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Title: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: charlottem on March 12, 2008, 10:12:28 AM
Every black female I see at law school does not deserve to be there.  I will assume she is there because of AA.  I will assume she is less intelligent than her classmates.  I will assume that she will find it hard to graduate.  AA - making an ass out of YOU and ME.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on March 12, 2008, 10:13:54 AM
xoxo?
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: mikephelps on March 12, 2008, 10:39:50 AM
Every black female I see at law school does not deserve to be there.  I will assume she is there because of AA.  I will assume she is less intelligent than her classmates.  I will assume that she will find it hard to graduate.  AA - making an ass out of YOU and ME.
I think you could have put that in a more constructive, less bitchy kinda way.  I just looked at LSN and saw that someone got into W&M with a 144 LSAT.  Of course that person is going to black and female.  That doesn't mean, however, that she is stupid.  I disagree with AA based on color.  For all we know, Ms 144 LSAT is rich and had the best of schooling, and doesn't deserve that kind of break, but she got it, so let's keep the conversation respectful.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: Clayton on March 12, 2008, 09:49:37 PM
One should also consider that a white student of the same background/location recieves no special treatment.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: steuby on March 12, 2008, 10:17:55 PM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: Chakrabarty on March 12, 2008, 10:43:59 PM
Good thing you don't have to worry about the black thing or the 175 thing.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: steuby on March 12, 2008, 11:25:06 PM
Good thing you don't have to worry about the black thing or the 175 thing.

was that an unnecessary snide remark?
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on March 26, 2008, 04:33:17 AM
Every black female I see at law school does not deserve to be there.  I will assume she is there because of AA.  I will assume she is less intelligent than her classmates.  I will assume that she will find it hard to graduate.  AA - making an ass out of YOU and ME.


Why black females?  I thought both black males and females got the same unfair advantage.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on March 26, 2008, 06:41:47 PM
Every white male I see at law school I am going to assume that they would not have been able to get the LSAT score and GPA (at the T25 UG school they attended) that they did if they had had the same heritage/trials as contemporary African Americans. 


heritage/trials as contemporary African Americans?

Does AA only apply to graduate school?  Many minorities got into their 4 year T25 school with the help of AA.  When does the actual education overcome the 'heritage/trials' of contemporary African Americans.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: OperaAttorney on March 27, 2008, 05:48:58 PM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on March 28, 2008, 06:16:07 AM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on March 28, 2008, 07:32:43 AM
You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

oh no, the world is so unfair!  you're such a victim!

anti-aa trolls crack me up.


Uh, huh. 
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: OperaAttorney on March 29, 2008, 11:06:16 AM
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I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school.

You shouldn't do that anyway.

Agreed. It's just like the people who share their scholly amounts on LSD & TLS.  I don't get it--I was raised to keep things like that to myself.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: OperaAttorney on March 29, 2008, 11:08:10 AM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

Oh, dear! Are you still bitter about your failure to penetrate the T6?  :(
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: steuby on March 29, 2008, 11:49:10 AM
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I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school.

You shouldn't do that anyway.

Agreed. It's just like the people who share their scholly amounts on LSD & TLS.  I don't get it--I was raised to keep things like that to myself.

Well, LSD is designed to help people understand the whole process, scholarships included. I don't see posting info like that on an impersonal board like this as gloating, etc.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: OperaAttorney on March 29, 2008, 02:28:25 PM
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I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school.

You shouldn't do that anyway.

Agreed. It's just like the people who share their scholly amounts on LSD & TLS.  I don't get it--I was raised to keep things like that to myself.

Well, LSD is designed to help people understand the whole process, scholarships included. I don't see posting info like that on an impersonal board like this as gloating, etc.

That's one way to look at it :).
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on March 29, 2008, 03:06:47 PM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

Oh, dear! Are you still bitter about your failure to penetrate the T6?  :(



Awwwwwww, snap, girlfriend!

I was just giving friendly advice as far as the whole  :) ;) :D ;D is concerned.   Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary.  It would have been more polite to say 'thank you', and never do it again. 
The crack about the T6 was uncalled for and factually incorrect. 
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: El_Che on March 29, 2008, 04:10:43 PM
I think people are starting to trickle over from xoxo and jdunderground more and more these days....
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on March 30, 2008, 04:12:20 AM
Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary. 

you've done a scientific study on this or are you just generalizing based on a limited data set?


