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Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: t L on March 25, 2008, 07:42:13 PM
lol.  This news is going to send Wally into a tailspin.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: dpwc on March 25, 2008, 07:46:18 PM
i like the 2008 rankings better
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: Pop Up Video on March 25, 2008, 07:48:18 PM
CoxlessPair is going to flip.  :D
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: t L on March 25, 2008, 07:50:19 PM
lol.  This news is going to send Wally into a tailspin.  :D

Why's that?

Because now that Berk might be the higher ranked school, he might be conflicted about his decision.

Man, I would have loved to go to UC Berkeley.  Too bad my GPA was TTT.

Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: saradsun on March 25, 2008, 07:51:23 PM
If these are legit, cause there are about 20 "leaked" versions out there already, it should make ASW pretty fun next week!   :)
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: KidA23 on March 25, 2008, 07:52:06 PM
Vanderbilt up to 15th.

Wake takes it on the chin, slipping back to 42nd.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: t L on March 25, 2008, 07:53:46 PM
I hate these rankings.  All my options are TTTs in decline.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: KidA23 on March 25, 2008, 07:55:38 PM
So do we think these are legit? I mean I guess they same like they are. All the numbers (25th to 75th percentile ranges) appear to reflect the '07 numbers that these schools have had on their websites, so I guess that's something.

Wow, Wake got killed. IIRC, they were 34th or something last year; 42nd here...
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: HastingsOneL on March 25, 2008, 08:00:34 PM
Wow, Davis took a huge hit in the ranking this year. 
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: oh noze on March 25, 2008, 08:01:36 PM
The pics make this look very legit. Looks like I don't have a top 20 acceptance now thanks to both BU and UMN losing their #20 spots.

YOU SUCK!

My beloved Emory with their $96k offer gained a spot though.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: HastingsOneL on March 25, 2008, 08:05:53 PM
looks like there was a ton of movements for several schools...
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: 3-Elle on March 25, 2008, 08:06:32 PM
The pics make this look very legit. Looks like I don't have a top 20 acceptance now thanks to both BU and UMN losing their #20 spots.

YOU SUCK!

My beloved Emory with their $96k offer gained a spot though.


But Emory is still 22...http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: oh noze on March 25, 2008, 08:07:55 PM
The pics make this look very legit. Looks like I don't have a top 20 acceptance now thanks to both BU and UMN losing their #20 spots.

YOU SUCK!

My beloved Emory with their $96k offer gained a spot though.


But Emory is still 22...http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php

Oh, yeah, you're right. For some reason I thought they were 23 this year.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: latinlord on March 25, 2008, 08:09:34 PM
Someone needs to just post all the rankings so everyone can see including tier  3 and 4. I'm happy b/c my school went way up from 85 to what it looks like 68!! woop woop!!
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: HastingsOneL on March 25, 2008, 08:10:21 PM
I hate these rankings.

why?
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: _retired_ on March 25, 2008, 08:11:20 PM
Huh.  Looks legit.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: familyman on March 25, 2008, 08:12:03 PM
LatinLord - How did 1L go for you? I remmeber you from way back when you were just getting admitted. good to see you are going for 2L now!
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: just some guy on March 25, 2008, 08:13:44 PM
all it took for berkeley was getting rid of the "boalt hall" thing, apparently. 

lol yup that what was holding them back the *whole time*

i keep saying if nyu just changed their name to princeton law school, they'd be ranked #2 overnight.
If Seton Hall changed their name to Princeton, they'd be number 2 overnight.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: latinlord on March 25, 2008, 08:27:50 PM
LINK TO TOP 100 IN PDF: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/ca/USNews.pdf

source: http://theshark.typepad.com/weblog/2008/03/boalt-triumphs.html

boalt triumphs over chicago and pennsylvania, stress over student goverment crises subsides


Psst. Don’t tell anyone, but The Shark got its hands on a preview of the U.S. News & World Report’s rankings of law schools. We’ve heard its official publishing date is Friday.

One development is likely to make Boalt Hall students pee their pants: UC-Berkeley’s law school has muscled ahead of both the University of Chicago and the University of Pennsylvania, bumping them to claim sixth place. We’ve heard that may be the highest ranking Boalt has ever had.

Here are the Top 10

1/ Yale University
2/ Harvard University, Stanford University
4/ Columbia University
5/ New York University
6/ University of California – Berkeley
7/ University of Chicago, University of Pennsylvania
9/ Northwestern University, University of Michigan – Ann Arbor, University of Virginia

Four other California schools dropped down on the list compared to last year’s results.  UCLA fell from 15th place to 16th, sharing that spot with University of Texas — Austin this year.  USC also dropped, from 16th, to land on the 18th rung.  Hastings slid from 36th last year to share 38th place with three other schools this year.  And UC-Davis seems to have taken the biggest tumble, falling from 34th last year to 44th.

We lucked out when we heard from someone who’d bought a copy of the magazine already, apparently displayed ahead of schedule. Maybe you can run out and find a copy at a newsstand near you, too.

NOTE: GO TO THE SITE TO DOWNLOAD THE TOP 100 IN PDF

GW is now T20!   ;)

Pics are also up.  This is legit:
http://hidebehind.com/B12C68 and http://hidebehind.com/E883D5

Full List AKA Cosmo does hard labor for everyone:
1) Yale
2) Harvard
2) Stanford
4) Columbia
5) NYU
6) Boalt
7) Penn
7) Chicago
9) Michigan
9) Northwestern
9) Univ.of Virgina
12) Duke
12) Cornell
14) Georgetown
15) Vanderbilt
16) UCLA
16) Univ. of Texas
18) USC
19) Washington Univ. in St. Louis
20) George Washington University
21) Boston University
22) Emory University
22) Univ. of Minn
22) Univ. of Notre Dame
25) Washington and Lee
26) Boston College
27) Fordham University
27) Univ. of Illnois-Urbana-Champaign
27) Univ. of Iowa
30) College of William and Mary
30) Univ. of Washington
32) Ohio State
32) Univ. of Alabama
32) Univ. of Colorado-Boulder
32) Univ. of Georgia
36) Indiana Univ-Bloomington
36) Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
38) George Mason Univ.
38) Univ. of Arizona
38) Univ. of California - Hastings
38) Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
42) Univ. of Maryland
43) Wake Forest Univ.
44) Tulane Univ.
44) Univ. of California - Davis
46) American Univ.
46) Brigham Young Univ.
46) Southern Methodist Univ.
46) Univ. of Connecticut
46) Univ. of Florida
51) Univ. of Utah
52) Arizona State Univ.
52) Univ. of Cincinnati
52) Univ. of Tennessee-Knoxville
55) Baylor Univ.
55) Florida State Univ.
55) Univ. of Houston
55) Yeshiva Univ. (Cardozo)
59) Pepperdine Univ.
59) Temple Univ.
59) Univ. of Kentucky
59) Univ. of Missouri
63) Brooklyn Law School
63) Case Western Reserve
63) Loyola Marymount Univ.
66) Indiana Univ.
66) Univ. of New Mexico
66) Univ. of Oklahoma
66) Univ. of Richmond
66) Villanova Univ.
73) Lewis and Clark College
73) Univ. of Kansas
73) Univ. of Nebraska
73) Univ. of Pittsburg
77) George State Univ.
77) Pennsylvania State Univ.
77) Rutgers - Newark
77) Rutgers - Camden
77) Santa Clara Univ.
82) Loyola Univ. - Chicago
82) Seattle Univ.
82) Univ. of Hawaii
82) Univ. of Miami
82) Univ. of Oregon
82) Univ. of San Diego
86) Catholic Univ. of America
86) DePaul Univ.
86) Lousiana State Univ.
86) Northeastern Univ.
86) St. John's Univ.
86) Univ. of Denver
86) Univ. of Nevada
95) Marquette Univ.
95) St. Louis Univ.
95) Univ. of South Carolina
95) Univ. of the Pacific
98) Hofstra Univ.
100) Mercer Univ.
100) Stetson Univ.
100) Syracuse Univ.
100) Univ. of Buffalo
100) Univ. of Louisville

*done*

No do tier 3 and 4!! WE can see the top 100 now b/c of the PDF also forgot Seton Hall and Illanois they are tied for 66. IU-INDY starts tied at 68 with the others up to and including Villanova.

