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Deciding Where to Go => Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses => Topic started by: Tony Brooks1 on February 06, 2005, 10:54:27 AM

Title: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: Tony Brooks1 on February 06, 2005, 10:54:27 AM
whats the campus like?
whats cleveland like?
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: ilsox7 on February 06, 2005, 12:31:09 PM
whats the campus like?
whats cleveland like?

I'll speak to Cleveland.  I loved the city and it's probably perfect for a law student.  There are some great restaurants, all the major sports, some good theater, and it's cheap as hell.  You have the Cleveland Heights area which is more college like, downtown which is underrated and cheap as hell to go out in, and Lakewood, which is on the West side.  And, of course, you have Great Lakes Brewery, which rocks like no other (except Victory).
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: tdog on February 07, 2005, 10:44:28 PM
I spent my undergrad at Case, and I can say that the campus immediately around the law school is fairly nice, and there is a lot of artsy stuff there with the Cleveland Orchestra, the Cleveland Museum of Art, Cleveland Institute of Art, etc. all within a 5 minute walk. The Peter B. Lewis building next to the law school is pretty interesting to look at and a nice place to spend time, but I wouldn't say it was worth the money. The law school itself is not much to look at, but it looks well maintained and up to date. The rest of the campus is an eyesore, but you probably won't venture anywhere near the main quad or residential villages. I agree with ilsox7 that Cleveland is actually a decent city for  students. Cleveland Heights is a nice area, Little Italy is quaint and a 15 minute walk away, and downtown is more entertaining that people will tell you. However, I would avoid spending time in the area between the two or even walking around the extremes of the campus. Cleveland is not a safe city, and there are regular reports of people being attacked, mugged or raped. Much of the city is in a decrepit state and it will depress you, but it's what you would expect from a city that had its economy based in manufacturing and steel. As long as you have some common sense, you should be safe and happy for the next three years. Good luck!
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: grumpysmirf on February 11, 2005, 07:02:28 AM
As a 3L, I can tell you that Case is not worth its tuition.  Only go here if you get a full ride.  The law school building is way too small.  I came here because of the surrounding museums, but you don't have any time to actually enjoy them.  Don't make a wrong turn off campus--you will end up in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country--East Cleveland.  We are always getting "security alerts" that someone was assaulted, someone was mugged.  As to the law school itself:  some of the faculty is really cool, but most don't know how to treat students.  Basically, I don't like how I was treated at this school.  The registrar's office plays favorites and gives out wrong information, the administration is the same.  They are playing guinea pigs with the 1Ls and 2Ls by forcing this new legal research program on them--there are nonstop problems with that.  Law school is not supposed to be a walk in the park, but I can honestly say that my three years at Case were the most unhappy years of my life.  Thank god I have a great job coming out of this hell-hole:  thanks to my own networking--OCI was pretty worthless for me.
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: ilsox7 on February 11, 2005, 08:16:12 AM
As a 3L, I can tell you that Case is not worth its tuition.  Only go here if you get a full ride.  The law school building is way too small.  I came here because of the surrounding museums, but you don't have any time to actually enjoy them.  Don't make a wrong turn off campus--you will end up in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country--East Cleveland.  We are always getting "security alerts" that someone was assaulted, someone was mugged.  As to the law school itself:  some of the faculty is really cool, but most don't know how to treat students.  Basically, I don't like how I was treated at this school.  The registrar's office plays favorites and gives out wrong information, the administration is the same.  They are playing guinea pigs with the 1Ls and 2Ls by forcing this new legal research program on them--there are nonstop problems with that.  Law school is not supposed to be a walk in the park, but I can honestly say that my three years at Case were the most unhappy years of my life.  Thank god I have a great job coming out of this hell-hole:  thanks to my own networking--OCI was pretty worthless for me.

I worked in the heart of East Cleveland for about 7 months.  Not the safest place.  Though I obviously had to drive into it every day and I never had a problem.  But always stay in your car, windows up, doors locked.
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: happycat on February 11, 2005, 09:17:47 AM
As a 3L, I can tell you that Case is not worth its tuition.  Only go here if you get a full ride.  The law school building is way too small.  I came here because of the surrounding museums, but you don't have any time to actually enjoy them.  Don't make a wrong turn off campus--you will end up in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country--East Cleveland.  We are always getting "security alerts" that someone was assaulted, someone was mugged.  As to the law school itself:  some of the faculty is really cool, but most don't know how to treat students.  Basically, I don't like how I was treated at this school.  The registrar's office plays favorites and gives out wrong information, the administration is the same.  They are playing guinea pigs with the 1Ls and 2Ls by forcing this new legal research program on them--there are nonstop problems with that.  Law school is not supposed to be a walk in the park, but I can honestly say that my three years at Case were the most unhappy years of my life.  Thank god I have a great job coming out of this hell-hole:  thanks to my own networking--OCI was pretty worthless for me.

You sound really p!ssed off about something, or maybe a lot of things at the school.  But, these are really seriously unethical actions that you are accusing the school of taking against you.  Do you have proof that the registrar's office plays favorites and gives out false information?  If so, you should plead your case to the Dean or something.  That sh!t should never happen . . .
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: Ninja on February 11, 2005, 04:18:43 PM
whats the campus like?
whats cleveland like?

