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Title: Racist Whites
Post by: Dangermouse on January 17, 2005, 09:58:12 AM
Lets be honest he!!!
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: BIG H2001 on January 17, 2005, 10:01:42 AM
I don't think anyone would turn down a job they really wanted, regardless of who might be more "qualified."  I guess we can add this to the endless list of pointless threads about racism that keep popping up on this board.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: A.J on January 17, 2005, 10:01:52 AM
Where are things this bad?  Honestly, I dont see this happening in my experience. 

btw-If you're a white person this little soap box act will probably annoy your URM counterpart.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Gummo on January 17, 2005, 10:03:52 AM
I don't think anyone would turn down a job they really wanted, regardless of who might be more "qualified."  I guess we can add this to the endless list of pointless threads about racism that keep popping up on this board.

Agreed. 

And there's AA in hiring practices, too. 
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Jumboshrimps on January 17, 2005, 10:37:02 AM
Why has this board turned so "racial" recently? I mean, it's really out-of-control.

 ???
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: New York on January 17, 2005, 11:29:25 AM
i do think the question is stupid....but the title is more so.

The question has nothing to do with racism. If I get a job over someone else...even if its my cute little grandma...IM KEEPING THE JOB.

So how does this question relate to racism??

if you are talking about the employer being racist..i doubt you would be able to ascertain this unless you overhear the employer say something racist ...which is even more unlikely.

Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: twarga on January 17, 2005, 11:38:07 AM
I've spent more than 1/3 of my life in the AF, so I don't see the racism as much.  A few years ago, one of my fellow paralegals in the JAG office said to me, "Do you realize that you are the only white paralegal in the office out of 12 of us?"  I honestly hadn't.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: giffy on January 17, 2005, 11:39:52 AM
How would you even know if they were more qualified? More to the point perhaps there was something non-qualified and non-racial about why you were hired over the other person. Perhaps your personality messed better with the company or you and the boss share an interest in golf. I think part of the problem in debates like this is that everyone assumes that "qualified" is something that is easily determined and quantified. Everyone I have ever talked to who has done hiring for jobs will tells me that much of the process involves things that are not easily put into numbers. Same with Admissions...
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: ori on January 17, 2005, 11:44:03 AM
We can disagree with the practice of AA (I find diversity to be a worthwhile objective, by the way), but I do not think anyone can disparage someone for accepting something that is offered.

Yes, especially if they understand the consequences, such as other people doubting whether or not you deserved that degree/position.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: HBCU.EDU on January 17, 2005, 11:45:26 AM
Looks like white people are going crazy as it gets down to the wire. I reckon more and more of these boards will pop up this year. Hey, what are you guys doing to remember my Morehouse brother, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

He said: "I have a dream....that one day, white folk will shut the #@!* up about getting into law school, and realize that they have all the advantages that anyone could possibly have in a white man's world. I have a dream.....that one day, black people will stop giving a #@!* about what white people think, and continue to move forward with our goals of going to law school. One day, we can all sing that old negro spiritual....I'm in law school B*tch! Admitted at last! Admitted at last! Thank God Almighty, I'm admitted at last!"     
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: giffy on January 17, 2005, 11:49:23 AM
Looks like white people are going crazy as it gets down to the wire. I reckon more and more of these boards will pop up this year. Hey, what are you guys doing to remember my Morehouse brother, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

He said: "I have a dream....that one day, white folk will shut the @#!* up about getting into law school, and realize that they have all the advantages that anyone could possibly have in a white man's world. I have a dream.....that one day, black people will stop giving a @#!* about what white people think, and continue to move forward with our goals of going to law school. One day, we can all sing that old negro spiritual....I'm in law school female dog! Admitted at last! Admitted at last! Thank God Almighty, I'm admitted at last!"     

LMAO
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: billymahogany on January 17, 2005, 11:50:59 AM
What if you interview a lot better than said "black candidate"?

I don't see your point, especially:

 sh*t, look at yourselves and your attitudes, makes me sick!!!
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: blk_reign on January 17, 2005, 12:00:26 PM
Looks like white people are going crazy as it gets down to the wire. I reckon more and more of these boards will pop up this year. Hey, what are you guys doing to remember my Morehouse brother, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

He said: "I have a dream....that one day, white folk will shut the #@!* up about getting into law school, and realize that they have all the advantages that anyone could possibly have in a white man's world. I have a dream.....that one day, black people will stop giving a #@!* about what white people think, and continue to move forward with our goals of going to law school. One day, we can all sing that old negro spiritual....I'm in law school female dog! Admitted at last! Admitted at last! Thank God Almighty, I'm admitted at last!"     

classic ROFL
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Gummo on January 17, 2005, 12:28:02 PM
Looks like white people are going crazy as it gets down to the wire. I reckon more and more of these boards will pop up this year. Hey, what are you guys doing to remember my Morehouse brother, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

He said: "I have a dream....that one day, white folk will shut the @#!* up about getting into law school, and realize that they have all the advantages that anyone could possibly have in a white man's world. I have a dream.....that one day, black people will stop giving a @#!* about what white people think, and continue to move forward with our goals of going to law school. One day, we can all sing that old negro spiritual....I'm in law school female dog! Admitted at last! Admitted at last! Thank God Almighty, I'm admitted at last!"     

hahaha  :D.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: maricutie on January 17, 2005, 01:44:36 PM
LOL  :D
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: drew617 on January 17, 2005, 02:54:18 PM
I strongly disagree with AA but I don't blame anyone who takes advantage of the system.  If the advantages are there for the taking, by all means take them.  My beef is with the system and not the people who exploit it.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: ori on January 17, 2005, 04:57:33 PM
We can disagree with the practice of AA (I find diversity to be a worthwhile objective, by the way), but I do not think anyone can disparage someone for accepting something that is offered.

Yes, especially if they understand the consequences, such as other people doubting whether or not you deserved that degree/position.

