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Title: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Ole Lefty on January 15, 2005, 09:03:40 AM
I've always lived in diverse areas, and my campus in undergrad was very diverse.  I think I'd like a mostly white law school, and live in a part of the country that is very white.  I'm just more comfortable in that environment.  People of other backgrounds seek this out as well, so I don't apologize for wanting this.

I'm leaning towards (in no particular order):

1.  University of Kentucky.
2.  Quinnipiac (CT).
3.  University of Idaho.
4.  University of Maine.
5.  University of Montana.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: maka nani on January 15, 2005, 09:08:14 AM
what ciy is Quinnipiac in again?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: hylas99 on January 15, 2005, 09:11:56 AM
Check out some schools in Texas. I think they might be white you are looking for.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Ole Lefty on January 15, 2005, 09:14:10 AM
what ciy is Quinnipiac in again?

Hamden, CT.  75% white.  CT is approx. 80% white.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: maka nani on January 15, 2005, 09:19:34 AM
yea just stay out of Bridgeport and a few other cities and you'll get what you want.....CT has some major differences in population.  Though...lots of states do.  Go to Simsbury, lol.  I went to a soccer camp there...talk about white. 
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Harrahs on January 15, 2005, 09:47:57 AM
aren't most law schools mostly white in mostly white areas?

casino
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on January 15, 2005, 10:02:49 AM
aren't most law schools mostly white in mostly white areas?

casino

Funny I was about to say the same thing
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: kristay on January 15, 2005, 10:06:05 AM
Casino's back!  :)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: maka nani on January 15, 2005, 10:12:24 AM
probably...i dunno....check out the USNWR diversity charts.

i don't really care where i go...as far as diversity goes...I would hope it is a diverse place though i wont choose any schools with that in my criteria...i guess i am neutral.  i have friends of all different races and will still have them in  LS.   :)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: mivida2k on January 15, 2005, 10:30:37 AM
Keep flying.  Keep flying.  White flight is a female dog.  You are surrounded by Mexicans, the French, Africans, and Asians.  Give me some air.  I can breathe.  They are after me and I do not have the copability skills to live on this planet with people with different pigmentations.  Why did God curse me?  Let me go get the Original Gangstas - the KKK.  White Power.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: the REAL desi on January 15, 2005, 10:37:40 AM
have you thought of canadian schools?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: superius on January 15, 2005, 10:49:58 AM
have you thought of canadian schools?

Some Canadian schools are pretty white I am sure, but U of T claims over 30% minority status.  Any of the big cities (Montreal, Vancouver, Toronto) are going to be really diverse.  Toronto supposedly is 44% immigrant population.  Vancouver is lots of Asians.  Montreal is mixed heavily but has a lot of Africans because of the French (all of Frances old african colonies speak french).  I'm from Halifax and although we have a pretty diverse population (second largest language group is Arabic, for example) it is nothing compared to the bigger cities.

As for me personally, I dont really look at the racial makeup of the schools that I am going to but I must admit I would be very uncomfortable arriving at a school that was 60% black or something like that simply because it isn't something I'd be used to.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: mivida2k on January 15, 2005, 10:51:25 AM
Keep flying.  Keep flying.  White flight is a female dog.  You are surrounded by Mexicans, the French, Africans, and Asians.  Give me some air.  I can breathe.  They are after me and I do not have the copability skills to live on this planet with people with different pigmentations.  Why did God curse me?  Let me go get the Original Gangstas - the KKK.  White Power.

Really, that was uncalled for.  What the OP wants is no different than what many others want, including many white people.

Many who want?  Sad state of affairs don't you think?  And we are all Americans.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: superius on January 15, 2005, 10:56:32 AM
What is it about white people that makes you more comfortable in that environment? (I am just curious and would ask the same question of anyone looking for a school of a particular ethnicity. But since white isn't really an ethnicity  ??? ...just wondering.)

What is it about all cultures that make them feel at home around people of their own culture?  Why do places have "Chinatowns" or whatever?  People naturally tend to group around people like them.  I have seen people ask about schools that are not to white and diverse and no one jumps down their throat about it, why is it different when white people ask about white schools? 

Why does it even matter to you that a white person may want to go to school in a white school?  Gawd, why can't people be free to pick the schools they want based on critera that they want?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: LordofLight on January 15, 2005, 10:58:48 AM
Consider also the University of Oregon.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 10:58:56 AM
If you go to Charleston School of Law in Charleston, SC, you can go not only to a white school, but one right near a bunch of plantations!  Wouldn't that be awesome?!

HTH

I almost spit out my juice HAHAHAHA....

I don't believe that it's uncalled for at all... It's unfortunate that so many people still have this view. Complaining about URM "taking their spots". Got news for you- if we got the spot we earned it, you didn't so there HA.

So Old Lefty since you've "grown up in diverse areas" have you reached the point where you feel that enough is enough?? Sometimes I wish we didn't have to be around people like you (with your mentality) myself, however I'm stuck so go figure. What makes you uncomfortable about being in an area or an institution with diversity? As long as you are White you will be around cultures.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: superius on January 15, 2005, 11:00:23 AM

Welcome to the life of many minorities every day. Except it's usually more like 85%.


Ya welcome to the life of minorities, which is one of the reasons I wouldn't want to be in that situation.  It can't be all that fun.  It has certainly made you a bitter and cynical person to live amongst people not of your culture/race/etc...

Also, blk_reign,

Who said anything about AA and people not getting spots they deserve?  Only you did...why?  I for one support AA but what does that have to do with the OP wanting to go to a white law school?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 11:04:07 AM
No one's bitter. We're simply stating fact. So what is white culture anyway?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 11:06:12 AM
I've pondered this viewpoint myself.

I went to an elementary school in an inner city where I was one of TWELVE white students (no exaggeration- that was the total for all six grades).

I think it made me a better person.

But I've also come to conclude that it's not racist to want to live among certain people.  If I choose to live among people who are purple, that's my choice.

We all have personal freedom.

Racism, on the other hand, is where you wish to deter another's personal freedom through intimidation or physical violence.  If I want to live near white people and decide that the best way to do that is to scare off black people, that's racism.  But if I go online and do some research and decide that Montana is the whitest place around, there's nothing racist about packing my bags and buying a couple plane tickets.

In fact, it would be racist to make the person stay where they don't want to be- is this not slavery?

The decision to live among people who look and think like yourself might be ignorant, stupid, and lazy- but it's not racist.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 11:07:01 AM

Welcome to the life of many minorities every day. Except it's usually more like 85%.


Ya welcome to the life of minorities, which is one of the reasons I wouldn't want to be in that situation.  It can't be all that fun.  It has certainly made you a bitter and cynical person to live amongst people not of your culture/race/etc...

Also, blk_reign,

Who said anything about AA and people not getting spots they deserve?  Only you did...why?  I for one support AA but what does that have to do with the OP wanting to go to a white law school?

Actually a LOT of people have said that on this board, not in this thread specifically but it is written all over lawschooldiscussion.org...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 11:07:53 AM
No one's bitter. We're simply stating fact. So what is white culture anyway?


Your passive-aggressiveness both astounds and impresses me.  Good job.

I'm thinking about changing my screen name to "wht_rules", BTW.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 11:12:24 AM
What if you want to go to a white law school not because you hate different races but you just REALLY, REALLY like white people?

Like they turn you on, like some people get off on feathers and hot wax, others just really dig other white people.  There's no reason for it- it's just there, crying out like an animal that needs to be fed.  Is that so wrong?

Let the people explore their sexual preferences, for cryin' out loud!

 ;)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 11:14:50 AM
change your name if you'd like...doesn't bother me any... Just shows how disconnected you are. My screenname isn't blk_reigns, blk_rules etc.. Instead of ASSuming there's a hidden message you should simply ask what it means. There's no need for me to be aggressive here. I simply asked a question that has yet to be answered. What is White culture?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: WoeIsMe on January 15, 2005, 11:15:09 AM
I've pondered this viewpoint myself.

I went to an elementary school in an inner city where I was one of TWELVE white students (no exaggeration- that was the total for all six grades).

I think it made me a better person.

But I've also come to conclude that it's not racist to want to live among certain people.  If I choose to live among people who are purple, that's my choice.

We all have personal freedom.

Racism, on the other hand, is where you wish to deter another's personal freedom through intimidation or physical violence.  If I want to live near white people and decide that the best way to do that is to scare off black people, that's racism.  But if I go online and do some research and decide that Montana is the whitest place around, there's nothing racist about packing my bags and buying a couple plane tickets.

In fact, it would be racist to make the person stay where they don't want to be- is this not slavery?

The decision to live among people who look and think like yourself might be ignorant, stupid, and lazy- but it's not racist.

This is a really interesting post.  I would argue that moving to a place because it's white is prejudiced, but not discriminatory.  It's still technically "racist" however, since it's action based upon racial justification.

You make a good point.  I wonder what would happen in this scenario if Chicano people started moving en masse to Montana and upset the balance?  Interesting thought.


give me a break.. that's as good as saying someone choosing Harvard is doing so because they're prejudice against stupid people.. someone choosing florida state is prejudice against anti football people.. someone choosing a primarily female college is anti male.. and someone choosing MIT is prejudice against anti-science people.

btw: your comment with the plantation really showed the earnest interest.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Elaine on January 15, 2005, 11:15:40 AM
Why do places have "Chinatowns" or whatever?

Probably because at the time these areas were formed white people didn't want them anywhere else. Not saying they wouldn't have formed otherwise but I don't think that it was entirely a matter of choice.

The OP had to have known that posting something like this would evoke some negative reaction. It wouldn't take much time to research this and find out this information for yourself.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: superius on January 15, 2005, 11:16:56 AM
I am calm.  Mobell if you think taunting the OP by mentioning plantations and accusing him of "white flight" is the mature way to go about things then I really don't know what to tell you. 

Of course it has to do with socialization, I never said it didn't.  If you look at my message I talked about culture and not genetics or race so I am not really sure what your point is.  People naturally want to be around people of their own culture because they understand it.  Cultural differences can be extreme (ie drop me, a unilingual English speaker into Japan or France or Germany and it would be impossible for me to function--if I found a group of English people there I'd want to be around them) or they can be less extreme (ie differences in food, some cultures have a lot of pork in their diet while others dont eat pork for religious reasons).  The level of comfort one feels is personal for everyone. 

Finally, I'm deeply sorry for my immaturity.  Next time I'll stick to the mature topics:  plantations, white flight, etc...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: critic on January 15, 2005, 11:19:52 AM
I just want to point out one thing:

The original poster on this board said that he wanted to go to a white school to be around white people. He also said, rightfully, that other white people felt the same way, and other white posters on this board agreed that they simply felt more comfortable around other white people.

Therefore, minority people are disadvantaged when applying for jobs in mostly white corporations (which, lets face it, are most law corporations) because white employers would prefer to hire a white applicant who they admittedly feel more comfortable around.

If minority applicants are thus disadvantaged in applying to jobs, we can all understand why there is a need for affirmative action in law school admissions to "level the playing field".

I am a huge proponent of AA, and am frankly thrilled that the white posters here admitted wholeheartedly to the main argument behind affirmative action.

Cool, go to your white schools. But you can't say you "don't get" affirmative action anymore.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 11:23:54 AM
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/30000.html


Montana is 0.3% black.  That's not a typo.

change your name if you'd like...doesn't bother me any... Just shows how disconnected you are. My screenname isn't blk_reigns, blk_rules etc.. Instead of ASSuming there's a hidden message you should simply ask what it means. There's no need for me to be aggressive here. I simply asked a question that has yet to be answered. What is White culture?


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=reign

Lemme tell you, it was heard deciphering the hidden message in your name- I had to visit another website!  Horrors!

As far as White Culture is concerned, it mostly revolves around watching Frasier reruns and drinking Miller High Life after playing croquet.

And then there's Stonehenge.  And the Mona Lisa.

Take your pick.


Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 11:26:17 AM
I've pondered this viewpoint myself.

I went to an elementary school in an inner city where I was one of TWELVE white students (no exaggeration- that was the total for all six grades).

I think it made me a better person.

But I've also come to conclude that it's not racist to want to live among certain people.  If I choose to live among people who are purple, that's my choice.

We all have personal freedom.

Racism, on the other hand, is where you wish to deter another's personal freedom through intimidation or physical violence.  If I want to live near white people and decide that the best way to do that is to scare off black people, that's racism.  But if I go online and do some research and decide that Montana is the whitest place around, there's nothing racist about packing my bags and buying a couple plane tickets.

In fact, it would be racist to make the person stay where they don't want to be- is this not slavery?

The decision to live among people who look and think like yourself might be ignorant, stupid, and lazy- but it's not racist.

This is a really interesting post.  I would argue that moving to a place because it's white is prejudiced, but not discriminatory.  It's still technically "racist" however, since it's action based upon racial justification.

You make a good point.  I wonder what would happen in this scenario if Chicano people started moving en masse to Montana and upset the balance?  Interesting thought.


give me a break.. that's as good as saying someone choosing Harvard is doing so because they're prejudice against stupid people.. someone choosing florida state is prejudice against anti football people.. someone choosing a primarily female college is anti male.. and someone choosing MIT is prejudice against anti-science people.

btw: your comment with the plantation really showed the earnest interest.

Um...actually that isn't true. The original poster stated that he/she grew up in diverse areas and was ready for a change. So it's obvious that he/she is seeking to eliminate being around diversity.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 11:29:53 AM
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/30000.html


Montana is 0.3% black.  That's not a typo.

change your name if you'd like...doesn't bother me any... Just shows how disconnected you are. My screenname isn't blk_reigns, blk_rules etc.. Instead of ASSuming there's a hidden message you should simply ask what it means. There's no need for me to be aggressive here. I simply asked a question that has yet to be answered. What is White culture?


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=reign

Lemme tell you, it was heard deciphering the hidden message in your name- I had to visit another website!  Horrors!

As far as White Culture is concerned, it mostly revolves around watching Frasier reruns and drinking Miller High Life after playing croquet.

And then there's Stonehenge.  And the Mona Lisa.

Take your pick.




HMM I Love Frasier... I know the dictionary meaning of reign genius- however that doesn't     enlighten you any further on the basis of my screenname..
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Elaine on January 15, 2005, 11:32:43 AM
change your name if you'd like...doesn't bother me any... Just shows how disconnected you are. My screenname isn't blk_reigns, blk_rules etc.. Instead of ASSuming there's a hidden message you should simply ask what it means. There's no need for me to be aggressive here. I simply asked a question that has yet to be answered. What is White culture?

I would say that "white" culture is no more diffuse or difficult to recognize than any other identifiable group.  Puerta Rico is inhabited by people with very diverse backgrounds?  Is there no Puerta Rican culture?  Cuba, ditto.  No Cuban culture?  Brazil, ditto.  No Brazilian culture?  Mexico, ditto.  No Mexican culture?

You cannot compare white to Mexican or Cuban or any of the above you mentioned. Those have clear ethnic and even geographic distinctions.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 11:33:48 AM
You can't be human and not have a culture.  If you don't have a culture, then that's your culture.  Fun, isn't it?

blk_reign's premise is absurd.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: TheZooker on January 15, 2005, 11:34:39 AM
I just want to point out one thing:

The original poster on this board said that he wanted to go to a white school to be around white people. He also said, rightfully, that other white people felt the same way, and other white posters on this board agreed that they simply felt more comfortable around other white people.

Therefore, minority people are disadvantaged when applying for jobs in mostly white corporations (which, lets face it, are most law corporations) because white employers would prefer to hire a white applicant who they admittedly feel more comfortable around.

If minority applicants are thus disadvantaged in applying to jobs, we can all understand why there is a need for affirmative action in law school admissions to "level the playing field".

I am a huge proponent of AA, and am frankly thrilled that the white posters here admitted wholeheartedly to the main argument behind affirmative action.

Cool, go to your white schools. But you can't say you "don't get" affirmative action anymore.

Too bad you left out entirely the incentive of a law partner to maximize profits, ostensibly by hiring the best, most qualified candidates.  In my limited business experience, profit has been king, not 'likeability' or comfort.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 11:35:57 AM
change your name if you'd like...doesn't bother me any... Just shows how disconnected you are. My screenname isn't blk_reigns, blk_rules etc.. Instead of ASSuming there's a hidden message you should simply ask what it means. There's no need for me to be aggressive here. I simply asked a question that has yet to be answered. What is White culture?

I would say that "white" culture is no more diffuse or difficult to recognize than any other identifiable group.  Puerta Rico is inhabited by people with very diverse backgrounds?  Is there no Puerta Rican culture?  Cuba, ditto.  No Cuban culture?  Brazil, ditto.  No Brazilian culture?  Mexico, ditto.  No Mexican culture?

This is not an answer to her question; it just obscures it.  Most cultures have specific markers that are generally (although not universally) held.  What are these cultural markers for White people?

Let's start with something that is not generating so much heat, but might still help with this discussion.

What are the "markers" for Brazilian culture?  Mexican culture?  Cuban culture?  From that we can perhaps determine why or why not white people don't have a "culture."


How about not.. I asked a specific question about White culture. Explaining other cultures doesn't identify what White culture is; nor does it take away from what it isn't. I'm just waiting for a definition of what it is.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: critic on January 15, 2005, 11:36:27 AM
I just want to point out one thing:

The original poster on this board said that he wanted to go to a white school to be around white people. He also said, rightfully, that other white people felt the same way, and other white posters on this board agreed that they simply felt more comfortable around other white people.

Therefore, minority people are disadvantaged when applying for jobs in mostly white corporations (which, lets face it, are most law corporations) because white employers would prefer to hire a white applicant who they admittedly feel more comfortable around.

If minority applicants are thus disadvantaged in applying to jobs, we can all understand why there is a need for affirmative action in law school admissions to "level the playing field".

I am a huge proponent of AA, and am frankly thrilled that the white posters here admitted wholeheartedly to the main argument behind affirmative action.

Cool, go to your white schools. But you can't say you "don't get" affirmative action anymore.

Too bad you left out entirely the incentive of a law partner to maximize profits, ostensibly by hiring the best, most qualified candidates.  In my limited business experience, profit has been king, not 'likeability' or comfort.

? You obviously mostly work better with people you are comfortable around versus uncomfortable to be around.
LOL I didn't think I needed to point that out.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: superius on January 15, 2005, 11:38:39 AM
blk_reign,

I am aware that AA is discussed in other threads but not this one.  No one was arguing about AA on this thread at all.  It is really not relevant to the discussion, as far as I can tell.  Critic, I also agree AA is a good thing.  A lot of people were screwed over by bad policies and it has had a multi-generational effect and a just society must work to balance the playing field.  Further if a white person can point to disadvantage in their background and demonstrate how it hurt them in UG/etc... in their PS then it will be taken into account just like URM status and the racist policies of north american governments, companies and universities have disadvantaged non-whites.  The people who cry about AA are often those that slacked through UG and have no disadvantage to blame it on (notice I didn't say everyone so if you don't fit this category save the flaming for another time) and thus have to attack others to make them feel good about their own failures.  Anyway.

Also back to blk_reign (i got sidetracked there) what is white culture?  To begin, as you must know, it is very difficult to say what is "white" or "black" culture for that matter.  Culture is not based on genetics.  A black male that is a 3rd generation new yorker is going to have a lot different culture than someone from Ghana.  I had 2 black roommates last year  with one from Ghana and one from Antigua.  They were both in only their second year away from their home countries and they had radically different cultures.  They didn't share a common culture so how could you say they come from a "black culture"?  Now that I have laid that out, back to your original question: what is white culture?  It really depends on where you are from.  The white people in Scotland have a very distinct culture.  We don't call what Scottish people do "white culture" yet they are for the most part white.  Same goes for places like France, Britain, Germany, etc...  We call it German culture, not white culture yet all these countries are fairly white.  Lets look to the United States and see the dress of whites in the USA is for the most part similar, as is the shared language.  In certain areas musical taste is common (ie country music or "southern" rock) and it seems to be shared largely by the white folks in the area.  In my own hometown the food we ate was fairly similar (if you remove crap like McDonalds and stuff like that and did a study on what people cook at home I bet you'd see some definate cultural/religious patterns in diet form).  There is no one monolithic white culture, the same as there is no monolithic black culture. 
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 11:39:09 AM
You can't be human and not have a culture.  If you don't have a culture, then that's your culture.  Fun, isn't it?

blk_reign's premise is absurd.

hmm still isn't a definitive response to the question ::)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 11:39:35 AM
This is ridiculous.

