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Title: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: HURLEY- L.S.D. on December 12, 2004, 04:20:43 PM
Ok, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this..

Every weekend or so I like to walk over to the local video store and rent a movie.  I don't live in a very affluent area, so there are usually at least two homeless people over there in front of the store, and there are always people in the parking lot selling things.

So, this past friday I went over there with my girl, and she was a couple steps in front of me.  This guy starts walking toward her and he says "Hey!  I want to ask you somethin'"

I immediately turn to the guy, he sees me, and I just frankly (and politely) tell him "NO, we are not interested."  He was a cleanly-dressed, african american guy in his 30's.

Then, the guy tells me "You think that just because I look like a homeless person means that I am asking your for money!" 

I said, "No, sir, it is just that whenever I come here there are always people out here approaching me for money or trying to sell me something." 

He says, "Whatever man, you just think that because I'm black I am automatically trying to sell you something.  You're making up all of this stuff up about homeless people out here."

At that point, a homeless guy (an old white man) comes up to us and asks us for money.  The man who had just finished berating me becomes visibly embarrassed and says, "Whatever man, I was just wondering how to get to the Main Street."  My girl and I immediately pointed him in the correct direction, but he just walked off.

I was really bothered by the fact that he thought I was a racist.  I mean, it didn't even register to me that he was an african american and therefore selling me something.  In fact, there are never any african americans out there asking for money.  The people are either latino or white (mostly).  If someone approaches me in that parking lot and doesn't immediately say "I need directions", but instead, "Hey!  I want to ask you something", then I'm going to register that they want money.

I never carry money over there anyway because I have a debit card with my picture on it and it is much easier to pay and show my ID that way.

Why did this guy think that I was a racist?  What if I were black and told him the same thing?  Just because I am white, am I automatically a racist because I refused to acknowledge him?  I'm just wondering how and why a person would think that way about me. 

Everyone faces rejection, but if someone told me when I was young that the reason I face rejection is because of the color of my skin the I wonder how I would look at life from that point on.  As I faced the same sort of rejection that others faced, but interpreted it differently as race-based rejection, then I think that I might begin to live a very angry and pessimistic life.  I began to think that common rejection being interpreted as racist can be a very dangerous perspective since it will inevitably lead to a perpetuation on the part of URMs that racism is still alive and well when in fact it could very well be dying away. 
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Garbled on December 12, 2004, 05:29:08 PM
Ok, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this..

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You are not a racist, you just don't like yourself or your gf to be bothered. Hey, i immediately interrupt phone telemarketers, say "NO", and hang up on them. If they happen to be black, does that make me racist? No way. I think your story has parallels to my telemarketing thing.

IMO, some <insert race>'s use their race as an excuse for what they see as mistreatment by others when it isn't that way at all. If they choose to perpetuate racism in this way then there isn't much you can do about it. If you try to say anything it will probably just make a bigger problem because they don't want to listen; just treat everybody the same regardless of color.

edit: i'm not saying that there isn't racism at all, just that it can be an easy excuse.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: DOWNY on December 12, 2004, 05:35:24 PM
You are the biggest racist the world has ever known.

HTH
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: HURLEY- L.S.D. on December 12, 2004, 05:39:27 PM

IMO, some <insert race>'s use their race as an excuse for what they see as mistreatment by others when it isn't that way at all. If they choose to perpetuate racism in this way then there isn't much you can do about it. If you try to say anything it will probably just make a bigger problem because they don't want to listen; just treat everybody the same regardless of color.


I agree, and you worded it SO perfectly.

When the guy first erupted about my thinking that he looked like the homeless people I was really confused because he was dressed in a nice, new pair of jeans, and very clean blue jacket, and he was wearing a hat from a local university.  He didn't look like a homeless person at all!  But then I realized that when he said, "You think that just because I look like these people..", that he was actually talking about the fact that he was an african american.  I mean, I was so incredibly taken back that it got me thinking about it for the entire night.

I actually feel bad for the guy because he is dealing with a normal part of life in a way that will leave him jaded and angry all the time.  As I said above, everyone faces some measure of rejection.  I recently read in "Law School Confidential" that out of the hundreds of internship and job applications that each law applicant will apply for, only 1% will come back with an affirmative response.  That is 99% rejection!  Now, what if I were taught from my youth that because I am 'X' race I will be discriminated against?  I would be inclined to assume that I had such a large margin of rejection because of my race! 

It would be a very unhealthy way to live because not only is it a skewed view of reality (the reality that everyone except for ivy-leaguers face a huge margin of rejection in this life), but it also further ingrains the roots of racism in our culture. 

In this context, I am beginning to understand the PR aspect of affirmative action.  I wonder if it is, in part, designed to lessen this reaction among URM communities.  I'm not sure, but it is just a thought. 

 
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: sweetkid on December 13, 2004, 06:34:12 AM
I totally agree with Downy.
I am a black indivdual myself an yes racism still exist and i do not think there is any way in which it will be eradicated, as indviduals still have a messed up view of what is just and what is not and how different cultures/race are just and not. No i do not fink you are racise in fact ur not, the guy who approached you was trying to use that simple concept of racism to preharps start up an argument which may later progress into an undesirable result. From what i have been seeing and hearing i truely fink that people are using racism as an excusese to relaiate to somthing which could be simply solved when they desire it to escalte into somthing bigger.
if there is one thing, i am satisfied with the way you dealt with the situation. simply top put it some people need help and need to stop using excusses which will preharps cause somthing big...they need to stop being president bush and Tony blair
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: SanchoPanzo on December 13, 2004, 10:32:47 PM
I totally agree with Downy.
I am a black indivdual myself an yes racism still exist and i do not think there is any way in which it will be eradicated, as indviduals still have a messed up view of what is just and what is not and how different cultures/race are just and not. No i do not fink you are racise in fact ur not, the guy who approached you was trying to use that simple concept of racism to preharps start up an argument which may later progress into an undesirable result. From what i have been seeing and hearing i truely fink that people are using racism as an excusese to relaiate to somthing which could be simply solved when they desire it to escalte into somthing bigger.
if there is one thing, i am satisfied with the way you dealt with the situation. simply top put it some people need help and need to stop using excusses which will preharps cause somthing big...they need to stop being president bush and Tony blair


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Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: SanchoPanzo on December 13, 2004, 10:39:03 PM

IMO, some <insert race>'s use their race as an excuse for what they see as mistreatment by others when it isn't that way at all. If they choose to perpetuate racism in this way then there isn't much you can do about it. If you try to say anything it will probably just make a bigger problem because they don't want to listen; just treat everybody the same regardless of color.

edit: i'm not saying that there isn't racism at all, just that it can be an easy excuse.


K, while I agree with your general idea to some degree I think your statement may be to broad. For one, I don't think you can draw the conclusion that that individual was using "their race as an excuse....". He could have just experienced a racist response from the last person he asked.

