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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: cupcake315 on March 01, 2008, 06:46:37 PM

Title: Seton Hall
Post by: cupcake315 on March 01, 2008, 06:46:37 PM
Okay, so I just got into Seton Hall part time evenings. I've also been accepted to NYLS, Pace, McGeorge, Suffolk, and Lewis&Clark all full time, and waitlisted at Villanova and Penn State. Seton Hall is the highest ranked of my choices, but I really only applied part time to increase my chances of getting in, with little desire to actually go to school part time. If I go, I plan on trying to transfer into full time after my first semester. Would you choose SHU PT over any of those schools listed FT? I'm deferred at Rutgers Newark FT and would go there over all the rest if I get in. Any thoughts though if those end up being my only choices? PS- Cost is fortunately not an issue, and I hope to work in a medium sized firm in the tri-state..not interested biglaw

also waiting on St. Johns and Brooklyn PT
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: whohoo on March 02, 2008, 05:08:48 AM
Good question. Still waiting on Seton Hall PT and accepted to a number of Tier 4's (NESL,Roger Williams, Western NE,Widener some with significant $$$'s). Still waiting on a number of other Tier 3's like Suffolk,Albany, Quinnipiac, Pace.  Think I would rather do Seton Hall since it's close to home and much better ranked and well known in my area.I guess the question is would I be better off going FT at a tier 3 or 4 and trying to transfer or should I just start PT at SHLS and try to move to the FT program after one or two semesters. Assuming I can get in of course? I would lean to the PT at SHLS - seems less risky. What's your thinking?
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: nealric on March 02, 2008, 06:51:07 AM
Unless you are dead set on NY I would choose lewis and clark. Beautiful area and a less competative legal market.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: nerdmeist on March 04, 2008, 05:27:08 AM
I was just wait listed at Seton Hall for full-time.  There's a question on the waitlist letter about whether or not I'd be interested in going part time.  I've pretty much made up my mind about NYLS, but a friend of mine told me to seriously consider Seton Hall part time and transfer up after the first semester.

So I'm going to consider it.  It definitely has its positive aspects for me:  strong health law program, associated with UMDNJ, mental health clinic/program.

I'm confused.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: cupcake315 on March 04, 2008, 10:36:06 AM
Yea i'm basically in the same position deciding between NYLS FT and SH PT. I guess it's going to come down to how I feel when I visit both, but I'm leaning toward SH PT with the hopes of transferring to full time after a semester. Although nyls' location def has a one up on SH....if you choose SH, do you have any idea on where you plan on living?
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: nerdmeist on March 04, 2008, 11:36:31 AM
Yea i'm basically in the same position deciding between NYLS FT and SH PT. I guess it's going to come down to how I feel when I visit both, but I'm leaning toward SH PT with the hopes of transferring to full time after a semester. Although nyls' location def has a one up on SH....if you choose SH, do you have any idea on where you plan on living?

Whether I go to NYLS, SHL, Rutgers, Cardozo (as much as I doubt this one), I will be moving in with a friend in downtown Jersey City.  It's an easy commute, by Path, to any one of the schools.  My only other option is Pace, with their small dorms.  I'm not sure I could do that.  I'd rather dish out the extra dough and live on my own (or in this case, with a friend.)
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: citykid on April 04, 2008, 09:08:42 AM
I've also been accepted to Seton Hall part-time but via the LEO summer institute (for minorities and economically disadvantaged students, etc) with some money. I'm in a similar boat. Still waiting on Rutgers and St. John's (both pt, but I'm willing to transfer to ft or pt at a higher ranked school).

I'm an Ivy League grad with good grades but *&^% lsat scores (twice taken, traumatic experiences, bad concentration, got sick) so I've been wodering what to do..Take the money at Seton and try to do well or keep studying for the entire summer and fall until I can LEARN how to relax and take a decent LSAT exam...

Anyone out there with some sain advice? Thanks.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: nealric on April 04, 2008, 04:01:49 PM
Quote

I'm an Ivy League grad with good grades but poo lsat scores (twice taken, traumatic experiences, bad concentration, got sick) so I've been wodering what to do..Take the money at Seton and try to do well or keep studying for the entire summer and fall until I can LEARN how to relax and take a decent LSAT exam...

