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Title: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: !@#$% on November 24, 2004, 01:24:16 PM
OK, so I sent an email to GW to check if my app is complete, and here is what they wrote back:


From: JD Admissions <jdadmit@law.gwu.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:27:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Application Status
To: KGD

We have received application and LSAT scores.

George Washington University Law School
Office of JD Admissions Staff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: KGD
Reply-To: KGD
Date:  Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:24:54 -0500

>Hello-
>
>I transmitted my J.D. application through LSACD on the web to
>George Washington University Law School on 10/02/2004.  The paper copy
>was sent 10/04/2004.  I just wanted to ensure that you have received
>all the materials
>necessary for considering my file complete.  Please let me know if you
>require anything further.
>
>Thanks,
>
>KGD
>LSAC Applicant ID: L.....
>DOB: .....
>
>Home: .....
>Mobile .....


Could they be any less helpful?
Title: Re: WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: buster on November 24, 2004, 01:25:50 PM
OMG that's horrendous...sorry.  :'(
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: !@#$% on November 24, 2004, 01:29:27 PM
I've modified my rankings:

1. Virginia
2 - 8. The other 7 places I applied
9. GW
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: buster on November 24, 2004, 01:30:11 PM
lol

I've modified my rankings:

1. Virginia
2 - 8. The other 7 places I applied
9. GW
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: Hocine on November 24, 2004, 01:49:09 PM
Hey how come you sent both LSACD on the web and a paper copy?
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: !@#$% on November 24, 2004, 02:32:00 PM
Oops, no I meant that my application was transmitted on 10/02, and my LSACD report was sent on 10/04. 
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: Hocine on November 24, 2004, 02:43:23 PM
OIC

I got scared that maybe I should be sending paper copies too! haha

Well I hope things work out well for you! :)
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: !@#$% on November 24, 2004, 02:56:27 PM
Thanks.  I'm not worried at all, I'm just really annoyed because this came across to me as a bit rude.  For the chunk of my money I sent them for the privilege of having my application read and added to their stats one way or the other, the least they could do is construct one proper sentence when responding.  Even a simple but infinitely more helpful "yes" or "no" would have sufficed.

I suppose I haven't had anywhere to direct my wrath lately, so GW gets the honors.
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: TDPookie1 on November 24, 2004, 05:23:43 PM
eek, sorry kgd!  sounds like they have your report though, since that's where the LSAT score is.  still not a helpful answer  :-\
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: thechoson on November 24, 2004, 08:01:44 PM
ooo kgd reveals herself!  No longer wonderwoman, eh?

Forget GW KGD, we aer going to VANDY!!!
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: sarona on November 30, 2004, 04:34:50 PM
well from where i sit, that means complete.

gw doesn't require letters of recommendation, so as long as they have your app and your lsat scores, that's all they need. i received my "your file is complete" postcard within days after my lsdas report was sent, even though my letters weren't all in, because, like i said, they don't require them.

they get 11,000+ applications - i think they have a right to be concise! :)
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: !@#$% on November 30, 2004, 07:01:56 PM
well from where i sit, that means complete.

gw doesn't require letters of recommendation, so as long as they have your app and your lsat scores, that's all they need. i received my "your file is complete" postcard within days after my lsdas report was sent, even though my letters weren't all in, because, like i said, they don't require them.

they get 11,000+ applications - i think they have a right to be concise! :)

Um, app form and lsat score do not a complete GW application make.  What about fee, LSDAS report, transcripts, resume, personal statement, etc?

And so what if they get 11,000+ applicants? GULC gets 12,000+ and they sent me a detailed email when my app was complete there, an online status check, and a very nice decision letter within 6 weeks.  I'd say the same $70 app fee went a lot further at GULC than GW.

As for being concise, a simple "Yes" would have sufficed and been infinitely more helpful (as I stated in my OP).
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: Zytos on November 30, 2004, 08:37:07 PM
well from where i sit, that means complete.

gw doesn't require letters of recommendation, so as long as they have your app and your lsat scores, that's all they need. i received my "your file is complete" postcard within days after my lsdas report was sent, even though my letters weren't all in, because, like i said, they don't require them.

they get 11,000+ applications - i think they have a right to be concise! :)

Um, app form and lsat score do not a complete GW application make.  What about fee, LSDAS report, transcripts, resume, personal statement, etc?

And so what if they get 11,000+ applicants? GULC gets 12,000+ and they sent me a detailed email when my app was complete there, an online status check, and a very nice decision letter within 6 weeks.  I'd say the same $70 app fee went a lot further at GULC than GW.

As for being concise, a simple "Yes" would have sufficed and been infinitely more helpful (as I stated in my OP).

Um...
Fee -- I didn't apply to GW, but if you paid by credit card... I think it's safe to assume they have it. 
LSDAS Report -- Um, if they have your score... do they not have your LSDAS report??
Transcript -- Am I wrong in that LSAC does not send your LSDAS report until they do have your transcripts?  So, if they have your score, this means they have your LSDAS report, and this means they have your transcript.
Resume, Personal Statement -- Um, if you used LSACD, you attach your resume and personal statement.  And, if they have your application, I think it's safe to assume they have these two other documents.