Anyone know if Drexel is ranked yet???

Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: HastingsOneL on March 25, 2008, 08:28:29 PM
all it took for berkeley was getting rid of the "boalt hall" thing, apparently. 

lol yup that what was holding them back the *whole time*

i keep saying if nyu just changed their name to princeton law school, they'd be ranked #2 overnight.
If Seton Hall changed their name to Princeton, they'd be number 2 overnight.

not exactly...
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: latinlord on March 25, 2008, 08:30:55 PM
No do tier 3 and 4!! WE can see the top 100 now b/c of the PDF also forgot Seton Hall and Illanois they are tied for 66. IU-INDY starts tied at 68 with the others up to and including Villanova.

Anyone know if Drexel is ranked yet???



I'm doing good thanks for asking!! I'm happy to be a 2L and almost done!! Sometims I feel like i'm going to burn out, but I know it is all worth it. 1 more year left!
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: UFBoldAsLove on March 25, 2008, 08:43:22 PM
Yay Vandy!
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: HastingsOneL on March 25, 2008, 08:47:40 PM
all it took for berkeley was getting rid of the "boalt hall" thing, apparently. 

lol yup that what was holding them back the *whole time*

i keep saying if nyu just changed their name to princeton law school, they'd be ranked #2 overnight.
If Seton Hall changed their name to Princeton, they'd be number 2 overnight.

I'm not so sure about that...
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: HastingsOneL on March 25, 2008, 08:51:03 PM
all it took for berkeley was getting rid of the "boalt hall" thing, apparently. 

lol yup that what was holding them back the *whole time*

i keep saying if nyu just changed their name to princeton law school, they'd be ranked #2 overnight.
If Seton Hall changed their name to Princeton, they'd be number 2 overnight.

I'm not so sure about that...
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
Post by: just some guy on March 25, 2008, 08:52:23 PM
If Seton Hall changed their name to Princeton, they'd be number 2 overnight.

you overstate the case.

I did that for effect. Sometimes I get carried away. oops.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosmo!)
Post by: miracles86 on March 25, 2008, 08:54:34 PM
sighh Fordham... this makes fordham v bu/gw decision harder
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: HastingsOneL on March 25, 2008, 09:00:53 PM
Nice work Cosmo!
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: ChangedMan on March 25, 2008, 09:01:26 PM
Seton Hall out of the top 100. Ouch.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: anax on March 25, 2008, 09:09:05 PM
What happened with Duke?  They feel below Northwestern and Virginia.  And can someone explain why changing the name jumped Boalt so much?  Also, it's funny that Georgetown is yet again 14th, for like the 10th years in a row.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosmo!)
Post by: gambi on March 25, 2008, 09:11:50 PM
um, it looks like seton hall is at 66. cosmo seemed to miss a few schools and his list got off-track.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: fearlesscowboy on March 25, 2008, 09:14:35 PM
Berkeley at #6 is absurd.

Their LSATs are crap. Four other CA schools have higher bar passage rates.  They blatantly practice AA in contravention of state law.  Admissions is a black box. 

They are going to tumble next year.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: El_Che on March 25, 2008, 09:14:46 PM
Thanks Cosmo! I know we shouldn't care about these so much, yet we still go after it like crack :)

Some big surprises on there, might make some decisions interesting....
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: pacific sands on March 25, 2008, 09:15:35 PM
three cheers for cosmo, putting in the work for everybody else.

hey thanks tm!

Thanks Cosmo! And congrats on landing a spot at a T20!  ;)

hear, hear.
cheers, cosmo. have a cosmo.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: El_Che on March 25, 2008, 09:16:03 PM
um, it looks like seton hall is at 66. cosmo seemed to miss a few schools and his list got off-track.



http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/ca/USNews.pdf

Apparently Seton Hall really IS that high...somehow tied with Chicago-Kent....that just seems wrong...


Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: HastingsOneL on March 25, 2008, 09:17:47 PM
Seton Hall out of the top 100. Ouch.

T3, wow.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: anax on March 25, 2008, 09:18:15 PM
It does seem like Boalt is overrated considering its scores.  However, I am happy to see Notre Dame take such a jump.  I always thought they were underrated.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: redbull on March 25, 2008, 09:18:21 PM
What happened with Duke?  They feel below Northwestern and Virginia.  And can someone explain why changing the name jumped Boalt so much?  Also, it's funny that Georgetown is yet again 14th, for like the 10th years in a row.

check out Dukes employment percentage...

Also, if you look at the rep scores this is yet more proof that in the minds of academics and lawyers Duke = Georgetown = Cornell = Northwestern.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: clairel on March 25, 2008, 09:18:30 PM
it seems chicago's time would be better spent RAISING OUR ADMITTED GPA AVERAGE than disabling our classroom internet access. W.T.F.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: Samson, B. on March 25, 2008, 09:20:04 PM
W&L's new 3L ideas apparently haven't altered its ranking at all (still at 25)

Glad to see WUSTL holding strong in the top 20, I gotta wonder if all the money they're dishing out will help them move up in the next couple of years.

I'm surprised to see Pitt all the way down at 73, anyone know why they took such a gigantic tumble?
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosmo!)
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 25, 2008, 09:22:55 PM
Go BOALT and TULANE!

::Thinks that his rampant trolling for both schools is at least in part responsible for the awesome changes.::

:)
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: clairel on March 25, 2008, 09:24:38 PM
it seems chicago's time would be better spent RAISING OUR ADMITTED GPA AVERAGE than disabling our classroom internet access. W.T.F.

yeah seriously, i'd be pissed if i were you.  i mean the boalt thing i could probably deal with, but being tied again with penn?  PENN???

meh, i expected us to still be tied or one notch above penn. boalt jumping so suddenly is surprising but if levmore insists on NOT gaming the rankings, i want to AT LEAST be able to play scrabulous in class.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosmo!)
Post by: velasquez on March 25, 2008, 09:27:36 PM
A couple of thoughts to keep perspective:

1. The methodology behind the rankings is really unsound. For example, putting "per student expenditures" which is an easily manipulable statistic, at 10 percent weight and then not disclosing the numbers.

2. Pretty much only OLs care about these rankings. Hiring officials already have a set idea of which schools are better than others and won't be affected by rankings changes.

3. Unfortunately, the rankings probably have a culmunative effect on perceptions, but that happens over a long time. The most important statistics are probably peer scores, legal field scores, and acceptance statistics.

That said, its annoying that a publication with terrible methodology can have so much power over how OLs think about their schools.

(Crossposted)
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosmo!)
Post by: velasquez on March 25, 2008, 09:30:39 PM
A couple of thoughts to keep perspective:

1. The methodology behind the rankings is really unsound. For example, putting "per student expenditures" which is an easily manipulable statistic, at 10 percent weight and then not disclosing the numbers.

2. Pretty much only OLs care about these rankings. Hiring officials already have a set idea of which schools are better than others and won't be affected by rankings changes.

3. Unfortunately, the rankings probably have a culmunative effect on perceptions, but that happens over a long time. The most important statistics are probably peer scores, legal field scores, and acceptance statistics.