Let's say that I, as a minority, decided I wouldn't take a law school acceptance that didn't match my numbers because I don't accept these consequences.  Does that make any difference in my life besides screwing myself over?  If we're going to talk about ethnicity, let's talk about the fact that it's not something you can "choose" or take off or put on like a jacket.

I think that there is a degree to which you can control these consequences, especially with those who you are closer to, although you won't be able to totally eradicate them.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: ori on January 17, 2005, 05:53:57 PM
We can disagree with the practice of AA (I find diversity to be a worthwhile objective, by the way), but I do not think anyone can disparage someone for accepting something that is offered.

Yes, especially if they understand the consequences, such as other people doubting whether or not you deserved that degree/position.

Let's say that I, as a minority, decided I wouldn't take a law school acceptance that didn't match my numbers because I don't accept these consequences.  Does that make any difference in my life besides screwing myself over?  If we're going to talk about ethnicity, let's talk about the fact that it's not something you can "choose" or take off or put on like a jacket.

I think that there is a degree to which you can control these consequences, especially with those who you are closer to, although you won't be able to totally eradicate them.

How?

You will be able to inform those who you are closer to, such as your classmates and people you work with at firms, of your stats, your success at law school, and other factors that demonstrate that the path that you followed wasn't paved because of your ethnicity.  Perhaps I'm naive, but I think that if most people are properly informed, they will consider you on your own merits.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: MJ on January 17, 2005, 10:39:34 PM
mobell...sorry so late..but CONGRATULATIONS on Stanford!
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: NHLFan26 on February 07, 2005, 12:52:45 PM
I am a fairly liberal Democrat (voted John Kerry, Joe Hoeffel, and Allyson Schwartz) and I said yes, but I oppose Affirmative Action.  I do not feel any race should have preferential treatment in hiring or admissions decisions.  I am an Irish Catholic who grew up in Norrtheast Philadelphia and far from wealthy.  My ancestors dealt with a lot themselves (artifical Potato famine, Penal Laws, etc.) from the Brits and yet we don't get preference for past discrimination.  Other groups such as the Chinese, Armenians, Jews. etc. can say the same thing.         
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Ninja on February 07, 2005, 04:49:38 PM
I have to agree that at some companies AA is used in some form.  While you can't state your ethnicity on a resume, employers can target a degree of their recruiting toward minority candidates by recruiting in places such as minority clubs or historically black colleges.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: NinMN19XX on February 07, 2005, 08:38:32 PM

i'm not sure what my thoughts about AA in general are, but one important thing in this case (law school admissions), most judges in the U.S. are old white guys.  who could get into and pay for law school ages ago?  kids from rich white families.  the people judging/condemning/administrating justice in U.S. are not representative of the standard u.s. citizen.  most of us are poor and trying to work hard.  i think we need more diverse and compassionate judges.  you need a j.d. to become a judge.  i think AA and federal loans and such are good in law. 
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on February 07, 2005, 08:57:30 PM

i'm not sure what my thoughts about AA in general are, but one important thing in this case (law school admissions), most judges in the U.S. are old white guys.  who could get into and pay for law school ages ago?  kids from rich white families.  the people judging/condemning/administrating justice in U.S. are not representative of the standard u.s. citizen.  most of us are poor and trying to work hard.  i think we need more diverse and compassionate judges.  you need a j.d. to become a judge.  i think AA and federal loans and such are good in law. 

according to the "most judges in the U.S. are old white guys" theory then AA should include asians, jews, various groups of immigrants and a litany of other minorities.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: BadAssOne on April 29, 2005, 11:01:44 AM
See this is a trick question!  No black candidate could ever be better qualified than a white one!
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: dbgirl on April 29, 2005, 11:26:26 AM
It seems that BadAss just joined the LSD list to talk sh!t.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Alamss on April 29, 2005, 03:20:43 PM
I am not white or black, and if I were offered a job, I could care less that some other more qualified person was denied that job and I received it, be they white, black, asian, or hispanic. I got it and I am keeping it, and I think this would be standard practise for almost any sensible person.

I don't agree with the AA program, but, if you got an advantage above others more qualified than you, then thats great, I would not expect you to give it to a more 'qualified' person. If you did that I would think you are would dumbass. 
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PSUDSL08 on April 30, 2005, 12:06:30 PM
I do not agree with the idea that individuals of a certain race or gender should be given preferential treatment solely on the basis that they fit into a "category". I think that if you've had to overcome something significant in your life, then you should be given some preferential treatment.
Let's look at two different people: a black teenager born into wealth and a white person living in a trailer park. The black person went to the best schools, had everything he ever wanted, and the most that person had to deal with in terms of racism is occasionally hearing someone crack a racist joke at school. Should this person be given a helping hand by an admissions board?
What about the white kid who grew up in the trailer park? This person had no money and went to one of the worst public schools in the area. Should he not qualify for some sort of assistance from an admissions board?
To me, there's more to diversity than just skin color. If you're black, hispanic, asian, or white and you've had to struggle to make it, you deserve a helping hand. I'm half-jewish...my ancestors have overcome hardships, but I choose not to make that a focal point of my application. Doing that is like saying "I can't impress these people with what I've done academically, so I'll have them focus on something else that they can't ignore".
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PresClay_00 on April 30, 2005, 12:12:21 PM
i'm not reading the whole damn thread, but if you're black and seriously underqualified but get the job/slot in LS b/c of AA, are you going to turn it down?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: triumph82 on April 30, 2005, 12:27:53 PM
People who are white receive a form of affirmative action that is so much deeper than the affirmative action that we hear about on the surface. For such a company, another white person would be offered the job anyway. However, I think this post is more about the double standard.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PresClay_00 on April 30, 2005, 12:43:06 PM
you mean b/c whites are the majority?  what is this "much deeper form of AA that i've never heard of or experienced?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: triumph82 on April 30, 2005, 12:48:24 PM
As a white person, I don't feel individually guilty, but I do acknowledge that there is a larger social network that, whether I like it or not, I have always benefitted from.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PresClay_00 on April 30, 2005, 12:51:12 PM
but don't you think that blacks are much more loyal to one another than any group of whites?  that would make a very tight network to draw from
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: triumph82 on April 30, 2005, 01:12:03 PM
No matter how tight knit, I think the black network is at the mercy of, and incorporated within, the larger white network. I don't think affirmative action makes up for the disadvantage. That's why I think its funny when someone who is white claims that AA is unfair to them.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PresClay_00 on May 01, 2005, 08:51:17 AM
maybe so, but the reason most whites say that AA is unfair is b/c a network is not a govt instituted policy that results in partiality.  a person may have connections, but someone within the network doesn't have to honor connections, as compared to someone using AA in hiring/admitting does have to follow it
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: KODIAK on May 01, 2005, 04:51:40 PM
Yeah, I mean I'm white, so pretty much all day long I sit around feeling guilty for benefitting from my race.  And after I pay back $100K in loans for post-secondary education and work my ass off to provide for myself and my family, I'm still going to sit around feeling guilty.
Give me a break.  No one alive today owned slaves.  No one alive today was a slave.  Quit pissing and moaning about racism b/c what's done is done.  Get educated, get a job, and get over it!
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PresClay_00 on May 01, 2005, 04:55:20 PM
just delete your posting and it won't show up anymore
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Julie Fern on May 02, 2005, 06:01:36 AM
Yeah, I mean I'm white, so pretty much all day long I sit around feeling guilty for benefitting from my race. And after I pay back $100K in loans for post-secondary education and work my ass off to provide for myself and my family, I'm still going to sit around feeling guilty.
Give me a break. No one alive today owned slaves. No one alive today was a slave. Quit pissing and moaning about racism b/c what's done is done. Get educated, get a job, and get over it!