Of course there's no "white culture" unless you want to argue that there are certain traits and customs that bind various Caucasian societies (certainly doable but I like the time and inclination)

But there's definitely...

Swedish culture...
British culture...
French culture...
German culture...
and so on and so on...

Now, one cannot effectively argue that since there are blacks in these cultures that then the culture is not "white", since one could make the same arguments for whites living among blacks in Africa.  If this is true, then no subset's culture exists anywhere.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Elaine on January 15, 2005, 11:40:31 AM
change your name if you'd like...doesn't bother me any... Just shows how disconnected you are. My screenname isn't blk_reigns, blk_rules etc.. Instead of ASSuming there's a hidden message you should simply ask what it means. There's no need for me to be aggressive here. I simply asked a question that has yet to be answered. What is White culture?

I would say that "white" culture is no more diffuse or difficult to recognize than any other identifiable group.  Puerta Rico is inhabited by people with very diverse backgrounds?  Is there no Puerta Rican culture?  Cuba, ditto.  No Cuban culture?  Brazil, ditto.  No Brazilian culture?  Mexico, ditto.  No Mexican culture?

You cannot compare white to Mexican or Cuban or any of the above you mentioned. Those have clear ethnic and even geographic distinctions.

Really?  Clear "ethnic" distinctions?  Are there other countries that go by the same names?  Is there another Brazil?  Another Puerta Rico?  Another Cuba?  Another Mexico?  They have "clear ethnic distinctions," and white people don't?

What country do white people come from? Can you be Mexican if you or your ancestors didn't originate from Mexico? What ethnicity are you if you are white? Comparing hispanic to white would have been closer.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 11:43:29 AM
You can't be human and not have a culture.  If you don't have a culture, then that's your culture.  Fun, isn't it?

blk_reign's premise is absurd.

hmm still isn't a definitive response to the question ::)

I think I definitively proved that all humans have culture... are you saying white people aren't human?

You're such a racist.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: goodadvice (account resigned) on January 15, 2005, 11:44:02 AM
I've always lived in diverse areas, and my campus in undergrad was very diverse.  I think I'd like a mostly white law school, and live in a part of the country that is very white.  I'm just more comfortable in that environment.  People of other backgrounds seek this out as well, so I don't apologize for wanting this.

I'm leaning towards (in no particular order):

1.  University of Kentucky.
2.  Quinnipiac (CT).
3.  University of Idaho.
4.  University of Maine.
5.  University of Montana.

Getting back to the original poster's question ...

Be careful, because there are many different types of white people. Some types of white people might not be as accepted in some schools, as other types. For example, if you're Jewish white, you might not be as welcome in the midwest, as you would be in the northeast. Similarly, if you're a southern white who speaks with an accent, you might want to stay out of the northeast. As another example, if you're very fat and so white that you'll never tan, you might want to stay out of UC San Diego.

So that the posters can better advise you on which school is best, can we ask what type of white person you are?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: critic on January 15, 2005, 11:44:25 AM


I am aware that AA is discussed in other threads but not this one.  No one was arguing about AA on this thread at all.  It is really not relevant to the discussion, as far as I can tell.  Critic, I also agree AA is a good thing.  A lot of people were screwed over by bad policies and it has had a multi-generational effect and a just society must work to balance the playing field. 

Affirmative action isn't just about bad policies from the past and multi-generational effects.
The point I was making, based on evidence from this thread, is that affirmative action is there to combat racism that takes place right now.
Relevent or not I brought it up because the evidence was right here. And clearly its a point that not everyone has as of yet understood.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 11:48:23 AM
Black culture consists of two things-

1. A hollowed-out version of European culture (Christianity, social customs, holidays, etc.)

2. And the noble and traditional customs of their ancestors, which 97% of American blacks are either ignorant about or choose to disdain.  Real African culture exists in Africa, not in America- at least not in any discernible degree.

Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: superius on January 15, 2005, 11:49:26 AM
mobell,
well if i misunderstood your plantations comment I do appologze.  I am also admitting I had the white flight wrong, it was another poster and I was just reading along and not paying enough attention (it was directly under one of your posts so there is some feeble attempt at justifyign my mistake, lol).  Anyway, it would be awfully awkward to say that people "nurturedly" seek out those of their own culture.  I think that although naturally may not be the absolute, correct and literal term to use it can certainly be interpreted they way I meant it to be, especially with my addition of culture in the same sentance.  Now maybe some people think genetics determine culture and could misunderstand but they can't be helped.

Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 11:51:45 AM
LOL.. Now I'm racist?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: TheZooker on January 15, 2005, 11:52:59 AM
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? You obviously mostly work better with people you are comfortable around versus uncomfortable to be around.
LOL I didn't think I needed to point that out.
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Actually, you do need to point out your unwarranted assumptions.  You are assuming that people work better when around those they are most comfortable with.  THis is your assumption, and your argument doesn't hold without this assumption.  You cannot, however, in any way substantiate this.  I would argue (from experience in working in groups with friends, where we got nothing done, just talked about girls) that your assumption is false. 

Regardless, I found it comical how you presumed to boil this 'whole AA thing' down into one statement, and thereby 'solve' it for us.  Thanks for the exhaustively researched, highly credible answer to that social problem.  What do you think we should do about social security and the middle east, while you're at it?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: critic on January 15, 2005, 11:53:29 AM
Black culture consists of two things-

1. A hollowed-out version of European culture (Christianity, social customs, holidays, etc.)

2. And the noble and traditional customs of their ancestors, which 97% of American blacks are either ignorant about or choose to disdain.  Real African culture exists in Africa, not in America- at least not in any discernible degree.



you really sound like you know what you are talking about. lol.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 11:55:16 AM
I think that what exists in America is very distinctly an "American" culture, for lack of a better word.

Many different cultures mix together but do not entirely coalesce- the salad bowl theory.

This means, very simply, that although there are several different cultures, there are also very distinct pockets of said cultures.  For the OP, it makes complete sense to think that there are some law schools that share more of his culture than others.  I'm sure there's a law school that has more of a Jewish culture than others, and I wouldn't consider a Jew who chose to go there racist.

Likewise, I'm sure there's a strong Polish culture in parts of Michigan, strong Asian cultures in parts of New York, and strong Native American cultures in parts of Oklahoma.  

My point is, there is probably a law school that fits closest to the OP's culture.

If he is a WASP, sadly enough, it is probably most of them.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 12:00:31 PM
Black culture consists of two things-

1. A hollowed-out version of European culture (Christianity, social customs, holidays, etc.)

2. And the noble and traditional customs of their ancestors, which 97% of American blacks are either ignorant about or choose to disdain.  Real African culture exists in Africa, not in America- at least not in any discernible degree.



you really sound like you know what you are talking about. lol.


Do you really think that the white people successfully converted thousands of Native Americans and African-Americans to Christianity even while enslaving them for the love of God?  By removing their cultures and inserting their own they brainwashed them...

It would serve African-Americans well to go back to their roots, and once again figure out who they are... most of them still use the last names of their ancestral slaveowners...

I, personally, would rather die.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 12:04:38 PM
so we're all American, however we come in different shades. What makes my darker American skin different from your lighter American skin? What's so different about our American culture? And why is it more comfortable to be around lighter American skinned individuals?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: critic on January 15, 2005, 12:06:17 PM
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? You obviously mostly work better with people you are comfortable around versus uncomfortable to be around.
LOL I didn't think I needed to point that out.
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Actually, you do need to point out your unwarranted assumptions.  You are assuming that people work better when around those they are most comfortable with.  THis is your assumption, and your argument doesn't hold without this assumption.  You cannot, however, in any way substantiate this.  I would argue (from experience in working in groups with friends, where we got nothing done, just talked about girls) that your assumption is false. 

Regardless, I found it comical how you presumed to boil this 'whole AA thing' down into one statement, and thereby 'solve' it for us.  Thanks for the exhaustively researched, highly credible answer to that social problem.  What do you think we should do about social security and the middle east, while you're at it?

I would go into the whole "comfortable" discussion in greater depth with you but I get the sense from the rest of your post that discussion isn't the direction your moving in. I'm going to interpret you making personal comments about me (something I have not done about you) as a defensive, last resort effort by you to make a point when you realize you have already  lost the argument. lol
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 15, 2005, 12:09:16 PM
I've always lived in diverse areas, and my campus in undergrad was very diverse.  I think I'd like a mostly white law school, and live in a part of the country that is very white.  I'm just more comfortable in that environment.  People of other backgrounds seek this out as well, so I don't apologize for wanting this.

This post hits many of us on a gut level -- we fell there is something quite insensitive about it, but none of us has pinpointed why yet.  I'll try.

To me there's a big, glaring difference with what the OP said about wanting to live with white people, and with what people might commonly say about living with a diverse population.  Why?

B/c of the language of exlusion.  If you say you want to live with lots of types of people, you obviously aren't saying you specifically want to avoid anybody.  If a person says they want to live with different types of people, they aren't saying they want to live in an area that's as black as they can find.  On the other hand, what the OP said is very exclusionary.  What he said, that he wants to live in the whitest area he can find (his whole question was that of wanting a list of the most white schools) he necessarily is saying that he wants the non-white population to be non-existant or as small as possible.  As I see it, this is exclusionary language.

And in my opinion racism doesn't require "intimidation or physical violence," as a previous poster said.  Let me ask this previous poster whether they are a racial minority -- just seems odd that white people should be defining racism in terms that constrict it -- you seem to be defining it to suit your needs.

No, racism is about a majority culture excluding a minority culture b/c of the minority culture's race.  That's all -- that's all it takes.  It is one thing for a group of people in a minority people to gather together for mutual protection and identiy.  It is another thing for a group in the minority to gather together -- because it's not about mutual protection (they don't need it) and it's not about identity (for the culture is largely based on what the majority decides it wants it to be).  When a group of people in the majority bands together without people in the minority, it is not about the same things as if it were the other way around.  It is about exclusion -- and finding ways to exclude, not protection -- and finding ways to protect.

It can be a tough thing to understand -- but try your best to take on the perspective of somebody who doesn't have the same cultural protections that white people, by and large, do.  
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: superius on January 15, 2005, 12:13:10 PM
Congratulations!  We have established that there is no such thing as a definitive "White" culture, although there are cultures like Scottish, Swedish, etc. that involve White people.  That's what I was driving at this whole time.  And since that is true, that makes the OP's whole premise of going to a place where people share his/her "culture" baseless.  Thanks for sealing the deal on that point for me.

Actually it does not make the OPs point baseless.  Caucasian-American culture, which is what the OP will likely encounter at an American university, shares similarities as well.  Certainly common ground exists no matter what area of the country you go to.  For example, almost all the white people in the USA will speak english.  If you go to a school where a large chunk of students speak French, Japanese, Chinese, Arabic and other languages the culture is back in play. 

A friend from Florida tells me that I am going to experience huge culture shock if I end up selecting a school in the US south (something I am probably going to do if given the opportunity) because eastern Canada is much different than Alabama (for example).  But if I were to go to Alabama it is likely that most people there would be speaking English.  Whereas if I go to U of Miami (without knowing the makeup of the school) I would probably suffer even more culture shock due to the large Spanish speaking population.  Now I know I am moving away from schools a bit here (but the OP also mentioned areas), but we can assume that Miami is not the only city in the united states that has radically different minority populations.  All around the south you are going to have large numbers of Mexicans along the border with different culture and language.  Their culture is going to be so radically different than the OPs that no matter where he goes if it is a predominantly white area it will be more similar than different.  That being said, if the OP were to go to a school that is largely African-American, english and north american in nature it will also not be that different than what he is used to.  But it could also be different in ways too.  I admit I know little/nothing about southern Black culture but I hear it is different than southern white culture.  Given that there is likely two different southern cultures (lets limit it to black/white even if not correct) which do you think is more similar to life in Vermont?  Maybe they are both radically different, maybe one is closer than the other.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 12:14:00 PM
I don't know- why would a black teenager be more comfortable with other young black teenagers than say at a Bar Mitzvah?  

Why would a white construction worker from Michigan be more comfortable with his white michigan friends than at a reservation in Oklahoma?

Take an Asian from ChinaTown and drop him into a Korean culture and I'm sure he'd be just fine...  they even look somewhat the same... I'm sure they'd do fine.

If we were all robots, things like our different pasts and upbringings wouldn't matter.  But, we're HUMAN, so they do.  We've been biologically wired to trust things that look most like us.

If you're a Neanderthal with animal bones around your neck and you're walking down a path and encounter the following people, which one do you think he'll be most wary of?

1.  The fellow Neanderthal with animal bones around his neck and similar weapons, etc.

2.  Or the explorer from Africa with face paint and strange weapons.

This isn't racism, it biological commonsense.

One could argue that now that we're "civilized" (HAHA) this shouldn't occur.  Try telling that to your boner when a hot girl walks by.  These things are ingrained into our beings, whether we like it or not.    
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: the REAL desi on January 15, 2005, 12:16:28 PM
I would be very uncomfortable arriving at a school that was 60% black or something like that simply because it isn't something I'd be used to.

which law school, other than Howard and FAMU have a black population that is even close to that percentage?  my own law school is probably 70% outright while, and an additional 20% white-washed minorities
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 12:18:08 PM
I would be very uncomfortable arriving at a school that was 60% black or something like that simply because it isn't something I'd be used to.

which law school, other than Howard and FAMU have a black population that is even close to that percentage? my own law school is probably 70% outright while, and an additional 20% white-washed minorities

You're attacking her premise but not acknowledging her feelings... I don't think it's wrong that she realizes she'd be uncomfortable in a majority black enviroment... I also don't think it's wrong if she decides to go somewhere else because of it.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 15, 2005, 12:18:21 PM
Black culture consists of two things-

1. A hollowed-out version of European culture (Christianity, social customs, holidays, etc.)

2. And the noble and traditional customs of their ancestors, which 97% of American blacks are either ignorant about or choose to disdain.  Real African culture exists in Africa, not in America- at least not in any discernible degree.


This is one of the most racist comments I've ever seen on this board.  It speaks of such incredible ignorance on the part of its poster that I can even begin to respond.

I suggest that instead of telling African Americans where they need to go to find their "real" culture that you learn a little bit yourself about black history in this country.  Black people have over a three hundred year history in this country -- I suggest you take a serious look at it.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: WOMBAT on January 15, 2005, 12:23:58 PM
So does anyone have any suggestions for the original poster?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 15, 2005, 12:24:50 PM
Yes, I responded directly to the original poster a few posts ago -- check it out.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 12:25:04 PM
Yes Black people have a long history of culture in American History- but it is nothing more than a subset of a rich and varied American culture-

You just cannot read a Black poet writing in English and wearing European clothes and agree that his voice is distinctly African.  He has, as someone posted earlier, been white-washed.

What we've witness in black culture the last few centuries is nothing more than a rotting sideshow compared to the gleeming spectacle that was African culture in millenia past.

Exhibit A:  Lil' Kim
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: the REAL desi on January 15, 2005, 12:25:19 PM
You're attacking her premise but not acknowledging her feelings... I don't think it's wrong that she realizes she'd be uncomfortable in a majority black enviroment... I also don't think it's wrong if she decides to go somewhere else because of it.

feelings are very irrelevant.  do you think that people's feelings about crime should be a factor when considering Penn?  what about the fact that new haven is a sh!thole?  or that Atlanta is considered #2 crime/ghetto in the country.  how can one grow intellectually and professionally if one doesn't push aside such bullsh!t (and yes, they are bullsh!t) feelings?  she will potentially have black clients, will have to go to black neighborhoods, and gasp, stop for gas at a gas station owned by indian people!

the fact of the matter is that law schools thrive on diversity (racial, sexual oritentation, background, etc).

by this reasoning, i should say that I don't want to go to law school with poor people, because i've never been around poor people my whole life, and I would feel uncomfortable around poor people.  on the contrary, i know that there are truly poor people at my law school who have amazing intellectual capabilities that have been offered a substantial education.  i applaud my law school for providing these people an opportunity they might not have otherwise had.

Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 15, 2005, 12:27:26 PM
You're attacking her premise but not acknowledging her feelings... I don't think it's wrong that she realizes she'd be uncomfortable in a majority black enviroment... I also don't think it's wrong if she decides to go somewhere else because of it.

feelings are very irrelevant.  do you think that people's feelings about crime should be a factor when considering Penn?  what about the fact that new haven is a sh!thole?  or that Atlanta is considered #2 crime/ghetto in the country.  how can one grow intellectually and professionally if one doesn't push aside such bullsh!t (and yes, they are bullsh!t) feelings?  she will potentially have black clients, will have to go to black neighborhoods, and gasp, stop for gas at a gas station owned by indian people!

the fact of the matter is that law schools thrive on diversity (racial, sexual oritentation, background, etc).

by this reasoning, i should say that I don't want to go to law school with poor people, because i've never been around poor people my whole life, and I would feel uncomfortable around poor people.  on the contrary, i know that there are truly poor people at my law school who have amazing intellectual capabilities that have been offered a substantial education.  i applaud my law school for providing these people an opportunity they might not have otherwise had.



Feelings are very irrelevant? 

Are you a computer or just a well-trained Marine? ;)

I apologize for having feelings... I'll go sign up for the electro-shock therapy today.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: the REAL desi on January 15, 2005, 12:29:25 PM
i'm a person that realizes that personal feelings about such bullsh!t issues should never be a factor in a decision like this.

additionally, aren't you from Arkansas?  i grew up in Oklahoma, so I can see how you'd sympathize with someone like this.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 15, 2005, 12:30:29 PM
You just cannot read a Black poet writing in English and wearing European clothes and agree that his voice is distinctly African.  He has, as someone posted earlier, been white-washed.

What we've witness in black culture the last few centuries is nothing more than a rotting sideshow compared to the gleeming spectacle that was African culture in millenia past.


Wow.. that's all I've got to say.  Wow...  He actually just called African American culture a "rotting sideshow."  Wow.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: superius on January 15, 2005, 12:31:36 PM
Eva,

You selectively quoted my message and tried to make an issue out of something that doesn't exist.  I started by saying that I did not look at racial makeup of the schools I applied to (some may have large minority backgrounds, I do not know) and I really have no clue which schools have large numbers of black students in them.  Since I am applying largely to southern schools I am pretty sure I will be seeing black people around (probably lots even if it isn't in the school). 

I would also argue that your examples are not appropriate.  Getting gas for 5 minutes at a station owned by native americans is not even close to living as a minority for three years.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 12:54:48 PM
Yes Black people have a long history of culture in American History- but it is nothing more than a subset of a rich and varied American culture-

You just cannot read a Black poet writing in English and wearing European clothes and agree that his voice is distinctly African.  He has, as someone posted earlier, been white-washed.

What we've witness in black culture the last few centuries is nothing more than a rotting sideshow compared to the gleeming spectacle that was African culture in millenia past.

Exhibit A:  Lil' Kim

It some cases you could say almost the opposite. Look at music for instance. Most American music derives form music developed by Americans from African decent. You could also say that a good part of the heart and soul of Christianity today is in African American communities.  Hell European culture, like every other culture, is based heavily on the culture of its neighbors and those it came in contact with

You could also say the same thing, albeit a bit more indirectly about other American cultures. Southern culture for instance would have been damn near impossible without the abundance of slave labor.

As for the poet example, his voice is not Africa, you are right. It is instead the voice of a black man in America writing about his unique experiences. Same as a person of Irish decent writing a poem about life in America.

American culture is so hard to define because we are one of the few countries on earth that embraces multiculturalism and recognizes the hybridization of cultures. For instance I am an atheist who embraces Christian holidays, a white guy who enjoys black comedy, and an American who loves Chinese food. I am no way unique in this regard and probably don't now a single person who would fit entirely into one cultural stereotype. However historically speaking this is rather unique. One of the freedoms we should have in America is to define our own culture, separate form our parents, our race, or our ethnicity. This is not to say that these things often correlate with culture, but I feel that our greatest strength is that we are not just one thing, but are instead an amalgamation of various cultures. 
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: hylas99 on January 15, 2005, 01:31:06 PM
This is some of the best trolling I have ever encountered. Please..keep going!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: billymahogany on January 15, 2005, 01:41:34 PM
BYU.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: psr13 on January 15, 2005, 05:03:33 PM
There is no such thing as a white culture. Every country that is considered white has more than one culture. There are many different cultures for different white people. Someone from Finland will have a very different culture than someone from Italy. Someone from Northern Finalnd will have a very different culture than someone from Southern Finland. People say that we whites are destroying the cultures of minorites. We are also destroying our own cultures. I am Finnish, and the only reason I know anything of my culture is that I study it. I should say that my ancestors are from Lapland in Finland. There is no way that I have been living in my culture my entire life as many people say.