That said, its annoying that a publication with terrible methodology can have so much power over how OLs think about their schools.
(crossposted)
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: HastingsOneL on March 25, 2008, 09:33:14 PM
University of San Francisco to Tier 3?
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosmo!)
Post by: velasquez on March 25, 2008, 09:33:36 PM
A couple of thoughts to keep perspective:

1. The methodology behind the rankings is really unsound. For example, putting "per student expenditures" which is an easily manipulable statistic, at 10 percent weight and then not disclosing the numbers.

2. Pretty much only OLs care about these rankings. Hiring officials already have a set idea of which schools are better than others and won't be affected by rankings changes.

3. Unfortunately, the rankings probably have a culmunative effect on perceptions, but that happens over a long time. The most important statistics are probably peer scores, legal field scores, and acceptance statistics.

That said, its annoying that a publication with terrible methodology can have so much power over how OLs think about their schools. (Crossposted)
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: Letsgo on March 25, 2008, 09:34:11 PM
um, it looks like seton hall is at 66. cosmo seemed to miss a few schools and his list got off-track.



http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/ca/USNews.pdf

Apparently Seton Hall really IS that high...somehow tied with Chicago-Kent....that just seems wrong...



Why?  Seton Hall is a great school.  They have a great faculty and place well in New Jersey.  They only moved up four spots.  However, what happened to St. John's?  Weren't they 70 last year?  (too lazy to look).
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: clairel on March 25, 2008, 09:39:37 PM
A couple of thoughts to keep perspective:

1. The methodology behind the rankings is really unsound. For example, putting "per student expenditures" which is an easily manipulable statistic, at 10 percent weight and then not disclosing the numbers.

2. Pretty much only OLs care about these rankings. Hiring officials already have a set idea of which schools are better than others and won't be affected by rankings changes.

3. Unfortunately, the rankings probably have a culmunative effect on perceptions, but that happens over a long time. The most important statistics are probably peer scores, legal field scores, and acceptance statistics.

That said, its annoying that a publication with terrible methodology can have so much power over how OLs think about their schools. (Crossposted)

yeah, i was not pleased with last year's penn tie (less freaked now that i have a 2L associate gig) but i think levmore and the administration will have to do some gaming of the rankings this year with boalt taking the #6 spot and our losing sunstein.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: aerynn on March 25, 2008, 09:47:02 PM
W&L's new 3L ideas apparently haven't altered its ranking at all (still at 25)

Glad to see WUSTL holding strong in the top 20, I gotta wonder if all the money they're dishing out will help them move up in the next couple of years.

I'm surprised to see Pitt all the way down at 73, anyone know why they took such a gigantic tumble?

The W&L thing won't hit this year's rankings.  It might not even hit next year.  It is more a 3+ year impact, as either their grads become more valuable or less and their faculty better or worse as a result.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosm
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 25, 2008, 09:56:39 PM
W&L's new 3L ideas apparently haven't altered its ranking at all (still at 25)

Glad to see WUSTL holding strong in the top 20, I gotta wonder if all the money they're dishing out will help them move up in the next couple of years.

I'm surprised to see Pitt all the way down at 73, anyone know why they took such a gigantic tumble?

The W&L thing won't hit this year's rankings.  It might not even hit next year.  It is more a 3+ year impact, as either their grads become more valuable or less and their faculty better or worse as a result.
Or it could produce no significant changes.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: VirusNY on March 25, 2008, 10:09:47 PM
NYU is back to where it belongs, behind Columbia. Now lets hope it slides behind Berkeley, Chicago and Penn in the coming years. :) I am very satisfied!
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: pacific sands on March 25, 2008, 10:10:52 PM
Anybody else notice how the bottom of the T14 seems Lsat-heavy and gpa-light compared to the top? Maybe it's just cal making me feel this way...
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: Muhammad Ali on March 25, 2008, 10:18:39 PM
Aren't these rankings for last year's cycle? So I dont understand how comments such as W&L's 3L curriculum change are relevant.

Boo to UChi dropping. Penn and Boalt aren't on their level.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: laughing hard on March 25, 2008, 10:24:14 PM
TY Cosmo!

What happened to Duke? Leapfrogged by UVA and NW?
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: pacific sands on March 25, 2008, 10:24:25 PM
Aren't these rankings for last year's cycle? So I dont understand how comments such as W&L's 3L curriculum change are relevant.

Boo to UChi dropping. Penn and Boalt aren't on their level.

Chicago drop to 7 = ex post facto result of losing Professor Obama to the senate in 2004 based on his present level of prestige.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: TeresaPinfold on March 25, 2008, 10:24:31 PM
I love how panicked people are about random fluctuations. If even clueless 0Ls can tell when they don't reflect reality, do you really think that hiring partner is going to say, "Well, we would hire you, but Chicago is only #7 this year"? (Not to mention the fact that new rankings will be out by the time you are looking for a job).
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: I am Penny Lane on March 25, 2008, 10:29:15 PM
86) Catholic Univ. of America
86) DePaul Univ.
86) Lousiana State Univ.
86) Northeastern Univ.
86) St. John's Univ.
86) Univ. of Denver
86) Univ. of Nevada

These are actually #88 I think.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: epicac on March 25, 2008, 10:37:25 PM
Interesting.

Mizzou Up - The campus's massive renovation must've helped
SLU Down - I heard some professors were leaving

Hofstra, Syracuse, Buffalo.. NYC is getting tougher by the minute.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: plex on March 25, 2008, 10:50:17 PM
Wow, I think the biggest change is Kent going from #60 to T3, unless someone forgot to put it down on the list.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: CoupDeGlace on March 25, 2008, 10:51:18 PM
For me, the rankings are a baseline indicator. For example, I'm currently trying to decide between Wake Forest and UF. If UF dipped again after having lost 6 points last year, that would have scared me off of UF, because it would have indicated an overall downward trend.

On the other hand, Wake dropping from 36 to 42 isn't shocking, because there was a huge block of 36 last year, which has been divided into 2 at 36, 4 at 38, and 2 at 42.

A dip like the one Davis took, from 34 to 44 is really huge.

I just think it goes to show that schools have no clue what's going to happen. FSU admins were bragging all over the ASD back on 02/22 about how we all needed to watch the US News rankings this year, because I believe they saw themselves not only breaking T1 (and I'm surprised they didn't, actually), but also eclipsing UF. They were quite smug about it too.

And holy s@%t @ in the time it took me to post this 10 new replies being posted.
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Post by: stricly bricly on March 25, 2008, 10:52:10 PM
i'm taking this with a grain of salt honestly.  the pdf could have been faked with about a couple hours of free time and some patience.  odd way to spend your couple hours, but lots of people are razzed
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Post by: plex on March 25, 2008, 10:53:05 PM
Ah, nm. Only big drop was Davis then.
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Post by: TeresaPinfold on March 25, 2008, 10:55:48 PM
i'm taking this with a grain of salt honestly.  the pdf could have been faked with about a couple hours of free time and some patience.  odd way to spend your couple hours, but lots of people are razzed
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk241/snapple4224/USNEWS.jpg?t=1206496689
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Post by: pacific sands on March 25, 2008, 10:56:06 PM
I was thinking it was 1st yr associates at LEAST 125k+/yr starting salary.  Maybe I'm wrong?

well, it's at 160k now.

Yeah I think you're right it's 160k now.