Oh girl, Harvard did a study and it was all proven and stuff.   Thanks for your contribution.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on March 30, 2008, 07:11:31 AM
Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary. 

you've done a scientific study on this or are you just generalizing based on a limited data set?

Oh girl, Harvard did a study and it was all proven and stuff.   Thanks for your contribution.

so more the latter.  got it.

Awwwww, snap.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on March 31, 2008, 07:12:58 AM
Awwwww, snap.

are you done with this schtick now?

You edit a lot after posting, don't you?  That's the second time you've replied to me and changed something when I look at it again. 
Is your assertion that I use 'schtick' based on a scientific study or are you just generalizing based on a limited data set?
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: OperaAttorney on March 31, 2008, 07:02:04 PM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

Oh, dear! Are you still bitter about your failure to penetrate the T6?  :(



Awwwwwww, snap, girlfriend!

I was just giving friendly advice as far as the whole  :) ;) :D ;D is concerned.   Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary.  It would have been more polite to say 'thank you', and never do it again. 
The crack about the T6 was uncalled for and factually incorrect. 

Most people, Eastend? You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.

And the "crack about the T6"? Now that was appropriate and is in fact correct.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on April 01, 2008, 07:29:12 AM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

Oh, dear! Are you still bitter about your failure to penetrate the T6?  :(



Awwwwwww, snap, girlfriend!

I was just giving friendly advice as far as the whole  :) ;) :D ;D is concerned.   Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary.  It would have been more polite to say 'thank you', and never do it again. 
The crack about the T6 was uncalled for and factually incorrect. 

Most people, Eastend? You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.

And the "crack about the T6"? Now that was appropriate and is in fact correct.

I'm embarrassed for you.  When do you sit the LSAT?
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: OperaAttorney on April 01, 2008, 09:08:45 AM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

Oh, dear! Are you still bitter about your failure to penetrate the T6?  :(



Awwwwwww, snap, girlfriend!

I was just giving friendly advice as far as the whole  :) ;) :D ;D is concerned.   Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary.  It would have been more polite to say 'thank you', and never do it again. 
The crack about the T6 was uncalled for and factually incorrect. 

Most people, Eastend? You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.

And the "crack about the T6"? Now that was appropriate and is in fact correct.

I'm embarrassed for you.  When do you sit the LSAT?

Don't be, Eastend.  :) ;) :D ;D :) ;) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Worry about YOUR shame and bitterness.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on April 01, 2008, 10:40:47 AM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

Oh, dear! Are you still bitter about your failure to penetrate the T6?  :(



Awwwwwww, snap, girlfriend!

I was just giving friendly advice as far as the whole  :) ;) :D ;D is concerned.   Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary.  It would have been more polite to say 'thank you', and never do it again. 
The crack about the T6 was uncalled for and factually incorrect. 

Most people, Eastend? You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.

And the "crack about the T6"? Now that was appropriate and is in fact correct.

I'm embarrassed for you.  When do you sit the LSAT?

Don't be, Eastend.  :) ;) :D ;D :) ;) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Worry about YOUR shame and bitterness.



Dang girl, don't hold back.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: calhata on April 01, 2008, 03:48:58 PM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

Oh, dear! Are you still bitter about your failure to penetrate the T6?  :(



Awwwwwww, snap, girlfriend!

I was just giving friendly advice as far as the whole  :) ;) :D ;D is concerned.   Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary.  It would have been more polite to say 'thank you', and never do it again. 
The crack about the T6 was uncalled for and factually incorrect. 

Most people, Eastend? You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.

And the "crack about the T6"? Now that was appropriate and is in fact correct.

I'm embarrassed for you.  When do you sit the LSAT?

Don't be, Eastend.  :) ;) :D ;D :) ;) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Worry about YOUR shame and bitterness.



Dang girl, don't hold back.



Hey girl, you look like that?
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: OperaAttorney on April 01, 2008, 09:24:35 PM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

Oh, dear! Are you still bitter about your failure to penetrate the T6?  :(



Awwwwwww, snap, girlfriend!