I'll speak to Cleveland.  I loved the city and it's probably perfect for a law student.  There are some great restaurants, all the major sports, some good theater, and it's cheap as hell.  You have the Cleveland Heights area which is more college like, downtown which is underrated and cheap as hell to go out in, and Lakewood, which is on the West side.  And, of course, you have Great Lakes Brewery, which rocks like no other (except Victory).

Have you been to the Victory brewery?  Just wondering because I used to live near it.
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: ilsox7 on February 11, 2005, 04:21:23 PM
Have you been to the Victory brewery?  Just wondering because I used to live near it.

Not yet.  But I am going to Philyl for Memorial Day and will be stopping there.  However, I have had some of their offerings and am a big fan.  Probably the top Craft Brewery East of the Mississippi, if not in all of the land.
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: qtip2012 on February 11, 2005, 04:50:10 PM
Why, oh why doesn't Ommegang get its due.

Also, I think Rogue is a little better than Victory.  That said, those three are tops!
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: ilsox7 on February 11, 2005, 04:54:17 PM
Why, oh why doesn't Ommegang get its due.

Also, I think Rogue is a little better than Victory.  That said, those three are tops!

If I'm not mistaken, Ommegang stays with Belgian style ales.  Very admirable, but these other craft breweries provide many many diverse offerings.  Not a big fan of Rogue...I've actually been quite disappointed by them.  Great Lakes, Bell's, Goose Island, Victory, Stone, Three Floyds are all up there.
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: grumpysmirf on February 11, 2005, 05:00:32 PM
The point I was trying to make was that in many cases, the faculty and the administration are on different pages.  They try to implement these new programs without everyone in the administration knowing what to do or how to handle certain aspects.  I never said they give out "false" information and I don't mean to intimate that anyone acted in a specific way against me in particular--it is how I felt they treated me in my role as a student.  It is just that a lot of confusion existed with little regard to the fact that this is the most important time in a law student's life.  The entire vibe of the school and the frustration in trying to get a straight answer is what I am so upset with--it shows little respect for the students.  But this is just my opinion, I would not recommend the law school--I know a quite a few people who would say the same.  I am sure there are those that would disagree.
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: Troy McClure on February 12, 2005, 07:03:08 AM
The point I was trying to make was that in many cases, the faculty and the administration are on different pages.  They try to implement these new programs without everyone in the administration knowing what to do or how to handle certain aspects.

Are you talking about that CaseArc program?

How have you and your classmates done in job searches over your summers and now as 3Ls?  Case has good employment stats, but how has it been for you and your classmates?
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: sma187 on March 01, 2005, 03:55:13 AM
My neighbor is graduating Case Law this year. She has been thoroughly unhappy there. She doesn't feel its worth the tuition at all and is overranked in her opinion. This may be one unhappy students view, so take it for what its worth. I was so taken with her statements that I didn't end up applying at all, and just applied to Cinci. Cleveland is a fun city though, no question.
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: steelcity on March 01, 2005, 05:51:20 AM
I met 2 recent grads in the last 2 months and they were both very happy with the experience.  They spoke highly of the program.  They both felt that they got a great education and felt challenged by the professors. 
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: KappaOne on March 02, 2005, 10:38:38 AM
Does anyone know what Case's reputation is like in the Midwest and nationally?
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: funnyfunny on March 02, 2005, 07:03:50 PM
I am from the Cleveland area and I can say first hand that I would not recommend going to school in Cleveland, Ohio unless you have a good reason to do so (staying close to family etc.).  There are some pretty torn-down, dangerous neighborhoods in Cleveland.  The economy and job market in the area is shot to hell.  I just wouldn't recommend it (just a personal opinion).
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: ryanjm on March 02, 2005, 09:19:03 PM
My family lives near Cleveland, and I know several people that went to Case and Cleveland-Marshall law. The general consensus was that Cleveland-Marshall is the better deal, as both schools have a good regional rep, but Marshall is much cheaper.
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: KappaOne on March 03, 2005, 07:57:26 AM
My family lives near Cleveland, and I know several people that went to Case and Cleveland-Marshall law. The general consensus was that Cleveland-Marshall is the better deal, as both schools have a good regional rep, but Marshall is much cheaper.

Is the issue the cost of Case, or the schoo's reputation? Also, do you know if a Case degree competitive in Columubus, Ohio, Chicago or St. Louis?
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: LaneSwerver on March 03, 2005, 07:59:27 AM
My first-hand account of case:

(http://www.career-recruit.fsu.edu/careerportfolio/enter/images/briefcase.gif)
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: KappaOne on March 03, 2005, 08:09:43 AM
My first-hand account of case:

(http://www.career-recruit.fsu.edu/careerportfolio/enter/images/briefcase.gif)
Not really what I had in mind...Looks like someone has too much free time on his hands.
Title: Re: case--i need first hand accounts
Post by: LaneSwerver on March 03, 2005, 08:16:42 AM
Way too much free time.  :)