but you miss point:  racism not done.  certainly, one who sees that still must carry on--but not be surprised if they want to spoil your little party by trying to call attention to racism.  you get over it!
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: KODIAK on May 02, 2005, 06:09:57 AM
There are many things that make life unfair.  A buddy of mine got into Princeton and then got hooked up with a sweet job just b/c his dad is some hotshot alum.  Not fair, but I don't really lose sleep over it.  People oughta just do the best they can.  If you're fighting an uphill battle, fight it hard, don't just give up and complain.  There's really no way to remedy the situation entirely without disenfranchising another group. 
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Julie Fern on May 02, 2005, 06:35:32 AM
feel free to ignore injustice.  and feel free to ignore those who don't.  so why you posting here?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: giffy on May 02, 2005, 08:22:53 AM
1. School admissions are non solely a numbers game. Lots of white kids get in with low numbers for a variety of reasons from disadvantaged backgrounds to excellent connections.

2. Schools like things that let them compare people easily. Take the LSAT for instance. No one really believes that every kid who gets a 170 is going to be an amazing law student and every one who gets a 140 is going to fail. However it is more likely that the 170 is going to succeed then the 140. Unfortunately in our society it is still more likely that a black kid is going to have a tougher time then a white kid. So a school can reasonably assume that on average the white kid had better schools, more money, a more stable family, and better role models. In order to even this out they give a few more points to the black kid.

3. Diversity is an important value for most schools. They believe that it is important that their student body have people of varying racial ethnic and educational backgrounds.


Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: _BP_ on May 02, 2005, 08:35:34 AM
Looks like white people are going crazy as it gets down to the wire. I reckon more and more of these boards will pop up this year. Hey, what are you guys doing to remember my Morehouse brother, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

He said: "I have a dream....that one day, white folk will shut the #@!* up about getting into law school, and realize that they have all the advantages that anyone could possibly have in a white man's world. I have a dream.....that one day, black people will stop giving a #@!* about what white people think, and continue to move forward with our goals of going to law school. One day, we can all sing that old negro spiritual....I'm in law school B*tch! Admitted at last! Admitted at last! Thank God Almighty, I'm admitted at last!"     

The most classic classic ever!
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Julie Fern on May 02, 2005, 08:41:03 AM
that redundant redundant.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: _BP_ on May 02, 2005, 09:18:17 AM
that redundant redundant.

This is true and correct.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: triumph82 on May 02, 2005, 02:20:50 PM
Gov't instituted policies of the past greatly contributed to the social networks today.


maybe so, but the reason most whites say that AA is unfair is b/c a network is not a govt instituted policy that results in partiality.  a person may have connections, but someone within the network doesn't have to honor connections, as compared to someone using AA in hiring/admitting does have to follow it
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PresClay_00 on May 02, 2005, 02:52:19 PM
yeah, which is why i want into columbia.  i'm not a 5th ave socialite
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Julie Fern on May 02, 2005, 04:53:59 PM
what your avenue then?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PresClay_00 on May 02, 2005, 05:44:02 PM
depends on the night
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PSUDSL08 on May 03, 2005, 08:57:54 AM
Unfortunately in our society it is still more likely that a black kid is going to have a tougher time then a white kid. So a school can reasonably assume that on average the white kid had better schools, more money, a more stable family, and better role models. In order to even this out they give a few more points to the black kid.

That's the problem with AA to begin with...it just masks the greater problem. Rather than trying to fix the educational system, the government gives a "pass" to people of a different race as a way to placate them. AA basically says "ok so things suck for you, but instead of making it better, we're just going to help the minorities lucky enough to go to college/grad school by giving them a couple of points on their application" And rather than questioning why whites have better educational opportunities (on the whole) than minorities, people of different races buy into this whole idea by checking off that box on their application.
Also in the grand scheme of things, AA benefits WHITE women over any other group when it comes to employment. Go figure. I'm all about diversity in school and in the work place. My high school was in the range of 40-50% black/hispanic. I watched a black kid that I knew very well, who grew up VERY wealthy, who had mediocre grades get into Duke. Most of the other black kids in my high school went to county college b/c they couldn't afford the cost of a 4 year college. Where's the justice in that?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: hammer101 on May 03, 2005, 09:12:36 AM

3. Diversity is an important value for most schools. They believe that it is important that their student body have people of varying racial ethnic and educational backgrounds.