"Big Law" = 160k? Market value for first year associates at top new york firms is 160k-ish, ok. But is that how we define biglaw? I agree with tm, it seems more fluid than that. If you were working 18 hour days on the 53rd floor of a manhatten skyscraper and billing 2500 hours a year you'd probably feel like you were in biglaw regardless of your salary.  ;)
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Post by: stricly bricly on March 25, 2008, 10:58:04 PM
pff, you can do wonders with those home printers these days.  :)

but really, that's cool that it's real.  no complaints here.
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Post by: stricly bricly on March 25, 2008, 11:09:23 PM
xoxo points out that according to this, NW's GPA and LSAT bands would have stayed exactly the same for 2 years in a row.  exactly.  and the lsat band reported on the "leaked" USNWR doesn't jive what's reported on NW's website for the 2007 admits.

just saying is all!  i want this to be real!
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Post by: latinlord on March 25, 2008, 11:09:40 PM
Ah, nm. Only big drop was Davis then.

No Univ of Pitt dropped 16(!) rankings.

Miami also dropped 12 points, which is pretty big because this means they dropped 65 to 82 in 2 years.

check it out - http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29109

And the biggest jump up was IU-INDY!!! +17 WOOOP WOOP
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Post by: stricly bricly on March 25, 2008, 11:14:59 PM
tm now stands for "too much"
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Post by: chunkylover53 on March 25, 2008, 11:23:57 PM
wow. why did the North Carolina schools take such a hit? Duke, UNC, Wake all dropped.
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Post by: Fountainhead on March 25, 2008, 11:31:09 PM
I thought George Mason would have moved up?  Interesting.
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Post by: CoupDeGlace on March 25, 2008, 11:32:02 PM
wow. why did the North Carolina schools take such a hit? Duke, UNC, Wake all dropped.

This is true... None of the dips were that bad IMO But maybe that's because I'm just amazed at how UMiami plunged from 70 to 82. That one was a big surprise. Well, not really, considering how underwhelmed I was with their attitude from the get go, but still. Ouch.
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Post by: stricly bricly on March 25, 2008, 11:42:39 PM
tm now stands for "too much"

anyway, haven't there been a couple of pictures of the same thing at this point?

 ???
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Post by: billymahogany on March 25, 2008, 11:49:17 PM
For me, the rankings are a baseline indicator. For example, I'm currently trying to decide between Wake Forest and UF. If UF dipped again after having lost 6 points last year, that would have scared me off of UF, because it would have indicated an overall downward trend.

On the other hand, Wake dropping from 36 to 42 isn't shocking, because there was a huge block of 36 last year, which has been divided into 2 at 36, 4 at 38, and 2 at 42.

A dip like the one Davis took, from 34 to 44 is really huge.

I just think it goes to show that schools have no clue what's going to happen. FSU admins were bragging all over the ASD back on 02/22 about how we all needed to watch the US News rankings this year, because I believe they saw themselves not only breaking T1 (and I'm surprised they didn't, actually), but also eclipsing UF. They were quite smug about it too.

And holy s@%t @ in the time it took me to post this 10 new replies being posted.

Yeah, FSU tells all their incoming students that, as well as their current 1L's.  It's sad, and one of the reasons I'm probably choosing UF over FSU. 
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Post by: doos13 on March 25, 2008, 11:51:19 PM
Anyone else notice that Chicago's student faculty ratio seems a little bit low?
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Post by: CoupDeGlace on March 25, 2008, 11:52:41 PM
For me, the rankings are a baseline indicator. For example, I'm currently trying to decide between Wake Forest and UF. If UF dipped again after having lost 6 points last year, that would have scared me off of UF, because it would have indicated an overall downward trend.

On the other hand, Wake dropping from 36 to 42 isn't shocking, because there was a huge block of 36 last year, which has been divided into 2 at 36, 4 at 38, and 2 at 42.

A dip like the one Davis took, from 34 to 44 is really huge.

I just think it goes to show that schools have no clue what's going to happen. FSU admins were bragging all over the ASD back on 02/22 about how we all needed to watch the US News rankings this year, because I believe they saw themselves not only breaking T1 (and I'm surprised they didn't, actually), but also eclipsing UF. They were quite smug about it too.

And holy s@%t @ in the time it took me to post this 10 new replies being posted.

Yeah, FSU tells all their incoming students that, as well as their current 1L's.  It's sad, and one of the reasons I'm probably choosing UF over FSU. 

It was just this attitude which is why I decided I couldn't go to FSU, even if I didn't get into UF. They seem to be plagued by this obsession with beating UF, so much so that they put themselves out there and make big claims, and then it doesn't happen. That loses credibility. It kind of is like when a politician says they're going to win and then they lose in a landslide. Not that FSU dropped huge or anything, but to put yourself out there and tell everyone at your ASD that you should choose FSU because they're going to trounce UF this year... that's just setting yourself up.
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Post by: lawboy81 on March 25, 2008, 11:58:33 PM
Nice to see George Mason drop a few spots and William and Mary go up one.  William and Mary is clearly the better Virginia school.  

Also glad to see Wake drop.  Why would anyone go there?  If you want to practice in NC got to UNC.

On the other hand I don't get Alabama's rise to #32.  I decided not to apply there because I thought their #36 rankng was inflated.  It has to be the highest ranked school with the worst job prospects.

Finally, glad that Tulane moved up a couple of spots.  I think it's fully recovered from the effects of Katrina now.  Hopefully it will continue to inch up there.  It'd be nice to see it break top 40.    
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Post by: smplsimon2 on March 26, 2008, 12:01:06 AM
Can someone post the specialty rankings?
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Post by: Viking Quest on March 26, 2008, 04:38:20 AM
What seems odd in print version of this is that they have put the schools which are ranked at #100 (mercer, syracuse, buffalo, stetson & louisville) into BOTH the numerical lists for tier 2 and for the unranked tier 3 list.  I wonder if that was intentional or a US News error.

Glad to see Hofstra back in tier 2 --
NYLS and Pace, as always, are in tier 3.     
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Post by: 1LMan on March 26, 2008, 05:46:27 AM
I still find it absurd that Wash U is above GW, but such is life haha. 

Also, GMU is only as good as it is because of the cost of tuition so they attract a lot of high caliber applicants, most of which never actually attend, but by applying, permit them to affect their ranking.  Furthermore, GMU is pretty unknown for BIGLAW placement so it's really just an economically feasible choice for some.
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Post by: gowi on March 26, 2008, 06:05:33 AM
Wow, Georgia State jumped 9 spots. It's rising in leaps and bounds every year.

So much of the rankings seem to be the same as last year. I have such a hard time believing Georgia and Alabama will continually be ranked the same. And I was hoping to see Emory go up a bit. They have got to raise the GPAs.

Also, to the poster who mentioned Bama having the worst job prospects, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, they have better prospects than the OL's around here think? I know plenty of grads who made it to Atlanta BigLaw, and even L.A. Biglaw (with no personal connections there. Specifically, my best friend's sister lived her whole life in Bama, went to Bama undergrad and law school, now makes bank in LA. Maybe this is an exception, but I seriously doubt it. Job prospects out of Bama are not strictly limited to Alabama.)
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Post by: BurtsBees on March 26, 2008, 07:13:04 AM
Don't get me wrong I love NU, but I'm curious as how they ended up #9 with the lowest peer and judge/lawyer assessment score as well as the lowest 25% GPA and among the lowest 75% GPA.  Their LSAT is a little better than the peers, but what variable puts them so high?
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Post by: Fangoria on March 26, 2008, 07:13:43 AM
What happened with Duke?  They feel below Northwestern and Virginia.  And can someone explain why changing the name jumped Boalt so much?  Also, it's funny that Georgetown is yet again 14th, for like the 10th years in a row.