Anyway, I would not like to go to an all white school. I am not comfortable with a lot of white people. I am from and area that is well balanced. I much prefer and equal mixing like I got where I am from. It was seriously almost 30% each for white, Hispanic, and Asian.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Runner-up on January 15, 2005, 05:14:28 PM
I reject the notion that only minorities provide the culture in majority-white societies. I'm tired of hearing such absolute nonsense.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 15, 2005, 05:16:07 PM
I think it's true that there are midwestern cultures and western cultures -- different aspects of people that are shaped by ties that bind them in certain ways.  But the reason we don't usually think of "white" culture, per se, is because it's just not something that seperates us from a majority -- and that is what tends to bind people together.

This is a reason there's such a thing as a Jewish culture, gay culture, black culture, but not really a white culture.

And let's remember that there really is an "American" culture, to which we all belong to some degree -- black, white, gay, straight, muslim, buddhist, or christian, Americans fit into a culture that is quite seperate from that of most people in the world.

Whether the OP was a troll or not, I was astounded by a few of the really racist posts by the way.  In the light of those posts, I'm not sure it matters who started the thread.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: America's Next Top Lawyer on January 15, 2005, 05:28:13 PM
I've always lived in diverse areas, and my campus in undergrad was very diverse.  I think I'd like a mostly white law school, and live in a part of the country that is very white.  I'm just more comfortable in that environment.  People of other backgrounds seek this out as well, so I don't apologize for wanting this.

I'm leaning towards (in no particular order):

1.  University of Kentucky.
2.  Quinnipiac (CT).
3.  University of Idaho.
4.  University of Maine.
5.  University of Montana.

Good for you. I hope you find your white school.

I don't understand why everyone is getting all riled up about this. It is obvious that this poster is trying to ruffle a few feathers. A smack in the face of the black law students thread that has been going on for months now. I hope you find your white school and your white law firm.

But just be warned, this is not your ticket away from schools with affirmative action programs. Because nearly all of your choices would give preference to minorities if they decided to apply to those schools in large numbers. Do you want to know why? For the very fact that they are predominately white areas/schools.

Well, good luck in your white search! If you need any help just ask.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Runner-up on January 15, 2005, 05:35:00 PM
Maybe he's not trying piss people off. Maybe its genuinely how he feels. Ever think of that?

This affirmative action stuff and all the stuff relating to minorities is constantly thrust in our faces without solicitation. Ever law school forum has all these sections with "Black in the law", "Latinos in the law". It can easily get a bit excessive at times, so I don't blame this guy for feeling the way he does.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: the REAL desi on January 15, 2005, 05:36:38 PM
at orientation, you will quickly realize that there is no need for a forum on "pasties in the law"
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: HBCU.EDU on January 15, 2005, 05:43:03 PM
I've always lived in diverse areas, and my campus in undergrad was very diverse.  I think I'd like a mostly white law school, and live in a part of the country that is very white.  I'm just more comfortable in that environment.  People of other backgrounds seek this out as well, so I don't apologize for wanting this.

I'm leaning towards (in no particular order):

1.  University of Kentucky.
2.  Quinnipiac (CT).
3.  University of Idaho.
4.  University of Maine.
5.  University of Montana.


Ole- Hey congrats to you and good luck on getting into a white rice law school. I feel you. I'm black and i ONLY want to go to a black law school. The LSAT thing I want to do is be around white people while I'm getting a legal education. It's not racist at all. I went to an HBCU (Historically Black College and University) for undergrad, and I would do the same for law school. I fully support your decision and I understand why you want to be around your own kind. It's natural and your choice.

Hey, I want to go to an HBCU Law school, and I want to put my money in a black bank, live in a black neighborhood, and marry a black woman. I'll have a few white friends like Ruskie over for the holidays but that's about it. It's totally natural for you to want to be with your own folk. ( you are white right? if not, then you are screwed in the head).

@#!* YT ;D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: America's Next Top Lawyer on January 15, 2005, 05:47:14 PM
Maybe he's not trying piss people off. Maybe its genuinely how he feels. Ever think of that?

This affirmative action stuff and all the stuff relating to minorities is constantly thrust in our faces without solicitation. Ever law school forum has all these sections with "Black in the law", "Latinos in the law". It can easily get a bit excessive at times, so I don't blame this guy for feeling the way he does.

Oh yeah I totally agree. This is how he feels. But no I disagree, with your other argument. He is definitely trying to piss people off. Who cares what racial school you want to attend. it is America. Do what you like. Go to a strong undergraduate program. Get a high GPA and LSAT and be on your way to your white school. But this post doesn't go anywhere. It is like an empty statement. It is like me saying that my favorite color is green. So what.. And? What is your point? This is America and you can like whatever you want.

His post is designed to ruffle feathers and this doesn't work on me. If the black and Latino threads bother you then maybe you should not click on the link and read it. These threads are started for the purpose that these groups are minorities  in predominately white schools and it is just for bonding purposes and to make each other feel comfortable. It is not designed to make white people feel jealous. Maybe you should start a white law students thread if you feel so left out. Hey it is America-a free country. Do what you like!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: NYBound05 on January 15, 2005, 05:49:16 PM
at orientation, you will quickly realize that there is no need for a forum on "pasties in the law"

 :D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: HBCU.EDU on January 15, 2005, 05:52:16 PM
I am HBCU.EDU. The ruler of all I survey on BLSD. All of you YTs are welcome to post on our board if you like by the way. The white law student discussion board failed and  white revival failed because you guys are lame  ;D

   
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: the REAL desi on January 15, 2005, 05:53:39 PM
Ole:  let me help you out even more.

Go to http://www.nalpdirectory.com and see which firms hire at those law schools.  Make careful notes on which law firms seemingly forget to include diversity hiring data.  Also, make a really careful note of which firms DO include data on their partners and associates and do not list a single minority (and, to make it even better gay or lesbian) attorneys.

This will ensure your ultimate objective of whitedom.

HTH
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: shiveringjenny on January 15, 2005, 05:59:56 PM

Take an Asian from ChinaTown and drop him into a Korean culture and I'm sure he'd be just fine...  they even look somewhat the same... I'm sure they'd do fine.


Haha. I'm posting mainly so that this will show up on my unread replies and secondarily to state that you, my friend, have trolling down to a science.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: HBCU.EDU on January 15, 2005, 06:01:07 PM
This is a troll thread.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 06:02:35 PM
This is a troll thread.

indeed it is.. you know what's so funny though? Some fool related "black culture" to Lil Kim?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: HBCU.EDU on January 15, 2005, 06:05:25 PM
This is a troll thread.

indeed it is.. you know what's so funny though? Some fool related "black culture" to Lil Kim?

He is indeed a troll. can't even get mad at that you know.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 06:10:57 PM
This is a troll thread.

indeed it is.. you know what's so funny though? Some fool related "black culture" to Lil Kim?

He is indeed a troll. can't even get mad at that you know.

you and your play on words... and to think one of these posters assumed that I was racist based on my screenname.. as if my name couldn't be Reign and I'm proud to be blk? LOL.. think outside the box
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: calibos11 on January 15, 2005, 06:13:18 PM
What, exactly, is a troll?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 06:19:51 PM
There is no such thing as a white culture. Every country that is considered white has more than one culture. There are many different cultures for different white people. Someone from Finland will have a very different culture than someone from Italy. Someone from Northern Finalnd will have a very different culture than someone from Southern Finland. People say that we whites are destroying the cultures of minorites. We are also destroying our own cultures. I am Finnish, and the only reason I know anything of my culture is that I study it. I should say that my ancestors are from Lapland in Finland. There is no way that I have been living in my culture my entire life as many people say.

Anyway, I would not like to go to an all white school. I am not comfortable with a lot of white people. I am from and area that is well balanced. I much prefer and equal mixing like I got where I am from. It was seriously almost 30% each for white, Hispanic, and Asian.

There is also no such thing as black culture, or Asian culture or any other culture defined by race. You may though have cultures within a country that are predominantly represented by certain racial groups. African-American cultural in the US for example
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: shiveringjenny on January 15, 2005, 06:23:17 PM
Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to the comments section of a blog/message board in the hopes of starting/continuing an argument.

Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: calibos11 on January 15, 2005, 06:24:43 PM
Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to the comments section of a blog/message board in the hopes of starting/continuing an argument.

Thanks!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 06:27:54 PM
I reject the notion that only minorities provide the culture in majority-white societies. I'm tired of hearing such absolute nonsense.

No one is saying that. What they are saying is that culture is a dynamic process that changes and adapts and that in some instances minority populations provide that change. This is especially true with regard to music.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: the REAL desi on January 15, 2005, 06:37:21 PM
The sad thing is, I can't believe we all wasted this much time on this very obvious troll thread.  I'm kind of disappointed in myself for buying into it at all, to be honest.   :-[

no, as someone previously said, OP might actually have these feelings.  so it was proper to dole out our wisdom and advice
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: HBCU.EDU on January 15, 2005, 07:22:20 PM
This thread was his second post. yeah, this is obviously a troll thread. didn't want to use his/her real account.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 15, 2005, 07:29:20 PM
Who cares if this was started by a troll?  There were some really awful things said by people who weren't the OP on this thread.  That's inexcusable.  It doesn't matter how it started.  Some of you should be absolutely ashamed.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: psr13 on January 15, 2005, 07:37:08 PM
There is no such thing as a white culture. Every country that is considered white has more than one culture. There are many different cultures for different white people. Someone from Finland will have a very different culture than someone from Italy. Someone from Northern Finalnd will have a very different culture than someone from Southern Finland. People say that we whites are destroying the cultures of minorites. We are also destroying our own cultures. I am Finnish, and the only reason I know anything of my culture is that I study it. I should say that my ancestors are from Lapland in Finland. There is no way that I have been living in my culture my entire life as many people say.

Anyway, I would not like to go to an all white school. I am not comfortable with a lot of white people. I am from and area that is well balanced. I much prefer and equal mixing like I got where I am from. It was seriously almost 30% each for white, Hispanic, and Asian.

There is also no such thing as black culture, or Asian culture or any other culture defined by race. You may though have cultures within a country that are predominantly represented by certain racial groups. African-American cultural in the US for example

I never said that there is a black culture or an Asian culture. I hope you weren't implying that that is what I believe. Technically, you can't even say that there is an American culture. There are many different cultures in the country. SHould you talk to anybody who knows anything on the subject will tell you so.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 07:51:34 PM
There is no such thing as a white culture. Every country that is considered white has more than one culture. There are many different cultures for different white people. Someone from Finland will have a very different culture than someone from Italy. Someone from Northern Finalnd will have a very different culture than someone from Southern Finland. People say that we whites are destroying the cultures of minorites. We are also destroying our own cultures. I am Finnish, and the only reason I know anything of my culture is that I study it. I should say that my ancestors are from Lapland in Finland. There is no way that I have been living in my culture my entire life as many people say.

Anyway, I would not like to go to an all white school. I am not comfortable with a lot of white people. I am from and area that is well balanced. I much prefer and equal mixing like I got where I am from. It was seriously almost 30% each for white, Hispanic, and Asian.

There is also no such thing as black culture, or Asian culture or any other culture defined by race. You may though have cultures within a country that are predominantly represented by certain racial groups. African-American cultural in the US for example

I never said that there is a black culture or an Asian culture. I hope you weren't implying that that is what I believe. Technically, you can't even say that there is an American culture. There are many different cultures in the country. SHould you talk to anybody who knows anything on the subject will tell you so.

Just making a point, I never meant to imply that you said anything like that.  :)

As for American culture, I would not say that there is complete agreement on that. some say there is others say there isn't. Part of it hinges on what you mean by culture and what amount of practitioners you need to establish a uniform culture. For instance almost all Americans embrace democracy and democratic principles. They tend to place value on the individual and on individual choice/action/expression. We also have sporting and athletic events that are distinctly American as well as certain forms of music. WE also produce television shows and movies that could easily be considered cultural artifacts. We speak a common language(s) and we celebrate the same holidays. Now none of these things are embraced by 100% of the people 100% of the time, but I still say it makes a culture.

I also think we tend to romantizes other cultures and past cultures by imposing ideas of cultural homogeneity on them, when in fact those that did not agree with the dominate culture did exist although they may have been suppressed. The thing with American culture though, is that it tends not to be as demanding of conformity as other cultures are and have been and is often quite willing to adopt other cultural practices as their own. For example cinco de Mayo, St. Patrick’s day, etc.. American culture also seems to have a high degree of self awareness with regard to change and embraces that change often over the objection of a vocal minority or majority. Recent debates over bilingualism, secularization of xmas, and multicultural education being examples of this.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Runner-up on January 15, 2005, 08:11:23 PM
We live in a pluralist society. That means multiple competing interst groups at work all of which have their own agenda. White people are one of those interest groups, they just refuse to acknowledge it.

While minority interest groups argue unapologetically for their own interests, whites will de-emphasize theirs or even deny that such an interest exists.

Eventually, they will have to realize that they must be cognizant of their own welfare and their place in American society. Their overall percentage of the population is declining continuously, and as a result we will continue to lose our place in society. If we do not become more aware of our own inherent interest, we will fade off into oblivion.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: strouse on January 15, 2005, 08:12:52 PM
We live in a pluralist society. That means multiple competing interst groups at work all of which have their own agenda. White people are one of those interest groups, they just refuse to acknowledge it.

While minority interest groups argue unapologetically for their own interests, whites will de-emphasize theirs or even deny that such an interest exists.

Eventually, they will have to realize that they must be cognizant of their own welfare and their place in American society. Their overall percentage of the population is declining continuously, and as a result we will continue to lose our place in society. If we do not become more aware of our own inherent interest, we will fade off into oblivion.

Pat Buchanan's death of the West?  Dude, you have to know you're gonna get crushed for this.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 15, 2005, 08:15:22 PM
I suggest you read my original post on this thread if you'd like to know why it's different altogether to have a black college and a white college.  Also, historically black colleges and universities don't discriminate against white people -- white people just traditionally haven't wanted to go to them.  North Carolina Central Law actually gives some affirmative action to white students, believe it or not.  The bottom line is that the reason historically black colleges exist is because most colleges didn't allow black people at all.  When Thurgood Marshall (first black supreme court justice in case you don't know) went to Howard Law, the University of Maryland Law School didn't allow black students.  Learn your history folks.

Here's my original post:  

This post hits many of us on a gut level -- we fell there is something quite insensitive about it, but none of us has pinpointed why yet.  I'll try.

To me there's a big, glaring difference with what the OP said about wanting to live with white people, and with what people might commonly say about living with a diverse population.  Why?

B/c of the language of exlusion.  If you say you want to live with lots of types of people, you obviously aren't saying you specifically want to avoid anybody.  If a person says they want to live with different types of people, they aren't saying they want to live in an area that's as black as they can find.  On the other hand, what the OP said is very exclusionary.  What he said, that he wants to live in the whitest area he can find (his whole question was that of wanting a list of the most white schools) he necessarily is saying that he wants the non-white population to be non-existant or as small as possible.  As I see it, this is exclusionary language.

And in my opinion racism doesn't require "intimidation or physical violence," as a previous poster said.  Let me ask this previous poster whether they are a racial minority -- just seems odd that white people should be defining racism in terms that constrict it -- you seem to be defining it to suit your needs.

No, racism is about a majority culture excluding a minority culture b/c of the minority culture's race.  That's all -- that's all it takes.  It is one thing for a group of people in a minority people to gather together for mutual protection and identiy.  It is another thing for a group in the minority to gather together -- because it's not about mutual protection (they don't need it) and it's not about identity (for the culture is largely based on what the majority decides it wants it to be).  When a group of people in the majority bands together without people in the minority, it is not about the same things as if it were the other way around.  It is about exclusion -- and finding ways to exclude, not protection -- and finding ways to protect.

It can be a tough thing to understand -- but try your best to take on the perspective of somebody who doesn't have the same cultural protections that white people, by and large, do.  
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Runner-up on January 15, 2005, 08:20:16 PM
Pat Buchanan?

Why is it that when people like me who are conservative on racial matters, finally start making reasoned arguments that we then get associated with negative, disreputable figures?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 08:24:18 PM
We live in a pluralist society. That means multiple competing interst groups at work all of which have their own agenda. White people are one of those interest groups, they just refuse to acknowledge it.

While minority interest groups argue unapologetically for their own interests, whites will de-emphasize theirs or even deny that such an interest exists.

Eventually, they will have to realize that they must be cognizant of their own welfare and their place in American society. Their overall percentage of the population is declining continuously, and as a result we will continue to lose our place in society. If we do not become more aware of our own inherent interest, we will fade off into oblivion.

Perhaps you would care to elaborate on how the interests of other racial groups are contrary to the interests of white Americans. Off the top of my head I can't think of any especially given that whites are overrepresented in just about every field of power or prestige.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: America's Next Top Lawyer on January 15, 2005, 08:28:33 PM
Why is it automatically written off as a troll thread? It may be deemed racist or whatever, but it raises an interesting issue. Is it racist to want to go to Howard Univ. b/c one knows it's a mostly black college?

No it is not racist to attend a Howard or another HBCU. Maybe you should learn a little history before you make a comment like that. The HBCUS were not started to promote self-segregation. These schools were started from necessity because of white segregation and because blacks were not allowed to attend the mainstream universities. So blacks decided that they had to educate themselves.

read up a little on this issue:

http://www.pbs.org/itvs/fromswastikatojimcrow/blackcolleges.html
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: strouse on January 15, 2005, 08:31:50 PM
Pat Buchanan?

Why is it that when people like me who are conservative on racial matters, finally start making reasoned arguments that we then get associated with negative, disreputable figures?

Because he wrote a book on the very subject you were referring to man!
 
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: strouse on January 15, 2005, 08:34:10 PM
Runner up, does this sound familiar?-

Pat Buchanan in The Death of the West



On Immigration: Immigration tsunami will make whites a minority in US
The prognosis is grim. Between 2000 & 2050, world population will grow to over 9 billion people, but this 50% increase in global population will come entirely in Asia, Africa, & Latin America, as 100 million people of European stock vanish from the Earth. But the immigration tsunami rolling over America is not coming from 'all the races of Europe.' The largest population transfer in history is coming from all the races of Asia, Africa, and Latin America, and they are not 'melting and reforming.
Source: The Death of the West, by Pat Buchanan, p. 3 & 12

On Families & Children: Sex and Drugs and Abortions have killed the West
The West is dying. Its nations have ceased to reproduce, and their populations have stopped growing and begun to shrink. Not since the Black Death carried off a third of Europe in the fourteenth century has there been a graver threat to the survival of Western civilization. Since Roe vs. Wade, 40 million abortions have been performed in the United States.
For this revolution [the cultural revolution that started in the 60's which entailed mass abortion] is not unique to America. A civilization, a culture, a faith, and a moral order rooted in that faith are passing away and are being replaced by a new civilization, culture, faith, and moral order. This new moral code was crafted to justify the new lifestyle already adopted, as they indulged themselves in SEX, DRUGS, RIOTS, and ROCK
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Runner-up on January 15, 2005, 08:34:44 PM
The rival of the white race in America is affirmative action. It allows minority groups an extra card to play in seeking a job or in applying to law school- most minority groups, anyway. But, still, my point: affirmative action creates a scenario in which the white applicant or competitor is sqeezed out by an instituion or a company's desire to have as much diversity as possible. Diversity defeats the white applicant in most instances, because, let's face it, the more diversity we have, the less white applicants are successful.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 08:38:16 PM
The rival of the white race in America is affirmative action. It allows minority groups an extra card to play in seeking a job or in applying to law school- most minority groups, anyway. But, still, my point: affirmative action creates a scenario in which the white applicant or competitor is sqeezed out by an instituion or a company's desire to have as much diversity as possible. Diversity defeats the white applicant in most instances, because, let's face it, the more diversity we have, the less white applicants are successful.