I was just giving friendly advice as far as the whole  :) ;) :D ;D is concerned.   Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary.  It would have been more polite to say 'thank you', and never do it again. 
The crack about the T6 was uncalled for and factually incorrect. 

Most people, Eastend? You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.

And the "crack about the T6"? Now that was appropriate and is in fact correct.

I'm embarrassed for you.  When do you sit the LSAT?

Don't be, Eastend.  :) ;) :D ;D :) ;) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Worry about YOUR shame and bitterness.



Dang girl, don't hold back.

"Girl"?  Your attempt at comeuppance is weak and witless, Eastend.  ;D
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on April 02, 2008, 03:35:39 AM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).


You're funny.  I think all your posturing is your way of convincing yourself that race based AA is fair.  I bet your praying for a good score so you can trumpet it to all who'll listen.   P.S.  ;)  :o  ???  ::) = a 147 on the LSAT.

Oh, dear! Are you still bitter about your failure to penetrate the T6?  :(



Awwwwwww, snap, girlfriend!

I was just giving friendly advice as far as the whole  :) ;) :D ;D is concerned.   Most people who do that tend do be, um, how to put this delicately, mm, let's say, they tend to be somewhat limited in their vocabulary.  It would have been more polite to say 'thank you', and never do it again. 
The crack about the T6 was uncalled for and factually incorrect. 

Most people, Eastend? You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.

And the "crack about the T6"? Now that was appropriate and is in fact correct.


You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.


You said a very similar thing to Lindbergh and to one of the other anti AA people.  We discussed it.  I told you to stop the personal attacks, and to stop being such a little female dog.

Insert bitchy reply here - I know you can't help yourself.

So, AA got you into your UG.  It's going to get you into a better law school.  At what point did you expect to get anywhere solely on your own merits?

Insert bitchy comment here.

Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: filet o' fish on April 02, 2008, 06:02:08 AM
You're such a f-ing feminine hygiene product it's almost unfathomable.

Why are you wasting your time flaming your ridiculous opinions on an internet messageboard? Surely you're not interested in a bigger agenda, or worthy discussion, or anything else that seems meaningful. You're here to flame, period. Which makes me think you need a venue to spout your inane opinions because you're too much of a f-ing female private part and/or tool to do it in real life, which also makes me think you're just an insecure little stooge hiding in the back of his or her law school course hoping you're never taken to task for the *&^% you spew.

Good luck with all of that.  :-*
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on April 02, 2008, 06:14:08 AM
This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: Rhymnoceros on April 02, 2008, 06:19:56 AM
Most people, Eastend? You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.

And the "crack about the T6"? Now that was appropriate and is in fact correct.

she says that she got a columbia admit somewhere else, so unless she's lying it's actually incorrect.

Note to self: withdraw from Columbia.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on April 02, 2008, 07:34:27 AM
You're such a f-ing feminine hygiene product it's almost unfathomable.

Why are you wasting your time flaming your ridiculous opinions on an internet messageboard? Surely you're not interested in a bigger agenda, or worthy discussion, or anything else that seems meaningful. You're here to flame, period. Which makes me think you need a venue to spout your inane opinions because you're too much of a f-ing female private part and/or tool to do it in real life, which also makes me think you're just an insecure little stooge hiding in the back of his or her law school course hoping you're never taken to task for the poo you spew.

Good luck with all of that.  :-*


Operaguy's more butch alter ego?
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on April 02, 2008, 07:41:49 AM
This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on April 02, 2008, 07:59:46 AM
This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

Be that as it may, its a conservative position.  Regardless, I understand the argument that you shouldnt worry about what other peoples results are, but when you see a system like LSN that highlights the racist recruiting policies of many institutions, I think that frustration is well founded. 

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

But what about sex based AA? I mean its seems your in law school now becuase sex based AA worked so well in the past that its no longer needed. Perhapse race based AA will get to that point as well?

When does race based AA end?  What goal should be attained?  For gender its pretty reasonable: 50/50.  For race, must each college admissions report reflect a mirror image of the US Census pie chart of race in america?  And if it reaches that, stops, and suddenly asians and whites take up 75% of the pie, does it restart next year?
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: OperaAttorney on April 02, 2008, 08:32:29 AM
You're such a f-ing feminine hygiene product it's almost unfathomable.

