanship.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ptforme on March 30, 2005, 10:50:18 AM
Pepp


I've been dying to see Pepperdine's stats compared to USF and SCU, since Pepperine climbed so high and the other two dropped out. By stats I mean GPA ranges, LSAT, bar passage rates, and employment rates. Thanks :)
in that order and employed at graduation first, then 9 months

Pepp 3.31-3.71 157-161 70.1% 51.3% 95.7%
USF  2.98-3.54 157-162 64.4% n/a   89.3%
SCU  3.23-3.61 156-160 65.8% n/a   84.4%


Could you post the same numbers for USD?  As well as salary info please?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: elemnopee on March 30, 2005, 11:09:17 AM
I've been dying to see Pepperdine's stats compared to USF and SCU, since Pepperine climbed so high and the other two dropped out. By stats I mean GPA ranges, LSAT, bar passage rates, and employment rates. Thanks :)

in that order and employed at graduation first, then 9 months

Pepp  3.31-3.71  157-161  70.1%  51.3%  95.7%   55,000-80,000
USF   2.98-3.54  157-162  64.4%   n/a   89.3%   65,000-110,000
SCU   3.23-3.61  156-160  65.8%   n/a   84.4%   65,000-125,000
USD   3.19-3.60  160-164  79.1%  73.3%  93.5%   60,000-115,000
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: ZildjianKX on March 30, 2005, 12:20:00 PM
If you have a bit of free time and don't mind, could you throw in University of the Pacific McGeorge too?  Many thanks.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: manserunt on March 30, 2005, 06:22:35 PM
Yay Fordham!  And now BC can just go suck it with their condescending rejection letter...
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: AZWildcat on March 30, 2005, 09:55:22 PM
Yay Fordham!  And now BC can just go suck it with their condescending rejection letter...

Really, how did it go?  I just received my Cal (Boalt to you weird LSD people) rejection letter and it was over the top nice.  "These are subjective, another decision on your application may have been made with different faculty on the committee, if we're still you're number one choice, please send in a transfer application after your first year..." etc
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: favap on March 30, 2005, 10:19:24 PM
Hmm.  Baylor is tied with SMU?  That's nonsense.  Try finding a job coming out of Baylor.  Then try finding a job coming out of SMU.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: manserunt on March 31, 2005, 10:43:19 AM
In a nutshell, it basically said that they couldn't take me, but if I was lucky, I MIGHT still be able to have a rewarding life.

I'm sure the Boalt letter was very nice.  The UCLA letter is sugary sweet, as is the NYU letter.  For some reason the BC people just come across as unnecessarily harsh.

But like I said - yay Fordham!
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Stroopwafel on May 17, 2005, 04:07:46 AM
You rock... people have been asking for that for ages.  I'm not really interested in any of the schools in this category except Suffolk, which I was disappointed to see didn't move up.

I think the T3/T4 distinction doesn't mean that much anyway, though.  To me there are the decent T3/T4, and then the T4 that are truly "TTTT" (I'd say Cooley, Appalachian, maybe Western New England and Roger Williams)

I don't think it's fair to schools like Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, U Baltimore, that they're in the same category as the above.

No prob.

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.

Talked to people at William Mitchell and Hamline and asked them to address their views on the USNWR rankings.

The WM lady : "We don't have to worry about that. We place all the people we need to locally, and this has been our focus from the start. If you graduate from here, you will have no problem passing the MN bar and working anywhere in Minnesota and Wisconsin."

The Hamline lady (the person who answered the phone at both places were women):
She laughed and said roughly, "Oh that. We put everything into local reputation and placement. Our focus is also on public interest and in mediation. We have never suffered from the rankings."

FYI:
recent bar passage rates:
      Total 2003
Hamline             88%
William Mitchell    88%

MN                  90%

Oddly the impression that I got was that U of Minnesota, Hamline, or William Mitchell didn't take the USNWR rankings very seriously. But they did take their local rep in MN and WI very (very) seriously.

Good if you want to stay local, maybe no so great of you want to go national. Which of course could be said about most of the schools outside of the t40.

I'm just sayin' is all.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Eyes of the World on May 17, 2005, 06:53:37 AM
after the T14, you are on your own. these are the only schools that will help you nationally.
           