Aside from AA are there any other diffrences in agendas that you think exist
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Runner-up on January 15, 2005, 08:41:25 PM
Yes. The crux of the difference between white people and minorities in America, is that the former is trying to hold onto power and economic status, whereas the other (with the exception of Asians) is trying to gain. Tug of war, if you will.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: America's Next Top Lawyer on January 15, 2005, 08:45:08 PM
The rival of the white race in America is affirmative action. It allows minority groups an extra card to play in seeking a job or in applying to law school- most minority groups, anyway. But, still, my point: affirmative action creates a scenario in which the white applicant or competitor is squeezed out by an institution or a company's desire to have as much diversity as possible. Diversity defeats the white applicant in most instances, because, let's face it, the more diversity we have, the less white applicants are successful.

I think you forgot a few affirmative action scenarios:

1) The white applicant squeezes out the minority applicant because his/her father donated a huge sum of money to the school.

2)The white applicant squeezes out the minority applicant because his/her father attended the university (aka legacy)

3)The white applicant that squeezes out the minority applicant because he is a good baseball player or a good player of another sport.

hey buddy this list goes on and on. But if is funny that opponents of affirmative action only like to mention those scenarios based on race. Or the poor white guy victimized by minorities.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 08:55:48 PM
Yes. The crux of the difference between white people and minorities in America, is that the former is trying to hold onto power and economic status, whereas the other (with the exception of Asians) is trying to gain. Tug of war, if you will.

I guess I think that one there is enough power and economic status in this country for us all and that when you get right down to it dividing people by race is kind of silly. We are all Americans and we all share in making this country successful. Plus I guess I find it distasteful that I have to keep an entire race of people down so that I can succeed.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 08:57:14 PM
Yes. The crux of the difference between white people and minorities in America, is that the former is trying to hold onto power and economic status, whereas the other (with the exception of Asians) is trying to gain. Tug of war, if you will.

I should also add that in the ideal case people should be judged on there abilities not on race. Are you suggesting that whites enact some sort of reverse AA and give preference to whites.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Runner-up on January 15, 2005, 09:00:28 PM
Certainly not.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 09:06:08 PM
Mobell it's funny isn't it? I stated early on in this thread that this was about AA and URM "taking their spots"...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 09:09:11 PM
Certainly not.

Then what aside from ending AA are you suggesting.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 15, 2005, 09:16:52 PM
Yea, I'm really not interested in making this a discussion about AA.  We're not going to convince each other either way.

I do want to know why many white people can't talk about race without bringing up AA.  That's not the only aspect of the entire conversation of race. 

Or do these white people only care about race as it applies to them?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: HBCU.EDU on January 15, 2005, 09:19:29 PM
You guys are just AA trolls  >:(
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 09:23:47 PM
Mobell it's funny isn't it? I stated early on in this thread that this was about AA and URM "taking their spots"...

It is kind of funny how some people consider AA to be some sort of grave injustice perpetrated against the white race. Especially given all the fields in which minorities are over represented. I mean there are so many minority senators, presidents, and CEO's Damn if Blackie isn't keeping us down.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 09:32:59 PM
Mobell it's funny isn't it? I stated early on in this thread that this was about AA and URM "taking their spots"...

It is kind of funny how some people consider AA to be some sort of grave injustice perpetrated against the white race. Especially given all the fields in which minorities are over represented. I mean there are so many minority senators, presidents, and CEO's Damn if Blackie isn't keeping us down.

"Blackie" ? ???
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Runner-up on January 15, 2005, 09:55:57 PM
Certainly not.

Then what aside from ending AA are you suggesting.

Hey, man, you know what? I'm just getting my frustrations out.

I don't want to institute new policies or put my own views into effect. I'm just voicing an insecurity.

The truth is, most guys like me who are socially conservative, if we get to speak out, and let people hear where we stand, that gives us satisfaction, and we don't go much further beyond that once people have heard what we have to say.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: superius on January 15, 2005, 10:01:30 PM
Mobell it's funny isn't it? I stated early on in this thread that this was about AA and URM "taking their spots"...

I'd argue that you started the AA argument.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: VinnyMyCousin on January 15, 2005, 10:01:41 PM
I think you forgot a few affirmative action scenarios:

1) The white applicant squeezes out the minority applicant because his/her father donated a huge sum of money to the school.

2)The white applicant squeezes out the minority applicant because his/her father attended the university (aka legacy)

3)The white applicant that squeezes out the minority applicant because he is a good baseball player or a good player of another sport.

hey buddy this list goes on and on. But if is funny that opponents of affirmative action only like to mention those scenarios based on race. Or the poor white guy victimized by minorities.

Notice how all three examples would be equally true, if the word "white" was replaced with "black"?

1) Any one who has a parent donor will have an easier chance getting in, white or black.
2) Same for the legacy--also notice that this and example #1) work against not only minorities but other white applicants (and the majority of them) who don't have the luck of wealthy/legacy parents
3) Yup, this example also has nothing to do with race.

I fail to see how any of these even begins to compare with systematized and institutionalized, race-based AA.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: DOWNY on January 15, 2005, 10:02:29 PM
Mobell it's funny isn't it? I stated early on in this thread that this was about AA and URM "taking their spots"...

It is kind of funny how some people consider AA to be some sort of grave injustice perpetrated against the white race. Especially given all the fields in which minorities are over represented. I mean there are so many minority senators, presidents, and CEO's Damn if Blackie isn't keeping us down.

"Blackie" ? ???

Hey BR, let it go. He is obviously agreeing with you.

I'm not taking a position on anything in this thread except to say that you have some obviously deep-rooted issues that you should sort out. Throughout this entire thread you have been attacking white people, "white culture" and white posters. What's your deal? If a white person insisted on attacking black people/culture/etc, you would be the first to scream racism.

Racism is a two-way street and you don't have a pass to be bigoted or ignorant just because you happened to be born black.

I fully expect you to respond with some drivel, such as "LOL, now I'm racist!?" or something insulting to white people.

My point is simply that white people are not the ONLY racists on LSD or elsewhere.

HTH.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: VinnyMyCousin on January 15, 2005, 10:04:33 PM
indeed it is.. you know what's so funny though? Some fool related "black culture" to Lil Kim?

I don't necessarily agree with the Lil Kim example but I'm curious to know who you think exemplifies "black culture".
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: VinnyMyCousin on January 15, 2005, 10:09:47 PM
you and your play on words... and to think one of these posters assumed that I was racist based on my screenname.. as if my name couldn't be Reign and I'm proud to be blk? LOL.. think outside the box

I don't think people should be any more "proud" to be black than to be "white". Race is meaningless, and as someone on an earlier thread pointed out, totally without scientific basis.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 10:16:54 PM
Mobell it's funny isn't it? I stated early on in this thread that this was about AA and URM "taking their spots"...

It is kind of funny how some people consider AA to be some sort of grave injustice perpetrated against the white race. Especially given all the fields in which minorities are over represented. I mean there are so many minority senators, presidents, and CEO's Damn if Blackie isn't keeping us down.

"Blackie" ? ???

Hey BR, let it go. He is obviously agreeing with you.

I'm not taking a position on anything in this thread except to say that you have some obviously deep-rooted issues that you should sort out. Throughout this entire thread you have been attacking white people, "white culture" and white posters. What's your deal? If a white person insisted on attacking black people/culture/etc, you would be the first to scream racism.

Racism is a two-way street and you don't have a pass to be bigoted or ignorant just because you happened to be born black.

I fully expect you to respond with some drivel, such as "LOL, now I'm racist!?" or something insulting to white people.

My point is simply that white people are not the ONLY racists on LSD or elsewhere.

HTH.

Cooley I know he agreed, and a lot of people have made some very valid points in this thread, notwithstanding their cultural background.  However the "blackie" word was offensive. Whether (s)he was giving an example or not, the term i condescending.I haven't attacked a single white person in this thread. I simply asked what white culture consisted of. If that question is offensive then maybe you have some deep rooted issues that you need to deal with. My "LOL now I'm a racist" comment was a direct derivative  of szyzgy calling me racist. Which was totally unfounded.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 10:25:16 PM
indeed it is.. you know what's so funny though? Some fool related "black culture" to Lil Kim?

I don't necessarily agree with the Lil Kim example but I'm curious to know who you think exemplifies "black culture".

See that's the issue. I've never said anything about anyone exemplifying "black culture". Nor have I argued its existence. Now if you're asking me about a specific American of color who speaks volumes of what Americans can do then...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: VinnyMyCousin on January 15, 2005, 10:28:38 PM
See that's the issue. I've never said anything about anyone exemplifying "black culture". Nor have I argued its existence. Now if you're asking me about a specific American of color who speaks volumes of what Americans can do then...

Then truthfully, do you believe such a thing as "black culture" exists?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 15, 2005, 10:36:13 PM
I know this was awhile ago but someone asked why do Chinatowns etc exist?  Well at the beginning invariably these were the only areas of town that recent immigrants could afford to live in and with residential segregation even when immigrants were able to build up the capital to move, often they were discriminated against.  Consequently, most people just started to build up the areas of the city, investing heavily in creating local buisnesses etc to serve the needs of the community often being taken advantage of by the nonChinese who often played on their limited English proficiency.  Even as the children of these immigrants were able to move away with each cycle of immigration it just became easier to filter in through Chinatowns as the area served as a resource network for recent immigrants to be assimilated into the new homeland.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 15, 2005, 10:37:57 PM
Mobell it's funny isn't it? I stated early on in this thread that this was about AA and URM "taking their spots"...

It is kind of funny how some people consider AA to be some sort of grave injustice perpetrated against the white race. Especially given all the fields in which minorities are over represented. I mean there are so many minority senators, presidents, and CEO's Damn if Blackie isn't keeping us down.

"Blackie" ? ???

Hey BR, let it go. He is obviously agreeing with you.

I'm not taking a position on anything in this thread except to say that you have some obviously deep-rooted issues that you should sort out. Throughout this entire thread you have been attacking white people, "white culture" and white posters. What's your deal? If a white person insisted on attacking black people/culture/etc, you would be the first to scream racism.

Racism is a two-way street and you don't have a pass to be bigoted or ignorant just because you happened to be born black.

I fully expect you to respond with some drivel, such as "LOL, now I'm racist!?" or something insulting to white people.

My point is simply that white people are not the ONLY racists on LSD or elsewhere.

HTH.

Cooley I know he agreed, and a lot of people have made some very valid points in this thread, notwithstanding their cultural background.  However the "blackie" word was offensive. Whether (s)he was giving an example or not, the term i condescending.I haven't attacked a single white person in this thread. I simply asked what white culture consisted of. If that question is offensive then maybe you have some deep rooted issues that you need to deal with. My "LOL now I'm a racist" comment was a direct derivative  of szyzgy calling me racist. Which was totally unfounded.

I apologize if I offended you. It was not meant to be offensive. I was more parodying those that claim that AA is racist against white people. I was just making a joke out of the line "whitie is always keeping me down" While there are serious topics I think we can maintain a sense of humor.

OK back to Political Psychology reading
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: classofwhores on January 15, 2005, 10:38:46 PM
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What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area

Are not almost all of law schools like this?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 15, 2005, 11:07:13 PM
Yea, those 2% of elected officials who're black are really taking over.

BTW, how can you call me a troll -- I have 700 posts... troll?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Runner-up on January 15, 2005, 11:14:08 PM
"Let me tell you, the brothers and sisters are running the city. Oh, yes. The brothers and sisters are running this city. Running it! Don’t you let nobody fool you, we are in charge of the City of Brotherly Love. We are in charge! We are in charge!”

-Philadelphia Mayor John Street
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: America's Next Top Lawyer on January 15, 2005, 11:27:48 PM
I think you forgot a few affirmative action scenarios:

1) The white applicant squeezes out the minority applicant because his/her father donated a huge sum of money to the school.

2)The white applicant squeezes out the minority applicant because his/her father attended the university (aka legacy)

3)The white applicant that squeezes out the minority applicant because he is a good baseball player or a good player of another sport.

hey buddy this list goes on and on. But if is funny that opponents of affirmative action only like to mention those scenarios based on race. Or the poor white guy victimized by minorities.

Notice how all three examples would be equally true, if the word "white" was replaced with "black"?

1) Any one who has a parent donor will have an easier chance getting in, white or black.
2) Same for the legacy--also notice that this and example #1) work against not only minorities but other white applicants (and the majority of them) who don't have the luck of wealthy/legacy parents
3) Yup, this example also has nothing to do with race.

I fail to see how any of these even begins to compare with systematized and institutionalized, race-based AA.

Thanks for proving my point. Affirmative action benefits all races. Stop trying to portray the white man as the victim. Because there are many scenarios were they are the beneficiaries of affirmative action.

I think I know why you fail to see the comparisons between race based affirmative action and these alternative forms of affirmative action. It is because these alternative scenarios expose a major flaw in your argument. I would ignore them as well if I were arguing your point.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 15, 2005, 11:52:55 PM
giffy:it's cool, your arguments are definitely on point.

Vinnymycousin: I posed the question "what is white culture?" to try to get a basic understanding from the OP what (s)he meant by the need to leave diverse institutions and cities  in search of a "white environment".The terms "black culture" and "white culture" are problematic because they presuppose that blacks (individually) and whites (individually) share common interests even though they are now more than ever divided by class interests that place individuals on opposing sides in the struggle to change the system that produces inequalities. Therefore creating a situation in which the realities of race no longer affect people the same way. The categories "black and white" do not signify homogeneous social,political, or economic interests. Conceptual formulations such as "black culture or white culture" are inadequate because they perpetuate the sociologically false notions that blacks and whites share similar conditions of labor, leisure, and life.

My problem with the OP is that the reality is by acting on the basis of skin color, we're working against the development of working-class solidarity. This method of thinking impedes the development of class consciousness and impairs the capacities to act in solidarity with one another across color and culture. It encourages us to blame each other for our problems rather than to organize against the class and class system that exploits us.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: drew617 on January 16, 2005, 01:06:14 AM
I couldn't help but locate the blatant irony in your position.  Your name, which I assume to be short for "black reign" or something to that effect, seems to be suggesting a simple reversal of any discrimination or oppression that you've convinced yourself exists.  For you, it would be completely acceptable if the black/white roles (or at least the roles you have assigned them) to be switched.  Therefore, you would not be saying the same thing if black people did in fact "reign" (whatever that means).
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 16, 2005, 01:23:24 AM
Hey, I've got an idea drew.  Why don't you take something -- let's say an LSN name -- and read way, way too much into it... In fact, if you wanted to, you could even infer a bunch of things that aren't there.  Yea, that sounds great.  Why don't you do that.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: drew617 on January 16, 2005, 01:31:31 AM
Nah, that's cool.  I'll prolly just start a new name called "White_People_Are_Inherently_B etter_Than_Everyone_Else."  It's a good thing I can do this because, as you say, it would be reading between the lines to infer anything from it.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 16, 2005, 01:37:02 AM
I double dare you to do that.  You'd sure show me.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: drew617 on January 16, 2005, 01:43:52 AM
Yeah but do you triple dog dare me?

I think that's the real question we need to be asking ourselves.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 16, 2005, 02:03:26 AM
I triple, double dog dare you (that actually makes it a five dog dare).  'Cause trust me, you'll pay a bigger price than my pride if you do. 
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: drew617 on January 16, 2005, 02:06:33 AM
You raise an interesting point.

How exactly does one pay another person's pride?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 16, 2005, 02:10:19 AM
Well, what I meant is that I'll be giving up pride (b/c you took me up on a five dog dare -- which is necessarily a big loss of pride for the five dog dare-er) but you'll be losing more than me in the end.

That's what I meant...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: drew617 on January 16, 2005, 02:15:12 AM
Technically it's not a five dog dare because your first double dare did not consist of any dogs.  Also, if you tripled your previous double, that would make six and not five, three of which include dogs.  Just clearing this up so you can re-calculate the pride factor.

Anyway, I'm out for the night. 
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: TheZooker on January 16, 2005, 08:11:21 AM

My problem with the OP is that the reality is by acting on the basis of skin color, we're working against the development of working-class solidarity. This method of thinking impedes the development of class consciousness and impairs the capacities to act in solidarity with one another across color and culture. It encourages us to blame each other for our problems rather than to organize against the class and class system that exploits us.

This is hugely correct and I'm in total agreement.  I would hope that this is what we are all aiming for, it is just a little confusing as to how we should get there.  Very well written Blk.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 16, 2005, 09:45:39 AM
I couldn't help but locate the blatant irony in your position.  Your name, which I assume to be short for "black reign" or something to that effect, seems to be suggesting a simple reversal of any discrimination or oppression that you've convinced yourself exists.  For you, it would be completely acceptable if the black/white roles (or at least the roles you have assigned them) to be switched.  Therefore, you would not be saying the same thing if black people did in fact "reign" (whatever that means).

Does this photo of Jerry Rice, Rich Gannon, and Tim Brown suggest that there should be a "simple reversal of discrimination or oppression" ?

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1613.jpg)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: VinnyMyCousin on January 16, 2005, 10:18:07 AM
Thanks for proving my point. Affirmative action benefits all races. Stop trying to portray the white man as the victim. Because there are many scenarios were they are the beneficiaries of affirmative action.

I think I know why you fail to see the comparisons between race based affirmative action and these alternative forms of affirmative action. It is because these alternative scenarios expose a major flaw in your argument. I would ignore them as well if I were arguing your point.

Huh? The point is that your 3 examples have nothing to do with race (being a legacy or son/daughter of a donor would help you if you're black or white) and are therefore not race-discriminatory. AA, on the other hand, is systematic race-discrimination.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: VinnyMyCousin on January 16, 2005, 10:21:06 AM
Vinnymycousin: I posed the question "what is white culture?" to try to get a basic understanding from the OP what (s)he meant by the need to leave diverse institutions and cities  in search of a "white environment".The terms "black culture" and "white culture" are problematic because they presuppose that blacks (individually) and whites (individually) share common interests even though they are now more than ever divided by class interests that place individuals on opposing sides in the struggle to change the system that produces inequalities. Therefore creating a situation in which the realities of race no longer affect people the same way. The categories "black and white" do not signify homogeneous social,political, or economic interests. Conceptual formulations such as "black culture or white culture" are inadequate because they perpetuate the sociologically false notions that blacks and whites share similar conditions of labor, leisure, and life.

I agree.

My problem with the OP is that the reality is by acting on the basis of skin color, we're working against the development of working-class solidarity. This method of thinking impedes the development of class consciousness and impairs the capacities to act in solidarity with one another across color and culture. It encourages us to blame each other for our problems rather than to organize against the class and class system that exploits us.

LOL! Good ole' Marx.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 16, 2005, 11:18:19 AM
Thanks for proving my point. Affirmative action benefits all races. Stop trying to portray the white man as the victim. Because there are many scenarios were they are the beneficiaries of affirmative action.

I think I know why you fail to see the comparisons between race based affirmative action and these alternative forms of affirmative action. It is because these alternative scenarios expose a major flaw in your argument. I would ignore them as well if I were arguing your point.

Huh? The point is that your 3 examples have nothing to do with race (being a legacy or son/daughter of a donor would help you if you're black or white) and are therefore not race-discriminatory. AA, on the other hand, is systematic race-discrimination.
Except they don't. Thanks to centuries of systematic and legal discrimination a black kid is much more likely to grow up poor, have to work to help support the family in HS, not have parents who went to college, and go to a low quality school. Therefore AA was created to help take that into account. The idea is that on average white kids have more advantages and therefore more opportunities to get good grades and SAT score, so we should take that into account when looking at applications.

That being said there is a good point to be made that black kids who grew up in privileged environments are benefiting while white kids who grew up in disadvantaged back grounds are not. I agree that that is not fair. Perhaps a better system would take a more holistic account and provide advantage to disadvantaged kids of all sorts. If your black and experienced discrimination where you lived, say rural Alabama that would be taken into account, but if you didn’t then it wouldn’t. Same if your white and grew up dirt poor in Appalachia that would be taken into account.

The fact of the matter is that numbers alone have not and should not be the only factor in admissions. Otherwise you providing advantage to those kids who could afford SAT tutors, private schools, and admissions consolers over kids who are as well qualified in terms of ability, but could not get a 4.0 because they had to support three siblings while living in a run down trailer with a heroin addicted mom all the while going to a school with leaky walls and one hell of a gang problem.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: maricutie on January 16, 2005, 11:53:41 AM
Going back to the OP's first question, I don't understand why everyone is jumping on him/her. Granted, I haven't read all of the thread, so he or she may have said something ridiculously offensive that I missed ... but if he wants to live with all white people, what's wrong with that? Personally, I'd rather surround myself with people who are open to other people's experiences, opinions, personalities, etc, WHATEVER their race --- so if he (or she) is wanting to keep the same homogenity that he or she is used to, what's it to me? Ideally it'd be nice to take sheltered people and show them the rest of the world and its peoples, but it seems like the mind is already made up on this one.