Duke lost to West Virginia, Duh!
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Post by: devilishlyblue on March 26, 2008, 07:15:23 AM
Don't get me wrong I love NU, but I'm curious as how they ended up #9 with the lowest peer and judge/lawyer assessment score as well as the lowest 25% GPA and among the lowest 75% GPA.  Their LSAT is a little better than the peers, but what variable puts them so high?

Tag.  It can't be student/faculty ratio, can it?  Is that variable weighted that heavily?
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Post by: I am Penny Lane on March 26, 2008, 07:48:03 AM
Wow, Georgia State jumped 9 spots. It's rising in leaps and bounds every year.

They only moved from 82 to 77.
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Post by: LifesaBitch on March 26, 2008, 08:22:40 AM
Don't get me wrong I love NU, but I'm curious as how they ended up #9 with the lowest peer and judge/lawyer assessment score as well as the lowest 25% GPA and among the lowest 75% GPA.  Their LSAT is a little better than the peers, but what variable puts them so high?

The acceptance rate is lower, and its bar passage rates are significantly stronger than its peer schools.
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Post by: Lobstah! on March 26, 2008, 08:24:02 AM
Note that CLS's Stud:Fac ratio is now below 10, putting it behind only Stanford and Yale. (Take that Chicago!)

Oh, and we're adding another FLOOR to our main building. That means even more faculty hires. Bahahahahahaha.

/troll.

the first three times i read this, i thought Stud:Fac ratio involved the ratio of good looking guys to whatever Fac is.

Stud to fine-available-chicks.
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Post by: boilerguy84 on March 26, 2008, 08:50:25 AM
those rankings are fake. there is a certain lansing, MI school that isn't in the top 16.
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Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 26, 2008, 09:20:12 AM
tag

And I'm mad Penn fell  :'(
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Post by: BurtsBees on March 26, 2008, 09:31:19 AM
tag

And I'm mad Penn fell  :'(

They're seven before and after?  Berkley just jumped, and now they're in a tie.  However, had I told you they would end up tied with Chicago, would you be upset?
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Post by: UGAfootballfanatic on March 26, 2008, 09:59:23 AM
Two thoughts:
Alabama is the new Iowa.
Lol @ FSU, trying to game the rankings to beat UF. They cut their incoming class by 1/3 and planned to admit a monster transfer class, plus they offer huge amounts of scholarship money to anyone who would get an acceptance to UF. Pretty funny.
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Post by: billymahogany on March 26, 2008, 10:27:14 AM
Two thoughts:
Alabama is the new Iowa.
Lol @ FSU, trying to game the rankings to beat UF. They cut their incoming class by 1/3 and planned to admit a monster transfer class, plus they offer huge amounts of scholarship money to anyone who would get an acceptance to UF. Pretty funny.

Agreed.  All the FSU students I know have been telling me for the past 2 years how "this is the year" they'll pass UF in the rankings.  It's going to be pretty hard, given the disparity between their reputation scores, for them to pass UF anytime soon. 
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Post by: thejacker112 on March 26, 2008, 11:12:52 AM
wtf happened to miami?  they dropped from 70 --> 83
Thought they were going up this year with the cut in class size

And Penn State sure shot up the list real fast.  anyone else think thats just the beginning for Penn State?
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Post by: Muhammad Ali on March 26, 2008, 11:18:52 AM
And Penn State sure shot up the list real fast.  anyone else think thats just the beginning for Penn State?

Absolutely.  T1 in a couple of years?  The Penn State name is a strong branding around the Tri-State area.
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Post by: BurtsBees on March 26, 2008, 11:23:22 AM
wtf happened to miami?  they dropped from 70 --> 83
Thought they were going up this year with the cut in class size

And Penn State sure shot up the list real fast.  anyone else think thats just the beginning for Penn State?

I think the addition of the State College campus will really help the school.  I have seen the designs and looks really nice.  If Pitt continues to fall or at best stagnates, PSU will replace it on the way to t1.
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Post by: jack24 on March 26, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
Do any of you know where I can find the rankings methodology?

Do you have a link you could give me?
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Post by: thejacker112 on March 26, 2008, 11:46:36 AM
Anyone think Penn State will be Tier 1 in 3 years time?
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Post by: Man Crush on March 26, 2008, 11:47:40 AM
Do any of you know where I can find the rankings methodology?

Do you have a link you could give me?


This is the closest I have come to finding the methodology explained.

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php?topic=102460.msg2624720
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Post by: billymahogany on March 26, 2008, 11:58:39 AM
http://www.leiterrankings.com/usnews/guide.shtml

It's old and some of the values have changed, but it does a good job of explaining the criteria. 
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Post by: R.P. McMurphy on March 26, 2008, 12:03:16 PM
USNEWS=TTT

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Post by: Curious George on March 26, 2008, 12:12:23 PM
I posted this on another forum last night, but I thought that I'd drop by here and post it as well for anyone who might be interested...

With all of the excitement surrounding the new ranking, I went ahead and created an Excel file with all of the top 100, and a separate section for the big gains and losses.

I've uploaded the entire file to my weebly site, so feel free to download.

Enjoy!

Excel file:
http://curiousgeorge.weebly.com/uploads/5/7/7/4/577405/usnews_2009.xls

Image: (You may have to right-click and select "View Image")
(http://curiousgeorge.weebly.com/uploads/5/7/7/4/577405/4569599.bmp)
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Post by: gclemen1 on March 26, 2008, 12:37:51 PM
Wow, Georgia State jumped 9 spots. It's rising in leaps and bounds every year.

So much of the rankings seem to be the same as last year. I have such a hard time believing Georgia and Alabama will continually be ranked the same. And I was hoping to see Emory go up a bit. They have got to raise the GPAs.

Also, to the poster who mentioned Bama having the worst job prospects, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, they have better prospects than the OL's around here think? I know plenty of grads who made it to Atlanta BigLaw, and even L.A. Biglaw (with no personal connections there. Specifically, my best friend's sister lived her whole life in Bama, went to Bama undergrad and law school, now makes bank in LA. Maybe this is an exception, but I seriously doubt it. Job prospects out of Bama are not strictly limited to Alabama.)

Georgia State is doing really well.  I really believe that they will be T1 in the near future.  Especially when they acquire the Suntrust building (They already bought it, but suntrust is leasing it for a few more years i think).

Emory didn't move, but the new "up-the-rankings" movement by Emory has just been implemented.  If you look at the GPA and LSAT numbers, they are almost the same as last year (pretty much exactly the same).  However, next year should be a good year for Emory in the rankings because I think that the Emory Law entering class this year will have significantly higher numbers because of the huge scholarships they are giving out.  Im pretty stoked to see it.  Emory supposedly has given the new dean free reign at a huge sum of money to up the prestige level of the Law School compared to the rest of Emory's top grad schools.  T-20, here we come!!
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Post by: just some guy on March 26, 2008, 12:43:02 PM
You made the front page of ATL. Congrats to Cosmo.
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Post by: deathinvenice on March 26, 2008, 12:57:39 PM
what's the ATL? 

and please, because i'm (fairly) new, what do the following mean?

tag

flame

bump

my first post was on the rankings rubric used by US News.  check it out.
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Post by: CoupDeGlace on March 26, 2008, 01:02:11 PM
what's the ATL? 

and please, because i'm (fairly) new, what do the following mean?

tag

flame

bump

my first post was on the rankings rubric used by US News.  check it out.

