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Title: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 11, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
sup everyone?
Title: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 21, 2005, 08:29:57 PM
Hello Ladies. Let's start anew. We can talk about politics, sex, health, issues or whatever, but I will not tolerate any bickering over little girly *&^%. Take that elsewhere. Leave your insecurities at the door, unless you need support from the sisterhood. Men and women of all races are encouraged to post, just know your place  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on February 21, 2005, 08:32:29 PM
Speak on it, girl.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 21, 2005, 08:37:05 PM
So black women's thread vs. woman's thread? If the thread is suppose to include everyone, why not call it a woman's thread? Hmmm interesting.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 21, 2005, 08:42:29 PM
So black women's thread vs. woman's thread? If the thread is suppose to include everyone, why not call it a woman's thread? Hmmm interesting.

Because it's within the realm of the Black Law Student's Discussion Board. As anyone is welcolmed to post within the BLSDB they ultimately know that Black students' interests comes first. This should be obvious. However, if you feel unwelcomed to post here whatever reason, you can feel free to PM me and we can discuss your issues further and I will consider them.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 21, 2005, 08:44:40 PM
your diplomacy brings hope to the rest of the world. 

gimme a minute.  i'm taking my last post on that other board back!   >:(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 21, 2005, 08:47:15 PM
Why would I feel uncomfortable about posting on a thread about black women? Unlike some people, I'm not ultra sensitive about what is said on here. In fact I support a BLACK woman's thread to be quite honest. Just playing devil's advocate for my own entertainment.

Black power!  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 21, 2005, 09:00:20 PM
Not trying to be diplomatic, just tired of seeing women always tearing each other down. There's no reason for that. Of course we're not all going to get along but attacking each other's character will get us no where, and this applies to all women, but especially to black women. If we're going to argue over some *&^%, let's argue over the validity of each other's points. I often wonder why this plague is so prevelant between black women, a friend threw out the idea it's b/c we find ourselves in the minority, b/c our society is so male dominant. It would be interesting to see what other ladies think.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 21, 2005, 09:12:40 PM


I know you aren't talking about black women. Yesterday I saw Maria fighting Pablo over some oranges. I don't know why they were mad b/c they were both selling roses. At least when black people fight, the police can break them up, but Mexicans don't stop fighting until immigration shows up.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 21, 2005, 09:14:23 PM


I know you aren't talking about black women. Yesterday I saw Maria fighting Pablo over some oranges. I don't know why they were mad b/c they were both selling roses. At least when black people fight, the police can break them up, but Mexicans don't stop fighting until immigration shows up.



 :o
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 21, 2005, 09:15:47 PM
You guys are going to have to create a new thread. This one is going to get ugly.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 21, 2005, 09:19:58 PM
You guys are going to have to create a new thread. This one is going to get ugly.

Oh hell's naw we ain't. I'm not having it  >:( You'se just wanna be starting something--> K that last part came from the fact that BET is having a Michael Jackson marathon. I say he should've stopped at "I Wanna Rock With You" And I want his silver boots too.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 21, 2005, 09:22:38 PM
Man...show love to Mike...It's a conspiracy. "The Man" is setting Mike up b/c they want the rights to the Beetles Catalogue.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 21, 2005, 09:23:38 PM
You guys are going to have to create a new thread. This one is going to get ugly.

Oh hell's naw we ain't. I'm not having it  >:( You'se just wanna be starting something--> K that last part came from the fact that BET is having a Michael Jackson marathon. I say he should've stopped at "I Wanna Rock With You" And I want his silver boots too.

We haven't even reached 15 posts and its alrady about angry ass black women throwing punches and Mexicans arguing over oranges. Not good I say. I'm not starting anything. I'm innocent.

by the way, seu, regal said something about your mom.

That's right. I'm innocent.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 21, 2005, 09:29:07 PM
RM: don't you have a mirror you should be fawning over?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 21, 2005, 09:29:31 PM
I refuse to dignify the posts of any person who looks great in numbers but who is too socially inept to treat someone with respect.  Just as the BLSD ignores racist remarks when some troll decides to post, I, too, am ignoring all ignorant posts directed at me or anyone else from here on.  
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 21, 2005, 09:31:45 PM
Awww *&^%  :-[ :-\ :( Ladies, ladies. I don't care if you want to fight with each other. Just please, respect, not here.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 21, 2005, 09:33:41 PM
You guys really shouldn't be fighting. There is enough RBG to go around. Seriously though, just drop it and talk about panty lines, or whatever "you people" like to discuss.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 21, 2005, 09:34:42 PM
RM: don't you have a mirror you should be fawning over?

pa que le haces caso a la pendejia?

lol.

Si, eso mismo estaba pensando. You took the high road, girl ... and out of respect, I should as well.


Aiight ... anyone want to suggest a topic? My shaving vs. waxing topic didn't go very far on the other thread ...


RBG: LOL ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 21, 2005, 09:34:54 PM
Yeah I know I'm coming out of left field but making a gross generalization like "black women are hostile towards other women" is about as ignorant as Juan, Maria, and the oranges. ::)

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 21, 2005, 09:35:10 PM
RM: don't you have a mirror you should be fawning over?

pa que le haces caso a la pendejia?

lol.

HEY! No spanish. What does that mean?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 21, 2005, 09:36:16 PM
RM: don't you have a mirror you should be fawning over?

pa que le haces caso a la pendejia?

lol.

Hey! I hate that *&^%.  >:( Especially when you be getting your hair done and the damn Dominicans be talking in Spanish and you don't know what the hell they're saying, but you could've sworn one of them slightly glanced your way, and you wanna grab that female dog by her hair but you wouldn't be justified 'cause you have no clue what she said  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 21, 2005, 09:37:53 PM
LOL That can be applied to the Senegalese hair braiders too ::)  Goodness, I hate that!

RM: don't you have a mirror you should be fawning over?

pa que le haces caso a la pendejia?

lol.

Hey! I hate that sh*t.  >:( Especially when you be getting your hair done and the damn Dominicans be talking in Spanish and you don't know what the hell they're saying, but you could've sworn one of them slightly glanced your way, and you wanna grab that female dog by her hair but you wouldn't be justified 'cause you have no clue what she said  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 21, 2005, 09:38:11 PM
RM: don't you have a mirror you should be fawning over?

pa que le haces caso a la pendejia?

lol.

Si, eso mismo estaba pensando. You took the high road, girl ... and out of respect, I should as well.


Aiight ... anyone want to suggest a topic? My shaving vs. waxing topic didn't go very far on the other thread ...


RBG: LOL ;)

lol.  mari, i posted a response to you, but then i erased it when i saw ladyday's new thread.  i'll post it in a minute.  too many men on here, i feel.

um, but now you know why i don't go off on the people who tick me off.  respect.  i respect some of the ladies on here, and me badmouthing them would be the same to me as cussing in front of mi mami.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 21, 2005, 09:39:26 PM
Man...show love to Mike...It's a conspiracy. "The Man" is setting Mike up b/c they want the rights to the Beetles Catalogue.

The part about them wanting his Beetles Catalogue is true, but Mike set his damn self up. I'm sorry, I love Mike just as much as the next man but I'm tired of making excuses for black people "gone wrong". He needs help.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 21, 2005, 09:40:22 PM
Yeah I know I'm coming out of left field but making a gross generalization like "black women are hostile towards other women" is about as ignorant as Juan, Maria, and the oranges. ::)


Fair enough, but I think Seu was just asking ... sure, she could have phrased it better, but she's been around long enough on the BLSB for people to figure out that, well, that's not really like her to act on generalizations.

Ladyday: Fine, fine ... I was thinking about adding a translation, but just got lazy ;). I hate it when it happens to me too. Essentially, seu was saying "why are you paying attention to her?," to which I responded, "yes, I was thinking the same thing." Peace!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 21, 2005, 09:43:59 PM
Yeah I know I'm coming out of left field but making a gross generalization like "black women are hostile towards other women" is about as ignorant as Juan, Maria, and the oranges. ::)



i hope you didn't gather that generalization from my post.  what i meant to say is that the only people i have seen initiating brawls with other women and with men have been black women.  that's just what i've seen.  i'm NOT saying that black women do this all the time and with others, nor that all are the same.

hey, i feel safer going out with my black friends who aren't afraid to throw it down.  i'd rather be with them than with some scared female of another race who's not going to have my back if need be.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 21, 2005, 09:47:38 PM
oy vey!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 21, 2005, 09:48:36 PM
LOL That can be applied to the Senegalese hair braiders too ::)  Goodness, I hate that!

RM: don't you have a mirror you should be fawning over?

pa que le haces caso a la pendejia?

lol.

Hey! I hate that sh*t.  >:( Especially when you be getting your hair done and the damn Dominicans be talking in Spanish and you don't know what the hell they're saying, but you could've sworn one of them slightly glanced your way, and you wanna grab that female dog by her hair but you wouldn't be justified 'cause you have no clue what she said  ;)

Man! I have the funniest story about that *&^%. When I was in Senegal I was getting my hair braided. So the bitches didn't know that one of my friends new French really well. So these bitches are talking about how they was going to overcharge me and *&^%. So when our "sister" who knew English left the room, my friend who knew French looked one of the chicks dead in her face and was like "You f-ing female dog, You Stank Ass f-ing female dog!" and kept saying it over and over. And the real funny part was the girl started smiling all stupidly 'cause she had no idea what she was saying.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 21, 2005, 09:49:25 PM
It's cool.  It just seemed as if you were generalizing; all black women do not fit the "angry black woman" stereotype nor are they always ready to fight...

Yeah I know I'm coming out of left field but making a gross generalization like "black women are hostile towards other women" is about as ignorant as Juan, Maria, and the oranges. ::)



i hope you didn't gather that generalization from my post.  what i meant to say is that the only people i have seen initiating brawls with other women and with men have been black women.  that's just what i've seen.  i'm NOT saying that black women do this all the time and with others, nor that all are the same.

hey, i feel safer going out with my black friends who aren't afraid to throw it down.  i'd rather be with them than with some scared female of another race who's not going to have my back if need be.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 21, 2005, 09:52:36 PM
LOL That can be applied to the Senegalese hair braiders too ::)  Goodness, I hate that!

RM: don't you have a mirror you should be fawning over?

pa que le haces caso a la pendejia?

lol.

Hey! I hate that sh*t.  >:( Especially when you be getting your hair done and the damn Dominicans be talking in Spanish and you don't know what the hell they're saying, but you could've sworn one of them slightly glanced your way, and you wanna grab that female dog by her hair but you wouldn't be justified 'cause you have no clue what she said  ;)

Man! I have the funniest story about that sh*t. When I was in Senegal I was getting my hair braided. So the bitches didn't know that one of my friends new French really well. So these bitches are talking about how they was going to overcharge me and sh*t. So when our "sister" who knew English left the room, my friend who knew French looked one of the chicks dead in her face and was like "You f-ing female dog, You Stank Ass f-ing female dog!" and kept saying it over and over. And the real funny part was the girl started smiling all stupidly 'cause she had no idea what she was saying.

LMAO! That is classic...too bad I can't do that to the ones in the states because they know enough English to get around.  Why is there such hostility between Africans and African Americans?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 21, 2005, 09:53:04 PM
LOL That can be applied to the Senegalese hair braiders too ::)  Goodness, I hate that!

RM: don't you have a mirror you should be fawning over?

pa que le haces caso a la pendejia?

lol.

Hey! I hate that sh*t.  >:( Especially when you be getting your hair done and the damn Dominicans be talking in Spanish and you don't know what the hell they're saying, but you could've sworn one of them slightly glanced your way, and you wanna grab that female dog by her hair but you wouldn't be justified 'cause you have no clue what she said  ;)

Man! I have the funniest story about that sh*t. When I was in Senegal I was getting my hair braided. So the bitches didn't know that one of my friends new French really well. So these bitches are talking about how they was going to overcharge me and sh*t. So when our "sister" who knew English left the room, my friend who knew French looked one of the chicks dead in her face and was like "You f-ing female dog, You Stank Ass f-ing female dog!" and kept saying it over and over. And the real funny part was the girl started smiling all stupidly 'cause she had no idea what she was saying.

i've had other mexicans talking smack in my face thinking i don't know spanish.  it's pretty hilarious to come back at them in their language.  they don't know how to come back from that one!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on February 21, 2005, 09:58:10 PM
Yo I dont like that Seu lady . . ..  she asked if dating a black man counts for anything for the purpose of the BLSD. I simply replied that she doesnt get rebate points for dating a black man. Why do other races feel they can talk about black issues because they date a black man . . . like they can talk on issues through proxy or something. Dating a black man doesnt give you some kind of authority. It's insulting to say that. We are not college course you can just put on your resume.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 21, 2005, 09:58:55 PM


Bluenine: There is a lot of hostility towards Americans in general because a lot of Americans are somewhat disrespectful when they go to overseas. As for Africans, some of them only see the negative images of African Americans on tv, so they have the preconceived stereotype.


EDIT: Do not censor my post please. If necessary move it to the hater board.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 21, 2005, 10:04:31 PM
 >:( beyond being angry I'm just sad. Can we ever just have some civilized *&^%. Ladies, your have your women's "issues" thread. Keep it there. Bluenine and Victor, ya'll have some valid topics I would love to discuss so tomorrow's another day. Night everyone.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 21, 2005, 10:06:31 PM
>:( beyond being angry I'm just sad. Can we ever just have some civilized sh*t. Ladies, your have your women's "issues" thread. Keep it there. Bluenine and Victor, ya'll have some valid topics I would love to discuss so tomorrow's another day. Night everyone.

Good Night
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 21, 2005, 10:06:41 PM
Yo I dont like that Seu lady . . ..  she asked if dating a black man counts for anything for the purpose of the BLSD. I simply replied that she doesnt get rebate points for dating a black man. Why do other races feel they can talk about black issues because they date a black man . . . like they can talk on issues through proxy or something. Dating a black man doesnt give you some kind of authority. It's insulting to say that. We are not college course you can just put on your resume.

you're the one who brought up the race issue, victor.  the very first post you ever directed at me related to race.  you asked if i was black.  i said that i wasn't, but that i dated a black man.  i'm going to find that post and put it up here.


i know that dating a black man doesn't give me authority, and if anything, i'm on this board to learn more from the amazing people with incredible ideals that post their opinions.  my man's race and culture is not trivial or a laughing matter to me.  if you misunderstood what i was saying or if you took it the wrong way, then i suggest you go back and read my previous posts and you will see that i respect my man's culture as my own and that of my children.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 21, 2005, 10:12:17 PM
Grr my post got deleted. I guess someone went whinning to the moderators. CUTE.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: NYBound05 on February 21, 2005, 10:13:02 PM
You guys are going to have to create a new thread. This one is going to get ugly.

Oh hell's naw we ain't. I'm not having it  >:( You'se just wanna be starting something--> K that last part came from the fact that BET is having a Michael Jackson marathon. I say he should've stopped at "I Wanna Rock With You" And I want his silver boots too.

LOL me and pharoah were watchin that all morning...um, well among other things. :::coughs::::  ;)

But yeah I LOVE M.J.  Did you see that Remember the Time video?  That's my favorite, hands down... and I hardly recognized Naomi Campbell.  She was so gorgeous in that In the Closet video.  Count on me to be drug free, foreal  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 21, 2005, 10:15:28 PM
You guys are going to have to create a new thread. This one is going to get ugly.

Oh hell's naw we ain't. I'm not having it  >:( You'se just wanna be starting something--> K that last part came from the fact that BET is having a Michael Jackson marathon. I say he should've stopped at "I Wanna Rock With You" And I want his silver boots too.

LOL me and pharoah were watchin that all morning...um, well among other things. :::coughs::::  ;)

But yeah I LOVE M.J.  Did you see that Remember the Time video?  That's my favorite, hands down... and I hardly recognized Naomi Campbell.  She was so gorgeous in that In the Closet video.  Count on me to be drug free, foreal  :-\

meh.
"Billie Jean" is a way better video.
I should buy a copy of Moonwalker; i used to love that *&^% when i was a little kid. Do you remember the arcade game? i forgot the premise, but it was deliciously absurd.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 21, 2005, 10:16:45 PM
Grr my post got deleted. I guess someone went whinning to the moderators. CUTE.



not i.  i was wondering where it went.  i got to read it though.  that was quite a thing for a female with a self-proclaimed oral affection to say.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 21, 2005, 10:18:19 PM
I'm sure you had something to do with my post getting removed. What happened to ignoring me Seu?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 21, 2005, 10:20:00 PM

meh.
"Billie Jean" is a way better video.
I should buy a copy of Moonwalker; i used to love that sh*t when i was a little kid. Do you remember the arcade game? i forgot the premise, but it was deliciously absurd.

That was on Sega too, I believe. "Deliciously absurd" - hot! hahaha
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 21, 2005, 10:21:25 PM
I'm sure you had something to do with my post getting removed. What happened to ignoring me Seu?

i didn't RM.  i'm not afraid of a few little words, so it would be pointless for me to ask to have your garbage removed.  obviously, though, i'm not the only one who's tired of reading the nonsense you post.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 21, 2005, 10:23:56 PM
If my garbage was removed then I hope the BS you posted was removed as well. Seu, no one sympathizes with you, in fact everyone is laughing behind your back.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on February 21, 2005, 10:27:13 PM
>:( beyond being angry I'm just sad. Can we ever just have some civilized *&^%. Ladies, your have your women's "issues" thread. Keep it there. Bluenine and Victor, ya'll have some valid topics I would love to discuss so tomorrow's another day. Night everyone.

Ok, good night.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 21, 2005, 10:27:32 PM
Victor:

Your post was probably not meant for me, but as the only other non-black female poster here, I feel compelled to respond. As a member of "another race," yes, I do feel like I can talk about black issues. And brown issues. And white issues. Because we're living in a society where ALL of these issues are interacting every single freaking day, whether in front of our faces or in the back of an alley somewhere. Simply as a member of society, simply as a member of several minority groups -- female, hispanic -- I DO feel the need to be curious about the black issues. I DO feel the need to question. And to respond. And to otherwise converse about black issues. Alot of people will bring up their experience with the black community in order to "justify" or ground their opinions ... but hey, give some credit to Seu for, unlike many in society, putting her money where her mouth is by wholeheartedly giving up her heart to a member of the black race.

That said, I hate to see this thread go down the tubes. We women of color need to stick together, join in our differences and embrace our heterogenity without feeling like it threatens our cultural authenticity. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but I feel sick to my stomach seeing all this racism and catfighting IN A THREAD DEVOTED TO WOMEN OF COLOR!!  :'(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 21, 2005, 10:29:27 PM
If my garbage was removed then I hope the BS you posted was removed as well. Seu, no one sympathizes with you, in fact everyone is laughing behind your back.

omg, your tv is so lame, regal. get a flat screen-- it's the 21st century.

don't take pictures of the lame stuff in your room.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 21, 2005, 10:30:17 PM
Victor:

Your post was probably not meant for me, but as the only other non-black female poster here, I feel compelled to respond. As a member of "another race," yes, I do feel like I can talk about black issues. And brown issues. And white issues. Because we're living in a society where ALL of these issues are interacting every single freaking day, whether in front of our faces or in the back of an alley somewhere. Simply as a member of society, simply as a member of several minority groups -- female, hispanic -- I DO feel the need to be curious about the black issues. I DO feel the need to question. And to respond. And to otherwise converse about black issues. Alot of people will bring up their experience with the black community in order to "justify" or ground their opinions ... but hey, give some credit to Seu for, unlike many in society, putting her money where her mouth is by wholeheartedly giving up her heart to a member of the black race.

That said, I hate to see this thread go down the tubes. We women of color need to stick together, join in our differences and embrace our heterogenity without feeling like it threatens our cultural authenticity. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but I feel sick to my stomach seeing all this racism and catfighting IN A THREAD DEVOTED TO WOMEN OF COLOR!!  :'(

Well said. I agree.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 21, 2005, 10:32:45 PM
GIRL this is not cribs!  That TV belongs to my roommate! My money goes into other stuff LOL. Buy me a flat screen!

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 21, 2005, 10:34:37 PM
If my garbage was removed then I hope the BS you posted was removed as well. Seu, no one sympathizes with you, in fact everyone is laughing behind your back.

omg, your tv is so lame, regal. get a flat screen-- it's the 21st century.

don't take pictures of the lame stuff in your room.

Do you see that big ass beta system underneath it? What you watch with that thing Regal, Star Wars? I bet the remote control is bigger than an X Box. HAHAHA
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 21, 2005, 10:35:30 PM
Like HBCU said...my dorm looks like a prison...I should have lived at work where it's comfortable and I have a fireplace in my room.

HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: NYBound05 on February 21, 2005, 11:02:11 PM
Ohmygosh, how many ladies remember THIS song??  I heard it on the radio the other day and literally went insane.  Definitely one of my all-time favorite sexy songs...

Spoken:
Hey baby, you said you need someone to be there for you
To love you all night long?
It's kinda funny but I don't think you have to look no further
Because I'm right here and I'm ready
To do all the things your man won't do

Verse 1:
Tell me what kind of man would treat his woman so cold
Treat you like you're nothing when you're worth more than gold
Girl to me you're like a diamond I love the way you shine
A hundred million dollar treasure
I'd give the world to make you mine (la la la la la)
I'd put a string of pearls right in your hand
Make love on a beach of jet black sand
Outside in the rain we can do it all night
I'll touch all the places he would not
And some he never knew would get you hot
Nothing is forbidden when we touch

CHORUS:
Baby I wanna do all the things your man won't do (every little thing)
I'll do them for you
Baby I wanna do all the things your man won't do
I'll do them for you

VERSE 2:
Take you out on a night cruise on a yatch just can't lose
Cause we got a lot to look forward to one two whatcha gonna do
What good is a diamond nobody can see
I hear he got you on lockdown but I got the master key yeah
I'll light up all the candles all around
Show me to the subway I'll go down
Nothing can be sweeter than the sound of making love
Baby when I start I just can't stop
I'll love you from the bottom to the top
Nothing is forbidden when we touch baby

CHORUS

HOOK:
(La la la la la)
I'll light up all the candles all around
Show me to the subway I'll go down
Nothing can be sweeter than the sound of making love
Baby when I start I just can't stop
I'll love you from the bottom to the top
Nothing is forbidden when we touch oooh yeah

CHORUS II:
Baby I wanna do all the things your man won't do (I'm gonna I'm gonna ohhh)
I'll do them for you
Sweet lady I wanna do all the things your man won't do
I'll do them for you

VAMP:
Oooh I gotta a jones in my bones for you
There ain't a damn thing that I won't do
Make your body cream with my sex machine
I won't stop until I hear your mother scream

CHORUS OUT:
All the things your man won't do...
All the things your man won't do...
All the things your man won't do...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on February 21, 2005, 11:08:05 PM
Victor:

Your post was probably not meant for me, but as the only other non-black female poster here, I feel compelled to respond. As a member of "another race," yes, I do feel like I can talk about black issues. And brown issues. And white issues. Because we're living in a society where ALL of these issues are interacting every single freaking day, whether in front of our faces or in the back of an alley somewhere. Simply as a member of society, simply as a member of several minority groups -- female, hispanic -- I DO feel the need to be curious about the black issues. I DO feel the need to question. And to respond. And to otherwise converse about black issues. Alot of people will bring up their experience with the black community in order to "justify" or ground their opinions ... but hey, give some credit to Seu for, unlike many in society, putting her money where her mouth is by wholeheartedly giving up her heart to a member of the black race.

That said, I hate to see this thread go down the tubes. We women of color need to stick together, join in our differences and embrace our heterogenity without feeling like it threatens our cultural authenticity. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but I feel sick to my stomach seeing all this racism and catfighting IN A THREAD DEVOTED TO WOMEN OF COLOR!!  :'(


Seu asked if she could use her black boyfriend for points. Like BLSDB is a law school and her boyfriend was some extra-cirriculum activity. We welcome everybody to BLSDB . . . but just know if you say something stupid like that you will get checked. Dont ever came at me like that . . . YOU HEAR ME??

Nonetheless . . .  I'm in a gleeful mood . . . don't mess with me. Ciao!!


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: cali444 on February 21, 2005, 11:19:39 PM
Ohmygosh, how many ladies remember THIS song??  I heard it on the radio the other day and literally went insane.  Definitely one of my all-time favorite sexy songs...

Spoken:
Hey baby, you said you need someone to be there for you
To love you all night long?
It's kinda funny but I don't think you have to look no further
Because I'm right here and I'm ready
To do all the things your man won't do

Verse 1:
Tell me what kind of man would treat his woman so cold
Treat you like you're nothing when you're worth more than gold
Girl to me you're like a diamond I love the way you shine
A hundred million dollar treasure
I'd give the world to make you mine (la la la la la)
I'd put a string of pearls right in your hand
Make love on a beach of jet black sand
Outside in the rain we can do it all night
I'll touch all the places he would not
And some he never knew would get you hot
Nothing is forbidden when we touch

CHORUS:
Baby I wanna do all the things your man won't do (every little thing)
I'll do them for you
Baby I wanna do all the things your man won't do
I'll do them for you

VERSE 2:
Take you out on a night cruise on a yatch just can't lose
Cause we got a lot to look forward to one two whatcha gonna do
What good is a diamond nobody can see
I hear he got you on lockdown but I got the master key yeah
I'll light up all the candles all around
Show me to the subway I'll go down
Nothing can be sweeter than the sound of making love
Baby when I start I just can't stop
I'll love you from the bottom to the top
Nothing is forbidden when we touch baby

CHORUS

HOOK:
(La la la la la)
I'll light up all the candles all around
Show me to the subway I'll go down
Nothing can be sweeter than the sound of making love
Baby when I start I just can't stop
I'll love you from the bottom to the top
Nothing is forbidden when we touch oooh yeah

CHORUS II:
Baby I wanna do all the things your man won't do (I'm gonna I'm gonna ohhh)
I'll do them for you
Sweet lady I wanna do all the things your man won't do
I'll do them for you

VAMP:
Oooh I gotta a jones in my bones for you
There ain't a damn thing that I won't do
Make your body cream with my sex machine
I won't stop until I hear your mother scream

CHORUS OUT:
All the things your man won't do...
All the things your man won't do...
All the things your man won't do...



Aaah!  I used to love that song so much but I haven't heard it in years.  Seriously, that song is the only thing that got me through the summer of 96 (I think that's when it was).  Maybe I'll download it later...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on February 21, 2005, 11:54:01 PM
Aaah!  I used to love that song so much but I haven't heard it in years.  Seriously, that song is the only thing that got me through the summer of 96 (I think that's when it was).  Maybe I'll download it later...

Hey you . . .  :)

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: NYBound05 on February 22, 2005, 12:00:08 AM
Ohmygosh, how many ladies remember THIS song??  I heard it on the radio the other day and literally went insane.  Definitely one of my all-time favorite sexy songs...

Spoken:
Hey baby, you said you need someone to be there for you
To love you all night long?
It's kinda funny but I don't think you have to look no further
Because I'm right here and I'm ready
To do all the things your man won't do

Verse 1:
Tell me what kind of man would treat his woman so cold
Treat you like you're nothing when you're worth more than gold
Girl to me you're like a diamond I love the way you shine
A hundred million dollar treasure
I'd give the world to make you mine (la la la la la)
I'd put a string of pearls right in your hand
Make love on a beach of jet black sand
Outside in the rain we can do it all night
I'll touch all the places he would not
And some he never knew would get you hot
Nothing is forbidden when we touch

CHORUS:
Baby I wanna do all the things your man won't do (every little thing)
I'll do them for you
Baby I wanna do all the things your man won't do
I'll do them for you

VERSE 2:
Take you out on a night cruise on a yatch just can't lose
Cause we got a lot to look forward to one two whatcha gonna do
What good is a diamond nobody can see
I hear he got you on lockdown but I got the master key yeah
I'll light up all the candles all around
Show me to the subway I'll go down
Nothing can be sweeter than the sound of making love
Baby when I start I just can't stop
I'll love you from the bottom to the top
Nothing is forbidden when we touch baby

CHORUS

HOOK:
(La la la la la)
I'll light up all the candles all around
Show me to the subway I'll go down
Nothing can be sweeter than the sound of making love
Baby when I start I just can't stop
I'll love you from the bottom to the top
Nothing is forbidden when we touch oooh yeah

CHORUS II:
Baby I wanna do all the things your man won't do (I'm gonna I'm gonna ohhh)
I'll do them for you
Sweet lady I wanna do all the things your man won't do
I'll do them for you

VAMP:
Oooh I gotta a jones in my bones for you
There ain't a damn thing that I won't do
Make your body cream with my sex machine
I won't stop until I hear your mother scream

CHORUS OUT:
All the things your man won't do...
All the things your man won't do...
All the things your man won't do...



Aaah!  I used to love that song so much but I haven't heard it in years.  Seriously, that song is the only thing that got me through the summer of 96 (I think that's when it was).  Maybe I'll download it later...

Yes, that is the most beautiful song.  Good for many things..

But I'm nosy--what happened in the summer of 96?  Does it have somethin to do with a dude?  You knew someone was gonna ask! ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 22, 2005, 12:17:28 AM
my brother, although u are calling the ladiezz down...they do that many times...we do that far more...aye got a few blood sisters who can claim that brothers lose their fuching minds too much of the time...however...


one girl aye was with a few years ago was watching a show and kept calling me by the characters in the movie....but it was "d...i...c...k... tracy"...so she

kept yelling out

do it to me "itchy"

aye love ya "flattop"

give it to me "big boy"

fuching nize lick "my donna"

where is "lips"


after she lost track of the plot in rapture...

lips was offed in the first scene...


she loved "not the bath"....not "the bath"

to which


aye was like...what the hell is wrong with my woman???



then she said "sooner or later i always get my man"...then aye realized that she was

dreaming of a movie she had seen a day before...

but aye can tell u the "blowing agriculture" waz worth it....so...

victor, aye am sure u will ignore this post...and that is okay and expected since aye do not think that a great deal of posters on the ldb. are worthy of honest response...and aye take advantage of the "white man;s stagge" and many times people do not understand what aye post and that is okay...


when aye go back to the poetry....aye will post so others can attempt to understand...in the meantime my book is selling so aye don't care...aye had a death in the family which has hurt...but aye will continue to write...


as a fact:

women do call out other men's names during sex!!!

that is a fact! and proven!

they do it about all the time!...sometimes within "the guise" of silence   
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: NYBound05 on February 22, 2005, 12:29:47 AM
my brother, although u are calling the ladiezz down...they do that many times...we do that far more...aye got a few blood sisters who can claim that brothers lose their fuching minds too much of the time...however...


one girl aye was with a few years ago was watching a show and kept calling me by the characters in the movie....but it was "d...i...c...k... tracy"...so she

kept yelling out

do it to me "itchy"

aye love ya "flattop"

give it to me "big boy"

fuching nize lick "my donna"

where is "lips"


after she lost track of the plot in rapture...

lips was offed in the first scene...


she loved "not the bath"....not "the bath"

to which


aye was like...what the hell is wrong with my woman???



then she said "sooner or later i always get my man"...then aye realized that she was

dreaming of a movie she had seen a day before...

but aye can tell u the "blowing agriculture" waz worth it....so...

victor, aye am sure u will ignore this post...and that is okay and expected since aye do not think that a great deal of posters on the ldb. are worthy of honest response...and aye take advantage of the "white man;s stagge" and many times people do not understand what aye post and that is okay...


when aye go back to the poetry....aye will post so others can attempt to understand...in the meantime my book is selling so aye don't care...aye had a death in the family which has hurt...but aye will continue to write...


as a fact:

women do call out other men's names during sex!!!

that is a fact! and proven!

they do it about all the time!...sometimes within "the guise" of silence   

Hey Blue,

What book do you have out??

And I'm truly sorry to hear about the passing of your relative. You and your family will be in my prayers.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 22, 2005, 12:45:35 AM
blessed back to u...

and thank u..

u are going to take a big sail...and rise, and eb, and shine...peace.



check this book out...it is called "global rift"  l.s. stavrianos, global rift: "The Third World Comes of Age"...that is part of my reading material for black history month...check it out...!!!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 22, 2005, 12:49:10 AM
blessed back to u...

and thank u..

u are going to take a big sail...and rise, and eb, and shine...peace.



check this book out...it is called "global rift"  l.s. stavrianos, global rift: "The Third World Comes of Age"...that is part of my reading material for black history month...check it out...!!!

also, aye keep re-reading "the women" of the quo aran...and some verses that are interesting...

and a partial book from corinthians by a man named paul, about "love"....and some verses from that...otherwise aye am a little distraught...but have to keep working the "think tank"...so see you later..and keep watching the headlines and the news and the pope.

px.o.rsta
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 22, 2005, 09:12:13 AM
 ::)Hmmm...waxing vs. shaving let's talk about that.  I usually shave or use a dipilatory (sp) cream. 

Has anyone been to a spa (or go regularly) to get waxed?  What are the benefits?  Know of any good home waxing systems?

For the ethnic ladies, especially those with darker skin, do you have trouble with scarring?

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 22, 2005, 09:14:15 AM
Should men shave their chests ladies?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 22, 2005, 09:16:28 AM
Should men shave their chests ladies?

Although taco meat ala Miami Vice is disgusting, I'd prefer it over a metrosexual.  So the answer is no.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 22, 2005, 09:37:34 AM
::)Hmmm...waxing vs. shaving let's talk about that. I usually shave or use a dipilatory (sp) cream.

Has anyone been to a spa (or go regularly) to get waxed? What are the benefits? Know of any good home waxing systems?

For the ethnic ladies, especially those with darker skin, do you have trouble with scarring?



i have trouble with scarring. i think that it is worse for fairer skinned ethnic types because the scars are much more noticeable. i have a bunch of stupid spots on my face, but i am currently getting them faded with a series of microdermabrasions/facial peels.
it's pretty f-ing lame, though.

and unless they are some kind of swimming all-stars, i don't think guys should shave their body hair.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 22, 2005, 09:43:10 AM
::)Hmmm...waxing vs. shaving let's talk about that. I usually shave or use a dipilatory (sp) cream.

Has anyone been to a spa (or go regularly) to get waxed? What are the benefits? Know of any good home waxing systems?

For the ethnic ladies, especially those with darker skin, do you have trouble with scarring?



i have trouble with scarring. i think that it is worse for fairer skinned ethnic types because the scars are much more noticeable. i have a bunch of stupid spots on my face, but i am currently getting them faded with a series of microdermabrasions/facial peels.
it's pretty f-ing lame, though.

and unless they are some kind of swimming all-stars, i don't think guys should shave their body hair.

i have issues with scarring too.  anywhere on my body.  i have really sensitive skin, so i'm really careful not to get any bites or blemishes or cuts.  i bruise really easily too, and it usually takes about 3 months for it to go away completely.  it's such a pain.

how expensive are those derm abrasions?  and didn't you say you did the laser hair removal?  i'm really considering that.  shaving is a pain, and walking around like a sasquatch for 2 weeks whilte the hair gets long enough to wax is unsightly and appalls me.

BTW-  good morning, ladies.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 09:46:12 AM
Man! I have the funniest story about that sh*t. When I was in Senegal I was getting my hair braided. So the bitches didn't know that one of my friends new French really well. So these bitches are talking about how they was going to overcharge me and sh*t. So when our "sister" who knew English left the room, my friend who knew French looked one of the chicks dead in her face and was like "You f-ing female dog, You Stank Ass f-ing female dog!" and kept saying it over and over. And the real funny part was the girl started smiling all stupidly 'cause she had no idea what she was saying.

LMAO! That is classic...too bad I can't do that to the ones in the states because they know enough English to get around.  Why is there such hostility between Africans and African Americans?

I think a lot of it has to do with the mis-perceptions and preconceived notions about each other. When my father first came to the US he literally thought the streets were paved in gold. He kept asking my mom where they were and she had to explain to him that it's only a myth. I must say I am only speaking from my own experience but the only images even I saw when abroad of African Americans, was from Rap videos and movies etc etc. Most of the people there thought that was the lifestyle I was coming from, therefore I was rich, and could just give anyone money, that's why those girls wanted to overcharge me (which they did but it wasn't worth arguing over) and that's why if they asked you for money and you said no, they would get really really angry. And don't you know, they also believe American girls are easy, they sure found out it wasn't Black american girls that were easy, this guy made a pass at my friend, she turned him down, but nicely, unlike I would have, That Ng called her a slave. Whew, she was about to whoop his ass and she's like 5'2. This is an African man calling and African American woman a slave! When I used to get my hair braided, I would see some of the women looking at me up and down all suspiciously, until I realized they were trying to figure out what the @#!* I am. So when I would tell them I was half African, I was no longer one of those "other" girls getting their hair done, I was "one of them" got treated nicer and didn't have to pay as much. It's crazy.

African/Black Americans views of Africans are any better. In some cases I can see why Africans are turned off by blacks as some of the views on this board have expressed the superiority attittude that BA have. The same way people of other cultures and races have towards BA, it's a damn shame. That's why that dude called my friend a slave, he in his own screwed up way was saying "female dog, you ain't better than me!" even though I swear SHE WAS NOT coming off that way at all. But a lot of blacks here view Africans in the same light that white americans do: some name like tuhuti fruiti, living in a hut, in the jungle. What kind of sense is that?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 22, 2005, 09:52:48 AM
After many many years of shaving and dealing with nixs and cuts, I've become a devotee of waxing. I love it. Sure, the first couple times are tough, but soon after it really does start out growing slower and less thick. With shaving I used to get scratchy after a day, no joke ... but with waxing, you're completely smooth for at least a week. Well worth it, in my opinion.

For ladies who want to try it: it's not that hard to do it yourself at home. Much cheaper, too. You can get a little case of microwaveable wax for under $10 that'll let you do your legs twice over, while you'd be paying $40 easily at the salone for just one waxing.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 22, 2005, 10:12:25 AM
::)Hmmm...waxing vs. shaving let's talk about that. I usually shave or use a dipilatory (sp) cream.

Has anyone been to a spa (or go regularly) to get waxed? What are the benefits? Know of any good home waxing systems?

For the ethnic ladies, especially those with darker skin, do you have trouble with scarring?



i have trouble with scarring. i think that it is worse for fairer skinned ethnic types because the scars are much more noticeable. i have a bunch of stupid spots on my face, but i am currently getting them faded with a series of microdermabrasions/facial peels.
it's pretty f-ing lame, though.

and unless they are some kind of swimming all-stars, i don't think guys should shave their body hair.

i have issues with scarring too.  anywhere on my body.  i have really sensitive skin, so i'm really careful not to get any bites or blemishes or cuts.  i bruise really easily too, and it usually takes about 3 months for it to go away completely.  it's such a pain.

how expensive are those derm abrasions?  and didn't you say you did the laser hair removal?  i'm really considering that.  shaving is a pain, and walking around like a sasquatch for 2 weeks whilte the hair gets long enough to wax is unsightly and appalls me.

BTW-  good morning, ladies.

Good morning seu.

About microdermadrasion, a new system has come out by Revlon.  It's about $20, and it is getting rave reviews.

I go to a dermatologist that specializes in ethnic skin care.  Although they have developed better lasers for black skin, there is still the potential for scarring.  I'm assuming you have fairer skin since you are Mexican, so it may not be as bad for you.  Unfortunately, my derm told me laser hair removal is not a long term solution, and you have to keep going back for treatments.  Plus, it's expensive for something that doesn't guarantee that your hair will never come back.  Let me know though if you try it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 10:17:10 AM
Yo I dont like that Seu lady . . ..  she asked if dating a black man counts for anything for the purpose of the BLSD. I simply replied that she doesnt get rebate points for dating a black man. Why do other races feel they can talk about black issues because they date a black man . . . like they can talk on issues through proxy or something. Dating a black man doesnt give you some kind of authority. It's insulting to say that. We are not college course you can just put on your resume.

Vic, I'm sorry. You my boy and all but I can't discriminate  :-[ :-\ OK? Besides, you and Mobell didn't get along at first.

But to answer your question, yeah, that was one of my pet peeves about interracial dating. Especially when you're out with a group of friends and one of them is dating a white girl and you and the rest of your friends have to censor what the @#!* you would normally have said in order not to hurt her feelings or she try to get all up in the convo and don't know what the hell she's talking about and her man is all embarassed but out of respect for him everyone doesn't say nothing and changes the subject or whatever. (I've never really been in a situation where it's white man- black woman and he came out of pocket)

In Seu's case, I saw it as making a little joke. Not a good one, kinda like when white people tan then run up to you "I'm almost/as dark as you are Hahaha!" It's not meant offensively but they don't realize how innappropriate or annoying it is. She's apologized, and this is a good atmosphere for her to be in, she can see what is and is not tolerated or in good behavior. (Seu-if you are reading this, this is in no way meant to offend or talking about you like you are a child OK?)

However, I do see a lot of non-black women who date black men as trophies. Or as someone mentioned elsewhere only see them for their looks or "mythical" attributes and abilities. It's disgusting. Dating a black men does not give you a "life-time ghetto pass" and so on so forth. But.......believe it or not, after being on this board, I no longer have that feeling of hostility towards interracial couples like I used to. Doesn't mean I will ever support it though.

Mari's post made some good comments though about this and I will address that post specifically.


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 10:27:08 AM
Victor:

Your post was probably not meant for me, but as the only other non-black female poster here, I feel compelled to respond. As a member of "another race," yes, I do feel like I can talk about black issues. And brown issues. And white issues. Because we're living in a society where ALL of these issues are interacting every single freaking day, whether in front of our faces or in the back of an alley somewhere. Simply as a member of society, simply as a member of several minority groups -- female, hispanic -- I DO feel the need to be curious about the black issues. I DO feel the need to question. And to respond. And to otherwise converse about black issues. Alot of people will bring up their experience with the black community in order to "justify" or ground their opinions ... but hey, give some credit to Seu for, unlike many in society, putting her money where her mouth is by wholeheartedly giving up her heart to a member of the black race.

That said, I hate to see this thread go down the tubes. We women of color need to stick together, join in our differences and embrace our heterogenity without feeling like it threatens our cultural authenticity. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but I feel sick to my stomach seeing all this racism and catfighting IN A THREAD DEVOTED TO WOMEN OF COLOR!!  :'(


Mari, I just wanted to say that this is a great post, and it makes a whole world of sense. I wish more people thought this way so that that we can more easily break down the barricades that blocks the communication that we need. Thanks   :)

And I almost renamed this thread b/c of this post but it kept coming out awkward. But I just want to reiterate that women of all colors or non-color are welcomed to post here, as well as men
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 22, 2005, 10:31:20 AM
Thanks, Ladyday. In light of yesterday's bitter melee on this thread, that makes me feel welcome .. :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 10:58:19 AM
Thanks, Ladyday. In light of yesterday's bitter melee on this thread, that makes me feel welcome .. :)

Of course your welcolmed, no issues in here  :)

Dammit, I'm trying to catch up.

OK, if you look like a hairy beast RBG I say wax that *&^%. I can't stand hairy ass chests or backs  :P If there's a little hair it's all good, better than looking like a little boy, but if you look like a wooly mammoth, I volunteer to personally come over and take care of that for ya.

Top 5 MJ videos in no particular order:

1. Thriller
2. Remember the times (I LOVE Eddie in that yo)
3. Billie Jean
4. Keep it in the Closet
5. Scream (w/ his lil sis)

I'm dark-skinned and scar from EVERYTHING it's such a pain, especially since I'm such a klutz. 100% Pure Shea Butter (particularly from Carol's Daughter so you KNOW it's pure) works wonders for my body. I use skin ceutical, esthederm, and yonka products for my face.

Microdermabrasion can be really expensive. I've only had one treatment though ($110) and I saw results, but it's a process that you need several treatments for the best results. And if you have sensitive skin (like mine) it can be really painful.
I use a at-home product right now called Esthederm, it costs about $40 per 2 oz jar. It's really good. But I haven't been using it faithfully as it requires a little time but during you can see the dead skin rolling off of your face and afterwards your face feels so soft and smooth like a baby's behind.

WAX WAX WAX WAX I will never shave certain areas ever again.

Laser hair removal. Oh boy. They have come out with a laser that supposed to treat black skin (even darker ladies) but the problem is that so many of these salons are still paying for the thousands of dollars machines they already have so they're not getting this other one anytime soon. Plus the machines in Canada, I called the actual company last year and they said they wouldn't be releasing it until this year. I wish they would hurry the @#!* up. My mom is a few shades lighter than me and she did the laser hair removal anyway, it did cause some burns but her skin is so lovely so no scarring. But I know if I did it I would definetely scar. But so far, my mom has had like 3 treatments and the hair is not growing back.

VOTE OR DIE
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on February 22, 2005, 11:05:42 AM
Awwwe, It's good to see that the war is over between the black and brown women on this board. Perhaps you guys will kiss and makeup now. That would be nice to watch  :P   
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 22, 2005, 11:29:47 AM
Ok, I'm going to try to word this as unoffensively as possible, since I am sure a lot of you are waiting for me to say something to strangle me.

I don't see my SO as a trophy.  I've said this plenty of times.  I've always respected the AfAm culture, since I was a child, which is a lot more than I can say about some of the others' views on cultures outside of their own.  I have never used the N word, nor have I ever uttered some sort of racial slur.  I have always been sympathetic of minorities-- all minorities, and a slight to one of them was definitely a slight in my direction.  No, Black people and Mexicans are not the same person, but we're lumped into the same class in this country, and because of this, I feel that I not only need to stand up for myself but for others who have been discriminated against simply for the color of their skin.  I'm going to law school bc I want to help all minorities and everyone else, regardless of race, who would otherwise not have a voice or many options in this country.

Go back and read the posts on the BLSD, and you will see that I've had people calling me out for being a Mexican, saying that they would call immigration, saying I should go back to Mexico, saying I should go back across the river, saying that immigration laws should be more stringent to keep people like me out of the country, etc.  I did not respond to those comments.  And rather than anyone saying anything bc I was being singled out and the butt of racist jokes, NO ONE said anything.  The most I got was one of these:   :o  or someone apologizing to me, but never did anyone try to nip those remarks in the bud.

I understand.  Everyone on this board is NOT responsible for the one offensive voice.

I have all ready apologized for INADVERTENTLY offending anyone on this board.  What irks me the most about the internet situation is that some of you carry some short and faulty perceptual screens to filter the world through.  You're LOOKING for the racism.  Many times I didn't say anything wrong, and some of you had a problem with it.  You did not hear my tone or the intent of my words.  All you read was what was on your screen, and bc of it, you interpreted it your way and either took offense to it, of played it off as a silly remark.  Let me assure you that if anything, the remarks I've made on this particular thread, except for my take on interracial relationships, have been in jest.

But yeah, Ladyday, who's been super cool with me, told me that I should not apologize for posting.  And I realized that she's right.  I've done nothing to hurt anyone, and if anyone took offense to whatever I said, that's because you perceived it as such.  BTW, Victor, I reposted that answer to your question that you took such offense to in that other board.

Anyway, yesterday I was attacked and called all sorts of racist names.  The Latino stereotypes were magnified and used to try to bring me down.  I'm sure you all have seen that tasteless avatar that was posted as well.  I didn't see anyone but Mari, the only other Latino on this board, coming to my rescue, but as soon as I made one comment in self-defense, I'm the racist b!tch who sees her man as a trophy, who can't appreciate the Black culture, and as speculated, who probably goes around using the N word.  Hardly accurate. 

I'm not calling any of your hypocrites per se, but I do see the hypocrisy.  One statement, that in my opinion was hardly racist... maybe the wording made it a broad generalization, but those of you, you know who you are, that I've conversed with, know that a racist I am not, that respect the Black culture I do, and that I'm here because I want to learn more about your ideals and your perspectives on the messed up ideologies this country's about.

I grew up in a place where Black people don't live.  I went to an all-White private Catholic university where the only Black people who were there were the basketball players on scholarship-- yes, there were about 10 AfAms at my university.  My first real encounter with your culture has been through my SO, and I really respect him and value him, and I love that he brings all those experiences and that perspective to our relationship.  I'm trying to learn here, and if I'm offending someone, I do apologize.

But really, turn it around.  If I would have posted the same garbage-- the remarks, the avatar-- about Black people that was posted about Mexicans, I'm sure it would have been hell.  It's a shame that I'm the one being accused of being a racist here.

Either way, I really appreciate some of you ladies' PMs, your understanding, your patience, and your diplomacy.  And again, I apologize if any of my posts have made you uncomfortable.

Respect.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: A.J on February 22, 2005, 11:31:43 AM
Where is "normal sized penis, middle class and solid @#!*"?

Vote for me!  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 11:37:23 AM
Where is "normal sized penis, middle class and solid @#!*"?

Vote for me!  ;D

 :D NO! For the purpose of my experiement/curiosity You're not an option!

Like I said: VOTE OR DIE BITCHES 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: A.J on February 22, 2005, 11:38:55 AM
ahhh  :-\ 

oh well, back to the old penis pump and man-size pills.  :-X
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 11:40:38 AM
What the f....? Little male private part is winning?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 11:53:23 AM
Seu-

I want to tell you that I'm sorry. I usually try not to jump into people's situations 'cause I figure we can all hold our own nut sacks.

But you are absolutely correct, in the midst of all the bickering you were continually berated and disrespected for your ethnicity which was absolutely disgusting. That was something that I did notice. And if another member of the BLSDB were to be called a "black" female dog or ghetto or other racist and derogatory slur by someone else, especially a white member, I would have chewed their ass into bits. Even though I can't control other people's actions or comments, however, as being people of color and brothers and sisters, that type of behavior should have not been tolerated. It was the equivalence of a black person being called a n-word on here. And even in the case that I didn't particularly care for a certain black member, if someone came at them like that I would have flipped the @#!* out. You deserved the same type of respect.

What happened was gross, uncalled for, and immature. And I can't take what was said back. I just hope that you don't take it as a representative of how all black people think or feel towards Mexicans. And once again I apologize for condoning the behavior with silence.

You are welcome here, and in this thread. That's why it was created. For support, not abuse.





Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: cali444 on February 22, 2005, 11:59:08 AM
Seu-

I want to tell you that I'm sorry. I usually try not to jump into people's situations 'cause I figure we can all hold our own nut sacks.

But you are absolutely correct, in the midst of all the bickering you were continually berated and disrespected for your ethnicity which was absolutely disgusting. That was something that I did notice. And if another member of the BLSDB were to be called a "black" female dog or ghetto or other racist and derogatory slur by someone else, especially a white member, I would have chewed their ass into bits. Even though I can't control other people's actions or comments, however, as being people of color and brothers and sisters, that type of behavior should have not been tolerated. It was the equivalence of a black person being called a n-word on here. And even in the case that I didn't particularly care for a certain black member, if someone came at them like that I would have flipped the @#!* out. You deserved the same type of respect.

What happened was gross, uncalled for, and immature. And I can't take what was said back. I just hope that you don't take it as a representative of how all black people think or feel towards Mexicans. And once again I apologize for condoning the behavior with silence.

You are welcome here, and in this thread. That's why it was created. For support, not abuse.




I second this wholeheartedly.  There's NO excuse for racist remarks on this board, especially when they're so personal. 

For the record, I did try to be supportive when possible, although I guess I could have been more loud about it.  But some people can be so unreasonable that it doesn't seem worth the fight.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 12:00:46 PM
Maybe the women on this board aren't taking their future careers into consideration.  Who needs more money and no satisfaction?  I plan to be well off enough to support myself and a baseball team of kids, so more money isn't going to cut it for me.

Exactly! I don't need your money little male private part!

-or-

the men could be voting to see the results, and are basing their votes on their own personal future outlooks  :(

-or-

this is just truly the representative  :-\

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 22, 2005, 12:01:57 PM
Seu-

I want to tell you that I'm sorry. I usually try not to jump into people's situations 'cause I figure we can all hold our own nut sacks.

But you are absolutely correct, in the midst of all the bickering you were continually berated and disrespected for your ethnicity which was absolutely disgusting. That was something that I did notice. And if another member of the BLSDB were to be called a "black" female dog or ghetto or other racist and derogatory slur by someone else, especially a white member, I would have chewed their ass into bits. Even though I can't control other people's actions or comments, however, as being people of color and brothers and sisters, that type of behavior should have not been tolerated. It was the equivalence of a black person being called a n-word on here. And even in the case that I didn't particularly care for a certain black member, if someone came at them like that I would have flipped the #@!* out. You deserved the same type of respect.

What happened was gross, uncalled for, and immature. And I can't take what was said back. I just hope that you don't take it as a representative of how all black people think or feel towards Mexicans. And once again I apologize for condoning the behavior with silence.

You are welcome here, and in this thread. That's why it was created. For support, not abuse.







Ladyday, yesterday's mess is nothing but a thing to me.  I'm over it, but I just wanted to clarify.  I've been disrespected way worse to my face.  I'm usually more thick-skinned, and I do apologize for stooping to a new low in my life on your board, but hey, even the great ones fall.   ;)

Don't you worry your 1L brain about this drama.  You have better things to concentrate on such as representing the URM nation in LS. 

I don't like females too much, but I respect you, Ladyday. 

Peace.   :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 22, 2005, 12:06:29 PM
Thanks Cali. No worries.  If anything, I admire you numbered femmes more.


I really hope that the poll is not a representative of females on here.   ???

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: SheLaw on February 22, 2005, 12:13:18 PM
I agree w/ you as well Seu.  Your points were valid and are definitely something people should keep in mind before making thoughtless comments. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 22, 2005, 12:18:34 PM
jlf hates all races equally.

jlf also has no opinion on racist posters.

actually, she does have an opinion-- it's who cares. this is an internet message board. irl if someone is talking crazy to you, you can actually do something about it, like, say, stab or sue him. however, in the ether of the internets, you will only get yourself worked into a tizzy while someone else who probably neither cares about you personally nor means anything he says has a quick, meaningless laugh at your expense.


and jlf would rather have a rich guy who loved her but was kind of lame in bed than a poor guy with a huge shlong mooching off her biglaw salary.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: A.J on February 22, 2005, 12:22:54 PM
AJ will do all races equally.

HTH
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 22, 2005, 12:23:46 PM
Man! I have the funniest story about that sh*t. When I was in Senegal I was getting my hair braided. So the bitches didn't know that one of my friends new French really well. So these bitches are talking about how they was going to overcharge me and sh*t. So when our "sister" who knew English left the room, my friend who knew French looked one of the chicks dead in her face and was like "You f-ing female dog, You Stank Ass f-ing female dog!" and kept saying it over and over. And the real funny part was the girl started smiling all stupidly 'cause she had no idea what she was saying.

LMAO! That is classic...too bad I can't do that to the ones in the states because they know enough English to get around.  Why is there such hostility between Africans and African Americans?

I think a lot of it has to do with the mis-perceptions and preconceived notions about each other. When my father first came to the US he literally thought the streets were paved in gold. He kept asking my mom where they were and she had to explain to him that it's only a myth. I must say I am only speaking from my own experience but the only images even I saw when abroad of African Americans, was from Rap videos and movies etc etc. Most of the people there thought that was the lifestyle I was coming from, therefore I was rich, and could just give anyone money, that's why those girls wanted to overcharge me (which they did but it wasn't worth arguing over) and that's why if they asked you for money and you said no, they would get really really angry. And don't you know, they also believe American girls are easy, they sure found out it wasn't Black american girls that were easy, this guy made a pass at my friend, she turned him down, but nicely, unlike I would have, That Ng called her a slave. Whew, she was about to whoop his ass and she's like 5'2. This is an African man calling and African American woman a slave! When I used to get my hair braided, I would see some of the women looking at me up and down all suspiciously, until I realized they were trying to figure out what the #@!* I am. So when I would tell them I was half African, I was no longer one of those "other" girls getting their hair done, I was "one of them" got treated nicer and didn't have to pay as much. It's crazy.

African/Black Americans views of Africans are any better. In some cases I can see why Africans are turned off by blacks as some of the views on this board have expressed the superiority attittude that BA have. The same way people of other cultures and races have towards BA, it's a damn shame. That's why that dude called my friend a slave, he in his own screwed up way was saying "female dog, you ain't better than me!" even though I swear SHE WAS NOT coming off that way at all. But a lot of blacks here view Africans in the same light that white americans do: some name like tuhuti fruiti, living in a hut, in the jungle. What kind of sense is that?