But then again, maybe I'm missing something ...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: WoeIsMe on January 16, 2005, 11:56:12 AM
yea, i missed it too.  the original poster said he/she grew up in a diverse area and was looking for a change..  permanent, or temporary, we have no clue.  personally, i'd like to try out Singapore or Germany... that doesn't make me anti-american.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 16, 2005, 01:16:49 PM
I think we're all forgetting that the OP wants to live with white people- he doesn't want to get away from black people.  This is a slim difference but an important one.

If I have to choose between a hot dog and a pretzel, I'd choose a pretzel.  That doesn't mean I hate hot dogs.  Maybe later I'll try the hot dog.  Maybe I want to try something different for a change.  Maybe not.  It's my choice.

The OP could very well be acting out of personal preference, not racism.

In short, it's not racist to like both choices and yet just like one a little more.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: TLFKARG on January 16, 2005, 01:22:02 PM
I've always lived in diverse areas, and my campus in undergrad was very diverse.  I think I'd like a mostly white law school, and live in a part of the country that is very white.  I'm just more comfortable in that environment.  People of other backgrounds seek this out as well, so I don't apologize for wanting this.

I'm leaning towards (in no particular order):

1.  University of Kentucky.
2.  Quinnipiac (CT).
3.  University of Idaho.
4.  University of Maine.
5.  University of Montana.


Ole- Hey congrats to you and good luck on getting into a white rice law school. I feel you. I'm black and i ONLY want to go to a black law school. The LSAT thing I want to do is be around white people while I'm getting a legal education. It's not racist at all. I went to an HBCU (Historically Black College and University) for undergrad, and I would do the same for law school. I fully support your decision and I understand why you want to be around your own kind. It's natural and your choice.

Hey, I want to go to an HBCU Law school, and I want to put my money in a black bank, live in a black neighborhood, and marry a black woman. I'll have a few white friends like Ruskie over for the holidays but that's about it. It's totally natural for you to want to be with your own folk. ( you are white right? if not, then you are screwed in the head).

@#!* YT ;D

Whoa, you're taking some big steps there, HBCU!  Me over for dinner?!  I'd be honored, of course! ;D :-*
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: drew617 on January 16, 2005, 02:38:42 PM
I couldn't help but locate the blatant irony in your position.  Your name, which I assume to be short for "black reign" or something to that effect, seems to be suggesting a simple reversal of any discrimination or oppression that you've convinced yourself exists.  For you, it would be completely acceptable if the black/white roles (or at least the roles you have assigned them) to be switched.  Therefore, you would not be saying the same thing if black people did in fact "reign" (whatever that means).

Does this photo of Jerry Rice, Rich Gannon, and Tim Brown suggest that there should be a "simple reversal of discrimination or oppression" ?

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1613.jpg)

Nope. Not at all, because I'll admit that black athletes are on the whole stronger, faster, and just plain more athletic than whites.  Of course there are exceptions.  That's why I don't whine about not having a proportional population of, say, Asians in the NFL.  That would just be ridiculous.  Some are just better suited for the job, i.e. football.  The same should apply in all other aspects of professionalism.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: russian_concussion on January 16, 2005, 02:44:06 PM
I couldn't help but locate the blatant irony in your position.  Your name, which I assume to be short for "black reign" or something to that effect, seems to be suggesting a simple reversal of any discrimination or oppression that you've convinced yourself exists.  For you, it would be completely acceptable if the black/white roles (or at least the roles you have assigned them) to be switched.  Therefore, you would not be saying the same thing if black people did in fact "reign" (whatever that means).

Does this photo of Jerry Rice, Rich Gannon, and Tim Brown suggest that there should be a "simple reversal of discrimination or oppression" ?

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1613.jpg)

Nope. Not at all, because I'll admit that black athletes are on the whole stronger, faster, and just plain more athletic than whites.  Of course there are exceptions.  That's why I don't whine about not having a proportional population of, say, Asians in the NFL.  That would just be ridiculous.  Some are just better suited for the job, i.e. football.  The same should apply in all other aspects of professionalism.

I have been an advocate of including Asians in the NFL through AA practices for years now. It's unfair to discriminate against players and keep them from participating in a sport simply because their race. So what if they are underqualified candidates for this particular professional vocation, they should still be included by virtue of their race!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on January 16, 2005, 02:50:13 PM
I couldn't help but locate the blatant irony in your position.  Your name, which I assume to be short for "black reign" or something to that effect, seems to be suggesting a simple reversal of any discrimination or oppression that you've convinced yourself exists.  For you, it would be completely acceptable if the black/white roles (or at least the roles you have assigned them) to be switched.  Therefore, you would not be saying the same thing if black people did in fact "reign" (whatever that means).

Does this photo of Jerry Rice, Rich Gannon, and Tim Brown suggest that there should be a "simple reversal of discrimination or oppression" ?

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1613.jpg)

Nope. Not at all, because I'll admit that black athletes are on the whole stronger, faster, and just plain more athletic than whites.  Of course there are exceptions.  That's why I don't whine about not having a proportional population of, say, Asians in the NFL.  That would just be ridiculous.  Some are just better suited for the job, i.e. football.  The same should apply in all other aspects of professionalism.

You do realize that not everyone in this photo is Black right?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: maka nani on January 16, 2005, 04:04:14 PM
I couldn't help but locate the blatant irony in your position. Your name, which I assume to be short for "black reign" or something to that effect, seems to be suggesting a simple reversal of any discrimination or oppression that you've convinced yourself exists. For you, it would be completely acceptable if the black/white roles (or at least the roles you have assigned them) to be switched. Therefore, you would not be saying the same thing if black people did in fact "reign" (whatever that means).

Does this photo of Jerry Rice, Rich Gannon, and Tim Brown suggest that there should be a "simple reversal of discrimination or oppression" ?

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1613.jpg)

Nope. Not at all, because I'll admit that black athletes are on the whole stronger, faster, and just plain more athletic than whites. Of course there are exceptions. That's why I don't whine about not having a proportional population of, say, Asians in the NFL. That would just be ridiculous. Some are just better suited for the job, i.e. football. The same should apply in all other aspects of professionalism.

You do realize that not everyone in this photo is Black right?

lol!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: drew617 on January 16, 2005, 05:05:39 PM
I couldn't help but locate the blatant irony in your position.  Your name, which I assume to be short for "black reign" or something to that effect, seems to be suggesting a simple reversal of any discrimination or oppression that you've convinced yourself exists.  For you, it would be completely acceptable if the black/white roles (or at least the roles you have assigned them) to be switched.  Therefore, you would not be saying the same thing if black people did in fact "reign" (whatever that means).

Does this photo of Jerry Rice, Rich Gannon, and Tim Brown suggest that there should be a "simple reversal of discrimination or oppression" ?

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1613.jpg)

Nope. Not at all, because I'll admit that black athletes are on the whole stronger, faster, and just plain more athletic than whites.  Of course there are exceptions.  That's why I don't whine about not having a proportional population of, say, Asians in the NFL.  That would just be ridiculous.  Some are just better suited for the job, i.e. football.  The same should apply in all other aspects of professionalism.

You do realize that not everyone in this photo is Black right?

hahaha

yeah, I realize that, but thanks.  Perhaps it wasn't the best example offered by Blk_Reign but I got the point of his post and responded in kind.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 16, 2005, 09:17:13 PM
It bothers me a bit that there are only a couple black folks here and a dozen, give or take, white folks arguing about AA and Race Issues. It's sort of unbalanced.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: I hear America singing on January 16, 2005, 09:18:53 PM
It's not the number of people arguing, it's the power of their ideas.

Give me one man with an atom bomb versus ten thousand with spears anyday.

HTH.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 16, 2005, 09:38:27 PM
Well, true.  But it's still hard for a couple of people to say something and then be argued against by, say, twelve others. 
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: maricutie on January 16, 2005, 09:52:00 PM
I think it's just that, generally, minorities have had to dealt with this for some time now. As in, since applying to college. For many non-minorities, I would imagine they are just recently looking into the complexities of the AA debate. I think we've just heard it all in the hundreds of previous AA posts before.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 16, 2005, 09:54:49 PM
I think you have a good point mariecutie
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Trevor on January 17, 2005, 02:52:30 AM
I couldn't help but locate the blatant irony in your position.  Your name, which I assume to be short for "black reign" or something to that effect, seems to be suggesting a simple reversal of any discrimination or oppression that you've convinced yourself exists.  For you, it would be completely acceptable if the black/white roles (or at least the roles you have assigned them) to be switched.  Therefore, you would not be saying the same thing if black people did in fact "reign" (whatever that means).

Does this photo of Jerry Rice, Rich Gannon, and Tim Brown suggest that there should be a "simple reversal of discrimination or oppression" ?

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1613.jpg)

Nope. Not at all, because I'll admit that black athletes are on the whole stronger, faster, and just plain more athletic than whites.  Of course there are exceptions.  That's why I don't whine about not having a proportional population of, say, Asians in the NFL.  That would just be ridiculous.  Some are just better suited for the job, i.e. football.  The same should apply in all other aspects of professionalism.

You do realize that not everyone in this photo is Black right?

hahaha

yeah, I realize that, but thanks.  Perhaps it wasn't the best example offered by Blk_Reign but I got the point of his post and responded in kind.
No, you didn't get the point.  The point is that blk_reign is called blk_reign because blk_reign is a Raiders fan.  The Raiders, you see, wear black.  Their fans want them to "reign" in the NFL by winning lots of games.  The name blk_reign does not, as you have assumed, have any connection to racial identity politics.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: maka nani on January 17, 2005, 06:30:18 AM
kind of like the steel curtain....well...sort of
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: MJ on January 17, 2005, 08:27:53 PM
where do i fit in?  what box do i check?

biological mother (name unknown): white
biological father: japanese

Raised all my life by black women.

anybody ever seen fakin tha funk?  thats me...except im a girl
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: giffy on January 17, 2005, 08:37:14 PM
where do i fit in?  what box do i check?

biological mother (name unknown): white
biological father: japanese

Raised all my life by black women.

anybody ever seen fakin tha funk?  thats me...except im a girl

AfroCaucanese

HTH
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: MJ on January 17, 2005, 10:09:44 PM
ha..thats good...crackajap was another one...but that doesnt tie in the woman i consider my mom who is black...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: maricutie on January 18, 2005, 06:22:52 AM
where do i fit in?  what box do i check?

biological mother (name unknown): white
biological father: japanese

Raised all my life by black women.

anybody ever seen fakin tha funk?  thats me...except im a girl

You check off "other" and write an addendum. Or, if the school allows, check off as many as you think apply. Berkeley lets you do this, i think.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: passim on March 01, 2005, 11:35:59 AM
TOP TEN WHITEST LAW SCHOOLS

1 University of Montana  MT 95.6
2 University of Maine  ME 95.3
3 Samford University (Cumberland) AL 94.7
4 University of Idaho  ID 93.7
5 Duquesne University PA 93.4
6 University of South Carolina  SC 93.0
7 Northern Kentucky University (Chase) KY 92.9
8 University of Kentucky  KY 92.7
9 Marquette University WI 92.6
10 University of Richmond  VA 92.4
 
 
 
 While it  might be expected that many of the Top 10 Whitest Law Schools  would be from states or regions that had very few minorities (such as University of Maine),  in fact, half the Top 10 Whitest Law Schools are in the south which has a significant minority population.
 
 Only Maine (-.59%) has fewer whites in the school than in its state law school age population (ages 21 to 39). However, since all schools assert that they are national or regional schools, Maine was left on the Top Ten list because the New England Region has  83.93% whites between 21-39 years old . Thus, Maine has 10% more white students than white population 21-39 years old in the New England Region.
 
 
 Excess whiteness is striking in three Top Ten Whitest Law Schools: The University of Alabama, University of Richmond and University of South Carolina. In each of these schools, the schools have over 25% more white law students than white population 21 to 39 years old in the state. (See Below)
 
 Six of the Top Ten Whitest Law Schools are public schools. All the schools except Maine are over-serving their white population.  South Carolina has the highest excess total whiteness, with 28.67% more white law students than white population 21-39 years old  in the state. Significant excess whiteness in law school raises questions about how well these tax support schools are meeting their obligation to all the citizens of their respective state. (See Below)
 
 
 Most Top Ten Whitest Law Schools are 3rd tier schools; that is there are no 1st tier school and only one 4th tier school.
 
 Kentucky is the only state to have two law schools in the Top 10 Whitest Law Schools.
 
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03justice/LegalEd/Whitest/HWLS0401.htm
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on March 01, 2005, 02:17:50 PM
1.  This thread is a month and a half old.  Let's not resurrect the dead b/c we're bored.

2.  This was started by a troll in the first place, and it just got out of control. 
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: maka nani on March 01, 2005, 02:19:18 PM
looks like a new troll  ::)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: reasearch diary on April 07, 2005, 06:33:53 PM
University of Dayton .. too bad .. racist articles and stuff
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Julie Fern on April 13, 2005, 12:07:31 AM
It bothers me a bit that there are only a couple black folks here and a dozen, give or take, white folks arguing about AA and Race Issues. It's sort of unbalanced.

in so many ways.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: hilljack on April 13, 2005, 12:14:28 AM
Lexington, KY and Northern Kentucky have a large minority population?

I have actually read this bologna.

This guy claims that every law school is national and therefore the fact that a school is in a mostly white area is no excuse for an inbalance.

Newsflash, Maine is not a national school.

USC and Samford, you could make an argument for it.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: teiladay on May 02, 2005, 02:14:35 PM
I don't have a problem with white people wanting to attend a mostly white school.  Although my cousin graduated Howard Law School (another cousin graduated Howard electrical engineering program), I could not attend a HBU.  I do not (this is my preference, I'm not stating that one school or environment is better than another) want to attend a school, or raise my family in an area where I hear people driving down the road with their stereo thumping, etc., etc.  Unfortunately this is what I MOSTLY experience when I am in a situation/environment with a high percentage of minorities (specifically black and hispanic).  Again, this is MY experience only. I would not ever entertain the idea of attending a HBU or a heavily diverse university or Law School due to the cultural activities surrounding such.  Someone mentioned Vermont..  I find Vermont (Londonderry, Vermont and Manchester area(s)) to be wonderful  quiet and ideal! (I don't think the law school is even near worth the tuition they charge).  I've spent several weeks in the state and am hard pressed to find people acting like idiots at the local movie or driving down the road blasting their music.... ahhhh.. heaven...  New Orleans, and Norfolk, Virginia on the otherhand are crime filled.  Now I live in Newport News, VA.,  though I've been a resident of Panama City, Fl. for over 20yrs., I've also lived in Minot, North Dakota (not to many of us black folks there thats for sure).  The bottom line for me is, I too want to attend a predominantly Asian, white, (or mix of the two) school. It seems that the predominatly black law schools have systematic low bar passage rates when compared to other (less diverse) schools.  I also find that cities with a high minority population, have considerable more crime.  Can anyone name me a large U.S. city that is predominantly black, that experiences low crime?  Probably not.  I can't blame Joe Schmoe for not wanting to attend a Law School with a high number of minorities due to the lifestyle and cultural antics that are usually experienced along with high minority counts.

University of Virginia will be my "Reach" school
William & Mary would be nice
University of North Dakota  would be up my alley AND CHEAP!!  (waay confident I could get in)
Florida State University closest to where I grew up. (confident of being accepted)
I've even looked at the Two Year program at Thomas Cooley (yeah I know)... but only two years? Hmmmmmm..

Best of Luck to everyone!

Teila K. Day


Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Stacey Koon on May 03, 2005, 02:21:11 PM
This is exactly what's wrong with this country.  A white person wants to attend a law school that is predominantly white.  Therefore, they must be racist.  This country is screwed up.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: dividebyzero on May 03, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
I don't have a problem with white people wanting to attend a mostly white school.  Although my cousin graduated Howard Law School (another cousin graduated Howard electrical engineering program), I could not attend a HBU.  I do not (this is my preference, I'm not stating that one school or environment is better than another) want to attend a school, or raise my family in an area where I hear people driving down the road with their stereo thumping, etc., etc.  Unfortunately this is what I MOSTLY experience when I am in a situation/environment with a high percentage of minorities (specifically black and hispanic).  Again, this is MY experience only. I would not ever entertain the idea of attending a HBU or a heavily diverse university or Law School due to the cultural activities surrounding such.  Someone mentioned Vermont..  I find Vermont (Londonderry, Vermont and Manchester area(s)) to be wonderful  quiet and ideal! (I don't think the law school is even near worth the tuition they charge).  I've spent several weeks in the state and am hard pressed to find people acting like idiots at the local movie or driving down the road blasting their music.... ahhhh.. heaven...  New Orleans, and Norfolk, Virginia on the otherhand are crime filled.  Now I live in Newport News, VA.,  though I've been a resident of Panama City, Fl. for over 20yrs., I've also lived in Minot, North Dakota (not to many of us black folks there thats for sure).  The bottom line for me is, I too want to attend a predominantly Asian, white, (or mix of the two) school. It seems that the predominatly black law schools have systematic low bar passage rates when compared to other (less diverse) schools.  I also find that cities with a high minority population, have considerable more crime.  Can anyone name me a large U.S. city that is predominantly black, that experiences low crime?  Probably not.  I can't blame Joe Schmoe for not wanting to attend a Law School with a high number of minorities due to the lifestyle and cultural antics that are usually experienced along with high minority counts.

University of Virginia will be my "Reach" school
William & Mary would be nice
University of North Dakota  would be up my alley AND CHEAP!!  (waay confident I could get in)
Florida State University closest to where I grew up. (confident of being accepted)
I've even looked at the Two Year program at Thomas Cooley (yeah I know)... but only two years? Hmmmmmm..

Best of Luck to everyone!

Teila K. Day

You have got to be kidding me...
You know, I don't even usually bother with these "boohoo, I didn't get into the law school of my choice this year, it must be because of affirmative action and not at all to do with the fact that I'm a total dumbass..."-posts. But this one was just impressive.

You manage to make one post during your brief time on LSD, and it happens to be the single worst and most garbage-laden post I've ever seen on this board.

What made you think that just because you happen to have a cousin or what the hell ever that attended Howard, that you could then go into what's nothing more than stereotype-laden, racist diatribe? You manage to make some sort of vague reference to there not being to many of "us black people" in Minot, ND, so I'm assuming you're black. If that's the case, then you are sorely misinformed about socioeconomic conditions in, and the history of America.

Could I name you a major city off the top of my head that's predominately black or hispanic that doesn't suffer from high crime. Probably not. But, among the cities that are predominately black or hispanic and crime-laden, can you show me any of them where the significant statistical majority of the population actually lives *above* the poverty level?

Incidentally, whites don't even make up the make up the majority of the population in most major American cities.

http://www.brook.edu/dybdocroot/es/urban/census/citygrowth.htm

So, even if one were to somehow "luck out", according to your insightful and limited observations of America, and attend a predominately white or asian law school, they'd still have to live with blacks and hispanics and all of their "lifestyle and cultural antics".

No one's saying that if a white person wants to attend an predominately white school that they're racist, just stupid  >:(.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: loudfarting on May 06, 2005, 05:24:31 PM
What the hell is this thread about? Huh?!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: teiladay on May 23, 2005, 10:01:44 PM
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You have got to be kidding me...
You know, I don't even usually bother with these "boohoo, I didn't get into the law school of my choice this year, it must be because of affirmative action and not at all to do with the fact that I'm a total dumbass..."-posts. But this one was just impressive.

You manage to make one post during your brief time on LSD, and it happens to be the single worst and most garbage-laden post I've ever seen on this board.

What made you think that just because you happen to have a cousin or what the hell ever that attended Howard, that you could then go into what's nothing more than stereotype-laden, racist diatribe? You manage to make some sort of vague reference to there not being to many of "us black people" in Minot, ND, so I'm assuming you're black. If that's the case, then you are sorely misinformed about socioeconomic conditions in, and the history of America.