I don't think these assumptions require any leap of faith on your part.
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: sarona on November 30, 2004, 08:38:23 PM
Um, app form and lsat score do not a complete GW application make.  What about fee, LSDAS report, transcripts, resume, personal statement, etc?

And so what if they get 11,000+ applicants? GULC gets 12,000+ and they sent me a detailed email when my app was complete there, an online status check, and a very nice decision letter within 6 weeks.  I'd say the same $70 app fee went a lot further at GULC than GW.

As for being concise, a simple "Yes" would have sufficed and been infinitely more helpful (as I stated in my OP).

if they got your app, they got your check and your personal statement and your resume which you sent with it, right? if they got your lsat scores they got your report from lsdas and your transcripts, right? so that's it! :) i don't think you need to worry :)

i guess i'm just not easily offended - they're really very adamant in their application about how if you want to know about your file's completion, you send in the postcards to let you know. i think that's probably why they're not very sweet about answering emails.
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: Gummo on November 30, 2004, 09:50:21 PM
i guess i'm just not easily offended - they're really very adamant in their application about how if you want to know about your file's completion, you send in the postcards to let you know. i think that's probably why they're not very sweet about answering emails.

Postcards aren't always the best option.  This may not be true in KGD's case, but what if you're located in a place that is not very accessible to mail?  I didn't send any postcards with my apps because it could take a month for them to get to me.  Email is a quick way to communicate and it's also great because you can track responses a lot better.

Also, since you're encouraged to apply online, it certainly doesn't make sense to rely on postcards as the ONLY mode of completion info.  In this technological age, they should quickly provide info via email.

And seriously, how long does it take to type a few extra words (i.e. "Hello", "Thank you", "application fee", "LSDAS report") to make a message polite and precise?  You would think that at a prestigious law school, of all places, they would recognize the value of detail.

I know it's good to be mellow, but you can be laid-back and still realize their response was not as helpful as it should have been.

Yeah, I think applying online killed the postcard idea.  It sucks, too, because schools like UF claim to require that you send the status update postcards, but if you don't have a hard copy app or viewbook, how would you even have them?
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: TDPookie1 on November 30, 2004, 11:53:25 PM
maybe you're talking about different postcards, but for schools that wanted deans certs or prefered school-specific LORs, i put self-address postcards in the envelopes for them to send back to me.  i didn't use it to see if i was complete, just to make sure all my stuff got there.  but i still waited to see that i heard from the school that i was complete, make sure all the materials made it from the inbox to my actual file.  so i wouldn't rely solely on postcards, but they are very useful.
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: sarona on December 01, 2004, 04:53:43 AM
i dunno what else to say - except i'm sorry they weren't as personable as some other schools for you guys!  i'm just pretty sure everything is ok :)

this email just seems like a form email that draws from a database of variables and inserts them into an email.. like they type in your social security number and it fills in the blanks like "We have received <form> and <form>." i could be wrong, but that's how it sounds to me. but it could be a heads up if you're looking for a more personable school maybe?
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: !@#$% on December 01, 2004, 05:51:41 AM
if they got your app, they got your check and your personal statement and your resume which you sent with it, right? if they got your lsat scores they got your report from lsdas and your transcripts, right? so that's it! :) i don't think you need to worry :)

i guess i'm just not easily offended - they're really very adamant in their application about how if you want to know about your file's completion, you send in the postcards to let you know. i think that's probably why they're not very sweet about answering emails.

Actually, anyone who's spent any time on the LSAC thread should know that assuming LSDAS sent all of one's materials together at one time does, indeed, require a leap of faith.  I learned the hard way from my GULC report, which did not arrive all in one piece from LSDAS and required a call to LSDAS and an extra report sent by them to GULC.  Others' attachments have showed up at the schools as mangled garble with lines and dots through the middle, even though the pdf preview was OK.  As we know from the LSAT, one cannot safely make any assumptions.  I applied online, so postcards were not even mentioned.  If they wanted them, they should have said so in the online app, or somewhere obvious on the website.  (It's not in application FAQ's).  Actually, the site specifically says to contact them via email, phone, or snail-mail if one has a question about the application process that isn't answered on their website.  So I did, in fact, follow directions.

From the start I guessed they meant that my app is complete.   What I'm irritated about is that the email was completely a non-personal, half-assed message requiring me to guess at their meaning.  Compared to all 8 other schools I've applied to, GW is by far the worst at customer service. 

Ironically, I don't even really care whether my app is complete at GW, or if I get in because it was a safety I don't need any more. 

Anyway, it doesn't matter cause I'm going to Vandy with Cho :)
Title: Re: GW, WTF is this supposed to mean?
Post by: sarona on December 01, 2004, 06:11:27 AM
well then, if it doesn't matter, then no problem, right? all this for nothing ;)