I agree wholeheartedly.  I think this notion that BAs have a superiority complex is apparent throughout the diaspora.  I remember when I politely declined to dance with a gentleman in the Bahamas, he scoffed like "oh you American girls."  He even went as far as to ask me my credentials (degrees, job, etc.)  He scoffed again like "been there, done that"

It's unfortunate that we are perceived that way.  
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on February 22, 2005, 12:29:28 PM
Dang Ladyday....y does the man have to BROKE....when a grown ass man is BROKE that says something about his character and if he is breaking me off on a regular and doing nothing else wouldn't that get irritating....I mean you have to bring something more to the table than the DlCK... then dang the only other option is the rich man w/the little D that can't F worth nothin .....sheesh  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 22, 2005, 12:32:26 PM
Dang Ladyday....y does the man have to BROKE....when a grown ass man is BROKE that says something about his character and if he is breaking me off on a regular and doing nothing else wouldn't that get irritating....I mean you have to bring something more to the table than the DlCK... then dang the only other option is the rich man w/the little D that can't F worth nothin .....sheesh  :-\

buy a vibrator with the rich guy's money.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 22, 2005, 12:33:52 PM
Wow, everyone gather around and give Seu a big fat hug.  ::)

First of all my comments weren't thoughtless. Racist, yes! Thoughtless? Nope. I knew exactly what I was saying and the purpose of me making those crude generalizations about Mexicans and migrant workers is to show Seu that her comments about black women were equally as ignorant. Nevertheless I'm not apologizing. No one paid much attention when Seu basically called me a ghetto ho or commented about black women being hostile. Ironic isn't it? I bet those posts are still up for everyone's viewing pleasure. You guys can be PC all you want but I'll be damned if I let some half breed broad coming on a Black message board being disrespectful or thinks she can speak on black issues b/c she happens to have a black boy toy..>Oh I'm sorry "her chocholate man".  ::)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 22, 2005, 12:35:44 PM
Hey Everyone,

After all of the shenanigans that went on yesterday it got the wheels in my head turning for a topic of discussion. Why do women have such difficulty getting along as a whole? How can we change the way that we deal with one another and what will it take for us to understand that all of us regardless of ethnicity, or socioeconomic status have a common bond as women and have all dealt with various struggles in our lives?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 12:36:28 PM
jlf hates all races equally.

jlf also has no opinion on racist posters.

actually, she does have an opinion-- it's who cares. this is an internet message board. irl if someone is talking crazy to you, you can actually do something about it, like, say, stab or sue him. however, in the ether of the internets, you will only get yourself worked into a tizzy while someone else who probably neither cares about you personally nor means anything he says has a quick, meaningless laugh at your expense.


and jlf would rather have a rich guy who loved her but was kind of lame in bed than a poor guy with a huge shlong mooching off her biglaw salary.

You have some valid points. But I still don't think racism on this board should be tolerated. I guess we'll just have to differ on that.

People always say, "oh it doesn't matter" "i don't care" but in reality they do. When the ngs on here were busting on you about your looks, i didn't condone that *&^%. If I find something disgusting, I'll say so.

Oh, and I'll clarify, the poll doesn't say anything about love. Moreover, guys with big dicks can't love? All the poll asks would you rather be with a man for his money even though he can't satisfy you, or would you rather be with a man who can satisfy you, but can't support you financially.

I say, I can support myself. And then be satisfied. If you're not satisfied sexually, is the money worth it?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 22, 2005, 12:39:12 PM
jlf hates all races equally.

jlf also has no opinion on racist posters.

actually, she does have an opinion-- it's who cares. this is an internet message board. irl if someone is talking crazy to you, you can actually do something about it, like, say, stab or sue him. however, in the ether of the internets, you will only get yourself worked into a tizzy while someone else who probably neither cares about you personally nor means anything he says has a quick, meaningless laugh at your expense.


and jlf would rather have a rich guy who loved her but was kind of lame in bed than a poor guy with a huge shlong mooching off her biglaw salary.

LOL.   :D

HATER!


you can't buy satisfaction, JLF!!!  you can only marry it   ;)

heh. luckily my guy is well endowed and also not poor.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 22, 2005, 12:39:45 PM
jlf hates all races equally.

 


and jlf would rather have a rich guy who loved her but was kind of lame in bed than a poor guy with a huge shlong mooching off her biglaw salary.

LOL :P
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 12:41:44 PM
Dang Ladyday....y does the man have to BROKE....when a grown ass man is BROKE that says something about his character and if he is breaking me off on a regular and doing nothing else wouldn't that get irritating....I mean you have to bring something more to the table than the DlCK... then dang the only other option is the rich man w/the little D that can't F worth nothin .....sheesh  :-\

 :D I know, I know. I'm forcing ya'll to make a choice, no gray areas dammit!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 12:43:44 PM
Dang Ladyday....y does the man have to BROKE....when a grown ass man is BROKE that says something about his character and if he is breaking me off on a regular and doing nothing else wouldn't that get irritating....I mean you have to bring something more to the table than the DlCK... then dang the only other option is the rich man w/the little D that can't F worth nothin .....sheesh  :-\

buy a vibrator with the rich guy's money.

 :) That's not good enough! Plus you would still have to sleep with the little male private part man.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on February 22, 2005, 12:46:28 PM
Dang Ladyday....y does the man have to BROKE....when a grown ass man is BROKE that says something about his character and if he is breaking me off on a regular and doing nothing else wouldn't that get irritating....I mean you have to bring something more to the table than the DlCK... then dang the only other option is the rich man w/the little D that can't F worth nothin .....sheesh  :-\

buy a vibrator with the rich guy's money.

 :) That's not good enough! Plus you would still have to sleep with the little male private part man.

I think that there is more to satisfaction than just having a big male private part.....A broke man is usually a sign of bigger problems
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 22, 2005, 12:47:11 PM
Wow, everyone gather around and give Seu a big fat hug.  ::)

First of all my comments weren't thoughtless. Racist, yes! Thoughtless? Nope. I knew exactly what I was saying and the purpose of me making those crude generalizations about Mexicans and migrant workers is to show Seu that her comments about black women were equally as ignorant. Nevertheless I'm not apologizing. No one paid much attention when Seu basically called me a ghetto ho or commented about black women being hostile. Ironic isn't it? I bet those posts are still up for everyone's viewing pleasure. You guys can be PC all you want but I'll be damned if I let some half breed broad coming on a Black message board being disrespectful or thinks she can speak on black issues b/c she happens to have a black boy toy..>Oh I'm sorry "her chocholate man".  ::)


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    Re: The Black Women's Thread
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 11:34:54 PM »     

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Yeah I know I'm coming out of left field but making a gross generalization like "black women are hostile towards other women" is about as ignorant as Juan, Maria, and the oranges.
 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 12:48:39 PM
Wow, everyone gather around and give Seu a big fat hug.  ::)

First of all my comments weren't thoughtless. Racist, yes! Thoughtless? Nope. I knew exactly what I was saying and the purpose of me making those crude generalizations about Mexicans and migrant workers is to show Seu that her comments about black women were equally as ignorant. Nevertheless I'm not apologizing. No one paid much attention when Seu basically called me a ghetto ho or commented about black women being hostile. Ironic isn't it? I bet those posts are still up for everyone's viewing pleasure. You guys can be PC all you want but I'll be damned if I let some half breed broad coming on a Black message board being disrespectful or thinks she can speak on black issues b/c she happens to have a black boy toy..>Oh I'm sorry "her chocholate man".  ::)


So you propose to fight ignorance with ignorance? And it is not about being PC, it's about NOT perpetuating racism so that it can continue to flourish. If black people go around spouting ignorant racist rhetoric, then we have no cause for complaints when racism negatively effects us.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 22, 2005, 12:49:07 PM
Dang Ladyday....y does the man have to BROKE....when a grown ass man is BROKE that says something about his character and if he is breaking me off on a regular and doing nothing else wouldn't that get irritating....I mean you have to bring something more to the table than the DlCK... then dang the only other option is the rich man w/the little D that can't F worth nothin .....sheesh  :-\

buy a vibrator with the rich guy's money.

 :) That's not good enough! Plus you would still have to sleep with the little male private part man.

Give him some eating lessons.  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 22, 2005, 12:53:16 PM
You have some valid points. But I still don't think racism on this board should be tolerated. I guess we'll just have to differ on that.

People always say, "oh it doesn't matter" "i don't care" but in reality they do. When the ngs on here were busting on you about your looks, i didn't condone that *&^%. If I find something disgusting, I'll say so.


okay, that's fine. i'm not condoning racism; i'm just saying that there's no reason for what went on yesterday. using your example of the guys mocking me for having a busted picture, although i made one kinda whiny and sanctimonious response to that, there's no way i would have started some kind of crazy thing about it to prolong it and, like, post to other threads about it and *&^%-- it's just not that serious, and that was a personal attack.

however, i don't feel that vague racist posts are personal attacks. if someone is like 'omg, why are black people so loud at movie theaters?' i may make a reasonable comment about false assumptions, but i'm not gonna be like, 'omg! stop attacking me! you f-ing jew! you have some right to talk about me what with your being a jew! i saw this one jew the other day on the street jewing it up the way jews do and then he tried to jew me out of my money!! f-ing steinbergs!!" all that *&^% is uncalled for and just provokes an ever-widening spiral of unnecessary animosity.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 12:56:07 PM
Dang Ladyday....y does the man have to BROKE....when a grown ass man is BROKE that says something about his character and if he is breaking me off on a regular and doing nothing else wouldn't that get irritating....I mean you have to bring something more to the table than the DlCK... then dang the only other option is the rich man w/the little D that can't F worth nothin .....sheesh  :-\

buy a vibrator with the rich guy's money.

 :) That's not good enough! Plus you would still have to sleep with the little male private part man.

I think that there is more to satisfaction than just having a big male private part.....A broke man is usually a sign of bigger problems

OK. I'm saying if all things were equal. If you had to choose between 1 of the 2 extremes, which would you choose?

They both love your ass to death
They are both equally attractive
They are both HIV/AIDS & STD FREE
You do have to sleep with the one you choose
Let's say the Rich Guy has made millions through investment banking and broke guy is broke b/c he is an artist (music, painting etc) who hasn't had a big break yet.

WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 22, 2005, 01:00:15 PM
'omg! stop attacking me! you f-ing jew! you have some right to talk about me what with your being a jew! i saw this one jew the other day on the street jewing it up the way jews do and then he tried to jew me out of my money!! f-ing steinbergs!!"

upon reflection, that was an incredibly fun thing to type. maybe i will start responding like this.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 22, 2005, 01:01:34 PM
'omg! stop attacking me! you f-ing jew! you have some right to talk about me what with your being a jew! i saw this one jew the other day on the street jewing it up the way jews do and then he tried to jew me out of my money!! f-ing steinbergs!!"

upon reflection, that was an incredibly fun thing to type. maybe i will start responding like this.

lol
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 22, 2005, 01:03:56 PM
JLF you crack me up...

Lady, I understand where you are coming from, but often times people only respond to ignorant comments thrown back at them. Notice had Seu hasn't made another stupid remark about black women? Seems effective to me.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 01:04:42 PM
You have some valid points. But I still don't think racism on this board should be tolerated. I guess we'll just have to differ on that.

People always say, "oh it doesn't matter" "i don't care" but in reality they do. When the ngs on here were busting on you about your looks, i didn't condone that *&^%. If I find something disgusting, I'll say so.


okay, that's fine. i'm not condoning racism; i'm just saying that there's no reason for what went on yesterday. using your example of the guys mocking me for having a busted picture, although i made one kinda whiny and sanctimonious response to that, there's no way i would have started some kind of crazy thing about it to prolong it and, like, post to other threads about it and *&^%-- it's just not that serious, and that was a personal attack.


I'm comparing bad behavior to bad behavior. But you are right, there were differences. There wasn't a BLSDB at the time to start different threads. Other people had your back and called out the behavior. AND they all manned up and admitted they were wrong and apologized to you for it.

And all of it that was going on was personal attacks on both ends. Look, I don't want to go on and on about this, there's a separate thread for it. My main point is that we women need to unify instead of divide especially black and brown sistas.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 01:06:21 PM
AJ will do all races equally.

HTH

We'll keep this in mind.....
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 01:08:18 PM
'omg! stop attacking me! you f-ing jew! you have some right to talk about me what with your being a jew! i saw this one jew the other day on the street jewing it up the way jews do and then he tried to jew me out of my money!! f-ing steinbergs!!"

upon reflection, that was an incredibly fun thing to type. maybe i will start responding like this.

 :D LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 01:13:53 PM
JLF you crack me up...

Lady, I understand where you are coming from, but often times people only respond to ignorant comments thrown back at them. Notice had Seu hasn't made another stupid remark about black women? Seems effective to me.

OK Regal. But if I remember correctly, your argument with Seu didn't start with her making a ignorant comment about Black women in general, it was about something she said about you personally that you didn't find funny. Bluenine was actually the person who first questioned her about a generalization she said about black women. And Seu just might say something in future about black people that would come across as ignorant, b/c she wouldn't know that it is as she is not a black person. But just telling her she's ignorant and not explaining why or attacking her will get none of us anywhere.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 01:15:58 PM
Blk_reign, you've asked a valid question that got kinda lost in the discourse, I do want to address it though, but I've gotta get the hell off of this board!!

I'll check ya'll later.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 22, 2005, 01:21:33 PM
Perhaps, but I apologize for bringing this to your board. If I decide to bash Seu some more, it won't be in your thread.

Lady...why little male private part? UGh...

I know we've discussed this issue before but have you guys ever went to a hair dresser to messed up your hair (either with perms, cutting, styling..etc.?)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 22, 2005, 01:22:09 PM
I've said what I had to say with my long post earlier in this thread.  I've made my peace with anyone who was frazzled by anything that happened yesterday.  It's a shame I stooped so low, but I've learned from it.  I appreciate those of you who came at me with clear words and explanations instead of insults and racism.  I'm over any offense I may have felt yesterday, and from what I gather, most of the people on this board are too.  Moving on...

I'm with Ladyday on the unity situation.  I don't know who has my back, but I'm willing to throw it down for any female who needs my support, especially if she's a minority like me.  Ladies, take note.

And JLF, you're hilarious.  You raise valid points, and sometimes I feel like I'm overlooking the meat of your post bc I'm laughing so hard at the crazy things you say.  Not the case at all.  I enjoy your sense of humor and your perceptions.  Keep it up.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on February 22, 2005, 02:14:30 PM
IndigoWarrior --- It's not that I ignore your posts; I just cant decipher ya shiets.

LadyDay --- Read my last comment. I said I welcome everyone to gather and talk about issues; I'm an opponent of segregation. I just said if you say something stupid just know you will get checked like fresh Nike sneakers. SEU YOU HEAR ME??

*enjoys a Malaysian rice loaf*


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on February 22, 2005, 02:16:58 PM
Dang Ladyday....y does the man have to BROKE....when a grown ass man is BROKE that says something about his character and if he is breaking me off on a regular and doing nothing else wouldn't that get irritating....I mean you have to bring something more to the table than the DlCK... then dang the only other option is the rich man w/the little D that can't F worth nothin .....sheesh  :-\

buy a vibrator with the rich guy's money.

 :) That's not good enough! Plus you would still have to sleep with the little male private part man.

I think that there is more to satisfaction than just having a big male private part.....A broke man is usually a sign of bigger problems

OK. I'm saying if all things were equal. If you had to choose between 1 of the 2 extremes, which would you choose?

They both love your ass to death
They are both equally attractive
They are both HIV/AIDS & STD FREE
You do have to sleep with the one you choose
Let's say the Rich Guy has made millions through investment banking and broke guy is broke b/c he is an artist (music, painting etc) who hasn't had a big break yet.

WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE?


i know im late, but i voted...poor guy who breaks your back. i'm a sucka for artists.  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on February 22, 2005, 02:35:30 PM
IndigoWarrior --- It's not that I ignore your posts; I just cant decipher ya shiets.

LadyDay --- Read my last comment. I said I welcome everyone to gather and talk about issues; I'm an opponent of segregation. I just said if you say something stupid just know you will get checked like fresh Nike sneakers. SEU YOU HEAR ME??

*enjoys a Malaysian rice loaf*




go back and read what i posted.   ::)


I read what you posted. I'm saying what I have to say as well. I let what you said slide, I'm just saying dont come at me like that again.

And who you rolling your eyes at? I will crush beer cans on your fukkin head.


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on February 22, 2005, 02:44:58 PM
Dang Ladyday....y does the man have to BROKE....when a grown ass man is BROKE that says something about his character and if he is breaking me off on a regular and doing nothing else wouldn't that get irritating....I mean you have to bring something more to the table than the DlCK... then dang the only other option is the rich man w/the little D that can't F worth nothin .....sheesh  :-\

buy a vibrator with the rich guy's money.

 :) That's not good enough! Plus you would still have to sleep with the little male private part man.

I think that there is more to satisfaction than just having a big male private part.....A broke man is usually a sign of bigger problems

OK. I'm saying if all things were equal. If you had to choose between 1 of the 2 extremes, which would you choose?

They both love your ass to death
They are both equally attractive
They are both HIV/AIDS & STD FREE
You do have to sleep with the one you choose
Let's say the Rich Guy has made millions through investment banking and broke guy is broke b/c he is an artist (music, painting etc) who hasn't had a big break yet.

WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE?

OK Ladyday...when u putit that way then I'd go for the artist b/c atleast he is passionate about something (besides breaking me off, which is a good thing by the way)  I suppose we could work finding him something to earn money....
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 22, 2005, 02:59:12 PM
OK Ladyday...when u putit that way then I'd go for the artist b/c atleast he is passionate about something (besides breaking me off, which is a good thing by the way)  I suppose we could work finding him something to earn money....

ROFL ...!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 22, 2005, 04:05:20 PM
OK Ladyday...when u putit that way then I'd go for the artist b/c atleast he is passionate about something (besides breaking me off, which is a good thing by the way)  I suppose we could work finding him something to earn money....

ROFL ...!

indeed!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 06:49:31 PM
Hey Everyone,

After all of the shenanigans that went on yesterday it got the wheels in my head turning for a topic of discussion. Why do women have such difficulty getting along as a whole? How can we change the way that we deal with one another and what will it take for us to understand that all of us regardless of ethnicity, or socioeconomic status have a common bond as women and have all dealt with various struggles in our lives?

I think women can be the model of the "crabs in a barrel" mentality. Since we live in such a male dominant society *we* tear each other down. In this society women face pressure around every corner to look this this and act like that and so on so forth that so we snipe at each other instead of the powers at be. How can we change that? I suppose reject the pressures that are placed on us and just be who we are. Recognize our insecurities and stop allowing them to rule us and our relationships with other women. I don't know! Any other suggestions?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 22, 2005, 08:09:19 PM
Hey Everyone,

After all of the shenanigans that went on yesterday it got the wheels in my head turning for a topic of discussion. Why do women have such difficulty getting along as a whole? How can we change the way that we deal with one another and what will it take for us to understand that all of us regardless of ethnicity, or socioeconomic status have a common bond as women and have all dealt with various struggles in our lives?

I think women can be the model of the "crabs in a barrel" mentality. Since we live in such a male dominant society *we* tear each other down. In this society women face pressure around every corner to look this this and act like that and so on so forth that so we snipe at each other instead of the powers at be. How can we change that? I suppose reject the pressures that are placed on us and just be who we are. Recognize our insecurities and stop allowing them to rule us and our relationships with other women. I don't know! Any other suggestions?

I think women of different cultures, races, ethnicities, etc. should unify around issues that affect us ALL (poverty, healthcare, etc.), because there are definitely things that affect black women, for example, that women of other races can't relate to.

Also, I think black women need to strengthen our bonds.  Sure Seu's statement about black women going at each other (not trying to start nothing, just trying to make a point ;D) was a gross generalization.  However, we'd all be lying if we said there weren't some stark divisions among black women. Light skin vs. dark skin, poor vs. rich, and it even extends to the people who should be the most mature, our college educated women. These are some of the most childish women I've ever met.  "My sorority is better than yours, I have a better car than you, I have a better job than you" sheesh.  Do Latinas experience something akin to this?

 I'm not saying we should be on some kum ba yah type ish, but there needs to be a dialogue.  How can we unite with other women, when we aren't united amongst ourselves?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 22, 2005, 08:35:59 PM
Hey Everyone,

After all of the shenanigans that went on yesterday it got the wheels in my head turning for a topic of discussion. Why do women have such difficulty getting along as a whole? How can we change the way that we deal with one another and what will it take for us to understand that all of us regardless of ethnicity, or socioeconomic status have a common bond as women and have all dealt with various struggles in our lives?

I think women can be the model of the "crabs in a barrel" mentality. Since we live in such a male dominant society *we* tear each other down. In this society women face pressure around every corner to look this this and act like that and so on so forth that so we snipe at each other instead of the powers at be. How can we change that? I suppose reject the pressures that are placed on us and just be who we are. Recognize our insecurities and stop allowing them to rule us and our relationships with other women. I don't know! Any other suggestions?

I think women of different cultures, races, ethnicities, etc. should unify around issues that affect us ALL (poverty, healthcare, etc.), because there are definitely things that affect black women, for example, that women of other races can't relate to.

Also, I think black women need to strengthen our bonds.  Sure Seu's statement about black women going at each other (not trying to start nothing, just trying to make a point ;D) was a gross generalization.  However, we'd all be lying if we said there weren't some stark divisions among black women. Light skin vs. dark skin, poor vs. rich, and it even extends to the people who should be the most mature, our college educated women. These are some of the most childish women I've ever met.  "My sorority is better than yours, I have a better car than you, I have a better job than you" sheesh.  Do Latinas experience something akin to this?

 I'm not saying we should be on some kum ba yah type ish, but there needs to be a dialogue.  How can we unite with other women, when we aren't united amongst ourselves?


No, latinas actually bond together.  it's so rare to see one of our own at a place like a law school or even a regular undergrad, that we definitely stick together from the moment we see one another, and we have each other's backs.

we don't care about cars, education, and things like sororities are definitely not devisiv factors in our race.  we're just glad to be around one another AND at the same level, and we treat each other like family. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 22, 2005, 08:40:28 PM
Hey Everyone,

After all of the shenanigans that went on yesterday it got the wheels in my head turning for a topic of discussion. Why do women have such difficulty getting along as a whole? How can we change the way that we deal with one another and what will it take for us to understand that all of us regardless of ethnicity, or socioeconomic status have a common bond as women and have all dealt with various struggles in our lives?

I think women can be the model of the "crabs in a barrel" mentality. Since we live in such a male dominant society *we* tear each other down. In this society women face pressure around every corner to look this this and act like that and so on so forth that so we snipe at each other instead of the powers at be. How can we change that? I suppose reject the pressures that are placed on us and just be who we are. Recognize our insecurities and stop allowing them to rule us and our relationships with other women. I don't know! Any other suggestions?

I think women of different cultures, races, ethnicities, etc. should unify around issues that affect us ALL (poverty, healthcare, etc.), because there are definitely things that affect black women, for example, that women of other races can't relate to.

Also, I think black women need to strengthen our bonds.  Sure Seu's statement about black women going at each other (not trying to start nothing, just trying to make a point ;D) was a gross generalization.  However, we'd all be lying if we said there weren't some stark divisions among black women. Light skin vs. dark skin, poor vs. rich, and it even extends to the people who should be the most mature, our college educated women. These are some of the most childish women I've ever met.  "My sorority is better than yours, I have a better car than you, I have a better job than you" sheesh.  Do Latinas experience something akin to this?

 I'm not saying we should be on some kum ba yah type ish, but there needs to be a dialogue.  How can we unite with other women, when we aren't united amongst ourselves?


No, latinas actually bond together.  it's so rare to see one of our own at a place like a law school or even a regular undergrad, that we definitely stick together from the moment we see one another, and we have each other's backs.

we don't care about cars, education, and things like sororities are definitely not devisiv factors in our race.  we're just glad to be around one another AND at the same level, and we treat each other like family. 

I don't mean in law school; I mean in general.  I just want to make this clear: what I'm speaking of is not the rule, but the exception.  However, I have to say that is shouldn't happen at all.  In addition, in an academic environment dominated by non-blacks, I can definitely say that we stick together (as evidenced by the BLSDB)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 22, 2005, 08:44:20 PM
I swear, Seu beat me to it. Latinas are probably easier to generalize here because there are so few of us at the higher education and/or professional level. I mean, at Berkeley there were hardly enough to have a soroity ... and even then, the group didn't even have an actual house. When I see another Latina in a class, or at work, it's more like "Ooooo!" I don't stop to think about whether she's poorer or richer than me, does or doesn't speak spanish, or has a better car.It's not that these problems don't exist in the latina community at large -- trust me, they do -- it's just that they don't get transferred to the professional group for lack of sheer numbers.

I feel safe in generalizing that most latinas my age are in one of two groups: (1) either a college grad with a job, or seeking a grad degree, or (2) HS graduate or HS dropout with ok job, likely married and/or with kids. The distance between the two is probably the greatest division between the latina community, but there doesn't tend to be antagonism from one group to the other.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 22, 2005, 08:48:50 PM
I swear, Seu beat me to it. Latinas are probably easier to generalize here because there are so few of us at the higher education and/or professional level. I mean, at Berkeley there were hardly enough to have a soroity ... and even then, the group didn't even have an actual house. When I see another Latina in a class, or at work, it's more like "Ooooo!" I don't stop to think about whether she's poorer or richer than me, does or doesn't speak spanish, or has a better car.It's not that these problems don't exist in the latina community at large -- trust me, they do -- it's just that they don't get transferred to the professional group for lack of sheer numbers.

I feel safe in generalizing that most latinas my age are in one of two groups: (1) either a college grad with a job, or seeking a grad degree, or (2) HS graduate or HS dropout with ok job, likely married and/or with kids. The distance between the two is probably the greatest division between the latina community, but there doesn't tend to be antagonism from one group to the other.


speak on it, woman!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 09:02:16 PM
Hey Everyone,

After all of the shenanigans that went on yesterday it got the wheels in my head turning for a topic of discussion. Why do women have such difficulty getting along as a whole? How can we change the way that we deal with one another and what will it take for us to understand that all of us regardless of ethnicity, or socioeconomic status have a common bond as women and have all dealt with various struggles in our lives?

I think women can be the model of the "crabs in a barrel" mentality. Since we live in such a male dominant society *we* tear each other down. In this society women face pressure around every corner to look this this and act like that and so on so forth that so we snipe at each other instead of the powers at be. How can we change that? I suppose reject the pressures that are placed on us and just be who we are. Recognize our insecurities and stop allowing them to rule us and our relationships with other women. I don't know! Any other suggestions?

I think women of different cultures, races, ethnicities, etc. should unify around issues that affect us ALL (poverty, healthcare, etc.), because there are definitely things that affect black women, for example, that women of other races can't relate to.

Also, I think black women need to strengthen our bonds.  Sure Seu's statement about black women going at each other (not trying to start nothing, just trying to make a point ;D) was a gross generalization.  However, we'd all be lying if we said there weren't some stark divisions among black women. Light skin vs. dark skin, poor vs. rich, and it even extends to the people who should be the most mature, our college educated women. These are some of the most childish women I've ever met.  "My sorority is better than yours, I have a better car than you, I have a better job than you" sheesh.  Do Latinas experience something akin to this?

 I'm not saying we should be on some kum ba yah type ish, but there needs to be a dialogue.  How can we unite with other women, when we aren't united amongst ourselves?

I don't know sis  ??? :'(

That's why I get so heated when I hear women refer to each other in demeaning ways. Even I fall into the trap when we have dialogues here (my house) about video "hos"

Speaking of which, I kinda referred to this on the Hip-hop thread, but I'm wondering what the ladies thing about this. Do you think the women who participate in what I call "soft porn" are just doing them and getting that cash -or- are they doing a disservice to women? Are they being exploited or is this not possible because they are active participants and some don't even get paid? Do you think you are better than them b/c you don't show your ass for cash or attention?

SPEAK................
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 22, 2005, 09:16:45 PM
some women have a whole different set of values than i do, and that doesn't make me better or worse than anyone.  i wouldn't flash my rear to any camera or anyone who isn't my man.

kids these days are watching tv in an attempt to figure out their places in society.  in an attempt to be accepted, which we all know is the most important task in HS and jr. high, some of them come to emmulate what they see.  i think that the portrayl of some women on tv is a complete disservice to all women.  like what?  mariah carey washing snoop's car in those daisy dukes, the 'video hos' in all those music videos, even the characters on shows like sex and the city.  no, not everyone watches this, but this is what the mainstream has to offer.  it might be sexy to someone, and others might find it distasteful.  younger kids are impressionable and can't differentiate 100%, so they're more susceptible to follow those leads.

rarely do we see a strong woman on tv who's clearly setting an examlpe of how a lady should behave and of the respect that can be commanded with an education, a strong sense of individuality, and some NICE clothes.  even when we have powerful women to look up to, they're still criticized for whatever reason.  women like oprah, hillary clinton, and even condi rice will never be an acceptable role model to an entire nation because someone will always be condemning them of selling out, of letting herself go, of being superficial. 

it's the unrealistic demands of women that makes the 'video hos' an acceptable staple of our generation.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 22, 2005, 09:35:14 PM
I don't know sis  ??? :'(

That's why I get so heated when I hear women refer to each other in demeaning ways. Even I fall into the trap when we have dialogues here (my house) about video "hos"

Speaking of which, I kinda referred to this on the Hip-hop thread, but I'm wondering what the ladies thing about this. Do you think the women who participate in what I call "soft porn" are just doing them and getting that cash -or- are they doing a disservice to women? Are they being exploited or is this not possible because they are active participants and some don't even get paid? Do you think you are better than them b/c you don't show your ass for cash or attention?

SPEAK................
Quote

I think video h..um actresses have set back the movement 10 years.  We are exploiting ourselves for personal gain at the expense of the image of the black community.  WE DON'T CONTROL THE MEDIA, but we can control our actions. Assisting the media in perpetuating negative stereotypes doesn't help us in the least.  We can't even control who says the n-word these days!  The only way we can create real change is to stop being a willing party in the denigration of women. For those women who are out there scantily clad, shaking their a$$ and what not, I want to tell them, "your actions don't just affect you, they affect me too."

The ultimate solution is REAL empowerment.  Some say they empowered by what's between their legs, I say not.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 22, 2005, 09:52:17 PM
The media isn't the root of the blame. People support music videos and television programs the demean women. If there wasn't an audience for some of these shows, they would cease to exist. As women going for our professional degrees, it’s easy for us to sit back and judge another woman doing what she needs to do in order to survive; I too have been guilty of judging them b/c I couldn’t picture myself in that position. Then I try to put myself in their shoes and imagine if I didn’t have supportive network to encourage my mental, physical, spiritual, and intellectual growth as a black woman.

 I think about the music video chicks in rap songs and feel really bad for them, because I doubt they grew up as children thinking "I want to be in a tip drill video so Nelly and slide a credit card through my butt". Things happen. I don't want to play the blame the parents game, but an individual's core values starts from home. Something occurred in these women’s lives for them to believe that dancing half naked on television is empowering.

As for how women can unite…that’s a difficult concept to grasp. Women of all races, cultures, and socio-economic levels are somewhat catty by nature. Many are raised with so much pressure to fit whatever ideal her society requires in a woman. Often times many young women feel as though they fall short of those ideals so they end up feeling insecure about their looks, personality, intelligence, etc... Women need to start being honest with each other and themselves. We have a tendency to spare the person’s feelings instead of being honest and taking care of our own. Most men get along just fine b/c they have a tendency to be straight forward. Women on the other hand have a tendency to avoid the issue all together.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 10:01:23 PM
I think that these comments from both of ya'll sums it up nicely:

it's the unrealistic demands of women that makes the 'video hos' an acceptable staple of our generation.

I don't know sis  ??? :'(

That's why I get so heated when I hear women refer to each other in demeaning ways. Even I fall into the trap when we have dialogues here (my house) about video "hos"

Speaking of which, I kinda referred to this on the Hip-hop thread, but I'm wondering what the ladies thing about this. Do you think the women who participate in what I call "soft porn" are just doing them and getting that cash -or- are they doing a disservice to women? Are they being exploited or is this not possible because they are active participants and some don't even get paid? Do you think you are better than them b/c you don't show your ass for cash or attention?

SPEAK................
Quote

I think video h..um actresses have set back the movement 10 years. WE DON'T CONTROL THE MEDIA, but we can control our actions. For those women who are out there scantily clad, shaking their a$$ and what not, I want to tell them, "your actions don't just affect you, they affect me too."

The ultimate solution is REAL empowerment. Some say they empowered by what's between their legs, I say not.

I mean men watch these porn flicks like they're nothing, and refer to women as bitches and hoes like it's nothing. Even little boys! Have you ever watched BET late at night, I didn't even know they showed that type of garbage until one night I ran across it and I was like  :o :o >:( >:( :o :o WTF?? And the networks excuse is that its late at night. C'mon, accept some responsibility, of course little kids stay up at night. Jeez  ::) And the crap during the day is only a little less explicit. The lyrics are crazy too. It's so sad when you walk across a little 5 year old boy and see him call another little girl a ho.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 22, 2005, 10:02:49 PM
I don't believe in censorship, but parents need to be responsible for what their children watch on television.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 10:08:33 PM
I don't believe in censorship, but parents need to be responsible for what their children watch on television.

Neither do I. But the same way that BET took a stance against Eminem with his video that mocked MJ, they should also take a stance against artists that demean women. Not playing that disgusting filth isn't censorship, the artists are still free to create it, but they are not required to air it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: pale_blue_sun on February 22, 2005, 10:13:48 PM
I don't believe in censorship, but parents need to be responsible for what their children watch on television.

Neither do I. But the same way that BET took a stance against Eminem with his video that mocked MJ, they should also take a stance against artists that demean women. Not playing that disgusting filth isn't censorship, the artists are still free to create it, but they are not required to air it.

That's very true.  But television stations basically cater to their audience - if they think it'll fly (and there are no legal issues involved), they'll air it in the hopes of garnering more ratings.  It's really up to the consumers of media to put their foot down and request for certain things NOT to be aired.  Mysogynistic videos are sad and disgusting.  I've seen some Hip Hop videos where women are not objectified and treated w/ dignity - but these are becoming less frequent.  The bottom line is that women and sex sells.  Unless people starting sending out the message that they don't want to see such garbage on TV, it will continue.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 22, 2005, 10:17:09 PM
BET is another issue entirely....EH
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 22, 2005, 10:20:03 PM
I don't believe in censorship, but parents need to be responsible for what their children watch on television.

Neither do I. But the same way that BET took a stance against Eminem with his video that mocked MJ, they should also take a stance against artists that demean women. Not playing that disgusting filth isn't censorship, the artists are still free to create it, but they are not required to air it.

That's very true.  But television stations basically cater to their audience - if they think it'll fly (and there are no legal issues involved), they'll air it in the hopes of garnering more ratings.  It's really up to the consumers of media to put their foot down and request for certain things NOT to be aired.  Mysogynistic videos are sad and disgusting.  I've seen some Hip Hop videos where women are not objectified and treated w/ dignity - but these are becoming less frequent.  The bottom line is that women and sex sells.  Unless people starting sending out the message that they don't want to see such garbage on TV, it will continue.

true.  but what is it going to take to change the status quo?  how many people need to boycott the music videos and certain labels for the filth to stop coming through our air waves?  even stations like nickelodeon are falling into this pit.  i don't know about you all, but i don't want my kid bro watching this garbage at an early age and accepting it as the way things are.

we need to raise hell about it.  just the way minorities raised hell about not having a single character on the big tv channels a few years ago and something was done about it, we need to take make our voices heard.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 10:22:01 PM
I don't believe in censorship, but parents need to be responsible for what their children watch on television.

Neither do I. But the same way that BET took a stance against Eminem with his video that mocked MJ, they should also take a stance against artists that demean women. Not playing that disgusting filth isn't censorship, the artists are still free to create it, but they are not required to air it.


That's very true.  But television stations basically cater to their audience - if they think it'll fly (and there are no legal issues involved), they'll air it in the hopes of garnering more ratings.  It's really up to the consumers of media to put their foot down and request for certain things NOT to be aired.  Mysogynistic videos are sad and disgusting.  I've seen some Hip Hop videos where women are not objectified and treated w/ dignity - but these are becoming less frequent.  The bottom line is that women and sex sells.  Unless people starting sending out the message that they don't want to see such garbage on TV, it will continue.


So how do we accomplish this? Are we relying on men to take a stance as they are the main audience and buyers of it?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: pale_blue_sun on February 22, 2005, 10:31:41 PM
One way to BEGIN to solve this problem is to socialize our children differently.  We need to teach our kids that women and men ARE equal.  That women have as much to offer as men do.  And that women are NOT commodities! 

Parenting is an incredible responsibility, but it's one that people need to take seriously!  If parents are very concerned about the message that certain television programs/channels sends their kids, they need to cut off cable and use that time to do constructive things with their kids (or just spend quality time w/ them).  But if they choose to let their kids watch TV, it should be monitered.  Parents should spend the time to explain to their kids that some things on TV just aren't realistic - or right! 

One of the worst videos I've seen recently is that Fat Joe video (is that the one...is that the right artist?).  I was mortified w/ the way the women were portrayed  It was pathetic to say the least.  If a child were to be constantly bombarded w/ such images - what the hell are they supposed to think?  Seriously, I believe that 90% of the social problems in our world are because of BAD PARENTING. 

Seriously, would-be parents should go through a rigorous process in order to get a parenting license.     
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 22, 2005, 10:35:56 PM
One way to BEGIN to solve this problem is to socialize our children differently.  We need to teach our kids that women and men ARE equal.  That women have as much to offer as men do.  And that women are NOT commodities! 

Parenting is an incredible responsibility, but it's one that people need to take seriously!  If parents are very concerned about the message that certain television programs/channels sends their kids, they need to cut off cable and use that time to do constructive things with their kids (or just spend quality time w/ them).  But if they choose to let their kids watch TV, it should be monitered.  Parents should spend the time to explain to their kids that some things on TV just aren't realistic - or right! 

One of the worst videos I've seen recently is that Fat Joe video (is that the one...is that the right artist?).  I was mortified w/ the way the women were portrayed  It was pathetic to say the least.  If a child were to be constantly bombarded w/ such images - what the hell are they supposed to think?  Seriously, I believe that 90% of the social problems in our world are because of BAD PARENTING. 

Seriously, would-be parents should go through a rigorous process in order to get a parenting license.     

Good *&^%  :)

Do you think our parent's generation has failed us? Why or why not?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: pale_blue_sun on February 22, 2005, 10:47:34 PM
Hmmm...I don't really think our parents' generation has failed us really.  Like anything else, parenting can certainly be improved by succeeding generations.  Globally speaking, we are only beginning to see the trickle of awareness when it comes to women.  For so many people, talking about issues that deal w/ women may not have been option - so instead, many women suffered quietly.  Our generation is different I think b/c we talk a heck of a lot more about issues that surround women than perhaps our parents' generation did.  Does that make sense or was I talking in circles?  :P
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on February 22, 2005, 10:49:22 PM
Pale Blue Sun we still cool right? I was joking when I said I was gonna smash beer cans on Seu's head.

So with that said . . . where are the goodies? Grrrrrrggghhh . . . .

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: pale_blue_sun on February 23, 2005, 12:29:41 AM

So with that said . . . where are the goodies? Grrrrrrggghhh . . . .



I would send them over...  But I have no idea how to!  There doesn't seem to be a place to send attachments.   :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on February 23, 2005, 01:51:58 AM

So with that said . . . where are the goodies? Grrrrrrggghhh . . . .



I would send them over...  But I have no idea how to!  There doesn't seem to be a place to send attachments.   :-\


PBS, you can send by email.


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 23, 2005, 07:54:14 AM
The media is only part of the problem.  As I mentioned in my post, I stated that our participation in the perpetuation of negative stereotypes is DEFINITELY a problem.  Basically, we need to evaluate our own actions. However, to sit here and honestly say that young girls aren't affected by what they see on television is a lie.

Ladyday-I concur.  BET needs to pull the plug on some of their programming.  Like you said, the artists can make that trash all they want, but BET doesn't have to air it.  Conversely, there would not be a supply if there was not demand.  Which goes back to evaluating our own actions. People need to exert more "healthy" control in the lives of their children.  You can't teach an old dog new tricks, but we can influence this current generation and the ones that follow.

I think the new black cable channel TV1 provides a good alternative, but it needs to reach a wider audience.  Does anyone know if you have to have satellite to get this station?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 06:22:21 PM
Women suck. All over the got damn guy's thread even when *some* show hostility. And I see faith asked a valid question and the stupid f-ing men either made a joke out of it, glimmered over it, or completely ignored it. She ain't ask for no stats, even though they were interesting, she asked why is it that once black men get successful they marry white women. I would like black men to answer that question honestly, no holds bar, no holding back, @#!* hurt feelings. But I don't think that black men will ever really break it down and give a complete honest answer.

And since I'm talking to my got damn self and no one gives a @#!* here goes: I do hate it when I see an attractive black men with a white women. Especially if she's busted, which I think 50% of white women are. Well, I also thing 50% of black women are busted too so no one should take offense. If the black man isn't attractive I'm only mildly irritated. But I guess it comes from from my own sense of loyalty to black men and I see black men who date white women as betrayers. And it's that simple. I would never give my body to a white man. But black men be f-ing white women like rabbits. And my hostility isn't even towards the women, it's towards the black men. These men actually become useless towards the empowerment and improvement of the black community in my eyes. How you gonna tell your little baby girl to be a proud black woman and she looks up and sees a white blond blue-eyed white woman staring back at her? And THAT'S who you love. What kind of *&^% is that?

K, I'm done, but I'm an Angry Black Woman right now. Don't know where this rant came from, but it still feels good to release it  :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 06:23:21 PM
Oh, and didn't I say whoever the hell chose "Other" must explain. Women suck.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 06:24:02 PM
Hey, I care..give me a sec to catch up.. I see a lot of people have responded to the question I posed yesterday
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 23, 2005, 06:32:43 PM
Hey why isn't all of the above or where ever it fits, in the poll and can the guys get a view results link.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 06:34:33 PM
I think that one of the ways of changing the way that women deal with each other is to first accept the fact that we are women.. We need to find a way to support each other more in a society where men are the one's in control. It's all about uplift and respecting the fact that we've ALL had to deal with some sort of struggle. Be it financial, ethnicity, socio-economic, weight, whatever. We've all had something that we have to overcome. Instead of shitting on one another we need to realize that Each one of Us has something to offer to someone.

As far as the whole video thing is concerned, unfortunately we live in an era where kids priorities right are set at short skimpy clothing, gold fronts, and physical exposure- all in an attempt to get rich quick. I think that if more people that were in the position to help (by doing community service for instance) actually took the time out to visit some of these kids in community centers, boys/girls clubs, and within service programs that are started by our student gov orgs, we'd make a difference.

There are so many resources out there for these children, but the majority of them don't even know where to look for one reason or another. Even the city bar associations have Youth Lawyer programs where programs are developed for "inner city" youth. It sucks that the majority of the people that actually dedicate their time to doing these things aren't minorities.

I said all of that tangent to say, we're in a position now where we can make a difference in someone's life. Unfortunately some black kids don't have any role models in their families.. But how great would it be to see young female/male attorneys, and law students coming in and showing them different alternatives?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 06:35:31 PM
WoW ladyday...

::Passes her some water::

Breath now...it's going to be alright.  :-[
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 23, 2005, 06:38:19 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot I like the video hoes, It saves me from surfing for porn and has better soundtracks... One the other hand that is some demeaning ish. Why do women feel as if they have to show everything i.e. their bra, their thong, their ass crack, etc. Y'all are never gonna be on equal footing with men as long as hoes like that are in the spotlight. P.S. I personally love the thong showing and the cleaveage showing. And if I had to choose which girl to holla at for a quick booty call it would surely be video ho, err I mean JLo, err Beyonce, err pretty much any woman in a rap, r and b video.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 06:42:34 PM

. How you gonna tell your little baby girl to be a proud black woman and she looks up and sees a white blond blue-eyed white woman staring back at her? And THAT'S who you love. What kind of sh*t is that?

 
Now that's real talk. No matter how close Halle Berry (for example) is to her mother you know she had to come into accepting who she was (as a black woman) on her own...

At the end of the day, when people look at her they don't say.. Oh that's Halle Berry- she's biracial... They see Black
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 06:44:20 PM
They'll tell their baby to put a perm in her hair, wear contacts, and get surgery to thin her nose...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 06:46:24 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot I like the video hoes, It saves me from surfing for porn and has better soundtracks... One the other hand that is some demeaning ish. Why do women feel as if they have to show everything i.e. their bra, their thong, their ass crack, etc. Y'all are never gonna be on equal footing with men as long as hoes like that are in the spotlight. P.S. I personally love the thong showing and the cleaveage showing. And if I had to choose which girl to holla at for a quick booty call it would surely be video ho, err I mean JLo, err Beyonce, err pretty much any woman in a rap, r and b video.

At the end of the day, those aren't the women that upstanding men marry..
They'll tell their baby to put a perm in her hair, wear contacts, and get surgery to thin her nose...

Speaking of hair.. Have you seen the way that some of these white women let their biracial children walk out of the house??? Then they'll send them to talk shows for makeovers for having "extreme unmanageable" hair..it's disgusting.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 06:51:46 PM
Yeah I've seen that...there are way too many hair products and resources out there for them to be looking like lost orphans. My mom's neighbors adopted a little black girl (yeah I know what you are thinking) they had this cute little girl walking around like she was buckweed's sister. My mom finally couldn't take it anymore and offered to help them do her hair without resorting to perms.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 06:53:35 PM
Yeah I've seen that...there are way too many hair products and resources out there for them to be looking like lost orphans. My mom's neighbors adopted a little black girl (yeah I know what you are thinking) they had this cute little girl walking around like she was buckweed's sister. My mom finally couldn't take it anymore and offered to help them do her hair without resorting to perms.

Since you brought the adoption topic up..... what are your thoughts on white couples adopting black children?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 07:01:51 PM
Yeah I've seen that...there are way too many hair products and resources out there for them to be looking like lost orphans. My mom's neighbors adopted a little black girl (yeah I know what you are thinking) they had this cute little girl walking around like she was buckweed's sister. My mom finally couldn't take it anymore and offered to help them do her hair without resorting to perms.

Since you brought the adoption topic up..... what are your thoughts on white couples adopting black children?

OOOOOHhhh! don't even get me started on this one, Ugh!

I have to go watch the finale of Project Runway, but I have a screwed up story re: the whole adoption thing.

Regal: I think it maybe that I just bought a new pair of shoes and I'm walking around trying to break them in, they hurt!  :( :'( But I still stand behind everything I said.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 23, 2005, 07:12:01 PM
Women suck. All over the got damn guy's thread even when *some* show hostility. And I see faith asked a valid question and the stupid f-ing men either made a joke out of it, glimmered over it, or completely ignored it. She ain't ask for no stats, even though they were interesting, she asked why is it that once black men get successful they marry white women. I would like black men to answer that question honestly, no holds bar, no holding back, #@!* hurt feelings. But I don't think that black men will ever really break it down and give a complete honest answer.

And since I'm talking to my got damn self and no one gives a #@!* here goes: I do hate it when I see an attractive black men with a white women. Especially if she's busted, which I think 50% of white women are. Well, I also thing 50% of black women are busted too so no one should take offense. If the black man isn't attractive I'm only mildly irritated. But I guess it comes from from my own sense of loyalty to black men and I see black men who date white women as betrayers. And it's that simple. I would never give my body to a white man. But black men be f-ing white women like rabbits. And my hostility isn't even towards the women, it's towards the black men. These men actually become useless towards the empowerment and improvement of the black community in my eyes. How you gonna tell your little baby girl to be a proud black woman and she looks up and sees a white blond blue-eyed white woman staring back at her? And THAT'S who you love. What kind of sh*t is that?

K, I'm done, but I'm an Angry Black Woman right now. Don't know where this rant came from, but it still feels good to release it  :)

Ladyday, it's your board, so you say what you want.

I stayed away from the guys' thread.  I threw a couple of comments out there, but when I saw that they weren't really going to have any serious discussions, I pulled away.  Even Biting Panther contributed to the serious discussions that occurred on RM's thread.  i don't know why they're dodging so many issues.  Eh, it's their thread, so they're in their right.

I know I'm late.  I was grocery shopping.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 23, 2005, 07:18:04 PM
RE: interracial children, what do you ladies propose the parents do?

If I marry a man outside my race, I plan to instill in my children the values and history of both cultures equally.  I love and respect both my and my SO's culture, and I will definitely make sure my children appreciate the history, the values and the customs of both.

But what do you propose the parents of interracial children do other than to teach them where they come from?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 07:56:12 PM
LMAO Ladyday (So I'm not hte only one who wears shoes around the house to break them in) You are officially a diva.....


 As for adoption Blq, I rather have a black child be given a hope with loving parents over being left in a system until they are 18 years old. If I had a preference, I would like to see more black couples adopt, but that just doesn't happen. Black children are often the last to be adopted, especially black boys with dark skin. One of my mother's good friends is a social worker and she was explaining the "hierarchy" regarding black adoptions. Light skin baby girls are preferred the most, then light skin baby boys, dark skin girls, then dark skin boys. If the black child isn't adopted by age 5, their chances of ever finding a home go down to less than 10%. :'(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 23, 2005, 07:57:26 PM
Is anybody watching Ego Trip: Race-o-rama on VH1?  They're talking about this exact topic...

Edit: the topic of interracial relations that is. Actually, it was pretty good.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 08:00:34 PM
I am..or was. I tjust went off.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:01:25 PM
Is anybody watching Ego Trip: Race-o-rama on VH1?  They're talking about this exact topic...

Edit: the topic of interracial relations that is. Actually, it was pretty good.

I'll have to catch it when it comes back on tomorrow... I didn't realize that it was a week long show.. I thought that the "ghetto pass" episode was the only one
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 23, 2005, 08:04:01 PM
I am..or was. I tjust went off.

Why did Ms. Info have a gold cap?  She is so wack...

Warning: this is a generalization, but Asians have so many hang ups about blacks, and yet black culture is fetishized.  Why is that?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:04:44 PM
LMAO Ladyday (So I'm not hte only one who wears shoes around the house to break them in) You are officially a diva.....


 As for adoption Blq, I rather have a black child be given a hope with loving parents over being left in a system until they are 18 years old. If I had a preference, I would like to see more black couples adopt, but that just doesn't happen. Black children are often the last to be adopted, especially black boys with dark skin. One of my mother's good friends is a social worker and she was explaining the "hierarchy" regarding black adoptions. Light skin baby girls are preferred the most, then light skin baby boys, dark skin girls, then dark skin boys. If the black child isn't adopted by age 5, their chances of ever finding a home go down to less than 10%. :'(

I can definitely respect what you're saying. We'd all rather see children get adopted rather than be left in the system. I was watching Adoption Stories a few weeks ago on discovery health and a twin boy/girl were being adopted by a gay white male couple. I found it to be interesting and it made me wonder how a Judge would react to two gay black men wanting to adopt a white boy/girl twin.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 08:05:23 PM
Don't ask me man....gold teeth. I'm gonna get me some bling before law school. I'm going to show up at Harvard with gold fronts.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:07:33 PM
Don't ask me man....gold teeth. I'm gonna get me some bling before law school. I'm going to show up at Harvard with gold fronts.

You do that... I dare you LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 23, 2005, 08:08:13 PM
Is anybody watching Ego Trip: Race-o-rama on VH1?  They're talking about this exact topic...

Edit: the topic of interracial relations that is. Actually, it was pretty good.

I'll have to catch it when it comes back on tomorrow... I didn't realize that it was a week long show.. I thought that the "ghetto pass" episode was the only one

I think VH1 is running the whole week of specials sometime this weekend so you should be able to catch it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 23, 2005, 08:08:38 PM
WTF is wrong with gold fronts?  I wear them all the time! ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 08:10:47 PM
I swear to GOD I'll wear some gold fronts the first week of school.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 08:12:05 PM
LMAO Ladyday (So I'm not hte only one who wears shoes around the house to break them in) You are officially a diva.....


 As for adoption Blq, I rather have a black child be given a hope with loving parents over being left in a system until they are 18 years old. If I had a preference, I would like to see more black couples adopt, but that just doesn't happen. Black children are often the last to be adopted, especially black boys with dark skin. One of my mother's good friends is a social worker and she was explaining the "hierarchy" regarding black adoptions. Light skin baby girls are preferred the most, then light skin baby boys, dark skin girls, then dark skin boys. If the black child isn't adopted by age 5, their chances of ever finding a home go down to less than 10%. :'(


You know Regal I agree with everything you've said, but listen to this story........my little brother is adopted. We have had him since he was 1 mo old and officially adopted him when he was 3. His father is black and his mother is white. When my brother was around 4 years old DSS contacted my mother and told her how his crack ho mother had another baby, a little girl, and asked if she wanted her. Of COURSE my mother says cause she's the *&^% and she wants her son to go grow with his biological sister. So my mom got all excited and *&^% and got one of the spare bedrooms all set up and so on so forth preparing for the arrival of my brother's sister. So on the day of the arrival we wait around, 5PM, 6PM, 7PM, my mother's getting worried and calling everybody. This bitches are telling her, oh it's being delayed a little and so on so forth, well finally at 10PM these bitches tell my mom that the little girl's dad is white, therefore not biracial, fostercare nor adoption was no longer an option. End of story.  >:(

Should black families be allowed to adopt white babies??

EDIT: My mother was aware prior to the girl's arrival that she was 100% white, but she didn't give a @#!*. What happened was that some fool told the baby's crackhead father she was going to a black family and he said he didn't want his white daughter being brought up in a black family home, AND THEY DECIDED TO LISTEN TO HIS CRACKHEAD ASS, even though he had already signed away his rights. And it is also important to note that my brother has yet to ever meet his little sis who should be about 12 now, despite my mother's best efforts. She still wanted him to be a part of her life even though they would not allow her to adopt her.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:12:52 PM
I swear to GOD I'll wear some gold fronts the first week of school.

When you decide  where you're going to go, I'll be sure to get a flight and a hotel so that I can see this for myself..LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:15:02 PM



 This bitches are telling her, oh it's being delayed a little and so on so forth, well finally at 10PM these bitches tell my mom that the little girl's dad is white, therefore not biracial, fostercare nor adoption was no longer an option. End of story.  >:(



See..that's what I'm talking bout....that's nuts...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 23, 2005, 08:15:28 PM
LMAO Ladyday (So I'm not hte only one who wears shoes around the house to break them in) You are officially a diva.....


 As for adoption Blq, I rather have a black child be given a hope with loving parents over being left in a system until they are 18 years old. If I had a preference, I would like to see more black couples adopt, but that just doesn't happen. Black children are often the last to be adopted, especially black boys with dark skin. One of my mother's good friends is a social worker and she was explaining the "hierarchy" regarding black adoptions. Light skin baby girls are preferred the most, then light skin baby boys, dark skin girls, then dark skin boys. If the black child isn't adopted by age 5, their chances of ever finding a home go down to less than 10%. :'(


You know Regal I agree with everything you've said, but listen to this story........my little brother is adopted. We have had him since he was 1 mo old and officially adopted him when he was 3. His father is black and his mother is white. When my brother was around 4 years old DSS contacted my mother and told her how his crack ho mother had another baby, a little girl, and asked if she wanted her. Of COURSE my mother says cause she's the sh*t and she wants her son to go grow with his biological sister. So my mom got all excited and sh*t and got one of the spare bedrooms all set up and so on so forth preparing for the arrival of my brother's sister. So on the day of the arrival we wait around, 5PM, 6PM, 7PM, my mother's getting worried and calling everybody. This bitches are telling her, oh it's being delayed a little and so on so forth, well finally at 10PM these bitches tell my mom that the little girl's dad is white, therefore not biracial, fostercare nor adoption was no longer an option. End of story.  >:(

Should black families be allowed to adopt white babies??


Families period should have the option to adopt any child they want.  Of course, I think culture should be taken into consideration, but people still should be able to have choices.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 23, 2005, 08:17:45 PM
I swear to GOD I'll wear some gold fronts the first week of school.

Girl you better upgrade.  All we wear are platinum and diamonds. :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:18:52 PM
Ladies, how do you feel when a man approaches you with corn rows and throwbacks on? Do you feel that he doesn't care about his outward appearance and in turn fits the stigma of what is deemed a thug negro? Or is the "bad boy" image a turn on?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 08:21:12 PM
Hey why isn't all of the above or where ever it fits, in the poll and can the guys get a view results link.