As for Hurley, I think you acted quite appropriately.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: the REAL desi on December 13, 2004, 10:58:54 PM
Ok, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this..

Every weekend or so I like to walk over to the local video store and rent a movie.  I don't live in a very affluent area, so there are usually at least two homeless people over there in front of the store, and there are always people in the parking lot selling things.

So, this past friday I went over there with my girl, and she was a couple steps in front of me.  This guy starts walking toward her and he says "Hey!  I want to ask you somethin'"

I immediately turn to the guy, he sees me, and I just frankly (and politely) tell him "NO, we are not interested."  He was a cleanly-dressed, african american guy in his 30's.

Then, the guy tells me "You think that just because I look like a homeless person means that I am asking your for money!" 

I said, "No, sir, it is just that whenever I come here there are always people out here approaching me for money or trying to sell me something." 

He says, "Whatever man, you just think that because I'm black I am automatically trying to sell you something.  You're making up all of this stuff up about homeless people out here."

At that point, a homeless guy (an old white man) comes up to us and asks us for money.  The man who had just finished berating me becomes visibly embarrassed and says, "Whatever man, I was just wondering how to get to the Main Street."  My girl and I immediately pointed him in the correct direction, but he just walked off.

I was really bothered by the fact that he thought I was a racist.  I mean, it didn't even register to me that he was an african american and therefore selling me something.  In fact, there are never any african americans out there asking for money.  The people are either latino or white (mostly).  If someone approaches me in that parking lot and doesn't immediately say "I need directions", but instead, "Hey!  I want to ask you something", then I'm going to register that they want money.

I never carry money over there anyway because I have a debit card with my picture on it and it is much easier to pay and show my ID that way.

Why did this guy think that I was a racist?  What if I were black and told him the same thing?  Just because I am white, am I automatically a racist because I refused to acknowledge him?  I'm just wondering how and why a person would think that way about me. 

Everyone faces rejection, but if someone told me when I was young that the reason I face rejection is because of the color of my skin the I wonder how I would look at life from that point on.  As I faced the same sort of rejection that others faced, but interpreted it differently as race-based rejection, then I think that I might begin to live a very angry and pessimistic life.  I began to think that common rejection being interpreted as racist can be a very dangerous perspective since it will inevitably lead to a perpetuation on the part of URMs that racism is still alive and well when in fact it could very well be dying away. 

i had a similar experience a year ago.  i was getting tutoring for o-chem in downtown gainesville.  this guy comes up to me on his bike, and before he can open his mouth, i tell him that 1) i don't have any cash to give him 2) i don't need my windows washed.  (he had the bucket of soap water on his handles).  He started cussing me out, calling me a racist, assuming that I thought he was a bum, etc.  (btw, i'm desi, of course).  Then I'm like, ok, what do you want?  He asks me FOR MONEY!  I'm like, didn't I just say that I only carry plastic.  He had the nerve to ask me to walk across the street to the gas station to buy him a sandwich.  I told him to @#!* off.  I mean, I was in a foul mood that night to begin with, but I was at most brusque, but by no means racist.  Every racial group (except white people) use their race as a tool at some point - hell, I bitched out a security guy at the airport who took extra time checking me.  I got a bit smart and I was like, yo i'm wearing these foam flip flops, wanna check these out too?  I was a total ass and insisted on putting them through the x-ray machine.  Anyway, digression.  In conclusion, no you were not racist.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: c00lbeans on December 13, 2004, 11:03:38 PM
Hurley, sucks something like that happened to you.
Sometimes people come from places so different and their views are so different than yours that
when misunderstanding or conflict occurs in a episode like that, it leaves you all perplexed and things unresolved.
it's the worst feeling ever.

But I think I can understand where he's coming from, or at least where I think he's coming from.
I'm from Houston, and I never really experienced anything that I can recall as discrimination or what have you.
I live in Katy area, where the majority of the popluation is white, and I have lots of friends who are also white, etc.

Then I came to Lubbock, TX to attend Texas Tech University.
The very first day I arrived in Lubbock, I was walking next to the University St. when a car drove by right next to me.
One of the guy actually came half way out of the car while they were driving and screamed "Chink!"

I was just standing there, stunned and mesmorized by the fading laughters from that car, and I suddenly felt very very alone and insecure.
I mean.... I don't think I ever thought about stuff like this... until at that moment.
It's all cool, because I know that there are some ignorants like that, and that probably will never change.

But my point is that people come from different places... and sometimes it might seem irrational for them to think that way,
I think that sometimes it's really hard for some people exposed to things like that to think more positively and healthy way.

But no, I definitely don't think that you are a racist :)
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: the REAL desi on December 13, 2004, 11:06:10 PM
the highlight of my undergraduate career was being called a "sandnigger" by a construction worker in the elevator at the reitz union.  i was so shocked that I started laughing.  the elevator was full of people with jaws that had dropped to the basement of the reitz
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: tlewis2 on December 13, 2004, 11:10:55 PM
Hurley,  It is good you reacted the way did and did not hold a grudge the way many persons would. Speaking as a person of color it is often felt that you are judged by the color of your skin (even at times when it is not intentional) That is one of the burdens of growing up in this society.
I agree with the statement above also, maybe he commonly receives comments like that and is fed up. I disagree that he was using his race as a "tool", he probably faced blatant racism before and was venting from that previous experiences. It is common for people to stereotype off of one experience. If someone calls you a racial slur, no matter what race- it is often that you believe everyone from that race is a racist and the same. Thats just life and how many people think.
  I do not believe you where showing prejudice from what you stated. Please dont take the young man's statement personal, it was most likely an external circumstance that triggered him to state what he said.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Garbled on December 13, 2004, 11:11:25 PM

IMO, some <insert race>'s use their race as an excuse for what they see as mistreatment by others when it isn't that way at all. If they choose to perpetuate racism in this way then there isn't much you can do about it. If you try to say anything it will probably just make a bigger problem because they don't want to listen; just treat everybody the same regardless of color.

edit: i'm not saying that there isn't racism at all, just that it can be an easy excuse.


K, while I agree with your general idea to some degree I think your statement may be to broad. For one, I don't think you can draw the conclusion that that individual was using "their race as an excuse....". He could have just experienced a racist response from the last person he asked.

As for Hurley, I think you acted quite appropriately.


You don't seem to understand my statement, but that's ok. My statement was meant to be general and broad, that was the whole point.

But I'm really not interested in arguing about it. If you disagree, that's fine. I've said all i care to say on this topic; the person that i was addressing seemed to understand what i said and that was my purpose.


Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: HURLEY- L.S.D. on December 13, 2004, 11:16:59 PM
the highlight of my undergraduate career was being called a "sandnigger" by a construction worker in the elevator at the reitz union.  i was so shocked that I started laughing.  the elevator was full of people with jaws that had dropped to the basement of the reitz


I've heard that term before, but I'm not sure what it means.  Is is a referance to someone of Arabian or Egyptian heritage?  The "sand" part makes me think of the desert. 

Thanks for the feedback everyone.  I still feel bad for that guy, but I've managed to conclude that whatever he was angry at had nothing to do with me. 


Here is another quick one...

The other day I was at the bank and there were these kids selling Pineapples in the parking lot.  They had these mega-huge knives out and were cutting pieces of the pineapple off for people to have a taste test.  I thought to myself, "Geez, it is interesting that those kids can stand out in front of a busy bank, walk up to people with sharp knives, and the people give them money."  Crazy..

I guess that every generation has a certain measure of innocence.  In the 50's it was the ability to leave your doors unlocked.  In the 60's it was promiscuous, unprotected sex.  Last decade it was bringing everything short of a gun with you on an airplane.  Today it is wielding a knive in a bank parking lot under the pretense of selling fruit.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: SanchoPanzo on December 14, 2004, 05:15:53 AM
You don't seem to understand my statement, but that's ok. My statement was meant to be general and broad, that was the whole point.

But I'm really not interested in arguing about it. If you disagree, that's fine. I've said all i care to say on this topic; the person that i was addressing seemed to understand what i said and that was my purpose.




Point taken, K.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: HBCU.EDU on December 14, 2004, 07:48:49 PM
-Every racial group (except white people) use their race as a tool at some point-

You don't think whites have used their race as a tool? What the @#!* planet are you from? Ever heard of a place called South Africa? Every heard of a guy called Nelson Mandella? Think he agrees with that? Every heard of Jim Crow? Oh, but I guess white people don't have anything to do witht that huh? you are a f-ing joke. 
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: HURLEY- L.S.D. on December 14, 2004, 11:16:17 PM
*sigh*   ::)

I hope that you never approach me in front of the video store!  :)

j/k


I think that he was referring to white people not using their race within the context of "today in metro America".  Race is not an advantageous card for whites to pull in those areas. 
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: the REAL desi on December 14, 2004, 11:25:51 PM
that IS what I meant... I mean, my next post was about being called a sandnigger in an elevator.  sorry I offended you, though.

Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: SanchoPanzo on December 15, 2004, 06:52:37 PM
Is it interesting/telling that white people "cannot" use their race in today's "metro america " because they used it in the past?

Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Dolcejn on December 15, 2004, 08:56:26 PM
Is it interesting/telling that white people "cannot" use their race in today's "metro america " because they used it in the past?



'Splain?  Just curious about what it tells (I'm not good with subtlety!).  Are you suggesting that maybe race will oneday be nobody's tool (to me the ideal situation) -- that this is the natural progression?


Hurley, it's amazing how hurtful those things can be.  You didn't mention being hurt, just that the experience stuck in your head.  But at least in my experience, when those things happen, you feel attacked, confused, disoriented.  It's like your world was rocked for a second, in an unpleasant way.  I'm sure the man who addressed you must have had some bad experiences in the past, and that his comments had NOTHING to do with you.  I know it felt personal, but if you had been anyone else in that situation the same thing probably would have happened.  Thinking about it will just make you feel bad for something you're not responsible for.  Keep your chin up :)
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: blk_reign on January 12, 2005, 09:39:18 AM
*sigh*   ::)

I hope that you never approach me in front of the video store!  :)

j/k


I think that he was referring to white people not using their race within the context of "today in metro America".  Race is not an advantageous card for whites to pull in those areas. 

Do you honestly think that we "pull a card"???
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: twarga on January 15, 2005, 05:10:12 PM
When I was in undergrad in DC, I worked at an entertainment law firm.  I had to bring lots of files to the FCC on M Street every day for stamping/filing.  One day, as I was on my way with a big ol' stack of files in my arms, a well-dressed black man spat in my face as he passed by me.  I dropped my files and just started crying right there on the sidewalk.  Was he racist?  A misogynist?  Just plain crazy?  Who knows?  What I do know is that this encounter bothered me much more than two more serious encounters I had with homeless men (a white homeless man kissed me on the Metro and chased me home, and a black homeless man followed me down 19th Street, grabbing my *ss and making disgusting remarks).  Go figure.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: DOWNY on January 15, 2005, 08:15:31 PM
When I was in undergrad in DC, I worked at an entertainment law firm.  I had to bring lots of files to the FCC on M Street every day for stamping/filing.  One day, as I was on my way with a big ol' stack of files in my arms, a well-dressed black man spat in my face as he passed by me.  I dropped my files and just started crying right there on the sidewalk.  Was he racist?  A misogynist?  Just plain crazy?  Who knows?  What I do know is that this encounter bothered me much more than two more serious encounters I had with homeless men (a white homeless man kissed me on the Metro and chased me home, and a black homeless man followed me down 19th Street, grabbing my *ss and making disgusting remarks).  Go figure.

That is ridiculous. Why did these people zero in on you?

If some @#!* spit in my face for no reason I would kick him in the balls as hard as possible before gouging out his eyes with my thumb.

Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: ndbisme on January 15, 2005, 08:22:57 PM
When I was in undergrad in DC, I worked at an entertainment law firm.  I had to bring lots of files to the FCC on M Street every day for stamping/filing.  One day, as I was on my way with a big ol' stack of files in my arms, a well-dressed black man spat in my face as he passed by me.  I dropped my files and just started crying right there on the sidewalk.  Was he racist?  A misogynist?  Just plain crazy?  Who knows?  What I do know is that this encounter bothered me much more than two more serious encounters I had with homeless men (a white homeless man kissed me on the Metro and chased me home, and a black homeless man followed me down 19th Street, grabbing my *ss and making disgusting remarks).  Go figure.

That is ridiculous. Why did these people zero in on you?

If some @#!* spit in my face for no reason I would kick him in the balls as hard as possible before gouging out his eyes with my thumb.