The problem is many schools take a superficial view of "diversity" -- it's as if they think giving URMs from middle/upper middle class suburbs an edge in the admissions process fulfills that goal (which I think is a worthwhile one, by the way). It doesn't. Diversity of skin color /= diversity of thought or background.

I'm all for giving people from disadvantaged backgrounds a helping hand. The trouble is AA doesn't help those folks or even reach out to them (URM or otherwise). I think most schools value the process more than the end result of that process.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PSUDSL08 on May 03, 2005, 10:30:28 AM
I think the way that diversity should be encouraged in colleges isnt to make it easier to get into schools for upper/middle class minorities, but to make college/grad school free for those who would have a tough time covering the costs of a 4 year college. You'd see less minorities in county college and more enrolled in good schools. Putting a rich, mediocre black student into an ivy league school is meaningless if 10 other black kids are forced to attend county.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Donkey on May 03, 2005, 12:51:17 PM
How about we make the admissions process race blind. If someone wants to claim that an economic disadvantage, let him and then allow the adcomm to decide if it is worthy. This way diversity, if this is the actual goal, can be accomplished through personal merit, not skin color.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 03, 2005, 02:28:11 PM
How about we make the admissions process race blind. If someone wants to claim that an economic disadvantage, let him and then allow the adcomm to decide if it is worthy. This way diversity, if this is the actual goal, can be accomplished through personal merit, not skin color.

i'm sorry, this is an unacceptable suggestion.  it addresses all the significant issues that people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds face in a more simple, more fair, and less politicized way than the current system.  no major organization or institution can take that seriously. 
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: Stacey Koon on May 03, 2005, 02:31:46 PM
How about we make the admissions process race blind. If someone wants to claim that an economic disadvantage, let him and then allow the adcomm to decide if it is worthy. This way diversity, if this is the actual goal, can be accomplished through personal merit, not skin color.

That is an excellent suggestion. Ufortunately, those who are unable to succeed on their own merits will condemn the idea.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: _BP_ on May 03, 2005, 02:40:52 PM
How about we make the admissions process race blind. If someone wants to claim that an economic disadvantage, let him and then allow the adcomm to decide if it is worthy. This way diversity, if this is the actual goal, can be accomplished through personal merit, not skin color.

That is an excellent suggestion. Ufortunately, those who are unable to succeed on their own merits will condemn the idea.

This would follow if we assumed that correcting economic disadvantage was the the only basis for A.A.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 03, 2005, 02:44:25 PM
How about we make the admissions process race blind. If someone wants to claim that an economic disadvantage, let him and then allow the adcomm to decide if it is worthy. This way diversity, if this is the actual goal, can be accomplished through personal merit, not skin color.

That is an excellent suggestion. Ufortunately, those who are unable to succeed on their own merits will condemn the idea.

This would follow if we assumed that correcting economic disadvantage was the the only basis for A.A.

i hear that.  that's why i wrote socioeconomic disadvantage...that work for u?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: _BP_ on May 03, 2005, 02:52:34 PM
How about we make the admissions process race blind. If someone wants to claim that an economic disadvantage, let him and then allow the adcomm to decide if it is worthy. This way diversity, if this is the actual goal, can be accomplished through personal merit, not skin color.

That is an excellent suggestion. Ufortunately, those who are unable to succeed on their own merits will condemn the idea.

This would follow if we assumed that correcting economic disadvantage was the the only basis for A.A.

i hear that.  that's why i wrote socioeconomic disadvantage...that work for u?

I hear that, that's why I was not responding to you! I quoted the post that I was referring to...that work for u?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 03, 2005, 02:54:26 PM
ha, yes, that works for me.  so that means you agree with what i wrote?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: _BP_ on May 03, 2005, 03:03:57 PM
ha, yes, that works for me.  so that means you agree with what i wrote?
How about we make the admissions process race blind. If someone wants to claim that an economic disadvantage, let him and then allow the adcomm to decide if it is worthy. This way diversity, if this is the actual goal, can be accomplished through personal merit, not skin color.

i'm sorry, this is an unacceptable suggestion. it addresses all the significant issues that people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds face in a more simple, more fair, and less politicized way than the current system. no major organization or institution can take that seriously.
ha, yes, that works for me.  so that means you agree with what i wrote?
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This would follow if we assumed that race was not a significant issue faced by people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds i.e race plays absolutely no part in any disadvantage faced.

So the short answer to your question on if I agree, is "NO".
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on May 03, 2005, 03:14:17 PM
How about we make the admissions process race blind. If someone wants to claim that an economic disadvantage, let him and then allow the adcomm to decide if it is worthy. This way diversity, if this is the actual goal, can be accomplished through personal merit, not skin color.

i'm sorry, this is an unacceptable suggestion.  it addresses all the significant issues that people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds face in a more simple, more fair, and less politicized way than the current system.  no major organization or institution can take that seriously. 

Because the only way URM students are disadvantaged is economics?  Family income is a huge issue, but it's far from the whole of the disadvantage encountered by minorities.  Biases by teachers and classmates (both in terms of academic expectations and social acceptance) can make a huge difference in education and in the way that education shows up on a transcript or in a testing room.

Is it possible that being the only non white face in a room changes how relaxed you feel about taking a test?  Is it possible teachers will give a student a lower grade if they feel a little uncomfortable around them, or if the student's dialect is different from their own, or if they don't draw from the same kind of experiences the teacher has?  No, of course not, because obviously the US is a perfect, racially harmonious, and colorblind society.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 03, 2005, 03:16:05 PM
ha, yes, that works for me.  so that means you agree with what i wrote?
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This would follow if we assumed that race was not a significant issue faced by people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds i.e race plays absolutely no part in any disadvantage faced.