I changed the poll per your request.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 08:23:02 PM
My bad blue....Thanks for the update.


lady: I'm really sorry to hear that about your mom. My dad actually has a foster child living with us who he is thinking of adopting (Only my little sisters are left at home anyway). He's been dealing with major bureaucratic bs as a result. One would think that since the system is overwhelmed with kids needing good homes, they would not have a problem with my dad adopting the little boy. He's so sweet too. I love him.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 23, 2005, 08:24:34 PM
lady: I'm really sorry to hear that about your mom. My dad actually has a foster child living with us who he is thinking of adopting (Only my little sisters are left at home anyway). He's been dealing with major bureaucratic bs as a result. One would think that since the system is overwhelmed with kids needing good homes, they would not have a problem with my dad adopting the little boy. He's so sweet too. I love him.

This is actually why so many people adopt from outside the country ... you'd think the US would make it easier, since it is a domestic issue. But nooo ...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on February 23, 2005, 08:25:07 PM
Ladies, how do you feel when a man approaches you with corn rows and throwbacks on? Do you feel that he doesn't care about his outward appearance and in turn fits the stigma of what is deemed a thug negro? Or is the "bad boy" image a turn on?

For the most part, I'm too old for the jersey crowd.  But if the brother was intelligent, I'd consider it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 23, 2005, 08:25:20 PM
Ladies, how do you feel when a man approaches you with corn rows and throwbacks on? Do you feel that he doesn't care about his outward appearance and in turn fits the stigma of what is deemed a thug negro? Or is the "bad boy" image a turn on?

I think at this point I'm indifferent. I think when I get older it will be more of an issue.  Having attended a black college, the land of wannabe thugs, some of the brightest people that I have met were "thugs"

In terms of appearance, I prefer the clean cut look, but I think that is because I'm into nerdy guys.  But I don't discriminate, and no, it doesn't turn me on.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:26:47 PM
Ladies, how do you feel when a man approaches you with corn rows and throwbacks on? Do you feel that he doesn't care about his outward appearance and in turn fits the stigma of what is deemed a thug negro? Or is the "bad boy" image a turn on?

I think at this point I'm indifferent. I think when I get older it will be more of an issue.  Having attended a black college, the land of wannabe thugs, some of the brightest people that I have met were "thugs"

In terms of appearance, I prefer the clean cut look, but I think that is because I'm into nerdy guys.  But I don't discriminate, and no, it doesn't turn me on.

that's right you went to HU... there were So many men dressed like that in DC
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 08:30:28 PM
Ladies, how do you feel when a man approaches you with corn rows and throwbacks on? Do you feel that he doesn't care about his outward appearance and in turn fits the stigma of what is deemed a thug negro? Or is the "bad boy" image a turn on?

I run away screaming from these types.  Sorry.

lol
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:30:59 PM
Ladies, how do you feel when a man approaches you with corn rows and throwbacks on? Do you feel that he doesn't care about his outward appearance and in turn fits the stigma of what is deemed a thug negro? Or is the "bad boy" image a turn on?

I run away screaming from these types.  Sorry.

basically..
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 23, 2005, 08:33:37 PM
Ladies, how do you feel when a man approaches you with corn rows and throwbacks on? Do you feel that he doesn't care about his outward appearance and in turn fits the stigma of what is deemed a thug negro? Or is the "bad boy" image a turn on?

I run away screaming from these types.  Sorry.


HAHAHA ;D Why?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 08:35:56 PM
I prefer 1Ls who drink wine in their avatar....tehehehhehe...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:36:35 PM
I prefer 1Ls who drink wine in their avatar....tehehehhehe...

Message! ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on February 23, 2005, 08:37:22 PM
I prefer 1Ls who drink wine in their avatar....tehehehhehe...

Well, alright! Let's just put it out there. LOL  :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 08:42:49 PM
Girl they scare me too...I ran all the time. Broke a heel trying to get away....This fool had some crusty corn rolls and tatoos all over the place.. (SCARY).

I like nerds...  :-[
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:44:51 PM
Girl they scare me too...I ran all the time. Broke a heel trying to get away....This fool had some crusty corn rolls and tatoos all over the place.. (SCARY).

I like nerds...  :-[

I've never seen an attorney with corn rows have you? I've seen a few guys working for FedEx with them though...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on February 23, 2005, 08:46:00 PM
Girl they scare me too...I ran all the time. Broke a heel trying to get away....This fool had some crusty corn rolls and tatoos all over the place.. (SCARY).

I like nerds...  :-[

We definitely don't do crust under any circumstances - nerdy or otherwise  :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 08:50:11 PM
I like....glasses too.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 23, 2005, 08:53:12 PM
I like....glasses too.

whay about glasses _and_ gold fronts. that's the dynamic duo.
have you guys seen those spinning gold teeth? http://www.triplexgoldteeth.com/

i need a guy whose teeth keep spinnin' every time he stops.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 23, 2005, 08:55:12 PM
I like....glasses too.

whay about glasses _and_ gold fronts. that's the dynamic duo.
have you guys seen those spinning gold teeth? http://www.triplexgoldteeth.com/

i need a guy whose teeth keep spinnin' every time he stops.

 :D :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 08:56:56 PM
Ladies, how do you feel when a man approaches you with corn rows and throwbacks on? Do you feel that he doesn't care about his outward appearance and in turn fits the stigma of what is deemed a thug negro? Or is the "bad boy" image a turn on?

Everyday I face this. Every single day that I leave my house to take the train anywhere. I feel that these brothas are just lost and need some direction. Well, I'm speaking right now of the ones on the corner. Now, brothas who have jobs and are trying to do them, I'm not gonna knock their hustle. And at the same time, I know bruhs who are doing the damn thing but feel more comfortable in the cornrows and throwbacks. Ladies don't sleep on these successful black men just based on appearances.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 09:12:52 PM
But why they gotta have gold "teefs"
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:00:01 PM
But why they gotta have gold "teefs"

 :D girl, I don't know. Not all of them do. I have a fetish for men who either have long dreads, bald, or cornrows. And with the bald brothers, they can't have anymore hair on their head then my husband Morris had in The Best Man.

Speaking of hair: I needs to get this off my chest too. I am soooo sick and tired of all this bashing on sistas who are not rocking "natural" styles ::). If you have your own personal preference or the men have a personal preference in women, it's all good BUT If I hear one more person tell me how women who straighten or wear weave do not have a sense of self I will literally know your ass to your knees. Ya don't know me like that. I am very much aware of my heritage and roots, and I embrace my African side wholly, but hell yeah I rock a weave. I rock afro weaves, I rock straight weaves, I rock whatever the hell I wanna 'cause I like variety. And IF I were to straighten my *&^%, it would fall down my back. I have no chemicals in my hair b/c I've chosen not to perm it, but if I do decide to go that route, I wouldn't lose anymore sense of self, in fact I just may gain some. My hair is very healthy, as it's protected from harmful chemicals and environment conditions, and ngs who wile out in the bedroom. Besides, it's what works for me and my lifestyle right now. I had this one fool go on and on in my face about how black women with perms and/or weaves are mentally ill and sistas like me need to help them out, not knowing the afro I was rocking was a WEAVE. So ya know I had to get em  ;) And then all of a sudden I became and "exception" well how many "exceptions" are out there? So a sista who wears her hair "natural" but is bulimic, hates black men, and thinks buy Louis Vuitton makes her special, has a better sense of self than a sista who loves black men, supports black artists, and execises for health not looks? Pulease  ::)

Furthermore, the whole "African-ness" thing is played. Women in Africa do not wear locs, most wear plaits and a large part of them use hair extensions to do so. Added "weave" to women's hair is a part of our history, including our history in Africa.


Personally, for me, the whole "natural" movement is another fad that pops up and I've been there, done that. It's a fad that is going strong and I think is beautiful, but it is a fad nonetheless. Many people who have had locs/dreads for years are cutting that *&^% out. One, b/c the hair holds a lot of energy and some of it they may want to cut lose, and Two, b/c they are ready for different things.

Women, love embrace and enjoy your hair. Do what's best for you and your lifestyle and your looks, straight hair doesn't look great on everyone, locs don't look good on everyone so on and so forth. Just be gentle to your hair and do all that you can to keep it healthy. Don't feel pressure to conform to society's Eurocentric view nor *some* of of brothas and sistas "Afrocentric" view. Do what you feel comfortable with, your hair should not define you unless you were already unsure of yourself.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 10:06:42 PM
We are just venting tonight aren't we LOL. I don't have a perm b/c of health reasons. Perms have chemicals in them that can burn the scalp and mess up hair growth. I wear my hair straight, curly, puffy, and the vase majority of the time in a ponytail. WHo cares! Do what works for you. If you have a weave, rock it. Just don't have Korean Silky ponytail and kunta kinte roots....Or a blonde phony pony and brown hair...Hair has nothing to do with one's blackness. I know a few natural sistas who are the biggest uncle toms walking around. The point is love yourself and work with what you have. Take pride in your apparance, not to get a man, but to feel good about yourself.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on February 23, 2005, 10:11:58 PM
We are just venting tonight aren't we LOL. I don't have a perm b/c of health reasons. Perms have chemicals in them that can burn the scalp and mess up hair growth. I wear my hair straight, curly, puffy, and the vase majority of the time in a ponytail. WHo cares! Do what works for you. If you have a weave, rock it. Just don't have Korean Silky ponytail and kunta kinte roots....Or a blonde phony pony and brown hair...Hair has nothing to do with one's blackness. I know a few natural sistas who are the biggest uncle toms walking around. The point is love yourself and work with what you have. Take pride in your apparance, not to get a man, but to feel good about yourself.

well put
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 23, 2005, 10:12:18 PM
i dunno. i told you guys that my stylist was trying to make me get a weave. he told me to go to some kind of fake hair shop, but i felt so abominably stupid after walking in there, that i fled without really looking at anything. the last thing i need are a bunch of koreans talking about me buying fake hair from their crappy store. i already have to deal with one korean woman who doesn't like me.
and i really don't understand why those stores are always run by koreans. this is not some absurd generalization, it's totally the truth. but in all fairness, they really know what they are talking about, in my experience. i remember a long time ago going to some beauty supply store and hearing some korean dame extolling the virtues of micro-yaky. i was like what the @#!*, but she was really up on her weave classifications-- definitely moreso than I was.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:12:33 PM
We are just venting tonight aren't we LOL. I don't have a perm b/c of health reasons. Perms have chemicals in them that can burn the scalp and mess up hair growth. I wear my hair straight, curly, puffy, and the vase majority of the time in a ponytail. WHo cares! Do what works for you. If you have a weave, rock it. Just don't have Korean Silky ponytail and kunta kinte roots....Or a blonde phony pony and brown hair...Hair has nothing to do with one's blackness. I know a few natural sistas who are the biggest uncle toms walking around. The point is love yourself and work with what you have. Take pride in your apparance, not to get a man, but to feel good about yourself.

My feet are f-ing killin me  ;) so I'm talking it out on my poor keyboard and this board. I can't believe how lovely my feet are considering all the trauma I put them through. I'm tall like you (5'9) and when I wear flat shoes, it hurts more than if I wear a shoe with a heel :-\  
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:14:47 PM
i dunno. i told you guys that my stylist was trying to make me get a weave. he told me to go to some kind of fake hair shop, but i felt so abominably stupid after walking in there, that i fled without really looking at anything. the last thing i need are a bunch of koreans talking about me buying fake hair from their crappy store. i already have to deal with one korean woman who doesn't like me.
and i really don't understand why those stores are always run by koreans. this is not some absurd generalization, it's totally the truth. but in all fairness, they really know what they are talking about, in my experience. i remember a long time ago going to some beauty supply store and hearing some korean dame extolling the virtues of micro-yaky. i was like what the @#!*, but she was really up on her weave classifications-- definitely moreso than I was.

See but why? Is it b/c he things your hair needs a rest from all the processing? Then that makes sense. But if YOU didn't bring it up he shouldn't have. Yeah, I think when I see chicks with brown hair color and their weave is jet black, that seems tacky to me. But like I said do you, I just hate when people judge people on hair, what kind of sense does that make?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 23, 2005, 10:16:07 PM
i dunno. i told you guys that my stylist was trying to make me get a weave. he told me to go to some kind of fake hair shop, but i felt so abominably stupid after walking in there, that i fled without really looking at anything. the last thing i need are a bunch of koreans talking about me buying fake hair from their crappy store. i already have to deal with one korean woman who doesn't like me.
and i really don't understand why those stores are always run by koreans. this is not some absurd generalization, it's totally the truth. but in all fairness, they really know what they are talking about, in my experience. i remember a long time ago going to some beauty supply store and hearing some korean dame extolling the virtues of micro-yaky. i was like what the #@!*, but she was really up on her weave classifications-- definitely moreso than I was.

I suppose this is mostly a rhetorical question, but how do you know they are Korean as opposed to any other kind of Asian?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on February 23, 2005, 10:18:04 PM
My feet are f-ing killin me  ;) so I'm talking it out on my poor keyboard and this board. I can't believe how lovely my feet are considering all the trauma I put them through. I'm tall like you (5'9) and when I wear flat shoes, it hurts more than if I wear a shoe with a heel :-\  

Why does it hurt to wear flat shoes cuz you're tall?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 23, 2005, 10:18:37 PM
because they speak korean.

korean and japanese are the only well-represented non-tonal asian languages that you hear in the US, and they sound totally different.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:19:38 PM
i dunno. i told you guys that my stylist was trying to make me get a weave. he told me to go to some kind of fake hair shop, but i felt so abominably stupid after walking in there, that i fled without really looking at anything. the last thing i need are a bunch of koreans talking about me buying fake hair from their crappy store. i already have to deal with one korean woman who doesn't like me.
and i really don't understand why those stores are always run by koreans. this is not some absurd generalization, it's totally the truth. but in all fairness, they really know what they are talking about, in my experience. i remember a long time ago going to some beauty supply store and hearing some korean dame extolling the virtues of micro-yaky. i was like what the #@!*, but she was really up on her weave classifications-- definitely moreso than I was.

I suppose this is mostly a rhetorical question, but how do you know they are Korean as opposed to any other kind of Asian?

b/c if you ever screwed around and called them mufukkas Chinese or Japanese at some point those mufakkas cussed yo ass out and let u know they're Korean  ;). Look, everyone in the black community knows the Koreans got the hair business on lock down.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 23, 2005, 10:21:52 PM
Pardon my particular sensitivity to the issue, but my sisters are Asian and I have a real problem with Asian stereotypes.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 10:22:30 PM
Damn..Koreans got the hair business in Cali on lock down too. I thought it was just a west coast thing...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:23:19 PM
My feet are f-ing killin me  ;) so I'm talking it out on my poor keyboard and this board. I can't believe how lovely my feet are considering all the trauma I put them through. I'm tall like you (5'9) and when I wear flat shoes, it hurts more than if I wear a shoe with a heel :-\  

Why does it hurt to wear flat shoes cuz you're tall?

No, cuz I've been wearing heels since I learned how to walk, so I've got a hella arch, and so flats just hurt  :-\ :-[  
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 10:23:59 PM
Hey ladies. I'm thinking about getting a jheri curl. Should I? I'm trying to be really greasy when I roll up to Harvard. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 23, 2005, 10:25:11 PM
Hey ladies. I'm thinking about getting a jheri curl. Should I? I'm trying to be really greasy when I roll up to Harvard. What do you guys think?

I think you will have no problem landing a date with any member of the Queer Caucus.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:25:48 PM
Pardon my particular sensitivity to the issue, but my sisters are Asian and I have a real problem with Asian stereotypes.

I'm not stereotyping. And I'm not dismissing your sensitivity but, excuse me if I come across short as that is not my intention, you can do your own research and go on a little field trip into the ghettos of CA, and I bet your 99% of the hair shop owners in the black communities are Koreans.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on February 23, 2005, 10:26:43 PM
My feet are f-ing killin me  ;) so I'm talking it out on my poor keyboard and this board. I can't believe how lovely my feet are considering all the trauma I put them through. I'm tall like you (5'9) and when I wear flat shoes, it hurts more than if I wear a shoe with a heel :-\  

Why does it hurt to wear flat shoes cuz you're tall?

No, cuz I've been wearing heels since I learned how to walk, so I've got a hella arch, and so flats just hurt  :-\ :-[  

Gotcha.. I on the other hand, cant stand heels. I think they'll be mandatory for my little girl (when i have her).
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 10:27:28 PM
Hey ladies. I'm thinking about getting a jheri curl. Should I? I'm trying to be really greasy when I roll up to Harvard. What do you guys think?

I think you will have no problem landing a date with any member of the Queer Caucus.

Is that a gay joke? Pardon my particular sensitivity to the issue, but I knew a gay guy once and I have a real problem with gay stereotypes.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 10:30:08 PM
RBG..that wasn't a jherl curl in the picture your sent me? Ooooooooooo LOL.  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 10:32:06 PM
RBG..that wasn't a jherl curl in the picture your sent me? Ooooooooooo LOL.  ;D

That was like a year old. I have a curly fro now. All I need to do is add some juice to it and I'll be all set.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 10:33:04 PM
Look at negros sending old a$$ pictures of themselves.  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 23, 2005, 10:33:58 PM
Pardon my particular sensitivity to the issue, but my sisters are Asian and I have a real problem with Asian stereotypes.

yes, heaven forbid i offend you by making a statement that everyone knows is true.  ::)

i am offended because i know asians! i am offended because i sleep with black guys!. i am offended because i have a low LSAT score! i am offended because no one should ask someone else about their grades! i am offended because someone dares question the words of wisdom i spout, unprovoked, at the drop of a hat!

it seems like the only way to avoid offending you is to avoid conversing with you, so i think that after this post i will do just that. your false moral superiority has disgusted me from the moment i started posting on this board.

i wish you a happy life. good night.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 10:34:24 PM
Look at negros sending old a$$ pictures of themselves.  ;D

LOL. My camera phone for some reason won't send photos anymore. Weird really...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:35:00 PM
Pardon my particular sensitivity to the issue, but my sisters are Asian and I have a real problem with Asian stereotypes.

yes, heaven forbid i offend you by making a statement that everyone knows is true. ::)

i am offended because i know asians! i am offended because i sleep with black guys!. i am offended because i have a low LSAT score! i am offended because no one should ask someone else about their grades! i am offended because someone dares question the words of wisdom i spout, unprovoked, at the drop of a hat!

it seems like the only way to avoid offending you is to avoid conversing with you, so i think that after this post i will do just that. your false moral superiority has disgusted me from the moment i started posting on this board.

i wish you a happy life. good night.

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 10:35:53 PM
Pardon my particular sensitivity to the issue, but my sisters are Asian and I have a real problem with Asian stereotypes.

yes, heaven forbid i offend you by making a statement that everyone knows is true.  ::)

i am offended because i know asians! i am offended because i sleep with black guys!. i am offended because i have a low LSAT score! i am offended because no one should ask someone else about their grades! i am offended because someone dares question the words of wisdom i spout, unprovoked, at the drop of a hat!

it seems like the only way to avoid offending you is to avoid conversing with you, so i think that after this post i will do just that. your false moral superiority has disgusted me from the moment i started posting on this board.

i wish you a happy life. good night.


Whoa...

It's official. Not another person on here better call Regal Muse an meanie anymore. JLF has just taken that title away from me. Geez...The women on the board are fiesty tonight! If I was a man, I would be turned on.  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:36:35 PM
Look at negros sending old a$$ pictures of themselves.  ;D

LOL. My camera phone for some reason won't send photos anymore. Weird really...

Whateva  ::), you know you sent a pic of your man cuz you look like Shrek  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 23, 2005, 10:36:56 PM
Hey ladies. I'm thinking about getting a jheri curl. Should I? I'm trying to be really greasy when I roll up to Harvard. What do you guys think?

I think you will have no problem landing a date with any member of the Queer Caucus.

Is that a gay joke? Pardon my particular sensitivity to the issue, but I knew a gay guy once and I have a real problem with gay stereotypes.

What gay stereotype was I supposedly perpetuating?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 10:38:10 PM
Hey ladies. I'm thinking about getting a jheri curl. Should I? I'm trying to be really greasy when I roll up to Harvard. What do you guys think?

I think you will have no problem landing a date with any member of the Queer Caucus.

Is that a gay joke? Pardon my particular sensitivity to the issue, but I knew a gay guy once and I have a real problem with gay stereotypes.

What gay stereotype was I supposedly perpetuating?

It was purposefully specious.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:38:51 PM
Pardon my particular sensitivity to the issue, but my sisters are Asian and I have a real problem with Asian stereotypes.

yes, heaven forbid i offend you by making a statement that everyone knows is true.  ::)

i am offended because i know asians! i am offended because i sleep with black guys!. i am offended because i have a low LSAT score! i am offended because no one should ask someone else about their grades! i am offended because someone dares question the words of wisdom i spout, unprovoked, at the drop of a hat!

it seems like the only way to avoid offending you is to avoid conversing with you, so i think that after this post i will do just that. your false moral superiority has disgusted me from the moment i started posting on this board.

i wish you a happy life. good night.


Whoa...

It's official. Not another person on here better call Regal Muse an meanie anymore. JLF has just taken that title away from me. Geez...The women on the board are fiesty tonight! If I was a man, I would be turned on.  ;)


Ummmm <gulps> ladies  :-[ :-\ please retrack the claws, please??
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 23, 2005, 10:39:50 PM
 ::) No comment.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 10:40:04 PM
Look at negros sending old a$$ pictures of themselves.  ;D

LOL. My camera phone for some reason won't send photos anymore. Weird really...

Whateva  ::), you know you sent a pic of your man cuz you look like Shrek  :D

Maybe I'm ugly. Maybe I'm not. But I do NOT look like Shrek and nor do I send fake photos. You just ruined your chance to ride the RBG-Train-Of-Love. Good day ma'am!  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 23, 2005, 10:40:40 PM
that was all.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 10:41:37 PM
 :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 23, 2005, 10:41:59 PM
Look at negros sending old a$$ pictures of themselves.  ;D

LOL. My camera phone for some reason won't send photos anymore. Weird really...

Whateva  ::), you know you sent a pic of your man cuz you look like Shrek  :D

Maybe I'm ugly. Maybe I'm not. But I do NOT look like Shrek and nor do I send fake photos. You just ruined your chance to ride the RBG-Train-Of-Love. Good day ma'am!  :D

The train of love?  Sounds interesting.

So, um, I know I said all that *&^% about you, but I find Shrek kinda sexy...so, um, you wanna hop in the broom closet?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:42:20 PM
Look at negros sending old a$$ pictures of themselves.  ;D

LOL. My camera phone for some reason won't send photos anymore. Weird really...

Whateva  ::), you know you sent a pic of your man cuz you look like Shrek  :D

Maybe I'm ugly. Maybe I'm not. But I do NOT look like Shrek and nor do I send fake photos. You just ruined your chance to ride the RBG-Train-Of-Love. Good day ma'am!  :D

<ladyday almost knocks herself out as she accidentally falls into the coffee table in a hysterical fit of laughter>
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 10:43:35 PM
Look at negros sending old a$$ pictures of themselves.  ;D

LOL. My camera phone for some reason won't send photos anymore. Weird really...

Whateva  ::), you know you sent a pic of your man cuz you look like Shrek  :D

Maybe I'm ugly. Maybe I'm not. But I do NOT look like Shrek and nor do I send fake photos. You just ruined your chance to ride the RBG-Train-Of-Love. Good day ma'am!  :D

The train of love?  Sounds interesting.

So, um, I know I said all that sh*t about you, but I find Shrek kinda sexy...so, um, you wanna hop in the broom closet?

Is Lexington in there? hahaha I kid... I kid...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 23, 2005, 10:44:34 PM
Look at negros sending old a$$ pictures of themselves.  ;D

LOL. My camera phone for some reason won't send photos anymore. Weird really...

Whateva  ::), you know you sent a pic of your man cuz you look like Shrek  :D

Maybe I'm ugly. Maybe I'm not. But I do NOT look like Shrek and nor do I send fake photos. You just ruined your chance to ride the RBG-Train-Of-Love. Good day ma'am!  :D

The train of love?  Sounds interesting.

So, um, I know I said all that sh*t about you, but I find Shrek kinda sexy...so, um, you wanna hop in the broom closet?

Is Lexington in there? hahaha I kid... I kid...

Well, I don't normally do threesomes, but Lexington IS a very pretty girl. :D

JK.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 10:45:14 PM
Wait...lady did this negro just say Train of Love?

Wow....


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 10:45:55 PM
Wait...lady did this negro just say Train of Love?

Wow....




LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 10:48:50 PM
RBG you are such a #%@!!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 10:50:02 PM
RBG you are such a #%@!!

haha - admit it. I make you laugh!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 10:51:27 PM
To the point where I want to piss. Yes you do.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 10:56:33 PM
Wait...lady did this negro just say Train of Love?

Wow....




I'll admit it, I was laughing so hard at the absurdity of his suggestion that my roomies were like  :o :-\ are u ok? I think I have a headache now............
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on February 23, 2005, 11:02:30 PM
yo, i'm mad late, and about to go to bed but i just had to say i think timbs and locs are sexy! and i am currently trying to reform and look more closely at the clean cut brothas. i think its more conducive to my actual (somewhat bookish) personality. good night ladies!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 23, 2005, 11:03:01 PM
Wait...lady did this negro just say Train of Love?

Wow....




I'll admit it, I was laughing so hard at the absurdity of his suggestion that my roomies were like  :o :-\ are u ok? I think I have a headache now............

it wasn't THAT absurd was it?

Come on. You haven't thought about it? Not once? A smart funny guy, who may or may not look like Shrek. Not once? Come on. Lets be real. Come on....
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 23, 2005, 11:16:29 PM
Wait...lady did this negro just say Train of Love?

Wow....




I'll admit it, I was laughing so hard at the absurdity of his suggestion that my roomies were like  :o :-\ are u ok? I think I have a headache now............

it wasn't THAT absurd was it?

Come on. You haven't thought about it? Not once? A smart funny guy, who may or may not look like Shrek. Not once? Come on. Lets be real. Come on....

Yes, I was dreaming, and it was a nightmare.


I've been thinking about a way to say this as I ain't trying to start *&^% b/c  bickering over dumb *&^% is unnecessary, BUT I do hate fake bitches, and JLF has gots to be one of the REALEST muffuckas on this female dog. At least she puts it all out there. Like Regal had referenced, chicks may be PM'ing people about her, but be PM'ing her and through AIM on some  ;D in your face *&^%. Let's just keep it real.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 23, 2005, 11:58:52 PM
Yeah I can't stand the fake stuff. If you dislike me then so be it...but don't pretend to be my buddy when you really can't stand me you know...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lils on February 24, 2005, 01:19:25 AM


Bluenine: There is a lot of hostility towards Americans in general because a lot of Americans are somewhat disrespectful when they go to overseas. As for Africans, some of them only see the negative images of African Americans on tv, so they have the preconceived stereotype.


EDIT: Do not censor my post please. If necessary move it to the hater board.


Having traveled to Africa myself and asked some citizens that very question, I would also add that many Africans feel resentful toward African Americans because they don't feel we do enough to help them with the AIDS, famine, poverty crises, etc.  Many of them believe we are all affluent, being citizens of the richest nation in the world, and for the most part aren't aware of the obstacles we face in America.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 08:05:44 AM
Damn..Koreans got the hair business in Cali on lock down too. I thought it was just a west coast thing...

Naw girl, they're everywhere... making sure u aren't in there to steal some hair oil
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 08:07:03 AM
Hey ladies. I'm thinking about getting a jheri curl. Should I? I'm trying to be really greasy when I roll up to Harvard. What do you guys think?

I think you will have no problem landing a date with any member of the Queer Caucus.

Is that a gay joke? Pardon my particular sensitivity to the issue, but I knew a gay guy once and I have a real problem with gay stereotypes.
:D :D you @$$ LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 08:11:42 AM
yo, i'm mad late, and about to go to bed but i just had to say i think timbs and locs are sexy! and i am currently trying to reform and look more closely at the clean cut brothas. i think its more conducive to my actual (somewhat bookish) personality. good night ladies!

Nothing wrong with tims and locs..but cornrows?? there's nothing professional about that.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 08:19:47 AM
Lil_token,

I am seriously asking this with a heavy heart..Can you please, please take down that photo. It shows our black men in a negative and unattractive light. It perpetuates an image of a man getting ready to get racially profiled. To be quite honest,the photo sets us back a bit.

If you want to put a photo up of your man/ex whatever he is, at least find a photo of him that doesn't portray the bottom rung image..


That photo alone gives some of the other posters on this board the ammo to insinuate that we are inferior to them.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on February 24, 2005, 08:36:46 AM
aw blk_reign, there's nothing wrong with cornrows, but yeah, sometimes when I see guys with them, I can't help but ask, do you have a job? but I don't understand why you think the avatar shows black people in a bad light? some white folks will look at any picture of a black man and think he looks menacing even if he's in a suit and tie.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 08:41:28 AM
I don't see any problems either. Just my opinion for whatever that's worth...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 08:45:08 AM
aw blk_reign, there's nothing wrong with cornrows, but yeah, sometimes when I see guys with them, I can't help but ask, do you have a job? but I don't understand why you think the avatar shows black people in a bad light? some white folks will look at any picture of a black man and think he looks menacing even if he's in a suit and tie.

It isn't just about the cornrows, faith :). The cornrows do speak volumes in that specific picture however... But the guy just looks extremely remedial in that photo..


I was talking to HBC about it and this is what he said..

He looks like the slummiest, nastiest, most ghettoIST representation of the black community. He's our white trash..
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 24, 2005, 08:46:09 AM
aw blk_reign, there's nothing wrong with cornrows, but yeah, sometimes when I see guys with them, I can't help but ask, do you have a job? but I don't understand why you think the avatar shows black people in a bad light? some white folks will look at any picture of a black man and think he looks menacing even if he's in a suit and tie.

I guess I'm out of the loop, but I thought that was actually lil token. My bad :-\  In regard to it being offensive, how so?  It's a guy in cornrows...

Also, I have a question in general.  How did we come to distinguish the appropriateness of locs vs. cornrows in a corporate setting?  How is one better than the other?  I like both of them on men.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 08:46:37 AM
aw blk_reign, there's nothing wrong with cornrows, but yeah, sometimes when I see guys with them, I can't help but ask, do you have a job? but I don't understand why you think the avatar shows black people in a bad light? some white folks will look at any picture of a black man and think he looks menacing even if he's in a suit and tie.

It isn't just about the cornrows, faith :). The cornrows do speak volumes in that specific picture however... But the guy just looks extremely remedial in that photo..


I was talking to HBC about it and this is what he said..

He looks like the slummiest, nastiest, most ghettoIST representation of the black community. He's our white trash..


WOW... And I thought I was mean!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 08:48:33 AM
I just believe that the way that you look is a deep representation of the way you think. The way you wear your hair,style of dress-  it is a part of who you are..It isn't just about the hair IMO

Faith would you marry a man that carried himself as such?

RBG would you roll into a Harvard Moot Court Trial like that? I'm just saying, have pride in all you do.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 08:50:03 AM
Lil_token,

I am seriously asking this with a heavy heart..Can you please, please take down that photo. It shows our black men in a negative and unattractive light. It perpetuates an image of a man getting ready to get racially profiled. To be quite honest,the photo sets us back a bit.

If you want to put a photo up of your man/ex whatever he is, at least find a photo of him that doesn't portray the bottom rung image..


That photo alone gives some of the other posters on this board the ammo to insinuate that we are inferior to them.

I actually posted this yesterday on the black women's thread:

"Lil Token, I'm giving you a day pass on your avatar, but I can't guarantee that I won't say something tomorrow"

It didn't bother me in the way it bothered you though Blk.  The first thing that came to my mind when I saw what was written below the avatar was something like "hmmmm mmm good, here's a picture of my chocolate lover, he melts in my mouth but not in my hands" or something equally as cheesy.  It just threw me off.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 08:51:25 AM
I just believe that the way that you look is a deep representation of the way you think. The way you wear your hair,style of dress-  it is a part of who you are..It isn't just about the hair IMO

Faith would you marry a man that carried himself as such?

RBG would you roll into a Harvard Moot Court Trial like that? I'm just saying, have pride in all you do.

Nah - but that's 'cause I'm one of those pretty boy types...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 08:52:41 AM
Lil_token,

I am seriously asking this with a heavy heart..Can you please, please take down that photo. It shows our black men in a negative and unattractive light. It perpetuates an image of a man getting ready to get racially profiled. To be quite honest,the photo sets us back a bit.

If you want to put a photo up of your man/ex whatever he is, at least find a photo of him that doesn't portray the bottom rung image..


That photo alone gives some of the other posters on this board the ammo to insinuate that we are inferior to them.

I actually posted this yesterday on the black women's thread:

"Lil Token, I'm giving you a day pass on your avatar, but I can't guarantee that I won't say something tomorrow"

It didn't bother me in the way it bothered you though Blk.  The first thing that came to my mind when I saw what was written below the avatar was something like "hmmmm mmm good, here's a picture of my chocolate lover, he melts in my mouth but not in my hands" or something equally as cheesy.  It just threw me off.

That too... I agree 100%, I noticed you posting that yesterday and I thought about that as well
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 08:59:39 AM
I just believe that the way that you look is a deep representation of the way you think. The way you wear your hair,style of dress-  it is a part of who you are..It isn't just about the hair IMO

Faith would you marry a man that carried himself as such?

RBG would you roll into a Harvard Moot Court Trial like that? I'm just saying, have pride in all you do.

Nah - but that's 'cause I'm one of those pretty boy types...
:D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 09:02:49 AM

Also, I have a question in general.  How did we come to distinguish the appropriateness of locs vs. cornrows in a corporate setting?  How is one better than the other?  I like both of them on men.

Simply put, it's considered more professional and more socially  accepted for men in the workplace. Why??  That isn't something that I can answer.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 09:03:26 AM
I just believe that the way that you look is a deep representation of the way you think. The way you wear your hair,style of dress-  it is a part of who you are..It isn't just about the hair IMO

Faith would you marry a man that carried himself as such?

RBG would you roll into a Harvard Moot Court Trial like that? I'm just saying, have pride in all you do.

Nah - but that's 'cause I'm one of those pretty boy types...
:D

What's so funny? I'm just overly cute. I couldn't be ugly if I tried.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 09:16:25 AM
Blk_rein, I am shocked by what you have to say.  Remedial?  What do you know about him?  Who are you to make a value judgment about someone based on the way that they look.  This individual happens to be a person I care about very much and I am appalled that you would make such comments about him.  If you think that corn rows, braids, etc. -- traditionally African hairstyles -- result in a negative image, then you have some self-hatred issues going on that I can't help you with.  Is he supposed to get a perm and dress "white" for you to be happy?  Honestly, I would expect more of a woman who purports to be educated and progressive.

Regarding the caption - I don't feel there's anything wrong with expressing that I am attracted to a man, no matter what his color.  It is not demeaning and actually originated from an inside joke between the two of us.  HE does not feel objectified -- or remedial for that matter -- and that's what matters most to me.

On that basis, I cannot comply with your request.  Thank you in advance for understanding.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on February 24, 2005, 09:20:19 AM
yeah, I guess if a guy had cornrows and he's over 21 I would question his aspirations in life. Unless he's in the music biz, he would not be allowed to dress that way and still be in a position of power. but I am guilty of pushing the limits of corp. dress. I've started wearing my pumas to work  :) That being said, in principle I think that black people should be able to wear their hair however they want in any type of job and I think we should try to make that happen in the future. i went to a poetry reading yesterday and this sista read a poem asking what if the tables were turned and all white people had been slaves, and 400 years later their daughter came home with locs to conform to corporate culture, would they look at it differently. just a thought.

and oh yeah, that caption does make it a little weird for me, just like if a white guy had a picture up of some black grl with an up-do and had that underneath it, i'd be like, um, is that really the message you want to send?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 09:25:27 AM
yeah, I guess if a guy had cornrows and he's over 21 I would question his aspirations in life. Unless he's in the music biz, he would not be allowed to dress that way and still be in a position of power. but I am guilty of pushing the limits of corp. dress. I've started wearing my pumas to work  :) That being said, in principle I think that black people should be able to wear their hair however they want in any type of job and I think we should try to make that happen in the future. i went to a poetry reading yesterday and this sista read a poem asking what if the tables were turned and all white people had been slaves, and 400 years later their daughter came home with locs to conform to corporate culture, would they look at it differently. just a thought.

and oh yeah, that caption does make it a little weird for me, just like if a white guy had a picture up of some black grl with an up-do and had that underneath it, i'd be like, um, is that really the message you want to send?

I have friends in college with cornrows. Black people shouldn't be so judgmental of each other.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 09:28:14 AM
yeah, I guess if a guy had cornrows and he's over 21 I would question his aspirations in life. Unless he's in the music biz, he would not be allowed to dress that way and still be in a position of power. but I am guilty of pushing the limits of corp. dress. I've started wearing my pumas to work  :) That being said, in principle I think that black people should be able to wear their hair however they want in any type of job and I think we should try to make that happen in the future. i went to a poetry reading yesterday and this sista read a poem asking what if the tables were turned and all white people had been slaves, and 400 years later their daughter came home with locs to conform to corporate culture, would they look at it differently. just a thought.

and oh yeah, that caption does make it a little weird for me, just like if a white guy had a picture up of some black grl with an up-do and had that underneath it, i'd be like, um, is that really the message you want to send?

He is a football player/aspiring hip hop artist, however I don't think there would be a damn thing wrong if he was a corporate CEO.  He's expressing himself and his culture and the bottom line is that he ought to be able to do so without attracting hostility, especially from his own people.  It's bad enough that the white people demean African-American culture though the unacceptance of hairstyles of African origin. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on February 24, 2005, 09:40:26 AM
ROFL y'all are cracking me up.  I've missed you--yes, even you RBG; I hope you've been working on that book. ;)


just a comment on something token said--
"If you think that corn rows, braids, etc. -- traditionally African hairstyles -- result in a negative image, then you have some self-hatred issues going on that I can't help you with."  Well you are half right, those are traditional hairstyles FOR WOMEN.  The last time I was getting my hair braided, the braider was talking to a couple other people about how crazy it was in traditional African culture for a man to braid his hair--I do believe the phrase they used was "it is an abomination."  Then I thought about it--how many African men do you see sporting corn rows?  Not many.  Take that as you will.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 09:41:24 AM
I said he LOOKS remedial in that picture..and he does.I didn't say that he in fact IS remedial....it isn't solely about the cornrows, I already said that....

I even suggested you find a better picture of him.

He perpetuates a negative image in that picture.. Not his cornrows, not braids etc.. I never said that...

Don't talk to me about African or African American culture because you're dating a black man... You really don't want to go there with me... Just because you've picked up a few history books and dated some black men and have some black friends doesn't give you the right to talk to me about MY culture..

What's dressing "white"??

Football player/ aspiring hip/hop artist... why isn't that surprising? At some point in life it's time to have higher goals and let those little boy dreams go.. that's fine for a hobby but step up your game
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 09:42:39 AM
ROFL y'all are cracking me up.  I've missed you--yes, even you RBG; I hope you've been working on that book. ;)


just a comment on something token said--
"If you think that corn rows, braids, etc. -- traditionally African hairstyles -- result in a negative image, then you have some self-hatred issues going on that I can't help you with."  Well you are half right, those are traditional hairstyles FOR WOMEN.  The last time I was getting my hair braided, the braider was talking to a couple other people about how crazy it was in traditional African culture for a man to braid his hair--I do believe the phrase they used was "it is an abomination."  Then I thought about it--how many African men do you see sporting corn rows?  Not many.  Take that as you will.

Basically...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 09:44:22 AM
Hey etruman, did you get an SEO interview?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 09:44:40 AM
You know it's funny lil_token, you didn't have a word to say about HBCU's comment about the matter.. In fact, his opinion is a lot more hurtful than mine should ever be.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on February 24, 2005, 09:45:27 AM
Hey etruman, did you get an SEO interview?

RBG, did you?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on February 24, 2005, 09:46:22 AM
i don't think i was being judgemental. (were y'all responding to my post? b/c i said i think black men with cornrows are cool) i wear my hair in cornrows sometimes and I wear headwraps too. i am all for pushing the limits of corporate culture like i said. But, I know that for a black man, to get a job outside of the entertainment or sports industries with cornrows is near to impossible. I mean some white folks don't want you working at applebee's with cornrows! my friend is an ibanker in nyc and he won't dance in front of his co-workers b/c they always ask him to show them some moves.
I wish my brotha luck in his aspirations though, and then once he's made the money and becomes the ceo of his own corp. he can make the rules. i def. think that white folks in they thought about the tables being turned would begin to understand things a bit differently. like i said what if caucasians started locing their hair? to the same extent that they try to tan and get collagen in their lips?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 09:47:22 AM
Hey etruman, did you get an SEO interview?

RBG, did you?

Yes. And stop answering questions with questions, woman.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 09:48:54 AM
aw blk_reign, there's nothing wrong with cornrows, but yeah, sometimes when I see guys with them, I can't help but ask, do you have a job? but I don't understand why you think the avatar shows black people in a bad light? some white folks will look at any picture of a black man and think he looks menacing even if he's in a suit and tie.

It isn't just about the cornrows, faith :). The cornrows do speak volumes in that specific picture however... But the guy just looks extremely remedial in that photo..


I was talking to HBC about it and this is what he said..

He looks like the slummiest, nastiest, most ghettoIST representation of the black community. He's our white trash..



wow.  am shocked that lil token responded so politely to your comments.  i've sported rows on and off before and i'm a well-educated-on-my-way to ls man.  people of color should be the last ones to judge others based on outward appearance - the hypocrisy of your statement given our social struggles is overwhleming.  you should try not to judge based on outward appearance.  the lowly snap-judgment you made here is just sad.  if you were fat and ugly, i wouldn't just assume you were a loser; i don't get your comments in the same way that i don't get how some whites think that blacks are lowlifes because they're black.  a damm shame that it's one of our own making comments like these.  if you aren't already, you ought to be ashamed of this ugly side of yours; we're a multi-variate culture and we should be able to express ourselves however fit - not just to fit some abstract "corporate/professional" culture.



How many times do I have to say it ISn't just about the hair? I'm never going to say that a man lacks intelligence because he's chosen to get some cornrows
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on February 24, 2005, 09:49:13 AM
Hey etruman, did you get an SEO interview?

RBG, did you?

Yes. And stop answering questions with questions, woman.

when did you send your transcript?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 09:51:06 AM
Hey etruman, did you get an SEO interview?

RBG, did you?

Yes. And stop answering questions with questions, woman.

when did you send your transcript?

I had 3. I did it last week or so probably. I douhbt they have them all. Sign online if you really want to talk about it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on February 24, 2005, 09:52:08 AM
ROFL y'all are cracking me up.  I've missed you--yes, even you RBG; I hope you've been working on that book. ;)


just a comment on something token said--
"If you think that corn rows, braids, etc. -- traditionally African hairstyles -- result in a negative image, then you have some self-hatred issues going on that I can't help you with."  Well you are half right, those are traditional hairstyles FOR WOMEN.  The last time I was getting my hair braided, the braider was talking to a couple other people about how crazy it was in traditional African culture for a man to braid his hair--I do believe the phrase they used was "it is an abomination."  Then I thought about it--how many African men do you see sporting corn rows?  Not many.  Take that as you will.

were they West Africans? Because there are traditional African cultures where men do wear their hair in braids and women wear their hair short. Africa is too big of a continent to categorize like that.

also, do you go to yale now? or want to attend yale law in the future?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 10:03:15 AM
Okay, do entertain my curiousity, blk.  What is it about a man sitting on a couch looking forward that sends negative messages? 

Hmmm. Actually, you can't even tell he's sitting on a couch, so that's out.  What does that leave?  His hair, his face - that's about it.  Which do you find to be a derrogatory commentary on black culture?

And who are you to judge his aspirations?  Slightly elitist approach, isn't it?  Some people are garbage men and truck drivers and are perfectly happy with what they do.  It is not your place to determine what career track is right for someone you have never met. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on February 24, 2005, 10:07:38 AM
I watched hotel rowanda yesterday and I have a great quote form the movie: "you are dirt...you are not even a n-word...you are african!"

I just had to get that out.

"He is a football player/aspiring hip hop artist" LOL No sh*t?
Come on lil-token. I can look at that fool from a mile away and tell that he wants to rap. I can also tell that he will not graduate from college. He is trash...he is dirt. You are in law school. Get a better man for yourself. Get somebody that has goals in life that are in line with what you are doing. Stop dating these BET Rap City Negros and get yourself a real black man. That song called "soldier" is some bull and it looks like you bought stock in it. I can take one look at that guy and make a value judgment about him. He is not the one for you! Check the sh*t in your apartment because I’m sure he jacked a 20.00 out of your purse.    

Let's face it; there is such thing as social class in this world. I would think that everyone on this board is representative of the upper class of black people in this country. The way we speak, the cloths we wear, the schools that we are going to/went to and our goals in life are all representative of the social class that we belong to. Why would you #@!* around with someone from a much lower social class? Oh, we are all apart of the same social class because we are black!? getthefuckouttahere. Lil_token, that dude is going to cheat on you, beat your ass, and make you into his little white whitney houston. He is going to make you a crack whore in about 5 days. Perhaps you will get shot in a drug deal gone bad. Anyway, the bottom line is you need to move on. He was a good bit of Mandingo man meat and now it's time to get a sands or rbg type watered down negro  ;) jk.  

we are not African by the way. #@!* that cesspool. We are American and we have our own style of dress that is considered professional. cornrows aint the lick. That hairstyle is fine with black women, but black professional men need to wake the #@!* up, grow up and be men. lil_token, you think you know negros but I’m telling you the facts. black men change their entire attitude about sh*t when they get cornrows. I went to a school with 3000 black men, and many of them decided to put in cornrows to be more "hard" and to "keep it real". Eventually, they did the right thing by washing that sh*t out in order to get a gigg at JP Morgan. Put it like this. If you get off on dating master p, c-murder, dj quick type mofos I guess you are doing the right thing. However, based on what you are doing with your life, I suggest that you turn off BET and turn on C-Span and look for brothers that are doing the damn thang. I guarantee you that when you find a real black man he is not going to appreciate you calling him  “chocolate”. That sh*t is for suckers. He will however suggest that you call him a man.  


I'm HBCU
My word is Law
Cornrows are for cocksuckers.  
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 24, 2005, 10:12:30 AM
I really see nothing wrong with lil_token's avatar.  Beyond the clothes and the hair or whatever it is that's apparently wrong with his appearance, all I see is the man in the picture.  I'm not questioning your opinions. 

The most prominent Black figures in the media today are rappers and athletes and they are all "casualties" of those images you all frown down on.  This is the image that the media portrays of the men in your culture.  This is also the image that your culture seemingly wants to portray or you wouldn't have all these men walking around as such.

If you say that a man dressing as lil_token's avatar is so wrong, then why are the very men and women of your culture embracing it?  Even when a man has a clean head of hair, they still walk around dressed as 'thugs'.  If it was so wrong, why don't you see THEM cleaning up their image?

I know that the men on tv are completely different from the men we see in corporate or political offices, but you are all one people.  Why don't you all agree?  Different lifestyles, different choices.  I see nothing wrong with either the profession or the attire a person chooses, and I do not think that a person should be judged and dismissed because it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on February 24, 2005, 10:20:43 AM
I really see nothing wrong with lil_token's avatar.  Beyond the clothes and the hair or whatever it is that's apparently wrong with his appearance, all I see is the man in the picture.  I'm not questioning your opinions. 

The most prominent Black figures in the media today are rappers and athletes and they are all "casualties" of those images you all frown down on.  This is the image that the media portrays of the men in your culture.  This is also the image that your culture seemingly wants to portray or you wouldn't have all these men walking around as such.

If you say that a man dressing as lil_token's avatar is so wrong, then why are the very men and women of your culture embracing it?  Even when a man has a clean head of hair, they still walk around dressed as 'thugs'.  If it was so wrong, why don't you see THEM cleaning up their image?

I know that the men on tv are completely different from the men we see in corporate or political offices, but you are all one people.  Why don't you all agree?  Different lifestyles, different choices.  I see nothing wrong with either the profession or the attire a person chooses, and I do not think that a person should be judged and dismissed because it.


We are all one people!? because we are all black!? bull!

We are not monolithic creatures who march to the beat of the same drummer. We all don’t look alike and we all don’t dance, and sing. (I’m just fuggin with cha)

Our entire culture does not embrace that bull seu. There are many different cultures in the black community and the people on this board do not represent that *&^% in lil_token’s  pic. The people that uplift that bull are monkeys.

White trash= mullet
Black trash= cornrows
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 10:24:17 AM
Okay, background on the "mmmmmm mmmmmm good" thing:

We were at a party and some guys decided to get together and have a silly freestyle battle.  One of the rules was that you could only reference something in the room at that time.  I was standing there with a can of the Campbell's soup-to-go and he said something like, "My girls thinks I am like Campbell's soup - mmmmmm mmmmm good." 

It's NOT a chocolate reference.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on February 24, 2005, 10:26:48 AM
Okay, background on the "mmmmmm mmmmmm good" thing:

We were at a party and some guys decided to get together and have a silly freestyle battle.  One of the rules was that you could only reference something in the room at that time.  I was standing there with a can of the Campbell's soup-to-go and he said something like, "My girls thinks I am like Campbell's soup - mmmmmm mmmmm good." 

It's NOT a chocolate reference.

you are so young.  ::)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 24, 2005, 10:29:54 AM
thanks, HBCU.

So does the black community look down on men with cornrows who are dressed as thugs?  EDIT:  The ENTIRE black community or just the educated minority within?

I know that classes exist within a race.  But in my culture, at least, a Mexican is a Mexican, and we feel each other's pain.  If a Mexican is beating his wife and drinking his money or whatever, we don't look down on HIM.  We don't condone his behavior either, and we instead attribute it to ignorance and a lack of opportunity.

You saw blunts talking about deporting Mexicans and closing the borders, but no one on the Latino board ever attacked him the way some of the people on this board have attacked one another regardless of race.

I'm confused.  You all take racism in general to be an offense against the entire AfAm community.  Understandably so.  But then it seems to me that you all judge and condemn one another amongst yourselves. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 10:32:42 AM
If it's an inside joke, why put it on BLSD  ???

Just a thought.

Not so inside that it's secret or that I am ashamed of it.  Honestly, I didn't expect it to get that much attention or scrutiny.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 10:41:13 AM
You know it's funny lil_token, you didn't have a word to say about HBCU's comment about the matter.. In fact, his opinion is a lot more hurtful than mine should ever be.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on February 24, 2005, 10:41:59 AM
I really see nothing wrong with lil_token's avatar.  Beyond the clothes and the hair or whatever it is that's apparently wrong with his appearance, all I see is the man in the picture.  I'm not questioning your opinions. 

The most prominent Black figures in the media today are rappers and athletes and they are all "casualties" of those images you all frown down on.  This is the image that the media portrays of the men in your culture.  This is also the image that your culture seemingly wants to portray or you wouldn't have all these men walking around as such.

If you say that a man dressing as lil_token's avatar is so wrong, then why are the very men and women of your culture embracing it?  Even when a man has a clean head of hair, they still walk around dressed as 'thugs'.  If it was so wrong, why don't you see THEM cleaning up their image?

I know that the men on tv are completely different from the men we see in corporate or political offices, but you are all one people.  Why don't you all agree?  Different lifestyles, different choices.  I see nothing wrong with either the profession or the attire a person chooses, and I do not think that a person should be judged and dismissed because it.

aw seu, before somebody really gets crazy let me just say right now images of black people are NOT CONTROLLED BY BLACK PEOPLE! Bob Johnson and BET is only one example of media, and you definitely don't see him and his daughter riding on 20's and living the thug life. And he sold his company anyway. Malcolm X said that the media is the most powerful entity on Earth. And he said that before cnn, before fox news, and before the days of 24 hr. coverage. He said that b/c he saw how the media images had begun to directly influence people throughout the world. the media companies today are all actually owned by about 3 corporations total. And none of those corps. are run by black people. As a matter of fact, they probably don't have any on the boards of those organizations period. and i think i get the fact that you're being sarcastic by saying "why don't we all agree?" but i don't really understand what you mean by this being the image "our culture" wants to portray or "why don't you see them cleaning up their image?" black people are just as diverse as any other culture, and hip-hop culture is nearly as prevalent in all American cultures black or otherwise. so why didn't you see constant reels of goth white folks after columbine? or "wigger" white boys when white kids get busted for drugs rings and ish like that? 'cause rich white folks control the media and want a certain image of black men to prevail in the american mind.

and i still say that you should wear cornrows if you want to. they definitely don't equal black trash in my mind.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 24, 2005, 10:45:19 AM
aw blk_reign, there's nothing wrong with cornrows, but yeah, sometimes when I see guys with them, I can't help but ask, do you have a job? but I don't understand why you think the avatar shows black people in a bad light? some white folks will look at any picture of a black man and think he looks menacing even if he's in a suit and tie.

It isn't just about the cornrows, faith :). The cornrows do speak volumes in that specific picture however... But the guy just looks extremely remedial in that photo..


I was talking to HBC about it and this is what he said..

He looks like the slummiest, nastiest, most ghettoIST representation of the black community. He's our white trash..



wow.  am shocked that lil token responded so politely to your comments.  i've sported rows on and off before and i'm a well-educated-on-my-way to ls man.  people of color should be the last ones to judge others based on outward appearance - the hypocrisy of your statement given our social struggles is overwhleming.  you should try not to judge based on outward appearance.  the lowly snap-judgment you made here is just sad.  if you were fat and ugly, i wouldn't just assume you were a loser; i don't get your comments in the same way that i don't get how some whites think that blacks are lowlifes because they're black.  a damm shame that it's one of our own making comments like these.  if you aren't already, you ought to be ashamed of this ugly side of yours; we're a multi-variate culture and we should be able to express ourselves however fit - not just to fit some abstract "corporate/professional" culture.



Basically...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 24, 2005, 10:45:56 AM
What the f.....?? I would have asked to take the pic down cuz he's not cute, those earrings he's wearing look tacky, and the shirt he's wearing is wack. Not cuz he's got cornrows in??  ;D :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 10:46:28 AM
thanks, HBCU.


I'm confused.  You all take racism in general to be an offense against the entire AfAm community.  Understandably so.  But then it seems to me that you all judge and condemn one another amongst yourselves. 

Not that I agree with the whole cornrow thing, cause I don't...but to answer what you just said Seu, families stick together to protect the security and well being of the household, but that does not mean that they can not admonish a brother or sister for messing up.  So while an outsider might look through the window and say, man that family is always fighting among themselves, sometimes it's just with an aim to uplift each other.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 10:49:28 AM
What the f.....?? I would have asked to take the pic down cuz he's not cute, those earrings he's wearing look tacky, and the shirt he's wearing is wack. Not cuz he's got cornrows in??  ;D :D

LOL! Dirty...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 10:49:50 AM
What the f.....?? I would have asked to take the pic down cuz he's not cute, those earrings he's wearing look tacky, and the shirt he's wearing is wack. Not cuz he's got cornrows in??  ;D :D

Hahaha..that's messed up Lady :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 10:50:10 AM
I think that you need to understand where I am coming from on this matter. lil-token is a white woman.. she's posting a picture of a black man looking like a simpleton.. That's really all I'm saying. It isn't about his cornrows, it isn't even about his shirt. .It's about the fact that he looks like a dumbass in that particular photo to me. It doesn't take away from the fact that he's black or anything of that nature. It's just a BAD picture.. that's all. We all take bad pictures from time to time, and we seldom if ever post them as avatars, or show them to people as a representative of who we are...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 24, 2005, 10:50:52 AM
i like cornrows and timbs, too.  my SO is one of the clean cut men that everyone's making reference to on this thread, and i'd love to see him wear some timbs just once so i can get it out of my system.  i love his banana republic/diesel/you fill in the blank wearing self either way.

i understand what you're saying about the media and the images they want to project, but are the people on tv's hands really tied?  are the athletes and the music people really forced to wear cornrows or to dress like thugs?  and what about the women?  was beyonce really up to the wall when it came to her wardrobe on baby boy?  i agree that the media is a huge influence, but if this is the case, i don't understand why the AfAm community is letting the media misconstrue their image so.

minorities raised hell about not being on tv, so why can't they do the same when they're being projected, or forced to project themselves in a less-than-flattering light?

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 10:51:37 AM
I think that you need to understand where I am coming from on this matter. lil-token is a white woman.. she's posting a picture of a black man looking like a simpleton.. That's really all I'm saying. It isn't about his cornrows, it isn't even about his shirt. .It's about the fact that he looks like a dumbass in that particular photo to me. It doesn't take away from the fact that he's black or anything of that nature. It's just a BAD picture.. that's all. We all take bad pictures from time to time, and we seldom if ever post them as avatars, or show them to people as a representative of who we are...

LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 10:55:13 AM
Alton,

I'm not ashamed.. I have no reason to be. What I said isn't "an ugly side".. .It's an opinion in which I am entitled to. If I said Oh my God look at those cornrows,they set us back, and  he looks so stupid because of his hairstyle choice, then I would see where you're coming from. But I didn't say that- nor is that what I implied...

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 10:58:38 AM
Alton,

I'm not ashamed.. I have no reason to be. What I said isn't "an ugly side".. .It's an opinion in which I am entitled to. If I said Oh my God look at those cornrows,they set us back, and  he looks so stupid because of his hairstyle choice, then I would see where you're coming from. But I didn't say that- nor is that what I implied...



You also never said what it is about him that makes him look like a "dumbass/simpleton."  If it is nothing related to him being black, then why are we even having this discussion?  Didn't you say that you felt like he was portraying a negative black stereotype or something of that sort?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 24, 2005, 11:02:34 AM
That Ng looks like he just smoked an entire blunt by himself, thus, "simpleton" is probably the correct word to use. Matter of fact, he had to of, he couldn't move to stop the person from taking such a unflattering pic. But I guess that's the problem with they way pics look on the internet  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 24, 2005, 11:02:56 AM
i like cornrows and timbs, too.  my SO is one of the clean cut men that everyone's making reference to on this thread, and i'd love to see him wear some timbs just once so i can get it out of my system.  i love his banana republic/diesel/you fill in the blank wearing self either way.

i understand what you're saying about the media and the images they want to project, but are the people on tv's hands really tied?  are the athletes and the music people really forced to wear cornrows or to dress like thugs?  and what about the women?  was beyonce really up to the wall when it came to her wardrobe on baby boy?  i agree that the media is a huge influence, but if this is the case, i don't understand why the AfAm community is letting the media misconstrue their image so.

minorities raised hell about not being on tv, so why can't they do the same when they're being projected, or forced to project themselves in a less-than-flattering light?



Accountability.  We touched on this earlier in the thread.  I think that the media is part of the problem, but by participating, blacks help to perpetuate negative stereotypes.  I'm not saying they would cease to exist, but what would happen if they didn't have actors for these commercials, videos, movies, etc.?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 11:08:53 AM
All I have to say is that I have dated a variety of men.  I have dated the financial analyst at Morgan Keegan, the engineer at Rolls Royce, the art-loving/making track star, and the aspiring hip hop artist.  They have worn anything from fades, to braids, to twists, to dreds and I must say that I didn't pick any one of them based on their hairstyle.  I tend to focus on less physical features when selecting my mates.  That's just me, though.

I guess we can all agree to disagree on this one.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 24, 2005, 11:10:32 AM
i like cornrows and timbs, too.  my SO is one of the clean cut men that everyone's making reference to on this thread, and i'd love to see him wear some timbs just once so i can get it out of my system.  i love his banana republic/diesel/you fill in the blank wearing self either way.

i understand what you're saying about the media and the images they want to project, but are the people on tv's hands really tied?  are the athletes and the music people really forced to wear cornrows or to dress like thugs?  and what about the women?  was beyonce really up to the wall when it came to her wardrobe on baby boy?  i agree that the media is a huge influence, but if this is the case, i don't understand why the AfAm community is letting the media misconstrue their image so.

minorities raised hell about not being on tv, so why can't they do the same when they're being projected, or forced to project themselves in a less-than-flattering light?



Accountability.  We touched on this earlier in the thread.  I think that the media is part of the problem, but by participating, blacks help to perpetuate negative stereotypes.  I'm not saying they would cease to exist, but what would happen if they didn't have actors for these commercials, videos, movies, etc.?

i concur. also, i think that it is a step in the right direction for so many rap moguls to have recently changed their style to something more classy (ie. jay-z, nelly(who still looks like a street hood to me), p. diddy, etc). i'm so tired of the stupid-ass black guy uniform of a jersey and some big jeans.

i was paging through an issue of King magazine, and i was really impressed with the styles these guys were sporting. maybe it's just a class issue, but i'd be way more interested in talking to a guy who's wearing well-maintained locs and a button down shirt with some khakis or chinos than some street hood with cornrows and a gigantic white t-shirt. i'm not even talking about dating-- i mean literally talking, like having a pleasant conversation about the weather before i get off the train. these other thug-looking guys just make me want to hold my purse a little tighter, like i'm some old white woman in an elevator.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 11:12:36 AM
ERRRRRRRRRRRRr you mofos know I want to say something, but Regal is on time out and being nice this week.


No one ever better call me an a-hole again. You guys are the mean ones! I'm saving these quotes for reference when someone starts to whine about "Regal is a racist" "regal thinks she looks better than everyone else" "regal this regal that..." "Regal belittles people" "regal hates poor mexicans"

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm in class right now bitting my lip b/c I'm on the verge of laughing. Carry on folks carry on.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 24, 2005, 11:16:44 AM
thanks, HBCU.
But in my culture, at least, a Mexican is a Mexican, and we feel each other's pain.  If a Mexican is beating his wife and drinking his money or whatever, we don't look down on HIM.  We don't condone his behavior either, and we instead attribute it to ignorance and a lack of opportunity.

I gotta go to class, but had to respond to this one.  WTF?!

No.  This is what's wrong with minority communities and many liberals right now. If a man beats his wife, he should know better.  The problem on the right is that they don't acknowledge ignorance and a lack of opportunity, but on the left we acknowledge it so strongly that we apologize for everything bad that people do.  HE IS WRONG AND SHOULD BE TOLD AS MUCH.  Anything less means we're doing a disservice to the people we claim to help.  We need to toss out this apologist model and embrace an empowerment method.  Attack the poverty and lack of opportunity, but also attack the lack of responsibility that results from it.  Until we do, we can forget about moving our people ahead!  >:(

Mobell, please do not misconstrue my words.  I did not say anything about accepting the man's actions.  He is wrong, and it's terrible, but we don't just write off anybody who doesn't conform. We let him know that he's wrong, but we don't cast him off as a nobody with no potential of ever becoming a good person.  We don't apologize or justify his actions either. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 11:18:43 AM
No we just thrown them in jail and let them rot.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on February 24, 2005, 11:19:09 AM
seu, good questions. i'd like to figure them out myself. media is one of my passions/interests. i think that media control is a big part of it. have you ever looked at those articles about how when there is a black suspect in a murder they always show his picture, but when its a white person, they usually don't? and its b/c if they say a male, 164 lbs. wearing a red hat and don't mention race, most people assume he's white. thats the nature of white privilege, to be invisible. so, black people are just as susceptible to those images as well, and begin to believe them.
and movie star and sports team members are just as likely to be promoted in the same way. why do you know so much about beyonce and didn't really know about floetry? its not because either one plays music black people don't listen to, but b/c one is considered "marketable" by white folks and the other is not. and marketers/industry execs and other have their own opinions of what black people like/enjoy that might not necessarily be the same as what I or other black people actually like and enjoy. obviously people like beyonce, but i think that many of the people who liked her would have liked floetry as well, if the same money, time and effort was put behind promoting them. i think that all people of color are subject to this and thats why there need to be more involved in crafting the images that are put out there by being in the media industry.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 24, 2005, 11:27:16 AM
seu, good questions. i'd like to figure them out myself. media is one of my passions/interests. i think that media control is a big part of it. have you ever looked at those articles about how when there is a black suspect in a murder they always show his picture, but when its a white person, they usually don't? and its b/c if they say a male, 164 lbs. wearing a red hat and don't mention race, most people assume he's white. thats the nature of white privilege, to be invisible. so, black people are just as susceptible to those images as well, and begin to believe them.
and movie star and sports team members are just as likely to be promoted in the same way. why do you know so much about beyonce and didn't really know about floetry? its not because either one plays music black people don't listen to, but b/c one is considered "marketable" by white folks and the other is not. and marketers/industry execs and other have their own opinions of what black people like/enjoy that might not necessarily be the same as what I or other black people actually like and enjoy. obviously people like beyonce, but i think that many of the people who liked her would have liked floetry as well, if the same money, time and effort was put behind promoting them. i think that all people of color are subject to this and thats why there need to be more involved in crafting the images that are put out there by being in the media industry.


thanks for your insight, faith and jlf.  the contrast you gave between beyonce and floetry is a great example, and it explains a lot. 

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 11:34:42 AM
Alton,

I'm not ashamed.. I have no reason to be. What I said isn't "an ugly side".. .It's an opinion in which I am entitled to. If I said Oh my God look at those cornrows,they set us back, and  he looks so stupid because of his hairstyle choice, then I would see where you're coming from. But I didn't say that- nor is that what I implied...



You also never said what it is about him that makes him look like a "dumbass/simpleton."  If it is nothing related to him being black, then why are we even having this discussion?  Didn't you say that you felt like he was portraying a negative black stereotype or something of that sort?

Look at his facial expression..he looks like a modern day step-n-fetch it in that picture

(http://indepheights.rice.edu/projectpix/perry.gif)

(http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php?action=dlattach;id=4849;type=avatar)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 24, 2005, 11:35:54 AM
that's harsh, blk_reign.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 11:36:12 AM
Alton,

I'm not ashamed.. I have no reason to be. What I said isn't "an ugly side".. .It's an opinion in which I am entitled to. If I said Oh my God look at those cornrows,they set us back, and  he looks so stupid because of his hairstyle choice, then I would see where you're coming from. But I didn't say that- nor is that what I implied...



You also never said what it is about him that makes him look like a "dumbass/simpleton."  If it is nothing related to him being black, then why are we even having this discussion?  Didn't you say that you felt like he was portraying a negative black stereotype or something of that sort?

Look at his facial expression..he looks like a modern day step-n-fetch it in that picture

(http://indepheights.rice.edu/projectpix/perry.gif)

(http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php?action=dlattach;id=4849;type=avatar)


 :o
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 11:37:42 AM
Alton,

I'm not ashamed.. I have no reason to be. What I said isn't "an ugly side".. .It's an opinion in which I am entitled to. If I said Oh my God look at those cornrows,they set us back, and  he looks so stupid because of his hairstyle choice, then I would see where you're coming from. But I didn't say that- nor is that what I implied...



You also never said what it is about him that makes him look like a "dumbass/simpleton."  If it is nothing related to him being black, then why are we even having this discussion?  Didn't you say that you felt like he was portraying a negative black stereotype or something of that sort?

Look at his facial expression..he looks like a modern day step-n-fetch it in that picture

(http://indepheights.rice.edu/projectpix/perry.gif)

(http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php?action=dlattach;id=4849;type=avatar)


OMG!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 24, 2005, 11:38:33 AM
Alton,

I'm not ashamed.. I have no reason to be. What I said isn't "an ugly side".. .It's an opinion in which I am entitled to. If I said Oh my God look at those cornrows,they set us back, and  he looks so stupid because of his hairstyle choice, then I would see where you're coming from. But I didn't say that- nor is that what I implied...



You also never said what it is about him that makes him look like a "dumbass/simpleton."  If it is nothing related to him being black, then why are we even having this discussion?  Didn't you say that you felt like he was portraying a negative black stereotype or something of that sort?

Look at his facial expression..he looks like a modern day step-n-fetch it in that picture

(http://indepheights.rice.edu/projectpix/perry.gif)

(http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php?action=dlattach;id=4849;type=avatar)


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-X :-X :-X :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 11:38:44 AM
This girl has went to exhibit A and B! Damn! She feels strongly about this sh!t.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 11:39:49 AM
that's harsh, blk_reign.

I'm not trying to be "harsh"... I'm just proving my point since my words don't seem to be enough. Sometimes a visual aid helps get the point across
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 24, 2005, 11:40:39 AM
that's harsh, blk_reign.

I'm not trying to be "harsh"... I'm just proving my point since my words don't seem to be enough. Sometimes a visual aid helps get the point across

it sure did................
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 11:41:22 AM
This girl has went to exhibit A and B! Damn! She feels strongly about this sh!t.

No doubt RBG.  This is officially the craziest thing I've seen on this board...I don't know if to be like :D or  ??? or  :o
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 24, 2005, 11:42:09 AM
I would think that for people who are so against judging others on the basis of their skin color, some of you would be the last to judge others solely on their appearance.  You have your opinions, and I respect them, but I'm shocked at some of the comments some of you are posting re: AfAm men with cornrows.

I take no offense to your comments.  No one I know wears corn rows.  But I see nothing wrong with a man who chooses to wear his hair a certain way or wear certain clothes.  It is not a reflection of his character.  I would a hundred times prefer a thug with a big heart than a corporate tie-wearing bastard who's going to cheat on me and turn his back on the women of my culture in an attempt to 'upgrade.'
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 24, 2005, 11:52:13 AM
I take no offense to your comments. No one I know wears corn rows. But I see nothing wrong with a man who chooses to wear his hair a certain way or wear certain clothes. It is not a reflection of his character. I would a hundred times prefer a thug with a big heart than a corporate tie-wearing bastard who's going to cheat on me and turn his back on the women of my culture in an attempt to 'upgrade.'

This is completely false. Instead of making this an issue about 'cornrows' imagine this being about a mullet. you can't tell me that a guy with a mullet is not either some yokel or some hip guy being incredibly ironic. neither one of those things is acceptable in a corporate environment. it sends a clear message about the person's personality-- a clear negative message.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: A.J on February 24, 2005, 11:55:48 AM


This is completely false. Instead of making this an issue about 'cornrows' imagine this being about a mullet. you can't tell me that a guy with a mullet is not either some yokel or some hip guy being incredibly ironic. neither one of those things is acceptable in a corporate environment. it sends a clear message about the person's personality-- a clear negative message.

Hey, the mullet is the greatest haircut of all time.  Business in the front, party in the back baby!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 11:56:26 AM
ERRRRRRRRRRRRr you mofos know I want to say something, but Regal is on time out and being nice this week.


No one ever better call me an a-hole again. You guys are the mean ones! I'm saving these quotes for reference when someone starts to whine about "Regal is a racist" "regal thinks she looks better than everyone else" "regal this regal that..." "Regal belittles people" "regal hates poor mexicans"

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm in class right now bitting my lip b/c I'm on the verge of laughing. Carry on folks carry on.


this sh*t is getting crazy. 

i genuinely want to hear regal's take on it.

This is when you know all hell has broken loose...haha;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 11:57:14 AM


This is completely false. Instead of making this an issue about 'cornrows' imagine this being about a mullet. you can't tell me that a guy with a mullet is not either some yokel or some hip guy being incredibly ironic. neither one of those things is acceptable in a corporate environment. it sends a clear message about the person's personality-- a clear negative message.

Hey, the mullet is the greatest haircut of all time.  Business in the front, party in the back baby!

LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 24, 2005, 11:57:19 AM
shut up, A.J. :P
recently, the guys here had a mullet party, where for some inexplicable reason, guys with hair long enough to do so got their hair cut into mullets and wore them like that for the rest of the week.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 12:04:10 PM
Seu - check your pm please
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on February 24, 2005, 12:11:35 PM
Obviously those guys were separated at birth. That pic says much more than words ever can, and it makes a perfect example of the type of guy lil_token is dating. Blk_reign is right on point.

It’s not like we are saying that we need to kill everyone who wears cornrows. All I am saying is this: If you are a business professional you should act like one. You can’t have it both ways. If you are a business professional you should date another professional. No need to find dates in the toilet. What’s wrong with being upper class? There is nothing to be ashamed of.

That dude in lil_token’s pic is goona shine my shoes one day. 

I am HBCU and my word is law.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on February 24, 2005, 12:14:57 PM
but seu, don't you think we all judge people based on appearance? i mean sometimes when i see preppy guys i think "thats an assimilationist ne***." thats wrong, and i understand that, but i think you have an idealized view of black people that is sort of throwing me off. there are lots of black people who say stuff like whats been said on this thread, and guaranteed nearly every single one of them knows some guy who has cornrows. its apart of black history to have some who feel that "lower-class" black people are holding the race back, you can find out more about it (if you haven't heard of it already) by learning about "the talented tenth" and ideas like that. i am not saying that the people who criticized the picture feel this way. just an idea.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 12:15:52 PM
I'm mean, but like in a sarcastic way. You guys are mean in a "your ass won't amount to sh1t so go fetch me my dinner" sort of way. Either way... you guys are entertaining.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on February 24, 2005, 12:17:52 PM
I'm mean, but like in a sarcastic way. You guys are mean in a "your ass won't amount to sh1t so go fetch me my dinner" sort of way. Either way... you guys are entertaining.

Get yo shine box boy!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 12:22:08 PM
Alton if I gave my honest opinion about the whole issue, I'll probably get banned from LSD.  ::)

I've noticed that LSD is full of hypocrites. Someone could say the same exact thing as me, but the difference is my opinions get noticed and scrutinized more than others.

blq, pictures do speak a thousand words....So why was my original avatar so offensive?   ???
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 24, 2005, 12:23:09 PM
I'm mean, but like in a sarcastic way. You guys are mean in a "your ass won't amount to sh1t so go fetch me my dinner" sort of way. Either way... you guys are entertaining.


hahaha...I don't think I'm bougie enough for this crowd :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: official2008 on February 24, 2005, 12:26:31 PM
what about the black people in Africa who wear cornrow? and dreds? WTF?

kill that *&^% forreal. please stop trying to fit into this box that white people built.

that's your people. *&^%, love 'em.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 12:27:43 PM


blq, pictures do speak a thousand words....So why was my original avatar so offensive?   ???


I think that the Latinas that post on this thread were offended by your pic of the workers, the same way that we'd be offended if a white guy was to post the pic of Stepnfetchit that I posted with a caption saying "look he's famous" Now that's just my assumption and I can't speak for them
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 12:33:08 PM
what about the black people in Africa who wear cornrow? and dreds? WTF?

kill that sh*t forreal. please stop trying to fit into this box that white people built.

that's your people. sh*t, love 'em.

sup official? long time no see...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: official2008 on February 24, 2005, 12:37:00 PM
ain't nothing. CONGRATS on Harvard and Stanford! Very impressive. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 12:37:07 PM
Wait, did Lil Token disappear?  
Okay, another topic: Do you guys have any stance on the psychopathic amalgamation of the hypothesis proposed by the black diaspora a propos de DEEZ NUTZ?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 12:37:34 PM
Interracial love is a beautiful thing people...


(http://img211.exs.cx/img211/2820/interraciallogo7es.jpg)

(http://img201.exs.cx/img201/8158/blkwhite4bj.jpg)

Becky and Semaj look so happy  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 24, 2005, 12:38:19 PM
ain't nothing. CONGRATS on Harvard and Stanford! Very impressive. 

thanks. you too
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 12:39:25 PM


hahaha...I don't think I'm bougie enough for this crowd :-\

What do you think makes a person bougie?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 12:43:37 PM
Interracial love is a beautiful thing people...


Becky and Semaj look so happy  ;D

Semaj- Simply Enthused to Marry A Jew

Okay, okay, I'm bored...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 24, 2005, 12:44:09 PM
why do lil_token's avatar and stepnfetchit look alike?  they are NOT dressed alike one bit.  is it because of the physical appearance?  the facial features?  i don't see both of them wearing the earrings or the clothes or even the hair.

please explain.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 12:49:12 PM
Blk - That picture and your continued innuedoes that the young man in my avatar belongs in some sort of minstrel show are uncalled-for and conclusory.  The fact is, you cannot ascertain one's intelligence just by looking at him -- you're smart enough to know that.  I have a friend who, on his free time, likes to wear University of Tennessee football sweats, his hair is in corn rows most of the time, and he is 6'4, 260 lbs.  Stereotypical football player at the University of Tennessee.  He drives a Caddy and listens to 36 Mafia and Lil Jon. However, despite his appearance and the fact that he did play football at a school not known for academic excellence, he had a 99th percentile ACT and SAT score and carried a 3.8 GPA in an education and biochem double major.  He now has a Master's and teaches at a high school in Atlanta.  Needless to say, his look is misleading.  Not everyone who wears corn rows is lazy, uninspired, or stupid.  

HBCU - I don't get in the habit of seeing people as being "below" me, therefore I do not require that my mate have the same professional aspirations as I do.  Not everyone can be happy being a lawyer and not everyone thrives in corporate America.  We cannot assume that those who choose other professional avenues do so for lack of ability -- they may simply have a preference for something else.  I would marry a school teacher or an artist just as fast as I would a doctor or a lawyer, as long as the man loved me and treated me well.   I don't believe in being ashamed of my partners, regardless of their financial and professional status or their race.  Selection of mates is a very personal matter and each person ought to make determinations as to what works for him or her.  
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 24, 2005, 01:04:13 PM
Blk - That picture and your continued innuedoes that the young man in my avatar belongs in some sort of minstrel show are uncalled-for and conclusory.  The fact is, you cannot ascertain one's intelligence just by looking at him -- you're smart enough to know that.  I have a friend who, on his free time, likes to wear University of Tennessee football sweats, his hair is in corn rows most of the time, and he is 6'4, 260 lbs.  Stereotypical football player at the University of Tennessee.  He drives a Caddy and listens to 36 Mafia and Lil Jon. However, despite his appearance and the fact that he did play football at a school not known for academic excellence, he had a 99th percentile ACT and SAT score and carried a 3.8 GPA in an education and biochem double major.  He now has a Master's and teaches at a high school in Atlanta.  Needless to say, his look is misleading.  Not everyone who wears corn rows is lazy, uninspired, or stupid.  



Lazy, uninspired, stupid? Where did I say any of that?Is that your opinion of some people that wear corn rows?
 

There are no innuendos.. I didn't say the brotha needs to be in a minstrel show or allude to it. He does look like brotha stepit in that picture however.. That opinion stands.. He has the same facial expression in his side profile...


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 01:11:38 PM
I am not sure what facial expression you are talking about.  He's looking forward, that's it!  There's no smile, smirk, frown, cocked eyebrow, nothing!  But whatever, apparently you see something I don't.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: A.J on February 24, 2005, 01:11:54 PM
Corn rows done right are hot.  (on girls)

HTH
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 01:13:03 PM
I grow weary.......
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 01:14:15 PM
Corn rows done right are hot.  (on girls)

HTH

You're ugly.  HTH.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: A.J on February 24, 2005, 01:15:08 PM
Corn rows done right are hot.  (on girls)

HTH

You're ugly.  HTH.

You're fruity?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 24, 2005, 01:16:29 PM


Look at his facial expression..he looks like a modern day step-n-fetch it in that picture

(http://indepheights.rice.edu/projectpix/perry.gif)

(http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php?action=dlattach;id=4849;type=avatar)



why do lil_token's avatar and stepnfetchit look alike?  they are NOT dressed alike one bit.  is it because of the physical appearance?  the facial features?  i don't see both of them wearing the earrings or the clothes or even the hair.

please explain.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 01:21:21 PM
STOP POSTING THAT PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'M DYING

http://assmatrix.com/types.htm
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on February 24, 2005, 01:21:49 PM


hahaha...I don't think I'm bougie enough for this crowd :-\

What do you think makes a person bougie?

Maybe that's the wrong word (yes, I know it's not a real word)  It just seems that a few people are coming off high-and-mighty.  I don't think anyone on this board has their stuff so well put together that they have room to judge.  We all fall victim to it (myself included), but that doesn't make it right.  

I'm sorry but comparing that dude to step and fetch it man is crazy to me.  You've stated that it isn't just his hairstyle, it's his facial expression too.  All I see is the profile of a black dude with braids. The caption...eh I can do without it, but the picture? Be serious.

Let's agree to disagree.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 01:30:34 PM
THE FAT DeBATE ENDS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!

http://assmatrix.com/thick.htm
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 01:45:54 PM
Gully sh*t of the day:
CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- An appeals court said a man can press a claim for emotional distress after learning a former lover had used his sperm to have a baby. But he can't claim theft, the ruling said, because the sperm were hers to keep.

The ruling Wednesday by the Illinois Appellate Court sends Dr. Richard O. Phillips' distress case back to trial court.

Phillips accuses Dr. Sharon Irons of a "calculated, profound personal betrayal" after their affair six years ago, saying she secretly kept semen after they had oral sex, then used it to get pregnant.
He said he didn't find out about the child for nearly two years, when Irons filed a paternity lawsuit. DNA tests confirmed Phillips was the father, the court papers state.

Phillips was ordered to pay about $800 a month in child support, said Irons' attorney, Enrico Mirabelli.

Phillips sued Irons, claiming he has had trouble sleeping and eating and has been haunted by "feelings of being trapped in a nightmare," court papers state.

Irons responded that her alleged actions weren't "truly extreme and outrageous" and that Phillips' pain wasn't bad enough to merit a lawsuit. The circuit court agreed and dismissed Phillips' lawsuit in 2003.

But the higher court ruled that, if Phillips' story is true, Irons "deceitfully engaged in sexual acts, which no reasonable person would expect could result in pregnancy, to use plaintiff's sperm in an unorthodox, unanticipated manner yielding extreme consequences."
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: CaliToD.C. on February 24, 2005, 01:53:47 PM
Im hella heated now!  >:( Yall are some uppity ass negroes! 98% of yall be having some ugly ass avatars but yall dont be jumpin down each others throats on the *&^%. If yall don't like the fact that she mess with a Black dude then just say that *&^%. Leave ole boy alone cause like it or not he represents the majotrity of the African-American community not like yall uppity ass bourgeois muthafuckas.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 01:56:49 PM
CNN(AP)
“Homicide is a leading cause of pregnancy-associated injury deaths,” Jeani Chang and colleagues wrote in the latest issue of the American Journal of Public Health.

They investigated the deaths of women who died while pregnant or within a year of being pregnant between 1991 and 1999 and found 1,993 that were caused by injury, compared with 4,200 that were directly related to pregnancy complications.

Car accidents first
Of the injury-related deaths, 617 or 31 percent were ruled homicide, making murder the second most common cause of injury-related death for pregnant women after car accidents.

The homicide rate for pregnant black women was more than triple that for white women, the researchers said.


Most of the murdered women, 56 percent, were shot to death while the rest were either stabbed or strangled.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 02:01:51 PM
Pharaoh, Who has ugly ass avatars? Call them out LOL.

Anyway don't let me put your a$$ in blasts b/c when that whole issue of lil_token dating black men came up, I was the one defending her. You on the other hand sympathized with why some of the women had issues with her dating black dudes. Hmmmm tricky tricky....
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: CaliToD.C. on February 24, 2005, 02:08:08 PM
I think the underlining issue is that people don't like her putting up pictures of Black men but they don't want to say that. I hate when Black people embrace stereotypes about each other. I think that *&^% brings us down and makes us look stupid as a people. *&^% cornrows is the biggest American fad right now. White boys and Asians be sportin that *&^% like it aint no tomorrow. Yes I definately have my own opinions about Black men dating white women but Im more disturbed when Black people *&^% on their own folks because they don't represent white standards. That *&^% is worse than them crackas.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 02:10:43 PM
Interesting. I had no such comment about cornrolls..just gold teeth, which I plan on sporting the first week of law school.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: CaliToD.C. on February 24, 2005, 02:14:26 PM
I also have a problem with people criticizing a Black man because he aspires to be an athlete or rapper. Have yall looked around lately at the opportunities afforded to Black men. Not every Black man has the option to be the token AA negroe at a law firm. I wish someone could broaden their horizons to more than sports and entertainment but that *&^% is an honest living and I applaud people for wanting to do ANYTHING positive and constuctive with their life even if its not a professional whatever the @#!*.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 02:19:19 PM
Rappers...snappers...who cares LOL.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on February 24, 2005, 02:49:25 PM
Gully sh*t of the day:
CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- An appeals court said a man can press a claim for emotional distress after learning a former lover had used his sperm to have a baby. But he can't claim theft, the ruling said, because the sperm were hers to keep.

The ruling Wednesday by the Illinois Appellate Court sends Dr. Richard O. Phillips' distress case back to trial court.

Phillips accuses Dr. Sharon Irons of a "calculated, profound personal betrayal" after their affair six years ago, saying she secretly kept semen after they had oral sex, then used it to get pregnant.
He said he didn't find out about the child for nearly two years, when Irons filed a paternity lawsuit. DNA tests confirmed Phillips was the father, the court papers state.

Phillips was ordered to pay about $800 a month in child support, said Irons' attorney, Enrico Mirabelli.

Phillips sued Irons, claiming he has had trouble sleeping and eating and has been haunted by "feelings of being trapped in a nightmare," court papers state.

Irons responded that her alleged actions weren't "truly extreme and outrageous" and that Phillips' pain wasn't bad enough to merit a lawsuit. The circuit court agreed and dismissed Phillips' lawsuit in 2003.

But the higher court ruled that, if Phillips' story is true, Irons "deceitfully engaged in sexual acts, which no reasonable person would expect could result in pregnancy, to use plaintiff's sperm in an unorthodox, unanticipated manner yielding extreme consequences."


Whoa!!  I've got all sorts of logistical questions but I'll keep them to myself  ;)  At least the man's got some legal recourse...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 24, 2005, 02:51:10 PM
I also have a problem with people criticizing a Black man because he aspires to be an athlete or rapper. Have yall looked around lately at the opportunities afforded to Black men. Not every Black man has the option to be the token AA negroe at a law firm. I wish someone could broaden their horizons to more than sports and entertainment but that *&^% is an honest living and I applaud people for wanting to do ANYTHING positive and constuctive with their life even if its not a professional whatever the @#!*.

Are you kidding me? i feel that here's a very real difference in someone aspiring to be a rapper or an athlete when they are in their twenties than when they are kids-- lets face it, most of the black chicks I see on tv are singers. just because that's what i'm primarily exposed to does not mean that i'm gonna sit around idly trying to make some kind of 1 in a million type thing come true. this goes double when i face the fact that i cant sing at all. i make this analogy because there are all these random cats on the street trying to pass out their little cds and half of them sound like crap.
 there comes a point in your life when you have to face reality. when you compare the number of spots available to pro athletes/big time entertainers to the amount of people who want to have those jobs, you see that the likelihood of you making it is infinitesimal. and as far as sports go, those people with the skill to do that have been coached and guided since they were in high school. pretty much if you want to be an athlete and you are in your twenties and it hasn't happened yet, it isn't going to happen. i'm not saying that a necessary part of adulthood is killing your dreams, but it sure as hell is necessary to take a reasonable approach-- you want to be some entertainer or something? don't put all your eggs in one basket. get yourself a nice boring job as a bank teller and work on your dreams on the weekends. i don't see how that requires being bougie or token or anything. it just requires some adult thinking.
this kind of *&^% pisses me off more than anything because i have a cousin who dropped out of the university of tennessee at the end of his junior year to go pursue a rap career. what kind of craziness is that? it's like taking all of the money out of your 401k and investing in scratch-off lottery tickets. damn, now i'm all angry and *&^% again.  >:(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 24, 2005, 02:58:51 PM
jlf, never did i say that he did not have a day job.  He does work and has a steady income from a job unrelated to rap or athletics.  You should not be so presumptuous.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 24, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
my dearest lil_token,
i bear you no ill will. i assume that your beau does have a day job. i actually assumed he was a raggedy-looking college student. so let's calm down. i think i told you that i was going to stop talking to you, so why would i make some lame attack on your boyfriend to provoke a response.
i was replying exclusively to pharoah rich's comment, which is kind of tangential to the whole thing you started. i do appreciate you precipitating this conversation.
i continue to wish you well.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 03:04:56 PM
lil_token, understand that people are going to judge you and have opinions about your choice in mates. We discussed this yesterday. No matter what you say, not everyone is going to support your interracial relationship. The bottom line is that if you like the guy then so be it. It doens't matter what myself, blq, kunta kinte, Semaje, or Bill down the street think. Do you. If this guy or whoever you are dating is the one, then f-ck what everyone else has to say.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 24, 2005, 03:39:55 PM
Hey ladies their is a very interesting new poll on the board I think you ladies should try it out.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 24, 2005, 04:12:29 PM
I think Rapping/Entertainment is a legit hustle.  I hope to represent some Rappers, Athletes and Entertainers in a couple of years. You know their checks are good. I know a kid who wanted to be an astronaut and ended up being a plumber (a damn good plumber). Their is nothing wrong with aspiring to be a famous athlete, hell I wanted to be a pro-baseball player when I grew up, but they started throwing too hard in High School, luckily I was good at the books.

 Also, sounding good or making any damn sense has NOTHING to do with being successfull at rapping or singing.  Have you heard of Lil John, P-diddy, Ashley Simpson, Britney Spears, Master P (uuunghhh), I could go on for days.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 04:44:20 PM
Casting Will Smith’s love interest in “Hitch” was not a simple black or white decision.

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Eva Mendes was given the role opposite Smith because the moviemakers were worried about the public’s reaction if the part was given to a white or an African American actress, according to Smith. The actor is saying that it was feared that a black couple would have put off worldwide audiences whereas a white/African American combo would have offended viewers in the U.S.

“There’s sort of an accepted myth that if you have two black actors, a male and a female, in the lead of a romantic comedy, that people around the world don’t want to see it,” Smith told the British paper, the Birmingham Post while promoting the flick overseas. “We spend $50-something million making this movie and the studio would think that was tough on their investment. So the idea of a black actor and a white actress comes up — that’ll work around the world, but it’s a problem in the U.S.”

Eva Mendes — who is of Cuban descent — was seen as a solution because apparently, the black/Latina combination is not considered taboo.

Sony didn’t return calls for comment.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 24, 2005, 05:13:58 PM
This is not a myth, a study and a documentary I saw on PBS stated the same facts.  This came from the producer of many films such as the Sixth Sense and some more movies I can't remember.  America will not pay to see BM/BF or interacial as much as they will WM/WF. Just the facts, and Hitch does look unbelieveably unfunny. I do understand why it is doing so well, people are stupid and will spend money on anything, i.e. Ashley Simpson is Platinum, Spice Girls went Uber Platninum, Master P went super Plat. (uuuunnghhh) Lil John is a rich a$$ buffoon. Hell even Shaq went Platinum.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 05:17:21 PM
Did Shaq go platinum fuh real? Geddaf*ckouttahere!  Daymn, and Jadakiss can't even get that plaque?  Man the world is off its axis.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 24, 2005, 05:26:19 PM
Did Shaq go platinum fuh real? Geddaf*ckouttahere!  Daymn, and Jadakiss can't even get that plaque?  Man the world is off its axis.

Unfortunately yes he did go Plat.  I agree Jada is Fiya, its all about your machine behind you. However Jada is signed to interscope the same group behind 50, so I don't understand either. (uuuunnghh, I think I like typing it more than saying it, Uuuuuunnghh)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 24, 2005, 05:30:48 PM
For the record, I have no problem with the pic or the caption or any of that. I really didn't pay any attention to it until it was brought up. Honestly the first thing that ran through my mind when I really stopped to look at it was this little ditty:

I gets high, high, high,
I gets high, high, high,
<everyday>
I gets high, high, high, high, hiiiiiiiigh!

We as black people really do need to stop judging each other. Especially over something so simple as hair. Look at the way dreads and locs used to be judged. Men who wore them were automatically assumed to be Jamaican or on some rasta "I smoke weed all day" *&^%, and for women it was just ugly. Now you see black people sportin them in corporate america and it is being more accepted. It didn't happen over night, it took time. None of us on this board are better than any other black people out there. We are truly blessed to be in the position we are today. Any of us could have easily been born into the type of environments that would have turned the women into crack hos and the men into crack heads.

Why do we have to be divided over some of the most silly things, hair, eye color, skin color. Come on! While we're bickering with each other over these dumb ass things, black people will continue to lag behind. I've met men who have the whole clean cut thing going on but are the biggest losers, and then I know a bruh who wears corn rows and makes more money than everyone on this female dog in corporate america, they don't judge him at his job cause he knows his *&^% and works hard. But obviously walking past him on the street some people on this board would believe he's a thug or some loser. Not the case.

Furthermore, we all know the amount of obstacles we are going to face working in corporate america just based upon the color of our skin. Then add our hair to the mix. The argument I see people putting forward is that black men should know that corn rows isn't accepted into corporate america. Well, "natural" styles aren't 100% accepted either. Should people who wear their hair in natural styles cut our their locs, shave off their afros, should the women perm their hair? Why should people compromise who they are to be accepted by white people? We need to stop doing things that's dictated by white people and to please white people.

I don't think token's picture is doing anything to perpetuate a stereotype. A lot of black men wear corn rows. If anything, her "name" does more of that than anything. Why anyone would want to refer to themself as a "token" anything is beyond me  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 05:36:04 PM
Ladyday, shouldn't you be off somewhere wringing the jheri curl juice out of your shirt collar?
I kid, I kid!;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 24, 2005, 05:39:54 PM
So you're telling me that all black people with dreads don't smoke weed.  All the ones that I know do.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 24, 2005, 05:40:49 PM
Ladyday, shouldn't you be off somewhere wringing the jheri curl juice out of your shirt collar?
I kid, I kid!;)

 >:(

You can make all the jokes u wanna about me having Ming Ling's hair on my head. But jheri curl jokes, that's just wrong....... :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
Ladyday, shouldn't you be off somewhere wringing the jheri curl juice out of your shirt collar?
I kid, I kid!;)

 >:(

You can make all the jokes u wanna about me having Ming Ling's hair on my head. But jheri curl jokes, that's just wrong....... :'( :'(

Oh wait, good question then..do you wear extensions?  I like braids but extensions throw me off, especially if it's blatant..haha
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 24, 2005, 05:48:57 PM
Ladyday, shouldn't you be off somewhere wringing the jheri curl juice out of your shirt collar?
I kid, I kid!;)

 >:(

You can make all the jokes u wanna about me having Ming Ling's hair on my head. But jheri curl jokes, that's just wrong....... :'( :'(

Oh wait, good question then..do you wear extensions?  I like braids but extensions throw me off, especially if it's blatant..haha

Both. But let me clear up some misconceptions, I DO NOT put $2 weave in my hair, when I keep it up, it is not blatant, usually most guys don't know it's weave until we get to the bedroom.............
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 05:51:46 PM
Ladyday, shouldn't you be off somewhere wringing the jheri curl juice out of your shirt collar?
I kid, I kid!;)

 >:(

You can make all the jokes u wanna about me having Ming Ling's hair on my head. But jheri curl jokes, that's just wrong....... :'( :'(

Oh wait, good question then..do you wear extensions?  I like braids but extensions throw me off, especially if it's blatant..haha

Both. But let me clear up some misconceptions, I DO NOT put $2 weave in my hair, when I keep it up, it is not blatant, usually most guys don't know it's weave until we get to the bedroom.............

then you're like, "uhm sorry you can't be all grabbing my hair like that, Yo we might have to stand up to do this";)
okay, as long as it's not that dollar store weave that looks like wet carpet.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 24, 2005, 05:56:35 PM
BP, if a girl has weave and don't want you pulling her hair, just pull on her ears real hard, they like that.... ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 24, 2005, 06:00:30 PM
Ladyday, shouldn't you be off somewhere wringing the jheri curl juice out of your shirt collar?
I kid, I kid!;)

 >:(

You can make all the jokes u wanna about me having Ming Ling's hair on my head. But jheri curl jokes, that's just wrong....... :'( :'(

Oh wait, good question then..do you wear extensions?  I like braids but extensions throw me off, especially if it's blatant..haha

Both. But let me clear up some misconceptions, I DO NOT put $2 weave in my hair, when I keep it up, it is not blatant, usually most guys don't know it's weave until we get to the bedroom.............

then you're like, "uhm sorry you can't be all grabbing my hair like that, Yo we might have to stand up to do this";)
okay, as long as it's not that dollar store weave that looks like wet carpet.

that's weird  :-\ b/c I have weave and it's easily fixable I don't mind you tuggin at it, it's not harming my natural hair. but when my hair is out, that's when we have to stand up  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 24, 2005, 06:01:43 PM
If the weave looks good work it out. Personally, I never did the weave thing. Seems like too much trouble.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 24, 2005, 06:01:58 PM
BP, if a girl has weave and don't want you pulling her hair, just pull on her ears real hard, they like that.... ;D

you're a retard  :D


hey! who are the disillusioned folks out there that think MJ's innocent?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 24, 2005, 06:02:19 PM
BP, if a girl has weave and don't want you pulling her hair, just pull on her ears real hard, they like that.... ;D

LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 24, 2005, 07:05:47 PM
Is anyone watching "Stars without makeup" on FOX?  It's a cheesy show, but oh man!!  I thought I looked freaking in the morning!

It's like a trainwreck-- can't look away.  And it's so sad that this is what 'entertainment' has come to.

Hey, I only have one channel.  This is all I get to watch tonight.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 24, 2005, 09:32:19 PM
Is anyone watching "Stars without makeup" on FOX?  It's a cheesy show, but oh man!!  I thought I looked freaking in the morning!

It's like a trainwreck-- can't look away.  And it's so sad that this is what 'entertainment' has come to.

Hey, I only have one channel.  This is all I get to watch tonight.

I saw parts of it. I think it's all the lighting and all the make-up that makes stars end up looking like that. They looked down right wretched.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 12:19:57 AM
bump


VOTE OR DIE
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 25, 2005, 12:24:02 AM
I actually voted yes. However I would probably just Human Rights work if I won 10 million dollars. My passion is human rights law, but I doing the big law thing for a few years so I can make my money so I can go with my passion. Although Corporate law is still very interesting to me.  :o
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 12:27:30 AM
I actually voted yes. However I would probably just Human Rights work if I won 10 million dollars. My passion is human rights law, but I doing the big law thing for a few years so I can make my money so I can go with my passion. Although Corporate law is still very interesting to me.  :o

I say yes too. There's so much work to be done and as a lawyer I will be privileged to the "ins and outs". Having that money though would be a hell of a stress reliever though!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 25, 2005, 12:34:50 AM
(http://img223.exs.cx/img223/428/starsleg8xi.jpg)


Guess who's leg that is....Am I seeing things, or does this heifer no shave her legs?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 12:39:31 AM
(http://img223.exs.cx/img223/428/starsleg8xi.jpg)


Guess who's leg that is....Am I seeing things, or does this heifer no shave her legs?

Leave Starr Alone! And why did she change her dress in the middle of her show? Did someone spill something on it or something?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 25, 2005, 12:42:15 AM
she has ugly feet. and i say this as someone who has ugly feet. :'(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on February 25, 2005, 01:04:04 AM
Her feet looks like tator tots.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on February 25, 2005, 07:11:45 AM
what about the black people in Africa who wear cornrow? and dreds? WTF?

kill that sh*t forreal. please stop trying to fit into this box that white people built.

that's your people. sh*t, love 'em.

Why does Africa even matter? @#!* that toilet.

Let me give you my quote from hotel rowanda again:

"You are dirt....you are not even a n-word....you are African!"

I love saying that.   
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 25, 2005, 08:32:44 AM
Her feet looks like tator tots.



 ;D ;D ;D

They look like brown pieces of popcorn
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 25, 2005, 08:42:38 AM
(http://img223.exs.cx/img223/428/starsleg8xi.jpg)


Guess who's leg that is....Am I seeing things, or does this heifer no shave her legs?

Goodness, you'd think that her foot would have shrunk a bit with all of that weight loss
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 25, 2005, 08:50:21 AM
I voted yes, but who am I kidding hopefully I wouldn't flunk out.  VERY nice house to go home to everynight, trips, nightlife lure, illicit herbal medicine lure, no pressure, dwindling motivation, car shopping, investments, etc. It would be very difficult to complete the JD, but this is my dream so I would give it a shot. Then use my knowledge and wealth to rule the world...muuuuaaaagghhh (fiendish laugh)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 25, 2005, 08:52:14 AM

(http://img223.exs.cx/img223/428/starsleg8xi.jpg)


Why is she trying to squeeze her big ass foot into that small shoe?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 09:48:26 AM
LOL.  You people are brutal!  Poor Star.  Now I'll NEVER post a pic of myself.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 25, 2005, 09:59:10 AM
LOL

That picture reminds me of childbirth!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 25, 2005, 10:00:13 AM
LOL

That picture reminds me of childbirth!

dayum  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 10:35:21 AM
So, what's going on today ladies (and gentleman)?

I'm sleepy.

But it's friday, I ain't got no job, and I ain't got *&^% to do. Well really I do have a lot of reading to do but I've decided not to think about it until tomorrow morning.

I was supposed to go to the conference this weekend but that's been scratched, I think I'll just go to the Denver one. Anyone else? (wrong thread I know but I don't feel like switching)

Has anyone went on a juice fast before? Does anyone wanna? I think I may fast for 1 week next month and I need a partner to keep me motivated, otherwise I might mess up and dog some crispy soy nuggets or something (mmmmmmm they are so good, taste just like chicken!)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 11:17:29 AM
So, what's going on today ladies (and gentleman)?

I'm sleepy.

But it's friday, I ain't got no job, and I ain't got sh*t to do. Well really I do have a lot of reading to do but I've decided not to think about it until tomorrow morning.

I was supposed to go to the conference this weekend but that's been scratched, I think I'll just go to the Denver one. Anyone else? (wrong thread I know but I don't feel like switching)

Has anyone went on a juice fast before? Does anyone wanna? I think I may fast for 1 week next month and I need a partner to keep me motivated, otherwise I might mess up and dog some crispy soy nuggets or something (mmmmmmm they are so good, taste just like chicken!)

are you a vegetarian?  i am.  i've never tried the juice diet.  i don't have the courage for those.  i have friends who have tried watermelong diets, and i've seen those work.  you eat watermelong for 3 days, and it's supposed to purge your system.   the people who did it definitely lost weight, got rid of any bloating, and their complexions even looked lighter/cleaner.  i would try that if i wasn't a veg, but i need to meet my daily needs or i'll die.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 11:44:26 AM
So, what's going on today ladies (and gentleman)?

I'm sleepy.

But it's friday, I ain't got no job, and I ain't got sh*t to do. Well really I do have a lot of reading to do but I've decided not to think about it until tomorrow morning.

I was supposed to go to the conference this weekend but that's been scratched, I think I'll just go to the Denver one. Anyone else? (wrong thread I know but I don't feel like switching)

Has anyone went on a juice fast before? Does anyone wanna? I think I may fast for 1 week next month and I need a partner to keep me motivated, otherwise I might mess up and dog some crispy soy nuggets or something (mmmmmmm they are so good, taste just like chicken!)

are you a vegetarian?  i am.  i've never tried the juice diet.  i don't have the courage for those.  i have friends who have tried watermelong diets, and i've seen those work.  you eat watermelong for 3 days, and it's supposed to purge your system.   the people who did it definitely lost weight, got rid of any bloating, and their complexions even looked lighter/cleaner.  i would try that if i wasn't a veg, but i need to meet my daily needs or i'll die.

yes I'm a vegetarian/semi-vegan. it's not a diet, it's a cleansing. to get rid of toxins, waste, and impurities in your system. to do juicing as a diet is silly, once you start eating regular foods again you'll gain it all back! it's so scary the drastic measures some women will take to lose weight  :-[ Why did you decide to be a vegetarian?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on February 25, 2005, 11:48:26 AM
So, what's going on today ladies (and gentleman)?

I'm sleepy.

But it's friday, I ain't got no job, and I ain't got sh*t to do. Well really I do have a lot of reading to do but I've decided not to think about it until tomorrow morning.

I was supposed to go to the conference this weekend but that's been scratched, I think I'll just go to the Denver one. Anyone else? (wrong thread I know but I don't feel like switching)

Has anyone went on a juice fast before? Does anyone wanna? I think I may fast for 1 week next month and I need a partner to keep me motivated, otherwise I might mess up and dog some crispy soy nuggets or something (mmmmmmm they are so good, taste just like chicken!)

are you a vegetarian?  i am.  i've never tried the juice diet.  i don't have the courage for those.  i have friends who have tried watermelong diets, and i've seen those work.  you eat watermelong for 3 days, and it's supposed to purge your system.   the people who did it definitely lost weight, got rid of any bloating, and their complexions even looked lighter/cleaner.  i would try that if i wasn't a veg, but i need to meet my daily needs or i'll die.

What in the world is watermelong?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 12:21:22 PM
So, what's going on today ladies (and gentleman)?

I'm sleepy.

But it's friday, I ain't got no job, and I ain't got sh*t to do. Well really I do have a lot of reading to do but I've decided not to think about it until tomorrow morning.

I was supposed to go to the conference this weekend but that's been scratched, I think I'll just go to the Denver one. Anyone else? (wrong thread I know but I don't feel like switching)

Has anyone went on a juice fast before? Does anyone wanna? I think I may fast for 1 week next month and I need a partner to keep me motivated, otherwise I might mess up and dog some crispy soy nuggets or something (mmmmmmm they are so good, taste just like chicken!)

are you a vegetarian?  i am.  i've never tried the juice diet.  i don't have the courage for those.  i have friends who have tried watermelong diets, and i've seen those work.  you eat watermelong for 3 days, and it's supposed to purge your system.   the people who did it definitely lost weight, got rid of any bloating, and their complexions even looked lighter/cleaner.  i would try that if i wasn't a veg, but i need to meet my daily needs or i'll die.

yes I'm a vegetarian/semi-vegan. it's not a diet, it's a cleansing. to get rid of toxins, waste, and impurities in your system. to do juicing as a diet is silly, once you start eating regular foods again you'll gain it all back! it's so scary the drastic measures some women will take to lose weight  :-[ Why did you decide to be a vegetarian?

for ethical reasons.  i was never much of a carnivore to begin with.  i saw how my uncles and others would slaughter pigs, goats, cows, and deer, and i was not impressed or tempted to eat the food that came of it.  a few years ago i saw the "know your meat" documentary off the peta website, and from that moment on, meat has repulsed me.  i don't think animals should die for the one hamburger i have every month.

i try to be a vegan, but i really like cheese.  no milk, eggs, or other dairy.  i just can't resist a good cheese pizza when i see i'm hungry or at a restaurant.  it's really hard to be a vegan, especially when dining out.  i'm a vegan at home.

why did you become a vegetarian/semi-vegan?  and how do you supplement your protein req's?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 25, 2005, 12:31:19 PM
Ladies, your thoughts on this article?

Quote
A Twisted Perception of Beauty
by Kim Campbell






How many times have you sisters been envious of a pretty girl? You know the one with "good" hair and a light complexion. How many times have we wished we were like those video chicks who, have flawless skin and seem to have all of their fat perfectly distributed to all the right places on her body? Whether you would like to admit it or not, I'm pretty sure all of us have questioned how beautiful we are at one point or another. Whether it's from getting rejected by a boy or just watching a few music videos, you have probably felt that some physical feature you possessed did not make you beautiful enough.


But what is beautiful? There has always been constant conflict among the female African-American community as to what true beauty is. For example, the light skin versus dark skin issue. There is a stigma that blacks of a lighter complexion are perceived as more attractive or in some cases more capable than people of a darker skin tone. Everyday conversations will show that several African-Americans feel that it is better to be light skinned. For example have you heard a boy make a comment like " yea, she's aight but she's mad dark," or a friend going on vacation say " I'm gonna make sure I don't stay outside too long cause I don't wanna come back looking crispy." Comments like these suggest that being dark has negative connotations. There are historical references that indicate that this mindset may have come from times of slavery when light skinned workers (whom were probably products of a rape between a slave and her master) were chosen to do the less physically demanding housework rather than the grueling work outside in the fields. Their fair complexion made them "better" than the field workers because they were "privileged" enough to work inside of the house. This built up a great deal of animosity between dark and light skinned blacks that subtly exists today and is one of many issues preventing the African American community from uniting and moving forward as one.


Another conflicting issue on what is beautiful is the texture of a females' hair. African-Americans have a history behind the hair on their heads. During the late 1800s entrepreneurs such as Madame CJ Walker were finding ways of straightening the texture of black women's hair. With the use of the hot comb andrelaxers such as, No Kink and Black-No-More women achieved the European look of straighter, smoother, less "nappier" hair. There was a transition period of black pride during the 1960's where celebrating blacks' natural features, such as the kinky texture of their hair was encouraged through hair dos such as the afro. However the afro declined and stylessuch as the jeri curl and box braids dominated during the 80s into the early 90s. Nowadays, perms are quite dominant but dreadlocks and cornrows are quite common as well. Today's ranges of hairstyles are rather diverse but a paradigm of "good hair" still exists as straight smooth and long. Among the issues of skin complexion and hair texture, women of color had to deal with how their bodies were portrayed as well.

For a long time black women were not even represented in the media. During the 1930s it was rare to see a black woman other than Aunt Jemima on a pancake box. Black women were usually depicted as woman with excessively large breasts, wide hips, a large behind, and thick thighs. Although African-Americans do have a tendency of being shapely and having a voluptuous figure, the media exaggerated certain features and made sure that black females' natural thickness was not deemed beautiful. This however is not to be confused with what males in the African-American community find attractive. Contrary to the media's perception of thin being in, black males tend to be attracted to females with curvy figures. The hip-hop and R&B culture perpetuate this with songs such as Fatty Girl (LL Cool J, Keith Sweat and Ludacris), Bootylicious (Destinys Child), Back That Thing Up (Juvenile) and lyrics from the song Baby Phat (De La Soul) which is dedicated to thick woman:


Every woman ain't a video chick (Nah)
Or runway model and I wrecks it
I love what I can hold and grab on
So if you burn it off then keep the flab on


These words obviously celebrate the full figures that Afrrican-American women posses. This of course poses confusion as to what is an attractive body. The media depict beauty (white) as slim is in, but the hip hop culture dictates that males are attracted to women with wide hips and a good amount of junk in her trunk. African-American females who may not be as "bootylicious" may feel that they don't have a "black girl body" and that they are not attractive. Then there are black women who are very shapely who feel that they are too thick because according to mainstream media, less is best. So with all of hese conflicting paradigms and perceptions of beauty what is defined as beautiful?

Is it a thick woman with dark skin and long straight hair? Is it a size 0 girl with a light complexion and a head of short kinky hair? Of the two girls I described, is one more beautiful than the other? You may be under the impression that I am here to glorify the "true" beauty of a dark woman with natural hair but the truth is those women are no more beautiful than light skinned girls with straight hair. I could be focusing on why big is beautiful, but there are very thin girls who are beautiful as well. The reason we have a twisted perception of beauty is because it based solely on the physical appearance of a woman. If we, as a unified community took the time to observe that our diversity is what makes us as a race, beautiful, then there would be less bitterness between the light-skinned girl and the tar baby. There would be little resentment between the girl with kinks and the girl who gets her perm every 6 weeks. There would be less hostility between the women who wear a double 0 and the women who wear the size 10. These feelings of animosity are what prevents us from uniting and conquering bigger problems that affect all women, light and dark alike. We need to realize that our differences are what makes us beautiful and that it is possible for all of us to be comfortable in our own skin. In addition, we fail to see that being beautiful has little to do with how you look and has everything to do with the person you are inside. A supermodel could be paid 1000 dollars a day for her looks but if she has no self respect, no pride, no ambition, no compassion, no hopes, no dreams, and no love of oneself, is she to be considered beautiful? A woman who has all the characteristics that supermodel is lacking will hold herself differently. Her self-confidence and positive vibe will be reflected in her every movement. True beauty does not come from your dress size or your skin tone it comes from your heart and soul and that is the message that should be emphasized in the media.

Now wouldn't that be a beautiful thing?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: cali444 on February 25, 2005, 12:41:17 PM
Ladies, your thoughts on this article?

Quote
A Twisted Perception of Beauty
by Kim Campbell






How many times have you sisters been envious of a pretty girl? You know the one with "good" hair and a light complexion. How many times have we wished we were like those video chicks who, have flawless skin and seem to have all of their fat perfectly distributed to all the right places on her body? Whether you would like to admit it or not, I'm pretty sure all of us have questioned how beautiful we are at one point or another. Whether it's from getting rejected by a boy or just watching a few music videos, you have probably felt that some physical feature you possessed did not make you beautiful enough.


But what is beautiful? There has always been constant conflict among the female African-American community as to what true beauty is. For example, the light skin versus dark skin issue. There is a stigma that blacks of a lighter complexion are perceived as more attractive or in some cases more capable than people of a darker skin tone. Everyday conversations will show that several African-Americans feel that it is better to be light skinned. For example have you heard a boy make a comment like " yea, she's aight but she's mad dark," or a friend going on vacation say " I'm gonna make sure I don't stay outside too long cause I don't wanna come back looking crispy." Comments like these suggest that being dark has negative connotations. There are historical references that indicate that this mindset may have come from times of slavery when light skinned workers (whom were probably products of a rape between a slave and her master) were chosen to do the less physically demanding housework rather than the grueling work outside in the fields. Their fair complexion made them "better" than the field workers because they were "privileged" enough to work inside of the house. This built up a great deal of animosity between dark and light skinned blacks that subtly exists today and is one of many issues preventing the African American community from uniting and moving forward as one.