W...T...F?!  I would have rained down Judah punches on his face till my knuckles broke down on me or the security personel dragged me away from his corpse.  I can't believe you didn't do anything... Next time this happens, just slap him, at the bare minimum.  Or kick im in the nuts.  Judah doesn't take and has never taken *&^% from anyone.  I still can't comprehend this.  I don't care if he's black or whatever, I would have screwed him up regardless.  Judah's an equal opportunity fucker-upper (assaulter or whatever).
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: maricutie on January 16, 2005, 11:59:09 AM
When I was in undergrad in DC, I worked at an entertainment law firm.  I had to bring lots of files to the FCC on M Street every day for stamping/filing.  One day, as I was on my way with a big ol' stack of files in my arms, a well-dressed black man spat in my face as he passed by me.  I dropped my files and just started crying right there on the sidewalk.  Was he racist?  A misogynist?  Just plain crazy?  Who knows?  What I do know is that this encounter bothered me much more than two more serious encounters I had with homeless men (a white homeless man kissed me on the Metro and chased me home, and a black homeless man followed me down 19th Street, grabbing my *ss and making disgusting remarks).  Go figure.

wow ... I am so, so sorry that this happened to you.  :'(
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: twarga on January 16, 2005, 12:03:49 PM
Well, in my defense... since I am now a military mama and would kick anyone's *ss who came near me or my babies... I was only 19.  I had an armful of files.  The FCC closes their window at 5, and it was like 4:55 (made it to the FCC in tears).  As for the homeless dudes, I did run like h*ll.  I was fast, even then.   ;)  I'm pretty much over it now, but thinking about the spitting guy still rattles me.  He looked so normal.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: official2008 on January 16, 2005, 12:15:24 PM
Ok, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this..

Every weekend or so I like to walk over to the local video store and rent a movie.  I don't live in a very affluent area, so there are usually at least two homeless people over there in front of the store, and there are always people in the parking lot selling things.

So, this past friday I went over there with my girl, and she was a couple steps in front of me.  This guy starts walking toward her and he says "Hey!  I want to ask you somethin'"

I immediately turn to the guy, he sees me, and I just frankly (and politely) tell him "NO, we are not interested."  He was a cleanly-dressed, african american guy in his 30's.

Then, the guy tells me "You think that just because I look like a homeless person means that I am asking your for money!" 

I said, "No, sir, it is just that whenever I come here there are always people out here approaching me for money or trying to sell me something." 

He says, "Whatever man, you just think that because I'm black I am automatically trying to sell you something.  You're making up all of this stuff up about homeless people out here."

At that point, a homeless guy (an old white man) comes up to us and asks us for money.  The man who had just finished berating me becomes visibly embarrassed and says, "Whatever man, I was just wondering how to get to the Main Street."  My girl and I immediately pointed him in the correct direction, but he just walked off.

I was really bothered by the fact that he thought I was a racist.  I mean, it didn't even register to me that he was an african american and therefore selling me something.  In fact, there are never any african americans out there asking for money.  The people are either latino or white (mostly).  If someone approaches me in that parking lot and doesn't immediately say "I need directions", but instead, "Hey!  I want to ask you something", then I'm going to register that they want money.

I never carry money over there anyway because I have a debit card with my picture on it and it is much easier to pay and show my ID that way.

Why did this guy think that I was a racist?  What if I were black and told him the same thing?  Just because I am white, am I automatically a racist because I refused to acknowledge him?  I'm just wondering how and why a person would think that way about me. 

Everyone faces rejection, but if someone told me when I was young that the reason I face rejection is because of the color of my skin the I wonder how I would look at life from that point on.  As I faced the same sort of rejection that others faced, but interpreted it differently as race-based rejection, then I think that I might begin to live a very angry and pessimistic life.  I began to think that common rejection being interpreted as racist can be a very dangerous perspective since it will inevitably lead to a perpetuation on the part of URMs that racism is still alive and well when in fact it could very well be dying away. 


question: what did you do to the white, homeless guy who asked you for money? and if you were "not interested," why did you give directions? it seems like you just wanted to get your movie and leave without talking to anyone, right? so why give him directions in the end? did you feel guilty?



and as far as living a pessimistic life, believing that all rejection is race-based is not necessarily how it happens. i assume what you're alluding to is that black people's accusations that they are being discriminated against is unwarranted. but i would like to remind you of all of the statistical evidence that black are disproportionately rejected.
 
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: angelus on May 12, 2005, 11:17:37 AM
I've run into this too. The mexicans, and blacks up here call you racist if you don't give them money. The hippie wannabees, trust fund homeless, eco freaks call you Republican and privileged if you don't give them money. Yeah, I dress nicely but i'm still a paycheck from being homeless myself and will NOT give some hippie $1 so he can add it to his money for booze account.

Al
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Abevigoda on May 12, 2005, 11:45:29 AM
Why did you dig up this thread?

Also, the OP is clearly racist.  No question.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: angelus on May 12, 2005, 01:20:33 PM
Why did you dig up this thread?

because this is a discussion forum. Are we not to discuss? Or is it certain issues we're not to discuss?

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Also, the OP is clearly racist.  No question.

Based on evidence of this case your opinion is groundless. He did not react to the man's color but to the fact that a total stranger walked up to him. His reaction was clear proof of conditioning due to several other occurences in which a stranger approached him at that location only to ask for money. Thus his first reaction to any stranger approaching him would be backed up by the immediate thought of "this person wants money".

The man is not racist. Case closed. The Honorable Angelus Presiding.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Abevigoda on May 12, 2005, 02:03:36 PM
Geez, I don't think he's racist either, I was kidding.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: angelus on May 12, 2005, 02:56:44 PM
I didn't know you were kidding....but it did give me a chance to practice my legalese. ;D



Geez, I don't think he's racist either, I was kidding.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: HURLEY- L.S.D. on May 13, 2005, 02:17:46 AM
Perhaps you are just racist against me? ;)
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Stroopwafel on May 13, 2005, 02:47:30 AM
Which is more likely?

A group of Asian teen males in a car that drives by a white man, and they shout "Hey Cracker."

A group of white teen males in a car that drives by a minority, and they shout "epithet of the month."

I'm not saying that minorities cannot be racist. In fact some of the most openly racist people I have know were minorities talking about whites and other minority groups.

But most minorities face racist action from white people. Most of my caucasians friends have even told me that they don't really think about race that much until it comes up. But I can tell you that most minorities think about racial issues constantly.

So Hurley, no I do not think you were racist in that situation. You probably didn't even consider race. But I'll bet you the black guy, getting blown off by the white guy will think of race everytime.

Some wounds have cut too deep too often.
The safest thing is assume all people (white, black, whatever) harbor racist thoughts until continually proven otherwise.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: St. Shaun on May 13, 2005, 03:28:02 AM
All these people calling people racist reminds me of a friend I have who thinks he's black (technically, or legally I should say, he is, but he doesn't look like it and almost all his friends are white)... except he's kidding.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Dolcejn on May 13, 2005, 06:58:10 AM
Which is more likely?

A group of Asian teen males in a car that drives by a white man, and they shout "Hey Cracker."

A group of white teen males in a car that drives by a minority, and they shout "epithet of the month."

I'm not saying that minorities cannot be racist. In fact some of the most openly racist people I have know were minorities talking about whites and other minority groups.

But most minorities face racist action a from white people. Most of my caucasians friends have even told me that they don't really think about race that much until it comes up. Bu tIO can tell you that most minorities think about racial issues constantly.

