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Title: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: lil_token on March 03, 2005, 02:06:22 PM
I was reading back through the "Not a hoax: got into Boalt with a 160" thread and something struck me.  Hard!

Why is that when a white woman gets in with a lower LSAT everyone on the board is supportive and congratualtory, but when SWB got in with a better GPA, from a better undergrad, everyone wanted her to justify her acceptance?
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: InVinoVeritas on March 03, 2005, 02:12:43 PM
yep. i was thinking the same thing.  is there no civility left?

and i thought the irony of the situation was awfully thick.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Victor on March 03, 2005, 02:19:01 PM
Frankly, I didnt understand the surprise on SWB's part, she had higher numbers than RuskieGirl. As for the issue at hand, who wasnt supportive of SWB? I dont read LSD threads like that to know. I just check out the BLSDB and General board and then I enjoy a Banana Nutriment.

Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 03, 2005, 02:21:18 PM
WHy is this posted on the BLSD? Shouldn't this be on the general board? I find the situation ironic b/c the proves that Non URM get into top schools with lower stats as well.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: lil_token on March 03, 2005, 02:24:50 PM
WHy is this posted on the BLSD? Shouldn't this be on the general board? I find the situation ironic b/c the proves that Non URM get into top schools with lower stats as well.
Exactly!
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: TomServo on March 03, 2005, 02:30:07 PM
I think it's a massive generalization to claim that everyone wanted her (SWB) to justify her acceptance.  While there are bound to be people frustrated by the nature of the acceptance process, why drag us all down the "potential racist" path? 

Fact is, everyone here recognizes the power of the fairly arbitrary LSAT (As applies to potential performance in LS) to gain us admission into the better schools.  Those who are aware of this power, but still underperform, are opening themselves up to criticism, regardless of race or sex.  It takes all kinds to fill a law school, especially if you want to have an interesting educational experience. 

(Except quiet, bookish types who bring no perspective or discussion to class.  I hate those types.)
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Victor on March 03, 2005, 02:36:20 PM
Who is this Jennaye person?
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: lil_token on March 03, 2005, 02:38:23 PM
I think it's a massive generalization to claim that everyone wanted her (SWB) to justify her acceptance.  While there are bound to be people frustrated by the nature of the acceptance process, why drag us all down the "potential racist" path? 

Fact is, everyone here recognizes the power of the fairly arbitrary LSAT (As applies to potential performance in LS) to gain us admission into the better schools.  Those who are aware of this power, but still underperform, are opening themselves up to criticism, regardless of race or sex.  It takes all kinds to fill a law school, especially if you want to have an interesting educational experience. 

(Except quiet, bookish types who bring no perspective or discussion to class.  I hate those types.)

I apologize for my use of imprecise language, but my point is still valid.  If you look at the thread where SWB posted her acceptence, there was much more demand for validation than a presense of congratulatory spirit.  Whereas, Jennaye's thread, excepting the criticism SWB and I made regarding some of Jennaye's earlier posts, is much more supportive and congratulatory.  What baffles me even more about that is the fact that SWB was much more humble about her acceptance and still had to suffer through senseless flaming.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: lil_token on March 03, 2005, 02:47:40 PM
Who is this Jennaye person?

A white woman who, prior to getting accepted to Boalt with a 160/3.7, made statements to the effect that the only way low-LSAT applicants get into top schools is through AA.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: maricutie on March 03, 2005, 03:54:31 PM
To be fair, I think Jenn was just wondering if the only people getting accepted with below 25th% numbers were there because of AA. But I didn't feel like reading through the entire thread, so I might have missed something.

Although I see the irony in it, I am reminded of the bashing that Lexy got over her S and Y admittance. It seemed like they couldn't bring out excuses quick enough to explain away her acceptances. 
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: lil_token on March 03, 2005, 04:00:51 PM
To be fair, I think Jenn was just wondering if the only people getting accepted with below 25th% numbers were there because of AA. But I didn't feel like reading through the entire thread, so I might have missed something.

Although I see the irony in it, I am reminded of the bashing that Lexy got over her S and Y admittance. It seemed like they couldn't bring out excuses quick enough to explain away her acceptances. 