Another conflicting issue on what is beautiful is the texture of a females' hair. African-Americans have a history behind the hair on their heads. During the late 1800s entrepreneurs such as Madame CJ Walker were finding ways of straightening the texture of black women's hair. With the use of the hot comb andrelaxers such as, No Kink and Black-No-More women achieved the European look of straighter, smoother, less "nappier" hair. There was a transition period of black pride during the 1960's where celebrating blacks' natural features, such as the kinky texture of their hair was encouraged through hair dos such as the afro. However the afro declined and stylessuch as the jeri curl and box braids dominated during the 80s into the early 90s. Nowadays, perms are quite dominant but dreadlocks and cornrows are quite common as well. Today's ranges of hairstyles are rather diverse but a paradigm of "good hair" still exists as straight smooth and long. Among the issues of skin complexion and hair texture, women of color had to deal with how their bodies were portrayed as well.

For a long time black women were not even represented in the media. During the 1930s it was rare to see a black woman other than Aunt Jemima on a pancake box. Black women were usually depicted as woman with excessively large breasts, wide hips, a large behind, and thick thighs. Although African-Americans do have a tendency of being shapely and having a voluptuous figure, the media exaggerated certain features and made sure that black females' natural thickness was not deemed beautiful. This however is not to be confused with what males in the African-American community find attractive. Contrary to the media's perception of thin being in, black males tend to be attracted to females with curvy figures. The hip-hop and R&B culture perpetuate this with songs such as Fatty Girl (LL Cool J, Keith Sweat and Ludacris), Bootylicious (Destinys Child), Back That Thing Up (Juvenile) and lyrics from the song Baby Phat (De La Soul) which is dedicated to thick woman:


Every woman ain't a video chick (Nah)
Or runway model and I wrecks it
I love what I can hold and grab on
So if you burn it off then keep the flab on


These words obviously celebrate the full figures that Afrrican-American women posses. This of course poses confusion as to what is an attractive body. The media depict beauty (white) as slim is in, but the hip hop culture dictates that males are attracted to women with wide hips and a good amount of junk in her trunk. African-American females who may not be as "bootylicious" may feel that they don't have a "black girl body" and that they are not attractive. Then there are black women who are very shapely who feel that they are too thick because according to mainstream media, less is best. So with all of hese conflicting paradigms and perceptions of beauty what is defined as beautiful?

Is it a thick woman with dark skin and long straight hair? Is it a size 0 girl with a light complexion and a head of short kinky hair? Of the two girls I described, is one more beautiful than the other? You may be under the impression that I am here to glorify the "true" beauty of a dark woman with natural hair but the truth is those women are no more beautiful than light skinned girls with straight hair. I could be focusing on why big is beautiful, but there are very thin girls who are beautiful as well. The reason we have a twisted perception of beauty is because it based solely on the physical appearance of a woman. If we, as a unified community took the time to observe that our diversity is what makes us as a race, beautiful, then there would be less bitterness between the light-skinned girl and the tar baby. There would be little resentment between the girl with kinks and the girl who gets her perm every 6 weeks. There would be less hostility between the women who wear a double 0 and the women who wear the size 10. These feelings of animosity are what prevents us from uniting and conquering bigger problems that affect all women, light and dark alike. We need to realize that our differences are what makes us beautiful and that it is possible for all of us to be comfortable in our own skin. In addition, we fail to see that being beautiful has little to do with how you look and has everything to do with the person you are inside. A supermodel could be paid 1000 dollars a day for her looks but if she has no self respect, no pride, no ambition, no compassion, no hopes, no dreams, and no love of oneself, is she to be considered beautiful? A woman who has all the characteristics that supermodel is lacking will hold herself differently. Her self-confidence and positive vibe will be reflected in her every movement. True beauty does not come from your dress size or your skin tone it comes from your heart and soul and that is the message that should be emphasized in the media.

Now wouldn't that be a beautiful thing?


Where'd you find this article?  The writing is pretty atrocious, I must say.  And I don't think she's really saying anything that original.  We've pretty much had this discussion here on the board several times, and the posters here are more thoughtful and articulate.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on February 25, 2005, 12:47:18 PM
Regal that article was kind of dry....I agree that it touched on some real issues for Black Women as far as hair and skin complexion...I was thinking of doing a thread on color complex....maybe I still will.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 12:50:06 PM
yes I'm a vegetarian/semi-vegan. it's not a diet, it's a cleansing. to get rid of toxins, waste, and impurities in your system. to do juicing as a diet is silly, once you start eating regular foods again you'll gain it all back! it's so scary the drastic measures some women will take to lose weight  :-[ Why did you decide to be a vegetarian?

for ethical reasons.  i was never much of a carnivore to begin with.  i saw how my uncles and others would slaughter pigs, goats, cows, and deer, and i was not impressed or tempted to eat the food that came of it.  a few years ago i saw the "know your meat" documentary off the peta website, and from that moment on, meat has repulsed me.  i don't think animals should die for the one hamburger i have every month.

i try to be a vegan, but i really like cheese.  no milk, eggs, or other dairy.  i just can't resist a good cheese pizza when i see i'm hungry or at a restaurant.  it's really hard to be a vegan, especially when dining out.  i'm a vegan at home.

why did you become a vegetarian/semi-vegan?  and how do you supplement your protein req's?


kinda the same thing here. I stopped eating red meat and pork in HS. Then I stopped eating poultry for a year, ate it again for a year, and then I stopped again. I'm lucky that I live with vegans so it's pretty easy to stay on track and come up with tasty recipes. What they do to those poor animals is horrible and the hormones and other garbage they put into the food is nasty. And I'm like you in the fact that I'm vegan at home but when I go out, if I can't find a vegan restaurant, I compromise, but I usually feel it a few days afterwards, I'm sluggish, bloated, nauseated, and other things happen if you know what I mean....... :-[  So I don't do that too often. But there are so many alternatives to eggs, milk, and cheese out there that it really isn't too hard to be a vegan if you don't eat out too often. And there's a lot of good restaurants in NYC even when you do. I shop at a Co-op and they have great items there, Soy pizzas mmmmmmmmmm! I try to supplement protein with soy, but I'm not doing a good job of it I've notieced lately, so I'm going to start drinking a healthy protein shake, I advise you to do the same thing but make sure to check the ingredients b/c they put a lot of unhealthy stuff into some products out there!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on February 25, 2005, 12:56:50 PM
 :) I'm off for the weekend.......I'll try to check in this weekend since u all seem to have great convo at night and on weekends.....But in case I don't make it on....Have A Wonderful Weekend Ladies!!! :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 01:35:40 PM
:) I'm off for the weekend.......I'll try to check in this weekend since u all seem to have great convo at night and on weekends.....But in case I don't make it on....Have A Wonderful Weekend Ladies!!! :)

You too!

Regal, I concur with the other ladies. That article sounds like it was written by a senior in high school or something. I guess I understand the point she was trying to make but jeez, make it interesting!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 01:39:12 PM
yes I'm a vegetarian/semi-vegan. it's not a diet, it's a cleansing. to get rid of toxins, waste, and impurities in your system. to do juicing as a diet is silly, once you start eating regular foods again you'll gain it all back! it's so scary the drastic measures some women will take to lose weight  :-[ Why did you decide to be a vegetarian?

for ethical reasons.  i was never much of a carnivore to begin with.  i saw how my uncles and others would slaughter pigs, goats, cows, and deer, and i was not impressed or tempted to eat the food that came of it.  a few years ago i saw the "know your meat" documentary off the peta website, and from that moment on, meat has repulsed me.  i don't think animals should die for the one hamburger i have every month.

i try to be a vegan, but i really like cheese.  no milk, eggs, or other dairy.  i just can't resist a good cheese pizza when i see i'm hungry or at a restaurant.  it's really hard to be a vegan, especially when dining out.  i'm a vegan at home.

why did you become a vegetarian/semi-vegan?  and how do you supplement your protein req's?


kinda the same thing here. I stopped eating red meat and pork in HS. Then I stopped eating poultry for a year, ate it again for a year, and then I stopped again. I'm lucky that I live with vegans so it's pretty easy to stay on track and come up with tasty recipes. What they do to those poor animals is horrible and the hormones and other garbage they put into the food is nasty. And I'm like you in the fact that I'm vegan at home but when I go out, if I can't find a vegan restaurant, I compromise, but I usually feel it a few days afterwards, I'm sluggish, bloated, nauseated, and other things happen if you know what I mean....... :-[  So I don't do that too often. But there are so many alternatives to eggs, milk, and cheese out there that it really isn't too hard to be a vegan if you don't eat out too often. And there's a lot of good restaurants in NYC even when you do. I shop at a Co-op and they have great items there, Soy pizzas mmmmmmmmmm! I try to supplement protein with soy, but I'm not doing a good job of it I've notieced lately, so I'm going to start drinking a healthy protein shake, I advise you to do the same thing but make sure to check the ingredients b/c they put a lot of unhealthy stuff into some products out there!

I completely understand what you're saying.  My body does not tolerate too much dairy anymore, and it's getting dangerously close to rejecting cheese.  last weekend i was so upset, i had so much cheese pizza.  it was so disgusting.  i got bloated and swollen.  my stomach hurt.  i was so sick.  i do not suffer from gas probs, thank goodness. 

i'm happy being a vege/semi-vegan.  it makes me feel better about myself.  for the first year that i was a vege all i ate were beans and tofu.  ha.  then i got so sick of them.  so i started experimenting, and i've definitely broadened my selections.  i hate protein shakes.  but i do eat protein bars all the time.  luna bars are da bomb.  austin is extremely veg friendly.  i'm going to miss it.

do you wear leather?

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 25, 2005, 01:40:25 PM
Why are there so many vegits on this board?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 02:08:27 PM
I completely understand what you're saying.  My body does not tolerate too much dairy anymore, and it's getting dangerously close to rejecting cheese.  last weekend i was so upset, i had so much cheese pizza.  it was so disgusting.  i got bloated and swollen.  my stomach hurt.  i was so sick.  i do not suffer from gas probs, thank goodness. 

i'm happy being a vege/semi-vegan.  it makes me feel better about myself.  for the first year that i was a vege all i ate were beans and tofu.  ha.  then i got so sick of them.  so i started experimenting, and i've definitely broadened my selections.  i hate protein shakes.  but i do eat protein bars all the time.  luna bars are da bomb.  austin is extremely veg friendly.  i'm going to miss it.

do you wear leather?

I sure do wear leather! Hey I'm not a "save the animals" phanatic, I do find it horrid what they do to cows so people can eat them, but I'm not on a moral crusade about it. I just find meat gross. In my house there's 2 vegans, my semi-vegan behind, and then one meat-eater. The meat eater was making a turkey-burger (which isn't as bad as beef) but the smell  :P, the 3 of us had our noses turned up and I was so nauseated. When I started eating chicken again after stopping for a year, one day I just couldn't do it anymore, I almost "released it" it was so nasty. So never again. But I could never be a full vegan 'cause they put meat products into sooooo many things. Did you know that regular marshmellows aren't safe b/c they are made with gelatin which is made with a pork-by-product. Check your labels, whenver it says whey, it's a by-product of milk. Even in regular ole potato chips! It can be so frustrating at times   >:(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 02:10:15 PM
And NYC is extremly vegetarian/vegan friendly too. And since Jersey's a hop skip and jump away that really shouldn't be an issue for ya  :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 02:22:32 PM
And NYC is extremly vegetarian/vegan friendly too. And since Jersey's a hop skip and jump away that really shouldn't be an issue for ya  :)

Good!  I didn't want to have to starve my behind.  It's good to see that our views on meat and leather are the same.  I don't have a problem buying leather shoes or purses.  I get a lot of flack for that.  Oh well.  I'm wearing it, and prob keeping it for years.  Not like a burger.  I'm a label junky.  Even food that's vegetarian usually has egg whites.  Gross.  I don't have issues with cooking meat though.  I cook it all for my SO.  It's pretty nasty, and it makes me nauseas, but I don't go around preaching to others or condemning anyone for choosing to eat meat.  I don't ever taste the food I cook for him though, so sometimes it's stale and that's how I get back at him (for killing animals   ;)  ).

I might start eating meat when I get pregnant.  I don't know yet.  My SO wants me to eat meat now, and he says I'd better when I do get pregnant.  But I don't know.  I still have time to find a way around that one.  Thank goodness.  What do you think about a veg pregnancy?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 02:33:19 PM
And NYC is extremly vegetarian/vegan friendly too. And since Jersey's a hop skip and jump away that really shouldn't be an issue for ya  :)

Good!  I didn't want to have to starve my behind.  It's good to see that our views on meat and leather are the same.  I don't have a problem buying leather shoes or purses.  I get a lot of flack for that.  Oh well.  I'm wearing it, and prob keeping it for years.  Not like a burger.  I'm a label junky.  Even food that's vegetarian usually has egg whites.  Gross.  I don't have issues with cooking meat though.  I cook it all for my SO.  It's pretty nasty, and it makes me nauseas, but I don't go around preaching to others or condemning anyone for choosing to eat meat.  I don't ever taste the food I cook for him though, so sometimes it's stale and that's how I get back at him (for killing animals   ;)  ).

I might start eating meat when I get pregnant.  I don't know yet.  My SO wants me to eat meat now, and he says I'd better when I do get pregnant.  But I don't know.  I still have time to find a way around that one.  Thank goodness.  What do you think about a veg pregnancy?

I'm the same way! Actually, it's pretty sad, but I can fix meat meals better than I can vegan and vegitarian ones :D  I don't preach, but if you ask why I don't eat meat, I'll tell ya and sometimes they get offended??  I'm not going to eat meat when I'm preggers though. There's too many nutritionalist doctors and healers in NYC that I can go to once I decide to start a family. And I don't plan on getting knocked up until after I graduate from ls so I most likely will be able to afford it. My concern is what will my children eat? Erykah Badu's son and daughter are being brought up on a vegan diet so I'll probably try to hook up with her or whoever designed their nutritional plan to see how it works with kids.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
And NYC is extremly vegetarian/vegan friendly too. And since Jersey's a hop skip and jump away that really shouldn't be an issue for ya  :)

Good!  I didn't want to have to starve my behind.  It's good to see that our views on meat and leather are the same.  I don't have a problem buying leather shoes or purses.  I get a lot of flack for that.  Oh well.  I'm wearing it, and prob keeping it for years.  Not like a burger.  I'm a label junky.  Even food that's vegetarian usually has egg whites.  Gross.  I don't have issues with cooking meat though.  I cook it all for my SO.  It's pretty nasty, and it makes me nauseas, but I don't go around preaching to others or condemning anyone for choosing to eat meat.  I don't ever taste the food I cook for him though, so sometimes it's stale and that's how I get back at him (for killing animals   ;)  ).

I might start eating meat when I get pregnant.  I don't know yet.  My SO wants me to eat meat now, and he says I'd better when I do get pregnant.  But I don't know.  I still have time to find a way around that one.  Thank goodness.  What do you think about a veg pregnancy?

I'm the same way! Actually, it's pretty sad, but I can fix meat meals better than I can vegan and vegitarian ones :D  I don't preach, but if you ask why I don't eat meat, I'll tell ya and sometimes they get offended??  I'm not going to eat meat when I'm preggers though. There's too many nutritionalist doctors and healers in NYC that I can go to once I decide to start a family. And I don't plan on getting knocked up until after I graduate from ls so I most likely will be able to afford it. My concern is what will my children eat? Erykah Badu's son and daughter are being brought up on a vegan diet so I'll probably try to hook up with her or whoever designed their nutritional plan to see how it works with kids.


interesting.  i don't want to eat meat when i'm pregnant, and i know it can be done, so we'll see.  i'm afraid of eating all those nasty hormones and preservatives and other additives with a baby inside me.  but i'm also afraid of having a skinny or deficient kid.  i like fat gargantuan babies.  but yeah, you and i still have time for all that.  thank goodness.  i'll be a vegetarian forever, i'm sure.  if the kids want to follow in my bean-sprout eating footsteps, then they sure can. 

woo!!  another vegetarian that's just like me!!   ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 02:44:49 PM
Is anyone watching Oprah? Ya see Ashanti's hair? Ladyday does not take it there.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 25, 2005, 02:48:13 PM
The article was sent to me by one of the girls I mentor. I just glanced through it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 25, 2005, 03:04:59 PM
Did I just read you gals won't eat meat but you'll wear meat. Huh, what's the difference?  How about those poor vegatables that get ripped right out of their home err...I mean the ground and have to leave all of their family just to be chopped up and devoured in a salad. Who's gonna stand up for the vegatables, Dammit.  What did fruit ever do to you guys, I know you're plotting to squeeze all the life out of the poor, wittle, oranges, and grapes shame on all of you vegans.  ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 03:08:16 PM
Did I just read you gals won't eat meat but you'll wear meat. Huh, what's the difference?  How about those poor vegatables that get ripped right out of their home err...I mean the ground and have to leave all of their family just to be chopped up and devoured in a salad. Who's gonna stand up for the vegatables, Dammit.  What did fruit ever do to you guys, I know you're plotting to squeeze all the life out of the poor, wittle, oranges, and grapes shame on all of you vegans.  ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D

Haha...

This is exactly what I was talking about:  'vegetables have feelings too!  they have sensors!  they can die too!"  and "you're so hypocritical bc you don't eat it but you wear it."

eh.  call it skewed.  it's how i function.   ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 03:12:07 PM
Did I just read you gals won't eat meat but you'll wear meat. Huh, what's the difference?  How about those poor vegatables that get ripped right out of their home err...I mean the ground and have to leave all of their family just to be chopped up and devoured in a salad. Who's gonna stand up for the vegatables, Dammit.  What did fruit ever do to you guys, I know you're plotting to squeeze all the life out of the poor, wittle, oranges, and grapes shame on all of you vegans.  ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D

 :D    ::)    ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 25, 2005, 03:25:38 PM
Can we get a view results link on the virginity poll.  I want to see who is still a liar...err, I mean virgin.  My momma told me they don't even make them anymore.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 25, 2005, 03:27:11 PM
I think it's extremely hypocritical for an individual to say they don't eat meat for ethnical reasons but will turn around and wear fur or anything leather. I can understand the reasons for not eating meat, especially since there are so many hormones being pumped into animals these days. I know so many vegetarians who will be the first ones in line to buy chinchilla or the newest leather purse.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 03:30:54 PM
No chinchilla.  No other fur.  The only leather I have is the pre-veg stuff I bought.  And  a few pairs of shoes that my SO has surprised me with.  I don't actively buy leather.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 25, 2005, 03:31:17 PM
I eat meat cause I'm too chicken to take steroids. ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on February 25, 2005, 03:32:02 PM
i'm going to get a white fox fur coat when i can afford it.
if someone throws blood or paint on that female dog, they are getting screwed up. that's all i gotta say.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 03:34:10 PM
It won't be me.  I'm no PETA member.  Me cooking meat for my SO should tell you how tolerant I am of people's personal decisions, even when they clash with my own.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 25, 2005, 03:35:20 PM
All B.S. aside I kinda understand your ethical stance on meat. I also like to take stands, I won't eat at Denny's, ever.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 25, 2005, 03:41:17 PM
There was a vegetarian theme to this discussion, and I almost miss it!

To the veggies: I've recently noticed that I've started thinking about the act of eating certain kinds of meat as kinda barbaric. It's strange because, after about three years of being a vegetarian, this is the first time it's happened. And I'm not talking about someone eating steak, or a hamburger, or even chicken fingers ... it's when they're eating something like a whole chicken, or ribs, or even chicken legs with all the tendons and nerves that it gets me. I'll never say anything because, well, one, I'm not that militant of a vegetarian and two, it's more a feeling of curiosity and not so much one of disgust. It's more like "Whoa, he's eating an actual chicken leg ..."

Ever feel this way?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 03:41:57 PM
All B.S. aside I kinda understand your ethical stance on meat. I also like to take stands, I won't eat at Denny's, ever.

why not denny's?  what'd they do?

i like their pancakes and french fries and grilled cheese sandwiches, even if they're all prob cooked on the same grill as their bacon.  nasty.   i don't think about that too much when i'm starving.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on February 25, 2005, 03:42:57 PM
All B.S. aside I kinda understand your ethical stance on meat. I also like to take stands, I won't eat at Denny's, ever.

why not denny's?  what'd they do?

i like their pancakes and french fries and grilled cheese sandwiches, even if they're all prob cooked on the same grill as their bacon.  nasty.   i don't think about that too much when i'm starving.

Probably because of their discrimination suit a few years back-against black patrons
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 03:43:55 PM
There was a vegetarian theme to this discussion, and I almost miss it!

To the veggies: I've recently noticed that I've started thinking about the act of eating certain kinds of meat as kinda barbaric. It's strange because after about three years of being a vegetarian this is the first time it's happened. And I'm not talking about someone eating steak, or a hamburger, or even chicken fingers ... it's when they're eating something like a whole chicken, or ribs, or even chicken legs with all the tendons and nerves that it gets me. I'll never saw anything because, well, one, I'm not militant of a vegetarian and two, it's more a feeling of curiosity and not so much one of disgust. It's more like "Whoa, he's eating an actual chicken leg ..."

Ever feel this way?

yes, especially when it's ribs.  or barbacoa, as in  A HEAD OF COW- eyeballs and everyting.  blech!!!

ugh.  i think i just made myself sick.   :P
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 03:45:58 PM
All B.S. aside I kinda understand your ethical stance on meat. I also like to take stands, I won't eat at Denny's, ever.

why not denny's?  what'd they do?

i like their pancakes and french fries and grilled cheese sandwiches, even if they're all prob cooked on the same grill as their bacon.  nasty.   i don't think about that too much when i'm starving.

Probably because of their discrimination suit a few years back-against black patrons

i didn't know about that one.  i'll definitely look into it and boycott.  what gas station was it that was openly discriminating against black people?  was it texaco or exxon?  i forget, so i just boycotted all those big bastards. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 25, 2005, 03:47:40 PM
All B.S. aside I kinda understand your ethical stance on meat. I also like to take stands, I won't eat at Denny's, ever.

why not denny's?  what'd they do?

i like their pancakes and french fries and grilled cheese sandwiches, even if they're all prob cooked on the same grill as their bacon.  nasty.   i don't think about that too much when i'm starving.

Probably because of their discrimination suit a few years back-against black patrons

Ding, exactly I'd rather give my money to an organization that's not prejudice and not stupid enough to deny service to 5 black FBI agents, there is more to this but that's the gist.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 03:50:15 PM
All B.S. aside I kinda understand your ethical stance on meat. I also like to take stands, I won't eat at Denny's, ever.

why not denny's?  what'd they do?

i like their pancakes and french fries and grilled cheese sandwiches, even if they're all prob cooked on the same grill as their bacon.  nasty.   i don't think about that too much when i'm starving.

Probably because of their discrimination suit a few years back-against black patrons

Ding, exactly I'd rather give my money to an organization that's not prejudice and not stupid enough to deny service to 5 black FBI agents, there is more to this but that's the gist.



wow.  i had no clue.  denny's is on my *&^% list now.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 25, 2005, 04:33:41 PM
I think it's extremely hypocritical for an individual to say they don't eat meat for ethnical reasons but will turn around and wear fur or anything leather. I can understand the reasons for not eating meat, especially since there are so many hormones being pumped into animals these days. I know so many vegetarians who will be the first ones in line to buy chinchilla or the newest leather purse.

B/c those vegetarians (much like myself) are saying they don't mind wearing leather or fur, but they don't want to ingest animals. Wearing animals isn't harming your body.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 25, 2005, 04:37:20 PM
So Ladyday, you are a vegetarian for health reasons, not b/c you have ethical issues with killing animals? Okay I understand that. My mom is the same way, but she'll be quick to wear wear an animal LOL. She just won't eat it. I tried the vegetarian route but I really missed sushi, seafood, and chicken. I don't eat pork or red meat so...It's still possible to eat really healthy without elminating meat from your diet.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 25, 2005, 04:56:17 PM
becoming a vegetarian is one of the best things that's ever happened to me.  i have ZERO stomach problems, never heartburn or indegestion.  i never gain weight.  in fact, i lost some.  i never get bloated or swollen.  i never feel too sluggish.  i'm so much more healthier.  my focus on my protein intake has improved my complexion, my hair, and my nails as well.  i feel more limber.  i can eat anything i want (i.e. a pound of chocolate or a sack of chips) and never gain weight.  all of this, however, changes somewhat when i have half a cheese pizza.    ::) 

being a vegetarian is a lot of work:  reading all the labels, buying the expensive meat substitutes, learning how to cook all over again, keeping tabs of how much protein and vitamins have been consumed, not to mention having a very limited selection of menu items at most restaurants.  at least i'll never have to worry about my diet contributing to intestinal or colonic diseases, heart disease or high blood pressure, or any of those other cancers that have been directly linked to meats.  it has it's ups and downs.  it's definitely a lifestyle, and it's not for everyone.  i admire people who are vegetarians and vegans, but i also respect those who aren't.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 25, 2005, 04:58:29 PM
I'm a vegetarian too, for both health and ethical reasons.  I can't do the vegan thing yet, although to me, eating eggs seems like eating an abortion..  :-\


Well, I like my abortion scrambled with cheese.  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 25, 2005, 05:02:34 PM
ewww, I didn't need that visual.. :-[
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 25, 2005, 05:04:51 PM
ewww, I didn't need that visual.. :-[

You don't like eggs?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on February 25, 2005, 05:57:34 PM
Ooops, I peeked at the poll. I call B.S. There may be one but definetly not 5 virgins on this board. Somebody's lying, Oral is Sex, I don't care what Clinton says.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 25, 2005, 06:05:09 PM
Ooops, I peeked at the poll. I call B.S. There may be one but definetly not 5 virgins on this board. Somebody's lying, Oral is Sex, I don't care what Clinton says.

LOL @ you peeking at the poll. Let me see the results of the poll. Us guys want to know without voting.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on February 25, 2005, 06:08:01 PM
Ooops, I peeked at the poll. I call B.S. There may be one but definetly not 5 virgins on this board. Somebody's lying, Oral is Sex, I don't care what Clinton says.

we've already been through this.  There are definitely at least 5 virgins on this board.  damn, why so cynical?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 25, 2005, 06:08:58 PM
Ooops, I peeked at the poll. I call B.S. There may be one but definetly not 5 virgins on this board. Somebody's lying, Oral is Sex, I don't care what Clinton says.

we've already been through this.  There are definitely at least 5 virgins on this board.  damn, why so cynical?

name 'em.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on February 25, 2005, 06:10:31 PM
Ooops, I peeked at the poll. I call B.S. There may be one but definetly not 5 virgins on this board. Somebody's lying, Oral is Sex, I don't care what Clinton says.

we've already been through this.  There are definitely at least 5 virgins on this board.  damn, why so cynical?

name 'em.

start a thread
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 25, 2005, 06:14:22 PM
Ooops, I peeked at the poll. I call B.S. There may be one but definetly not 5 virgins on this board. Somebody's lying, Oral is Sex, I don't care what Clinton says.

we've already been through this.  There are definitely at least 5 virgins on this board.  damn, why so cynical?

name 'em.

start a thread

done
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on February 25, 2005, 07:51:41 PM
All this veggie talk has got me craving a huge cheeseburger and fries.  Sorry, guys, I know I'm terrible.  I tried to go veggie in H.S. but I started losing weight (not a good thing when you only weigh 95lbs) and my heart condition was aggravated.  I went to the doctor and she told me, oddly enough, that I was lacking saturated fat and salt in my diet and I needed to get back on the meat immediately.  I never expected for any doctor to promote McD's, but it truly happened to me. 

I am a pet owner, so the ethical aspect of it really gets to me.  Since I have been told that I pretty much had to eat meat, I have made an effort to buy organic meats from companies not known for animal cruelty.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on February 25, 2005, 10:25:17 PM
Ladies...stop talking to gay men!! If you have a boyfriend that has had sex with another man please stop f-ing with him!
   

HIV Infection Rate Among Blacks Doubles

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By JEFF DONN, Associated Press Writer

BOSTON - The HIV (news - web sites) infection rate has doubled among blacks in the United States over a decade while holding steady among whites — stark evidence of a widening racial gap in the epidemic, government scientists said Friday.

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Other troubling statistics indicate that almost half of all infected people in the United States who should be receiving HIV drugs are not getting them.


The findings were released in Boston at the 12th Annual Retrovirus Conference, the world's chief scientific gathering on the disease.


"It's incredibly disappointing," said Terje Anderson, director of the National Association of People With AIDS (news - web sites). "We just have a burgeoning epidemic in the African American community that is not being dealt with effectively."


Researchers and AIDS prevention advocates attributed the high rate among blacks to such factors as drug addiction, poverty and poor access to health care.


The HIV rates were derived from the widely used National Health and Nutrition Examinations Surveys, which analyze a representative sample of U.S. households and contain the most complete HIV data in the country. Researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites) compared 1988-1994 data with figures from 1999-2002.


The surveys look only at young and middle-aged adults who live in households, excluding such groups as soldiers, prisoners and homeless. Thus, health officials believe the numbers probably underestimate true HIV rates in this country.


Still, they show a striking rise in the prevalence of the AIDS virus from 1 percent to 2 percent of blacks. White rates held steady at 0.2 percent. Largely because of the increase among blacks, the overall U.S. rate rose slightly from 0.3 percent to 0.4 percent.


Smaller studies had shown rising infection rates among blacks in recent years, but this study takes a longer and more complete look at changes in the general population.


"I think it's very concerning," said Dr. Susan Buchbinder, who leads HIV research for the city of San Francisco. "I think what we need to look at is how we can reduce those rates and get more people into treatment."


She recommended a stronger focus on treating drug addiction.


The lead CDC researcher, Geraldine McQuillan, said she was encouraged to see the HIV rate among younger blacks holding steady at just under 1.5 percent.


"It tells me we're making some headway," she said.


Other national data and published reports studied by the CDC showed that 480,000 HIV-infected people ages 15 to 49 should have been getting antiviral drugs in 2003, yet only 268,000, or 56 percent, were given such medication.


Researcher Eyasu Teshale of the CDC said the gap represents "a substantial unmet health care need."


Treatment is widely viewed as a central component in prevention. Powerful AIDS drugs that came into wide use in the mid-1990s can knock down levels of the virus in the body, reducing the chances that the patient will infect others.


Nearly 1 million people in the United States have contracted the AIDS virus since the outbreak began in the early 1980s. About 40,000 people test positive each year, and more than 18,000 die. However, U.S. infections have remained fairly level in recent years with the use of powerful HIV drugs.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 26, 2005, 07:59:20 AM
HBCU-Thanks for the article

Yeah, I really don't like the way animals are treated, but I do wear leather  :-[ :-\, my diet is actually pretty particular to me, that's why I say semi-vegan: no pork, red meat, poultry, and I do not cook with these items or dairy, but when I go out I do eat fish sometimes and I do not always check to make sure items are vegan. I don't slight anyone who eats meat, but I was eating a chicken wing once and I really almost vomited, the veins and all that other stuff in it made me so sick! And if you read or watch a tv special that shows you the conditions in which the meat you eat is raised, and what they pump into those animals, it's just gross, IMO.

Can I ask this ladies (and men I suppose): why is it just b/c a dude buys you dinner, he thinks he can @#!*?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: pale_blue_sun on February 27, 2005, 10:18:55 PM
I'm a vegetarian too, for both health and ethical reasons.  I can't do the vegan thing yet, although to me, eating eggs seems like eating an abortion..  :-\

I don't wear leather if I can avoid it.

Aren't the eggs that we eat (the ones you buy at the grocery store anyway) unfertilized eggs? 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 28, 2005, 09:43:43 AM
blech.  that's the perfect thing to read in the morning.  i'll be sick for the rest of the day.

actually, this falls as perfect motivation for my project--  i'm not a vegan or a catholic but for march i will be both-- for the rest of the time that's left of lent i'm going to be a vegan.  ugh...  i want to puke just thinking of that visual your story left in my mind, mobell. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 28, 2005, 12:17:25 PM
Off topic: WHO WROTE THIS ON MY BLOG?!   :o >:( :(



If you want to criticize me then fine, but don't do it anonymously b/c you look like a coward in my eyes. If anyone has the audacity to judge me in such detail (b/c apparently you know me so well), then you should have dropped a PM. This fakeness has to stop. Obviously this individual has issues with me or else they would not have taken this precious time to write an thesis on every thing wrong with Regal.

This message was posted last week but every time I read it, I become incredibly irked. I'm guessing it's a female, because I guy wouldn't take the time out to write this. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with constructive criticism, but how can anyone of us pass judgment on another individual based on an interaction over the net? That makes no sense to me. Heck I didn’t even think people took comments so seriously.  Nevertheless I don’t expect the individual in question to confess on the board, so please feel free to PM me so we can chit chat.


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okay, this does not relate to the current post but i had to come here to say this to you. I've seen you on LSD, I've also seen your homepage on blackplanet. You have the audacity to say that your mother says that if people are talking about you then something is right. generally true - but here's a thought - maybe you need to try some introspection and determine whether or not you are right...or just "stuck on self". I have to say that when I first saw your website I was impressed that such a young person could have their head on so straight. I'm still impressed. But alas my friend, you have allowed this to come at the expense of character. You are conceited and have no regard for the feelings of others. All you really care about is yourself - clearly. And clearly when your parents were attempting to instill self-esteem they instilled a bit more. Think of this muse, if you are the Christian that you call yourself who wants only what God has in store for them, then ask yourself what God would say if he could comment on your behavior towards others. Take a little bite of humble pie my friend, I would love to hear that years from now you have gotten everything that you worked for but how sad if you ever fall from grace. God has called us to operate in a manner that glorifies him at all times - at least those of us who call ourselves Christian. Let me pause here to say I am christian, not at all doing all that is right and all that I should. But I try to be very cautious not to be self-righteous. "Judge not lest ye be judged." But I have to call you out and ask you if you think your behavior is consistent with that of a child/representative of God. And though it is difficult to interpret tone on a website, the thing speaks for itself when most everyone finds you hostile, aggressive, derogatory, conceited etc. And it has nothing to do with being a strong black woman. Before ANYTHING ELSE, you are supposed to be a child of God. So if you have not yet grown up and need time to still act so "small" even though you claim to be "big", then certainly continue your attitude. Otherwise - consider thyself. Take a good look in the mirror. Ask yourself what is it that others see and is it legitimate or just hateration. You can still do your thing without forcing it down the throats of others. And though you should not define yourself based on the perceptions of others, you should certainly use the perception of others to improve. You are beautiful, intelligent, and going somewhere. Do it with a little bit of class. Note: class is not spelt Banana Republic, trips to Africa, Europe, perfect skin, law school acceptances etc. -that spells priveleged. That's what you are - priveleged. but note well, God giveth and He taketh away. Be prepared to see what you would do in the face of all the things you swear would never happen to you - just in case God presents you with a test!

Now bring on your hostile, less than ladylike remarks, Sister. I love you with the love of Christ!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 28, 2005, 02:56:47 PM
I was wondering ladies: in the wake of Diary of an Angry Black Woman being the top grossing film this weekend, do you think this movie is about black male bashing as some people have purported, or do you believe it is reality and it is about time black women stop being afraid of speaking out?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 28, 2005, 03:00:31 PM
I was wondering ladies: in the wake of Diary of an Angry Black Woman being the top grossing film this weekend, do you think this movie is about black male bashing as some people have purported, or do you believe it is reality and it is about time black women stop being afraid of speaking out?

I'll respond to this tomorrow.. I'm going to see it later on this evening
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 28, 2005, 03:37:35 PM
Hey I didn't write it....someone else did. Nice to know it wasn't you mob LOL.  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 28, 2005, 04:08:20 PM
LOL@ the obesity debate.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 28, 2005, 04:14:04 PM
I chose poor but attractive. Hell, that's what I am right now...  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 28, 2005, 06:29:01 PM
women (and men), what's the worst way you've been broken up with?  what is the worst way some bastard coward let you have it?

please do respond.  this isn't a pity party, but i just want to know that i was not the only one blinded by the charms of some jackass who wasn't worth my time.  2 years and this fukcer breaks up with me over the messenger...  yeah, he might have been hasty.  he mighta been talking out of his ass.  and tonight i'm expecting a call that i WILL NOT answer, but that does not justify cutting me loose over a stupid AIM chat.  how dare he?

it's his loss.  tonight i'll be out on the prowl and getting my groove on with my cousin and the crew.  we'll see if i'm sitting at home sulking waiting for him to call me.   

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 28, 2005, 06:33:01 PM
You got dumped over instant messager...Damn that sucks. That's like Carrie getting dumped with a post it.  :P

Ugh yeah, sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 28, 2005, 06:40:39 PM
You got dumped over instant messager...Damn that sucks. That's like Carrie getting dumped with a post it.  :P

Ugh yeah, sorry to hear that.


that is exactly the thought running through my mind.  wtf?  burger sucked for that post-it stunt, and this jackass sucks too.

2 years.  you heard me ranting about how i was whooped or whatever.  i'll be glad to kick him square in the eye when his ass comes crawling back.   bc that's how they do it.  my goodness!  i need a tranquilizer.  i'm so pissed.  thank god for alcohol.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 28, 2005, 06:42:13 PM
women (and men), what's the worst way you've been broken up with?  what is the worst way some bastard coward let you have it?

please do respond.  this isn't a pity party, but i just want to know that i was not the only one blinded by the charms of some jackass who wasn't worth my time.  2 years and this fukcer breaks up with me over the messenger...  yeah, he might have been hasty.  he mighta been talking out of his ass.  and tonight i'm expecting a call that i WILL NOT answer, but that does not justify cutting me loose over a stupid AIM chat.  how dare he?

it's his loss.  tonight i'll be out on the prowl and getting my groove on with my cousin and the crew.  we'll see if i'm sitting at home sulking waiting for him to call me.   

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Whoa..the guy you've been talking about all this time broke up with you?? What happened for this to occur out of the blue?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 28, 2005, 06:44:36 PM
WTF?? This is the dude you been going on and on about? What a fucker. That's just a really screwed up way to end a 2 year relationship. I don't have a worst way that I've been dumped, it's only happened twice in my life (both fuckers wanted me back btw) and both times it was a face to face talk not some cowardly AIM. You deserved at least a phone call (since he's overseas). And I'm sorry to be all up in your business but since you posted it  ;) wtf did he have to say for himself. Bastard.

Oh, but I did it over an answering machine before. But before you blast me, I was trying to have a convo with the fucker and he blew me off. So I called back, he didn't answer, i left the message, but he had already bounced, so when he got home later his dad had to tell him i dumped his ass. The worst part about it is I ran into him a few years later and didn't even recognize him, he had to remind me who he was and that we dated  :-[, but he was cool with it.... I think  :-\?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 28, 2005, 06:45:21 PM
I'm going to sound like a complete butthole for saying this but since folks already think that about me, I'm going to say it anyway.

Seu, your man, chocolate, or ex-man (whatever you want to call him) is a piece of garbage for dumping you over messenger, especially after two years of being together . That's the ultimate form of disrespect and downright pathetic if you ask me. No real man would do that to a woman he respected. Not that I think very highly of you or anything, but you are better off without brother-man. Even the meanest broads out there deserve the decency of a phone call. IMO break ups should be done in person because the phone or even MESSANGER is a cowardly attempt to get out of a situation.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on February 28, 2005, 06:47:38 PM

Whoa..the guy you've been talking about all this time broke up with you?? What happened for this to occur out of the blue?

New booty. That has to be it. Dudes don't drop booty for no booty. He has a replacement booty already lined-up.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 28, 2005, 06:49:46 PM
can you believe this fucker?  oh i'm so mad!!

issues.  little *&^%.  we share a bank acct. and the fucker keeps lending out money.  it's not like $100 bucks, it's like G's at a time.  wtf?  i don't care about lending the money, but now he's saying that people are going to pay us back by hinm giving out our acct info so they can deposit.  wtf?!?!

i had something to say about that, and he's like 'well we should get separate accts.'  i told him i didn't want one unless we were breaking up and he said 'well that sounds like a good idea to me.'

i tried telling him he was being an idiot for dumping me over something like that.  he ginored me the rest of the afternoon.  then at least said 'bye' before leaving his office.  but still!!!  i know he's gonna try calling me and crawling me back, but daymn!!!  i'm worth so much more than a damned messenger- breakup.

wtf?  why are men so retarded?  if i had bisexual tendencies, i'd be a lesbian right about now!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 28, 2005, 06:54:03 PM
LOL, ladyday at your answering machine story. 

i'm so pissed. the adrenaline in me is crazy.  i doubt i've been this pissed in years.  all i can do is laugh and look forward to tonight.

i hope i find me another hot man-- an italian this time.  it's about time for another one anyway.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 28, 2005, 06:54:46 PM
EH...you are better off without him.


Lets not go there about all men...make better choices next time. View this as a learning experience and don't make the same mistake by getting with another candy-a$$...

Man over messenger? Geez.  ???
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 28, 2005, 06:55:37 PM
can you believe this fucker?  oh i'm so mad!!

issues.  little sh*t.  we share a bank acct. and the fucker keeps lending out money.  it's not like $100 bucks, it's like G's at a time.  wtf?  i don't care about lending the money, but now he's saying that people are going to pay us back by hinm giving out our acct info so they can deposit.  wtf?!?!

i had something to say about that, and he's like 'well we should get separate accts.'  i told him i didn't want one unless we were breaking up and he said 'well that sounds like a good idea to me.'

i tried telling him he was being an idiot for dumping me over something like that.  he ginored me the rest of the afternoon.  then at least said 'bye' before leaving his office.  but still!!!  i know he's gonna try calling me and crawling me back, but daymn!!!  i'm worth so much more than a damned messenger- breakup.

wtf?  why are men so retarded?  if i had bisexual tendencies, i'd be a lesbian right about now!

Um..why would you get a joint account with someone that you aren't married to? I hope that you didn't have all of your financial resources in that account with him

Secondly..if you're in love to the capacity that you said that you were.. how can you bounce back so quick and start dating immediately after this breakup?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 28, 2005, 06:57:08 PM
can you believe this fucker?  oh i'm so mad!!

issues.  little *&^%.  we share a bank acct. and the fucker keeps lending out money.  it's not like $100 bucks, it's like G's at a time.  wtf?  i don't care about lending the money, but now he's saying that people are going to pay us back by hinm giving out our acct info so they can deposit.  wtf?!?!

i had something to say about that, and he's like 'well we should get separate accts.'  i told him i didn't want one unless we were breaking up and he said 'well that sounds like a good idea to me.'

i tried telling him he was being an idiot for dumping me over something like that.  he ginored me the rest of the afternoon.  then at least said 'bye' before leaving his office.  but still!!!  i know he's gonna try calling me and crawling me back, but daymn!!!  i'm worth so much more than a damned messenger- breakup.

wtf?  why are men so retarded?  if i had bisexual tendencies, i'd be a lesbian right about now!

That's some bull. And I don't blame you for checking his ass on that $$ tip. And I've never understand lending people $$. Like you said, $100 is nothing, but $1000+? @#!* that. If your ass is in a situation so screwed that you need to borrow $1000 from me, that means you ain't got no damn job or your bills are so screwed up you owe everybody, I ain't trying to be one of those people either. If you ain't got no job, how the hell u gonna give me my money back?!?!  :(

See, but take this as a lesson learned. You NEVA EVA EVA NEVA EVA get a joint bank about with your SO unless your married and protected by law. Just don't do it. And even when you get married, if you both work, you should have a joint account along with separate accounts.

But ultimately, the million dollar question is: Will you take him back?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 28, 2005, 07:02:57 PM
Seu, we're not exactly buddies on here, but please for all of womankind, don't take this knuckle head back....Him dumped you over the internet. That goes to show you his level of respect. Your boy has none. Move on. This is probably a sign from God that you need to end the relationship anyway. There are probably better fish at Rutgers next year. Enjoy being single. It isn't that bad.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 28, 2005, 07:16:49 PM
i was washing my hair so couldn't respond quick enough.

i won't start dating.  but talking to someone and feeling like i AM all that will help me feel like this doof really did lose out.  i didn't shave my legs just now, so that should tell you what i'm thinking.

i love that jackass, but this is unheard of.  who dumps who on the messenger?  even if it was a fluke, which i know this BS is, that's just a crock of darn.

oh man, i can't wait to make him feel like he's sitting on some fire when he calls and calls and i refuse to answer.  this idiot thinks i'll be sitting at home sulking.  riiiight...

ugh.  i was hoping to either be married or SINGLE by the fall.  guess this takes care of this.  this is so unlike him though.  i know the distance and the time apart is factoring into his rationale, but still, muffucka ain't got no right to blow me off like that!

i'm changing the locks.  and since he told me to take my money and get another count, i'm wiping that sh*t clean as soon as he gets paid this week.  don't fret ladies, i won this war.




Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on February 28, 2005, 07:21:05 PM
i was washing my hair so couldn't respond quick enough.

i won't start dating.  but talking to someone and feeling like i AM all that will help me feel like this doof really did lose out.  i didn't shave my legs just now, so that should tell you what i'm thinking.

i love that jackass, but this is unheard of.  who dumps who on the messenger?  even if it was a fluke, which i know this BS is, that's just a crock of darn.

oh man, i can't wait to make him feel like he's sitting on some fire when he calls and calls and i refuse to answer.  this idiot thinks i'll be sitting at home sulking.  riiiight...

ugh.  i was hoping to either be married or SINGLE by the fall.  guess this takes care of this.  this is so unlike him though.  i know the distance and the time apart is factoring into his rationale, but still, muffucka ain't got no right to blow me off like that!

i'm changing the locks.  and since he told me to take my money and get another count, i'm wiping that sh*t clean as soon as he gets paid this week.  don't fret ladies, i won this war.






It's definitely insensitive for him to break up with you over messenger though..I've never heard of anything like that before..

Distance is a b*tch but don't make excuses for his actions... my SO is damn near 2000 miles away and this kind of nonsense would never go down with us...It just seems like he has no respect for you.. how could he  take your money? Joint account or not..he could have asked you..or informed you of what was going on..Sorry to say..the relationship is over..

There's no respect or trust
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on February 28, 2005, 07:23:05 PM
Seu, we're not exactly buddies on here, but please for all of womankind, don't take this knuckle head back....Him dumped you over the internet. That goes to show you his level of respect. Your boy has none. Move on. This is probably a sign from God that you need to end the relationship anyway. There are probably better fish at Rutgers next year. Enjoy being single. It isn't that bad.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on February 28, 2005, 07:33:15 PM
The money issue is something else that's bothering me. He should have asked you before loaning money that belonged to the both of you out! Man...you are better off single. Him breaking up with you just means the next best thing is coming along. That's my belief anyway.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on February 28, 2005, 07:35:49 PM
can you believe this fucker?  oh i'm so mad!!

issues.  little sh*t.  we share a bank acct. and the fucker keeps lending out money.  it's not like $100 bucks, it's like G's at a time.  wtf?  i don't care about lending the money, but now he's saying that people are going to pay us back by hinm giving out our acct info so they can deposit.  wtf?!?!

i had something to say about that, and he's like 'well we should get separate accts.'  i told him i didn't want one unless we were breaking up and he said 'well that sounds like a good idea to me.'

i tried telling him he was being an idiot for dumping me over something like that.  he ginored me the rest of the afternoon.  then at least said 'bye' before leaving his office.  but still!!!  i know he's gonna try calling me and crawling me back, but daymn!!!  i'm worth so much more than a damned messenger- breakup.

wtf?  why are men so retarded?  if i had bisexual tendencies, i'd be a lesbian right about now!

Hmm. This actually sounds a little strange. People who've been in a relationship for that long are usually past this small stuff ... I hate to say it, but do you think it might be something (or someone) else, and he's just using this as an excuse? That having been said, don't do anything crazy that you might regret later. I know the first thing I'd want to do in your situation would be get hella drunk and perhaps go clubbing with some guy-pals, but how are you going to feel if this was just a mistake on his part? Granted, a big mistake, but a mistake nonetheless, one which you just might be convinced to overlook.

I suggest a workout. A good, long workout. Trust me, it works wonders for angst.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on February 28, 2005, 07:45:59 PM
oh we've had money issues from day one.  it's the money BS.  he didn't have a job when i met him so things were always tight.  i finally shaped him up and now that he's making mad cash he acts like money comes and goes.  so annoying.  yeah, i learned my lesson.  never will i get a joint account.  that thing has been a headache from day one.

i doubt his ass would be that much of an a-hole to be have someone else on the side.  he was as whooped as i was but the money issues are what have wedged between us.

so you females would have rasied hell if your SO was lending out money or doing anything to your joint acct. without conferring with you first?  i most definitely got upset, but he made me feel like i was being a jerk for doing so.  so petty.

i'm so upset.  at first i wanted to cry and puke but talking to someone else, that feeling went away.  anyway, i have not eaten anything but a protein bar all day.  i'm so disgusted right now.  i can't believe how far under my skin he got.  i got home from work and started tearing stuff off the walls.  i don't want to see him again.

nope, no sex for me.  i'm on my way to a nunnery.  or downtown.

thanks for the words, women, or for that one word, lexington.  every single one of you.  even you RM.



Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 28, 2005, 09:35:50 PM
No problem Seu. I hope you feel better. Breaking up is always a female dog but sometimes its for the best. Obviously your on a path that can lead to a great future, and he's not supposed a part of that, he could have maybe potentially held you back. Feel better and cheer up.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: pale_blue_sun on February 28, 2005, 09:37:05 PM
seu, as hard as it may be to see this right now, there is a bright side to this.  Imagine what would've happened if you actually married this guy!  Can you imagine what your life would have been like then?  What if you had children w/ him?  Breaking up w/ you over the net is not something a man w/ class would do.  I think you're lucky that you got a chance to see his "dark" side now as opposed to later.  I'm sorry this happened to you though.  It must hurt like hell.  But like I said, you are all the better for it.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on February 28, 2005, 09:37:57 PM
Ok in a cheap attempt to change subjects  :-\

This is one of the many reasons why I don't eat meat (and those who make comments about the fruits and veggies on the list--that's why I eat organic  ;))

The Dirty 10:

1. Chicken
In one study cited by Men's Health, more than 40 percent of chicken samples contained bacteria that can sicken, including E. coli.

2. Ground Beef
Simply because of the way ground beef is made through heavy processing, it has the potential to be loaded with deadly E. coli bacteria and more.

3. Ground Turkey
One in four packages of ground turkey tested by Men's Health contained bacteria. This becomes a greater concern as more people substitute ground turkey for ground beef thinking it's a healthier alternative.

4. Oysters
Beware of raw oysters! Many are tainted not only with bacteria, but also the Norovirus.

5. Eggs
The incredible edible egg is also associated with more than 600,000 cases of food poisoning each year and more than 300 deaths. Cook eggs completely and never eat them raw.

6. Cantaloupe
Cantaloupe rinds often contain dangerous bacteria that are hard to wash away. Cut through that rind with a knife and the bacteria can be transferred to the fruit.

7. Peaches
This favorite juicy summer fruit is dangerous because the peach fuzz makes it difficult to clean off all the pesticides.

8. Pre-Packaged Tossed Salads
These bagged salads are one of the greatest conveniences of the past decade, but they can also be one of the biggest sources of food poisoning since the contents are often contaminated with E. Coli, according to Men's Health.

9. Cold Cuts
It looks like delicious shaved ham or turkey to you. But it could contain the dangerous bacteria Listeria, which is especially risky for infants and the elderly. Listeria can be spread by the deli slicer, and it can even grow in a cold refrigerator. What can you do? Experts advise you to transfer the deli meat to a fresh package when you get home and only buy enough for one week at a time.

10. Scallions
If these green onions are left uncooked, they have the potential to become bacterial breeding grounds. They've also been linked to fatal outbreaks of Hepatitis-A.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: A.J on February 28, 2005, 11:33:32 PM
Poor obese and incredibly attractive
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 01, 2005, 09:09:11 AM
Seu, we're not exactly buddies on here, but please for all of womankind, don't take this knuckle head back....Him dumped you over the internet. That goes to show you his level of respect. Your boy has none. Move on. This is probably a sign from God that you need to end the relationship anyway. There are probably better fish at Rutgers next year. Enjoy being single. It isn't that bad.

Agreed.

Seu, don't listen to these women up in here.  Women are the first to be like, "leave him girl", "don't take him back over that sh*t"...but when something happens to their relationship they're like, "what he did was messed up, but Imma try to work it out, we have so much invested in this"...

Listen, I'm not going to B.S you by saying that what he did wasn't f*cked up, but in the whole scheme of things it looks like the cat felt like flexing his muscles a little bit and ended up doing some lame sh*t.  How much could you have really loved dude if you can't keep an open mind and see if you guys can work it out?
My 2 pennies (keep the change)
BP
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 09:13:33 AM
Seu, we're not exactly buddies on here, but please for all of womankind, don't take this knuckle head back....Him dumped you over the internet. That goes to show you his level of respect. Your boy has none. Move on. This is probably a sign from God that you need to end the relationship anyway. There are probably better fish at Rutgers next year. Enjoy being single. It isn't that bad.

Agreed.

Seu, don't listen to these women up in here.  Women are the first to be like, "leave him girl", "don't take him back over that sh*t"...but when something happens to their relationship they're like, "what he did was messed up, but Imma try to work it out, we have so much invested in this"...

Listen, I'm not going to B.S you by saying that what he did wasn't f*cked up, but in the whole scheme of things it looks like the cat felt like flexing his muscles a little bit and ended up doing some lame sh*t.  How much could you have really loved dude if you can't keep an open mind and see if you guys can work it out?
My 2 pennies (keep the change)
BP

Agreed.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on March 01, 2005, 09:23:18 AM
Seu:

Hopefully you've had a good morning, and have rested somewhat after the ordeal of yesterday. I have to echo Lexi's comments here: it sounds like you two have been through a lot in life, and ... well ... you're both breaking over something really, really petty. It's a mistake he'll realize, soon, for sure; in the meanwhile, keep your chin up!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 09:30:54 AM
Seu:

Hopefully you've had a good morning, and have rested somewhat after the ordeal of yesterday. I have to echo Lexi's comments here: it sounds like you two have been through a lot in life, and ... well ... you're both breaking over something really, really petty. It's a mistake he'll realize, soon, for sure; in the meanwhile, keep your chin up!

did you get held at Harvard? (off-topic I know)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on March 01, 2005, 09:35:51 AM
did you get held at Harvard? (off-topic I know)

Yup, and sent in the withdrawl letter yesterday. I would have felt bad going through the effort of sending them stuff just for the sake of being able to say I'd gotten accepted to Hah-vahrd.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 09:36:57 AM
did you get held at Harvard? (off-topic I know)

Yup, and sent in the withdrawl letter yesterday. I would have felt bad going through the effort of sending them stuff just for the sake of being able to say I'd gotten accepted to Hah-vahrd.

So it's Stanford for you, no? Unless you managed Yale?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on March 01, 2005, 09:47:09 AM
So it's Stanford for you, no? Unless you managed Yale?

Yeah, the my love for S trumps all others ... I'm almost hoping for a rejection from Yale so that I don't have to make that painful decision. You? Still trying to remain undecided? Have you bought your Stanford tixs yet?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 10:00:35 AM
So it's Stanford for you, no? Unless you managed Yale?

Yeah, the my love for S trumps all others ... I'm almost hoping for a rejection from Yale so that I don't have to make that painful decision. You? Still trying to remain undecided? Have you bought your Stanford tixs yet?

I'm going to buy my tix in a few days.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 01, 2005, 11:06:27 AM
i applied to stanford at the end of january and just got my complete notice. i'm pretty sure i wasted my money, but i'm wondering, is it really like a country club?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 11:12:40 AM
i applied to stanford at the end of january and just got my complete notice. i'm pretty sure i wasted my money, but i'm wondering, is it really like a country club?

I'll tell you in a month.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 11:35:30 AM
Seu, we're not exactly buddies on here, but please for all of womankind, don't take this knuckle head back....Him dumped you over the internet. That goes to show you his level of respect. Your boy has none. Move on. This is probably a sign from God that you need to end the relationship anyway. There are probably better fish at Rutgers next year. Enjoy being single. It isn't that bad.

Agreed.

Seu, don't listen to these women up in here.  Women are the first to be like, "leave him girl", "don't take him back over that sh*t"...but when something happens to their relationship they're like, "what he did was messed up, but Imma try to work it out, we have so much invested in this"...