So Hurley, no I do not think you were racist in that situation. You probably didn't even consider race. But I'll bet you the black guy, getting blown off by the white guy will think of race everytime.

Some wounds have cut too deep too often.
The safest thing is assume all people (white, black, whatever) harbor racist thoughts until continually proven otherwise.

This was a really interesting post.   I agree with much of it: my boyfriend and I argue sometimes about AA.  I am against it (although I would be in favor of AA for economically disadvantaged students), because I can never believe that discriminating solely on the basis of skin color, for whatever purpose, is good for individuals or good for society.  My boyfriend, who supports AA, argued once that he believes that many people who are against AA are simply racist.  This may sound very naive, but I had never given that possility serious consideration.  As you point out, I don't consider racism very often; the possibility that many of the people who agree with my viewpoint about AA could be agreeing with me for the very reasons I am so deadset against it (discrimination based on skin color)...startled and disturbed me.  I had thought that certainly a few people might be, but a lot?  I hope not.  

Still, I cannot agree with your last statement.  This could simply be because I am white, but I don't think so.  To approach other people expecting hatred and intolerance is to live a caged life.  I would instead say the very opposite: approach all people with openness.  Be kind to everyone you meet.  Expect that they are decent human beings, because that is the decent thing to do.    Just my opinion :)
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Stroopwafel on May 15, 2005, 01:34:56 AM
Dolcejn,

I think it is awesome that you disagree with the last part of my post. I wish I could disagree with it as well. It would be a better, more decent world if this were the case. We should be able to approach people with open arms, kindness, respect, dignity, and forgiveness. But how often in the real world do you see people living according to these virtues? How often do you hear about the horrid acts people do to each other? It is far too easy to believe the worst of people because we are given constant evidence to attest to that. The good in people is hidden and does not get discovered unless you look.

Wasn't it Julius Caesar "The evil that men do lives on after their deaths, whereas the good men do follows them to their grave." ...something like that.

We are going into law. I fully expect to hear more about the dark side of life. I fully expect to see the varied strengths and limitations of our system. A system that, in the past, allowed the organized, and completely legal discrimination, exploitation, and supression of minorities.

Modern American caucasians can easily say, "Well I didn't pass those laws. I didn't vote them into effect. Why am I considered guilty for the sins of my fathers? Why am I being tried for a past that I had nothing to do with, and do not support?"

I feel you. Trust me. It sucks both ways. But would you rather be the hammer or the nail?

Yes...Hatred, vegeance, ignorance, spite, envy, and the whole inventory of Pandora's Box makes life hard.

Yes, being suspicious of people makes for a life that is far less then what it could be.

When you find people that truly harbor no racist thoughts, that only look for the good in man, that treat others fairly without regard for race, ethnicity, sexual preference, religion, and socio-economic class guard them and cherish them.

The other kind, and their name is legion, we will encounter everyday for the rest of our lives. 
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Dolcejn on May 15, 2005, 03:44:47 PM
Stroopwafel, what a great post.  Forget law school and become a writer.  :)
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: _BP_ on May 15, 2005, 05:14:24 PM
Stroopwafel, yeah good post. 

Don't forget about lawschool though, we need as many people with your type of clarity as possible.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Intuition on May 15, 2005, 05:38:12 PM
Having an open mind is the most rewarding quality a person can have in life. The ability to see each situation, each person, each question in its own light and on its own merit will prove invaluable. Very few have the ability to do this, but unfortunately even fewer think it's the right way to go about life.

Most people think you should make up your mind and then stick to your decision because they inflate the value of the "principled life". Now, I'm all for principle. I'm all for values. What most people miss is the fact that general rules must be applied according to each situation appropriately. Otherwise, the principles lose all value.

So, refuse to let yourself fall into the trap of having your mind set in stone.

My .02--stepping down off the soapbox
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: _BP_ on May 16, 2005, 12:11:10 AM
Having an open mind is the most rewarding quality a person can have in life. The ability to see each situation, each person, each question in its own light and on its own merit will prove invaluable. Very few have the ability to do this, but unfortunately even fewer think it's the right way to go about life.

Most people think you should make up your mind and then stick to your decision because they inflate the value of the "principled life". Now, I'm all for principle. I'm all for values. What most people miss is the fact that general rules must be applied according to each situation appropriately. Otherwise, the principles lose all value.

So, refuse to let yourself fall into the trap of having your mind set in stone.

My .02--stepping down off the soapbox

Man, i could think of a few people that would benefit from your take on this, but that would probably mess up this otherwise interesting thread.  So I'll just say, "Good post!"
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: Stroopwafel on May 16, 2005, 04:42:46 AM
Principles are nice, action is better.
Unfortunately racism is often just a symptom of other issues. Ignorance, poverty, anger, envy, low self -esteem, and sadly humour at the expense of others.

Racism is easy. Just do nothing. Accept stereotypes as truth. Group people in easy categories, and when they do something you are not familiar with, do not approve of, do not understand then just say ,"How typical of those people."
And of course if you are a minority, keep telling yourself that you are indeed the victim, and that victims can't possibly be racists.

Fighting it is far too difficult and involved for most people. It is not as simple as refusing it.
There has to be thought, action, and patience. In my experience all of us are simply too shallow, self involved, materialistic, and completely accept the popular media's interpretation of what is important.

Pick a race card, any race card...

How mixed is any circle of friends at any given moment? How diverse is your workplace, school, neighborhood? Does it match the percentage of the US population?

I'll take a wild guess and say no. And I'll go further out on a limb and say that I'll bet the people in that neighborhood, workplace, school, and circle of friends like it just fine.

Title: SPEAKING OF RACISM
Post by: goldenchild on May 18, 2005, 05:26:20 PM
check this out, it's a good read:

http://www.intrepidmedia.com/column.asp?id=2144
Title: Re: SPEAKING OF RACISM
Post by: angelus on May 18, 2005, 05:30:24 PM
check this out, it's a good read:

http://www.intrepidmedia.com/column.asp?id=2144

Well written, creative and to the point.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: PWN3D on May 20, 2005, 06:11:13 PM
-Every racial group (except white people) use their race as a tool at some point-

You don't think whites have used their race as a tool? What the #@!* planet are you from? Ever heard of a place called South Africa? Every heard of a guy called Nelson Mandella? Think he agrees with that? Every heard of Jim Crow? Oh, but I guess white people don't have anything to do witht that huh? you are a f-ing joke. 

You my friend are an imbecile.  Whites do not need to play any card.  We succeed in life because we work hard and strive to better ourselves rather than waiting for a handout.  If we do not succeed we try again rather than blaming every ethnic group within a 25 mile radius.  Get overself.  Slavery ended many years ago.  There is no excuse.