So the short answer to your question on if I agree, is "NO".

i dont understand that at all.  if race played a factor in an individual's disadvantaged socioeconomic background then it would be included in the consideration of that candidate as a subcategory.  if it played no role, then it would be ignored.  in other words someone who currently gets a urm boost, but has grown up financially secure, in a solid family, and faced minimal difficulties, wouldnt get a huge boost, while someone who had severe financial and social difficulties, but currently doesnt count as a urm, would get a significant boost.  i'm sure you've heard this before, but i dont see what the problem is.  when race is a relevant and significant factor it is accounted for, when it is not, then it is discarded.  what's wrong with that?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 03, 2005, 03:17:28 PM
How about we make the admissions process race blind. If someone wants to claim that an economic disadvantage, let him and then allow the adcomm to decide if it is worthy. This way diversity, if this is the actual goal, can be accomplished through personal merit, not skin color.

i'm sorry, this is an unacceptable suggestion.  it addresses all the significant issues that people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds face in a more simple, more fair, and less politicized way than the current system.  no major organization or institution can take that seriously. 

Because the only way URM students are disadvantaged is economics?  Family income is a huge issue, but it's far from the whole of the disadvantage encountered by minorities.  Biases by teachers and classmates (both in terms of academic expectations and social acceptance) can make a huge difference in education and in the way that education shows up on a transcript or in a testing room.

Is it possible that being the only non white face in a room changes how relaxed you feel about taking a test?  Is it possible teachers will give a student a lower grade if they feel a little uncomfortable around them, or if the student's dialect is different from their own, or if they don't draw from the same kind of experiences the teacher has?  No, of course not, because obviously the US is a perfect, racially harmonious, and colorblind society.

i said socioeconomic background...learn how to read before you rant.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: _BP_ on May 03, 2005, 03:19:13 PM
ha, yes, that works for me.  so that means you agree with what i wrote?
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This would follow if we assumed that race was not a significant issue faced by people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds i.e race plays absolutely no part in any disadvantage faced.

So the short answer to your question on if I agree, is "NO".

i dont understand that at all.  if race played a factor in an individual's disadvantaged socioeconomic background then it would be included in the consideration of that candidate as a subcategory.  if it played no role, then it would be ignored.  in other words someone who currently gets a urm boost, but has grown up financially secure, in a solid family, and faced minimal difficulties, wouldnt get a huge boost, while someone who had severe financial and social difficulties, but currently doesnt count as a urm, would get a significant boost.  i'm sure you've heard this before, but i dont see what the problem is.  when race is a relevant and significant factor it is accounted for, when it is not, then it is discarded.  what's wrong with that?

Well you have to admit that you explained yourself much better in this post.  I see no problems with this.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: blk_reign on May 03, 2005, 03:28:32 PM
this topic never gets old huh ::)...hope you don't have this kind of time when contracts kicks your ass in the fall..
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 03, 2005, 03:34:10 PM
ha, yes, that works for me.  so that means you agree with what i wrote?
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This would follow if we assumed that race was not a significant issue faced by people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds i.e race plays absolutely no part in any disadvantage faced.

So the short answer to your question on if I agree, is "NO".

i dont understand that at all.  if race played a factor in an individual's disadvantaged socioeconomic background then it would be included in the consideration of that candidate as a subcategory.  if it played no role, then it would be ignored.  in other words someone who currently gets a urm boost, but has grown up financially secure, in a solid family, and faced minimal difficulties, wouldnt get a huge boost, while someone who had severe financial and social difficulties, but currently doesnt count as a urm, would get a significant boost.  i'm sure you've heard this before, but i dont see what the problem is.  when race is a relevant and significant factor it is accounted for, when it is not, then it is discarded.  what's wrong with that?

Well you have to admit that you explained yourself much better in this post.  I see no problems with this.

fair enough.  well there's my problem.  as simple and just as this system seems, self-proclaimed moderates on both sides seem to refuse to join together to push for this type of system.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 03, 2005, 03:39:05 PM
this topic never gets old huh ::)...hope you don't have this kind of time when contracts kicks your ass in the fall..

and you never get tired of posting the same exact pointless phrase (pointless, b/c your readers are a group of people who clearly do care to continue discussing this and thus will ignore your childish lines)
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: blk_reign on May 03, 2005, 03:46:00 PM
interesting amelus..considering the fact that i typically engage in these conversations.. the point that i'm making is that all throughout the affirmative action board.. the same issues are discussed over and over..and they all lead to the same exact medium..


people aren't going to agree.. there's no way to convince some people that there's a need for affirmative action.. and there's no way to convince other's that there's no need for it...

at the end of the day none of us are in control of the policies and continuously trying to educate people that the basis of AA isn't limited to a person's skin complexion is pointless when they aren't trying to hear it..
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 03, 2005, 04:17:40 PM
interesting amelus..considering the fact that i typically engage in these conversations.. the point that i'm making is that all throughout the affirmative action board.. the same issues are discussed over and over..and they all lead to the same exact medium..


people aren't going to agree.. there's no way to convince some people that there's a need for affirmative action.. and there's no way to convince other's that there's no need for it...

at the end of the day none of us are in control of the policies and continuously trying to educate people that the basis of AA isn't limited to a person's skin complexion is pointless when they aren't trying to hear it..

it's funny you say people wont agree in a thread where, within a matter of half a dozen short posts, biting panther and i have come to an agreement.

also, you cant defend your dismissive line from before with an argument "i typically do get involved in these discussions" because that only says that you yourself should recognize how lousy and pointless that line was.

if you want to be cynical and pessimistic, ok, that's your perogative.  but the aforementioned line does nothing (except elicit a response that it does nothing ;))
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: blk_reign on May 03, 2005, 04:32:40 PM
trust.. it isnít pessimism.. look around this board outside of this specific thread and see how many people you can actually get to agree on the topic Affirmative Action..
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 03, 2005, 04:39:43 PM
trust.. it isnít pessimism.. look around this board outside of this specific thread and see how many people you can actually get to agree on the topic Affirmative Action..

but you posted your comments in this thread :-\
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: blk_reign on May 03, 2005, 05:23:18 PM
so amelus.. how do we achieve a multicultural democracy?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 03, 2005, 06:16:53 PM
so amelus.. how do we achieve a multicultural democracy?

is that your way of retracting your previous comment :D
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on May 04, 2005, 07:32:39 AM
How about we make the admissions process race blind. If someone wants to claim that an economic disadvantage, let him and then allow the adcomm to decide if it is worthy. This way diversity, if this is the actual goal, can be accomplished through personal merit, not skin color.

i'm sorry, this is an unacceptable suggestion.  it addresses all the significant issues that people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds face in a more simple, more fair, and less politicized way than the current system.  no major organization or institution can take that seriously. 