Why are you wasting your time flaming your ridiculous opinions on an internet messageboard? Surely you're not interested in a bigger agenda, or worthy discussion, or anything else that seems meaningful. You're here to flame, period. Which makes me think you need a venue to spout your inane opinions because you're too much of a f-ing female private part and/or tool to do it in real life, which also makes me think you're just an insecure little stooge hiding in the back of his or her law school course hoping you're never taken to task for the poo you spew.

Good luck with all of that.  :-*


Operaguy's more butch alter ego?

No, Eastend. If I had wanted to indulge in namecalling--your pedestrian version of the verbal duel--I would have (quite simply) called you a BITTER B*I*T*C*H.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on April 02, 2008, 08:57:27 AM
This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

Be that as it may, its a conservative position.  Regardless, I understand the argument that you shouldnt worry about what other peoples results are, but when you see a system like LSN that highlights the racist recruiting policies of many institutions, I think that frustration is well founded. 

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

But what about sex based AA? I mean its seems your in law school now becuase sex based AA worked so well in the past that its no longer needed. Perhapse race based AA will get to that point as well?

When does race based AA end?  What goal should be attained?  For gender its pretty reasonable: 50/50.  For race, must each college admissions report reflect a mirror image of the US Census pie chart of race in america?  And if it reaches that, stops, and suddenly asians and whites take up 75% of the pie, does it restart next year?

I think it ends as did sex based AA when the majority of those applying could get in based on their numbers alone and it becomes a non issue, not on a lack of representation at a specific institution. It was not if one day we said ok all schools are open to women and the next day 50% of the population applied to be admitted, It took some time for the number of women going to school to reach that point (because of past social pressure that higher education was not their place). During this time “better-qualified” men lost out on getting into schools so those schools could meet a quota of female students.

However, do to the roughly 50% of the population being female this took far less time to come to fruition than would have been the case had women only been 10% of the population (although even the magority of females where also white). The fact of the matter is AA was invented for women; minorities came along later, and after seeing how effective it was for women, have tried to emulate that success. So long as white males tend to dominate higher education and the legal profession others will feel the need to change that, AA is often the tool of choice precisely because women are the poster child of its successful use.


As of the '06 census, the Black or African American population was 12%, whereas whites were at about 73%.  (wikipedia, the king of sources.)

Lsac says harvard had a 55% caucasian and an 8.6% black population last year.  If AA were to succeed, these two numbers would be equal.  But if the top schools in the country were all 3/4 white, is that really the program being successful?  I doubt the NAACP would agree.  I understand what your saying about the success of women, but that went along socioeconomic lines.  If there was a real AA I would support, it would be your national identity based on an average of reported taxable earnings over the last 5 years.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on April 02, 2008, 09:55:02 AM
This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

Be that as it may, its a conservative position.  Regardless, I understand the argument that you shouldnt worry about what other peoples results are, but when you see a system like LSN that highlights the racist recruiting policies of many institutions, I think that frustration is well founded. 

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

But what about sex based AA? I mean its seems your in law school now becuase sex based AA worked so well in the past that its no longer needed. Perhapse race based AA will get to that point as well?

When does race based AA end?  What goal should be attained?  For gender its pretty reasonable: 50/50.  For race, must each college admissions report reflect a mirror image of the US Census pie chart of race in america?  And if it reaches that, stops, and suddenly asians and whites take up 75% of the pie, does it restart next year?

I think it ends as did sex based AA when the majority of those applying could get in based on their numbers alone and it becomes a non issue, not on a lack of representation at a specific institution. It was not if one day we said ok all schools are open to women and the next day 50% of the population applied to be admitted, It took some time for the number of women going to school to reach that point (because of past social pressure that higher education was not their place). During this time “better-qualified” men lost out on getting into schools so those schools could meet a quota of female students.