Mari, I respect your desire to be fair and admit that I strive to that end as well, however, Jennaye said in her pre-Boalt posts that she believed that URM status accounted for low-LSAT acceptances and she reiterated that presumption later in the Boalt thread.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on March 03, 2005, 04:29:54 PM
No surprise, no surprise.  We've been hearing these sentiments for years now.  An alarming number of white students (and black students) feel that blacks ONLY get in b/c of AA while every white student deserves to be there.

The bottom line is that there is no such thing as an AA JD or an AA Bar Passage.  When we get into the real world and those same minorities like Johnnie Cochran, Charlas Hamilton Houston and Thurgood Marshall are grinding their oponents' legal arguments to dust then you tell me who deserved that seat in law school.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Made4law on March 03, 2005, 04:39:26 PM
It's obvious Non-Urm's get into schools with low LSATs just by looking at the amount of while lawyers there are.  If all sub 25 percentile people were URM's we'd have a hell of a lot more attorneys than we do now.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: NickyFitt on March 03, 2005, 04:47:10 PM
If you think that the LSD thread was bad, I followed the link to xoxo's discussion board, where after flaming Jennaye, they say some atrocious stuff about AA. 

I can't believe that these are the entitled a-holes we have to go to law school with.  If these are America's future lawyers, I seriously fear for the future of affirmative action.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: maricutie on March 03, 2005, 05:01:27 PM
Mari, I respect your desire to be fair and admit that I strive to that end as well, however, Jennaye said in her pre-Boalt posts that she believed that URM status accounted for low-LSAT acceptances and she reiterated that presumption later in the Boalt thread.

Yeah, that may have been the part that I skipped over. However, I did read Jenn's post after having read the xoxo one first, so maybe it was all a matter of relative perspective ... I'm seconding Nicky's comments here!
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: lil_token on March 03, 2005, 05:08:50 PM
If you think that the LSD thread was bad, I followed the link to xoxo's discussion board, where after flaming Jennaye, they say some atrocious stuff about AA. 

I can't believe that these are the entitled a-holes we have to go to law school with.  If these are America's future lawyers, I seriously fear for the future of affirmative action.

I agree, what they said about her and AA was uncalled-for, however, her behavior on that thread wasn't exactly the best exemplar of humility.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 03, 2005, 05:28:08 PM
The Jen girl is getting trashed in the xoxo thread. Why is there so much animosity towards Boalt?
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: lil_token on March 03, 2005, 05:31:52 PM
The Jen girl is getting trashed in the xoxo thread. Why is there so much animosity towards Boalt?

She kind of brought it on herself with quotes like these:

"AHAHAH.. the fac that you TTT douchebags are all so freaked out about this shows your insecurities.


I will end up in the top 5% of my class, just as I did in undergraduate (despite a mediocre SAT score).


xoxo, hth"

AND:

"face it boys, I have intelligence, money, looks, and now an acceptance to a T14 law school. What's wrong with your self esteem that makes it so difficult for you to accept that?"

Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 03, 2005, 05:34:20 PM
Wow, I lost all sympathy for homechick.  ???

Actually I never had any for her.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: maricutie on March 03, 2005, 05:37:52 PM
The Jen girl is getting trashed in the xoxo thread. Why is there so much animosity towards Boalt?

She kind of brought it on herself with quotes like these:

"AHAHAH.. the fac that you third tier toilet douchebags are all so freaked out about this shows your insecurities.


I will end up in the top 5% of my class, just as I did in undergraduate (despite a mediocre SAT score).


xoxo, hth"

AND:

"face it boys, I have intelligence, money, looks, and now an acceptance to a T14 law school. What's wrong with your self esteem that makes it so difficult for you to accept that?"


I'm being devil's advocate here again, but those xoxo-ers really make one very angry. No excuse for comments like that, but I can see how the lack of a few seconds of foresight in the heat of anger can come off looking like arrogance. To xoxo, of course, this only becomes fuel for the fire ...
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 03, 2005, 05:46:03 PM
Eh it's the internet. Most of those xoxoers are probably not like that in real life. They use the internet as an opporutnity to be a troll. I doubt they are thinking about her after they sign off and go back to their lives.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: maricutie on March 03, 2005, 05:49:49 PM
Eh it's the internet. Most of those xoxoers are probably not like that in real life. They use the internet as an opporutnity to be a troll. I doubt they are thinking about her after they sign off and go back to their lives.