Listen, I'm not going to B.S you by saying that what he did wasn't f*cked up, but in the whole scheme of things it looks like the cat felt like flexing his muscles a little bit and ended up doing some lame sh*t.  How much could you have really loved dude if you can't keep an open mind and see if you guys can work it out?
My 2 pennies (keep the change)
BP

The way that he broke up was trifling...but it's the fact that he went behind her back and basically Stole her money to loan it to someone else...  That's dishonest. He didn't have enough trust to come to her and ask her beforehand whether or not he could withdraw that kind of money from their joint account..

So how can she trust him now??
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 01, 2005, 11:39:31 AM
Seu, we're not exactly buddies on here, but please for all of womankind, don't take this knuckle head back....Him dumped you over the internet. That goes to show you his level of respect. Your boy has none. Move on. This is probably a sign from God that you need to end the relationship anyway. There are probably better fish at Rutgers next year. Enjoy being single. It isn't that bad.

Agreed.

Seu, don't listen to these women up in here.  Women are the first to be like, "leave him girl", "don't take him back over that sh*t"...but when something happens to their relationship they're like, "what he did was messed up, but Imma try to work it out, we have so much invested in this"...

Listen, I'm not going to B.S you by saying that what he did wasn't f*cked up, but in the whole scheme of things it looks like the cat felt like flexing his muscles a little bit and ended up doing some lame sh*t.  How much could you have really loved dude if you can't keep an open mind and see if you guys can work it out?
My 2 pennies (keep the change)
BP

The way that he broke up was trifling...but it's the fact that he went behind her back and basically Stole her money to loan it to someone else...  That's dishonest. He didn't have enough trust to come to her and ask her beforehand whether or not he could withdraw that kind of money from their joint account..

So how can she trust him now??

I think he did ask her beforehand....we might need to get this cleared up though..
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on March 01, 2005, 11:42:28 AM
wait...is that all a "hold" means?  you send them extra stuff and you're automatically in?

Well, not exactly. But it does mean that if you don't send them anything you're pretty much asking for a rejection. If you sent them an "I love Harvard" essay, an extra LOR and your first born, they could still reject or waitlist you, though. I'm lazy, so I figured it was just easier to withdraw.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 01, 2005, 11:45:55 AM
he didn't ask.  he just took it.  and the same goes for the other thousands of dollars floating around out there.  he would just do it, but give me the head's up before it registered online.

anyway, this morning he apologized.  then he took the apology back.  he's such a coward.  to top it off, he's telling me that he can't trust me.  wtf?  i keep no male acquaintances close to avoid jealous drama.  i've been so faithful.  i gave him complete control of the finances.  i stopped drinking and misbehaving.  i'm definitely a better person.  he hasn't explained the trust thing to me.  i'm still confused.  very upset.  but i have not cried and i refuse to.  i never thought he would stoop this low. 

i know it's the distance that's doing this to him.  more than anything, i think it's the fact that i got into law school.  ever since i got my first acceptance, he's been ridiculous, overreacting about any little thing.  i think LS's freaked him out.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 11:48:04 AM
he didn't ask.  he just took it.  and the same goes for the other thousands of dollars floating around out there.  he would just do it, but give me the head's up before it registered online.

anyway, this morning he apologized.  then he took the apology back.  he's such a coward.  to top it off, he's telling me that he can't trust me.  wtf?  i keep no male acquaintances close to avoid jealous drama.  i've been so faithful.  i gave him complete control of the finances.  i stopped drinking and misbehaving.  i'm definitely a better person.  he hasn't explained the trust thing to me.  i'm still confused.  very upset.  but i have not cried and i refuse to.  i never thought he would stoop this low. 

i know it's the distance that's doing this to him.  more than anything, i think it's the fact that i got into law school.  ever since i got my first acceptance, he's been ridiculous, overreacting about any little thing.  i think LS's freaked him out.

Nothing wrong with crying, if you feel that it's something that you need to do.. I figured that he didn't ask because of the way that you explained the situation...

Does he feel insecure in some ways because of the fact that you're going to law school? Do you think that in some ways he has an inferiority complex..
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 01, 2005, 11:52:45 AM
he didn't ask.  he just took it.  and the same goes for the other thousands of dollars floating around out there.  he would just do it, but give me the head's up before it registered online.

anyway, this morning he apologized.  then he took the apology back.  he's such a coward.  to top it off, he's telling me that he can't trust me.  wtf?  i keep no male acquaintances close to avoid jealous drama.  i've been so faithful.  i gave him complete control of the finances.  i stopped drinking and misbehaving.  i'm definitely a better person.  he hasn't explained the trust thing to me.  i'm still confused.  very upset.  but i have not cried and i refuse to.  i never thought he would stoop this low. 

i know it's the distance that's doing this to him.  more than anything, i think it's the fact that i got into law school.  ever since i got my first acceptance, he's been ridiculous, overreacting about any little thing.  i think LS's freaked him out.

Nothing wrong with crying, if you feel that it's something that you need to do.. I figured that he didn't ask because of the way that you explained the situation...

Does he feel insecure in some ways because of the fact that you're going to law school? Do you think that in some ways he has an inferiority complex..

I think he does.  I don't want to be mean.  I know he's proud of what he's done.  I am too.  His job rocks.  But he's 28 and a college drop out.  He was planning on going to LS with me to support me, and once I was done, he would go to medical school and I would support him.  I coaxed him back to try to finish his undergrad, but he quit.  I don't know why.  Now that LS has come into the pic, he's acting up.

He was actually planning the dates for us to be married a couple of weeks before I got my acceptance.  Then things went downhill.  He's been picking fights with me.  He's been acting up.  I don't understand.  I don't flaunt anything, nor do I even talk about it bc it's not that big a deal to me until the fall.

I don't understand, but the more I think of it, the more this makes sense.  That's the only explanation I can think of.

My tears do not exist.  He's hurt me too much for me to cry.  I cannot even force myself to it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 01, 2005, 11:54:49 AM
Daymn this is definitely alot more complicated than first glance...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 11:56:08 AM
I have a question of curiosity..please don't take offense from it because that isn't my intention.. What's his opinion of black women (dating etc).. does he seem to have a problem with black women that are more successful than he is?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 11:56:50 AM
Daymn this is definitely alot more complicated than first glance...

Indeed.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 01, 2005, 11:58:50 AM
I have a question of curiosity..please don't take offense from it because that isn't my intention.. What's his opinion of black women (dating etc).. does he seem to have a problem with black women that are more successful than he is?

no offense.  ask what you'd like.  i don't know what his opinion of black women who are more successful that him would be.  he adores all the black women in his family.  he's dated black women, but i doubt it was anyone successful.  he says that everyone he's dated had no direction or ambition.  i did, so he liked me.  but i guess it was too much.

why do you ask?  pleae tell me.  it might help me figure this out.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 12:03:47 PM
I have a question of curiosity..please don't take offense from it because that isn't my intention.. What's his opinion of black women (dating etc).. does he seem to have a problem with black women that are more successful than he is?

no offense.  ask what you'd like.  i don't know what his opinion of black women who are more successful that him would be.  he adores all the black women in his family.  he's dated black women, but i doubt it was anyone successful.  he says that everyone he's dated had no direction or ambition.  i did, so he liked me.  but i guess it was too much.

why do you ask?  pleae tell me.  it might help me figure this out.

I think that he likes being in a position of power. Right now you're working for immigration law. He's working overseas...He doesn't see your BA as a threat to him. As soon as you're matriculating towards a JD degree- you'll surpass him he feels. Now this is speculation mind you.. But it just seems that since you're career minded, you aren't trying to settle for a paralegal job for the rest of your life, in some way he feels it's a threat to his manhood. He may feel that he won't be bringing as much to the table as you are.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: maricutie on March 01, 2005, 12:06:45 PM
I think he does.  I don't want to be mean.  I know he's proud of what he's done.  I am too.  His job rocks.  But he's 28 and a college drop out.  He was planning on going to LS with me to support me, and once I was done, he would go to medical school and I would support him.  I coaxed him back to try to finish his undergrad, but he quit.  I don't know why.  Now that LS has come into the pic, he's acting up.

He was actually planning the dates for us to be married a couple of weeks before I got my acceptance.  Then things went downhill.  He's been picking fights with me.  He's been acting up.  I don't understand.  I don't flaunt anything, nor do I even talk about it bc it's not that big a deal to me until the fall.

I don't understand, but the more I think of it, the more this makes sense.  That's the only explanation I can think of.

My tears do not exist.  He's hurt me too much for me to cry.  I cannot even force myself to it.

Ah... this makes so much more sense. I think this might just be the "deeper issue"; most of these little fights, including those about the money, are probably stemming from this.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 01, 2005, 12:11:00 PM
I have a question of curiosity..please don't take offense from it because that isn't my intention.. What's his opinion of black women (dating etc).. does he seem to have a problem with black women that are more successful than he is?

no offense.  ask what you'd like.  i don't know what his opinion of black women who are more successful that him would be.  he adores all the black women in his family.  he's dated black women, but i doubt it was anyone successful.  he says that everyone he's dated had no direction or ambition.  i did, so he liked me.  but i guess it was too much.

why do you ask?  pleae tell me.  it might help me figure this out.

I think that he likes being in a position of power. Right now you're working for immigration law. He's working overseas...He doesn't see your BA as a threat to him. As soon as you're matriculating towards a JD degree- you'll surpass him he feels. Now this is speculation mind you.. But it just seems that since you're career minded, you aren't trying to settle for a paralegal job for the rest of your life, in some way he feels it's a threat to his manhood. He may feel that he won't be bringing as much to the table as you are.


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this makes sense to me.  what a shame.  i wanted to share everything with him.  the more i think of it, the more i attribute all this mess to LS.  oh well.  i'm doing this for me, my future, my family, and to help people.  what a pity that he couldn't accept it and take his share of all the benefits that will come of this.

i know that if i ask him about the power thing, he's going to deny it.  you think that he's subconsciouly acting this way to make himself feel better?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 01, 2005, 12:12:31 PM
seu--i'm sad to hear about the drama goin on. one of my guy friends said something to me about guy's dating women who are going to grad school and they aren't. i said i didn't care if a guy had a b.a. and he said that even if at first they sound like they like the fact that you have educ./going to law school etc., in the end he's going to opt out, b/c a man's ego can't take a woman doing those types of things and leaving him behind so to speak. i don't know if i necessarily agree with that, but i think thats the effect blk_reign was referring to.

i had a situation with a guy who talked all the time about liking me b/c i was smart etc. but after telling him i was going to law school, i haven't heard from him since. it wasn't a relationship, but i felt like telling him, you knew who i was when you met me, you shoulda just been up front then.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 01, 2005, 12:15:27 PM
thanks faith.

do you ladies think this is prevalent in the Black community?  bc it's not in the Hispanic one.  on the contrary, at least over on this side, underachieving men are always looking for a well-off woman to mooch off of.  it's very common, at least on this side of the country.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 12:17:49 PM
seu--i'm sad to hear about the drama goin on. one of my guy friends said something to me about guy's dating women who are going to grad school and they aren't. i said i didn't care if a guy had a b.a. and he said that even if at first they sound like they like the fact that you have educ./going to law school etc., in the end he's going to opt out, b/c a man's ego can't take a woman doing those types of things and leaving him behind so to speak. i don't know if i necessarily agree with that, but i think thats the effect blk_reign was referring to.

i had a situation with a guy who talked all the time about liking me b/c i was smart etc. but after telling him i was going to law school, i haven't heard from him since. it wasn't a relationship, but i felt like telling him, you knew who i was when you met me, you shoulda just been up front then.

That's definitely what I was referring to.. Now I do believe that there are a LOT of supportive men out there.. He just doesn't seem to be one of them.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on March 01, 2005, 12:19:46 PM
How do you guys feel about successful famous black women not really finding a husband? Most of the successful famous black women out there have a hard time finding someone . . . but its not like that for successful famous black men. Whats gives?


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on March 01, 2005, 12:24:14 PM
I have 1 degree. blk_reign has 3. I don't give a @#!*!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 12:25:17 PM
How do you guys feel about successful famous black women not really finding a husband? Most of the successful famous black women out there have a hard time finding someone . . . but its not like that for successful famous black men. Whats gives?




Women like Oprah? I think that some women just may not want to be married. Others I believe wonder whether or not the man is actually in love with her or the financial position that she's in.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 01, 2005, 12:26:12 PM
I have 1 degree. blk_reign has 3. I don't give a #@!*!


lol.  thanks for the much needed laugh.   :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 12:28:05 PM
I have a question of curiosity..please don't take offense from it because that isn't my intention.. What's his opinion of black women (dating etc).. does he seem to have a problem with black women that are more successful than he is?

no offense.  ask what you'd like.  i don't know what his opinion of black women who are more successful that him would be.  he adores all the black women in his family.  he's dated black women, but i doubt it was anyone successful.  he says that everyone he's dated had no direction or ambition.  i did, so he liked me.  but i guess it was too much.

why do you ask?  pleae tell me.  it might help me figure this out.

I think that he likes being in a position of power. Right now you're working for immigration law. He's working overseas...He doesn't see your BA as a threat to him. As soon as you're matriculating towards a JD degree- you'll surpass him he feels. Now this is speculation mind you.. But it just seems that since you're career minded, you aren't trying to settle for a paralegal job for the rest of your life, in some way he feels it's a threat to his manhood. He may feel that he won't be bringing as much to the table as you are.


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this makes sense to me.  what a shame.  i wanted to share everything with him.  the more i think of it, the more i attribute all this mess to LS.  oh well.  i'm doing this for me, my future, my family, and to help people.  what a pity that he couldn't accept it and take his share of all the benefits that will come of this.

i know that if i ask him about the power thing, he's going to deny it.  you think that he's subconsciouly acting this way to make himself feel better?

I think that he is fully aware of what he's doing honestly... How could he not be? Look at the women that he's chosen in his past.. You said that you rebuilt him so to speak right? He's not fully comfortable where he's standing right now... You going to law school seems like a major blow to him.. Just when he gets his life on track, you're moving upward and onward
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 12:30:04 PM
I have 1 degree. blk_reign has 3. I don't give a #@!*!
:D.. you're also quite successful and secure with who you are
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 12:30:41 PM
I wouldn't have a problem being with a chick who was more prestigious than I.  :P
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on March 01, 2005, 12:34:40 PM
I have 1 degree. blk_reign has 3. I don't give a #@!*!
:D.. you're also quite successful and secure with who you are

Well, I graduated from Morehouse so my 1 degree tops all 3 of your f-cking degrees.

School is for fools.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 12:36:39 PM
I have 1 degree. blk_reign has 3. I don't give a #@!*!
:D.. you're also quite successful and secure with who you are

Well, I graduated from Morehouse so my 1 degree tops all 3 of your f-cking degrees.

School is for fools.

whateva  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on March 01, 2005, 12:37:22 PM
How do you guys feel about successful famous black women not really finding a husband? Most of the successful famous black women out there have a hard time finding someone . . . but its not like that for successful famous black men. Whats gives?




Women like Oprah? I think that some women just may not want to be married. Others I believe wonder whether or not the man is actually in love with her or the financial position that she's in.


No, its deeper than that, a cornucopia of famous successful black women just arent satisfied relationship wise but the brothas are getting theirs. Don't just sweep this under the rug.


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 12:38:46 PM
How do you guys feel about successful famous black women not really finding a husband? Most of the successful famous black women out there have a hard time finding someone . . . but its not like that for successful famous black men. Whats gives?




Women like Oprah? I think that some women just may not want to be married. Others I believe wonder whether or not the man is actually in love with her or the financial position that she's in.


No, its deeper than that, a cornucopia of famous successful black women just arent satisfied relationship wise but the brothas are getting theirs. Don't just sweep this under the rug.




What's your opinion?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 01, 2005, 12:39:11 PM
the more i think of this, the more it makes sense.  when we met he was kinda intimidated.  then he got this job and started making way more than i did to the point that he was kinda annoying about it.  i was pretty stagnant.  stuck in this job.  then LS came into the pic and he really did freak out.  these past 6 weeks have been the weirdest ever.  he's been acting like a child.  very capricious.  on a power trip.  the money thing.  stuff that he usually would have taken my opinion on, he's not even conferring to me.  he's out of control.

i'm glad this happened now. 

your insights have really helped.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on March 01, 2005, 12:39:36 PM
I wouldn't have a problem being with a chick who was more prestigious than I.  :P

blk_reign is better than me.  :-\ it's obvious.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 12:40:29 PM
I wouldn't have a problem being with a chick who was more prestigious than I.  :P

blk_reign is better than me.  :-\ it's obvious.

Yup. Very obvious.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 01, 2005, 12:41:21 PM
I wouldn't have a problem being with a chick who was more prestigious than I.  :P

blk_reign is better than me.  :-\ it's obvious.

at least you accept it and flaunt it. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on March 01, 2005, 12:41:29 PM
I wouldn't have a problem being with a chick who was more prestigious than I.  :P

blk_reign is better than me.  :-\ it's obvious.

Yup. Very obvious.

that's ok. she makes me look good. I'm just a country boy. she can do better.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 12:43:07 PM
I wouldn't have a problem being with a chick who was more prestigious than I.  :P

blk_reign is better than me.  :-\ it's obvious.

Yup. Very obvious.

that's ok. she makes me look good. I'm just a country boy. she can do better.

Yup. Me.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 01, 2005, 12:44:44 PM
I wouldn't have a problem being with a chick who was more prestigious than I.  :P

blk_reign is better than me.  :-\ it's obvious.

Yup. Very obvious.

Yup very obvious....I'm waiting for Blk_Reign to trade up.;-)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on March 01, 2005, 12:45:48 PM
I wouldn't have a problem being with a chick who was more prestigious than I.  :P

blk_reign is better than me.  :-\ it's obvious.

Yup. Very obvious.

that's ok. she makes me look good. I'm just a country boy. she can do better.

Yup. Me.

RBG is better.  :(  I..I...I feel so bad right now. :'( RBG is going to take my girl.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 12:46:12 PM
I wouldn't have a problem being with a chick who was more prestigious than I.  :P

blk_reign is better than me.  :-\ it's obvious.

Yup. Very obvious.



that's ok. she makes me look good. I'm just a country boy. she can do better.

the degree isn't a problem..now if you had cornrows/gold teeth and you were an aspiring hip hop artist..then.. ::)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 12:47:19 PM
I wouldn't have a problem being with a chick who was more prestigious than I.  :P

blk_reign is better than me.  :-\ it's obvious.

Yup. Very obvious.

Yup very obvious....I'm waiting for Blk_Reign to trade up.;-)

Come on dude. You might be better than me now, but I'm raw potential. You're like Bernie Williams at 33. I'm Ken Griffey Jr. at 19.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on March 01, 2005, 12:47:47 PM
well, I don't have all the degrees but I did start blsd. perhaps she wants me because of that?  ??? :'( that's got to count for something. I've got internet status.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on March 01, 2005, 12:49:40 PM
How do you guys feel about successful famous black women not really finding a husband? Most of the successful famous black women out there have a hard time finding someone . . . but its not like that for successful famous black men. Whats gives?




Women like Oprah? I think that some women just may not want to be married. Others I believe wonder whether or not the man is actually in love with her or the financial position that she's in.


No, its deeper than that, a cornucopia of famous successful black women just arent satisfied relationship wise but the brothas are getting theirs. Don't just sweep this under the rug.




What's your opinion?

Just something I noticed, and I would the input of the black women of BLSDB to state their opinion. Well others can contribute also. You have your Vivica Foxx . . . you have your Halley Berry . . . you have your Queen Latifah . . . . whats the deal?


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 01, 2005, 12:57:38 PM
Vivica- Poster child for the Mid life crisis
Halle- Can't keep a man to save her life (don't know what the issue is, but there has to be one)
Oprah-Does not want to marry away her money

My opinion.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 01, 2005, 01:01:01 PM
i'm just trippin off of the fact that victor wrote "cornucopia." but, yeah, it seems to be a problem, but i choose to be optimistic about the possibilities. i think that its prevalent in the black community, not necesarily b/c black men have bigger egos, but b/c the gender imbalance in higher ed. is more pronounced. i also think that the latino pop. is hard to generalize in the same way b/c its so diverse.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 01:01:26 PM
How do you guys feel about successful famous black women not really finding a husband? Most of the successful famous black women out there have a hard time finding someone . . . but its not like that for successful famous black men. Whats gives?




Women like Oprah? I think that some women just may not want to be married. Others I believe wonder whether or not the man is actually in love with her or the financial position that she's in.


No, its deeper than that, a cornucopia of famous successful black women just arent satisfied relationship wise but the brothas are getting theirs. Don't just sweep this under the rug.




What's your opinion?

Just something I noticed, and I would the input of the black women of BLSDB to state their opinion. Well others can contribute also. You have your Vivica Foxx . . . you have your Halley Berry . . . you have your Queen Latifah . . . . whats the deal?




They're actresses.. I thought that you were referring to businesswomen as well..

Vivica dated 50...enough said
Halle has some issues (just look at her hit and run)
Queen Latifiah... she says she's involved and keeps her relationships out of the news
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 01, 2005, 01:02:22 PM
How do you guys feel about successful famous black women not really finding a husband? Most of the successful famous black women out there have a hard time finding someone . . . but its not like that for successful famous black men. Whats gives?




Women like Oprah? I think that some women just may not want to be married. Others I believe wonder whether or not the man is actually in love with her or the financial position that she's in.


No, its deeper than that, a cornucopia of famous successful black women just arent satisfied relationship wise but the brothas are getting theirs. Don't just sweep this under the rug.




What's your opinion?

Just something I noticed, and I would the input of the black women of BLSDB to state their opinion. Well others can contribute also. You have your Vivica Foxx . . . you have your Halley Berry . . . you have your Queen Latifah . . . . whats the deal?




They're actresses.. I thought that you were referring to businesswomen as well..

Vivica dated 50...enough said
Halle has some issues (just look at her hit and run)
Queen Latifiah... she says she's involved and keeps her relationships out of the news

You must have read my mind..
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 01:03:29 PM
QL is a lesbian. My guess is she's bangin' Missy Elliot.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 01:04:06 PM
well, I don't have all the degrees but I did start blsd. perhaps she wants me because of that?  ??? :'( that's got to count for something. I've got internet status.

u are nuts
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 01, 2005, 01:05:18 PM
i'm just trippin off of the fact that victor wrote "cornucopia." but, yeah, it seems to be a problem, but i choose to be optimistic about the possibilities. i think that its prevalent in the black community, not necesarily b/c black men have bigger egos, but b/c the gender imbalance in higher ed. is more pronounced. i also think that the latino pop. is hard to generalize in the same way b/c its so diverse.

valid points sis :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: vitaminwater on March 01, 2005, 03:22:45 PM
my theory is that oprah and gail are in love. stedman is just a mustache. :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 01, 2005, 03:29:00 PM
Oprah and Gail are more than friends of you get the idea. I'm not even lying. My aunt is friends with Gail. Oprah is bi-sexual and keeps Stedman around for appearances. No joke.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on March 01, 2005, 03:39:55 PM
would any of the ladies on this board lick oprah's female private part for 1 million dollars?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Xony on March 01, 2005, 03:55:19 PM
yuck
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: vitaminwater on March 01, 2005, 04:05:40 PM
would any of the ladies on this board lick oprah's female private part for 1 million dollars?
maybe to get into my choice of schools yeah. i like raw oysters, i like raw clams, i like uni (sea urchin) . its just a lick....
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 01, 2005, 04:37:46 PM
Wow...that's special. No I wouldn't lick anyone's privates for a million. Would you suck a d*ck or eat another guy's butthole out HBCU for a million bucks?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 01, 2005, 04:42:51 PM
Wow...that's special. No I wouldn't lick anyone's privates for a million. Would you suck a d*ck or eat another guy's butthole out HBCU for a million bucks?

I'm sure he would. Hell, he's done it for free.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: HBCU.EDU on March 01, 2005, 06:03:08 PM
Wow...that's special. No I wouldn't lick anyone's privates for a million. Would you suck a d*ck or eat another guy's butthole out HBCU for a million bucks?

I'm sure he would. Hell, he's done it for free.

you wish.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on March 02, 2005, 12:33:21 AM
my theory is that oprah and gail are in love. stedman is just a mustache. :-\

Who is Gail?

Wow . . . Oprah is bi? I couldnt tell . . . .

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 02, 2005, 10:35:39 AM
i have a ? for the ladies about the guy that i mentioned earlier, who i haven't heard from since applying to law school. since i hadn't heard from him in sucha long time i erased his phone number and pretty much cut off contact. now, i'm headed to the city that he lives in, and my mom is pressing me to call him. i emailed him, but i don't want to do any more than that. i feel like not calling for 3 mos. is sufficient to say that we're not really good friends, but i'm not sure. am i overreacting? should i try harder to get in touch with him while im there?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 02, 2005, 10:40:37 AM
i have a ? for the ladies about the guy that i mentioned earlier, who i haven't heard from since applying to law school. since i hadn't heard from him in sucha long time i erased his phone number and pretty much cut off contact. now, i'm headed to the city that he lives in, and my mom is pressing me to call him. i emailed him, but i don't want to do any more than that. i feel like not calling for 3 mos. is sufficient to say that we're not really good friends, but i'm not sure. am i overreacting? should i try harder to get in touch with him while im there?

I don't think that you should try hard to call him considering the fact that you haven't talked in so long.  The email should be sufficient... if he wants to contact you in lieu of you being in town, he'll know how to reach you, you know?Do you know a lot of people where you're going?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 02, 2005, 11:05:52 AM
i'm going for work. but i do know some other people out there. thanx for the advice. i just don't understand why my mother is always trying to get me to call guys who i was interested in in the past. i guess its just a different mindset. like that girl's avatar that says "i'm becoming the lawyer my mother always wanted me to marry" thats how i feel sometimes.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 02, 2005, 11:10:12 AM
i'm going for work. but i do know some other people out there. thanx for the advice. i just don't understand why my mother is always trying to get me to call guys who i was interested in in the past. i guess its just a different mindset. like that girl's avatar that says "i'm becoming the lawyer my mother always wanted me to marry" thats how i feel sometimes.

I do understand how you feel. Our parents have these ideals of who they want us to be...Sometimes (most times) we have to choose a different path..
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 02, 2005, 01:57:42 PM
Article with Adrienne from ANTM...Bad Mouths Tyra

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Of course we all first heard of you after you won the first season of "America's Next Top Model." Has the show's host, Tyra Banks, shared with you how she feels about you doing "The Surreal Life"?

Knight: Tell him the truth, Adrianne!

Curry: Tyra has not talked to me or any of the girls from that first season in well over a year. She doesn't talk to us anymore. Let's just let it end there.

Knight: Why don't you tell him the truth, Adrianne?

Curry: Christopher, shut up! No! No!

What's going on, Christopher?

Curry: Shut up, Christopher! If he tells you anything he will not be getting laid for a very long time.

Knight: Just tell him, Adrianne.

Curry: Okay, basically, there's some bad blood with myself and the rest of the first-season girls because Tyra really didn't help us out and the show didn't put any money into us. Basically, it was our show that saved the network and it was the biggest show ever. Afterwards I was supposed to get a Revlon contract, but that fell through. Basically, my whole modeling package fell through. It just seems that Tyra cared about us on the show, but afterwards we all became kind of bitter because it didn't seem that way once the cameras were off. Tyra's a smart woman. She knows how to market herself. It's not "America's Next Top Model," it's "America's Next Top Tyra Banks." I don't want any part of Tyra or the show anymore. A lot of the other girls from the show have been f-ked over as well. We trusted Tyra, but we've all been screwed over.

Have you tried to reach out to Tyra and tell her how you feel?

Curry: No, I'm better than that. I'm just going to move on. God bless her. I don't want any part of her any more.

So it sounds like your career had stalled to a halt. Is that why you decided to sign on to "The Surreal Life"?

Curry: A little bit. But more to get out there and just be myself. Because with Top Model, they had to polish up my image a little bit because I won. They still had me coming across as a sailor-mouthed, crazed, bisexual woman. But I wanted people to really know me and I wanted to meet other people. Because a lot of other people who were on the show, whose names I won't mention, were also f-ked over by the modeling industry. I bonded with a few of the other cast members because we were all screwed over by the people that we trusted who brought us out of obscurity.

Christopher, have you had that birds and the bees showbiz talk with Adrianne yet? It's a cruel world out there.



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TYRA BANKS RESPONDS...
In response to Adrianne Curry's comments regarding "America's Next Top Model" and it's host Tyra Banks, Tyra told Steppin' Out magazine the following: I have an invested interest in all the girls. I take Adrianne's struggles to bed with me at night. Adrianne's problem was that she went to Europe to try to make it and nobody knew who she was there. So it was like starting over. But after a girl leaves the show it's really up to her to be aggressive and try to succeed.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 02, 2005, 08:34:41 PM
i don't like adrianne. i saw her on the surreal life.  she's too foul-mouthed for me.  i don't care too much for tyra either. i don't think she's hot, but apparently so bc she had chris webber locked down.

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in other news.  re: the man and my messenger drama.  ladies, it was just a tantrum.  no one's in the clear yet.  and i'm still not over or past the trauma.  just wanted to illustrate what big BABIES MEN CAN BE!! 

 ::)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 02, 2005, 09:19:56 PM
i don't like adrianne. i saw her on the surreal life.  she's too foul-mouthed for me.  i don't care too much for tyra either. i don't think she's hot, but apparently so bc she had chris webber locked down.

-----------


in other news.  re: the man and my messenger drama.  ladies, it was just a tantrum.  no one's in the clear yet.  and i'm still not over or past the trauma.  just wanted to illustrate what big BABIES MEN CAN BE!! 

 ::)

I just read all this and I'll respond by saying this: I was in a similiar predicament prior to ls. I was dating someone who only had his HS diploma, now I didn't "clean him up" or "raise him up" or none of that but educationally and financially I was in a better position than him. And that's a part of what attracted him to me. However, he had his issues. He was constantly tellin me how he didn't deserve me, asking why I was dating him, and so on so forth. He seemd supportive but eventually he started to show his ass around the time I had to take the lsats and so on so forth. And he did break up with me (to my face). We have spoken since and what it came down to is that he felt I was on my way and would eventually leave him for a more successful man anyway.

I loved him very much, but it turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I really didn't need someone holding me back. I (and you) need someone who is assure of themselve and don't need someone else to "help them out" or whatever it is that you said you've done for him. Of course as his lover and friend you are supposed to stand by your man's side as a helper and supporter but not as his momma or nurse. B/c eventually a guy will leave his momma to become a man (the ones who don't aren't men) and eventually patients leave their nurses. Think about this.

Furthermore, more so why this was a blessing is b/c when you're in ls, you don't need this type of emotional rollercoaster. It seems that you invest a lot of your time into this man. YOU CANNOT INVEST THIS MUCH TIME INTO ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES SCHOOL, otherwise you are not going to do well. That's my word. I see how much you talk about your man on this board, and how upset you are/were about his "tantrum" but sweetie, ain't no time to be dealing with a supposed grown ass man's tantrum while you're studying for civil procedure. It's hard enough for married couples when one or both of them are law students, ya'll have not made that commitment to each other yet. Talking about marriage is one thing, being in a marriage and building that relationship is another.

Now I am not trying to steal your happiness from you, or break up anyone's relationship. But sister to sister, I want you to really think about the path you are about to embark on and what's important, what's not, what can be tolerated, and what can't.

Promise me you'll at least consider what I've said.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 02, 2005, 09:46:54 PM
i don't like adrianne. i saw her on the surreal life.  she's too foul-mouthed for me.  i don't care too much for tyra either. i don't think she's hot, but apparently so bc she had chris webber locked down.

-----------


in other news.  re: the man and my messenger drama.  ladies, it was just a tantrum.  no one's in the clear yet.  and i'm still not over or past the trauma.  just wanted to illustrate what big BABIES MEN CAN BE!! 

 ::)

I just read all this and I'll respond by saying this: I was in a similiar predicament prior to ls. I was dating someone who only had his HS diploma, now I didn't "clean him up" or "raise him up" or none of that but educationally and financially I was in a better position than him. And that's a part of what attracted him to me. However, he had his issues. He was constantly tellin me how he didn't deserve me, asking why I was dating him, and so on so forth. He seemd supportive but eventually he started to show his ass around the time I had to take the lsats and so on so forth. And he did break up with me (to my face). We have spoken since and what it came down to is that he felt I was on my way and would eventually leave him for a more successful man anyway.

I loved him very much, but it turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I really didn't need someone holding me back. I (and you) need someone who is assure of themselve and don't need someone else to "help them out" or whatever it is that you said you've done for him. Of course as his lover and friend you are supposed to stand by your man's side as a helper and supporter but not as his momma or nurse. B/c eventually a guy will leave his momma to become a man (the ones who don't aren't men) and eventually patients leave their nurses. Think about this.

Furthermore, more so why this was a blessing is b/c when you're in ls, you don't need this type of emotional rollercoaster. It seems that you invest a lot of your time into this man. YOU CANNOT INVEST THIS MUCH TIME INTO ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES SCHOOL, otherwise you are not going to do well. That's my word. I see how much you talk about your man on this board, and how upset you are/were about his "tantrum" but sweetie, ain't no time to be dealing with a supposed grown ass man's tantrum while you're studying for civil procedure. It's hard enough for married couples when one or both of them are law students, ya'll have not made that commitment to each other yet. Talking about marriage is one thing, being in a marriage and building that relationship is another.

Now I am not trying to steal your happiness from you, or break up anyone's relationship. But sister to sister, I want you to really think about the path you are about to embark on and what's important, what's not, what can be tolerated, and what can't.

Promise me you'll at least consider what I've said.


Ladyday, most definitely.  I promise.  Thanks for your post.    :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on March 02, 2005, 11:58:48 PM
i don't like adrianne. i saw her on the surreal life.  she's too foul-mouthed for me.  i don't care too much for tyra either. i don't think she's hot, but apparently so bc she had chris webber locked down.

-----------


in other news.  re: the man and my messenger drama.  ladies, it was just a tantrum.  no one's in the clear yet.  and i'm still not over or past the trauma.  just wanted to illustrate what big BABIES MEN CAN BE!! 

 ::)

I just read all this and I'll respond by saying this: I was in a similiar predicament prior to ls. I was dating someone who only had his HS diploma, now I didn't "clean him up" or "raise him up" or none of that but educationally and financially I was in a better position than him. And that's a part of what attracted him to me. However, he had his issues. He was constantly tellin me how he didn't deserve me, asking why I was dating him, and so on so forth. He seemd supportive but eventually he started to show his ass around the time I had to take the lsats and so on so forth. And he did break up with me (to my face). We have spoken since and what it came down to is that he felt I was on my way and would eventually leave him for a more successful man anyway.

I loved him very much, but it turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I really didn't need someone holding me back. I (and you) need someone who is assure of themselve and don't need someone else to "help them out" or whatever it is that you said you've done for him. Of course as his lover and friend you are supposed to stand by your man's side as a helper and supporter but not as his momma or nurse. B/c eventually a guy will leave his momma to become a man (the ones who don't aren't men) and eventually patients leave their nurses. Think about this.

Furthermore, more so why this was a blessing is b/c when you're in ls, you don't need this type of emotional rollercoaster. It seems that you invest a lot of your time into this man. YOU CANNOT INVEST THIS MUCH TIME INTO ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES SCHOOL, otherwise you are not going to do well. That's my word. I see how much you talk about your man on this board, and how upset you are/were about his "tantrum" but sweetie, ain't no time to be dealing with a supposed grown ass man's tantrum while you're studying for civil procedure. It's hard enough for married couples when one or both of them are law students, ya'll have not made that commitment to each other yet. Talking about marriage is one thing, being in a marriage and building that relationship is another.

Now I am not trying to steal your happiness from you, or break up anyone's relationship. But sister to sister, I want you to really think about the path you are about to embark on and what's important, what's not, what can be tolerated, and what can't.

Promise me you'll at least consider what I've said.

Way to tell'um girl. Also, while dispensing your infinite wisdom you should have also included the current "Gift Exchange Rate", holla. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 03, 2005, 01:32:48 AM
Quote
WHY BLACK MEN LOVE WHITE WOMEN

by Rajen Persaud


The white woman is pyscho-socially conditioned to fear the Black male and the Black female. One can take her man the other her humanity, and the white man is the sheriff who protects her from both. This highly charged sexual climate creates insecurity in white women, confusion in Black men, resentment in Black women and power for the white man...
Down through the ages the more the Black woman was soiled, the more the white woman was deified. And so the white man’s relationship with the Black woman, and his protection of the white woman, created an appetite of vengeful lust within Black men, and a dawning interest in Black men by white women. After seeing the white man ravage the Black woman, it is only natural that the Black man wants to reciprocate. Whether to get even or just out of curiosity, inevitably a journey toward the white woman will sooner or later be embarked upon...

Many white women rationalize their jealousy of the sexual relations between their men and Black women by calling them “dark temptresses” that “seduce” white men. A notion that overlaps into the mind of the Black male. Consequently, Black women spend much of their lives vainly fighting for acceptance. They often end up adoring those who don't really much care for them, giving every last bit of themselves to men who come with nothing more than slight interest.

And so Black women embark on an epic search for something that cannot be found, while the Black male and many others benefit from all she has to give. Too often she becomes part of a half-*** relationship that caters only to the whims of her ‘man.” In the end, as Ken Singleton in "Broken Silence" observes, many Black women “tolerate poor treatment hoping that if they hold out long enough, the negative behavior will stop... Women feel unworthy of love and stay in abusive situations trying (desperately) to make themselves more appealing..."

Frantz Fanon in "Black Skin White Masks" describes the Black man’s inferiority complex. “Out of the blackest part of my soul, across the zebra striping of my mind, surges this desire to be suddenly white. I wish to be acknowledged not as black but as white...who but a white woman can do this for me? By loving me she proves that I am worthy of white love. I am loved like a white man...I marry white culture, white beauty, white whiteness. When my restless hands caress those white breasts, they grasp white civilization and dignity and make them mine..."

Note how the “dancer” is the first job experience that many young Black women obtain. This only further decreases her desirability. Interest, respect and concern is halted at her loins. Throughout America all too many Black men are putting dollar bills in the draws of Black “dancers” and not a dime on the dinner table of those who mothered their children...

The history and circumstance that has soiled the Black woman’s image continues to direct the Black man’s mind away from that desperate sight toward that which he has longed to be recognized by. His goal is to be loved and accepted by those he was designed to worship, in order for his dignity to triumph. He sees himself as a historic failure - failing to provide for his family, protect his woman, and secure a livelihood.

He finds it hard to connect with the Black woman, outside of sensation, since she serves as the symbol of his failure. By giving birth to him she represents the synthesis of his circumstance, the precious gift of life once cherished now become a curse, her womb a graveyard as life became death. As a result, he will chase the white woman to the ends of the earth, and will stop only when he catches his mind... (by Rajen Persaud from his just released book "Why Black Men Love White Women"
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on March 03, 2005, 03:38:15 AM
Quote
WHY BLACK MEN LOVE WHITE WOMEN

by Rajen Persaud


The white woman is pyscho-socially conditioned to fear the Black male and the Black female. One can take her man the other her humanity, and the white man is the sheriff who protects her from both. This highly charged sexual climate creates insecurity in white women, confusion in Black men, resentment in Black women and power for the white man...
Down through the ages the more the Black woman was soiled, the more the white woman was deified. And so the white man’s relationship with the Black woman, and his protection of the white woman, created an appetite of vengeful lust within Black men, and a dawning interest in Black men by white women. After seeing the white man ravage the Black woman, it is only natural that the Black man wants to reciprocate. Whether to get even or just out of curiosity, inevitably a journey toward the white woman will sooner or later be embarked upon...

Many white women rationalize their jealousy of the sexual relations between their men and Black women by calling them “dark temptresses” that “seduce” white men. A notion that overlaps into the mind of the Black male. Consequently, Black women spend much of their lives vainly fighting for acceptance. They often end up adoring those who don't really much care for them, giving every last bit of themselves to men who come with nothing more than slight interest.

And so Black women embark on an epic search for something that cannot be found, while the Black male and many others benefit from all she has to give. Too often she becomes part of a half-*** relationship that caters only to the whims of her ‘man.” In the end, as Ken Singleton in "Broken Silence" observes, many Black women “tolerate poor treatment hoping that if they hold out long enough, the negative behavior will stop... Women feel unworthy of love and stay in abusive situations trying (desperately) to make themselves more appealing..."

Frantz Fanon in "Black Skin White Masks" describes the Black man’s inferiority complex. “Out of the blackest part of my soul, across the zebra striping of my mind, surges this desire to be suddenly white. I wish to be acknowledged not as black but as white...who but a white woman can do this for me? By loving me she proves that I am worthy of white love. I am loved like a white man...I marry white culture, white beauty, white whiteness. When my restless hands caress those white breasts, they grasp white civilization and dignity and make them mine..."

Note how the “dancer” is the first job experience that many young Black women obtain. This only further decreases her desirability. Interest, respect and concern is halted at her loins. Throughout America all too many Black men are putting dollar bills in the draws of Black “dancers” and not a dime on the dinner table of those who mothered their children...

The history and circumstance that has soiled the Black woman’s image continues to direct the Black man’s mind away from that desperate sight toward that which he has longed to be recognized by. His goal is to be loved and accepted by those he was designed to worship, in order for his dignity to triumph. He sees himself as a historic failure - failing to provide for his family, protect his woman, and secure a livelihood.

He finds it hard to connect with the Black woman, outside of sensation, since she serves as the symbol of his failure. By giving birth to him she represents the synthesis of his circumstance, the precious gift of life once cherished now become a curse, her womb a graveyard as life became death. As a result, he will chase the white woman to the ends of the earth, and will stop only when he catches his mind... (by Rajen Persaud from his just released book "Why Black Men Love White Women"

Do we really need to go THERE, AGAIN? ::)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: CaliToD.C. on March 03, 2005, 09:29:52 AM

After seeing the white man ravage the Black woman, it is only natural that the Black man wants to reciprocate. Whether to get even or just out of curiosity, inevitably a journey toward the white woman will sooner or later be embarked upon...


I think that is completely accurate.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 03, 2005, 10:29:36 AM
Actually Regal, that's a good article. Going beyond the intterracial part, it really breaks down an important part of why there is such a divide and resentment between black men and black women. And why some black women get entangled in bs relationships.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 03, 2005, 10:52:03 AM
Quote
Consequently, Black women spend much of their lives vainly fighting for acceptance. They often end up adoring those who don't really much care for them, giving every last bit of themselves to men who come with nothing more than slight interest.

And so Black women embark on an epic search for something that cannot be found, while the Black male and many others benefit from all she has to give. Too often she becomes part of a half-*** relationship that caters only to the whims of her ‘man.” In the end, as Ken Singleton in "Broken Silence" observes, many Black women “tolerate poor treatment hoping that if they hold out long enough, the negative behavior will stop... Women feel unworthy of love and stay in abusive situations trying (desperately) to make themselves more appealing..."

This part is really deep.

Yeah, that's the part I was referring to too. I was like dayum. Speak!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 03, 2005, 11:09:56 AM
This article depresses me b/c we all know some black woman (if not ourselves)who struggles with the issues mentioned in the article. I've been guilty of giving myself completely in a relationship while my first boyfriend only gave part of himself. As black women we need to find some way to take power back and have our men really appreciate us. This also means that when we aren't being treated like "queens" we need to have the power to cut ties and walk away.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 03, 2005, 11:20:09 AM
Regal that is so true...But in some ways when you are in a relationship if you are only partially giving yourself then your not really loving the other person.  It seems like it would be hard to hold back certain things without it affecting the way you feel.   IDK if I made what I'm trying to say clear?  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 03, 2005, 11:24:30 AM
Yo Regal, change the poll so we can see the results..otherwise guys might be tempted to vote just to see the results....and I hope you characters voted on today's poll on the poll thread.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 03, 2005, 11:29:23 AM
This is Ladyday's thread. She has the power to change the poll.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 03, 2005, 11:31:35 AM
This is Ladyday's thread. She has the power to change the poll.

Oh, I forgot.  Thanks.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 03, 2005, 12:38:28 PM
Essence editor Michaela Angela Davis, activist Kevin Powell, vice president of BET public relations Michael Lewellen, vice president of TVT Records A&R department Brian Leach and MC Lyte were on hand at the recent Take Back The Music campaign conference from Essence magazine and Spelman College. 


      The image of black women in hip hop served as the topic, as audience members on the Spelman campus peppered the panelists with questions.


      "It was most heated and most uncomfortable for those representing the [record] companies. Lewellen and Leach received the most fire from the audience," Davis told the “New York Daily News.” "These women are in pain and are confused. One woman asked, 'What did we do to make you all seemingly hate us so much?' There was a great silence, and a feeling of collective pain filled the air."

      *Meanwhile; “Vibe” magazine is launching its new feminine side, “Vibe Vixen,” a 425,000-circ beauty, fashion and lifestyle book to be published twice this year, via spring and fall issues.  "Vibe Vixen" editor in chief Mimi Valdés calls it: “A girly version of what the ladies love about Vibe.”


      Ciara graces the cover of the 138-page first issue, which also features the front-of-the-book sections Start, a capsule of snippets about the culture and personalities, and Crave, an 18-page shopping guide featuring the hottest in fashion, makeup and jewelry. Features include the Ciara cover story and a piece on the history of hair weaves.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 03, 2005, 12:47:58 PM
This is Ladyday's thread. She has the power to change the poll.

Oh, I forgot.  Thanks.

Don't let that *&^% happen again  ;)

And it's done.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 03, 2005, 01:17:28 PM
"It was most heated and most uncomfortable for those representing the [record] companies. Lewellen and Leach received the most fire from the audience," Davis told the “New York Daily News.” "These women are in pain and are confused. One woman asked, 'What did we do to make you all seemingly hate us so much?' There was a great silence, and a feeling of collective pain filled the air."


That's deep. And so sad.


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 03, 2005, 02:12:09 PM
Blk_reign, Lexington must have been reading my mind, or is watching Oprah too. I wanted to ask you how you liked the movie Diary of a Mad Black Woman?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 03, 2005, 02:31:22 PM
Blk_reign, Lexington must have been reading my mind, or is watching Oprah too. I wanted to ask you how you liked the movie Diary of a Mad Black Woman?

I still haven't gone :-\  I will before the weekend is over
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 03, 2005, 02:34:52 PM
I'm going with the girls tonight...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 03, 2005, 03:20:13 PM
It was a good movie....And funny as heck....I laughed outloud so much I thought I was going to pee on myself.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 03, 2005, 03:25:24 PM
It was a good movie....And funny as heck....I laughed outloud so much I thought I was going to pee on myself.

Do you believe that it was a black male bashing as some have purported?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 03, 2005, 03:30:07 PM
It was a good movie....And funny as heck....I laughed outloud so much I thought I was going to pee on myself.

Do you believe that it was a black male bashing as some have purported?

No not at all....Actually it was quite the opposite.  Most of the Black males in the movie were seen as good men, accept the a-hole she was married to....But any woman would have wanted to bash him upside his head.....Have u seen the play?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 03, 2005, 03:32:59 PM
It was a good movie....And funny as heck....I laughed outloud so much I thought I was going to pee on myself.

Do you believe that it was a black male bashing as some have purported?

No not at all....Actually it was quite the opposite.  Most of the Black males in the movie were seen as good men, accept the a-hole she was married to....But any woman would have wanted to bash him upside his head.....Have u seen the play?

That's good to hear. I think a lot of people have written it off to be a black male bashing flick without ever seeing it which is unfortunate. I haven't seen the play but I'll try to see the movie this weekend.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 03, 2005, 03:48:51 PM
It was a good movie....And funny as heck....I laughed outloud so much I thought I was going to pee on myself.

Do you believe that it was a black male bashing as some have purported?

No not at all....Actually it was quite the opposite.  Most of the Black males in the movie were seen as good men, accept the meanie she was married to....But any woman would have wanted to bash him upside his head.....Have u seen the play?

That's good to hear. I think a lot of people have written it off to be a black male bashing flick without ever seeing it which is unfortunate. I haven't seen the play but I'll try to see the movie this weekend.

The play was one of my favorite Tyler Perry plays....You should see the play as well...They have them on DVD....all of the ones with Medea are funny as hell.....
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 06, 2005, 06:30:38 PM
LOL

that poll is crazy
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 08, 2005, 08:38:41 AM
Hello Ladies.

I see things around here have been kinda quiet as of late, it's good though, hopefully everyone's making things happening. I'm on a break in between classes, but I had to throw something out there right quick. I was listening to the radio this morning and I can't remember the author's name but they had the woman who wrote the book What Black Men Need to Know About Black Women, or something close to that, anyway, this chick had a chapter in there saying that it is alright for men to pop women in the mouth once in awhile, and the host asked her to comment on that but I didn't get a chance to hear everything she said. But does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is it ok sometimes, under certain conditions, never?

Edit: Men, feel free to comment as well.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 08, 2005, 08:41:26 AM
oh, that 'pop women in the mouth"...sorry I was thinking something completely different.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 08, 2005, 08:44:09 AM
What?!?!

Under NO circumstances is it ok for a man to ever hit a woman.  That's crazy.  Too bad you didn't hear the end of that  interview.  I'd be very interested to hear what the women calling in had to say in response.

A woman smacking the crap out of man, on the other hand...   :D


BP-- typical!!!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 08, 2005, 08:45:43 AM
oh, that 'pop women in the mouth"...sorry I was thinking something completely different.

LOL

No, it's not ok to hit a woman. And I would never do that. Hell, I barely yell. I guess that's because I don't have a temper. This author is probably saying wild sh!t just to get her face on Oprah to sell books.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 08, 2005, 08:51:09 AM
oh, that 'pop women in the mouth"...sorry I was thinking something completely different.

LOL

No, it's not ok to hit a woman. And I would never do that. Hell, I barely yell. I guess that's because I don't have a temper. This author is probably saying wild sh!t just to get her face on Oprah to sell books.

You know you are probably right about her saying wild sh*t to sell more books and to get on the talk show rounds.  Reminds me of this lady who has the book out on cheating.  She talks about how cheating can be good to save your marriage, and she details all these cheating strategies for married women.  It's crazy.  Not to change the subject though, it can never be okay to hit a woman (unless it's self-defense...I'm not going to stand there and get my ass kicked-but that's another story)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: NYBound05 on March 08, 2005, 11:32:32 PM
It's NEVER EVER EVER ok for a man to hit a woman, or vice versa.  If a woman goes around hitting on her man, she better be prepared to get socked as well. 

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: TrojanChispas on March 09, 2005, 05:27:30 AM
see, this is where i am a feminist.  things should be exactly equal for men and women: same pay, same rights, same treatment.  i'm not saying i would hit a woman if she hit me, but i understand ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 09, 2005, 07:00:20 AM
  >:( NO MAN SHOULD EVER HIT A WOMAN.....ESPECIALLY NOT THE WOMAN THAT HE CLAIMS TO LOVE AND HONOR......IF HE DOES HE IS WEAK AND NOT A MAN!  >:(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on March 09, 2005, 08:10:32 AM
It's NEVER EVER EVER ok for a man to hit a woman, or vice versa.  If a woman goes around hitting on her man, she better be prepared to get socked as well. 



Good Morning!

SWB--I agree. Physical abuse isn't acceptable from either sex.  Women don't get a pass just because of their gender.  If she's brave enough to initiate, she better be ready for what follows. ::)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 08:16:31 AM
It's NEVER EVER EVER ok for a man to hit a woman, or vice versa.  If a woman goes around hitting on her man, she better be prepared to get socked as well. 



Good Morning!

SWB--I agree. Physical abuse isn't acceptable from either sex.  Women don't get a pass just because of their gender.  If she's brave enough to initiate, she better be ready for what follows. ::)

I guess it depends on my mood whether or not I agree with this. Today I don't agree with it. When does reciprocating violence ever help? Men, if a woman strikes you, take the higher moral ground and don't strike her back, call the police and have her arrested. I was just really pissed when the author on air said that this was ok. In relationships the two people should be partners and equals, by telling men that it's ok to strike their women when they "get out of line" is like treating your woman like a child, along with the lack of respect. That lady was nuts with that one. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on March 09, 2005, 08:25:40 AM
It's NEVER EVER EVER ok for a man to hit a woman, or vice versa.  If a woman goes around hitting on her man, she better be prepared to get socked as well. 





Good Morning!

SWB--I agree. Physical abuse isn't acceptable from either sex.  Women don't get a pass just because of their gender.  If she's brave enough to initiate, she better be ready for what follows. ::)

I guess it depends on my mood whether or not I agree with this. Today I don't agree with it. When does reciprocating violence ever help? Men, if a woman strikes you, take the higher moral ground and don't strike her back, call the police and have her arrested. I was just really pissed when the author on air said that this was ok. In relationships the two people should be partners and equals, by telling men that it's ok to strike their women when they "get out of line" is like treating your woman like a child, along with the lack of respect. That lady was nuts with that one. 

Ladyday--I don't think it is acceptable to hit, but generally, if someone hits another person, they should expect to get hit back.  I'm all for taking the high road, but realistically, there is only so much a human (man or woman) should be expected to take.

If a woman is punching a man in the face in the middle of the street (I've seen this by the way), should he just stand there and take it like a "man"?  (Walking away isn't an option because she is running after him).  What should he do?  Fortunately, the guy in this situation managed to get away without having to hit the girl.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 08:45:14 AM
Ladyday--I don't think it is acceptable to hit, but generally, if someone hits another person, they should expect to get hit back.  I'm all for taking the high road, but realistically, there is only so much a human (man or woman) should be expected to take.

If a woman is punching a man in the face in the middle of the street (I've seen this by the way), should he just stand there and take it like a "man"?  (Walking away isn't an option because she is running after him).  What should he do?  Fortunately, the guy in this situation managed to get away without having to hit the girl.

Yes, I agree, if someone hits another person they should expect to get hit back. But that doesn't mean the person should hit them back. Self-defense is entirely different than punching a person in the face. I guess I look at the consequences of most actions. More likely than not, if a woman hits a man, and he hits her back, his physical strength will have more of an impact than hers, so when the police do get called, his ass will be arrested, not her. So men need to be smart and protect themselves, let the woman suffer the embarrasment of being arrested and everything else that is produced from it.

And no, no one should stand by and let themselves get their ass beat. Either that guy should have tried to restrain her from hitting him, or did what he did. But he should have had her ass arrested. Just like women should have men arrested. By getting physical with someone, your then talking on a level which they understand, which shows they have an illness. @#!* them up by responding differently.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on March 09, 2005, 09:33:20 AM
Why does no get 2 categories in the poll.  Why not Yes and Hell Yeah errday ;D, stop the negativity.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 09, 2005, 09:44:33 AM
Daymn! At the poll...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on March 09, 2005, 09:58:02 AM
Daymn! At the poll...

BP this could be the "Guys Thread" poll tommorrow  :P
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 09, 2005, 10:04:06 AM
Daymn! At the poll...

BP this could be the "Guys Thread" poll tommorrow  :P

That's controlled by RBG though...y'all some freaks! haha
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 09, 2005, 10:16:21 AM
Ladyday, which one did you choose?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 10:20:21 AM
Ladyday, which one did you choose?

which do you think?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 09, 2005, 10:21:11 AM
Ladyday, which one did you choose?

which do you think?

I have, and I liked it

lol
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 10:22:19 AM
Ladyday, which one did you choose?

which do you think?

I have, and I liked it

lol

 :o  >:( ;D :-X
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 09, 2005, 10:25:25 AM
Ladyday, which one did you choose?

which do you think?

I have, and I liked it

lol

 :o  >:( ;D :-X

What? I don't know you very well, so I don't know which one you selected. But you know what, baby, we can change that!  :-*

LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 10:29:56 AM
Ladyday, which one did you choose?

which do you think?

I have, and I liked it

lol

 :o  >:( ;D :-X

What? I don't know you very well, so I don't know which one you selected. But you know what, baby, we can change that!  :-*

LOL

 :-[...........

but i was starting to get offended, thinkin i was being labeled the board freak or somethin......
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 09, 2005, 10:32:13 AM
Ladyday, which one did you choose?

which do you think?

I have, and I liked it

lol

 :o  >:( ;D :-X

What? I don't know you very well, so I don't know which one you selected. But you know what, baby, we can change that!  :-*

LOL

 :-[...........

but i was starting to get offended, thinkin i was being labeled the board freak or somethin......

Oh baby I don't use labels. Unless you want me to  ;) :-*

Oh boy I'm silly...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 10:37:04 AM
Ladyday, which one did you choose?

which do you think?