However, do to the roughly 50% of the population being female this took far less time to come to fruition than would have been the case had women only been 10% of the population (although even the magority of females where also white). The fact of the matter is AA was invented for women; minorities came along later, and after seeing how effective it was for women, have tried to emulate that success. So long as white males tend to dominate higher education and the legal profession others will feel the need to change that, AA is often the tool of choice precisely because women are the poster child of its successful use.


As of the '06 census, the Black or African American population was 12%, whereas whites were at about 73%.  (wikipedia, the king of sources.)

Lsac says harvard had a 55% caucasian and an 8.6% black population last year.  If AA were to succeed, these two numbers would be equal.  But if the top schools in the country were all 3/4 white, is that really the program being successful?  I doubt the NAACP would agree.  I understand what your saying about the success of women, but that went along socioeconomic lines.  If there was a real AA I would support, it would be your national identity based on an average of reported taxable earnings over the last 5 years.


So your arguing for AA based on income rather than race or sex or anything genetic?

Id prefer a purely merit based blind selection procedure for college admissions.  But if we have to use AA, i believe that income based selection will benefit dispossessed native americans on welfare rather then the children of a casino owner, the lower middle class white who has never felt any privilege of race in her homogeneous home town, and the inner city african american child who has been failed by still segregated schools.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: filet o' fish on April 02, 2008, 12:35:42 PM
This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

Too many assumptions here to even take this seriously.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: filet o' fish on April 02, 2008, 12:36:22 PM
You're such a f-ing feminine hygiene product it's almost unfathomable.

Why are you wasting your time flaming your ridiculous opinions on an internet messageboard? Surely you're not interested in a bigger agenda, or worthy discussion, or anything else that seems meaningful. You're here to flame, period. Which makes me think you need a venue to spout your inane opinions because you're too much of a f-ing female private part and/or tool to do it in real life, which also makes me think you're just an insecure little stooge hiding in the back of his or her law school course hoping you're never taken to task for the *&^% you spew.

Good luck with all of that.  :-*

i object to your dragging goalie's name into this mud.  change your handle and use your own name!

Does Stanley enjoy fruitcake?
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: filet o' fish on April 02, 2008, 12:39:07 PM
This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge :P.  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

You haven't made a single argument in your entire history on this board.

You flame, you bait, therefore you're a troll.

And you've hardly been respectful. Ass.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: indyguy7484 on April 02, 2008, 12:44:32 PM
Id prefer a purely merit based blind selection procedure for college admissions.  But if we have to use AA, i believe that income based selection will benefit dispossessed native americans on welfare rather then the children of a casino owner, the lower middle class white who has never felt any privilege of race in her homogeneous home town, and the inner city african american child who has been failed by still segregated schools.

I don't really want to get into a raging AA debate, but I'm curious as to your reasoning for the bolded part.  I don't think I've encountered many people who want to move to a system based solely on "merit".
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on April 02, 2008, 12:59:03 PM
Id prefer a purely merit based blind selection procedure for college admissions.  But if we have to use AA, i believe that income based selection will benefit dispossessed native americans on welfare rather then the children of a casino owner, the lower middle class white who has never felt any privilege of race in her homogeneous home town, and the inner city african american child who has been failed by still segregated schools.

I don't really want to get into a ragin AA debate, but I'm curious as to your reasoning for the bolded part.  I don't think I've encountered many people who want to move to a system based solely on "merit".

Lsat score + gpa + extracurriculars/work experience; sans name and location.  Best applicant gets in.  LSAT doesnt seem to show a particular racial bias, though id like to read studies on it, because frankly, a lot of municipalities have rewritten their civil service exams in that exact regards.  GPA does not show racial bias.  And if your extracurriculars happen to be helping inner city children...the adcom salutes you for it, he/she doesn't infer the color of your skin. 
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: indyguy7484 on April 02, 2008, 01:05:14 PM
My concern is that a system like that is hugely preferential to wealthy people.  I guess if you don't think that promoting economic mobility should be a goal of our education policy, though, a merit-only system make sense.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on April 02, 2008, 01:32:00 PM
My concern is that a system like that is hugely preferential to wealthy people.  I guess if you don't think that promoting economic mobility should be a goal of our education policy, though, a merit-only system make sense.