PWN3D
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: _BP_ on May 20, 2005, 06:25:27 PM
-Every racial group (except white people) use their race as a tool at some point-

You don't think whites have used their race as a tool? What the #@!* planet are you from? Ever heard of a place called South Africa? Every heard of a guy called Nelson Mandella? Think he agrees with that? Every heard of Jim Crow? Oh, but I guess white people don't have anything to do witht that huh? you are a f-ing joke. 

You my friend are an imbecile.  Whites do not need to play any card.  We succeed in life because we work hard and strive to better ourselves rather than waiting for a handout.  If we do not succeed we try again rather than blaming every ethnic group within a 25 mile radius.  Get overself.  Slavery ended many years ago.  There is no excuse.

PWN3D

welcome "newbie"!
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: _____ on May 20, 2005, 06:48:33 PM
Two things:
(1) I swear I'm singled out at the airport just because they can't decide if I'm hispanic or muslim--once I went to this event with half Egyptians and half Americans, and nobody knew how to talk to me.  The Egyptians would try to speak Arabic to me, and the Americans just kinda looked at me until I would start talking to them in English... On the whole, it was a fairly uncomfortable thing...

Meanwhile (perhaps as a result of looking either muslim or latina, perhaps not), I get screened at the airport a lot.  I don't really care because I'm not doing anything wrong (though I did think they might catch on when I was trying to not declare a rug I bought in Morocco--where they also spoke to me in Arabic, by the way.  I quickly learned how to say, "I don't speak Arabic" in Arabic, which mainly served to surprize them and spur them to talk more, to which I always repeated "I don't speak Arabic..." and shook my head until they got it)

(2) I used to work at a bank, and one day a black man named John Smith (or something equally common and "non-ethnic" or whatever) came in and was upset because the bank had not approved his loan.  He said, "I have excellent credit!  Is this because I'm black?"

And I said, "Sir, I can promise you that it is not.  I can understand how it can feel that way sometimes.  It happens to me too--When I go through the airports, I get stopped all the time...So you get to thinking, this really can't be random, because it's always me.  They're always stopping me, always swiping my bags for bomb material... In fact, once I was going through customs and an agent said to me, in Spanish, "Where are you coming from?' and I just kind of looked at him and said, "Huh?"  And he said, "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were latina--come right this way..." and preceeded to search my bags...

"So I understand, I understand how it can feel that way sometimes, but the loan processing department is in Southern California, 500 miles away, and no one over there knows what you look like because they've never met you... So I understand, but I can promise you, this is not that. If you want, I can get the manager for you and she can explain to you what happened..."  At which point he relaxed visibly...

The moral of the story: sometimes things are based on outward perception, and sometimes they're not... I think we just have to do our best to give people the benefit of the doubt and do our best to let it just roll off, otherwise we'll just spend way too much of our lives being angry...
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: freddych on June 13, 2005, 09:39:56 AM
Just because you dont think about being a racist before you are a racist doesnt mean you aren't one. We all know we have a unconcious tendency to use racial stereotypes to judge people, and that's what happened right there. If a white dude came up to you, the conversation wouldn't have went so sour so quickly. You may not realise it, but deep down, if you've been living in the US, you are a racist.

I'm not limiting this to white ppl, it pretty much applies to everyone: white, black, yellow, brown, clear, blue...

its just the sad fact of our society, yet its unavoidable.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: freddych on June 13, 2005, 09:41:32 AM

You my friend are an imbecile.  Whites do not need to play any card.  We succeed in life because we work hard and strive to better ourselves rather than waiting for a handout.  If we do not succeed we try again rather than blaming every ethnic group within a 25 mile radius.  Get overself.  Slavery ended many years ago.  There is no excuse.

PWN3D


Damn, so much racism in one post.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: 180 on June 13, 2005, 09:58:54 AM
I live in a relatively affluent suburb of NYC.  There is a black part of town, they call it "da hood".  White folks aren't welcome  there.  I've been jumped for walking through the wrong street, they've been jumped for coming down my block.  De facto segregation is sad. 
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: _BP_ on June 13, 2005, 10:22:56 AM
I live in a relatively affluent suburb of NYC.  There is a black part of town, they call it "da hood".  White folks aren't welcome  there.  I've been jumped for walking through the wrong street, they've been jumped for coming down my block.  De facto segregation is sad. 

Haha, I know this isn't funny, but this just reminded me of the scene in "Bronx Tale".
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: 180 on June 13, 2005, 11:08:59 AM
I live in a relatively affluent suburb of NYC.  There is a black part of town, they call it "da hood".  White folks aren't welcome  there.  I've been jumped for walking through the wrong street, they've been jumped for coming down my block.  De facto segregation is sad. 

Haha, I know this isn't funny, but this just reminded me of the scene in "Bronx Tale".

I love that movie.  It is like that here.  85% italian.  lots of racism
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: _BP_ on June 13, 2005, 12:48:08 PM
I live in a relatively affluent suburb of NYC.  There is a black part of town, they call it "da hood".  White folks aren't welcome  there.  I've been jumped for walking through the wrong street, they've been jumped for coming down my block.  De facto segregation is sad. 

Haha, I know this isn't funny, but this just reminded me of the scene in "Bronx Tale".

I love that movie.  It is like that here.  85% italian.  lots of racism


I love that movie too.  It's crazy that the movie was set in a period so long ago, but the same things are happening still...  :-\
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: ImVinny! on July 11, 2005, 09:02:12 AM
No, you are not racist.
Seriously, I hate you because of YOU, not because your skin, can't anybody unerstand this?
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: BuckFush on September 07, 2005, 01:00:40 AM
Ok, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this..

Every weekend or so I like to walk over to the local video store and rent a movie.  I don't live in a very affluent area, so there are usually at least two homeless people over there in front of the store, and there are always people in the parking lot selling things.

So, this past friday I went over there with my girl, and she was a couple steps in front of me.  This guy starts walking toward her and he says "Hey!  I want to ask you somethin'"

I immediately turn to the guy, he sees me, and I just frankly (and politely) tell him "NO, we are not interested."  He was a cleanly-dressed, african american guy in his 30's.

Then, the guy tells me "You think that just because I look like a homeless person means that I am asking your for money!" 

I said, "No, sir, it is just that whenever I come here there are always people out here approaching me for money or trying to sell me something." 

He says, "Whatever man, you just think that because I'm black I am automatically trying to sell you something.  You're making up all of this stuff up about homeless people out here."

At that point, a homeless guy (an old white man) comes up to us and asks us for money.  The man who had just finished berating me becomes visibly embarrassed and says, "Whatever man, I was just wondering how to get to the Main Street."  My girl and I immediately pointed him in the correct direction, but he just walked off.

I was really bothered by the fact that he thought I was a racist.  I mean, it didn't even register to me that he was an african american and therefore selling me something.  In fact, there are never any african americans out there asking for money.  The people are either latino or white (mostly).  If someone approaches me in that parking lot and doesn't immediately say "I need directions", but instead, "Hey!  I want to ask you something", then I'm going to register that they want money.