I have, and I liked it

lol

 :o  >:( ;D :-X

What? I don't know you very well, so I don't know which one you selected. But you know what, baby, we can change that!  :-*

LOL

 :-[...........

but i was starting to get offended, thinkin i was being labeled the board freak or somethin......

Oh baby I don't use labels. Unless you want me to  ;) :-*

Oh boy I'm silly...

yeah you are  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 10:41:28 AM
BY CURTIS L. TAYLOR
STAFF WRITER

March 7, 2005

The city's black and Hispanic women are more likely to suffer from serious preventable diseases than their white counterparts, according to a report scheduled to be unveiled Tuesday.

For black women, and those living in the city's poorer neighborhoods, the findings are particularly alarming, according to the report, Women at Risk: The Health of Women in New York City.
 
Black women are more than twice as likely as white women to die from pregnancy-related complications.

Women in the city's poorest neighborhoods have a life expectancy of five fewer years than those living in the highest-income neighborhoods.

Hispanic women are more likely to report being in poor health, but are less likely than other groups to have health care coverage.

White women are not immune to suffering from preventable diseases. They have the highest death rates due to heart disease. Hispanic women were about two times less likely to die from heart disease compared with white or black women.

White female teenagers were also more likely to smoke and binge drink than blacks and Hispanics in the same age group.

But all of these ailments are preventable, according to Bonnie Kerker, acting Commissioner of Epidemiology Services for the city's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

The report is to be unveiled today in Manhattan as part of a larger citywide public health initiative to help teach women and New Yorkers, in general, about adopting healthier lifestyles.

Kerker suggested women should have regular checkups, undergo mammograms and exercise to stay healthy.

The report's key recommendations included having a doctor, not smoking and being screened for cancer.

Manhattan Borough President C. Virginia Fields criticized the study, saying it covers old ground.

"The Department of Health and Mental Hygiene continues to study a problem that we all know exists and offers very little in the way of a proactive response to these problems," said Fields, whose office recently released a similar report.

Shirlene Cooper, 42, of Brooklyn, said she doesn't need the statistics to tell her about the health crisis women of color are facing. Since 1997, she has been living with HIV, which she got from unprotected sex.

"Things have gotten better ... but it is ridiculous that women are not practicing safe sex," said Cooper, a black woman, who lauded the report's findings. "It is on the rise; that means women are not being educated as much as they should be."

The report, funded by the Commonwealth Fund, a private health advocacy group, showed the AIDS mortality of black women is seven times higher than with white women.

Jennifer Flynn, director of non-profit New York City AIDS Housing Network, said there was a racial divide when it came to prevention efforts.

"Despite the best efforts of advocates to level the playing field and ensure that communities of color receive the same resources as other communities in the city, the disparities continue," Flynn said.

Last year, the health commissioner, Dr. Thomas Frieden, implemented the Take Care New York program, a public health policy that triggered the report.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 09, 2005, 10:41:43 AM
Ladyday, which one did you choose?

which do you think?

I have, and I liked it

lol

 :o  >:( ;D :-X

What? I don't know you very well, so I don't know which one you selected. But you know what, baby, we can change that!  :-*

LOL

 :-[...........

but i was starting to get offended, thinkin i was being labeled the board freak or somethin......

Oh baby I don't use labels. Unless you want me to  ;) :-*

Oh boy I'm silly...

yeah you are  :D

so... whachu doing?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 10:42:38 AM
so... whachu doing?

relaxing for a moment, before i get started on more reading.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 09, 2005, 10:44:52 AM
so... whachu doing?

relaxing for a moment, before i get started on more reading.

Me too. We're like soulmates.

hahahaha
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 09, 2005, 11:25:54 AM
Ladyday, I think I'm becoming a vegan by force.  The only reason I am not a vegan is because I love cheese too much.  Well, my body is starting to reject it.  I feel disgusted when I eat it, and it even makes my stomach tense up.  I feel like I want to puke when I eat it, and now, just thinking of it makes me nauseas.

Has this ever happened to you?  I kinda hope it's just a phase.  I love pizza too much, and I'm going to disappear if I have to stop eating cheese.

 :(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 09, 2005, 11:29:58 AM
Ladyday, I think I'm becoming a vegan by force.  The only reason I am not a vegan is because I love cheese too much.  Well, my body is starting to reject it.  I feel disgusted when I eat it, and it even makes my stomach tense up.  I feel like I want to puke when I eat it, and now, just thinking of it makes me nauseas.

Has this ever happened to you?  I kinda hope it's just a phase.  I love pizza too much, and I'm going to disappear if I have to stop eating cheese.

 :(

I think thats exactly what happened to me... It felt like random nausea at first then I noticed it happened whenver I ate cheese.  I've since been eating rennetless cheese only and it seems to have fixed the problem.  To bad you can't order pizza with rennetless cheese  :'(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 09, 2005, 11:33:15 AM
Ladyday, I think I'm becoming a vegan by force.  The only reason I am not a vegan is because I love cheese too much.  Well, my body is starting to reject it.  I feel disgusted when I eat it, and it even makes my stomach tense up.  I feel like I want to puke when I eat it, and now, just thinking of it makes me nauseas.

Has this ever happened to you?  I kinda hope it's just a phase.  I love pizza too much, and I'm going to disappear if I have to stop eating cheese.

 :(

I think thats exactly what happened to me... It felt like random nausea at first then I noticed it happened whenver I ate cheese.  I've since been eating rennetless cheese only and it seems to have fixed the problem.  To bad you can't order pizza with rennetless cheese  :'(


that sucks. poor baby...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 09, 2005, 11:35:01 AM
Ladyday, I think I'm becoming a vegan by force.  The only reason I am not a vegan is because I love cheese too much.  Well, my body is starting to reject it.  I feel disgusted when I eat it, and it even makes my stomach tense up.  I feel like I want to puke when I eat it, and now, just thinking of it makes me nauseas.

Has this ever happened to you?  I kinda hope it's just a phase.  I love pizza too much, and I'm going to disappear if I have to stop eating cheese.

 :(

I think thats exactly what happened to me... It felt like random nausea at first then I noticed it happened whenver I ate cheese.  I've since been eating rennetless cheese only and it seems to have fixed the problem.  To bad you can't order pizza with rennetless cheese  :'(


SO THIS DOESN'T GO AWAY?!?!  Ugh... now I'm really upset.  What am I supposed to eat now?

I've never heard of rennetless cheese.  I've got to look that one up.  I cannot believe that my body is doing this!!!  Oh pizza, how I will miss thee...   :(

It's a sad, sad day in my world.   :'(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 11:46:15 AM
Ladyday, I think I'm becoming a vegan by force.  The only reason I am not a vegan is because I love cheese too much.  Well, my body is starting to reject it.  I feel disgusted when I eat it, and it even makes my stomach tense up.  I feel like I want to puke when I eat it, and now, just thinking of it makes me nauseas.

Has this ever happened to you?  I kinda hope it's just a phase.  I love pizza too much, and I'm going to disappear if I have to stop eating cheese.

 :(

I think thats exactly what happened to me... It felt like random nausea at first then I noticed it happened whenver I ate cheese.  I've since been eating rennetless cheese only and it seems to have fixed the problem.  To bad you can't order pizza with rennetless cheese  :'(


SO THIS DOESN'T GO AWAY?!?!  Ugh... now I'm really upset.  What am I supposed to eat now?

I've never heard of rennetless cheese.  I've got to look that one up.  I cannot believe that my body is doing this!!!  Oh pizza, how I will miss thee...   :(

It's a sad, sad day in my world.   :'(

Lex, that's a new one, I've never heard of rennetless cheese. Is it a special way they process it or something?

Seu, I know what you mean. My mother can BURN, but I'm always sick for at least a week afterwards b/c she uses dairy products  :'( There's so many alternative cheese products out there though. You should be fine. I eat "Amy's Soy Cheese Pizza" it's so good. And they also make cheeseless pizzas that are good too.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 09, 2005, 11:51:30 AM
It might go away... I just couldn't wait around to find out. Nausea is the worst!

In a nutshell, all cheese is made using rennet which is an enzyme that coagulates the milk.  So in actuality, "rennetless cheese" is really a misnomer.  "Regular" cheese is made with animal rennet (from cow stomachs) while "Rennetless" cheese is made with vegetarian rennet (from fungus or bacteria - sounds much better, i know ;)) The rennetless variety is pretty easy to find - at least here in CA, just requires some label reading.  

I use soy cheese too, but they don't carry it in the regular grocery, just the health food store so if I'm out I don't always feel like driving across town.  Plus, I haven't been able to find a soy cheese that melts right..  Suggestions?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 09, 2005, 11:54:58 AM
It might go away... I just couldn't wait around to find out. Nausea is the worst!

In a nutshell, all cheese is made using rennet.  So in actuality, "rennetless cheese" is really a misnomer.  "Regular" cheese is made with animal rennet (from cow stomachs) while "Rennetless" cheese is made with vegetarian rennet (from fungus or bacteria - sounds much better, i know ;)) The rennetless variety is pretty easy to find - at least here in CA, just requires some label reading. 

I use soy cheese too, but they don't carry it in the regular grocery, just the health food store so if I'm out I don't always feel like driving across town.  Plus, I haven't been able to find a soy cheese that melts right..  Suggestions?

This is quite the quandary
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 12:00:04 PM
It might go away... I just couldn't wait around to find out. Nausea is the worst!

In a nutshell, all cheese is made using rennet which is an enzyme that coagulates the milk.  So in actuality, "rennetless cheese" is really a misnomer.  "Regular" cheese is made with animal rennet (from cow stomachs) while "Rennetless" cheese is made with vegetarian rennet (from fungus or bacteria - sounds much better, i know ;)) The rennetless variety is pretty easy to find - at least here in CA, just requires some label reading.  

I use soy cheese too, but they don't carry it in the regular grocery, just the health food store so if I'm out I don't always feel like driving across town.  Plus, I haven't been able to find a soy cheese that melts right..  Suggestions?

 :( That's gross. And people wonder why I want to be a vegan.

"Soyco" soy cheese is pretty good, it melts ok. But "GoodSlice" is the best. It tastes exactly the same and melts really well. Makes great grilled cheese or I use it a lot to make cheese sauce for broccoli.

And Seu- Sorry to say ma, but I don't think it's going away. That's exactly what started happening to me a few months ago and I haven't touched chicken (and have no desire to) since. Dairy always messes up my system. I try to stay away as much as possible, otherwise I can be nauseated for days afterwards.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 09, 2005, 12:00:32 PM
"Traditionally, the first step in making cheese was to kill a newly-born, milk-fed calf and remove its stomach to make rennet. The rennet was derived from the inner lining of the abomasum, the fourth stomach of the calf or any other animal classified as a ruminant."

Blech...  I'd forgotten what rennet was!!!

I knew some cheeses were made from actual parts of the cow, not just the milk.  I can't believe I forgot about this!!!

In this case, I'm glad that my body is regulating on my semi-vegan behind.  I have no business killing a baby calf for a slice of cheese pizza!   >:(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 09, 2005, 12:00:49 PM
Daymn, 70% of the people in the poll either have done anal, or would.  Does this make me a prude?...haha
orright back to cheese talk.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 09, 2005, 12:06:34 PM
Daymn, 70% of the people in the poll either have done anal, or would.  Does this make me a prude?...haha
orright back to cheese talk.

 :D well it's kinda encouraging I suppose, since the people who have liked it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 09, 2005, 12:07:57 PM
"Soyco" soy cheese is pretty good, it melts ok. But "GoodSlice" is the best. It tastes exactly the same and melts really well. Makes great grilled cheese or I use it a lot to make cheese sauce for broccoli.

Grilled cheese, mmmmmmmm... Good thing it's almost lunchtime  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 09, 2005, 12:08:25 PM
Daymn, 70% of the people in the poll either have done anal, or would.  Does this make me a prude?...haha
orright back to cheese talk.

LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 09, 2005, 12:08:52 PM
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who this has happened to.  I wonder if this happens to all vegetarians?

It just happened all of a sudden.  Quite disgusting.  But I'm glad.  This is what I needed to get me back on track.

Thanks for your input, Lexington and Ladyday.


BTW--- BP, you're no prude.  Quit lying to yourself and to the rest of the board, you freak!   :-*
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 09, 2005, 12:10:27 PM
I'd like to thank Lexington too.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 09, 2005, 12:12:34 PM
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who this has happened to.  I wonder if this happens to all vegetarians?

It just happened all of a sudden.  Quite disgusting.  But I'm glad.  This is what I needed to get me back on track.

Thanks for your input, Lexington and Ladyday.


BTW--- BP, you're no prude.  Quit lying to yourself and to the rest of the board, you freak!   :-*

LOL ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 11, 2005, 09:15:46 AM
I want you bitches to vote. I'm curious.

Off-topic. Has anyone picked up this new mag Suede? I've had a subscription from the beginning and I love it. If I had to choose I'd pick it over Essence. Great mag.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 11, 2005, 09:17:32 AM
I voted NO.  the real thing or NO-thing for me.  i can wait...   8)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 11, 2005, 09:21:32 AM
I voted NO.  the real thing or NO-thing for me.  i can wait...   8)

I used to think the same way but I'm starting to think otherwise b/c  :-\ :-[ yeah, but err ummmm.......i've been waiting for over a year. April 9th will be 18 months to be exact. And all my friends who have dildos seem much happier  :D.

how's your nasuea been?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 11, 2005, 09:27:39 AM
I voted NO.  the real thing or NO-thing for me.  i can wait...   8)

I used to think the same way but I'm starting to think otherwise b/c  :-\ :-[ yeah, but err ummmm.......i've been waiting for over a year. April 9th will be 18 months to be exact. And all my friends who have dildos seem much happier  :D.

how's your nasuea been?


ha.  you've revirginized!!  you should be happy.  unless you have a depressed vagina, in which case you need some attention.  (i'm sure you've seen the episodes of sex and the city i'm referencing.)

one of my friends gave me a vibrator for christmas.  she felt i needed it since the man was gone.  i tried it a couple of times and it was GOOD.  it was this little thing called the bullet.  it's like 8 bucks.  it got me off in about 3 minutes.  i had to throw it away bc i was enjoying it too much. 


the nausea is horrible.  i had a bean gordita from taco bell yesterday.  the little cheese it had in it killed my stomach.  ugh!!!  driving to work this morning, for some reason i thought of cheese.  i can't get the disgusted feeling out of me now.  oh sadness.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: risingMC on March 11, 2005, 09:29:31 AM
one of my friends gave me a vibrator for christmas.  she felt i needed it since the man was gone.  i tried it a couple of times and it was GOOD.  it was this little thing called the bullet.  it's like 8 bucks.  it got me off in about 3 minutes.  i had to throw it away bc i was enjoying it too much. 

ROFL ...  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 11, 2005, 09:45:08 AM
one of my friends gave me a vibrator for christmas.  she felt i needed it since the man was gone.  i tried it a couple of times and it was GOOD.  it was this little thing called the bullet.  it's like 8 bucks.  it got me off in about 3 minutes.  i had to throw it away bc i was enjoying it too much. 

ROFL ...  :D

LMAO.....
My roomie got one for her b-day and she showed it to me and that *&^% was hot. Felt just like a real male private part, it was thick and long enough, and of course it was brown like a black man's. I mean it was nice to the point where I'd even consider giving it head  ;) :D ;D j/k. But I'ma find out where her friend got it from and get me one too.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 11, 2005, 09:48:46 AM
one of my friends gave me a vibrator for christmas.  she felt i needed it since the man was gone.  i tried it a couple of times and it was GOOD.  it was this little thing called the bullet.  it's like 8 bucks.  it got me off in about 3 minutes.  i had to throw it away bc i was enjoying it too much. 

ROFL ...  :D

LMAO.....
My roomie got one for her b-day and she showed it to me and that sh*t was hot. Felt just like a real male private part, it was thick and long enough, and of course it was brown like a black man's. I mean it was nice to the point where I'd even consider giving it head  ;) :D ;D j/k. But I'ma find out where her friend got it from and get me one too.


interesting...  make sure to pass on the name and how well it works.  the man's stay in europe keeps getting extended.  i might need to get me some before i'm really revirginized.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 11, 2005, 10:05:07 AM
I want you bitches to vote. I'm curious.

Off-topic. Has anyone picked up this new mag Suede? I've had a subscription from the beginning and I love it. If I had to choose I'd pick it over Essence. Great mag.

i voted. i like suede too, but i heard its being discontinued since essence was bought out by time warner. maybe it didn't make enuf $ in three issues. i thot it was cute, but i'm not as high maintenance as some of those ladies. reading it made me feel like going out to get a manicure or somethin
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 11, 2005, 10:25:02 AM
I want you bitches to vote. I'm curious.

Off-topic. Has anyone picked up this new mag Suede? I've had a subscription from the beginning and I love it. If I had to choose I'd pick it over Essence. Great mag.

i voted. i like suede too, but i heard its being discontinued since essence was bought out by time warner. maybe it didn't make enuf $ in three issues. i thot it was cute, but i'm not as high maintenance as some of those ladies. reading it made me feel like going out to get a manicure or somethin

WHAT!??!!?? Discontinued? Those Bastards. They better send me back the rest of my subscription money. I knew being bought out by Time Warner was going to be bad despite all of their promises not to make any changes. This is one of the best mags to come out in a long time. I really like the color schemes, artwork, and vibe the mag has. And I know a few people who work for the mag, and they haven't said nothin, maybe they're too embarrassed or somethin.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 11, 2005, 10:30:17 AM
Oh, and speaking of high-maintenance, I've been trying to convince myself that I don't have an illness. I just paid $60 for a cap. But it's really really nice. But i know if Mama Ladyday were to find out, she'd slap me. She thinks I pay waaaaaaay too much money for things that I could make myself. But that's just the thing, I was born to shop not to sew. I need reassurance that my purchase was not in vain.

Sidenote:
What are ya'lls favorite designers? My feeling right now is Roberto Cavalli, Tracy Reese, and Carolina Herrara (Note: this does not mean I can afford their *&^%, I just love their designs)
oh, and alexander mcqueen
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 11, 2005, 10:47:56 AM
Oh, and speaking of high-maintenance, I've been trying to convince myself that I don't have an illness. I just paid $60 for a cap. But it's really really nice. But i know if Mama Ladyday were to find out, she'd slap me. She thinks I pay waaaaaaay too much money for things that I could make myself. But that's just the thing, I was born to shop not to sew. I need reassurance that my purchase was not in vain.

Sidenote:
What are ya'lls favorite designers? My feeling right now is Roberto Cavalli, Tracy Reese, and Carolina Herrara (Note: this does not mean I can afford their sh*t, I just love their designs)
oh, and alexander mcqueen

i like DKNY, BCBG and some bebe.  there are a few others, but i can't think of them.  i shop at the banana and express or department stores that carry different lines.  i don't care too much for designer clothes, though.  those are the big designers down here.  i wouldn't know where to get roberto cavalli in austin.  or c. herrera.  i'll wait till i get to the NE to spice up my wardrobe.

i'm freaking tall, and i usually have to just adjust everything i buy.  i buy stuff and end up sewing it to suit my tastes.  but the good thing is that NOBODY ever ends up with the same clothes i have.  i love it.

sorry ladyday, i think you were robbed for that cap.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 11, 2005, 10:52:17 AM
Oh, and speaking of high-maintenance, I've been trying to convince myself that I don't have an illness. I just paid $60 for a cap. But it's really really nice. But i know if Mama Ladyday were to find out, she'd slap me. She thinks I pay waaaaaaay too much money for things that I could make myself. But that's just the thing, I was born to shop not to sew. I need reassurance that my purchase was not in vain.

Sidenote:
What are ya'lls favorite designers? My feeling right now is Roberto Cavalli, Tracy Reese, and Carolina Herrara (Note: this does not mean I can afford their sh*t, I just love their designs)
oh, and alexander mcqueen

i like DKNY, BCBG and some bebe.  there are a few others, but i can't think of them.  i shop at the banana and express or department stores that carry different lines.  i don't care too much for designer clothes, though.  those are the big designers down here.  i wouldn't know where to get roberto cavalli in austin.  or c. herrera.  i'll wait till i get to the NE to spice up my wardrobe.

i'm freaking tall, and i usually have to just adjust everything i buy.  i buy stuff and end up sewing it to suit my tastes.  but the good thing is that NOBODY ever ends up with the same clothes i have.  i love it.

sorry ladyday, i think you were robbed for that cap.

Lady Day: Roberto Cavalli, Carolina Herrara
Seu: BEBE

hahaha, sorry Seu, just messing with ya ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 11, 2005, 11:03:42 AM
What an interesting article I found. ALL BLACK PEOPLE should be vegetarians.
If you haven't noticed yet, I'm ALL ABOUT wellness and good health.

ENERGIZING THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY TOWARDS BECOMING A "PEOPLE OF WELLNESS": PART 1 OF 5 - HISTORY & HEALTH

A straightforward dialogue presenting a "Road Map To Wellness" for black folk

By Wiley Mullins - Founder, Wiley's Healthy Seasonings & Spices

   
Wiley Mullins, CEO and Founder of Uncle Wiley's
Healthy Seasonings & Spices 


The "Road Map to Wellness" for today's African-Americans may be found in the lifestyle patterns of their very descendents who lived and worked in Colonial America. Most of us know very little about the African slaves and their lifestyle, and what we do know about the treatment of many slaves, we'd just as soon forget. Believe it or not, the slaves were perhaps the healthiest Americans who ever lived!

We've all seen pictures and images of black slaves suffering from thankless backbreaking work in the excruciating summer's heat. The physical endurance and stamina required for this work made them strong. However, we have now come to learn that it was the Slave's diet that was primarily responsible for there near perfect health. Their diet consisted of a huge variety of garden-grown vegetables. Unlike today's typical American diet, the slaves feasted on a huge variety of vegetables and fruits, which were in great abundance during the south's extended growing season.

Research confirms that the slaves typically ate 6 to 8 servings of fruit and vegetables daily. How could this be possible? The typical field slave's day consisted of 11 to 13 hours daily of consistent work. They were often in the field when the sun rose beyond the quiet horizon and continued in the fields throughout the day until almost dusk. Breakfast and lunch as we know it didn't exist for the slaves. They often ate raw vegetables or gathered fallen fruit and nuts from trees that surrounded their workplace. This food would be only the food that was eaten all day until they returned home to their quarters. Once home, they would prepare communal meals for the entire slave community.

The items served at these nightly gatherings were the key to the Slaves' good health. Small gardens that were planted adjacent to the Slave's cabins produced an abundance of fresh produce for the majority of the year. These gardens oftentimes produced 15 or more different vegetables. The evening meal consisted of a vegetable stew or soup created from vegetables from the garden, and potatoes or rice from rations provided by the slave owners. These ingredients would be boiled in water until done. Interestingly, the vegetables reflected what was available to the slaves at the time. Combinations including carrots, squash, onions, peppers, okra, yams, tomatoes, leafy greens, corn, rice and potatoes were common.

According to Wiley Mullins, creator of Wiley's Healthy Seasonings and Spices, "the variety of produce consumed by the early African-Americans provided them with stamina and nutritional empowerment necessary to do the demanding daily task that were before them." Mullins states, "Recent nutritional research endorses the need to daily consume a variety of produce, especially colorful produce. Different colored produce naturally contain different nutrients, and these nutrients work in the body to protect the body from illness and disease.

The brilliancy of the slaves is as demonstrative as it gets on what one can do to secure Wellness. Of course, regular physical exercise is a given and the slaves certainly got plenty of that! Food was the key then and is certainly the key now to secure a "Wellness" lifestyle. The slaves did 4 things right: (1) they daily ate whole natural plant-based foods. Meat and fish weren't easily accessible, and were eaten very infrequently. (2) Lots of water was consumed daily. Water was the primary beverage with very limited consumption of bark teas. (3) The foods eaten were simple and easily digestible. Raw vegetables, fruits and nuts were eaten during the day. (4) The dinner meal was a "powerhouse of nutrition" featuring a large combination of colorful produce.

Unfortunately, most African-Americans today like all other Americans consume less than three servings of produce daily. Because so many meals are consumed away from home, oftentimes these servings consist of a potato or rice dish and no other colorful vegetable. A lot of what we eat is pre-determined by the menus from quick-serve restaurants. Preparing meals at home, even quick meals gives you more control over what is actually served to your family. Consuming a variety of colorful fruits and vegetables is an excellent first step towards adopting a lifestyle of "Wellness." Here's why:

* Deep Red Colored fruits and vegetables should be eaten every day. Red colored produce like Tomatoes, Watermelons, and pink grapefruits contain lycopene, a cancer fighter. Lycopene has been proven to fight the onset of prostate cancer. African-American men have the highest rate of prostate cancer in the world.

* Blue & Purple Colored fruits and vegetables contain two disease fighting phytochemicals. These powerful anti-oxidants help reduce the risk of disease including cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer's and may even slow the aging process. Memory loss occurs after age 50 for most people, and eating berries like blueberries, blackberries may help to reverse this trend.

* Dark Green Colored Vegetables such as collards, turnip greens, kale, and spinach should be eaten every day. These nutritional powerhouses are loaded with Lutien (pronounced LOO-ten). Lutien is an antioxidant that helps reduce the risk of cataracts and macular degeneration. Other green veggies like cabbage, Brussels sprouts, and broccoli help protect against breast cancer (which affects one out of every eight U.S. women) and prostate cancer (Which affects one out of every six men in the U.S.).

* Deep Orange Colored & Bright Yellow Colored fruits and vegetables should be eaten often. Vegetables such as yams, carrots, sweet potatoes and pumpkins all contain beta-carotene. Beta-carotene is a powerful antioxidant that reduces the risk of cancer and heart disease. Other fruits and veggies like lemons, yellow bell peppers, oranges, yellow raisins, and pears contain bioflavonoids that work together with Vitamin C to keep bodies healthy, strengthen bones and teeth, help heal wounds, keep skin healthy and lower the risk of heart attack.

* White Colored Produce like onions, leeks and garlic may be lacking in color but they contain a powerful nutrient called allicin. Allicin may help lower cholesterol and blood pressure and increase the body's ability to fight infection. Nutrition research shows that eating vegetables from the onion family may speed recovery from colds, reduce the risk of heart attacks, and may even stop the spread of certain cancers, particularly stomach and colon cancer.

For more information and other great "Wellness" tips, log on to www.unclewileys.com

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on March 11, 2005, 11:10:29 AM
i buy a lot of BCBG and ABS dresses. i could host my own fashion show with floor length gowns that i will never wear that are clogging up my closet. i also like Laundry-- they make the best shirts, but they are really a little too expensive for my budget so i only have, like, 3. I have a $1000 dress by Ralph Lauren that i received as a gift and never wear-- the split in the side is[ i] way [/i] too high and the material is way too slinky. i need to do some serious work at the gym before i feel comfortable wearing it.

Tahari makes beautiful suits, but i only have one that i bought from Filene's Basement, lol. Those things are just too goddamn expensive. when i'm Biglaw, i'll have a closet-full.

The only thing Calvin Klein makes that i like is underwear.

But the designer who makes exactly the clothes i'd like to wear every day is Kenneth Cole. Classic American. That's my style when i have one. Good stuff.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 11, 2005, 11:13:42 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/02/25/Arts/suede050225.html

this is the article about suede being discontinued. so sad. i think i want to start my own magazine. i know someone who worked for them as well, but i haven't talked to her in a while.

i felt really bad for paying $60 for a pair of jeans, and convinced myself that I'll wear them so much, it'll be worth it. i don't follow any major designers, but i have started to more with suede mag. oh, but jlf, i have seen some tahari suits that i liked. i didn't know they were designers like caroline herrera. like i said, low maintenance!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on March 11, 2005, 11:20:14 AM
. oh, but jlf, i have seen some tahari suits that i liked. i didn't know they were designers like caroline herrera. like i said, low maintenance!

yeah, this is all just idle chatter. i own lots of clothes and shoes, but generally i am wearing a pair of yoga pants and a tank top from old navy. and by 'generally,' i mean 4+ days a week. i'm just too lazy to get dressed up when i have perfectly good clothes lying on the floor. and i don't ever go anywhere, so there's no actual reason for having expensive clothes and makeup on. i don't need to catch a man or anything.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 11, 2005, 12:10:03 PM
Everyday favorite places to shop: Banana, Bebe, Arden B., The Limited,& Anthropologie. I was just interested in favorite designers.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/02/25/Arts/suede050225.html
 

 >:(

And I used to feel bad about paying $130+ for a pair of jeans until I realized that the more expensive ones fit and look the best. Truly. Believe me, I DO NOT like spending that much on a pair of jeans, but I realize I've wasted more money on continuing to buy cheaper ones in an effort to save money, but they weren't as cute and the fits were horrible.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 11, 2005, 12:13:05 PM
Everyday favorite places to shop: Banana, Bebe, Arden B., The Limited,& Anthropologie. I was just interested in favorite designers.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/02/25/Arts/suede050225.html
 

 >:(

And I used to feel bad about paying $130+ for a pair of jeans until I realized that the more expensive ones fit and look the best. Truly. Believe me, I DO NOT like spending that much on a pair of jeans, but I realize I've wasted more money on continuing to buy cheaper ones in an effort to save money, but they weren't as cute and the fits were horrible.


the best fitting pair of jeans i have, in length and cut, are ZCavariccis (sp?).  they're perfect.  i got them on sale at a huge department store, too.  20 bucks a pop.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 11, 2005, 12:13:56 PM
Ladyday...we are kindred spirits. I LOVE ANTHROPOLOGY, The Limited and of course Banana. Bebe is a tad bit too flashy for my taste so I just buy pieces from there.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on March 11, 2005, 12:23:40 PM
Ladyday...we are kindred spirits. I LOVE ANTHROPOLOGY, The Limited and of course Banana. Bebe is a tad bit too flashy for my taste so I just buy pieces from there.

Bebe is like a Wet Seal for girls who have more money. i have a nice shirt from there, but it has this problem with popping open at the most inopportune times. the buttons are made of some stone or something that isn't level, so they constantly come out of the button holes. i remember when i first had the shirt on and didn't know it had this problem-- i'm walking down a corridor getting odd looks when i realize my shirt is open to my bra (it was a nice bra, thankfully). god. that f-ing shirt.  >:(

i also have a bikini from there. i really like it a lot although i've only worn it once. but i've stopped shopping there-- i am too good for their trampy clothes. now the only stores i shop at in the mall are old navy and jacob. and as i haven't felt like buying anything from old navy in months, i guess i'm almost weaned off shopping there, too.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 11, 2005, 12:43:23 PM
Bebe is like a Wet Seal for girls who have more money.

 :D i feel ya. i shop there for specific occasions, not everyday wear. they have some really nice pieces, you have to look past the glizt and glam stuff and the overzealous sales associates. i have a couple of cute dresses from there.

I cry almost everytime I go into Anthropologie cuz i want EVERYTHING.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 11, 2005, 12:48:21 PM
Hello ladies! :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 11, 2005, 12:54:26 PM
hey, have y'all seen the banana website recently? all of the clothes are modeled by this stauesque Black woman. its nice to see her on there. oh, and i know the booty gap discussion has been had already, but i recently talked to a friend of mine that does market research. she said that places like the gap categorize body types (straight, average, curvy) and have tests to figure out the fits. its just that they think their market is mostly the straight body type so they make all of their pants to fit that. they know about the booty gap and ignore it. i decided to boycott gap for now. actually i went to look for more dress pants yesterday and i ended up buying suit separates b/c i can never find both in the same size that fit. it sucks to be mismatched!!! :(
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 11, 2005, 01:08:35 PM
Ahhh..how I love to see mismatched women! If you know what I mean.. ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 11, 2005, 01:10:23 PM
Ahhh..how I love to see mismatched women! If you know what I mean.. ;)

Are you talking about skinny girls with big booties? I don't get it...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 11, 2005, 01:19:02 PM
no, i'm not skinny at all. the problem is that the waist to hip ratio is not the same for all women. so like sometimes my pants will fit on my legs, but really big around the waist so i can't buy them. i feel like other people had this problem too right? so the straight woman has a 1:1 ratio i guess. like she goes straight down. then the average woman has a different one, then curvy women the ration is also different. you don't have to be skinny or have a big booty to have that problem. its the whole body type.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 11, 2005, 01:24:04 PM
Ahhh..how I love to see mismatched women! If you know what I mean.. ;)

no we don't, why don't you elaborate........
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 11, 2005, 01:24:34 PM
no, i'm not skinny at all. the problem is that the waist to hip ratio is not the same for all women. so like sometimes my pants will fit on my legs, but really big around the waist so i can't buy them. i feel like other people had this problem too right? so the straight woman has a 1:1 ratio i guess. like she goes straight down. then the average woman has a different one, then curvy women the ration is also different. you don't have to be skinny or have a big booty to have that problem. its the whole body type.

Oh. Sucks to be a woman. It's easy for me to buy jeans. Ah well.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 11, 2005, 01:46:03 PM
mmmmmmm....


SATISFACTION

i haven't had the real deal in a long time, and today, finally!!  after so long without, i finally had




a candybar! 


(what were you thinking, perv?)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: risingMC on March 11, 2005, 01:48:37 PM
no, i'm not skinny at all. the problem is that the waist to hip ratio is not the same for all women. so like sometimes my pants will fit on my legs, but really big around the waist so i can't buy them. i feel like other people had this problem too right? so the straight woman has a 1:1 ratio i guess. like she goes straight down. then the average woman has a different one, then curvy women the ration is also different. you don't have to be skinny or have a big booty to have that problem. its the whole body type.

I have a simliar problem (well, that, and I'm short). I'd check out Express pants ... forget Bebe and the rest, THIS is where my first real paycheck is going. Great fit, variable lengths, and quality fabric. The pants are a little pricey -- $60 to $80 a pair -- but you can sometimes get them on sale for $40. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 11, 2005, 01:57:32 PM
i've got very long legs.  i'm 5-9 and i use a size 5, but i'm definitely no stickfigure.  most jeans in size 5 are very short.  i'm really picky about pants for length purposes, especially since my shortest heel is 3 inches tall.

my problem with express jeans is the waist.  they're perfect in leg length, but the waist always has a ton of room in the FRONT.  what am i supposed to fill that with?!?!  some express jeans also have really high waists.  i feel like i'm wearing a pair of jordache jeans when i try some of their styles on.


 :o
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: risingMC on March 11, 2005, 02:14:50 PM
Hmm ... there goes that idea.

Ever notice how random sizes are nowadays? I was at H&M the other day and bought clothes that were several sizes larger than what I was normally used to. A 2 at Express is probably a 6 at H&M ...!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 11, 2005, 02:24:38 PM
Hmm ... there goes that idea.

Ever notice how random sizes are nowadays? I was at H&M the other day and bought clothes that were several sizes larger than what I was normally used to. A 2 at Express is probably a 6 at H&M ...!


exactly.  i don't like that.  i use a 2/4 at express.  those zcavariccis i was talking about are a 7.  i usually just pick out a 5, which is usually a good fit.  sometimes, though, i have to step out for a 3 or a 7.  i'm really scared when i have to find a 9, in which case, i don't buy those suckers.



i'm so sleepy.  the candybar is putting me to sleep.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 16, 2005, 10:50:14 AM
A male friend of mine wanted my opinion so I'm posing this scenario to the ladies:

You've been dating this guy for 3 years. He loves you, you love him. He takes care of you, is a great guy, no friction, no problems, and he is everything you've looked for in a husband. One night after sex he tells you he wants to spend the rest of his life with you but there's something he has never told you. He proceeds to tell you that he was convicted of rape when he was 19. Then again when he was 20. He is now 33, has never relapsed, and has been the utmost gentleman to you, and wants to marry you. Would you stay with him?

Btw: This is a true story, and the woman doesn't know what to do.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 16, 2005, 10:55:07 AM


did he really forcefully rape someone?  rape can be very ambiguous and there are some scandalous women out there who go around accusing good men of such.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: risingMC on March 16, 2005, 10:57:08 AM
I'm gonna second what Seu said. Back in college I had to deal with a case where two students got drunk and had sex; later on, the girl accused the guy of forcefully raping her. It's really iffy here ... then again, two convictions ... ?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 16, 2005, 10:57:28 AM
wow. you know what though. i think that my decision would be heavily weighted by the fact that he waited so long to tell me. i feel like not saying anything earlier is not exactly lying, but its like tryna box you in, make sure you don't leave. i don't know what i'd do in that situation. :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on March 16, 2005, 11:16:24 AM
Faith I didnt know you listened to J-Live. Yo ignore the hate by those Matts. They hurting inside.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 16, 2005, 11:21:34 AM
from my understanding, yes, he raped 2 different women. once when he was 19. then he raped another after he was released and was convicted again when he was 20. he admits to his wrongdoing but says he is "reformed". my immediate reaction was HELL NO, b/c I think all rapists should be given at least 20 years to life. rape is one of the most inhumane things you can do to a person. but i want everyone to vote!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on March 16, 2005, 11:27:21 AM
Damn LadyDay, I just read your story, thats crazy. Thats a rough decision for your friend to make. People make mistakes but still . . . he can be one of those dudes that just sneak out and rape some white chick at Central Park.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 16, 2005, 11:30:01 AM
fine, i voted yes.  but i put myself in the situation.  if it was my current old man who were to drop that bomb on me, i'd probably say yes.

kids are young and stupid.  the person that i was when i was 19 and 20 is completely different from who i am now.  i would expect my future husband to understand. 

i'm baffled, though-- why didn't he get more time in jail?  i think that had he gotten more time for his first conviction, he might not have committed the crime again a few months later.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 16, 2005, 11:32:43 AM
Damn LadyDay, I just read your story, thats crazy. Thats a rough decision for your friend to make. People make mistakes but still . . . he can be one of those dudes that just sneak out and rape some white chick at Central Park.

i know right? it's so hard cuz this lady is in her thirties too, and i'm sure she's at that point where she's like, "i'm getting old, will i ever find someone to love me like him again?" plus it's been so long since he committed those crimes..... and he's good to her.

but on the other hand,

he took so long to tell her, which is the same as lying. he played on her trust. he's a sex offender! for rape, I think he should technically still be in jail right now. I mean not once but twice he raped someone! while he gets to move on with his life, and has met a wonderful woman, those 2 women he violated have to live with those scars forever.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 16, 2005, 11:33:46 AM
i'm baffled, though-- why didn't he get more time in jail?  i think that had he gotten more time for his first conviction, he might not have committed the crime again a few months later.

Exactly
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 16, 2005, 12:56:44 PM
We all know that rape is a very serious offense that's about more than sex.  Usually the perp has domination, power, control issues.  I would want to see evidence that he had resolved those issues before I even considered remaining friends with the guy - letalone marrying him.  It's nice that he finally made the confession.  I personally can't fault the guy for holding it back all this time.  Afterall why would you tell someone something like that unless you planned on spending the rest of your life with them.  I wouldn't... 

As for her, I wouldn't dismiss him altogether because it sounds like she has genuine feelings for him and a desire to settle down, but I would think that there are some serous trust issues to be resolved - from the late confession and the rape itself.  IMO, now is not the time to even think about a wedding.  I would suggest she wait at least six months, take stock of her feelings at that time, and then reconsider.  If he truly is reformed and in love he should understand why she's reluctant and have no problem waiting until she's more comfortable. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on March 16, 2005, 01:15:56 PM
Hell no! :o

Disclaimer: I have extreme views on what should happen to proven rapists.

With that said, HELL NO!  I don't think people who commit sexual crimes can be rehabilitated.


What if he was sexually attracted to a close friend or relative? 

I would fear for their safety as well as my own.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 16, 2005, 01:18:22 PM
i think they should go into couples therapy as a first step. that could help them to talk out some of those issues and allow her to get more of an idea of what the crimes were about to him etc.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 16, 2005, 01:19:50 PM
We all know that rape is a very serious offense that's about more than sex.  Usually the perp has domination, power, control issues.  I would want to see evidence that he had resolved those issues before I even considered remaining friends with the guy - letalone marrying him.  It's nice that he finally made the confession.  I personally can't fault the guy for holding it back all this time.  Afterall why would you tell someone something like that unless you planned on spending the rest of your life with them.  I wouldn't... 

On one hand I understand his reluctance, but on the other hand I don't. This lady deserved to be told. And I might as well just put myself out there, but I dated someone a while ago who had a long ass rap sheet. He sat down with me and told me about his past and showed it to me. He gave me the choice to determine whether or not I wanted to continue the relationship within the first few months of us meeting, not years after, and after I've fallen in love with him. Can you imagine the kind of pain and confusion this poor woman is going through? It's all about honesty. How does she know that everytime something happens he won't keep it from her? It's in the same way that men will lie to woman, tell them what they want to hear, or don't respond at all just b/c they know if they tell them the truth (like, they just want to @#!*) the women will be out. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but I have no sympathy for liars, let alone rapists.

As for her, I wouldn't dismiss him altogether because it sounds like she has genuine feelings for him and a desire to settle down, but I would think that there are some serous trust issues to be resolved - from the late confession and the rape itself.  IMO, now is not the time to even think about a wedding.  I would suggest she wait at least six months, take stock of her feelings at that time, and then reconsider.  If he truly is reformed and in love he should understand why she's reluctant and have no problem waiting until she's more comfortable.  


This I agree with. I feel so bad for her.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 16, 2005, 01:32:12 PM
On one hand I understand his reluctance, but on the other hand I don't. This lady deserved to be told. And I might as well just put myself out there, but I dated someone a while ago who had a long ass rap sheet. He sat down with me and told me about his past and showed it to me. He gave me the choice to determine whether or not I wanted to continue the relationship within the first few months of us meeting, not years after, and after I've fallen in love with him. Can you imagine the kind of pain and confusion this poor woman is going through? It's all about honesty. How does she know that everytime something happens he won't keep it from her? It's in the same way that men will lie to woman, tell them what they want to hear, or don't respond at all just b/c they know if they tell them the truth (like, they just want to #@!*) the women will be out. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but I have no sympathy for liars, let alone rapists.

This is true.. And when you put it that way, I agree.  The guy you dated definitely did the standup thing by putting it all out there and letting you decide - that's what I would want.  I do feel some sympathy for the rapist though.  I'm guessing not many women would decide to stay if confronted with something like that early on.  And I do believe that sexual offenders can be rehabilitated.  That's some sick sh%$ though (sex offenders in general).  Its actually a very sad situation for both of them which could have been avoided if he'd been honest :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 16, 2005, 02:00:35 PM
i agree that the guy should have told her earlier.  there's no question about that one.  if you're asking whether the woman should stay with the man, if i was her, i would stay.

but yeah, something like that happened to me too.  it was messed up.  i had started seeing some random guy i met.  he was pretty cute and he was nice and protective of me.  i liked him, and we got along well, but there were little things about him that confused me, like him having to be home by a certain hour or having to go out of town for certain things.  one night he's like, "i have to tell you something."  he proceeded to tell me that he had been convicted of like stalking some girl or assaulting her or maybe even raping her.  i don't remember.  he had been let loose on probation and he had some pretty strict orders to adhere to.  among them was being home before sundown and weekly meetings out of town for his problem, after which he would go and pick up trash from the side of the road.  i thought he was kidding until he showed me his ankle bracelet or whatever that thing is.

needless to say, i ran straight for the hills and never looked back.   :o
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 16, 2005, 02:08:08 PM
But girls, what if he has a big dong?  ;)

JK

kinda... LOL
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 16, 2005, 02:10:01 PM
But girls, what if he has a big dong?  ;)

JK

kinda... LOL


the idiot i was talking about was a mexican. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 16, 2005, 02:14:34 PM
But girls, what if he has a big dong?  ;)

JK

kinda... LOL


the idiot i was talking about was a mexican. 

LOL. Why do you dog mexican men like that? Aren't you mexican?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 16, 2005, 02:50:45 PM
But girls, what if he has a big dong?  ;)

JK

kinda... LOL


the idiot i was talking about was a mexican. 

LOL. Why do you dog mexican men like that? Aren't you mexican?


haha.  i knew someone would call me on that.  i didn't think it would be you.  i am a mexican, and i love it.  but i do not like the men of my race.  they're all machistas who mistreat their women and expect them to always be inferior to them.  as soon as a woman starts to move up, he has a jealous hissy fit and tries to thwart her progress.  they beat their women, cheat on them, and lack the balls to respect them.

i can say this.  i am a mexican.  i know how they are because i've lived every negative aspect of these men.  my friends and all my exes, even some of my cousins-- all dogs.  i'm not being cynical or sterotyping.  i'm being real.  i've been hurt by many a mexican bastard in the past, and i refuse to go back to one.

of course, there are exceptions to the rule, but my experience through my work with immigrant women has only helped to strengthen my opinion.


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on March 16, 2005, 05:30:58 PM
black people are all drug dealers and violentn not to mention loud and obnoxious. :o  I can say that of course because I am black.   :P
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 16, 2005, 05:37:45 PM
black people are all drug dealers and violentn not to mention loud and obnoxious. :o  I can say that of course because I am black.   :P

and they can't spell...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 16, 2005, 07:28:13 PM
black people are all drug dealers and violentn not to mention loud and obnoxious. :o  I can say that of course because I am black.   :P

this is true (that you can say it bc you're black).  if i were to say something like that, one of you all would make it your mission to find me and smack my brains out.   ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on March 16, 2005, 07:49:38 PM
Who watched Americas Top Model, did ya'll see the white girl faint? Wow . . .
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 16, 2005, 07:55:08 PM
Who watched Americas Top Model, did ya'll see the white girl faint? Wow . . .

I saw it. My first reaction was  :o then it quickly changed to  :D. My own sick twisted sense of humor (hey I knew she'd be alright). That was one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life. God bless her for living with that condition.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: risingMC on March 16, 2005, 07:58:54 PM
My first reaction was to give her a sandwich. And then, when I found out that it was a "condition," I felt bad.  :-[

But I don't like the show ever since they kicked off Brita. All the girls on there have been either plus size or anorexia poster girls ... what about a little in-between here for us normal-sized gals? 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on March 16, 2005, 11:52:31 PM
My first reaction was to give her a sandwich. And then, when I found out that it was a "condition," I felt bad. :-[

But I don't like the show ever since they kicked off Brita. All the girls on there have been either plus size or anorexia poster girls ... what about a little in-between here for us normal-sized gals?

f-ing seriously.

brita vs. brandy?
brandy looked straight-up busted and is an annoying a-hole and they let brita go because she was old and weighed too much? that's when the show became unwatchable. i slept through it today.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on March 17, 2005, 12:36:06 AM
I haven't seen any of the episodes from this season, but I did watch the marathon from last season on E! a few weeks ago.  I don't even need to see this season to tell you that they make some screwed-up cuts!  Why the hell did that Amanda girl (last season) make it to the final three?  Am I the only person alive who actually saw how hideous this girl was? (Think that Japan commercial -- BARF!) I was under the impression that the premise behind being a model is that people want to look like you.  You couldn't pay me enough money to look like that ugly female dog.  WTF?  Where are they getting these contestants?!! So if you guys are saying they are cutting the wrong people, I must admit that I am not the least bit surprised, given the shows history.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on March 17, 2005, 12:49:12 AM
I haven't seen any of the episodes from this season, but I did watch the marathon from last season on E! a few weeks ago. I don't even need to see this season to tell you that they make some screwed-up cuts! Why the hell did that Amanda girl (last season) make it to the final three? Am I the only person alive who actually saw how hideous this girl was? (Think that Japan commercial -- BARF!) I was under the impression that the premise behind being a model is that people want to look like you. You couldn't pay me enough money to look like that ugly female dog. WTF? Where are they getting these contestants?!! So if you guys are saying they are cutting the wrong people, I must admit that I am not the least bit surprised, given the shows history.

they appear to have gotten all of this seasons contestents from various ghettos. every one of them has a ridiculous sob story about being a single mother/ crack whore or what have you. it's pretty weak. a sad story doesn't make up for an ugly face.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 17, 2005, 01:00:37 AM
I haven't seen any of the episodes from this season, but I did watch the marathon from last season on E! a few weeks ago. I don't even need to see this season to tell you that they make some screwed-up cuts! Why the hell did that Amanda girl (last season) make it to the final three? Am I the only person alive who actually saw how hideous this girl was? (Think that Japan commercial -- BARF!) I was under the impression that the premise behind being a model is that people want to look like you. You couldn't pay me enough money to look like that ugly female dog. WTF? Where are they getting these contestants?!! So if you guys are saying they are cutting the wrong people, I must admit that I am not the least bit surprised, given the shows history.

they appear to have gotten all of this seasons contestents from various ghettos. every one of them has a ridiculous sob story about being a single mother/ crack whore or what have you. it's pretty weak. a sad story doesn't make up for an ugly face.

Ouch!  The only one I really felt for was Estella but she got cut in the first of episode.  The rest of sob stories were just a bit overdramatic to me...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on March 17, 2005, 01:10:17 AM
I haven't seen any of the episodes from this season, but I did watch the marathon from last season on E! a few weeks ago. I don't even need to see this season to tell you that they make some screwed-up cuts! Why the hell did that Amanda girl (last season) make it to the final three? Am I the only person alive who actually saw how hideous this girl was? (Think that Japan commercial -- BARF!) I was under the impression that the premise behind being a model is that people want to look like you. You couldn't pay me enough money to look like that ugly female dog. WTF? Where are they getting these contestants?!! So if you guys are saying they are cutting the wrong people, I must admit that I am not the least bit surprised, given the shows history.

they appear to have gotten all of this seasons contestents from various ghettos. every one of them has a ridiculous sob story about being a single mother/ crack whore or what have you. it's pretty weak. a sad story doesn't make up for an ugly face.

Ouch!  The only one I really felt for was Estella but she got cut in the first of episode.  The rest of sob stories were just a bit overdramatic to me...


Lexington, you're pretty.  Have you thought about modeling?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 17, 2005, 04:37:51 AM
I haven't seen any of the episodes from this season, but I did watch the marathon from last season on E! a few weeks ago. I don't even need to see this season to tell you that they make some screwed-up cuts! Why the hell did that Amanda girl (last season) make it to the final three? Am I the only person alive who actually saw how hideous this girl was? (Think that Japan commercial -- BARF!) I was under the impression that the premise behind being a model is that people want to look like you. You couldn't pay me enough money to look like that ugly female dog. WTF? Where are they getting these contestants?!! So if you guys are saying they are cutting the wrong people, I must admit that I am not the least bit surprised, given the shows history.

they appear to have gotten all of this seasons contestents from various ghettos. every one of them has a ridiculous sob story about being a single mother/ crack whore or what have you. it's pretty weak. a sad story doesn't make up for an ugly face.

Ouch!  The only one I really felt for was Estella but she got cut in the first of episode.  The rest of sob stories were just a bit overdramatic to me...


Lexington, you're pretty.  Have you thought about modeling?

Thanks token  :) Nah, I was never really into the idea.  I've always been pretty shy and the thought of being in front of a camera was terrifying as a kid.  Now, not so much...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on March 19, 2005, 09:09:36 PM
i saw the cutest 16 year-old today. i don't mean cute like i think he was attractive, but cute like a little kid..

he had a huge gold chain, gold sunglasses, and gold braces. he held the door open for me and attempted to peddle some cd he'd made. luckily i had the boyfriend with me so when he asked if i liked hip-hop and i responded 'no' it seemed like a less obvious lie.

gold braces >> gold caps. i can just imagine him convincing his parents that he needed his braces in gold. i mean, even though you can get them like that, who does?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 20, 2005, 01:36:34 AM
JLF....may I ask what are you wearing in your avatar?  ???
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on March 20, 2005, 11:05:35 AM
http://images.lip-service.com/style_photos/master/photo_1/38-304.jpg
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 21, 2005, 01:38:17 PM
Ladies, what do you guys think of this author's opinion on why Eva instead of Yaya won America's Next Top Model?

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America’s Next Top Model 3: Redefining Beauty – Inside and Out

 
http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2004/Dec/EEN41c3466dc0152.html

Tyra Banks stated that although the two finalists are black, the panel did not base their decision by pre-determining that an African American girl had to win this season. The very fact that Tyra needed the say this spoke volumes. The fact of the matter is that America’s standard of beauty, like other American standards these days, is in transition while we, the diverse mixture of American population, are still very sensitive to defining ourselves. Reality competitions, like pageants before them, attempt to appease the vast cultural population by allocating a politically correct representation of the population by selecting a corresponding percentage of American ethnic groups. To date other reality competitions like Survivor, American Idol, and The Amazing Race had African American as well as other ethnic groups as finalists and winners. It’s not surprising then, that America’s Next Top Model would follow suit.

What I found interesting after discussing very sensitive topics within the African American community with some of my African American friends is that there are two standards of beauty that are diametrically opposed to one another, causing inner conflict for many members of the African American community. One is more Afro-centric while the other is, well…less. In an attempt at sensitivity I will say that the other is more of an ethnic blend with features that are less definable as African and perhaps more European, Asian or Indian. Finalist Yaya (21), by her own definition and supported by the community standards, is more Afro-centric, due to her classic African bone structure, complexion and hair texture. She is regal and refined, resembling I would imagine Queen Nefertiti in her prime. Finalist Eva (19) is visually more universal. She has large oval doe eyes, button nose, fairer skin tone and silkier hair. She is, well… more typical Californian in style and presentation, which is appropriate given she resides in Los Angeles. Yaya is more Nubian urban chic, which is appropriate given she is from New York City.

The significance of who wins may be lost on those of us who aren’t directly influenced by the African American experience, including myself who as a Latino raised and living in New York while receiving higher education in Washington D.C., has witnessed the issues and the effects but would never claim to know the experience, not having been born into it. But with all due respect to the African American community, it is a major issue regarding their own self-image and commercialism. The conflict has a long history, stemming back to the days of slavery whereby the outer appearance determined the placement and status of the slaves. Lighter, Euro-African or Indio African slaves were given better privileges and housing, working within the masters living quarters. The darker afro-centric slaves were forced to work the fields, enduring harsh physical labor. It seems little has changed in the past 400 years, as the standard still favors mixed breeds over traditional pure bred.

In the modeling world, the diametrical difference is best seen by comparing Tyra Banks with Naomi Campbell. Both are stunning but hold physical characteristics that set them apart. Tyra (another native Californian) has light eyes, I believe aqua-green, and dyes her hair, usually light brown, red or strawberry blonde. Because of her “red bone” complexion, she can get away with altering hair and eye colors while appearing “natural”. Naomi Campbell has very dark features, being of Jamaican decent, has dark complexion and hair. She contends that her long silky hair is natural due to some “Indian” influence but only her mother and stylist know for sure and neither one is telling. She does have the tendency to sport blue eye contact lens which do not look natural on her. Another model that should be mentioned in this comparison is Roshumba, who like Campbell, is very dark but unlike Campbell sports a natural short afro. If you haven’t heard of her, or can’t place the face to the name, then it supports the point of those who feel that the standard of African beauty is too “white-washed”.

Clearly this is a very sensitive issue and the panel had a very difficult choice to make. Looking at Yaya and Eva’s photos, either one of them could be the winner. In fact, second runner up, Amanda (25), was a close contender as well. An incandescently radiant blonde, blue-eyed beauty, she couldn’t have been more opposite to her African American competition. She represented the universal standard of beauty upheld and coveted by the majority of all ethnic groups. Two African American beauties placing higher than her made an undeniable affirmation of change and impact on the American standard of beauty. It should also be added that all three stand 5’8” or shorter, while the traditional model stands 5’9” to 5’11”. The panelists explained that they wanted a woman who was more relatable to the modern woman consumer. They wanted someone friendly and approachable. Therein laid the deciding factor that determined Eva the winner of the competition rather than Yaya. It was the beauty inside that matched the beauty outside which settled the argument of which black beauty won all.

Certainly the producers win defend their judgment to the end that it was never their intent to secure an African American winner. The fact of the matter however, was that the two finalists were black, ousting the blue-eyed blonde into third place, so a secured black winner was exactly what they got. In all fairness, Amanda had other negative factors to contend with, including her age (25 – too old to start) and her deteriorating eyesight, a major detriment in the high fashion world of runway models. Of the two, Yaya and Eva, how do they select one which would not disappoint outspoken members of the African American community? The answer was selecting the model that radiated beauty from within as well as from the surface.

We return to the example of Tyra vs. Naomi. Tyra has always represented herself as the sweet wholesome all-American girl won is universally beloved by all. Tyra is a true princess in the industry. She is welcomed in the music world, film and television, hosting America’s Next Top Model and currently in negotiations for a talk show series. She is poised to be the next Oprah Winfrey. Naomi Campbell on the other hand, is disliked by a great majority in the fashion industry. She is infamous for her temper and has been described by industry sources as difficult to work with. Her stints in rehab and anger management programs proved unsuccessful as she has numerous problems with former employees, former bosses and former beaus for mistreatment. She is a tabloid headliner usually due to negative press or failed business attempts such as her public relations agency and Fashion Café investment.