Could I name you a major city off the top of my head that's predominately black or hispanic that doesn't suffer from high crime. Probably not. But, among the cities that are predominately black or hispanic and crime-laden, can you show me any of them where the significant statistical majority of the population actually lives *above* the poverty level?

Incidentally, whites don't even make up the make up the majority of the population in most major American cities.

http://www.brook.edu/dybdocroot/es/urban/census/citygrowth.htm

So, even if one were to somehow "luck out", according to your insightful and limited observations of America, and attend a predominately white or asian law school, they'd still have to live with blacks and hispanics and all of their "lifestyle and cultural antics".

No one's saying that if a white person wants to attend an predominately white school that they're racist, just stupid  >:(.
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1.  I'm quite aware of the socioeconomic conditions here in the U.S., and it honestly has little to do with the fact that black culture plays a larger role in creating "undesirables" than socioeconomics..  although "history" and "socioeconomic conditions" are popular crutches that sensitive people often lob.

2.  So you can't name one city thats predominantly black with a low crime rate?  But you infer (even though many  p o o r Chinese and Korean neighborhoods out west are virtually crime free) that such behavior is due because of poverty.  That is but another excuse for a large sect of our race being totally lazy, and seemingly taking pride in being ignorant.  Its not poverty that causes crime.  Its lazy, dispicable people who would rather steal, act retarded in public, and proclaim that being ignorant is cool via their actions, that is the cause of poverty..  Its a high birth rate, low education coupled with the aforementioned traits (to include the embracement of "ghetto culture") that cause poverty, crime is simply a foreseeable by-product of those particular types of people (black or white).  If you want to play statistics games... show me statistics that show poor Black America per capita, having an overall crime rate lower than poor White, Korean, or Chinese Americans.  That should keep you in the library for a while..

3.  * Now, you and I both know that it isn't poverty that makes up the large cultural differenc(es) between blacks and whites.  There is nothing wrong with a black or white person wanting to attend a predominantly white school because of the difference in education AND culture.  You wouldn't flinch if you heard a black person wanting to attend a predominantly black school would you?  Now, I just happen to relish the environment at a predominantly white school much better than the HBU or the like.  The difference between Florida A&M, and Florida State isn't due to poverty, yet the environments are different.  I would attend FSU before FAMU.  The difference between Old Dominion and University of Virginia aren't due to poverty... but I'd rather do graduate studies at UVA if I had to choose between the two.  University New Orleans is far different than being on the Tulane Campus.  C'mon, even my 12 year old daughter can easily tell the difference between the two school cultures.  UNO students "act" predominantly one way.. the students at Tulane act on whole, differently.  Most students who attend FAMU and or UNO are not students from "poverty".

4.  You stated: "So, even if one were to somehow "luck out", according to your insightful and limited observations of America, and attend a predominately white or asian law school, they'd still have to live with blacks and hispanics and all of their "lifestyle and cultural antics"."

 Are you serious?  Londonderry, Vermont... in the better part of a month, you'll see about 5 black people. They are usually over the age of 50.  After several trips to the area, I have yet to hear a car driving down the road with music blaring. One can easily escape the cultural antics of the black & hispanic minority if he/she chooses.  Do you honestly think Vermont, Maine, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and or Wyoming have a diverse atmostphere? I take it you don't spend much time up North. When taking photographs around the Williamsburg area (Williamsburg, Virginia) I gave a demonstration to my daughters..  We shot photos on a corner for the better part of an hour in the old historic town, .. crowds of people passed, then a group of LOUD talking people, who could be heard literally 200 yards away came into view.. they were black.  I tell my daughters that such is exactly the type of behaviour that fosters stereotypes, I also relate to them that stereotypes are not usually ficticious figments pulled out of thin air, but yet are usually based on experiences.  I look them in the eye and tell them that they are not to act like that.. just like my parents did not raise my brother and I to act like wild animals (or should I say "uncharming") in public.

Do I have a problem with black people who want to go to a black University?  No.  Do I have a problem with White people who want to go to a white University? No.    ... nor would I have a problem, or think it odd, that a white person might feel more at ease attending a black U or a black person finding it more appealing to attend a white U.  Everyone has their preferences, and just because their prefs., aren't the same as yours, hardly means one is less cognizant of the socioeconomic 'goings on' here in the U.S., than you.

For me, if I'm shelling out close to $100,000 for law school, you can bet that I'd rather pay the big bucks to go to University of Virginia, Pennsylvania, etc.. as opposed to a predominantly black schhol.  Thats just what makes ME happy :)   Its the typical black culture that I doesn't appeal to me, not black people.  Now, if a school like MIT, CIT, Columbia, Yale, UVA, Cornell, were predominantly black and had the same entrance requirements.. then sure, I'd still bust my arse to attend those schools, because more than likely the black culture and school atmostphere would be different than what I'd experience at Southern University, Baton Rouge, LA..   As far as me being "stupid" just because I want to attend a non diverse Law School... We'll let the LSAT (Law) and GMAT (concurrent MBA) be the judge of that <wink>.

Thicker skin can be found on eBay at a handsome price I hear..

Teila K. Day
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: faith2005 on May 24, 2005, 03:16:19 PM
wow, i have to say, i hadn't read this thread before. Teiladay, perhaps if you're so worried about black people being stereotyped, you wouldn't write such ignorant things about black people on an anonymous message board. I have attended predominately white institutions throughout my higher education, and I still think its ridiculous that some black people have bought into the idea that white culture=the better culture, and that Black people can't achieve their goals and be the best academically and career-wise without taking on Caucasian cultural traits. but, to each his own...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: bluetooth on May 25, 2005, 03:19:49 AM
the polar areas are very white.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: rick8481 on May 25, 2005, 06:05:33 AM
I am looking to attend an all Peurto Rican women law school.  Can anyone point me in the right direction.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Ms.Crawford on May 31, 2005, 05:13:34 AM
Especially in the second and third year there are very few black people. So, yes, most of the schools are mostly white.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: elegantpearl01 on June 04, 2005, 03:52:11 PM
Most law schools are mostly white...even those at HBCUs look at FAMU's law school in Orlando.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: teiladay on August 02, 2005, 11:36:54 AM
wow, i have to say, i hadn't read this thread before. Teiladay, perhaps if you're so worried about black people being stereotyped, you wouldn't write such ignorant things about black people on an anonymous message board. I have attended predominately white institutions throughout my higher education, and I still think its ridiculous that some black people have bought into the idea that white culture=the better culture, and that Black people can't achieve their goals and be the best academically and career-wise without taking on Caucasian cultural traits. but, to each his own...



Interesting.  I'm not worried about "black people being stereotyped", I'm a conscious parent, and teach MY children not to engage in activity and loud behaviour that I believe MOST reasonable people (black or white) find socially lacking. Such behavior is what commonly stereotypes blacks. I'm not worried about you or your children, I'm worried about myself and mine. I firmly believe that combating negative stereotypes and keeping MY children in line, starts in my home, and is my responsibility as a parent.. and definately not any teacher's responsibility!

I've heard it a million times over; You say: "I still think its ridiculous that some black people have bought into the idea that white culture=the better culture, and that Black people can't achieve their goals and be the best academically and carreer-wise without taking on Caucasian cultural traits. but, to each his own..."

Okaaaay...  So you HONESTLY think that wanting to attend University of Penn, or U of Virginia is academically AND socially on par with attending Howard (DC) or Southern down in Baton Rouge?  Just the contact base alone at U of Penn / U of VA is worth the effort.  It might mean the difference between being employeed at a small established but prominant firm, Versus working a government job. Career wise, the so-called "white" schools are generally a better choice more often than not.. and as a college graduate, I'm sure (like most reasonable & educated people) you know that already.  If you DON'T think that the "white schools" are on par socially and academically with the HBUs, but the schools and ABA report better bar passage rates and job attainment.. I would find it amazing that you could even possibly think that wanting to attend the "better" school(s) is succumbing to a White culture.

You mention black people taking on the Caucasian cultural traits... uuuh.. what traits specifically would those be?  Studying hard at a top school to make the grade and for a better chance at a better job?  Or simply standing in line quietly at an event instead of talking loud enough for people at 50 yards away to hear?  Or perhaps you mean the trait of pulling up to the school parking lot with your car stereo loud enough for only YOU to hear vs. people in the Chem. class 75 yards away..   Such aren't "white" or "caucasian" traits.  Such traits are freaking common sense traits that the typical American would rather encounter than not.  Oh, and I suppose the black teen's voice coming through the speaker at the drive through, in such a manner that the person placing the order can hear and understand every word that is articulated... would mean that the black person inside is "talking white" and taking on the Caucasian culture eh?   Get real.  The truth of the matter is, that most so-called "traits" that many blacks tend to refer to as "white", are merely traits of being freaking socially respectful and responsive to what MOST communities in America (black, white, asian or other(s)), would consider to be a preferred, respectful, of a low-criminal-element social standard.

Be specific in your statements when rebutting.  I am specific in mine.

I have not mentioned or given you any reason for one to infer that the White culture = better.  I did however make my scholastic preference clear.

I did not mention that blacks could not attain success and be the best academically and or "career-wise" without taking up Caucasian traits...  An idiot could make the educated assumtion that a person attending U of Penn, Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Berkley, U of VA.... would, from past data, intelligently gather that they have a higher propensity of reaping higher earning power, and better contacts than those who graduated law from Southern, Howard, Houston, etc..  Surely you have enough sense to realize that the education gained (especially that in order to pass the bar) is systematically better at the typical so-called "white" schools, when compared to the HBUs.

Again.. my decision and criteria in regards to what school I'd attend (and pay for my children to attend) is a decision that I feel is the best for my children and I.  If YOU want to go to a school (and or pay for YOUR children to attend a school) with an "oh-my-goodness-I-have-to-wonder-if-I-passed-the-bar" bar passage rate, then I say go for it!  :)

Teila K. Day



Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on August 17, 2005, 10:52:14 AM
What is it about white people that makes you more comfortable in that environment? (I am just curious and would ask the same question of anyone looking for a school of a particular ethnicity. But since white isn't really an ethnicity  ??? ...just wondering.)

prob for the same reason some black people seel to attend a predominantly black school.  it's comfortable and/or serves their needs as they see fit



Agreed.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on August 17, 2005, 12:25:40 PM

it isn't the same since blacks will always be a minority at a non hbcu..where as whites are the majority everywhere but hbcs

What is it about white people that makes you more comfortable in that environment? (I am just curious and would ask the same question of anyone looking for a school of a particular ethnicity. But since white isn't really an ethnicity  ??? ...just wondering.)

prob for the same reason some black people seel to attend a predominantly black school.  it's comfortable and/or serves their needs as they see fit



Agreed.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on August 17, 2005, 01:48:27 PM
I was agreeing with your idea that blacks attend HBCU because it is more comfortable for them. I was at a diversity workshop and one of the girls (go to HBCU) said that exact same thing. She said that she felt more comfortable around people like her and that she didn't find anything wrong with anybody doing that, whether they be black, white, asian, hispanic, whatever.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 12:13:45 AM
Teila, my house negro friend, you've managed to do only two things.  First, you've "proved" a correlation between black people and "retarded behavior" - not a cause and effect.  Secondly, you've managed to piss off a few posters here and there.  I'm not one of them - I've known too many people like you to care anymore.  What I will say is this.  Making judgements based on race that declares one race as better, especially in the blatantly dualistic way you've portrayed it, is by definition racist.  Period.  If that's your outlook, fine, but don't delude yourself into thinking it's anything else.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on August 21, 2005, 09:34:19 AM
I think you are reading too much into what Teila said. It's true, most people want others to be respectful, and that is not white, black, or green culture or traits. It is being a respectful human being. There are even white people that act like fools in front of others, so it really isn't only some black people perpetrating this. Just to let you know. I think you are just trying to make Teila out to be something Teila may not be.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: angelus on August 21, 2005, 09:53:28 AM
Strange how the beginning of this thread was so congenial and now its just a judgementfest.

Some minorities feel more comfortable with their own type.
Some whites feel more comfortable with their own type.

Why is it ok for minorities to feel this way but wrong for whites???

Where's the consistency? Where's the integrity?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 10:54:41 AM
Strange how the beginning of this thread was so congenial and now its just a judgementfest.

Some minorities feel more comfortable with their own type.
Some whites feel more comfortable with their own type.

Why is it ok for minorities to feel this way but wrong for whites???

Where's the consistency? Where's the integrity?

Maybe if it were as cut and dry as that we'd all be seeing the same thing.  But maybe you're ignoring the fact that the REASONING for wanting predominantly white universities, the reasoning that has been presented in this thread, has rarely if ever been "because I feel more comfortable with people of my skin color".  Oversimplify anything and you'll be wondering why people are more complex than you.  Stop deluding yourself into thinking you've found some plain as day contradiction like most anti-AA types like to do every other sentence.

Vinny, if Teila is saying something other than what I've represented the posts said, I indeed DO hope that Teila corrects me - not you.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: angelus on August 21, 2005, 11:03:37 AM
But maybe you're ignoring the fact that the REASONING for wanting predominantly white universities, the reasoning that has been presented in this thread, has rarely if ever been "because I feel more comfortable with people of my skin color".

Where? I read the entire thread and all posts pointed to comfort factor. Just because someone is uncomfortable around people of other races doesn't mean they are racist.

 
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Oversimplify anything and you'll be wondering why people are more complex than you.


Actually, People aren't that complex.

 
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Stop deluding yourself into thinking you've found some plain as day contradiction like most anti-AA types like to do every other sentence.

I am not deluding myself. It is a plain as day contradiction. How dare you assume I am Anti-AA. You're confusing teh need for affirmative action with human comfort levels. There is no correlation child.

I will state that oftentimes racism has to do with comfort level, yet that doesn't negate my first arguement if you are able to comprehend the reasoning.

I'd say more but I'm concerned it would only confuse you even more. :(
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on August 21, 2005, 11:05:46 AM
 :D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 11:11:50 AM
But maybe you're ignoring the fact that the REASONING for wanting predominantly white universities, the reasoning that has been presented in this thread, has rarely if ever been "because I feel more comfortable with people of my skin color".

Where? I read the entire thread and all posts pointed to comfort factor. Just because someone is uncomfortable around people of other races doesn't mean they are racist.

 
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Oversimplify anything and you'll be wondering why people are more complex than you.


Actually, People aren't that complex.
 
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Yes, they referred to comfort factor - again a simplification.  WHY was there an increased comfor factor?

There's a reason why I said "over" simplification.  Which means too much, regardless of whether the intended quantity is large or small.


 
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Stop deluding yourself into thinking you've found some plain as day contradiction like most anti-AA types like to do every other sentence.

I am not deluding myself. It is a plain as day contradiction. How dare you assume I am Anti-AA. You're confusing teh need for affirmative action with human comfort levels. There is no correlation child.

I will state that oftentimes racism has to do with comfort level, yet that doesn't negate my first arguement if you are able to comprehend the reasoning.

I'd say more but I'm concerned it would only confuse you even more. :(
Vinny, if Teila is saying something other than what I've represented the posts said, I indeed DO hope that Teila corrects me - not you.
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I didn't assume jack about whether or not you are anti-AA.  I made a comparison between you and anti-AAers. 

I'd say racism has to do with "comfort level" too.  I'd say that there's a line between normal comfort issues and racism.  But I'd also say that that line is not where you think it is.  The fact that I differ with you there isn't ammunition for you to condescend to me.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: angelus on August 21, 2005, 11:14:22 AM
*yawn*

But maybe you're ignoring the fact that the REASONING for wanting predominantly white universities, the reasoning that has been presented in this thread, has rarely if ever been "because I feel more comfortable with people of my skin color".

Where? I read the entire thread and all posts pointed to comfort factor. Just because someone is uncomfortable around people of other races doesn't mean they are racist.

 
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Oversimplify anything and you'll be wondering why people are more complex than you.


Actually, People aren't that complex.
 
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Yes, they referred to comfort factor - again a simplification.  WHY was there an increased comfor factor?

There's a reason why I said "over" simplification.  Which means too much, regardless of whether the intended quantity is large or small.


 
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Stop deluding yourself into thinking you've found some plain as day contradiction like most anti-AA types like to do every other sentence.

I am not deluding myself. It is a plain as day contradiction. How dare you assume I am Anti-AA. You're confusing teh need for affirmative action with human comfort levels. There is no correlation child.

I will state that oftentimes racism has to do with comfort level, yet that doesn't negate my first arguement if you are able to comprehend the reasoning.

I'd say more but I'm concerned it would only confuse you even more. :(
Vinny, if Teila is saying something other than what I've represented the posts said, I indeed DO hope that Teila corrects me - not you.
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I didn't assume jack about whether or not you are anti-AA.  I made a comparison between you and anti-AAers. 

I'd say racism has to do with "comfort level" too.  I'd say that there's a line between normal comfort issues and racism.  But I'd also say that that line is not where you think it is.  The fact that I differ with you there isn't ammunition for you to condescend to me.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 11:24:41 AM
A response infinitely more intelligent than I could ever have to offer.  Would you like to follow that amazing retort with an oral presentation dissertation on human psychology, Professor?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on August 21, 2005, 11:30:46 AM
So you think it is all right for black people to want to only go to school with other black people, but if white people want to do the same then they are being racist?

You are a hippocrite
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 11:35:04 AM
Did you just see the last few posts, dumbass?  Mithras basically said the exact same thing.  Why don't you get a headstart and see what I have to say to that idea before you make redundant posts and throw out words you can't spell.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: angelus on August 21, 2005, 11:39:52 AM
Did you just see the last few posts, dumbass?  Mithras basically said the exact same thing.  Why don't you get a headstart and see what I have to say to that idea before you make redundant posts and throw out words you can't spell.

No I did not. Please work on your reading comprehension skills if you sincerely wish to become a lawyer. :-*
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 11:42:27 AM
You in an earlier post: Some minorities feel more comfortable with their own type.
Some whites feel more comfortable with their own type.

Why is it ok for minorities to feel this way but wrong for whites???

Vinny: So you think it is all right for black people to want to only go to school with other black people, but if white people want to do the same then they are being racist?

You're right, they're nothing alike at all.  If you got into Law School the LSAT must be easy as hell.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: angelus on August 21, 2005, 11:44:14 AM
You're not paying attention, I'm wasting my time but I will LET you have teh last word. ;D

You in an earlier post: Some minorities feel more comfortable with their own type.
Some whites feel more comfortable with their own type.

Why is it ok for minorities to feel this way but wrong for whites???

Vinny: So you think it is all right for black people to want to only go to school with other black people, but if white people want to do the same then they are being racist?

You're right, they're nothing alike at all.  If you got into Law School the LSAT must be easy as hell.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on August 21, 2005, 11:45:13 AM
Did you just see the last few posts, dumbass?  Mithras basically said the exact same thing.  Why don't you get a headstart and see what I have to say to that idea before you make redundant posts and throw out words you can't spell.


Are you going to answer the question or not? It is far easier for you to through insults apparently, and who cares if I spell something correctly or not on an online message board?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 11:45:29 AM
Ah, the old "whatever I have better things to do" response.  Gives me sweet memories of elementary school four years ago.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: jerrica benton on August 21, 2005, 12:00:34 PM
Oversimplify anything and you'll be wondering why people are more complex than you. 

this kid is the truth--THE TRUTH.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: angelus on August 21, 2005, 12:03:29 PM
Oversimplify anything and you'll be wondering why people are more complex than you. 

this kid is the truth--THE TRUTH.

There are many truths. Big truths, small truths, etc.

Small truths depend on perspective. Big truths cannot be pinned down.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 12:04:41 PM
Ooh, I saw that quote in Superman Issue #29!  Good one, Mithras.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: angelus on August 21, 2005, 12:08:26 PM
Ooh, I saw that quote in Superman Issue #29!  Good one, Mithras.

Funny, I heard it in one of my college classes last year. I majored in Religious Studies ;D

Though teh fact that you saw it in a comic book makes me ponder the sociological conditioning of youth through comics. Afterall, that would be a great way to get certain things under the radar of intellectual censorship.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 12:15:35 PM
Mithykins, your sarcasm detector is broken.

To fix it (http://www.funnydesigns.com/Getoveryourself-2.5-wide.gif)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: angelus on August 21, 2005, 12:17:27 PM
Mithykins, your sarcasm detector is broken.