Its not to protect wealth, but to entitle a man to his own sweat.  Economic mobility should be promoted by education, not by a cherry picking external system built into academic bureaucracy.     It doesnt take a wealthy man to eschew a social life for 5 months to study for the LSAT, and it doesnt take a wealthy man to go to a state school, attend class, join a club or two, and get above a 3.0.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: indyguy7484 on April 02, 2008, 01:57:15 PM
I'm still not convinced that a pure meritocracy is any better than the current system, but I do sort of understand your point of view.

Here's a pretty interesting article on the concept of meritocracy in admissions and the general problems associated with it.  I thought it might be worth a read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/books/review/Gessen-t.html?_r=1&sq=samuels%20runner&st=nyt&scp=1&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: filet o' fish on April 02, 2008, 02:21:35 PM
Id prefer a purely merit based blind selection procedure for college admissions.  But if we have to use AA, i believe that income based selection will benefit dispossessed native americans on welfare rather then the children of a casino owner, the lower middle class white who has never felt any privilege of race in her homogeneous home town, and the inner city african american child who has been failed by still segregated schools.

I don't really want to get into a ragin AA debate, but I'm curious as to your reasoning for the bolded part.  I don't think I've encountered many people who want to move to a system based solely on "merit".

Lsat score + gpa + extracurriculars/work experience; sans name and location.  Best applicant gets in.  LSAT doesnt seem to show a particular racial bias, though id like to read studies on it, because frankly, a lot of municipalities have rewritten their civil service exams in that exact regards.  GPA does not show racial bias.  And if your extracurriculars happen to be helping inner city children...the adcom salutes you for it, he/she doesn't infer the color of your skin. 

This ignores far too much.

No person exists in a vacuum. The argument that we are or can be purely "self-made men" of our own "sweat" is absolutely ridiculous.

Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: filet o' fish on April 02, 2008, 02:30:13 PM
My concern is that a system like that is hugely preferential to wealthy people.  I guess if you don't think that promoting economic mobility should be a goal of our education policy, though, a merit-only system make sense.

Its not to protect wealth, but to entitle a man to his own sweat.  Economic mobility should be promoted by education, not by a cherry picking external system built into academic bureaucracy.     It doesnt take a wealthy man to eschew a social life for 5 months to study for the LSAT, and it doesnt take a wealthy man to go to a state school, attend class, join a club or two, and get above a 3.0.


It doesn't.

It does take a lifelong supportive environment to instill those sorts of values and discipline in individuals - family, friends, school systems, etc.

The argument is that there is a strong correlation between wealth and these sorts of support systems needed to make a successful student and person. It's isn't an absolute correlation, and no one is pretending it is, but is there nonetheless.

Strong arguments can be made that race has a discriminatory factor that influences, and/or can go beyond these types of support systems. Hence the (almost universally accepted) need for "diversity" in the work place and educational system (among other reasons).

There will always be self made people, much like there will always be socially made and unmade people. Surely we not ignore one for the sake of the other?
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on April 02, 2008, 02:51:05 PM
Id prefer a purely merit based blind selection procedure for college admissions.  But if we have to use AA, i believe that income based selection will benefit dispossessed native americans on welfare rather then the children of a casino owner, the lower middle class white who has never felt any privilege of race in her homogeneous home town, and the inner city african american child who has been failed by still segregated schools.

I don't really want to get into a ragin AA debate, but I'm curious as to your reasoning for the bolded part.  I don't think I've encountered many people who want to move to a system based solely on "merit".

Lsat score + gpa + extracurriculars/work experience; sans name and location.  Best applicant gets in.  LSAT doesnt seem to show a particular racial bias, though id like to read studies on it, because frankly, a lot of municipalities have rewritten their civil service exams in that exact regards.  GPA does not show racial bias.  And if your extracurriculars happen to be helping inner city children...the adcom salutes you for it, he/she doesn't infer the color of your skin. 

This ignores far too much.

No person exists in a vacuum. The argument that we are or can be purely "self-made men" of our own "sweat" is absolutely ridiculous.



I hear that Allan Greenspan and Ayn Rand disagree with you.  You may not agree but it isnt ridiculous
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: filet o' fish on April 02, 2008, 03:01:44 PM
Lol. Okay.