Eva earned the moniker Eva the Diva early on in the show, but her attitude toned down as the competition progressed. She seemed to mature into her professionalism and blossom into her role, both before and away from the cameras. Yaya, on the other hand, seemed to grow more egotistical and full of herself as the competition dwindled. She had five wins in the challenges and felt that she owned the competition. Her scrutiny and aloof demeanor was not reserved for the other contestants but rather dispersed with equal impunity towards the professional stylist teams and clients alike. Clearly, should Yaya have won, they may have inadvertently created another Naomi garnering the ire of many. There are few in the fashion business who would forgive the producers of America’s Next Top Model for that. In my eyes however, each one of these top three young beauties have potential and could succeed as professional models in their own right. I would also like to see Toccara (22) the African American plus size model have a successful career, being the most dynamic of the original 14 contestants. Hopefully they will take what they learned from their training along with their immeasurable exposure and make their mark. For selecting Eva as their winner in today’s transitional climate, America’s Next Top Model has achieved making theirs.

jsotomayor@elitestv.com

John Henry Sotomayor
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 21, 2005, 01:47:10 PM
I personally think the article is wack. what was her f-ing point? Where are u getting these articles? They sound like they're written by eight-graders.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 21, 2005, 01:52:01 PM
LOL. IT was written by a latino male. I attached a link to the article.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 21, 2005, 01:52:23 PM
LOL @ ladyday
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 21, 2005, 02:03:03 PM
kill the journalist
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on March 21, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
I'll tell you why YaYa and Eva were the last two finalists -- because Amanda was f-ing hideous!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 22, 2005, 12:12:06 PM
K, updated poll, it was not my idea btw.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 22, 2005, 12:25:43 PM
"u bitches need jesus." LOL.

i don't get it! whats the big deal ladies? spit or swallow? isn't it all the same? and yes, i am clueless, i admit it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 22, 2005, 12:39:12 PM
i'm curious who's idea this was for the poll.  are you gonna tell us, ladyday?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 22, 2005, 12:40:11 PM
K, updated poll, it was not my idea btw.


hahaha, awaiting the results of this poll...

and
Faith, that's a good approach to it...it's really all the same..hahaah You'll make some guy really happy down the road O0
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: cali444 on March 22, 2005, 12:48:54 PM
Ladyday, you are hilarious.   :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 22, 2005, 01:04:03 PM
wow - you people are freaks!  :o
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 22, 2005, 01:06:55 PM
wow - you people are freaks!  :o

i said it wasn't me!!   :-[ :-\ besides, so far, most of the ladies on here are praying for everyone else.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 22, 2005, 01:07:49 PM
but i must say, whatever u won't do for your man, some freaky female dog out there will, be careful.................
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 22, 2005, 01:09:57 PM
did you reset the poll?  the results are gone.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 22, 2005, 01:11:51 PM
bp suggested that i vote on this. i voted for swallow. i think it's insulting to spit. even though the aftertaste is wretched.

i would never let a guy cum on my face. chest i might consider.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 22, 2005, 01:11:57 PM
Sorry ya'll. Per request, I needed to redo the poll. Please, if you voted previously,

VOTE AGAIN OR DIE.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 22, 2005, 01:15:39 PM
Sorry ya'll. Per request, I needed to redo the poll. Please, if you voted previously,

VOTE AGAIN OR DIE.


who keeps telling you to change the poll?!?!?! 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 22, 2005, 01:27:02 PM
K, updated poll, it was not my idea btw.


hahaha, awaiting the results of this poll...

and
Faith, that's a good approach to it...it's really all the same..hahaah You'll make some guy really happy down the road O0

um, i don't think thats what i meant. i mean, what difference does it make to a guy? i figure girls just have their personal preference. and as before i admit that i'm clueless  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 22, 2005, 01:30:05 PM
K, updated poll, it was not my idea btw.


hahaha, awaiting the results of this poll...

and
Faith, that's a good approach to it...it's really all the same..hahaah You'll make some guy really happy down the road O0

um, i don't think thats what i meant. i mean, what difference does it make to a guy? i figure girls just have their personal preference. and as before i admit that i'm clueless  :-\

Um, I know that's not what you meant...just messing with ya;)

edit: and it does make a difference to guys;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 22, 2005, 01:33:54 PM
K, updated poll, it was not my idea btw.


hahaha, awaiting the results of this poll...

and
Faith, that's a good approach to it...it's really all the same..hahaah You'll make some guy really happy down the road O0

um, i don't think thats what i meant. i mean, what difference does it make to a guy? i figure girls just have their personal preference. and as before i admit that i'm clueless  :-\

Um, I know that's not what you meant...just messing with ya;)

edit: and it does make a difference to guys;)

What's the difference?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 22, 2005, 01:53:48 PM
K, updated poll, it was not my idea btw.


hahaha, awaiting the results of this poll...

and
Faith, that's a good approach to it...it's really all the same..hahaah You'll make some guy really happy down the road O0

um, i don't think thats what i meant. i mean, what difference does it make to a guy? i figure girls just have their personal preference. and as before i admit that i'm clueless  :-\

Um, I know that's not what you meant...just messing with ya;)

edit: and it does make a difference to guys;)

What's the difference?


maybe i'm wrong, but it's almost an insult for a woman to spit out a guy's semen.  that's what i've picked up.  not that i go around giving head, so don't jump me.  to me, it's something that people in a relationship do.

which reminds me, did anyone celebrate steak & bj day?  for obvious reasons, i didn't. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 22, 2005, 01:55:52 PM
K, updated poll, it was not my idea btw.


hahaha, awaiting the results of this poll...

and
Faith, that's a good approach to it...it's really all the same..hahaah You'll make some guy really happy down the road O0

um, i don't think thats what i meant. i mean, what difference does it make to a guy? i figure girls just have their personal preference. and as before i admit that i'm clueless  :-\

Um, I know that's not what you meant...just messing with ya;)

edit: and it does make a difference to guys;)

What's the difference?

Well it really depends on the individual, cause guys differ on this.  Some guys would be happy just climaxing on a woman's stomach, but for some guys it adds to the whole experience to do it on a woman's breasts, or face or in her mouth.....It might actually make the climax better (remember, there's a big mental component to sex)
Orright I'm going to have to start charging you girls for this info...hahah
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 22, 2005, 01:58:10 PM
i don't know about this steak and bj day thing..but seu, i'm mad you wrote "celebrate" like it was the 4th of July or somethin like that.  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: seu2002 on March 22, 2005, 02:04:39 PM
i don't know about this steak and bj day thing..but seu, i'm mad you wrote "celebrate" like it was the 4th of July or somethin like that.  :D

lol.  my bad.  i forgot that to some of us it's more of a chore!  LMAO!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 22, 2005, 02:06:28 PM
maybe i'm wrong, but it's almost an insult for a woman to spit out a guy's semen. that's what i've picked up.

I've actually heard that before - seems crazy to me that a man would actually be offended.  Different strokes, I suppose...

It might actually make the climax better (remember, there's a big mental component to sex)

This definitely seems more plausible IMO.  In either case, all I can say is ick!  :-\ :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 22, 2005, 02:17:36 PM
maybe i'm wrong, but it's almost an insult for a woman to spit out a guy's semen. that's what i've picked up.

I've actually heard that before - seems crazy to me that a man would actually be offended.  Different strokes, I suppose...

It might actually make the climax better (remember, there's a big mental component to sex)

This definitely seems more plausible IMO.  In either case, all I can say is ick!  :-\ :D

HAHAHAA!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on March 22, 2005, 02:23:14 PM
i've never understood what the big deal was. you've already got it in your mouth so you might as well swallow it. otherwise you'll just sort of be holding it in there until he finishes and you can find the proper recepticle to spit it into. having a mouthful of semen for an extended period of time seems way grosser than just swallowing and being done with it.

i will grant you two exceptions: 1) you don't want the extra calories 2)it makes your stomach hurt (since semen contains sorbital, a chemical that people can have bad reactions to, some girls who swallow get diarrhea soon after-- i read this in the playboy advisor).
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 22, 2005, 02:24:31 PM
i'm pretty sure it only has like 40 calories though. so unless you're giving like 10 bjs a night, it's really not going to affect your figure.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on March 22, 2005, 02:27:37 PM
i'm pretty sure it only has like 40 calories though. so unless you're giving like 10 bjs a night, it's really not going to affect your figure.

i still think it's a somewhat viable reason. 40 calories a day adds up to an extra 4 lbs at the end of the year if you don't do anything about it. although i can't really imagine giving a bj every night.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 22, 2005, 02:33:41 PM
yeah, me neither. the only time i've ever done that was as penitence for cheating on a guy. and it only lasted for a week or so.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 22, 2005, 02:34:20 PM
this convo is taking a terrible turn. someone save it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 22, 2005, 02:36:15 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Victor on March 22, 2005, 08:45:19 PM
Tim Duncan's wife:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1992505&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=522687&cdi=0


Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: TrojanChispas on March 22, 2005, 08:51:11 PM
wow...somehow not surprised though :-[
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: lil_token on March 22, 2005, 09:57:59 PM
Why isn't there an option for people that don't want it anywhere on them or in their mouth?

Personally, I am not fond of the whole oral sex thing (the giving part, that is).  If I am so nice as to do it for someone, he knows better than to bust in my mouth, perdiod! Or anywhere on my body for that matter. One word: Kleenex.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Made4law on March 23, 2005, 12:03:07 AM
Tim Duncan's wife:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1992505&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=522687&cdi=0





I bet ya SHE don't have a problem swallowing...

You ladies are funny as hell...but, the plain truth is when you enter into an exclusive relationship, i.e. marriage you are doing your spouse an injustice by not letting him fulfill his fantasy with you.  And just for GP, ejaculating in a ladies mouth does enhance the climax greatly.  If you don't do it that hot tail, 20 or 30 hell even 40 something year old receptionist in the copy room will gargle then swallow.  Just think you want your man to go down on you, with all of your various secretions happening and when you climax you don't want him to hop up and rinse his mouth out, No you want him to keep doing it or slow down until you come down....Just my 2 cents...Keep the change. ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 06:37:17 AM
Tim Duncan's wife:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1992505&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=522687&cdi=0




Victor, are u purposely trying to aggravate me, (and probably other ladies too) with this mess?  ;)

Mad4Law, shut the hell up.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 23, 2005, 07:37:11 AM
Tim Duncan's wife:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1992505&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=522687&cdi=0





I bet ya SHE don't have a problem swallowing...

You ladies are funny as hell...but, the plain truth is when you enter into an exclusive relationship, i.e. marriage you are doing your spouse an injustice by not letting him fulfill his fantasy with you.  And just for GP, ejaculating in a ladies mouth does enhance the climax greatly.  If you don't do it that hot tail, 20 or 30 hell even 40 something year old receptionist in the copy room will gargle then swallow.  Just think you want your man to go down on you, with all of your various secretions happening and when you climax you don't want him to hop up and rinse his mouth out, No you want him to keep doing it or slow down until you come down....Just my 2 cents...Keep the change. ;)

Daymn...hahah
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 23, 2005, 07:51:44 AM
Tim Duncan's wife:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1992505&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=522687&cdi=0





I bet ya SHE don't have a problem swallowing...

You ladies are funny as hell...but, the plain truth is when you enter into an exclusive relationship, i.e. marriage you are doing your spouse an injustice by not letting him fulfill his fantasy with you.  And just for GP, ejaculating in a ladies mouth does enhance the climax greatly.  If you don't do it that hot tail, 20 or 30 hell even 40 something year old receptionist in the copy room will gargle then swallow.  Just think you want your man to go down on you, with all of your various secretions happening and when you climax you don't want him to hop up and rinse his mouth out, No you want him to keep doing it or slow down until you come down....Just my 2 cents...Keep the change. ;)

Wow I've only heard guys dance around the "more intense"....Never heard anyone just say it.  Is it really that big of a difference?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 08:27:40 AM
Wow I've only heard guys dance around the "more intense"....Never heard anyone just say it.  Is it really that big of a difference?

Any guy can correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think that it makes it more "intense" per se, they just get off on it. But ya'll females are trippin with this "it's disrespectful to spit" thing. Jeebus! You just gave the man head, his ass has no cause for complaints! (unless u don't know what the hell ur doing).
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 08:28:46 AM
I need a new poll option, this one was just a request. Interesting results though.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 23, 2005, 08:35:17 AM
LOL.....Good Morning Ladyday!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 23, 2005, 08:36:47 AM
Wow I've only heard guys dance around the "more intense"....Never heard anyone just say it.  Is it really that big of a difference?

Any guy can correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think that it makes it more "intense" per se, they just get off on it. But ya'll females are trippin with this "it's disrespectful to spit" thing. Jeebus! You just gave the man head, his ass has no cause for complaints! (unless u don't know what the hell ur doing).

Consider yourself corrected:-)  While you are right, guys get off on it (mentally), there's also a physical aspect to why it's better as well.  Without going into graphic detail...it just feels better.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 08:40:07 AM
i would imagine you could compare it to either coming inside or withrawing and coming on the stomach or something. i would think that it would feel better inside. more fulfilling.

and i guess that if i'm giving a guy head, i clearly like him enough to be doing that. and no, he has no right to complain or whatever, but i wouldn't want him to feel bad that i had to go spit it out right away. i just feel like it might deflate him a bit to spit. i mean, it's not my favorite thing to do, but i'm gonna pretend i don't mind or even like it when i'm with a guy i like.

although i do want to brush my teeth pretty quickly afterwards. and drink a nice big glass of ice water.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 08:42:46 AM
LOL.....Good Morning Ladyday!

Mornin  ;)

Any ideas on a poll?

And BP, I stand corrected  :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: rohan on March 23, 2005, 08:46:42 AM
LOL.....Good Morning Ladyday!

Mornin  ;)

Any ideas on a poll?

And BP, I stand corrected  :)

Yeah, funny poll choices..hahaha...
For the record, (from my point of view), spitting afterwards is fine....by that point most men are fast asleep anyhow...hhaah JK, but really who cares by then?

Morning Lady...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 08:47:24 AM
i would imagine you could compare it to either coming inside or withrawing and coming on the stomach or something. i would think that it would feel better inside. more fulfilling.

and i guess that if i'm giving a guy head, i clearly like him enough to be doing that. and no, he has no right to complain or whatever, but i wouldn't want him to feel bad that i had to go spit it out right away. i just feel like it might deflate him a bit to spit. i mean, it's not my favorite thing to do, but i'm gonna pretend i don't mind or even like it when i'm with a guy i like.

although i do want to brush my teeth pretty quickly afterwards. and drink a nice big glass of ice water.

i feel ya. and jlf too, u might as well swallow instead of fiddling around looking for something to spit it into. but i don't see it as "disrespectful" per se (my new word of the day). maybe chicks who don't swallow should carry around kleenex, like men carry condoms "just in case"
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 23, 2005, 08:53:41 AM
LOL.....Good Morning Ladyday!

Mornin  ;)

Any ideas on a poll?

And BP, I stand corrected  :)

No ideas yet....but I'll think on it.

i would imagine you could compare it to either coming inside or withrawing and coming on the stomach or something. i would think that it would feel better inside. more fulfilling.

and i guess that if i'm giving a guy head, i clearly like him enough to be doing that. and no, he has no right to complain or whatever, but i wouldn't want him to feel bad that i had to go spit it out right away. i just feel like it might deflate him a bit to spit. i mean, it's not my favorite thing to do, but i'm gonna pretend i don't mind or even like it when i'm with a guy i like.

although i do want to brush my teeth pretty quickly afterwards. and drink a nice big glass of ice water.

i feel ya. and jlf too, u might as well swallow instead of fiddling around looking for something to spit it into. but i don't see it as "disrespectful" per se (my new word of the day). maybe chicks who don't swallow should carry around kleenex, like men carry condoms "just in case"

 :D JIC....Man I laughed outloud 4 real on that one.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 08:56:16 AM
A combo of in my face/on my breasts/ & swallow
 I don't give head, & the rest of u bitches need Jesus


Who came up with those choices?! I about spit out my drinking water when I read them.

 ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 10:03:30 AM
Ok, i changed the poll, and no i'm not allowing just anyone to view it, i want to see what the women would say. Guys, I will post the results afterwards so please don't vote. This is a simple yes or no poll. Imagine that u have no idea who the person is, they could be ugly, gorgeous, man, woman. And yes I made it that dollar amount for a reason. Would u do it?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 10:05:32 AM
i'm the only one to vote so far, so i guess you know what i said...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 10:16:59 AM
i'm the only one to vote so far, so i guess you know what i said...

 ;D well now we both know what each other would do.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 23, 2005, 10:27:47 AM
LMAO at the poll results!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on March 23, 2005, 10:37:12 AM
rofl I'm mad you took that poll down before I could vote....
 ;) :D ;D :P
you guys need Jesus
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 10:42:31 AM
rofl I'm mad you took that poll down before I could vote....
 ;) :D ;D :P
you guys need Jesus

I had a friend named Jesus once. He used to tell me how he used to skeet skeet skeet all on girls faces.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on March 23, 2005, 10:44:39 AM
man shut up.  your mom don't want her business all out there
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 10:47:21 AM
man shut up.  your mom don't want her business all out there

What's up with all the mamma jokes? That's not very nice etruman. You seem a little hostile. Did my boy Jesus get to you?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 10:48:07 AM
skeet skeet skeet
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 10:50:27 AM
LMAO at the poll results!
:D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 10:52:40 AM
I see that I'm the only one that's voted No so far... how's everyone today?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 10:55:37 AM
I see that I'm the only one that's voted No so far... how's everyone today?

hahaha!

she got you freaks!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 10:58:20 AM
damn Reign!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on March 23, 2005, 10:58:41 AM
negro, you are so silly--it gives a whole new meaning to the Lord works in mysterious ways
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 11:01:34 AM
damn Reign!

Hey I just think that sex (the art of love making) is too sacred to put a price tag on it. I don't care how pressed for cash I may be or how attractive the man offering the $$$ is....it's just not going down like that with me..
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 23, 2005, 11:06:22 AM
Actually the $ could come from your SO.....as the poll is really general! ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 11:08:31 AM
Actually the $ could come from your SO.....as the poll is really general! ;)

LOL :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 11:09:21 AM
damn Reign!

Hey I just think that sex (the art of love making) is too sacred to put a price tag on it. I don't care how pressed for cash I may be or how attractive the man offering the $$$ is....it's just not going down like that with me..

A woman with character. I salute you.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 11:09:51 AM
damn Reign!

Hey I just think that sex (the art of love making) is too sacred to put a price tag on it. I don't care how pressed for cash I may be or how attractive the man offering the $$$ is....it's just not going down like that with me..

Can't fault u for that. And I believe that sex is sacred too. But I guess I come from the line of thinking that all women are pretty much prostitutes. Every time a man pays for dinner or buys you anything he's essentially paying for the opportunity to eventually @#!* you. So in this case scenario, ya might as well put all the bs aside and get it over with in one shot and walk away with your money instead of wasting time (and if you're married) years to get paid. And I made it 100K instead of something like a million to see just how broke some of us are  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 11:11:07 AM
Actually the $ could come from your SO.....as the poll is really general! ;)

See what I mean.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: shiveringjenny on March 23, 2005, 11:15:25 AM
Actually the $ could come from your SO.....as the poll is really general! ;)

See what I mean.
yeah, the poll was way to vague for me not to put yes-- if you want to pay me a hundred grand to, say, tape me sleeping with my bf, i don't really give a *&^%.
but i don't sleep with random guys. and i don't care how much money they have-- i've seen law and order:special victims unit too many times to be f-ing around.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 11:16:40 AM
damn Reign!

Hey I just think that sex (the art of love making) is too sacred to put a price tag on it. I don't care how pressed for cash I may be or how attractive the man offering the $$$ is....it's just not going down like that with me..

Can't fault u for that. And I believe that sex is sacred too. But I guess I come from the line of thinking that all women are pretty much prostitutes. Every time a man pays for dinner or buys you anything he's essentially paying for the opportunity to eventually @#!* you. So in this case scenario, ya might as well put all the bs aside and get it over with in one shot and walk away with your money instead of wasting time (and if you're married) years to get paid. And I made it 100K instead of something like a million to see just how broke some of us are  :D

can't say i disagree, but wow, you're such a realist. or pessimist. i guess i'm not sure.

and brave, did you vote? which way? because i might be able to scrape up 100k...  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 11:24:30 AM
Actually the $ could come from your SO.....as the poll is really general! ;)

See what I mean.
yeah, the poll was way to vague for me not to put yes-- if you want to pay me a hundred grand to, say, tape me sleeping with my bf, i don't really give a *&^%.
but i don't sleep with random guys. and i don't care how much money they have-- i've seen law and order:special victims unit too many times to be f-ing around.

stop trying to be slick u bitches!  :D I already stated previously that u don't know the person, they could be ugly, beautiful, a man or a woman. besides, even if u didn't read that, no matter how vague it is ya'll know exactly what I meant.

And ekc: I consider myself a realist. Some people call it pessimism though b/c it hurts too much to look at just how real things are. Unless u follow the Yoruba faith or something (where women are revered and have more than 1 husband) our world as a whole is male based. 
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 23, 2005, 11:26:25 AM
damn Reign!

Hey I just think that sex (the art of love making) is too sacred to put a price tag on it. I don't care how pressed for cash I may be or how attractive the man offering the $$$ is....it's just not going down like that with me..

I don't see the act as a whole as being any less sacred as long as its not a regular thing. IMO, what makes it sacred is the person you share it with. $100k is a lot of money.  In fact, its potentially life changing.  When I think about the poverty and despair and the difference that that type of money could make, it almost seems crazy not take it.  The person who's offering obviously has way too much of it and I could *potentially* do something more meaningful with it.

Knowing that its all hypothetical, one can't *really* say what they would do BUT... if that happened to me I would use the money to put a kid (or a couple kids) through prep school. That's just an example based on what's important to me, but it could be anything.  I think there are ways in which you could use the money that make it worth the sacrifice.  In any event, I'm not passin!

ok, enough of my idealistic babble...  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 23, 2005, 11:27:20 AM
Actually the $ could come from your SO.....as the poll is really general! ;)

See what I mean.

lol
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 11:30:19 AM
lady... i totally went through a phase where i thought guys were incapable of falling in love... so i guess i can relate to how you feel. that changed, though, when i met my ex. although maybe that was just me being an optimist. there were times that i thought it was crazy how much he loved me. that was all a very long time ago ::)


And ekc: I consider myself a realist. Some people call it pessimism though b/c it hurts too much to look at just how real things are. Unless u follow the Yoruba faith or something (where women are revered and have more than 1 husband) our world as a whole is male based.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 11:31:33 AM
damn Reign!

Hey I just think that sex (the art of love making) is too sacred to put a price tag on it. I don't care how pressed for cash I may be or how attractive the man offering the $$$ is....it's just not going down like that with me..

I don't see the act as a whole as being any less sacred as long as its not a regular thing. IMO, what makes it sacred is the person you share it with. $100k is a lot of money.  In fact, its potentially life changing.  When I think about the poverty and despair and the difference that that type of money could make, it almost seems crazy not take it.  The person who's offering obviously has way too much of it and I could *potentially* do something more meaningful with it.

Knowing that its all hypothetical, one can't *really* say what they would do BUT... if that happened to me I would use the money to put a kid (or a couple kids) through prep school. That's just an example based on what's important to me, but it could be anything.  I think there are ways in which you could use the money that make it worth the sacrifice.  In any event, I'm not passin!

ok, enough of my idealistic babble...  :D :D :D

Lex, just playin devil's advocate (as I agree with u) but what's really the difference between getting paid for sex once and doing it more than once. Either way, aren't u a prostitute?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 11:32:49 AM
damn Reign!

Hey I just think that sex (the art of love making) is too sacred to put a price tag on it. I don't care how pressed for cash I may be or how attractive the man offering the $$$ is....it's just not going down like that with me..

I don't see the act as a whole as being any less sacred as long as its not a regular thing. IMO, what makes it sacred is the person you share it with. $100k is a lot of money.  In fact, its potentially life changing.  When I think about the poverty and despair and the difference that that type of money could make, it almost seems crazy not take it.  The person who's offering obviously has way too much of it and I could *potentially* do something more meaningful with it.

Knowing that its all hypothetical, one can't *really* say what they would do BUT... if that happened to me I would use the money to put a kid (or a couple kids) through prep school. That's just an example based on what's important to me, but it could be anything.  I think there are ways in which you could use the money that make it worth the sacrifice.  In any event, I'm not passin!

ok, enough of my idealistic babble...  :D :D :D

what about a hundred bucks? Do you know how many veggie burgers you can buy with that? Think about.  :-*

Jk... lol   ;)  ;) :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
Oh, i believe that men fall in love. don't stop being an optimist and idealist! just don't allow it to make you completely blind to how things really are.

lady... i totally went through a phase where i thought guys were incapable of falling in love... so i guess i can relate to how you feel. that changed, though, when i met my ex. although maybe that was just me being an optimist. there were times that i thought it was crazy how much he loved me. that was all a very long time ago ::)


And ekc: I consider myself a realist. Some people call it pessimism though b/c it hurts too much to look at just how real things are. Unless u follow the Yoruba faith or something (where women are revered and have more than 1 husband) our world as a whole is male based.

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 11:35:30 AM
what about a hundred bucks? Do you know how many veggie burgers you can buy with that? Think about.  :-*

Jk... lol   ;)  ;) :)

i was waiting for it...........why am i not shocked it came from RBG  ::)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 11:38:49 AM
what about a hundred bucks? Do you know how many veggie burgers you can buy with that? Think about.  :-*

Jk... lol   ;)  ;) :)

i was waiting for it...........why am i not shocked it came from RBG  ::)

Can I get a long hug for 5 dollars?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 23, 2005, 11:39:02 AM
damn Reign!

Hey I just think that sex (the art of love making) is too sacred to put a price tag on it. I don't care how pressed for cash I may be or how attractive the man offering the $$$ is....it's just not going down like that with me..

I don't see the act as a whole as being any less sacred as long as its not a regular thing. IMO, what makes it sacred is the person you share it with. $100k is a lot of money.  In fact, its potentially life changing.  When I think about the poverty and despair and the difference that that type of money could make, it almost seems crazy not take it.  The person who's offering obviously has way too much of it and I could *potentially* do something more meaningful with it.

Knowing that its all hypothetical, one can't *really* say what they would do BUT... if that happened to me I would use the money to put a kid (or a couple kids) through prep school. That's just an example based on what's important to me, but it could be anything.  I think there are ways in which you could use the money that make it worth the sacrifice.  In any event, I'm not passin!

ok, enough of my idealistic babble...  :D :D :D

Lex, just playin devil's advocate (as I agree with u) but what's really the difference between getting paid for sex once and doing it more than once. Either way, aren't u a prostitute?

By definition, yes.  But IMO one time (or maybe a couple times even) isn't enough to change your whole outlook on sex.  Day in, day out, all day long, for the price of a veggie burger is something totally different entirely and is bound to have an effect on the way you view your body and the intimacy associated with sex.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 11:41:14 AM
Wow, I'm really shocked that some of you guys would lay on their back for just 100K. Is that how much your dignity is worth? Trust me as attorneys you guys can make that much in a year. Money isn't worth one's self esteem. Besides what if the sex is bad? LOL.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on March 23, 2005, 11:43:38 AM
lol.  what yoruba faith are you talking about?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 11:51:50 AM
Wow, I'm really shocked that some of you guys would lay on their back for just 100K. Is that how much your dignity is worth? Trust me as attorneys you guys can make that much in a year. Money isn't worth one's self esteem. Besides what if the sex is bad? LOL.

That's if someone would lose their self-esteem. But it's really not about judging. Unless you're a virgin no woman can pass judgment on another woman (and not really in that case) in re: to this issue. For the most part i'm just being an jerk, but think about it in this way, think about your past or current bf. How many times did you or do you have sex. Has he spent $100K on you? Doubt it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 11:53:03 AM
lol.  what yoruba faith are you talking about?

ummm the yoruba faith.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 11:55:56 AM
i'm converting. and i've already chosen my first two husband: brad pitt and colin farrell
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 11:58:20 AM
I just know that there are other ways to get 100k ya'll.. who's been watching Indecent Proposal LOL?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 23, 2005, 11:58:48 AM
hmmm, i wouldn't do it. but i can't really say that i would hate on someone who did. i just know that personally, sex like that wouldn't do anything to help my self-esteem or self image. it would probably hurt it.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 12:00:13 PM
Ladyday, having sex within the confides of a relationship cannot be compared to prostitution (which is basically sleeping with someone in exchange for monetary goods). Human beings are judgmental creatures and personally I have a serious problem with ANYONE taking money for sex. It's pathetic and sends the wrong message. Anyone with self respect wouldn't sleep with someone for money. Earn it like everyone else.

EKC: My mother practices the Yoruba faith. AT first I was skeptical but the more I learn about it, the more I'm becoming interested in exploring that option. Believe it or not the Yoruba have pretty much the same principles as Christianity. Unfortunately Western society has pegged religious practice that go outside of Christianity paganism or devil worship.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 12:02:54 PM
Ladyday, having sex within the confides of a relationship cannot be compared to prostitution (which is basically sleeping with someone in exchange for monetary goods). Human beings are judgmental creatures and personally I have a serious problem with ANYONE taking money for sex. It's pathetic and sends the wrong message. Anyone with self respect wouldn't sleep with someone for money. Earn it like everyone else.



fighting words?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 12:05:07 PM
RM, it looks interesting. I just googled it for more info.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 23, 2005, 12:06:17 PM
RM, it looks interesting. I just googled it for more info.

lol....So did I. :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 12:07:06 PM
Careful with some Yoruba websites b/c they aren't legit. There are a lot of con artist out there claming to be Yoruba priest when in fact they are just another cult trying to steal money from people. I have some links saved on my home computer (I'm at work right now). I can send them to you if you like. I actually wrote one of my honor's thesis about the Yoruba tradition and how it influences modern day politics in Nigeria. Interesting stuff.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 12:07:36 PM
i'm printing some stuff off and i'm gonna send it to brad and colin. i'll let you guys know how it works out.  ;)

this website was yoruba.org i think. seemed legit.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 23, 2005, 12:08:22 PM
Anyone with self respect wouldn't sleep with someone for money. Earn it like everyone else.

Wow! This convo is really getting out of hand but I guess everyone's entitled to their opinion..
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 12:08:44 PM
hmmm, i wouldn't do it. but i can't really say that i would hate on someone who did. i just know that personally, sex like that wouldn't do anything to help my self-esteem or self image. it would probably hurt it.

I agree with you 100%


RM isn't Iyanla a Yoruba Priestess?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 12:14:41 PM
Ladyday, having sex within the confides of a relationship cannot be compared to prostitution (which is basically sleeping with someone in exchange for monetary goods). Human beings are judgmental creatures and personally I have a serious problem with ANYONE taking money for sex. It's pathetic and sends the wrong message. Anyone with self respect wouldn't sleep with someone for money. Earn it like everyone else.

Actually I do compare having sex within the confides of a relationship to prostitution. I've explained how previously. But looking at it that way takes away the warm and fuzzy feeling, and makes people uncomfortable. I know right, is it possible that YOU are no better than a prostitute, and possibly a cheap one?

And please explain to me what u know about earning money and supporting self?

On the real, I'm not even going to go there with you. You are entitled to your own opinion, and just b/c people tend to be judgmental, doesn't make it right.



Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 12:16:03 PM
I'm not sure. I have to ask my mom. There are differetnt sects I believe. I wouldn't be surprised if she was. Blq, one of your sorority sisters Harriette Cole who wrote "How to Be: A  Guide to Contemporary Living for African Americans, "  has a whole chapter in her book dedicated to sprituality and the practice Yoruba and how it has influenced her life.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 12:17:24 PM
 oh boy...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: MsJay9 on March 23, 2005, 12:18:03 PM
right....
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 12:18:49 PM
I'm not sure. I have to ask my mom. There are differetnt sects I believe. I wouldn't be surprised if she was. Blq, one of your sorority sisters Harriette Cole who wrote "How to Be: A  Guide to Contemporary Living for African Americans, "  has a whole chapter in her book dedicated to sprituality and the practice Yoruba and how it has influenced her life.

I'll have to check that out
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on March 23, 2005, 12:19:10 PM
yes Iyanla is a Yoruba "priestess."  I don't mean to discount the role of women in Yoruba culture, but traditional polygamous marriages almost always involved the man having multiple wives and not vice versa--in fact if you look at the whole traditional engagement ceremony it involves a bride price being paid--not something most modern feminists would be jumping up and down about.

edit:she is a priestess to the extent that anyone can take traditional beliefs and then start their own variation of "truth telling"
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 12:19:20 PM
Anyone with self respect wouldn't sleep with someone for money. Earn it like everyone else.

Wow! This convo is really getting out of hand but I guess everyone's entitled to their opinion..

it was fun and lighthearted, and that's why I liked it when it was really anonymous, people were being funny (and really honest), I was lmao at the first results.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 23, 2005, 12:25:27 PM
Anyone with self respect wouldn't sleep with someone for money. Earn it like everyone else.

Wow! This convo is really getting out of hand but I guess everyone's entitled to their opinion..

it was fun and lighthearted, and that's why I liked it when it was really anonymous, people were being funny (and really honest), I was lmao at the first results.

Sucks...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 12:27:04 PM
damn Reign!

Hey I just think that sex (the art of love making) is too sacred to put a price tag on it. I don't care how pressed for cash I may be or how attractive the man offering the $$$ is....it's just not going down like that with me..

Can't fault u for that. And I believe that sex is sacred too. But I guess I come from the line of thinking that all women are pretty much prostitutes. Every time a man pays for dinner or buys you anything he's essentially paying for the opportunity to eventually @#!* you. So in this case scenario, ya might as well put all the bs aside and get it over with in one shot and walk away with your money instead of wasting time (and if you're married) years to get paid. And I made it 100K instead of something like a million to see just how broke some of us are  :D

Damn, I missed the storm of posts in the last hour! 

If this is true, I've been severely overpaying for anything I've gotten in the last 20 yrs :P :D

 :D u may have been  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 12:28:28 PM
Ladyday, having sex within the confides of a relationship cannot be compared to prostitution (which is basically sleeping with someone in exchange for monetary goods). Human beings are judgmental creatures and personally I have a serious problem with ANYONE taking money for sex. It's pathetic and sends the wrong message. Anyone with self respect wouldn't sleep with someone for money. Earn it like everyone else.

Actually I do compare having sex within the confides of a relationship to prostitution. I've explained how previously. But looking at it that way takes away the warm and fuzzy feeling, and makes people uncomfortable. I know right, is it possible that YOU are no better than a prostitute, and possibly a cheap one?

And please explain to me what u know about earning money and supporting self?

On the real, I'm not even going to go there with you. You are entitled to your own opinion, and just b/c people tend to be judgmental, doesn't make it right.





Wow aren't we rather antagonistic this morning?  This should be fun. First of all don’t get my online persona twisted with what I do in my every day life. I know what it’s like to work  and be self sufficient. Yes my parents have helped me and provided the tools necessary to be functional in this crazy place called life. However, the topic isn’t about me, it’s about men and women who justifying sleeping with someone for money. Sex is supposed to be sacred and prostitution exploits the sexuality of both men and women. Who in their right mind grows up saying hey I’m going to have some man depositing his sperm inside of me for a few dollars. Disgusting. Perhaps this is where upbringing comes into play because I honestly cannot fathom someone justifying prostitution or even comparing it to being in a relationship. Along with taking money in exchange for sex, I think killing, robbing, lying, or harming another human being for monetary means is also wrong.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 12:30:59 PM
 :o

Regal has spoken!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 23, 2005, 12:31:22 PM
It's pathetic and sends the wrong message. Anyone with self respect wouldn't sleep with someone for money. Earn it like everyone else.


hmmm, i agree i wouldn't do it considering the poll question. but regal what about people who are forced to do so out of necessity? it is sad, but i don't think its possible for everyone to earn money the "American way." the sex trade (internationally) has a disproportionate impact on women of color and i have different feelings about that.

oh and i was in an african dance troupe and met more than one person who was apart of the Yoruba faith. there is a village in one of the carolinas that is devoted to replicating the Yoruba way of life. and alot of people compare candomble (Brazil i think) and voodun (Haiti) to the Yoruba principles.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 12:32:38 PM
If this is true, I've been severely overpaying for anything I've gotten in the last 20 yrs :P :D


yes, but that's entirely your own fault.  ;)


let's see, how much did I spend last Saturday...? ;)

hey, i might have been willing, you never know...  ;) :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 12:37:10 PM
The point is, dating and taking someone out is not prostitution. If you guys see dating that way then I feel sorry for you. I wonder what your motives are for going out with that person. Obviously if it is just for sex, I can understand why you are able to compare dating to prostitution.

faith: I'm not counting women who live in a 3rd world countries and forced into prostitution. That's a whole different dicussion right there. Those women are exploited and have no other means to escape that lifestyle. Most of those women who try to escape that lifestyle are often beaten or killed. My argument is in reference to people who willfully take money for sex when they have other opprotunities avaliable to them.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 12:37:59 PM
Wow aren't we rather antagonistic this morning?  This should be fun. First of all don’t get my online persona twisted with what I do in my every day life. I know what it’s like to work  and be self sufficient. Yes my parents have helped me and provided the tools necessary to be functional in this crazy place called life. However, the topic isn’t about me, it’s about men and women who justifying sleeping with someone for money. Sex is supposed to be sacred and prostitution exploits the sexuality of both men and women. Who in their right mind grows up saying hey I’m going to have some man depositing his sperm inside of me for a few dollars. Disgusting. Perhaps this is where upbringing comes into play because I honestly cannot fathom someone justifying prostitution or even comparing it to being in a relationship. Along with taking money in exchange for sex, I think killing, robbing, lying, or harming another human being for monetary means is also wrong.

Cute.

I'm not attempting to justify prostitution, I just have my own views on the dynamics of the male/female relationship.

And the discussion was fun, until people came with this judgmental, pretentious, attitudes. This including you, with the little jabs and attempts at insulting people.

I'm not going to get into a trading insults match with you, it seems to be what u live to do, and I'm not with it.

No need to try and impress. FYI he doesn't read this thread.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 12:39:41 PM
so um... NCAA games..  :-\
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 12:42:13 PM
so um... NCAA games..  :-\

look what you started blk! Just look at what you did! And although I can't prove it, I bet etruman had something to do with it too. There is always a negress stirring up stuff behind the scenes.  :D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 12:43:07 PM
:o

Regal has spoken!

RBG shut yo ass up or get the hell outta this thread!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 12:44:06 PM
Wow where is this all coming from? I'm actually quite amused right now. So humor me, who am I trying to impress?  :P

My views on selling one's body for money aren't pretentious. If you are an able body man or woman who is willing to sell themselves cheap for 100K then that is your issue to contend with. There is always a choice (at least in America. I can't say the same thing for young men and women in Africa or other parts of the world). I would rather clean toilets than sleep with someone for money. This all boils down to self respect. If you think that's pretentious then so be it. But the funny part about it is that your "personal" opinion of me really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 12:44:25 PM

Well... I was reading this article a little bit earlier...and since this seems to be a good time for a paradigm shift....

What are your thoughts?


Commentary: There’s Nothing Godly About Preachers Preying on their Female Congregants

Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2005
By: Tonyaa Weathersbee

You would think that the prayers would be for the victim. But sometimes, when it comes to protecting the celebrated among us, we black folks have a way of turning the concept of victimization on its head.

This happened recently in a courtroom in Jacksonville, Fla. This brother, the Rev. Alexie Kelly, was there to be sentenced for having sex with a 13-year-old girl in his congregation – during the course of a three-month affair. The good reverend is 34, which makes that a felony.

But the type of justice that the congregants wanted the judge to carry out wasn’t on behalf of the girl, but on behalf of Kelly. They blamed the “forces of evil,” for trying to discredit a preacher who had helped to rebuild and restore their church, and they begged the judge to go easy on him.

Even the girl’s mother bought into that craziness – saying that the reverend had confessed his sin, and that putting him in jail wouldn’t restore her daughter’s virginity. As if her child’s lost virginity, rather than her stolen esteem and Kelly’s betrayal, was the issue here.

But what the mother said got to the judge. According to The Florida Times-Union, her testimony influenced his decision to give Kelly six months in jail and three years probation. Sentencing guidelines for statutory rape in Florida call for five to 30 years in prison.

The Times-Union story described the courtroom scene as that of an old-fashioned prayer meeting, because the support for Kelly was so intense.

I say it was the scene of more crimes.

First of all, young black girls –– especially those between the ages of nine and 12 –– are more frequently the victims of sexual abuse than white girls in that age range. By going to bat for the preacher instead of for his victim, the congregants did nothing to thwart that pattern.

It was also criminal that no father spoke to defend his daughter’s honor as her mother was making her mealy-mouthed defense of her child’s rapist.

But perhaps the most appalling aspect to all of this is that by turning Kelly into a victim of the “forces of evil” rather than his own misconduct, the church members, like members of many churches around the country, missed the chance to send a message that sorely needs to be sent: that preachers who prey on female congregants –– especially teenagers –– won’t escape consequences from the membership.

This is important. More preachers are preying on females instead of praying with them.

Back in 1998, for example, Marcia L. Dyson, the wife of the Rev. Michael Eric Dyson, a renowned author, commentator and professor, wrote a riveting piece in Essence magazine about preachers who now see the 70 percent of black women who make up church memberships as ripe not only for spiritual leadership, but for lechery as well. Many know that these days, with the dearth of black men as husbands and fathers in the lives of many black women and girls, they can quickly fill a need that tends to go unfilled for too many black women. Which means that when a preacher crosses the line, the instinct leans toward protecting him rather than getting justice for the victim.
 
Now I’m all for forgiving people for their sins. Forgiveness is divine. But by making such a show of begging for leniency for a 34-year-old preacher who was so out of control that he couldn’t keep his hands off an adolescent girl, the congregants fed into some damaging perceptions. Among other things, they tacitly encouraged the notion, one that has been around since slavery, that all black girls are little temptresses-in-waiting and that the laws designed to protect girls against the men who would prey on their vulnerabilities and immaturities don’t apply to them.

By turning Kelly into a victim and allowing him to keep his job –– one that will, at some point, surely put him in contact with other young girls –– says that they care more about preserving the bricks and mortar of the church than protecting its most vulnerable members.

And that’s what’s really sad
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 12:46:10 PM
so um... NCAA games..  :-\

look what you started blk! Just look at what you did! And although I can't prove it, I bet etruman had something to do with it too. There is always a negress stirring up stuff behind the scenes.  :D

man.. I was just being honest... I was surprised to see at that time that I was the only person that voted no... I didn't start ish...  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 12:48:02 PM
RBG....Would you have sex for a pork chop? ::
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 23, 2005, 12:48:50 PM
i gotcha regal. so guys, i want to keep it lighthearted i do! and this was sorta funny to me.

i have a friend who graduated from an ivy league school. she has 2 friends, both of whom are high-class prostitutes. both from top schools (one ivy, one just like an ivy), one even graduated from law school and one has her own madame business for men who want to have an escort who is intelligent/looks good and are willing to get down i guess. they decided after graduation that they preferred to do that than any other job they could think of. what do y'all think of that? personally when i heard her story i thought, damn, my mama would beat my ass for some ish like that.  :P
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 12:49:30 PM
:o

Regal has spoken!

RBG shut yo ass up or get the hell outta this thread!

Oooooooh. You're fiesty. I like that. I'll be good. Unless you want me to be bad.  ;)

jk. Calm down... trying to add a lil' levity...  :)

so um... NCAA games..  :-\

look what you started blk! Just look at what you did! And although I can't prove it, I bet etruman had something to do with it too. There is always a negress stirring up stuff behind the scenes.  :D

man.. I was just being honest... I was surprised to see at that time that I was the only person that voted no... I didn't start ish... ;)

Sure!!!!  ;)

you're a smart girl. You knew this would all happen. I bet you even planned this!

jk  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 12:50:22 PM
RBG....Would you have sex for a pork chop? ::

if that's not a joke, i'm really afraid of rm...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 12:51:49 PM
RBG....Would you have sex for a pork chop? ::


I'll have sex while eating a pork chop!  :D

On a bun of course. I don't think I can cut and... you know... at the same time  ;)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 12:52:52 PM
LMAO...

See faith..that's the mind of mess I'm talking about. Why would these IVY league educated women do that to themselves? Is it easy money? Too lazy to work like everyone else? Is is a self esteem issue? How could you have some random fool in your bed who has been god knows where. This conversation makes my stomach turn it really does.

You know I'm still trying to figure out who on here I'm trying to "impress" LOL.

 8)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 12:54:10 PM
 ::) (I wish there were other emoticons I could use)

in other news, Yaya was at Joe's Pub last night. Lemme just say this, her real life personality is just the same as it was on T.V. I'm really glad that Eva won.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 12:56:31 PM
::) (I wish there were other emoticons I could use)

in other news, Yaya was at Joe's Pub last night. Lemme just say this, her real life personality is just the same as it was on T.V. I'm really glad that Eva won.

i liked yaya...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 01:01:07 PM
::) (I wish there were other emoticons I could use)

in other news, Yaya was at Joe's Pub last night. Lemme just say this, her real life personality is just the same as it was on T.V. I'm really glad that Eva won.

i liked yaya...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

I did too, at first. But then her personality began to really turn me off. And last night it was one of those "i know u recognize me, come talk to me, look at me" vibes. Sat at the table right next to her and didn't say a word to her. much more interesting people there.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 01:02:21 PM
 Oh come on Ladyday, you started it with the personal jabs at my "life" that you  happen to know so well so why not finish it? See I’m trying to be chilled and participate in the conversation and here you come making random references.  If you had a problem with me, then so say, no need to try to slip in it under the guise of another topic.

But yeah, you know my secret. I want RBG.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: One Step Ahead on March 23, 2005, 01:03:57 PM
I thought the reference was to never2busy :o...my bad :D ;) :P
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Bluenine on March 23, 2005, 01:04:43 PM
::) (I wish there were other emoticons I could use)

in other news, Yaya was at Joe's Pub last night. Lemme just say this, her real life personality is just the same as it was on T.V. I'm really glad that Eva won.

Yaya was too much.  There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 01:05:12 PM
Oh come on Ladyday, you started it with the personal jabs at my "life" that you  happen to know so well so why not finish it? See I’m trying to be chilled and participate in the conversation and here you come making random references.  If you had a problem with me, then so say, no need to try to slip in it under the guise of another topic.

But yeah, you know my secret. I want RBG.


well I read this thread, so you couldn't have been talking about me... But I think we all can guess...  ;D ;D ;D

I thought the reference was to never2busy :o...my bad :D ;) :P

haha - you're obtuse!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: risingMC on March 23, 2005, 01:05:26 PM
i liked yaya...

Me too. You're not alone. I know some people had problems with her because of her "attitude," but I just thought she seemed normal and confidant. And speaking of attitude, Eva isn't winning any contests there, either.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 01:08:39 PM
i was watching that show for like 3 weeks thinking YaYa was just aight. Then I noticed her body...  :o  Now I think she's fine.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 01:09:10 PM
Wow that came out of left field.

I like Yaya and her look. However her personality took a turn for the worse after she started winning all those challenges. Then again Eva wasn't no angel herself. She had a very skank atttitude in the begining of the show. Believe it or not if we all had cameras to follow us around 24-7, we might discover some undesirable traits in our personality.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 01:11:06 PM
i liked yaya because she was so beautiful and still came off as intelligent. her arrogance didn't bother me. and sometimes eva was downright mean. as arrogant as yaya in a different (kinda trashy sometimes) way.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 23, 2005, 01:12:06 PM
There was a really simple topic and it went wayyyy bad.  And I'm still here stirring up the pot!!!  ;D  Sorry if I'm late...

Seriously though, justifying prostitution, comparing prostitution to a relationship, or even participating in prostitution doesn't mean that someone grew up thinking about the price of sperm deposits or isn't willing to work for a living.  It sounds like there's a whole bunch of judgement being passed and I'm not diggin it!  You can't make gross generalizations about people's upbringing, dignity, self esteem, or self respect because everyone's reality is different

RM, regardless of what your opinion is, your comments were insulting...  It appears that the majority of the board agreed with you but none of their posts were brash or insensitive.  IMO, a little bit of diplomacy would serve you well.

I keep tryn to post but then there's more posts!! ...Argh  :)
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 01:14:15 PM
Oh come on Ladyday, you started it with the personal jabs at my "life" that you  happen to know so well so why not finish it? See I’m trying to be chilled and participate in the conversation and here you come making random references.  If you had a problem with me, then so say, no need to try to slip in it under the guise of another topic.

But yeah, you know my secret. I want RBG.

stop sweating me. Seriously.

The jabs come from you, as they always do.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 23, 2005, 01:17:43 PM
i think the women could have gotten jobs and worked just like everybody else. the lawyer graduated from a top 10. my friend said that they said they liked sex and wanted to make money doing what they liked. when they discovered they could, the decided to turn it into a business. i wonder if some dudes wouldn't take such an opportunity if it was available to them. but i guess they just aren't in as high demand.  ;D
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 01:18:39 PM
i liked yaya because she was so beautiful and still came off as intelligent. her arrogance didn't bother me. and sometimes eva was downright mean. as arrogant as yaya in a different (kinda trashy sometimes) way.

see was aight (eww, i used the same term as RBG) she's from BK and there's tons of women here who look just as good or better than she does.

i haven't met eva *yet* so i don't know how her attitude is. but the whole vibe at Joe's is really laid back, actual stars come up in that joint and didn't have the air of arrogance that miss yaya did.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 01:21:40 PM
i think the women could have gotten jobs and worked just like everybody else. the lawyer graduated from a top 10. my friend said that they said they liked sex and wanted to make money doing what they liked. when they discovered they could, the decided to turn it into a business. i wonder if some dudes wouldn't take such an opportunity if it was available to them. but i guess they just aren't in as high demand.  ;D

i've heard of this before. hey, to each his own. I just find it sad when women are prostitutes b/c they are forced to, their financial statuses, or as a result of molestation when they were younger.

AND i think that *most* men wouldn't think twice about the same question, they'd be like "gimme the loot!"
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 01:23:14 PM
Angry black woman

(http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/StarWars/images/BookImages/ewok.jpg)

So where in my post was I being judgmental? I didn't say anything that off key. Perhaps you should reread my posts. Anyone who has other opportunities to make their life work should be ashamed of themselves if they resort to selling their body.

Ladyday you started with innuendos. You honestly expected me not to respond? You sound bitter.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 01:26:02 PM
i think the women could have gotten jobs and worked just like everybody else. the lawyer graduated from a top 10. my friend said that they said they liked sex and wanted to make money doing what they liked. when they discovered they could, the decided to turn it into a business. i wonder if some dudes wouldn't take such an opportunity if it was available to them. but i guess they just aren't in as high demand.  ;D

man that's crazy... I missed your earlier post on it otherwise I would have responded sooner... I guess they're having no problems paying back their loans  :D :D ...but seriously...my folks would have definitely put their feet in my ass if that was the path i had chosen

Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 01:28:34 PM
There are actually a lot of "high" class hookers at top universities. However the term high class sounds like an oxymoron to me. They have no more class than the strawberries walking the street.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 01:30:30 PM
Yaya was beautiful but if she talked about that damn ivy league education one more time.... Eva was arrogant too though.. in the beginning no one in the house liked her...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 01:31:53 PM
There are actually a lot of "high" class hookers at top universities. However the term high class sounds like an oxymoron to me. They have no more class than the strawberries walking the street.

yeah I remember they were talking about something similar on Oprah...

speaking of which... she's about to move into a Chicago project for a month to "experience" that lifestyle and make a reality documentary of it
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Lexington on March 23, 2005, 01:32:11 PM
Angry black woman

(http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/StarWars/images/BookImages/ewok.jpg)

So where in my post was I being judgmental? I didn't say anything that off key. Perhaps you should reread my posts. Anyone who has other opportunities to make their life work should be ashamed of themselves if they resort to selling their body.

Ladyday you started with innuendos. You honestly expected me not to respond? You sound bitter.

What the heck is that little thing?  LOL

Saying that people should take advantage of other opportunities instead of selling their bodies is very different from saying people should be ashamed of themselves if they resort to selling their bodies.  IMO, it's really saying the same thing but in two different ways.  One attacks the person while the other is directed toward the situation or circumstance.  

I'm not angry, I consider it constructive criticism...
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 01:33:59 PM
Yaya was beautiful but if she talked about that damn ivy league education one more time.... Eva was arrogant too though.. in the beginning no one in the house liked her...

yeah but that was in the beginning, eventually Eva calmed herself down though, i think she acted that way in an attempt to protect herself. to me she actually became quite sweet.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: _EKC_ on March 23, 2005, 01:37:11 PM
yeah, but remember how mean she was to ann and norelle in japan?
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 01:38:21 PM
That's my point blq. Everyone seems to be focused on Yaya's attitude, but let's remember that Eva wasn't exactly the epitome of class. She was loud, obnoxious, and found a sly ways to belittle her competition.  The bottom line is that they are both beautiful women with their shortcomings.


Okay Lexington, I don't remember asking for you "constructive" criticism. If I wanted to pour through your previous post, I'm sure I could find some comments of yours that could be considered "judgmental" or even "pretentious". In fact I wouldn't have to go that far. Feel free to disagree with me. I have no problems with that, but don't discredit my opinion just b/c you don't like the way I approach the subject or my lack of diplomacy.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 01:39:37 PM
Yaya was beautiful but if she talked about that damn ivy league education one more time.... Eva was arrogant too though.. in the beginning no one in the house liked her...

yeah but that was in the beginning, eventually Eva calmed herself down though, i think she acted that way in an attempt to protect herself. to me she actually became quite sweet.

yeah I think she "humbled" herself for Tyra.. the claws will come out... i'm sure that it's all based on her personal life experiences but I swear she thought that Norelle was ugly and shouldn't have been there...

It's a common thing though...she and Yaya are probably very similar...but people played on their different physical attributes..
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Statistic on March 23, 2005, 01:39:57 PM
Yaya was beautiful but if she talked about that damn ivy league education one more time.... Eva was arrogant too though.. in the beginning no one in the house liked her...

yeah but that was in the beginning, eventually Eva calmed herself down though, i think she acted that way in an attempt to protect herself. to me she actually became quite sweet.

Eva was the cutest, I thought. I'm about to take a nap. Keep the convo on hold. LOL

I crack myself up.  :P
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 01:42:23 PM
hell remember when she and Ann were writing in ole girl's brownies? At least YaYa stayed out of that drama.... honestly I think that Eva didn't respect the fact that YaYa was winning so many missions...seemed like YaYa developed the attitude  after all of that went down... in turn they both had defense mechanisms but I don't think that YaYa said a lot of negative things about people.. I can't say the same for Eva
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Regal_Muse on March 23, 2005, 01:44:34 PM
Eva came off as really immature. I think the only reason she got her act together was b/c everyone in the house was turning against her.
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: Ladyday on March 23, 2005, 01:47:08 PM
Yaya was beautiful but if she talked about that damn ivy league education one more time.... Eva was arrogant too though.. in the beginning no one in the house liked her...

yeah but that was in the beginning, eventually Eva calmed herself down though, i think she acted that way in an attempt to protect herself. to me she actually became quite sweet.

yeah I think she "humbled" herself for Tyra.. the claws will come out... i'm sure that it's all based on her personal life experiences but I swear she thought that Norelle was ugly and shouldn't have been there...

It's a common thing though...she and Yaya are probably very similar...but people played on their different physical attributes..

yeah, that could be so. what i saw was a young girl who wasn't 100% confident so she tried to tear other people down in an attempt to cover her own insecurities. I actually liked both her and yaya from the very beginning. I thought it would be her, yaya, and anne in the final 3.

here's a rumor: they were trying to say that eva was dating missy elliot!
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: blk_reign on March 23, 2005, 01:52:35 PM
Eva came off as really immature. I think the only reason she got her act together was b/c everyone in the house was turning against her.

I didn't think Ann would make me because her pics were awful....I'm glad Amanda didn't win..but she took some good pics as well...

Damn are you serious? regarding the rumor
Title: Re: The Black Women's Thread
Post by: faith2005 on March 23, 2005, 01:53:41 PM
haha regal. i like that bear thing. its hilarious. i figure women who are "high class" prostitutes are pretty much getting theirs, b/c they're r