The thought of them doing so, however, is creepy.  :P
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Jennaye on March 03, 2005, 06:09:10 PM
Who is this Jennaye person?

A white woman who, prior to getting accepted to Boalt with a 160/3.7, made statements to the effect that the only way low-LSAT applicants get into top schools is through AA.
Come on now, you're completely misrepresenting what I said.  Please cite the entry where I said this.  Thanks.

(oh, and that was a 3.87, not 3.7)
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: rohan on March 04, 2005, 09:12:00 AM
Who is this Jennaye person?

A white woman who, prior to getting accepted to Boalt with a 160/3.7, made statements to the effect that the only way low-LSAT applicants get into top schools is through AA.
Come on now, you're completely misrepresenting what I said.  Please cite the entry where I said this.  Thanks.

(oh, and that was a 3.87, not 3.7)

I would be interested to see this as well..
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: NYBound05 on March 04, 2005, 11:00:49 AM
Awwww, a thread for me! Lil token, you shouldn't have...

But seriously, this Jennaye girl doesn't have a clue, which makes it VERY hard to have the most simple discussions with her.


I looked at numbers for Boalt and UCLA, and saw that a small pool of applicants with my numbers were admitted.  So, I began to wonder who those people were.  Were they people with outstanding LORs?  Were they people who wrote addendums to explain their LSAT score?  Were they all HYS grads?  Were they URMs?  I just chose the URMs explanation because it seemed like a likely explanation. 


And here's the one from her AA thread:

So I've been looking over the GPA/LSAT charts of applicants/acceptances (for Berkeley and UCLA, specifically) and despite my crappy LSAT score (160), some people in my LSAT/GPA range (3.84 GPA) and even those below my LSAT range were in fact accepted to each school.  (about 15% with my stats, in fact).

Are those who were accepted all URMs?

Why would they accept people with lower LSAT scores while rejecting people with 170+?  I'd like to think it's because they've got outstanding recommendations, extracurriculars, and academic honors (like I do) but I'm still not holding out hope.

For the zillionth time, this is the problem I had with Jennaye. She felt that applicants on LSN who were admitted to Boalt with low numbers were admitted BECAUSE they were URMs.  To her, the "URM Explanation" was sufficient to explain why applicants with relatively low numbers were accepted.  It wasn't because of their superb extras, but b/c they were probably, in her opinion, URMs.

But wait, hold the f-in phone!  There's more folks, and this is the killer, really it is...

When SHE gets accepted to boalt with a low lsat score, well *&^%, it's because of her fabulous extras!  Her research, her community service!  Duh!  Why would anyone think anything else????  ???

That's what pisses me off.  I had all of that and a HELLUVA lot more, but she assumed that applicants like me got in JUST because we are URMs.  She felt that AA can explain the reason that applicants with low numbers got into Boalt--their skin color gained them acceptance, and not any of their accomplishments.  She felt this was the "likely" explanation.  She didn't want to "hold out hope" assuming those applicants had something special in their application aside from their race--she felt that was all they had going for them.

Now I don't expect Jennaye to understand this, really I don't.  She'll probably say she didn't write that quote I posted or some crazy mess, but I don't care.  I posted that primarily for folks on here that don't feel like reading that thread (like Victor and Biting Panther).

As a side note, I also don't like the fact that she told Regal on her AA thread that "it's silly" to be proud of being Black, and that diversity statements are "BS."  I hate ignorance, and statements like these just exude it.  Again, Jennaye is pretty "out there," and I truly hope that she takes a good look at herself prior to entering law school.  If she is unable to understand and comprehend the implications of her own arguments, ESPECIALLY those that are as simple as the one I posted, she will inevitably get eaten alive at boalt, or whatever school she ends up at.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: rohan on March 04, 2005, 11:58:11 AM
Daymnnn...Thanks SWB.  Here quotes pretty much summed it up IMO.  This is an oh so classic case.  She could have at least gone back and deleted her posts if she was going to change her tune....hahaha
Oh well...the beat goes on.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 04, 2005, 12:08:51 PM
SWB she's a tool. In her eyes you got into Boalt b/c of your race/ethnicity, but she got in b/c of her fantastic extras.  ::) What a hypocritical c*nt (yeah I said it, don't need to look twice). Not that I'm biased or anything but I bet my future earnings that your credentials are way more impressive than her; but oooooooooooooooooooh no, you got into Boalt b/c of your "negro" heritage. SWB if you do decide to attend Boalt (after your Columbia acceptance of course) please smack her for me. I'll pay you. You can say I did it b/c you know they think all us "negros" look alike anyway.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Jennaye on March 04, 2005, 12:32:11 PM
I could take quotes that all of you said out of context and make you all sound like a bunch of idiots.  Funny how you didn't post my quotes congratulating people (NubianPrincess included), attack bigoted ideas, etc.