Because the only way URM students are disadvantaged is economics?  Family income is a huge issue, but it's far from the whole of the disadvantage encountered by minorities.  Biases by teachers and classmates (both in terms of academic expectations and social acceptance) can make a huge difference in education and in the way that education shows up on a transcript or in a testing room.

Is it possible that being the only non white face in a room changes how relaxed you feel about taking a test?  Is it possible teachers will give a student a lower grade if they feel a little uncomfortable around them, or if the student's dialect is different from their own, or if they don't draw from the same kind of experiences the teacher has?  No, of course not, because obviously the US is a perfect, racially harmonious, and colorblind society.

i said socioeconomic background...learn how to read before you rant.

I can read, thanks.  You did use the word "socioeconomic," and it's a good word, and I'm glad you know it.  However, the argument you were describing as addessing "all the significant issues that people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds face," refered to using race blind admissions and considering only economic disadvantage.  Race blind = not considering all the significant socioeconomic factors.

I agree with factoring in economic background for everyone.  Also, I'd suggest some consideration of parental education levels.  But you can't be race blind and then pretend to be considering everything that's important about someone's socioeconomic background, because racism is a factor that needs to be seriously looked at regardless of any economic advantages a student may have.

Regarding your suggestion that race be considered only if it is "a relevant and significant factor" is nice in theory, I guess, but I can't imagine how it could be put into practice; how would an ad com ever have any idea how race played a part in a student's life?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: hammer101 on May 04, 2005, 07:38:49 AM
I think it's not even so much AA anymore, but rather schools' conception of diversity that we're grappling with here. Because let's face it -- if legally-sanctioned AA disappeared tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing in the realm of college/professional school admissions (or probably the workforce either).

Most schools use a simple formula: if you are of a certain race, you inherently contribute to diversity, therefore you deserve an edge in admissions. I have trouble believing a black/hispanic/native american kid growing up in a well-off suburb is really all that different from his/her white counterparts. Think about it: if you grow up in the same environment, worry about the same things and gemerally share the same perspective, how different are you from your white peers? Not very, really.

That's the wrong way to promote diversity. And if you want to look at it through the prism of promoting social justice (that is the ostensible aim here, right?), consider this: If you've made it to the middle or upper middle class, you've won your share of the American dream. While I have no doubt well-off URMs face discrimination from time to time, they are, by virtue of their position in society, in a place where they'll never have to worry about racist whites sabotaging their futures. Their parents, against incredible odds, overcame a level of hatred and bigotry we rarely see displayed today.

Therefore, schools need to broaden their definition of diversity. I'm not saying the system should be completely race blind (how would people heavily involved in cultural organizations discuss their accomplishments?), but socio-economic status is a more reliable way to measure disadvantage in today's society.

But it doesn't really lend itself to a formula that's easy to apply across the board. Many URMs on the lower end of the economic scale still suffer from bigotry. But some areas of predominantly-white Appalachia have poverty rates approaching 70%. There's no easy solution. But one thing is clear: The current system isn't the answer.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 04, 2005, 09:19:07 AM
I can read, thanks.  You did use the word "socioeconomic," and it's a good word, and I'm glad you know it.  However, the argument you were describing as addessing "all the significant issues that people disadvantaged by their socioeconomic backgrounds face," refered to using race blind admissions and considering only economic disadvantage.  Race blind = not considering all the significant socioeconomic factors.

I agree with factoring in economic background for everyone.  Also, I'd suggest some consideration of parental education levels.  But you can't be race blind and then pretend to be considering everything that's important about someone's socioeconomic background, because racism is a factor that needs to be seriously looked at regardless of any economic advantages a student may have.

Regarding your suggestion that race be considered only if it is "a relevant and significant factor" is nice in theory, I guess, but I can't imagine how it could be put into practice; how would an ad com ever have any idea how race played a part in a student's life?

i cant tell if you read my follow up post to  BP or not.  in the first bit it looks like you didnt, in the second part it looks like perhaps you did.  when i read what you wrote it looks like two points contradicting each other.  the first part acts as though i said race could never ever be considered (which i did not say).  the second part seems to acknowledge that i said race could be used, only not in a "check box" fashion where you simply check the "correct" box.  it should be included within an evaluation of a person's SE background and evaluated as such.  so which is it?

either way, you say you cant imagine how an adcom could ever have any idea how race played a part in a student's life?  it's called a personal statement or a supplumental essay.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on May 04, 2005, 09:28:46 AM
i cant tell if you read my follow up post to  BP or not.  in the first bit it looks like you didnt, in the second part it looks like perhaps you did.  when i read what you wrote it looks like two points contradicting each other.  the first part acts as though i said race could never ever be considered (which i did not say).  the second part seems to acknowledge that i said race could be used, only not in a "check box" fashion where you simply check the "correct" box.  it should be included within an evaluation of a person's SE background and evaluated as such.  so which is it?

either way, you say you cant imagine how an adcom could ever have any idea how race played a part in a student's life?  it's called a personal statement or a supplumental essay.