Tell me you'd be exactly where you are without the support of your parents, without the luck you've had, and the purely fortuitous circumstances (where you grew up, what schools you've attended, friends you've made, etc.) that mark your life from your birth to now.

I'm not suggesting you haven't influenced your position and circumstance through your own efforts and choices; I am suggesting that your own efforts are not the sole reason for who you are and where you are.

Despite what Alan Greenspan and Ayn Rand have to say about it.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on April 02, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Lol. Okay.

Tell me you'd be exactly where you are without the support of your parents, without the luck you've had, and the purely fortuitous circumstances (where you grew up, what schools you've attended, friends you've made, etc.) that mark your life from your birth to now.

I'm not suggesting you haven't influenced your position and circumstance through your own efforts and choices; I am suggesting that your own efforts are not the sole reason for who you are and where you are.

Despite what Alan Greenspan and Ayn Rand have to say about it.

I went to state college where I worked at delis throughout to pay for (almost done paying btw).  I moved out afterwards to work at a chair van company in boston driving old people around because I couldnt find a job.  I made 23k a year.  I moved to NYC with my fiancee while she goes to medical school. I make 30 a year as an office clerk and support her cost of living.  I havent received money or support from my parents in 4 years.  Perhaps they gave me moral grounding, and a good sense about saving money and budgeting, but surely we arent using AA to make up for the lack of work ethic or morals in minorities, nor their ability to pick the wrong crowds and be unlucky, situations which frankly, i do not believe exist in minority populations in a general sense.

Indeed, ive noticed that in minority communities the sense of community is stronger then in Caucasian ones.   

 
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: Clayton on April 02, 2008, 10:34:37 PM
My problem with AA is that it totally ignores white people who live in the same circumstances as the URM's and relegates them into not attending college.

These poor schools are not all black, nor all hispanic, there are white people there too living in the same conditions / same background whom for all intents and purposes get left behind.



I went to one of these schools. I am white, I went to a school that was 88% black, 8% hispanic, 3% white, 1% other. The school was ranked second to last in the north texas area in 2003, the school ranked last was closed down by the state.

I was fortunate and had grandparents with money who paid for my undergrad. My non URM friends were not so lucky, most of them (while intelligent) if they did anything at all, never progressed farther than trade school.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on April 03, 2008, 05:46:32 AM
My concern is that a system like that is hugely preferential to wealthy people.  I guess if you don't think that promoting economic mobility should be a goal of our education policy, though, a merit-only system make sense.

Its not to protect wealth, but to entitle a man to his own sweat.  Economic mobility should be promoted by education, not by a cherry picking external system built into academic bureaucracy.     It doesnt take a wealthy man to eschew a social life for 5 months to study for the LSAT, and it doesnt take a wealthy man to go to a state school, attend class, join a club or two, and get above a 3.0.


It doesn't.

It does take a lifelong supportive environment to instill those sorts of values and discipline in individuals - family, friends, school systems, etc.

The argument is that there is a strong correlation between wealth and these sorts of support systems needed to make a successful student and person. It's isn't an absolute correlation, and no one is pretending it is, but is there nonetheless.

Strong arguments can be made that race has a discriminatory factor that influences, and/or can go beyond these types of support systems. Hence the (almost universally accepted) need for "diversity" in the work place and educational system (among other reasons).

There will always be self made people, much like there will always be socially made and unmade people. Surely we not ignore one for the sake of the other?


'Socially made and unmade'? 


I'm going to try and make an argument, it's my first time, so be gentle.

Race based AA violates basic American democratic values of equality and merit. 
It violates the fundamental moral principle against treating someone differently because of the color of their skin.
Race based AA does not hold minorities to the same standards, so they are less likely to hold themselves to these standards.
The link between inferiority and race is reinforced by preferences.
Race based AA can place minorities in educational environments that are inappropriate for their level of skills and preparation. 
It creates a “spoils system,” in which groups compete for benefits rather than individuals being evaluated on their merits.
It creates increasing cynicism, as academic decisions are believed to be politically motivated.
It undermines the initiative of both those who benefit and those who don’t.
It perpetuates ways of categorizing people.
It suggests that if you're black you have a right to compensation for the substantial systematic violation of your ancestors rights.  This leads to a “Restorative Justice Handicapping System” that would give each individual an AA score, either positive or negative. 
It discounts disadvantage.  You can be advantaged and a minority, and be disadvantaged and white.
It's perfectly reasonable for minorities to support preferences since they will get advantages from them, even if they know that preferences are wrong.













Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on April 03, 2008, 05:50:36 AM
Also, what makes me tilt my head from the outside, is how Afro-Amer Female is judged to be a better URM then Native American.

Slavery>Genocide for admissions?










Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: eastend on April 03, 2008, 06:05:11 AM
Also, what makes me tilt my head from the outside, is how Afro-Amer Female is judged to be a better URM then Native American.

Slavery>Genocide for admissions?

Therein lies the problem.











Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: Ghost on April 03, 2008, 12:23:12 PM
How come everyone has a literal mountain of adversity they've had to overcome?

How come no one, save tm., can admit they've had a really good upbringing?

 ???
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: $Bill on April 03, 2008, 12:40:42 PM
Because the human condition is suffering and conflict?  We all live lives of quiet desperation?  That kind of thing?
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: secondsblue on April 22, 2008, 09:42:28 PM
My problem with AA is that it totally ignores white people who live in the same circumstances as the URM's and relegates them into not attending college.

These poor schools are not all black, nor all hispanic, there are white people there too living in the same conditions / same background whom for all intents and purposes get left behind.



I went to one of these schools. I am white, I went to a school that was 88% black, 8% hispanic, 3% white, 1% other. The school was ranked second to last in the north texas area in 2003, the school ranked last was closed down by the state.

I was fortunate and had grandparents with money who paid for my undergrad. My non URM friends were not so lucky, most of them (while intelligent) if they did anything at all, never progressed farther than trade school.



Nobody gives a load of *&^%. It's all about providing a tangible incentive to garner students from races that have TRADITIONALLY BEEN DENIED EDUCATION. I.e, Native Americans (the white man taking their land and slaughtering them), blacks ("hey, it's some white folks in a big ship! let's see what they want!") and, to a lesser extent, Hispanics.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: Clayton on April 22, 2008, 10:57:25 PM
Don't you see the inconsistencies with such an approach?


Shouldn't such a program help everyone and not categorize them by race?

 If anything it is those with a financial hardship that have been categorically denied opportunity for higher education throughout history; lack of money is something that affects people of every race.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: philosopher on May 10, 2008, 02:40:11 PM
I think the OP is right in the sense that people are going to assume their black classmates are there because of AA (even if unwarranted). I'd hate to be a black person that got a 175 on the LSAT. I'd have a female dog of a time convincing people I was there out of merit :D


I wouldn't waste a second trying to convince some sorry hater that I deserve to be @ X Law School.  The only people I'll worry about are my professors; for them, my work will speak for itself.  Any student pathetic enough to waste mental energy on such inconsequential nonsense, such as my supposed "inferiority," will just have to get used to seeing me around.  I've already made my decision: I will not share my #s (even if I score a 175 on the JUNE LSAT LOL) with anyone @ my future law school. They'll just have to wonder...or squirm ;).

Totally love this.  Quit worrying about your classmates and worry about YOURSELF!
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: philosopher on May 10, 2008, 02:43:32 PM
Don't you see the inconsistencies with such an approach?


Shouldn't such a program help everyone and not categorize them by race?

 If anything it is those with a financial hardship that have been categorically denied opportunity for higher education throughout history; lack of money is something that affects people of every race.

Lack of money does affect every race but in some cases it can be easier for a white person to go out and get a job to pay for school.
Title: Re: I'm going to assume that.....
Post by: myfriendtoldmeimkeen on May 19, 2008, 01:44:02 PM
Don't you see the inconsistencies with such an approach?


Shouldn't such a program help everyone and not categorize them by race?

 If anything it is those with a financial hardship that have been categorically denied opportunity for higher education throughout history; lack of money is something that affects people of every race.

Lack of money does affect every race but in some cases it can be easier for a white person to go out and get a job to pay for school.

Excatly right... In SOME cases. AA puts a blanket over everyone and says if you're a URM you must have been more disadvantaged than a white kid.