Law School Discussion

Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: smclau2 on February 17, 2005, 01:27:05 PM

Title: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: smclau2 on February 17, 2005, 01:27:05 PM
Been reading for a long time on here, never had anything to post, but now any advice would be great. I need to decide b/t LSU (1/2 tuition grant $5250), Loyola ($15k a yr) and Tulane (if they even accept me!). I've read all the posts on this topic, but I'd still like a little more help.
       I've lived in LA my whole life, and would be fine w/ practicing here. Am I hurting my career earnings potential by picking either school?? LSU is ranked higher than Loyola, but Loyola grads earn on average more. To keep my grant at LSU, I have to remain in the top 1/3 of the class, which I am fairly confident I can do. And what about Tulane, assuming they accept me w/ little or no money.

Any thoughts would be great.

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Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: LaneSwerver on February 17, 2005, 01:29:03 PM
I am NOT a fan of Tulane... LSU or Loyola would be awesome. Search for the thread a couple of days ago about Loyola...there were some good stats in there.  Or, Geaux Tigers.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: calliemae on February 17, 2005, 01:41:09 PM
If you're content/set on working in New Orleans, I'd choose Loyola where there is deep alumni loyalty and you're almost assured a job. If you wanted to keep your options open to other parts of the state, then LSU. Employment rates are pretty high at LSU but if you're not ranked highly you may have to practice outside of SE Louisiana (i.e. Lake Charles, Alexandria, Shreveport, Monroe, etc.)I don't think Tulane is worth paying full price if you're content on practicing in Louisiana. Just my .02.

Been reading for a long time on here, never had anything to post, but now any advice would be great. I need to decide b/t LSU (1/2 tuition grant $5250), Loyola ($15k a yr) and Tulane (if they even accept me!). I've read all the posts on this topic, but I'd still like a little more help.
       I've lived in LA my whole life, and would be fine w/ practicing here. Am I hurting my career earnings potential by picking either school?? LSU is ranked higher than Loyola, but Loyola grads earn on average more. To keep my grant at LSU, I have to remain in the top 1/3 of the class, which I am fairly confident I can do. And what about Tulane, assuming they accept me w/ little or no money.

Any thoughts would be great.

http://http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=La-LAW
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: Tony Brooks1 on February 17, 2005, 02:58:29 PM
interesting...
i applied to all three myself...and am waitlisted from loyola (why, i dont know), waitlisted at Lsu(dean said I'm a victim of the out of state status right now), and waiting to hear from tulane...


tulane seems like the best bet..;..in terms of national job prospects and reputation.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: golfergirl on February 17, 2005, 03:53:52 PM
Sounds like the school atmosphere and city might be what should make your decision for you.  I'm going to LSU...mostly because I am more comfortable with big state schools (TEXAS undergrad)...and I really like the size of Baton Rouge etc.  At some point, it really just becomes about where you are going to feel the most comfortable and where you will have the greatest opportunity for academic success...and eventually professional success.  I'm not so sure there is a huge difference in the success that you can expect if you grad near the top of your class at any of these schools...especially if you plan on practicing in Louisiana.    Good luck on your decision.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: law2005 on February 17, 2005, 04:38:21 PM
interesting...
i applied to all three myself...and am waitlisted from loyola (why, i dont know), waitlisted at Lsu(dean said I'm a victim of the out of state status right now), and waiting to hear from tulane...


tulane seems like the best bet..;..in terms of national job prospects and reputation.

Tony, do you mind posting your stats.  I applied to all 3 as well.  Accepted at Loyola and waiting on tulane, lsu. I am in state though...
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: Harrahs on February 17, 2005, 04:48:29 PM
golfergirl, interesting post.

i have often thought this.  if, and it is a big if, i am accepted to tulane, it would be hard for me to turn it down.  however, with the intention of living in louisiana, it is hard to believe one can pick a better choice than lsu, especially for us in-staters. 

all three schools have their advantages and disadvantages.  i would rank what is important to you in a school, and go from there.  good luck, either way.

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Sounds like the school atmosphere and city might be what should make your decision for you. I'm going to LSU...mostly because I am more comfortable with big state schools (TEXAS undergrad)...and I really like the size of Baton Rouge etc. At some point, it really just becomes about where you are going to feel the most comfortable and where you will have the greatest opportunity for academic success...and eventually professional success. I'm not so sure there is a huge difference in the success that you can expect if you grad near the top of your class at any of these schools...especially if you plan on practicing in Louisiana. Good luck on your decision.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: smclau2 on February 17, 2005, 04:57:51 PM
Thanks so far,

  I think I am really leaning towards LSU for several reasons. I like it here and I am comfortable w/ the city, significantly cheaper, have a house, job prospects are just as good if not better (except maybe NO). And I also hear that clerkships are easier to get w/ an LSU degree.
   I'm just trying to keep an open mind, don't want to limit myself. Do you all think that by picking LSU pver Loyola I would be hurting myself w/ job prospects in NO?? I don't really think so. My aunt and uncle went to Loyola, partly b/c they were already living in NO. One is a judge and the other is a partner at an established firm in NO. They say it doesn't matter too much, and for the money go LSU. But they said someone just graduating at about the middle of their class, the Loyola grad would have better chances in NO.
    Just adding on.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: Harrahs on February 17, 2005, 05:03:00 PM
that is fabulous insight.