     1. Yale University (CT)
  100 4.8 4.7 3.79-3.96 168-175   6.5%   7.9   96.7%   98.3% 94.8%/NY   75%
     2. Harvard University (MA)
    94 4.8 4.8 3.73-3.94 169-175 11.3% 11.3   98.1%   99.4% 96.3%/NY   75%
     3. Stanford University (CA)
    93 4.8 4.7 3.77-3.94 166-172   7.7%   9.5   99.0%   99.1% 90.2%/CA   60%
     4. Columbia University (NY)
    89 4.7 4.6 3.50-3.83 167-173 14.2% 11.2   97.8%   98.5% 96.3%/NY   75%
     5. New York University 
    86 4.5 4.4 3.57-3.85 167-172 19.8% 11.2   97.5%   99.3% 96.8%/NY   75%
     6. University of Chicago 
    82 4.6 4.7 3.47-3.78 167-171 15.8% 10.1   98.1%   98.5% 97.0%/IL   84%
     7. University of Pennsylvania 
    81 4.3 4.4 3.45-3.81 166-171 15.7% 13.1 100.0% 100.0% 92.0%/NY   75%
     8. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 
    80 4.5 4.6 3.44-3.77 164-169 19.9% 16.0   94.1%   98.6% 95.2%/NY   75%
     8. University of Virginia 
    80 4.3 4.6 3.49-3.82 166-171 18.7% 13.6   95.9%   99.7% 93.2%/VA   72%
   10. Northwestern University (IL)
    79 4.1 4.3 3.47-3.78 166-170 16.1% 12.5   97.7%   99.5%† 97.6%/IL   84%
   11. Cornell University (NY)
    78 4.2 4.3 3.43-3.76 164-168 19.2% 10.7   98.3%   98.3% 92.5%/NY   75%
   11. Duke University (NC)
    78 4.2 4.4 3.38-3.83 162-169 21.2% 11.7   96.7% 100.0% 98.6%/NY   75%
   11. University of California–Berkeley 
    78 4.5 4.4 3.63-3.90 161-168 10.0% 14.4   89.8%   97.7% 89.0%/CA   60%
   14. Georgetown University (DC)
    75 4.2 4.3 3.43-3.80 166-170 18.4% 14.8   92.9%   98.3% 91.6%/NY   75%
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Erapitt on May 17, 2005, 09:51:42 AM
Saying only the T14 will help you nationally is ludicris.  GW is ranked #20 by U.S. News but was ranked #15 in a recent study on placement at elite firms nationwide.  Look at the statistics.  You people and your T14 crap crack me up.  No lawyer refers to the "T14" lol.  You are going to hear about the triage, the top 10, top 15, top 20, maybe the top 25, and then "everyone else."
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Eyes of the World on May 17, 2005, 10:00:37 AM
you are going to GW, correct? motive.
please produce said study.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: mxpocc on May 17, 2005, 02:09:05 PM
no one knows anything. everyone who isn't a lawyer should shut the hell up.

 ;)
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Erapitt on May 17, 2005, 02:34:14 PM
http://www.autoadmit.com/studies/ciolli/draft14.pdf


http://www.utexas.edu/law/faculty/bleiter/rankings/03_most_national.html
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Eyes of the World on May 17, 2005, 02:39:34 PM
no one knows anything. everyone who isn't a lawyer should shut the hell up.

 ;)

extreme ans type
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Eyes of the World on May 17, 2005, 02:40:56 PM
http://www.autoadmit.com/studies/ciolli/draft14.pdf


http://www.utexas.edu/law/faculty/bleiter/rankings/03_most_national.html

alright, i believe you. now all you need to do is grad at the top of your class and you are set for big law.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: limonjello on May 17, 2005, 06:48:02 PM
after the T14, you are on your own. these are the only schools that will help you nationally.
           
     1. Yale University (CT)
  100 4.8 4.7 3.79-3.96 168-175   6.5%   7.9   96.7%   98.3% 94.8%/NY   75%
     2. Harvard University (MA)
    94 4.8 4.8 3.73-3.94 169-175 11.3% 11.3   98.1%   99.4% 96.3%/NY   75%
     3. Stanford University (CA)
    93 4.8 4.7 3.77-3.94 166-172   7.7%   9.5   99.0%   99.1% 90.2%/CA   60%
     4. Columbia University (NY)
    89 4.7 4.6 3.50-3.83 167-173 14.2% 11.2   97.8%   98.5% 96.3%/NY   75%
     5. New York University 
    86 4.5 4.4 3.57-3.85 167-172 19.8% 11.2   97.5%   99.3% 96.8%/NY   75%
     6. University of Chicago 
    82 4.6 4.7 3.47-3.78 167-171 15.8% 10.1   98.1%   98.5% 97.0%/IL   84%
     7. University of Pennsylvania 
    81 4.3 4.4 3.45-3.81 166-171 15.7% 13.1 100.0% 100.0% 92.0%/NY   75%
     8. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 
    80 4.5 4.6 3.44-3.77 164-169 19.9% 16.0   94.1%   98.6% 95.2%/NY   75%
     8. University of Virginia 
    80 4.3 4.6 3.49-3.82 166-171 18.7% 13.6   95.9%   99.7% 93.2%/VA   72%
   10. Northwestern University (IL)
    79 4.1 4.3 3.47-3.78 166-170 16.1% 12.5   97.7%   99.5%† 97.6%/IL   84%
   11. Cornell University (NY)
    78 4.2 4.3 3.43-3.76 164-168 19.2% 10.7   98.3%   98.3% 92.5%/NY   75%
   11. Duke University (NC)
    78 4.2 4.4 3.38-3.83 162-169 21.2% 11.7   96.7% 100.0% 98.6%/NY   75%
   11. University of California–Berkeley 
    78 4.5 4.4 3.63-3.90 161-168 10.0% 14.4   89.8%   97.7% 89.0%/CA   60%
   14. Georgetown University (DC)
    75 4.2 4.3 3.43-3.80 166-170 18.4% 14.8   92.9%   98.3% 91.6%/NY   75%