ATL: Above the Law Blog http://www.abovethelaw.com
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Post by: stricly bricly on March 26, 2008, 02:22:37 PM
to be honest i'm enjoying the comments on ATL even more than the rankings themselves.  what fun!

and please, because i'm (fairly) new, what do the following mean?

tag

flame

bump


tag - written in a thread when someone doesn't have anything to say at the moment but they still want to keep track of a thread by having it show up in their "unread replies"

flame - a person or post that is purposely incendiary and disingenuous and meant to rile people up. also used as an adjective for some f-ing reason.

bump - "bumping" the OP up to the top of the forum by posting this
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Post by: pacific sands on March 26, 2008, 02:46:51 PM
to be honest i'm enjoying the comments on ATL even more than the rankings themselves.  what fun!

"I've never met a Georgetown grad with an IQ over room temperature."

:(

this is really, really credited
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Post by: stricly bricly on March 26, 2008, 03:01:59 PM
Quote

US News sees through the Chicago mystique. A school full of Harvard rejects and strivers, which is bleeding faculty, that has high clerkship numbers only because the federal judges on the faculty refuse to hire non-Chi students, which has now apparently shut off the wireless access in classrooms.

Chicago trolls think that just because male private part Posner is being pushed around the halls in a wheelchair by a hospice worker that their school is top 5. It is not.


Quote
"live at the center of the american empire,"

You should openly ridiculed for that remark. Do you describe DC as the "center of the Am. Emp." when talking to your friends? Toolshed.

Quote

11:14(1) - I don't get it... no matter where you put the "University" in the name, it's still Penn State Law School right?

Further proof that the rankings are rigged... seeing how a school gets on there twice.

Quote
Boalt Hall: Chicago::Walmart Brand clothing:Armani



good *&^%.
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Post by: jeffreydane on March 26, 2008, 03:32:53 PM
does anyone have a link to the vault rankings?  or could someone post them?
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Post by: R.P. McMurphy on March 26, 2008, 03:40:15 PM
does anyone have a link to the vault rankings?  or could someone post them?

http://www.vault.com/lawschool/top25/

dude the Vault rankings are a joke. they're even worse than USNEWS.
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Post by: bruinbro on March 26, 2008, 04:01:35 PM
You made the front page of ATL. Congrats to Cosmo.

wowwwwwwwwie!   ;D ;D

Your're famous!
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Post by: lovethelaw2010 on March 26, 2008, 04:37:56 PM
Anybody know what led to Pitt dropping so far in the rankings?
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Post by: lawboy81 on March 26, 2008, 05:50:12 PM
Wow, Georgia State jumped 9 spots. It's rising in leaps and bounds every year.

So much of the rankings seem to be the same as last year. I have such a hard time believing Georgia and Alabama will continually be ranked the same. And I was hoping to see Emory go up a bit. They have got to raise the GPAs.

Also, to the poster who mentioned Bama having the worst job prospects, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, they have better prospects than the OL's around here think? I know plenty of grads who made it to Atlanta BigLaw, and even L.A. Biglaw (with no personal connections there. Specifically, my best friend's sister lived her whole life in Bama, went to Bama undergrad and law school, now makes bank in LA. Maybe this is an exception, but I seriously doubt it. Job prospects out of Bama are not strictly limited to Alabama.)

I'm sure there are people who garduate from Bama and get good jobs.  But I think it was Princeton Review where I saw that their average starting salary is about $65,000.  Harly impressive.  My home-state's state school, which is T3, Ole Miss, had an average starting salary of about the same.

Just to copare Bama with other regional schools -- it should be below Georgia (which has a large legal market in its backyard), Florida (which has a few large legal markets in its backyard), UNC (which is known across the country as a good state school, unlike Bama), Tulane (is more prestigious and probably places better than Bama everywhere except in Alabama), and maybe Wake (which deserved to drop in the rankings but is still better known than Bama).  Who cares if Bama's incoming class has a couple points higher LSAT score than those other schools?
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Post by: CoupDeGlace on March 26, 2008, 09:12:03 PM
However, what is the cost of living in Alabama? I've never been to Alabama, so I have no idea, but something tells me that it's cheaper to live in AL than in the big cities of Atlanta or Florida. North Carolina IDK because it's quite cheap in certain parts (Winston-Salem in particular) but I don't know how the COL is in Raleigh, Charlotte, etc.

If the majority of Alabama graduates stay in the state of Alabama, it probably reflects in the numbers.

And I can't think of any huge legal market in the state of Alabama, for that matter, outside of maybe Birmingham.
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Post by: SteelersandGators on March 26, 2008, 09:16:08 PM
However, what is the cost of living in Alabama? I've never been to Alabama, so I have no idea, but something tells me that it's cheaper to live in AL than in the big cities of Atlanta or Florida. North Carolina IDK because it's quite cheap in certain parts (Winston-Salem in particular) but I don't know how the COL is in Raleigh, Charlotte, etc.

If the majority of Alabama graduates stay in the state of Alabama, it probably reflects in the numbers.

And I can't think of any huge legal market in the state of Alabama, for that matter, outside of maybe Birmingham.

don't forget about BIGMONTGOMERYLAW
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Post by: xoxopwnslsd on March 27, 2008, 04:32:30 PM
cosmo u fag xoxo beat you by over an hour, our king gerbil screwed u up ur fag lsd ass, htfh
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: CoupDeGlace on March 27, 2008, 04:39:24 PM
cosmo u fag xoxo beat you by over an hour, our king gerbil screwed u up ur fag lsd ass, htfh

If only Cosmo wasn't a girl...

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Post by: UFBoldAsLove on March 27, 2008, 08:49:09 PM
wow I'm totally buying the online edition this minute.
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Post by: GunnerDore on March 27, 2008, 09:37:33 PM
This now means that I got into the highest ranked school to which I applied, something that I couldn't say this time last week.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet.

/doesn't really care about rankings, but does care about UVA's patent clinic
//also pumped about 3x Five Guys in Charlottesville = Fifteen Guys?
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: Captain on March 27, 2008, 10:46:05 PM
Emory held steady and will not be overbooking the class of 2011. Expect a rise in next year's rankings.
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Post by: botbot on March 27, 2008, 11:34:25 PM
Emory held steady and will not be overbooking the class of 2011. Expect a rise in next year's rankings.

lol, passing who?
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Post by: BlueGreen on March 28, 2008, 12:59:19 AM
hooray for northwestern breaking T10! they have a special place in my heart as that wonderful first acceptance :)
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Post by: Marc03 on March 28, 2008, 12:10:37 PM
Baylor slips and U of Houston rises.  Interesting.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: R.P. McMurphy on March 28, 2008, 03:53:14 PM
cause USNWR is full of idiots
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on March 28, 2008, 04:00:20 PM
Any idea why the "Tier 1" title on the 2009 USNWR rankings now extend from 1-100 rather than 1-50?

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/grad/law/search/c_final_tier+1/page+5

it's been like that for at least the last few years...but t2 starts at 51
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Post by: goaliechica on March 28, 2008, 04:41:55 PM
The fallout of the rankings on the law deans from Iowa, Minnesota, Buffalo and UNC.

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2008/03/the_us_news_rankings_law_schoo_1.php#more

I really hope those deans didn't sign the letter lambasting the US News rankings. That would be really hypocritical.

Eh, I disagree. They can legitimately criticize the system and still acknowledge that they have to deal with its effects.

ETA: But yes, it's completely insane.
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on March 28, 2008, 04:43:34 PM
The fallout of the rankings on the law deans from Iowa, Minnesota, Buffalo and UNC.

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2008/03/the_us_news_rankings_law_schoo_1.php#more

I really hope those deans didn't sign the letter lambasting the US News rankings. That would be really hypocritical.

the fact that these deans felt the need to explain frops from 24 to 27, 20 to 22, or 36 to 38 is mind-boggling.
titcr
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Post by: stricly bricly on March 28, 2008, 05:31:27 PM
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Post by: vjm on March 28, 2008, 06:32:54 PM
Or even more trenchantly, "Here is why we think the US News rankings are bogus and destructive, and why we are spearheading the fight to end them."