Hey, I've seen stranger things written in comics ;D

But obviously you have no desire to posess my pearls, therefore I shall stop casting them before you. 8)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on August 22, 2005, 12:00:25 PM
You go Mithras!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: _BP_ on August 22, 2005, 01:25:48 PM
Mithykins, your sarcasm detector is broken.


Hey, I've seen stranger things written in comics ;D

But obviously you have no desire to posess my pearls, therefore I shall stop casting them before you. 8)

LOL, I got that Mithras, you just called him a pig didnt' you? haha
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 22, 2005, 03:37:51 PM
Mithykins, your sarcasm detector is broken.


Hey, I've seen stranger things written in comics ;D

But obviously you have no desire to posess my pearls, therefore I shall stop casting them before you. 8)

LOL, I got that Mithras, you just called him a pig didnt' you? haha

...Wow.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: gosox on October 21, 2005, 01:34:51 PM
but no duck sauce
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: dividebyzero on October 21, 2005, 01:58:33 PM
Why in the HELL was this thread brought back?
I thought we put a bullet through its head and buried it in a shallow grave.
Quit living in the past, LSD!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: SkullTatt on October 23, 2005, 05:25:13 PM
I want to go to a mostly black law school in a mostly white area. I want Queen Latifah for my Con Law professor, and Jennifer Coolidge as the ditzy, beleagured, first-ever-white Dean of Students.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: LawBoundLoser on December 05, 2005, 11:22:51 PM
Strange how the beginning of this thread was so congenial and now its just a judgementfest.

Some minorities feel more comfortable with their own type.
Some whites feel more comfortable with their own type.

Why is it ok for minorities to feel this way but wrong for whites???

Where's the consistency? Where's the integrity?

I heard the same BS when I was in high school... "Why don't we have an white student coalition?" "Why don't we have a white business student club?"

BECAUSE, you're home! You're the norm! You've got priviledges! Minority students who want simply to be around their own kind are just as racist as a similar white person... but it's more complicated than that.... it's often the case that groups of people of similar origins get together to pool sympathy and create a safe environment for growth and progress... where people aren't over their shoulders judging them for, e.g., declaring URM disadvantages.

I'm not a URM, but I am in a minority group. I understand that it's tough to appreciate how difficult little things become when prejudices run wild, because many people rarely face those prejudices. But sometimes you want to be in an atmosphere where privilidged people can't point at you, probe, judge and stereotype. It's nice to be among other "ethnic" folks, who can appreciate how truly NOT different you are. For F*ck's sake...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: wallaby on December 06, 2005, 02:08:22 PM
Strange how the beginning of this thread was so congenial and now its just a judgementfest.

Some minorities feel more comfortable with their own type.
Some whites feel more comfortable with their own type.

Why is it ok for minorities to feel this way but wrong for whites???

Where's the consistency? Where's the integrity?

I heard the same BS when I was in high school... "Why don't we have an white student coalition?" "Why don't we have a white business student club?"

BECAUSE, you're home! You're the norm! You've got priviledges! Minority students who want simply to be around their own kind are just as racist as a similar white person... but it's more complicated than that.... it's often the case that groups of people of similar origins get together to pool sympathy and create a safe environment for growth and progress... where people aren't over their shoulders judging them for, e.g., declaring URM disadvantages.

I'm not a URM, but I am in a minority group. I understand that it's tough to appreciate how difficult little things become when prejudices run wild, because many people rarely face those prejudices. But sometimes you want to be in an atmosphere where privilidged people can't point at you, probe, judge and stereotype. It's nice to be among other "ethnic" folks, who can appreciate how truly NOT different you are. For F*ck's sake...

What a huge steamy pile of excrement. On the one hand, you want to claim that your presence is essential to desirable "educational objectives" and claim URM so you can get in despite being  underqualified on the basis of diversity of character or intellect or god knows what the hell diversity actually means beyond a certain number of blacks and browns per class. On the other hand, you want to hang out with other minorities so you can  appreciate how "NOT different" you are? For F*ck's sake....

Its so obvious that all other races have an inferiority complex, as groups, vis a vis the white race. Get over it, no thinking person thinks any race is inferior or superior to any other race.

Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: LawBoundLoser on December 06, 2005, 05:30:33 PM
On the one hand, you want to claim that your presence is essential to desirable "educational objectives" and claim URM so you can get in despite being  underqualified on the basis of diversity of character or intellect or god knows what the hell diversity actually means beyond a certain number of blacks and browns per class.

I didn't claim URM. But I am in a minority group.

My presence is not essential to a desirable educational atmosphere... diversity of views are essential. Whether those diverse views inhere in racial, religious, gender, etc., differences. And, wow... you've showed yourself to be a remarkable racist. "Blacks and browns?"

Bearing in mind, there's a directly proportional relation of degrees of racism to degrees of stupidity.

On the other hand, you want to hang out with other minorities so you can  appreciate how "NOT different" you are? For F*ck's sake....

Its so obvious that all other races have an inferiority complex, as groups, vis a vis the white race. Get over it, no thinking person thinks any race is inferior or superior to any other race.

Aside to the education question, and regarding the question of people being around others of their kind:
Yeah, basically, you've been a case in point. You sound pretty hostile. How the hell can us "blacks and browns" get the message to you?  Until that message arrives, we'll try to hang out in groups or clubs with fellow people "like us" and with people who are not like us but understand racism. Why? Because of you. You sound dangerous and angry at us "blacks and browns". I'll be damned if I can't form a club where we discuss how awful it is to read messages like yours.

Inferiority complex...? No. Thanks for your wise assessment of the mentality of minority groups in the States. You've shown yourself to have a real grip on our perspective. Most people who are judged negatively by virtue of their race, appearance, religion, etc., feel uncomfortable, offended, etc. Not inferior. If anything, there's a sense of intellectual superiority of victims of racism to their racist counterparts. You'd have to be stupid to be a racist. Period.

Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: rhombot on December 08, 2005, 06:36:20 AM
i hear howard is a pretty white school in a pretty white town.

if that doesn't work out, there's this resource: top ten whitest law schools:
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03justice/LegalEd/Whitest/
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: wallaby on December 08, 2005, 11:18:08 AM
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I didn't claim URM. But I am in a minority group.

uh huh

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My presence is not essential to a desirable educational atmosphere... diversity of views are essential. Whether those diverse views inhere in racial, religious, gender, etc., differences. And, wow... you've showed yourself to be a remarkable racist. "Blacks and browns?"

Diversity of views, right, as if LSATs indicate a certain viewpoint. I agree that different views are essential, but I totally disagree that race has anything to do with viewpoint.

I'm not a racist, but you are, RACIST!

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Bearing in mind, there's a directly proportional relation of degrees of racism to degrees of stupidity.

That's about as intelligent as me saying there is a direct relationship between low IQ and blackness.

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Aside to the education question, and regarding the question of people being around others of their kind:
Yeah, basically, you've been a case in point. You sound pretty hostile. How the hell can us "blacks and browns" get the message to you?


What message is it that blacks and browns feel compelled to "get to me"? Noone has anything to say to me based on his skin color.

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Until that message arrives, we'll try to hang out in groups or clubs with fellow people "like us" and with people who are not like us but understand racism. Why? Because of you. You sound dangerous and angry at us "blacks and browns". I'll be damned if I can't form a club where we discuss how awful it is to read messages like yours.

You are correct, I am dangerous, because I am one of millions of Americans who sees AA for what it really is, racial favoritism - and it will be over-turned. I suppose I am also dangerous because I truely do not see color, I believe the races are equal in every way and yet, I wont make allowances for any race based on the actions, past or present, of any other race. The laws are on the books now, segregation is illegal and discrimination based on race is illegal. I consider that the matter is closed. I refuse to allow myself to be dragged down and held accountable for the actions of the basest among us.

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Most people who are judged negatively by virtue of their race, appearance, religion, etc., feel uncomfortable, offended, etc. Not inferior. If anything, there's a sense of intellectual superiority of victims of racism to their racist counterparts. You'd have to be stupid to be a racist. Period.

I dont see people judged by virtue of their race or religion. If I saw it happen, I would be sure to speak out, because it would make me feel uncomfortable as well simply to be in the same room, regardless of my race, religion or appearance.

As for your comment about being stupid and being racist, well, its just wishful thinking. There are plenty of racists who are incredibly intelligent people. You should not underestimate the power of instinct in the human race. Nor should you brush off those people who's views you find objectionable as "stupid."



Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: FossilJ on December 10, 2005, 03:21:07 AM
Get over it, no thinking person thinks any race is inferior or superior to any other race.

... a few posts later ...

There are plenty of racists who are incredibly intelligent people.


... jsia ...




Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: LawBoundLoser on December 10, 2005, 09:06:05 AM
As for your comment about being stupid and being racist, well, its just wishful thinking. There are plenty of racists who are incredibly intelligent people. You should not underestimate the power of instinct in the human race. Nor should you brush off those people who's views you find objectionable as "stupid."

I'll not answer your other comments (because my previous comment to which you replied seems to have been lost to futility), but would like to point out that ALL racists are indeed stupid. I define intelligence, of course, as being able (among many other things) to silence emotional or cultural (non-logical) influence to see good arguments and facts shine through. This would include being hit (as if by a train) by the fact (call it an argument, if you need persuasion) that racism is wrong.

Hitler is a popular example of a smart racist. But as Germany declined and the Russians invaded, and when he didn't surrender, he sentenced much of his civilian population to (effectively) death. The foregoing fact paints a rather stupid picture of old Adolf. History simply regards him as being a good salesman of racism... only racists regard him as intelligent.

Name anyone! If they think racism is right, they are definitely stupid. Because imagine having a debate with them... they would be committed to totally dubious premises to justify racism. Committing oneself to dubios premises is characteristic of stupidity.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on December 10, 2005, 03:44:38 PM
Jesse Jackson, he is a racist and people believe him to be intelligent.... ;D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: misery on December 11, 2005, 02:51:56 PM

I'll not answer your other comments (because my previous comment to which you replied seems to have been lost to futility), but would like to point out that ALL racists are indeed stupid. I define intelligence, of course, as being able (among many other things) to silence emotional or cultural (non-logical) influence to see good arguments and facts shine through. This would include being hit (as if by a train) by the fact (call it an argument, if you need persuasion) that racism is wrong.


Funny, making blanket generalizations (all [insert group of people here] are stupid), as well as defining intelligence often garners one the title of racist.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: AH on December 11, 2005, 03:31:12 PM
Not sure if anyone said this (too many posts to sort through), but Roger Williams would be a good safety.  I spent some time up there and OMG so many white people.  Coming from HI (where, though I am also NA I was considered white) I didn't realize that many white people existed in one place.

FWIW, I can see someone's need to stay w/i your ethnic group (w/o making any comment on whether or not that's the healiest way to approach something).  I have several black friends who went to majority black undergads cause that's were they were more comfortable/wanted to experience being in the majority and pretty much all the Asian kids at my school stayed in Hawaii/CA for ug at schools with low numbers of non-Asians (UH is something like 70% Asian/Pacific Islander) b/c they didn't want to be the "minority" at a school. 

It was an interesting experience for me to go from being one of 3 white kids in a school to picking the undergrad I did that was like 70-80% white.  Given that I've had that experience, it didn't really influence my law school choice, but given the number of AA friends I have who sought out historically black ls's, etc.  I think it makes sens cme white students may want to do that same thing.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: LawBoundLoser on December 11, 2005, 11:51:53 PM
Funny, making blanket generalizations (all [insert group of people here] are stupid), as well as defining intelligence often garners one the title of racist.

Are all blanket generalizations wrong? I think some uses of generalizations are wrong, like racism. Because they extend over inherently non-generalizable entities (unique humans). But some generalizations are absolutely necessary. Like, e.g., all rape is wrong. All child abusers are wrong. All triangles are shapes. QED. Would you even listen to someone who would deny these generalizations? Logic is a tricky thing. Might look into the non-LSAT stuff for more help.

And, by the way, how does defining intelligence garner one the title of racist? Hm. You commit yourself to saying that IQ-test designers are your average Klan member. How does that even make sense?!

By the way, logical thinking is best taught in philosophy departments. Not LSAT prep courses.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: rhombot on December 12, 2005, 08:28:26 AM
anyone have information about which law schools are the most jewish?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: shabnam on December 12, 2005, 08:34:18 AM
This thread is really depressing....
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Paragon of Prestige on December 12, 2005, 09:09:48 AM
anyone have information about which law schools are the most jewish?

Yeshiva-Cardozo has to be up there in terms of Jewishness.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: misery on December 12, 2005, 01:49:22 PM
Are all blanket generalizations wrong? I think some uses of generalizations are wrong, like racism. Because they extend over inherently non-generalizable entities (unique humans). But some generalizations are absolutely necessary. Like, e.g., all rape is wrong. All child abusers are wrong. All triangles are shapes. QED. Would you even listen to someone who would deny these generalizations? Logic is a tricky thing. Might look into the non-LSAT stuff for more help.

You'll notice I specified a specfic type of blanket generalization - relating groups of people to a certain characteristic.  I think it's pretty hard to say ALL of a type of people are a certain characteristic.  While I will say that yes, most racists are stupid, there are definitely some intelligent ones.  Take a look outside of America.

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And, by the way, how does defining intelligence garner one the title of racist? Hm. You commit yourself to saying that IQ-test designers are your average Klan member. How does that even make sense?!
Why don't you go around arguing that intelligence is defined by standardized testing... no doubt someone will take offense to that and call you racist.  Whether I believe it or not, I don't really know, I'm just pointing out that a lot of arguments considered racist by this board start out in the same way as yours.

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By the way, logical thinking is best taught in philosophy departments. Not LSAT prep courses.

I haven't taken either.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on December 12, 2005, 09:58:07 PM
I've also taken logic classes in math and i felt like they taught it just as well as Phil, although i do prefer the phil logic classes better, of course.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on December 12, 2005, 11:47:31 PM
The fact that this thread is still going makes me laugh raucously.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: drama gal on December 12, 2005, 11:50:59 PM
The fact that this thread is still going makes me laugh raucously.

Sadly, It speaks volumes.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on December 13, 2005, 10:08:38 AM
Speaks volumes to what? The fact that this is an issue people want to talk about?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: AH on December 13, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
Speaks volumes to what? The fact that this is an issue people want to talk about?

I agree.  Granted, an largely white school may not be respresentative of the experience you will have as a lawyer, but how representative is a predominately black/asian, etc ls of future legal experience (esp. given the support to URMs in pursuing a legal education) and yet those are sougt out all the time and no one gets any trouble for it.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on December 14, 2005, 12:57:36 PM
Exactly, HBCUs are alive and thriving.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2005, 05:01:01 PM
I've also taken logic classes in math and i felt like they taught it just as well as Phil, although i do prefer the phil logic classes better, of course.

"Logical thinking" does not exactly equal "logic."  jsia

Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on December 15, 2005, 06:46:44 AM
it isn't an issue..it's simply ludicrous to believe that it is when the majority of all college universities are predominantly  white as it is...

lets not forget that HBCUs were created because white universities did not allow blacks to attend their colleges... nor did they believe that women should go to law school so the first 4 women to ever obtain their JD degrees (were white) obtained them from Howard University School of Law...

just because desegregation happened doesn't mean that HBCUs should be closed...what's even funnier to me about this is that people don't seem to complain about the majority black elementary, middle and high schools... i don't see any of you guys saying anything about those schools needing to close down so that impoverished minority children can have better education..



Speaks volumes to what? The fact that this is an issue people want to talk about?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: HBCU.EDU on December 15, 2005, 07:05:47 AM
speak to the people blk....

it isn't an issue..it's simply ludicrous to believe that it is when the majority of all college universities are predominantly  white as it is...

lets not forget that HBCUs were created because white universities did not allow blacks to attend their colleges... nor did they believe that women should go to law school so the first 4 women to ever obtain their JD degrees (were white) obtained them from Howard University School of Law...

just because desegregation happened doesn't mean that HBCUs should be closed...what's even funnier to me about this is that people don't seem to complain about the majority black elementary, middle and high schools... i don't see any of you guys saying anything about those schools needing to close down so that impoverished minority children can have better education..



Speaks volumes to what? The fact that this is an issue people want to talk about?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: AH on December 15, 2005, 01:27:05 PM
I definitely don't think HBCUs should be closed, far from it.  I have several friends at HBCUs all across the country.  I was just saying that I can understand why some people may seek out certain educational enviornments, using HBCUs as an example.

Also, FWIW, I just completed a huge paper on NCLB, so I am all about equal education (a subject too complex for this thread) and would be happy to see THOSE schools shut down if it meant a better education for disadvantaged children.

Mind you, this is all coming from someone who was not allowed to attend one of the top private schools in her hometown (and only affordable one) because it was only accesible to children of a certain race (which did not include white, native american, or black children) and instead went to one of those predominately minority, low-income public schools that as blkreign sugested, should be shut down. 

This is a complex issue and I think most of us were just trying to help someone out, as they would any ethnic group who sought a certain environment for LS. I know, coming from a white kid,  it seems like this thread is extemely wrong, but as someone who has experienced extreme racism and violence as a member of a minority group I think that we should all try and approach the issue with an open-mind and not jump on people for things that may seem very basic at face value, but may actually be more complex than we imagined.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on December 15, 2005, 09:38:31 PM
I've also taken logic classes in math and i felt like they taught it just as well as Phil, although i do prefer the phil logic classes better, of course.

"Logical thinking" does not exactly equal "logic."  jsia



When did I eve say that it does? I happen to enjoy logic very much.

Also, your pic is disturbing, you should really get rid of that, disgusting thing that it is.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on December 15, 2005, 09:39:47 PM
it isn't an issue..it's simply ludicrous to believe that it is when the majority of all college universities are predominantly  white as it is...

lets not forget that HBCUs were created because white universities did not allow blacks to attend their colleges... nor did they believe that women should go to law school so the first 4 women to ever obtain their JD degrees (were white) obtained them from Howard University School of Law...

just because desegregation happened doesn't mean that HBCUs should be closed...what's even funnier to me about this is that people don't seem to complain about the majority black elementary, middle and high schools... i don't see any of you guys saying anything about those schools needing to close down so that impoverished minority children can have better education..



Speaks volumes to what? The fact that this is an issue people want to talk about?

Because there is no point in making that argument, where would those kids go t oschool if theirs closed down, no where.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: FossilJ on December 15, 2005, 09:52:28 PM
I've also taken logic classes in math and i felt like they taught it just as well as Phil, although i do prefer the phil logic classes better, of course.

"Logical thinking" does not exactly equal "logic."  jsia



When did I eve say that it does? I happen to enjoy logic very much.

Also, your pic is disturbing, you should really get rid of that, disgusting thing that it is.

Ironically, your post responded to someone who said that "logical thinking is best taught in philosophy departments."  This indicates that you misunderstood the poster, and extrapolated the wrong conclusion from the premises you were given. 

So you did tacitly equate the two.  I don't even know if you understand that now.

And my pic stays.  Don't be so easily offended.

Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on December 15, 2005, 09:58:14 PM
Logical thinking IS best taught in phil departments, and then I went on to say that I loved the logic classes that I took at mine. Logic is a foundation to logical thinking, wouldn't you agree?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: FossilJ on December 15, 2005, 10:06:15 PM
Not as a language.  It's the other way around.  Logic is a part of logical thinking.

What did your logic classes in math have to do with the logical thinking taught in philosophy departments?  My post simply pointed out that a class in "logic" in math is not the same as learning "logical thinking" (although it may be a part of it) in philosophy departments. 

Your post indicated that logic (as a language) was either the same as, or the fundamental aspect to, logical thinking.  And it's not.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on December 16, 2005, 08:26:56 AM
 ::) do you know your brain from your arse Vinny?? obviously if those wretched schools are closed down then there has to be a forced solution... so you think those schools should remain open i take it ?

the logical thing to do would be to close those schools down temporarily...bus those impoverished students into better schools and reopen the poor schools with better resources...if the school system stays as it is some people will NEVER have a chance...

but u know what's cute though? when someone comes at you with hardcore facts you no longer have anything to say regarding the initial point that you were attempting to make..come on Notre Dame..do better

it isn't an issue..it's simply ludicrous to believe that it is when the majority of all college universities are predominantly  white as it is...

lets not forget that HBCUs were created because white universities did not allow blacks to attend their colleges... nor did they believe that women should go to law school so the first 4 women to ever obtain their JD degrees (were white) obtained them from Howard University School of Law...

just because desegregation happened doesn't mean that HBCUs should be closed...what's even funnier to me about this is that people don't seem to complain about the majority black elementary, middle and high schools... i don't see any of you guys saying anything about those schools needing to close down so that impoverished minority children can have better education..