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My aunt and uncle went to Loyola, partly b/c they were already living in NO. One is a judge and the other is a partner at an established firm in NO. They say it doesn't matter too much, and for the money go LSU. But they said someone just graduating at about the middle of their class, the Loyola grad would have better chances in NO.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: Rockules318 on February 17, 2005, 05:06:14 PM
I decided I would be going to LSU a while back. I decided this mainly because I want to get into politics and would be able to network across the state better there.

You have already brought up good points, such as tuition (I received the same scholarship.) May I add that the facilities at Loyola are not the best, while at Hebert Law Center they just completed a massive renovation.

There are enough LSU grads in the New Orleans area (where I will most likely be practicing) that I am not afraid of being without a job.

If you are going to practice in Louisiana, I see little reason to go to Tulane, otherwise known as Little New York.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: thelawfool on February 18, 2005, 07:44:53 AM
I would rule Tulane out of the equation if you plan on staying here.  I think that's a given.  I really would pick LSU for that "just in case" factor.  Loyola limits you to New Orleans really and maybe the outskirts. 

What happens if you change your mind while going to school?  I think LSU gives you more of a state-wide option plus I would go as far to say that LSU still would look a little better then Loyola out of state if you happen to leave.  PLUS there's plenty of LSU grads downtown for jobs.  Obviously.

Just my $.02.  Good luck with your choice.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: kilroy55 on March 02, 2005, 09:35:16 PM
My only problem with LSU, I was accepted there last year, is that many students dislike the atmosphere.  When i went down there, many complained and said it was not very student friendly.  Also, i don't know if you are aware, but LSU only recently regained its ABA status.  They had some problems in the past, and are trying to remedy the situation.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: Rockules318 on March 03, 2005, 10:40:37 AM
Where did you hear about its ABA status?
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: Rockules318 on March 03, 2005, 10:47:54 AM
Ah, I found it...

http://www.law.lsu.edu/pdfs/administration/ABASiteVisitReport.pdf

The Law Center’s Renaissance: From 1994 to 2002
“The Site Team believes that the Law Center has made substantial
progress since 1994. The issues that confronted the 1994 Site Team have
virtually all disappeared. Resources are excellent. The relationship between the
administration and the faculty is solid. The facility will be first-rate once
renovation is completed this fall. The LSU system administration has a good
working relationship with the Law Center. The President is firmly convinced
that the Law Center is making a major contribution to the system and the
Chancellor and the President are mutually supportive of each other. The Law
Center’s graduates have become more generous and its private fund-raising is
becoming more successful. The Law Center’s communications have improved.
Moreover, the Law Center has used its new resources well, creating new
programs in law and medicine, a Latin American initiative, the bi-jural program,
improved admissions, lower attrition, and more effective alumni relations.
In short, the Law Center has much to be proud of in its improvements and its
long history of excellence in Louisiana.4
Since 1998, the law school has increased the annual expenditures per
student to $20,000 per year, secured funding for renovating its buildings, hired
several key new faculty members and staff to support its curricular and administrative
initiatives, increased its research support budgets, reduced its student
body size, increased its admissions standards, reduced student attrition, improved
its library funding and support, made substantial progress in renovating
its buildings, enhanced its institutional outreach, and improved its print and
electronic communications. These achievements can be traced to the flexibility
the law school receives as an independent campus, an aggressive plan by the law
school, excellent state support, and dedicated law school personnel. The law
school shows no signs of slowing its efforts to improve.5
The Law Center is poised for its next steps forward. Its curriculum has
been dramatically altered and the new bi-jural program may be a real mark of
distinction for the law school. Its new curricular initiatives –Health Law and a
focus on Latin and South America– are very promising paths of distinction for
the law school.”6

4Id. at 42.
5Id. at 33.
6Id. at 42-43.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: golfergirl on March 03, 2005, 10:54:39 AM
Did it ever lose its ABA status?  Schools get evaluated every 7 years...did the site team just make reccomendations for improvement and LSU followed through...and received high marks in 2002?  I know a similar process happens in most business franchises etc, but did LSU actually go off the radar for a while?

Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: Rockules318 on March 03, 2005, 11:12:16 AM
I don't think it lost it. I can't find anything that said it did.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: dal79 on March 06, 2005, 08:37:00 PM
That was all the way back in flippin 1994......GOSH!!!!


Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: kilroy55 on March 06, 2005, 09:06:16 PM
Yeah it was back in '94, but it is still something that you should know.  Since it has only been a few years since things have been "fixed."  I came away with a bad impression of LSU, but I encourage you to take your own visit and see for yourself.  It is the only way you will know.
Title: Re: Which One? LSU, Loyola , Tulane?
Post by: dal79 on March 06, 2005, 11:27:09 PM
I guess nobody picked up on my Napoleon Dynamite reference...