I never carry money over there anyway because I have a debit card with my picture on it and it is much easier to pay and show my ID that way.

Why did this guy think that I was a racist?  What if I were black and told him the same thing?  Just because I am white, am I automatically a racist because I refused to acknowledge him?  I'm just wondering how and why a person would think that way about me. 

Everyone faces rejection, but if someone told me when I was young that the reason I face rejection is because of the color of my skin the I wonder how I would look at life from that point on.  As I faced the same sort of rejection that others faced, but interpreted it differently as race-based rejection, then I think that I might begin to live a very angry and pessimistic life.  I began to think that common rejection being interpreted as racist can be a very dangerous perspective since it will inevitably lead to a perpetuation on the part of URMs that racism is still alive and well when in fact it could very well be dying away. 

You are a racist because you said "No!" rather than shutting your mouth and waiting until this well-dressed man asked his question.  You did assume that he was going to ask for money.  You subconsciously decided that this well dress man was about to ask you for money because he was black.  If he had been a well dress white man, you would not have rushed to judgment.  You're a racist...go get help.

Black people are experts in reading people and determining who is a racist and who isn't.  They've had a lot of practice each day of their lives for generations.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on September 07, 2005, 05:04:18 PM
Ok, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this..

Every weekend or so I like to walk over to the local video store and rent a movie.  I don't live in a very affluent area, so there are usually at least two homeless people over there in front of the store, and there are always people in the parking lot selling things.

So, this past friday I went over there with my girl, and she was a couple steps in front of me.  This guy starts walking toward her and he says "Hey!  I want to ask you somethin'"

I immediately turn to the guy, he sees me, and I just frankly (and politely) tell him "NO, we are not interested."  He was a cleanly-dressed, african american guy in his 30's.

Then, the guy tells me "You think that just because I look like a homeless person means that I am asking your for money!" 

I said, "No, sir, it is just that whenever I come here there are always people out here approaching me for money or trying to sell me something." 

He says, "Whatever man, you just think that because I'm black I am automatically trying to sell you something.  You're making up all of this stuff up about homeless people out here."

At that point, a homeless guy (an old white man) comes up to us and asks us for money.  The man who had just finished berating me becomes visibly embarrassed and says, "Whatever man, I was just wondering how to get to the Main Street."  My girl and I immediately pointed him in the correct direction, but he just walked off.

I was really bothered by the fact that he thought I was a racist.  I mean, it didn't even register to me that he was an african american and therefore selling me something.  In fact, there are never any african americans out there asking for money.  The people are either latino or white (mostly).  If someone approaches me in that parking lot and doesn't immediately say "I need directions", but instead, "Hey!  I want to ask you something", then I'm going to register that they want money.

I never carry money over there anyway because I have a debit card with my picture on it and it is much easier to pay and show my ID that way.

Why did this guy think that I was a racist?  What if I were black and told him the same thing?  Just because I am white, am I automatically a racist because I refused to acknowledge him?  I'm just wondering how and why a person would think that way about me. 

Everyone faces rejection, but if someone told me when I was young that the reason I face rejection is because of the color of my skin the I wonder how I would look at life from that point on.  As I faced the same sort of rejection that others faced, but interpreted it differently as race-based rejection, then I think that I might begin to live a very angry and pessimistic life.  I began to think that common rejection being interpreted as racist can be a very dangerous perspective since it will inevitably lead to a perpetuation on the part of URMs that racism is still alive and well when in fact it could very well be dying away. 

You are a racist because you said "No!" rather than shutting your mouth and waiting until this well-dressed man asked his question.  You did assume that he was going to ask for money.  You subconsciously decided that this well dress man was about to ask you for money because he was black.  If he had been a well dress white man, you would not have rushed to judgment.  You're a racist...go get help.

Black people are experts in reading people and determining who is a racist and who isn't.  They've had a lot of practice each day of their lives for generations.

Well wait just a second, man.  The subconscious is a very complicated thing, for all we know he assumed that he'd be hit up for money because he associates that area with beggars.  Which makes just as much sense as him doing so because the fellow was black, if not more sense.  The fact that racism is a serious accusation in this day and age is a good thing - but I think we should be careful where we use it, lest we are struck with the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf' syndrome and real accounts of racism start to be dismissed as continued 'racistphobia', if that made up word makes any sense.
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: ElizaB on September 07, 2005, 05:31:06 PM
Ok, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this..

Every weekend or so I like to walk over to the local video store and rent a movie.  I don't live in a very affluent area, so there are usually at least two homeless people over there in front of the store, and there are always people in the parking lot selling things.

So, this past friday I went over there with my girl, and she was a couple steps in front of me.  This guy starts walking toward her and he says "Hey!  I want to ask you somethin'"

I immediately turn to the guy, he sees me, and I just frankly (and politely) tell him "NO, we are not interested."  He was a cleanly-dressed, african american guy in his 30's.

Then, the guy tells me "You think that just because I look like a homeless person means that I am asking your for money!" 

I said, "No, sir, it is just that whenever I come here there are always people out here approaching me for money or trying to sell me something." 

He says, "Whatever man, you just think that because I'm black I am automatically trying to sell you something.  You're making up all of this stuff up about homeless people out here."

At that point, a homeless guy (an old white man) comes up to us and asks us for money.  The man who had just finished berating me becomes visibly embarrassed and says, "Whatever man, I was just wondering how to get to the Main Street."  My girl and I immediately pointed him in the correct direction, but he just walked off.

I was really bothered by the fact that he thought I was a racist.  I mean, it didn't even register to me that he was an african american and therefore selling me something.  In fact, there are never any african americans out there asking for money.  The people are either latino or white (mostly).  If someone approaches me in that parking lot and doesn't immediately say "I need directions", but instead, "Hey!  I want to ask you something", then I'm going to register that they want money.

I never carry money over there anyway because I have a debit card with my picture on it and it is much easier to pay and show my ID that way.

Why did this guy think that I was a racist?  What if I were black and told him the same thing?  Just because I am white, am I automatically a racist because I refused to acknowledge him?  I'm just wondering how and why a person would think that way about me. 

Everyone faces rejection, but if someone told me when I was young that the reason I face rejection is because of the color of my skin the I wonder how I would look at life from that point on.  As I faced the same sort of rejection that others faced, but interpreted it differently as race-based rejection, then I think that I might begin to live a very angry and pessimistic life.  I began to think that common rejection being interpreted as racist can be a very dangerous perspective since it will inevitably lead to a perpetuation on the part of URMs that racism is still alive and well when in fact it could very well be dying away. 