Speaks volumes to what? The fact that this is an issue people want to talk about?

Because there is no point in making that argument, where would those kids go t oschool if theirs closed down, no where.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: intent06 on December 16, 2005, 09:09:55 AM
Dear God,

I know that I will be forced to be around ignorant individuals in law school.  This is just a fact of life.  But, please Lord, do NOT let Vinny attend any law school that I go to.  She is annoying and ridiculous.  The End.

Sincerely,

All the People Vinny Annoys
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: sls on December 16, 2005, 09:14:31 AM
come to my school (suffolk). it's like 95% white (just a guess -- i could be wrong).
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on December 21, 2005, 05:31:39 PM
::) do you know your brain from your arse Vinny?? obviously if those wretched schools are closed down then there has to be a forced solution... so you think those schools should remain open i take it ?

the logical thing to do would be to close those schools down temporarily...bus those impoverished students into better schools and reopen the poor schools with better resources...if the school system stays as it is some people will NEVER have a chance...

but u know what's cute though? when someone comes at you with hardcore facts you no longer have anything to say regarding the initial point that you were attempting to make..come on Notre Dame..do better

it isn't an issue..it's simply ludicrous to believe that it is when the majority of all college universities are predominantly  white as it is...

lets not forget that HBCUs were created because white universities did not allow blacks to attend their colleges... nor did they believe that women should go to law school so the first 4 women to ever obtain their JD degrees (were white) obtained them from Howard University School of Law...

just because desegregation happened doesn't mean that HBCUs should be closed...what's even funnier to me about this is that people don't seem to complain about the majority black elementary, middle and high schools... i don't see any of you guys saying anything about those schools needing to close down so that impoverished minority children can have better education..



Speaks volumes to what? The fact that this is an issue people want to talk about?

Because there is no point in making that argument, where would those kids go t oschool if theirs closed down, no where.

So your solution would be to send the kids to a school that might be on the verge of being run down and help overpopulate it? That would make no sense at all. The problem starts and should end wih the community, no need to shift problems elsewhere.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on December 21, 2005, 06:10:39 PM
sweetheart where did i say that ??? reading is fundamental....

i said send the kids to better schools (who said those schools were on the verge of closing?)...close down the crappy ones and reopen them with better resources...

and how does a problem "start and end with a community" when there's a public school system that funds the entire city? and which "community" are we speaking of Vinny... how are poor and impoverished going to have a better life with no resources without help?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Scythian on December 23, 2005, 04:22:20 AM
I've always lived in diverse areas, and my campus in undergrad was very diverse.  I think I'd like a mostly white law school, and live in a part of the country that is very white.  I'm just more comfortable in that environment.  People of other backgrounds seek this out as well, so I don't apologize for wanting this.

I'm leaning towards (in no particular order):

1.  University of Kentucky.
2.  Quinnipiac (CT).
3.  University of Idaho.
4.  University of Maine.
5.  University of Montana.

what is it about non-whites that bothers you?
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: vitaminwater on January 10, 2006, 10:53:19 PM
I've always lived in diverse areas, and my campus in undergrad was very diverse.  I think I'd like a mostly white law school, and live in a part of the country that is very white.  I'm just more comfortable in that environment.  People of other backgrounds seek this out as well, so I don't apologize for wanting this.

I'm leaning towards (in no particular order):

1.  University of Kentucky.
2.  Quinnipiac (CT).
3.  University of Idaho.
4.  University of Maine.
5.  University of Montana.


i'm scared for you buddy.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: kdlaw on January 14, 2006, 05:59:47 PM
It makes perfect sense to me why you would want to live in an all white area, you would be safe from gangs.  I read earlier about a guy who goes to USC but is scared to go to the school at night, I wonder if all the white people scare him in that area of LA?  The only people who go to HBCU's are racist blacks.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: kdlaw on March 22, 2006, 11:05:44 AM
I think at the HBCU schools you would have alot of the race card being played but you are talking about reasonably intelligent people, not gangsters
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: mivida2k on March 25, 2006, 12:15:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHV0Zq6kN5c&search=NAACP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHV0Zq6kN5c&search=NAACP)

That is an educated "white" boy
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: AH on March 25, 2006, 12:58:57 PM
I love that white boy!

Standing up at the NAACP meeting as the only white dude, that is pretty cool.  It is a tough situation, I have been in it many times (attending a lot of the Black Student Organization meetings on my capus).  I give a lot of credit to the other people at the meeting as well for embracing him.  The receiption I got at those functions was always really mixed, which is why I stopped going.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: cyberrev on March 25, 2006, 01:06:15 PM
I think at the HBCU schools you would have alot of the race card being played but you are talking about reasonably intelligent people, not gangsters



i applied at 2 hbcu's, and if the offers are right, i'll happily go.  and i'm whiter than the pillsbury doughboy.

i'm just not as fat, though i have been known to giggle if you poke me in the tummy.  i've also been known to kill for that too, so take your chances.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: mivida2k on March 25, 2006, 02:11:38 PM
I love that white boy!

Standing up at the NAACP meeting as the only white dude, that is pretty cool.  It is a tough situation, I have been in it many times (attending a lot of the Black Student Organization meetings on my capus).  I give a lot of credit to the other people at the meeting as well for embracing him.  The receiption I got at those functions was always really mixed, which is why I stopped going.

There was probably a reason. Notice that the students at the meeting did not have a problem with him speaking his mind.  I will say it was nice to finally hear someone talk about the flying of the confederate flag being treasonous. 
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: AH on March 25, 2006, 02:17:57 PM
Let me know if you have a reason you can suggest (I would be very curious to find a legtimate reason for this, esp. when supporting the same cause).

I found that I usually got the most *&^% from people who didn't know me and assumed I was from a very privilaged background just because I was white.  I always found it funny because it was usually coming from people who didn't encounter even half the prejudice I did growing up and came from families with a lot more money and privelege.

BTW, LOVE the 'tar mivi. :)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Freak on March 30, 2006, 02:42:52 PM
I went to a black meeting with one other white guy in LS (for the free pizza). It was really uncomfortable. I've been to the asian meetings several times and was [edited] comfortable. I have many asian & black friends, but I really wasn't expecting to be directly asked questions about the differences between whites & blacks. They wanted to know phrases that were unique to white culture. Neither of us could think of any but I suppose that was because we were on the spot when we'd planned to just observe.
I just couldn't believe that they'd ask us questions in front of ~30 blacks totally impromptu.

Anyway they are very much aware of racisim and I simply don't pay attention to it.

Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on March 30, 2006, 09:37:51 PM
I went to a black meeting with one other white guy in LS (for the free pizza). It was really uncomfortable. I've been to the asian meetings several times and was very comfortable. I have many asian & black friends, but I really wasn't expecting to be directly asked questions about the differences between whites & blacks. They wanted to know phrases that were unique to white culture. Neither of us could think of any but I suppose that was because we were on the spot when we'd planned to just observe.
I just couldn't believe that they'd ask us questions in front of ~30 blacks totally impromptu.

Anyway they are very much aware of racisim and I simply don't pay attention to it.



Now you know how we feel in most classes.  Welcome to the club.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Freak on March 30, 2006, 09:41:49 PM
Well thank you; I am glad I experienced it even though it wasn't fun at the time. I just read my post and I should've said I was comfortable at the asian meeting.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on April 21, 2006, 02:46:29 PM
But you WANT the attention for being black, you call attention to yourselves in all white surroundings, black people are the ones perpetuating the whole problem.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on April 29, 2006, 09:48:27 PM
But you WANT the attention for being black, you call attention to yourselves in all white surroundings, black people are the ones perpetuating the whole problem.

lol
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on May 01, 2006, 05:52:48 PM
Of course, perpetuating the problem.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: 2Lacoste on May 01, 2006, 07:10:31 PM


While I personally wouldn't wave around a Confederate flag, it is far from treasonous.  It is functionally very similar to flying a state flag, although instead of representing one state, the Stars and Bars represents a group of states. 



I agree.

It is not about slavery, not about racism.  Anybody who claims otherwise is obfuscating the issue.

I disagree.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: FossilJ on May 01, 2006, 09:47:33 PM
Personal foul.  Putting words in his mouth.  lacoste to shoot two.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Alamo on May 01, 2006, 09:57:22 PM


While I personally wouldn't wave around a Confederate flag, it is far from treasonous.  It is functionally very similar to flying a state flag, although instead of representing one state, the Stars and Bars represents a group of states. 



I agree.

It is not about slavery, not about racism.  Anybody who claims otherwise is obfuscating the issue.

I disagree.

You can disagree all you want, but you're wrong on this one.  You probably think the Civil War was over slavery too, right?  No, the Civil War was about federalism.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Although all confederate statesmen cited states' rights as the reason for secession, without slavery the civil war never would've happened. 

-Kansas/Nebraska
-Dred Scott Decision
-John Brown
-Uncle Tom's Cabin
-Underground Railroad

The vast majority of the north-south tensions were a direct result of slavery.  Remember, however, that the Union didn't start the war to end slavery (and may not have had white popular support for doing so at the time).  The Emancipation Proclamation was at least as much of a military tactic as a humanitarian gesture.

What does this mean for the rebel flag?  People can wave it and say that it's not about slavery, and might consciously believe what they're saying.  The fact is, Confederate history is undeniably intertwined with slavery - the Confederacy cannot be separated from it socially, economically or politically.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: 2Lacoste on May 01, 2006, 10:10:42 PM


While I personally wouldn't wave around a Confederate flag, it is far from treasonous.  It is functionally very similar to flying a state flag, although instead of representing one state, the Stars and Bars represents a group of states. 



I agree.

It is not about slavery, not about racism.  Anybody who claims otherwise is obfuscating the issue.

I disagree.

You can disagree all you want, but you're wrong on this one.  You probably think the Civil War was over slavery too, right?  No, the Civil War was about federalism.  Nothing more, nothing less.

I didn't say that but I will now -- the Civil War was as much about slavery as it was federalism, if not more.  Probably more.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blk_reign on May 02, 2006, 07:58:16 PM
sad thing is that you really believe that... :-\

But you WANT the attention for being black, you call attention to yourselves in all white surroundings, black people are the ones perpetuating the whole problem.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on May 03, 2006, 08:46:50 PM
No, the real sad thing is that it's true.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Alamo on May 03, 2006, 09:03:58 PM
So, did you apply to Liberty?  You'd probably love it there.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ImVinny! on May 03, 2006, 09:07:49 PM
Nope, I'm going to Ave Maria.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: notdunson on June 20, 2006, 03:44:33 PM
http://www.law.howard.edu/ (http://www.law.howard.edu/)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: cui bono? on June 20, 2006, 05:20:40 PM
http://www.law.howard.edu/ (http://www.law.howard.edu/)

 :D :D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: dividebyzero on June 20, 2006, 05:29:26 PM
Who the hell resurrected this thread?  ???
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: FossilJ on June 20, 2006, 05:30:28 PM
THOSE MOTHERFUCKIN SNAKES ON A PLANE!!!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: dividebyzero on June 20, 2006, 05:31:13 PM
THOSE MOTHERFUCKIN SNAKES ON A PLANE!!!


Has to be! :D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: FossilJ on June 20, 2006, 05:31:46 PM
THEY'LL GET YOU MOTHERFUCKIN DRUNK!!!!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: dividebyzero on June 20, 2006, 05:34:58 PM
THEY'LL GET YOU MOTHERFUCKIN DRUNK!!!!


Also try the new "What?!" brand cigarettes
"Say 'What?!', again!"  ;D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: notdunson on June 20, 2006, 06:16:12 PM
Who the hell resurrected this thread?  ???

Silly question considering that my post was two above your own.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: dividebyzero on June 20, 2006, 06:17:31 PM
Who the hell resurrected this thread?  ???

Silly question considering that my post was two above your own.

Oh jeez, now people want me to read the message headers, too?
@#!* it, I quit!  ;D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: cui bono? on June 21, 2006, 03:32:19 PM
This is by far the best hijacking I've seen in a while. Good work guys  ;)

yeah excellent job   ;) :D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on June 22, 2006, 03:46:10 PM
I want to go to a mostly White law school in a mostly White area also.  And dominate the hell outta them dumb rednecks! ;D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Freak on June 22, 2006, 03:48:44 PM
That's the attitude you need regardless of where you go.  ;)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: poochy95 on June 22, 2006, 03:50:24 PM
What I want most is a mostly female law school in a mostly warm area.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: cui bono? on June 22, 2006, 04:37:25 PM
What I want most is a mostly female law school in a mostly warm area.

 :D  u sound like blueb

I want to go to a mostly White law school in a mostly White area also.  And dominate the hell outta them dumb rednecks! ;D

def good attitude to have!  mind if i use it?  ;) :)

Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Miss P on June 22, 2006, 04:42:09 PM
I want to go to a mostly White law school in a mostly White area also.  And dominate the hell outta them dumb rednecks! ;D

Mo, you already have a mostly White law school.  And it ain't a mostly White area, but they sure do try to put a fortress up!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: mivida2k on June 23, 2006, 02:11:54 PM
I like being the only African-American in my class. :)
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: cui bono? on June 23, 2006, 02:14:56 PM
I like being the only African-American in my class. :)

u cant b serious
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: mivida2k on June 23, 2006, 04:29:33 PM
I like being the only African-American in my class. :)

u cant b serious


It's called sarcasm Dah-lin'
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: cui bono? on June 23, 2006, 04:31:30 PM
I like being the only African-American in my class. :)

u cant b serious


It's called sarcasm Dah-lin'

thought so but do u know how many ppl I know that ACTUALLY feel that way ???
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: mivida2k on June 23, 2006, 04:32:52 PM
I have learned to deal with being the only one or one of five.  So much so that I went to a country music concert with a co-worker and was the only Af-Am out of 6000 and I felt comfortable.   :-\
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: cyberrev on June 24, 2006, 05:20:29 PM
I have learned to deal with being the only one or one of five.  So much so that I went to a country music concert with a co-worker and was the only Af-Am out of 6000 and I felt comfortable.   :-\


gah, i hate country music.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: cui bono? on June 24, 2006, 08:03:41 PM
mivida2k: I love your avatar!!!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: thorc954 on July 07, 2006, 07:59:17 PM
I love country music.  Now, OP, I can sense what you mean with your question on this subject. I mean, no offense, but I would feel completely uncomfortable at Howard. Ive always been to mostly white schools throughout my life, yet the majority of my friends and many of these schools were the minorities. 

Now, I would like to go to a warm school with beautiful, intelligent, rich girls. Preferrably Asian or Italian that know how to cook.  Anyway, that may or may not be the case with the school I chose.

Now, the important thing to consider when making your decisions it the quality of education you will be recieving at the school you chose. As much crap as I am going to get for this, I think you should consider your scores and apply to schools ranked within that range by usnews( I know people hate it). Anyway, the education you get in grad school will determine your career.  Now, I applied to every school on the east coast that I thought I could get in and then numerous reaches. I applied to 20 in all. After you get into these schools, you can go look at the campuses. Still go with the higher ranked choice if at all possible.  Wherever you go you will have minorities in your school. The important thing to consider is that these minorities will be hard working, well to do, over achievers like the rest of your classmates. You will be surrounded by similiar people with similiar tastes. 

Just make sure the racial profile of your school isnt the reason behind chosing it. If you dont go to a good school, you will be working at a crappy job the rest of your life and will be living in a lower social class neighborhood which tends to be minority dominated.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: thorc954 on July 07, 2006, 08:03:40 PM
I went to a black meeting with one other white guy in LS (for the free pizza). It was really uncomfortable. I've been to the asian meetings several times and was [edited] comfortable. I have many asian & black friends, but I really wasn't expecting to be directly asked questions about the differences between whites & blacks. They wanted to know phrases that were unique to white culture. Neither of us could think of any but I suppose that was because we were on the spot when we'd planned to just observe.
I just couldn't believe that they'd ask us questions in front of ~30 blacks totally impromptu.

Anyway they are very much aware of racisim and I simply don't pay attention to it.


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By me, only white people say "Git er done" and "that aint no" and Im not even lying, they actually say that.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: thorc954 on July 08, 2006, 07:09:41 AM
By me, only white people say "Git er done" and "that aint no" and Im not even lying, they actually say that.


they only say that on tv

I live in VA, I swear to God my friends say that on a regular basis. I do occasionally as well, but then I catch m yself usually.  So umm... white people do say that.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: thorc954 on July 08, 2006, 07:10:16 AM
and my friends arent on tv
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: cui bono? on July 08, 2006, 02:37:49 PM
my friends have my permission to shoot me dead if 'git 'er done' ever leaves my lips

 :D :D  promise?   :D
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on July 08, 2006, 03:00:34 PM
LOL. I have also heard "git 'er done" in normal conversation with White folks. :-\
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: thorc954 on July 08, 2006, 06:42:00 PM
LOL. I have also heard "git 'er done" in normal conversation with White folks. :-\

lol, the sad thing is ive actually said it in normal conversation, yet im still going top 20 for law school... its convenient when your friend is going on a date or something and you are wishing him good luck, lol. idk. i love the south...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on July 08, 2006, 06:58:05 PM
LOL. I have also heard "git 'er done" in normal conversation with White folks. :-\

lol, the sad thing is ive actually said it in normal conversation, yet im still going top 20 for law school... its convenient when your friend is going on a date or something and you are wishing him good luck, lol. idk. i love the south...

LMAO! That's the context in which I heard it - and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. ROFL.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ->Soon on September 08, 2006, 02:49:37 PM
What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area

that is excatly what i DONT want!

which is a shame, cause the pacific NW has alot of appeal, but sooooooooooo white!!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Einstein on September 08, 2006, 03:08:53 PM
What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area

that is excatly what i DONT want!

which is a shame, cause the pacific NW has alot of appeal, but sooooooooooo white!!

What is so appealing about the pacific NW??
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: ->Soon on September 08, 2006, 03:12:18 PM
What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area

that is excatly what i DONT want!

which is a shame, cause the pacific NW has alot of appeal, but sooooooooooo white!!

What is so appealing about the pacific NW??

the scenery.  its beautiful.
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Diaspora Survivor on September 11, 2006, 08:05:09 AM
But you WANT the attention for being black, you call attention to yourselves in all white surroundings, black people are the ones perpetuating the whole problem.

lol

hilarious!
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: gettingoutofwilliamsburg on March 29, 2007, 04:12:35 PM
I couldn't help but locate the blatant irony in your position.  Your name, which I assume to be short for "black reign" or something to that effect, seems to be suggesting a simple reversal of any discrimination or oppression that you've convinced yourself exists.  For you, it would be completely acceptable if the black/white roles (or at least the roles you have assigned them) to be switched.  Therefore, you would not be saying the same thing if black people did in fact "reign" (whatever that means).

Does this photo of Jerry Rice, Rich Gannon, and Tim Brown suggest that there should be a "simple reversal of discrimination or oppression" ?

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1613.jpg)

you just served everyone... nice
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: dashrashi on March 30, 2007, 11:10:49 PM
I couldn't help but locate the blatant irony in your position.  Your name, which I assume to be short for "black reign" or something to that effect, seems to be suggesting a simple reversal of any discrimination or oppression that you've convinced yourself exists.  For you, it would be completely acceptable if the black/white roles (or at least the roles you have assigned them) to be switched.  Therefore, you would not be saying the same thing if black people did in fact "reign" (whatever that means).

Does this photo of Jerry Rice, Rich Gannon, and Tim Brown suggest that there should be a "simple reversal of discrimination or oppression" ?

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1613.jpg)

you just served everyone... nice

Well, not "just"...
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Chibundu on April 02, 2007, 01:46:18 AM
Yall are toooo funny!!! "Oh this racism is killing me inside" ---- Dave Chappelle
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: blackpowerman on May 15, 2007, 12:30:44 AM
christiana

i live in charleston and it is a tale of two cities if there ever was one.  downtown area is all rich whites living on the battery....but all poor blacks living on the east side and surrounding areas.  the school, while may be white, you will be surrounded in lots of charming, quaint poverty and will probably be mugged/raped/killed as i saw a dead body one afternoon jogging by america street. 
Title: Re: What I Want Is A Mostly White Law School In A Mostly White Area
Post by: Captain on May 29, 2007, 11:59:32 AM
Villanova.