It's really not that complicated.  In the first part, I was discussing the post in which you refered to a suggestion that admissions be race blind and consider only economics as considering all important socioeconomic factors.  I disagreed with that post, you took issue with my disagreement, and I responded to that issue.

In the later part, I was discussing your argument as a whole, which is better than the argument you made in that specific post.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 04, 2005, 09:53:41 AM
It's really not that complicated. In the first part, I was discussing the post in which you refered to a suggestion that admissions be race blind and consider only economics as considering all important socioeconomic factors. I disagreed with that post, you took issue with my disagreement, and I responded to that issue.

In the later part, I was discussing your argument as a whole, which is better than the argument you made in that specific post.

no, that's kind of complicated actually. since you had the whole discussion in front of you that means anything that originally may have seen too crypctic or misleading to you was fully explained later.  the whole first part therefore is a strawman argument, why make it at all?

as to your response to my overall issue, well you didnt respond other than say "how would an ad com ever have any idea how race played a part in a student's life?"

which i answered with...personal statement or supplumental essay.

basically you have yet to articulate any clear issue with MY stance.  only strong disagrements with stances you yourself know i didnt hold.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: 95828 on May 19, 2005, 01:10:35 AM
Looks like white people are going crazy as it gets down to the wire. I reckon more and more of these boards will pop up this year. Hey, what are you guys doing to remember my Morehouse brother, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

He said: "I have a dream....that one day, white folk will shut the #@!* up about getting into law school, and realize that they have all the advantages that anyone could possibly have in a white man's world. I have a dream.....that one day, black people will stop giving a #@!* about what white people think, and continue to move forward with our goals of going to law school. One day, we can all sing that old negro spiritual....I'm in law school B*tch! Admitted at last! Admitted at last! Thank God Almighty, I'm admitted at last!"     

LMAO!!!
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: PSUDSL08 on May 19, 2005, 08:56:30 AM
If the goal of AA is to promote diversity, then should a white kid applying to Howard/Morehouse be given a helping hand?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: blk_reign on May 19, 2005, 09:02:05 AM
if your #s and GPA are good you'll get in.. and...  :o in all probability as a white person applying to a HBCU.. u'll get a minority scholarship

If the goal of AA is to promote diversity, then should a white kid applying to Howard/Morehouse be given a helping hand?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: sweatsandtees on May 19, 2005, 10:46:04 AM
Grr every time I see another AA post where people start talking about how unfair AA is I get so annoyed because the application process, whether for school work, etc, is a discriminating process by nature. If a law school received 7000 applications for 260 spots and all of the applicants had the EXACT same stats, what basis would they use to say whether applicant 155 is in and applicant 1789 is not? They use the factors that the school feels will make the entering class diverse in extracurricular activities, culture, race, background, academic major, region, etc. Do I feel that I got into a certain school solely because of AA?? Hell no!! I am a Black female who graduated magna cum laude with a BS in electrical engineering, a field where there are barely even women, let alone black women. I had numerous and extensive extracurricular activities. I had great a personal statement, and great reccommendations. I was very well rounded on my own and I think that if I had left the race box blank, they would have accepted me either way.

Many people naively assume that if they have a certain LSAT score and GPA that they are automatically entitled to admission to the school of thier choice. Sorry but that just is NOT the case. There are, have been, and always will be people with damn near perfect numbers who still get rejected. Is it because some URM took their spot? Hell NO!! They just didn't have what the law school was looking for in terms of the kinds of personalities they want at their school.

AA does not take away from qualified individuals, and no, qualified does not just include your GPA and LSAT score. It is responsibility of ALL applicants to sell themselves on their application and personal statement, and back it up with great reccommendations. If you do that well, regardless of your stats a school of your choice will want you.

One earlier poster said that if a rich black kid and a poor white kid were applying for law school or a job the black kid would get the advantage. Not true. In the case of law school admissions, that white kid needs to sell himself better than the black kid regardless of his race. If he feels that he was at an economic disadvantage then it is up to him to present that to the ad comms. It is up to the individual to let the adcomms know who you are. I feel that most of the people who were "scorned" by AA are really just experienciong the result of not having sold themselves well enough. I beleive that regardless of what AA practice you think are being used, a damn goods applicant is a damn good applicant. You can't expect an adcomm to see a white male with a 2.9 in Poli Sci and 165 after he or she has already seen other white male applicants with a 165 LSAT and much higher GPAs in Poli Sci and them want to pick you with out there being something that makes you stand out. And I don't see that as discrimination based on being white. I see it as the ad comms trying to have more diversity.

Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 19, 2005, 01:28:45 PM
i'm sure you are an impressive candidate (since you graduated magna in EE), but almost everything you say below makes no sense.

Grr every time I see another AA post where people start talking about how unfair AA is I get so annoyed because the application process, whether for school work, etc, is a discriminating process by nature. If a law school received 7000 applications for 260 spots and all of the applicants had the EXACT same stats, what basis would they use to say whether applicant 155 is in and applicant 1789 is not? They use the factors that the school feels will make the entering class diverse in extracurricular activities, culture, race, background, academic major, region, etc. Do I feel that I got into a certain school solely because of AA?? Hell no!! I am a Black female who graduated magna cum laude with a BS in electrical engineering, a field where there are barely even women, let alone black women. I had numerous and extensive extracurricular activities. I had great a personal statement, and great reccommendations. I was very well rounded on my own and I think that if I had left the race box blank, they would have accepted me either way.

Many people naively assume that if they have a certain LSAT score and GPA that they are automatically entitled to admission to the school of thier choice. Sorry but that just is NOT the case. There are, have been, and always will be people with damn near perfect numbers who still get rejected. Is it because some URM took their spot? Hell NO!! They just didn't have what the law school was looking for in terms of the kinds of personalities they want at their school.

AA does not take away from qualified individuals, and no, qualified does not just include your GPA and LSAT score. It is responsibility of ALL applicants to sell themselves on their application and personal statement, and back it up with great reccommendations. If you do that well, regardless of your stats a school of your choice will want you.