I'm sorry if you took my question to mean that I thought URMs are any less intelligent than non-URMs, or whatever bull you seem to be interpreting my words as saying.  That's not what I meant, and honestly, not what I said. 

You say that I'm going to have a hard time in law school (funny, I've never had a problem with people (except some conservatives and all bigots) in my 22 years of existence).  In my opinion, you're going to have a tough time in law school if you try to claim everyone's racist and out to get you.

So, can you just let it go?  I hope so, not just for my sake but for yours as well.  Stop being so damn suspicious of people.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: BIG H2001 on March 04, 2005, 12:41:28 PM
You two should meet up if you both end up at Boalt.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: glascow1 on March 04, 2005, 01:40:22 PM
some people are going to hold on to their faulty logic even while understanding how logic works......there are a lot more Jen..whatever the names out there - thats why it doesn't make sense to try to rationalize with them - they are set in their beliefs.

I know going to law school there are going to be a lot of people who are going to think you are not as smart based on standarized test, or written test , writing paper, or just plain ole intellectual capacity - it all comes down to the fact they dont think you belong there and the only thing you can do is ignore them and kick some gpa a** and have a great time doing it.  Jennaye just proves their are white canditates getting in with lower marks, they of course have the fortune of going under cover unlike URM's.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: NYBound05 on March 04, 2005, 02:02:14 PM
I'm sorry if you took my question to mean that I thought URMs are any less intelligent than non-URMs, or whatever bull you seem to be interpreting my words as saying.  That's not what I meant, and honestly, not what I said. 

You're right. I pulled those quotes out of thin air.  Sweetheart, it doesn't take much interpreting to understand what you meant by those posts.  They're clear as day.  The only person who DOESN'T understand is YOU!


You say that I'm going to have a hard time in law school (funny, I've never had a problem with people (except some conservatives and all bigots) in my 22 years of existence).  In my opinion, you're going to have a tough time in law school if you try to claim everyone's racist and out to get you.

Yeah, you WILL have a hard time in law school if you fail to see underlying assumptions in the most basic and simple arguments, which you obviously have a tendency of doing.  What, I'm making that up too?  You always tell people to go back and "re-read" what you wrote... maybe you should do the same for your posts b/c apparently you're not comprehending what you said.

Btw, I'm LMAO at "out to get you."  Yeah Jennaye, I'm posting all this because I think you're out to get me...  ::) Damn, how come I'm not shakin in my boots?  Maybe you should forget law school and go into comedy, b/c this just keeps getting better and better...



So, can you just let it go?  I hope so, not just for my sake but for yours as well.  Stop being so damn suspicious of people.

I'll let it go when you stop posting trying to justify and re-design your initial arguments.  Either admit you were wrong or just stop posting about the damn topic.  My sake is not at stake here.  You should take a good look at yourself and wake the hell up.  Everyone on here who has any common sense and truly understands what's going on is just shaking their head at you.  You're making yourself look really silly...honestly.  So just stop...for your sake.  :-[
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Jennaye on March 04, 2005, 02:26:09 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree.

See you at Boalt?
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: wulfette on March 04, 2005, 02:37:00 PM
Quote
Why would they accept people with lower LSAT scores while rejecting people with 170+?  I'd like to think it's because they've got outstanding recommendations, extracurriculars, and academic honors (like I do) but I'm still not holding out hope.



Uuh, I think people are taking this to mean she doesn't hold out hope that the ec's are the reason. (and so thinking URM status is) I think it means she's not holding out hope for herself, even if she believes the other things matter a bit. Jennaye? 