I would totally go to that school.
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Post by: R.P. McMurphy on March 28, 2008, 06:36:24 PM
Or even more trenchantly, "Here is why we think the US News rankings are bogus and destructive, and why we are spearheading the fight to end them."

I would totally go to that school.

TITCR. These schools just need to be like, "Rankings don't mean jack. Get a life."
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Post by: CoupDeGlace on March 28, 2008, 11:04:09 PM
The problem with all of this is these schools would be bragging up and down if their rankings had gone up this year.

It's just human nature, nobody likes to lose, but people love rankings so long as they're on top or rising. Iowa was proud to boast they were number 24 last year. They dip 3 spots a few days ago and now they have a huge problem with the US News rankings.

If next year they rose to 20, something tells me they wouldn't be continuing their crusade to end the evil US News hegemony.

And this double standard is why the US News rankings will continue to influence the lives of 0Ls everywhere for a long time to come.
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Post by: Captain on March 29, 2008, 06:18:16 PM
Emory didn't move, but the new "up-the-rankings" movement by Emory has just been implemented.  If you look at the GPA and LSAT numbers, they are almost the same as last year (pretty much exactly the same).  However, next year should be a good year for Emory in the rankings because I think that the Emory Law entering class this year will have significantly higher numbers because of the huge scholarships they are giving out.  Im pretty stoked to see it.  Emory supposedly has given the new dean free reign at a huge sum of money to up the prestige level of the Law School compared to the rest of Emory's top grad schools.  T-20, here we come!!

The current 1L class was overbooked by Emory. They weren't expecting last year's move to 22, and when the higher ranking drew a lot of accepts, they were well over the anticipated class size.

This year they are 22 and anticipating the same interest as last year (and yeah, there are more scholarships to be had).  Emory will certainly not fall in the rankings, and will very likely move UP a spot or two.

Everyone here is pretty psyched as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up by Cosmo!)
Post by: maxter on March 30, 2008, 10:03:40 AM
sighh Fordham... this makes fordham v bu/gw decision harder

WHY??? You are actually going to base you decision on the fact that BU and GW went up or down a spot or two and Fordham did not. Anyone who thinks like this is really out of their mind. I really do not want to insult anyone but does it really make a difference that say Vandy moved up a couple of spots but ucla moved down so now someone will suddenly change their decision from ucla to vandy??? This is utter insanity to me.
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Post by: maxter on March 30, 2008, 10:16:15 AM
After reading those stupid e-mails from school heads,esp. Iowa's "Apollo Project" crap, I am even more disturbed. Even Minn, where I am headed bought into this hysteria which made me very disappointed. I wish US news would just discontinue these stupid rankings. Also there are other rankings. I think the aba mag ranked Chicago #1. I could be mistaken about the source but I know someone ranked UC #1. So what ranking system is correct??
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Post by: maxter on March 30, 2008, 10:35:39 AM
 :)
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Post by: dobson on March 30, 2008, 12:06:41 PM
I think Hofstra is going to make a move into the first tier next year.
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Post by: ajrm116 on March 30, 2008, 12:39:31 PM
And Penn State sure shot up the list real fast.  anyone else think thats just the beginning for Penn State?

Absolutely.  T1 in a couple of years?  The Penn State name is a strong branding around the Tri-State area.

Definitely.  People will actually want to go to law school in State College.  I can't imagine a less attractive place to spend 3 miserable years than Carlisle. 
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Post by: lovethelaw2010 on March 30, 2008, 02:20:17 PM
And Penn State sure shot up the list real fast.  anyone else think thats just the beginning for Penn State?

Absolutely.  T1 in a couple of years?  The Penn State name is a strong branding around the Tri-State area.

Definitely.  People will actually want to go to law school in State College.  I can't imagine a less attractive place to spend 3 miserable years than Carlisle. 

Yeah, I was driving from Pittsburgh to New York the other day and was shocked at the location of Penn State Law School.  I didn't know if it was the actual law school or not.  It seemed to be in the middle of nowhere with a truck stop across the street. 
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Post by: ColvilleWA on March 30, 2008, 04:29:27 PM
And Penn State sure shot up the list real fast.  anyone else think thats just the beginning for Penn State?

Absolutely.  T1 in a couple of years?  The Penn State name is a strong branding around the Tri-State area.

Definitely.  People will actually want to go to law school in State College.  I can't imagine a less attractive place to spend 3 miserable years than Carlisle. 

Yeah, I was driving from Pittsburgh to New York the other day and was shocked at the location of Penn State Law School.  I didn't know if it was the actual law school or not.  It seemed to be in the middle of nowhere with a truck stop across the street. 



Does no one realize they are building a new place at University Park?
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: epicac on March 31, 2008, 10:51:25 AM
"Hundreds of hours of sophisticated thought by alumni, faculty and staff have gone into this project, informally dubbed the Apollo Project."

Unbelievable.  Hundreds of hours?  At $100/hr for 500 man-hours, that's 50K.  Plus, they only dropped 3 places!  What are they doing at the schools with the big drops?  The "Apollo Project" is both an insult to NASA and to all of us.

I agree to a certain extent that the rankings are bogus.  You have a series of arbitrary criteria, so arbitrary that when other seemingly random factors are used, Cooley ends up T14!  I think people need to think more about what matters to them like the school's city, or whether it's regional/national.  Also, the idea of diversity is incredibly random and open to manipulation.

For instance, I knew a girl in ugrad who was 1/16th Native North American.  She was blonde haired, blue eyed, and never even knew this great great grandparent.  I couldn't blaming her for taking the substantial scholarship money - I would've done the same thing.  But it just goes to show you that statistics are only as reliable as the person reporting.  Does anybody even buy USNWR any other times during the year?  :D

That being said, I'm not going to minimize the impact of the rankings too much, as I'm sure employers pick up a copy, but it's just an interesting phenomenon on these boards that when the rankings leak people go crazy.

Just some thoughts.  Thanks.
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Post by: Penn263 on March 31, 2008, 05:02:51 PM
"Hundreds of hours of sophisticated thought by alumni, faculty and staff have gone into this project, informally dubbed the Apollo Project."

Unbelievable.  Hundreds of hours?  At $100/hr for 500 man-hours, that's 50K.  Plus, they only dropped 3 places!  What are they doing at the schools with the big drops?  The "Apollo Project" is both an insult to NASA and to all of us.

I agree to a certain extent that the rankings are bogus.  You have a series of arbitrary criteria, so arbitrary that when other seemingly random factors are used, Cooley ends up T14!  I think people need to think more about what matters to them like the school's city, or whether it's regional/national.  Also, the idea of diversity is incredibly random and open to manipulation.

For instance, I knew a girl in ugrad who was 1/16th Native North American.  She was blonde haired, blue eyed, and never even knew this great great grandparent.  I couldn't blaming her for taking the substantial scholarship money - I would've done the same thing.  But it just goes to show you that statistics are only as reliable as the person reporting.  Does anybody even buy USNWR any other times during the year?  :D

That being said, I'm not going to minimize the impact of the rankings too much, as I'm sure employers pick up a copy, but it's just an interesting phenomenon on these boards that when the rankings leak people go crazy.

Just some thoughts.  Thanks.

If you don't identify with your minority status, you shouldn't claim it.  That's ridiculous.  She's not adding any diversity value to the school, and that's why she's getting her scholarship.  I got a large AA bump, so I do appreciate it, but for those that it's valid for.  Argh.