One earlier poster said that if a rich black kid and a poor white kid were applying for law school or a job the black kid would get the advantage. Not true. In the case of law school admissions, that white kid needs to sell himself better than the black kid regardless of his race. If he feels that he was at an economic disadvantage then it is up to him to present that to the ad comms. It is up to the individual to let the adcomms know who you are. I feel that most of the people who were "scorned" by AA are really just experienciong the result of not having sold themselves well enough. I beleive that regardless of what AA practice you think are being used, a damn goods applicant is a damn good applicant. You can't expect an adcomm to see a white male with a 2.9 in Poli Sci and 165 after he or she has already seen other white male applicants with a 165 LSAT and much higher GPAs in Poli Sci and them want to pick you with out there being something that makes you stand out. And I don't see that as discrimination based on being white. I see it as the ad comms trying to have more diversity.


Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: sweatsandtees on May 19, 2005, 07:34:45 PM
i'm sure you are an impressive candidate (since you graduated magna in EE), but almost everything you say below makes no sense.


It makes sense to me. Now that I look back, it may not need to be verbose but it basically states that the admissions process is discriminatory by nature, NO ONE is a sure bet on any school solely bacause of their stats (as is seen by the 180 scorers being rejected), and that marketing yourself well enough will get you where you want to be, despite any "setbacks" from AA.

But I do respect your comment. :)
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: amelus on May 19, 2005, 07:47:58 PM
It makes sense to me. Now that I look back, it may not need to be verbose but it basically states that the admissions process is discriminatory by nature, NO ONE is a sure bet on any school solely bacause of their stats (as is seen by the 180 scorers being rejected), and that marketing yourself well enough will get you where you want to be, despite any "setbacks" from AA.

But I do respect your comment. :)

well this is shorter ;). 

i dont understand what you mean by "it is discriminatory by nature"  how? for whom? against whom?

what's your point that "no one is set?"  that someone with a 4.0 and 180 is not 100% assured they will get into yale proves/demonstrates what exactly?

same point here...who cares that "marketing yourself" can help you, what's your point with that?

what does any of this have to do with the issue of "AA" being "fair" or "unfair"?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: ->Soon on September 28, 2006, 09:54:16 AM
its a dog eat dog world.  you have to take a good job if its offered.

id be interested to see the opposite of this poll...
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: TheCanadian on October 03, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
Working in retail is much the same. This one place I used to work at flat out told me they hire only pretty girls. I was appalled, but needed the cash. This same place also had the employees followed Native people around the store to make sure they didn't shoplift. Some restaurants also use selective hiring for waitressing/hosting positions; they require you to attach a photo with your resume.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: ->Soon on October 03, 2006, 08:58:11 AM
Working in retail is much the same. This one place I used to work at flat out told me they hire only pretty girls. I was appalled, but needed the cash. This same place also had the employees followed Native people around the store to make sure they didn't shoplift. Some restaurants also use selective hiring for waitressing/hosting positions; they require you to attach a photo with your resume.

i have no probs with discriminating based on how hot a chick looks.

who wants to go to h00ters and have your burger served by a kathy Bates?

not moi...
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: TheCanadian on October 03, 2006, 09:28:26 AM
Who doesn't want to be served by the beautiful...but if more and more places of employment follow such trends, the poor will continue to get uglier and uglier.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: ->Soon on October 03, 2006, 09:51:43 AM
wont that mesh nicely with your eugenics program?
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: TheCanadian on October 03, 2006, 10:18:44 AM
uh oh...you're on to me...
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: ->Soon on October 03, 2006, 10:38:11 AM
uh oh...you're on me...

wooooooo, i thought it felt nice n cozy.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: TheCanadian on October 03, 2006, 10:46:18 AM
I have a thing for flying nuns.
You dont say?

BTW, so why aren't you blue demon anymore? Did you have a mental episode which you mistook as a religious vision  :P :)
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: ->Soon on October 03, 2006, 10:57:05 AM
I have a thing for flying nuns.
You dont say?

BTW, so why aren't you blue demon anymore? Did you have a mental episode which you mistook as a religious vision  :P :)

i change the name everytime i hit a posting milestone.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: TheCanadian on October 03, 2006, 11:03:11 AM
That's just... ->(http://www.drypen.net/Weird%20Chris.jpg)
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: KillYourself on October 04, 2006, 12:08:42 PM
Didn't read the thread with the exception of the original post. 

Are there really black people who are more qualified than white people?  Isn't this situation that the OP asking about nothing more than a fairy tale?  I hate liars.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: pokeherface on October 04, 2006, 01:16:55 PM
This is one of the dumbest OPs I've ever read.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: bandaidstick on October 04, 2006, 02:05:53 PM
I think just as many black ppl accept AA based acceptances (thus they aren't as qualified and get in over ppl who are) as white people would accept the job. The two are exactly the same. The two are both tacit consent to racism. Both are wrong. there is no difference except that one is institutionalized and the other is not.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: ImVinny! on November 19, 2006, 05:08:30 PM
i think that you are offered a job you should take it. Same thing with admissions, but I do think that AA is wrong.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: iSalute on November 19, 2006, 05:57:31 PM
I'm racist against white people.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: KillYourself on November 20, 2006, 09:11:23 AM
No I am not.  I assumed that was obvious, but I suppose I need to spell it out for you short-bus riders.
Title: Re: Racist Whites
Post by: KillYourself on November 20, 2006, 09:25:22 AM
No I am not.  I assumed that was obvious, but I suppose I need to spell it out for you short-bus riders.

Wow. You are so cool. You just insulted someone because they couldn't determine between sarcasm and seriousness on a message board. I mean really, isn't that what smilies are for?

You seriously win at the internet. And that attitude of yours is sure to attract many people. Maybe you win at life too?

Thanks for your excellent reply.  Do not be upset with me because your parents had you out of wedlock.  You bastard.