This is a ridiculously unfounded statement.  There is nothing about the "T14" that makes them significatly superior to 15-18ish.  There is no evidence to support this, and the studies cited below directly contradict the contention.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: St. Shaun on May 17, 2005, 06:54:22 PM
Saying only the T14 will help you nationally is ludicris.  GW is ranked #20 by U.S. News but was ranked #15 in a recent study on placement at elite firms nationwide.  Look at the statistics.  You people and your T14 crap crack me up.  No lawyer refers to the "T14" lol.  You are going to hear about the triage, the top 10, top 15, top 20, maybe the top 25, and then "everyone else."

Those studies favor large schools and schools in big markets since they only look at overall numbers and elite firms are in big markets.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: limonjello on May 17, 2005, 06:57:50 PM
Saying only the T14 will help you nationally is ludicris.  GW is ranked #20 by U.S. News but was ranked #15 in a recent study on placement at elite firms nationwide.  Look at the statistics.  You people and your T14 crap crack me up.  No lawyer refers to the "T14" lol.  You are going to hear about the triage, the top 10, top 15, top 20, maybe the top 25, and then "everyone else."

Those studies favor large schools and schools in big markets since they only look at overall numbers and elite firms are in big markets.

Your argument seems incomplete.  What point are you trying to support (honest curiosity here)?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: St. Shaun on May 17, 2005, 07:02:37 PM
My point is that larger schools have more graduate, therefore it's easier to have more placed in elite firms (the study just counts graduates at the firms and doesn't account for the size of the schools), also a regional school in a big market (DC, New York, Boston) will have more students placed in elite firms because that it where the schools regions are.  My point was infered.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: limonjello on May 17, 2005, 07:19:02 PM
My point is that larger schools have more graduate, therefore it's easier to have more placed in elite firms (the study just counts graduates at the firms and doesn't account for the size of the schools), also a regional school in a big market (DC, New York, Boston) will have more students placed in elite firms because that it where the schools regions are.  My point was infered.

I'm not going to tout either of these studies as gospel truth, rather, I point to them as points of actual information as compared to baseless opinion spouted below. 

That said, both of these studies specifically accounted for class size, so I'm not sure if you have read them very carefully.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: St. Shaun on May 17, 2005, 07:28:27 PM
I'm pretty sure the Texas one doesn't.  That's the only one I'm familiar with, and I could be wrong.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: limonjello on May 17, 2005, 07:37:48 PM
I'm pretty sure the Texas one doesn't.  That's the only one I'm familiar with, and I could be wrong.

It does, actually. Also, it was updated and more completely fleshed out.

http://www.calvin.edu/admin/csr/students/sullivan/law/method.htm
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: scotlyn911 on March 14, 2006, 09:44:51 AM
Can anyone get me a picture of the page that shows the Tier 4 schools?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: TheJesus on March 21, 2006, 05:44:26 PM
hey, according to the original post, the 2006 rankings came out the last Saturday in March...

I wonder if we will see the 2007 rankings released in bookstores this coming Saturday....
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Mr. Pink on March 21, 2006, 09:49:22 PM
Hope so...Im dying to see what happens
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: catsmeow on March 31, 2006, 02:09:38 PM
hey - the new rankings are posted on US News' website and the ones that xoxo sent out initially do not look correct. there were many shifts in T2 schools...(cardozo is now 5 notches above brooklyn), and a drastic upset in the HYSC group as stanford jumped harvard and now the nickname should be HYSCN because NYU is tied with columbia.

i recommend you guys looking at the new stats...
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: catsmeow on March 31, 2006, 02:33:37 PM
i just looked at them on the computer of my coworker who purchased the online rankings. what i just stated above is in fact correct, and xoxo ones were not
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: Sui generis on July 17, 2006, 06:53:46 PM
Does the list ever change? Hasn't the top 20 been the same the last several years?
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: GreyStreet on August 04, 2006, 10:17:04 PM
Rankings don't mean sh*t...

...That is all...

But but but Penn is better than Berkeley because USNWR told me so!

Agreed.
Title: Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
Post by: cassise on August 05, 2006, 01:57:24 AM
Rankings don't mean sh*t...

...That is all...

But but but Penn is better than Berkeley because USNWR told me so!

Agreed.
Greystreet is a rankings whore......