Everyone adds to diversity...
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Post by: Penn263 on March 31, 2008, 05:04:51 PM

If you don't identify with your minority status, you shouldn't claim it.  That's ridiculous.  She's not adding any diversity value to the school, and that's why she's getting her scholarship.  I got a large AA bump, so I do appreciate it, but for those that it's valid for.  Argh.
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Everyone adds to diversity...
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Post by: Penn263 on March 31, 2008, 05:05:37 PM

If you don't identify with your minority status, you shouldn't claim it.  That's ridiculous.  She's not adding any diversity value to the school, and that's why she's getting her scholarship.  I got a large AA bump, so I do appreciate it, but for those that it's valid for.  Argh.
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Everyone adds to diversity...
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Post by: R.P. McMurphy on March 31, 2008, 05:30:23 PM

If you don't identify with your minority status, you shouldn't claim it.  That's ridiculous.  She's not adding any diversity value to the school, and that's why she's getting her scholarship.  I got a large AA bump, so I do appreciate it, but for those that it's valid for.  Argh.

Everyone adds to diversity...
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wait i'm confused...who adds to diversity?
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Post by: jack24 on April 01, 2008, 10:32:10 AM
I think there is more to diversity than skin color or foreign experience.

People with severe medical trauma in their history, students that come from broken families, athletes, hippies,  etc.
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Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 01, 2008, 02:31:22 PM
I think there is more to diversity than skin color or foreign experience.

People with severe medical trauma in their history, students that come from broken families, athletes, hippies,  etc.

Damn Hippies...
Title: Re: RATINGS HAVE LEAKED. ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. (Also top 100 typed up!)
Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 01, 2008, 02:42:40 PM
I think there is more to diversity than skin color or foreign experience.

People with severe medical trauma in their history, students that come from broken families, athletes, hippies,  etc.

Damn Hippies...

somebody sounds bitter at the university of california at berkeley school of law!  :D  ;)

MMMMMMMMMMaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyybbbbbbeeeeeeeeee
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Post by: yoyodawg on April 02, 2008, 05:11:42 PM
A little off topic here, (but maybe not since I'm talking about the title to this thread) but why would "all HELL break loose" because the USNWR rankings came out? I didn't see any fighting on the streets or people burning cars or anything crazy last week....

Oh that's right, the people that really care about this crap were all in front of their computers. Kinda hard to induce a "HELL" when you're playing "Second Life" and furiously refreshing the button for unread replies to your posts on LSD.

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Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 02, 2008, 05:15:59 PM
A little off topic here, (but maybe not since I'm talking about the title to this thread) but why would "all HELL break loose" because the USNWR rankings came out? I didn't see any fighting on the streets or people burning cars or anything crazy last week....

Oh that's right, the people that really care about this crap were all in front of their computers. Kinda hard to induce a "HELL" when you're playing "Second Life" and furiously refreshing the button for unread replies to your posts on LSD.



I have never even HEARD of "Second Life."  The furiously refreshing thing...well...would you believe I've never heard of that either?  ;)
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Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 02, 2008, 06:06:51 PM
A little off topic here, (but maybe not since I'm talking about the title to this thread) but why would "all HELL break loose" because the USNWR rankings came out? I didn't see any fighting on the streets or people burning cars or anything crazy last week....

it was obviously said tongue in cheek.  and honestly, can you at least TRY not to sound bitter?  thanks.

The rankings were not as kind to some of us as they were to others...  ;)
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Post by: BlueGreen on April 02, 2008, 06:38:01 PM
A little off topic here, (but maybe not since I'm talking about the title to this thread) but why would "all HELL break loose" because the USNWR rankings came out? I didn't see any fighting on the streets or people burning cars or anything crazy last week....

Oh that's right, the people that really care about this crap were all in front of their computers. Kinda hard to induce a "HELL" when you're playing "Second Life" and furiously refreshing the button for unread replies to your posts on LSD.



hey how is Second Life? i've been meaning to play for ages (after seeing it on CSI and Law and Order SVU) but never got around to it.
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Post by: yoyodawg on April 02, 2008, 07:51:54 PM
A little off topic here, (but maybe not since I'm talking about the title to this thread) but why would "all HELL break loose" because the USNWR rankings came out? I didn't see any fighting on the streets or people burning cars or anything crazy last week....

it was obviously said tongue in cheek.  and honestly, can you at least TRY not to sound bitter?  thanks.

I will if you at lest TRY not to sound like a smart aSS everytime you reply to something. 
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Post by: stricly bricly on April 02, 2008, 08:01:22 PM
second life?  really?
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Post by: BlueGreen on April 03, 2008, 12:54:33 AM
second life?  really?

*shrug* i'm a geek.
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Post by: dobson on April 03, 2008, 01:14:06 AM
A little off topic here, (but maybe not since I'm talking about the title to this thread) but why would "all HELL break loose" because the USNWR rankings came out? I didn't see any fighting on the streets or people burning cars or anything crazy last week....

Oh that's right, the people that really care about this crap were all in front of their computers. Kinda hard to induce a "HELL" when you're playing "Second Life" and furiously refreshing the button for unread replies to your posts on LSD.



hey how is Second Life? i've been meaning to play for ages (after seeing it on CSI and Law and Order SVU) but never got around to it.

it's like world of warcraft without the raids.
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Post by: yoyodawg on April 03, 2008, 08:32:27 AM
A little off topic here, (but maybe not since I'm talking about the title to this thread) but why would "all HELL break loose" because the USNWR rankings came out? I didn't see any fighting on the streets or people burning cars or anything crazy last week....

it was obviously said tongue in cheek.  and honestly, can you at least TRY not to sound bitter?  thanks.

I will if you at lest TRY not to sound like a smart aSS everytime you reply to something. 

no problem.  i will try my utmost not to sound like a smart aSS everytime i reply to something in general.  please note, however, that this does not preclude my sounding like a smart aSS everytime i reply to you in particular.

 ::) Don't you need to go delete all of your past posts or something?
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Post by: juancarlos on April 03, 2008, 10:11:38 AM
If you don't identify with your minority status, you shouldn't claim it.  That's ridiculous.  She's not adding any diversity value to the school, and that's why she's getting her scholarship.  I got a large AA bump, so I do appreciate it, but for those that it's valid for.  Argh.
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You know what really makes me mad about the whole AA thing is minorities who claim it but should have no right at all to its benefits. I know a black kid going to Harvard this year, he got in everywhere he applied with lower numbers then mine (I did not claim urm for my own reasons) and his dad is a Dr. and his mom is an executive for a big oil company. He went to private schools his whole life and never had to want for anything. AA was not meant for him. What about the white guy who had to struggle out of the poor south to be successful, now he gets bumped because this ass hole gets preference. Make no sense to me
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Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 03, 2008, 10:17:10 AM
If you don't identify with your minority status, you shouldn't claim it.  That's ridiculous.  She's not adding any diversity value to the school, and that's why she's getting her scholarship.  I got a large AA bump, so I do appreciate it, but for those that it's valid for.  Argh.
You know what really makes me mad about the whole AA thing is minorities who claim it but should have no right at all to its benefits. I know a black kid going to Harvard this year, he got in everywhere he applied with lower numbers then mine (I did not claim urm for my own reasons) and his dad is a Dr. and his mom is an executive for a big oil company. He went to private schools his whole life and never had to want for anything. AA was not meant for him. What about the white guy who had to struggle out of the poor south to be successful, now he gets bumped because this ass hole gets preference. Make no sense to me
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I am also in favor of a more socio-economic AA system.  The problem is that one could argue that AA is meant to rectify past discrimination based on race rather than class.  I tend to prefer the idea that AA, if it is useful, is useful insofar as it focuses on POTENTIAL rather than just past achievement.