I think reading it that way makes it fine.  Please correct me if I'm wrong about the implications of reading it the other way.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: 'lit on March 05, 2005, 01:48:05 AM
I'm being devil's advocate here again, but those xoxo-ers really make one very angry. No excuse for comments like that, but I can see how the lack of a few seconds of foresight in the heat of anger can come off looking like arrogance. To xoxo, of course, this only becomes fuel for the fire ...

this is true, in that there is no "right" response to people freaking out about your acceptances. they want to know why  it happened, and if you try to make sense of what soft factors what might have helped, then you're arrogant & claiming you "deserve" it; if you acknowledge you didn't "deserve" it then you're grilled as to whether it was a mistake and completely random and you are, in fact, far too stupid for said school. of 100 different responses there isn't one that will satisfy anyone, let alone everyone, in that situation.

swb, i never saw the thread in which you took heat for your acceptance, but i'm sure sorry it happened, and even more sorry about the attitude re race & LS prevalent on xo and frequently revealed here too.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Victor on March 05, 2005, 04:18:09 AM
Its sad how 2 chicks got into schools of their choice, good schools I may add . . . and there is bickering. This is an inconsequential matter, there shouldnt be any squabbling.

This is supposed to be a moment of celebration for you guys. I just dont get . . .
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: HippieLawChick on March 11, 2005, 11:00:12 AM
Part of the problem here is this:  LSN was set up so we could compare ourselves with others. Constant comparisons can lead to envy. The only info we have in some cases are the numbers. Unfortunately, the numbers don't tell the whole story.  There is no site that allows posting of transcripts, LSAT writing samples, Personal Statements and entire apps.  I don't think there should be. 

You have no idea what really makes the others here special/unique enough in order to be admitted.   However, I know that every single person here believes that they are different, unique and special - and definitely not only because of a certain number, or box checked on an application.


If you know that you are different, unique and deserve admittance to the best schools, why would you doubt that anyone else is?   How can you assume anything?  A good attorney makes no assumptions until all the facts have been presented...keep that in mind!
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on March 11, 2005, 11:24:03 AM
here here

I don't know why any of you keep messing with xoxo.  There are no hugs and kisses on xoxo.  Only self entitled brats squirming in their seats about law school acceptances, killing anything that moves.

Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 11, 2005, 11:25:58 AM
xoxo is like LSDs retarded stepchild that gets locked up in the basement.
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on March 11, 2005, 11:29:18 AM
xoxo is the standard website for the most hateful people from LSD to go and be with others with like minds.

even the worst posts I've seen on here don't begin to compare to the garbage on xoxo. 
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 11, 2005, 11:30:13 AM
So what's the worse post you've seen? Hahaha
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Victor on March 13, 2005, 03:27:08 PM
here here

I don't know why any of you keep messing with xoxo.  There are no hugs and kisses on xoxo.  Only self entitled brats squirming in their seats about law school acceptances, killing anything that moves.




No hugs and kisses
Just slugs and disses
From herbs and pussies
With hair thats bushy
They close to the edge
Saying dont push me
They just mad at themselves
Leeching off their dads wealth
Names like Matt and Lizzie
Homes with TV's watching Disney


Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Victor on March 13, 2005, 03:36:23 PM
Our chains glow in the dark
You about to get cuss out like driving slow in New York
Rhymes is silky smooth like Shea Butter on black people
Im just walking all over you like you the avenue
Plus my poodle shiets on you
And I aint pooping a scoop you dupe
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Victor on March 13, 2005, 03:56:25 PM
You dumb like Inspector Gadget
When you get a C you place it on a fridge with a magnet
You disgust me
You look dumb like a white person with a gumby
Son dont test me
I rep Park Slope
Where we will gladly sprinkle bacon bits in your oatmeal
You have been warned . . . forreal
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: rohan on March 14, 2005, 10:29:55 AM
Yo Vic, who's that?
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: Victor on March 14, 2005, 10:48:32 AM
Yo Vic, who's that?

The lyrics? Thats just me freestyling . . . lol
Title: Re: Who else finds this situation ironic? (SWB vs. Jennaye)
Post by: rohan on March 14, 2005, 10:52:36 AM
Yo Vic, who's that?

The lyrics? Thats just me freestyling . . . lol

Fuh real bro? I was actually over here like, "I wonder who that is, it's different, but it's actually alright"

"When you get a C you place it on a fridge with a magnet"- LOl'd at this line.