You are a racist because you said "No!" rather than shutting your mouth and waiting until this well-dressed man asked his question.  You did assume that he was going to ask for money.  You subconsciously decided that this well dress man was about to ask you for money because he was black.  If he had been a well dress white man, you would not have rushed to judgment.  You're a racist...go get help.

Black people are experts in reading people and determining who is a racist and who isn't.  They've had a lot of practice each day of their lives for generations.

Okay, well let me tell you my story and you tell me who is racist in this instance. 

My fiance and I were driving to the mailbox the other day when a car started following us like crazy and honking.  Apparently, my SO had pulled out in front of the car on accident (we were in a neighborhood so the car should not have been going very fast anyway).  He had not realized that a car was coming because a bunch of trees had blocked his view.  So the car follows us to the mailbox (we have community mailboxes) honking the whole way.  I get out of the car to go get the mail, thinking that the crazed motorist will continue on his/her way after having blown off a little steam.  But no, the crazed motorist, a black woman, gets out of the car and starts screaming at me as I am walking to the mailbox: "You stupid little honky female dog!  Are you high??? DO you always pull out in front of people?"  I ignore her (and I say NOTHING) and she preceeds to get in my face and tell me that she is going to bash my face in and kill me.  That is right KILL me! And then she realeases another tirade of racist comments about white people.  By this time, my fiance gets out of the car and says, "Maam, I am very sorry that I pulled out in front of you, but please don't yell at her, yell at me. I was the one driving. She had nothing to do with it."  Then the lady threatens to kill him and unleashes another tirade of racist language.  Then she goes and gets back in her car and rams into the back of my car!!!  By this time, my fiance and I are scared because NOTHING like this has ever happened to us before.  SO we go get in our car to drive off and the lady continues to follow us home.  We were scared to go home (for fear that she would know where we live and might retalliate) so we parked at a nearby fire station and called the cops. 

So who is the racist here?  Did we somehow "sense" that a black woman was speeding down our street and decide to pull out in front of her because we hate black people?  I think not!  Through out the entire process it never even occured to me that she was black until she started calling me a honky and a cracker. Even after this horrible situation I would never blame her race for her actions.  I just think she was crazy.  But yet the first thing out of her mouth were racist comments!
Title: Re: He thought I was a racist!
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on September 07, 2005, 07:06:55 PM
Ok, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this..

Every weekend or so I like to walk over to the local video store and rent a movie.  I don't live in a very affluent area, so there are usually at least two homeless people over there in front of the store, and there are always people in the parking lot selling things.

So, this past friday I went over there with my girl, and she was a couple steps in front of me.  This guy starts walking toward her and he says "Hey!  I want to ask you somethin'"

I immediately turn to the guy, he sees me, and I just frankly (and politely) tell him "NO, we are not interested."  He was a cleanly-dressed, african american guy in his 30's.

Then, the guy tells me "You think that just because I look like a homeless person means that I am asking your for money!" 

I said, "No, sir, it is just that whenever I come here there are always people out here approaching me for money or trying to sell me something." 

He says, "Whatever man, you just think that because I'm black I am automatically trying to sell you something.  You're making up all of this stuff up about homeless people out here."

At that point, a homeless guy (an old white man) comes up to us and asks us for money.  The man who had just finished berating me becomes visibly embarrassed and says, "Whatever man, I was just wondering how to get to the Main Street."  My girl and I immediately pointed him in the correct direction, but he just walked off.

I was really bothered by the fact that he thought I was a racist.  I mean, it didn't even register to me that he was an african american and therefore selling me something.  In fact, there are never any african americans out there asking for money.  The people are either latino or white (mostly).  If someone approaches me in that parking lot and doesn't immediately say "I need directions", but instead, "Hey!  I want to ask you something", then I'm going to register that they want money.

I never carry money over there anyway because I have a debit card with my picture on it and it is much easier to pay and show my ID that way.

Why did this guy think that I was a racist?  What if I were black and told him the same thing?  Just because I am white, am I automatically a racist because I refused to acknowledge him?  I'm just wondering how and why a person would think that way about me. 

Everyone faces rejection, but if someone told me when I was young that the reason I face rejection is because of the color of my skin the I wonder how I would look at life from that point on.  As I faced the same sort of rejection that others faced, but interpreted it differently as race-based rejection, then I think that I might begin to live a very angry and pessimistic life.  I began to think that common rejection being interpreted as racist can be a very dangerous perspective since it will inevitably lead to a perpetuation on the part of URMs that racism is still alive and well when in fact it could very well be dying away. 

You are a racist because you said "No!" rather than shutting your mouth and waiting until this well-dressed man asked his question.  You did assume that he was going to ask for money.  You subconsciously decided that this well dress man was about to ask you for money because he was black.  If he had been a well dress white man, you would not have rushed to judgment.  You're a racist...go get help.

Black people are experts in reading people and determining who is a racist and who isn't.  They've had a lot of practice each day of their lives for generations.

Okay, well let me tell you my story and you tell me who is racist in this instance. 

My fiance and I were driving to the mailbox the other day when a car started following us like crazy and honking.  Apparently, my SO had pulled out in front of the car on accident (we were in a neighborhood so the car should not have been going very fast anyway).  He had not realized that a car was coming because a bunch of trees had blocked his view.  So the car follows us to the mailbox (we have community mailboxes) honking the whole way.  I get out of the car to go get the mail, thinking that the crazed motorist will continue on his/her way after having blown off a little steam.  But no, the crazed motorist, a black woman, gets out of the car and starts screaming at me as I am walking to the mailbox: "You stupid little honky female dog!  Are you high??? DO you always pull out in front of people?"  I ignore her (and I say NOTHING) and she preceeds to get in my face and tell me that she is going to bash my face in and kill me.  That is right KILL me! And then she realeases another tirade of racist comments about white people.  By this time, my fiance gets out of the car and says, "Maam, I am very sorry that I pulled out in front of you, but please don't yell at her, yell at me. I was the one driving. She had nothing to do with it."  Then the lady threatens to kill him and unleashes another tirade of racist language.  Then she goes and gets back in her car and rams into the back of my car!!!  By this time, my fiance and I are scared because NOTHING like this has ever happened to us before.  SO we go get in our car to drive off and the lady continues to follow us home.  We were scared to go home (for fear that she would know where we live and might retalliate) so we parked at a nearby fire station and called the cops. 

So who is the racist here?  Did we somehow "sense" that a black woman was speeding down our street and decide to pull out in front of her because we hate black people?  I think not!  Through out the entire process it never even occured to me that she was black until she started calling me a honky and a cracker. Even after this horrible situation I would never blame her race for her actions.  I just think she was crazy.  But yet the first thing out of her mouth were racist comments!

Obviously the one saying racist things was the racist.  I wonder if there are people who'd say otherwise...I guess I'll wait and watch.