For the love of all that is good and holy retake the LSAT ^
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: mel0515 on April 07, 2008, 11:15:17 AM
I have been accepted to Seton Hall P/T as well. I hear that it's fairly easy to transfer to F/T depending on your grades. I haven't received any money yet so I am holding out. I still haven't heard from St. Johns(which is freaking me out because I applied in November) but I have narrowed it down to Louisville F/T or Seton Hall P/T. Any suggestions on housing in Newark? Also, did anyone go to their admitted students open house on 3/28?
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: cupcake315 on April 07, 2008, 04:54:03 PM
Melbel--  i  haven't heard from St. Johns either and I applied in December. As far as housing in Newark, there are a few options depending on your price range. When I went to the ASD on 3/28 they took us on a tour of 2 apt complexes that a few students live in. One was the Union Building which was decent enough with decent prices (cant recall exact prices) and the other was called Eleven80 which was gorgeous -- you didn't feel like you were in Newark at all, but also way more expensive. If I attend Seton Hall, I'll probably live in Hoboken or Jersey City (I dk if you are familiar with NJ) but Newark isn't a great place. The school is surrrounded by the nicest area with a lot going on and a lot of security, but I know a lot of the SH students live in Hoboken or JC, some even Manhattan, because Newark is just not that desirable. Also, the public transportation into Newark from all of the above is pretty easy.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: JeaniusIsMe on April 08, 2008, 12:14:20 PM
I also applied to St. John's in December and still haven't heard, so I'm sending in my Seton Hall deposit today.  I really liked the feel of the campus, and the improved rankings certainly made me more comfortable with it.   I'm from Chicago and know nothing about New Jersey, so I was planning on living in Eleven80 or the Union Building- but anyone who can offer a better idea of where to live would be greatly appreciated (how far are Jersey City/Hoboken from Newark- are they on the PATH?).
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: mel0515 on April 09, 2008, 06:20:27 PM
Cupcake: I called St. John's today and was informed that my file was being held for possible admission into a Summer Institute that they are offering. She told me that they wouldn't make a decision until the end of the month. Maybe that's the case with your file. I don't know why they didn't let people know that in the first place. Thanks for the advice about Newark. I have heard that it was a bad area from several people. I am looking to stay in Jersey City if I move there. Hoboken is too expensive for me. I still have more options to weigh but I gave myself a deadline of April 30. Are you any closer to a decision?
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: logflume on April 09, 2008, 07:26:26 PM
Cupcake: I called St. John's today and was informed that my file was being held for possible admission into a Summer Institute that they are offering. She told me that they wouldn't make a decision until the end of the month. Maybe that's the case with your file. I don't know why they didn't let people know that in the first place. Thanks for the advice about Newark. I have heard that it was a bad area from several people. I am looking to stay in Jersey City if I move there. Hoboken is too expensive for me. I still have more options to weigh but I gave myself a deadline of April 30. Are you any closer to a decision?

The good thing about SHU is it is right next to the train station, not only for the PATH trains to Jersey City, Hoboken and Manhattan...but also for the NJ Transit trains.  Both the NE Corridor Line and the North Jersey Coast Line run through Newark Penn Station.  The lines split at a town called Rahway and they have a lot of apts. right near the train station...so that's a place to check out if you want to save $$$ and still be 20-30 mins from school.  Driving into Newark is the pits, so you'd want to look at an option where public transit is a possibility.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: citykid on April 10, 2008, 09:48:51 AM
Seton Hall- Anyone interested in living in the Eleven Eighty or Union Sq. let's get together and meet up! I was also looking at their websites (I guess a lot of students live there)- the apartments seem nice and I'm thinking of moving right before the semester starts.

Diddo on St. John's...I applied in Jan and still heaven't heard back. Same goes for Rutgers :(
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: JeaniusIsMe on April 13, 2008, 08:59:35 PM
I'm pretty sure I'll be living in Union Square or eleven80.  Have to make a trip or two this summer out to Newark with the parents to check out the apartments though.  But I'll be moving in shortly before the semester begins in August.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: dekocards on April 13, 2008, 09:05:56 PM
I also applied to St. John's in December and still haven't heard, so I'm sending in my Seton Hall deposit today.  I really liked the feel of the campus, and the improved rankings certainly made me more comfortable with it.   I'm from Chicago and know nothing about New Jersey, so I was planning on living in Eleven80 or the Union Building- but anyone who can offer a better idea of where to live would be greatly appreciated (how far are Jersey City/Hoboken from Newark- are they on the PATH?).

I recommend living in Jersey City.  The rents are still cheap and the area is improving.  I'd say it's 15 minutes on the path to Newark.  There is some night life and you can get into Manhattan or Hoboken quickly.  My friend lives near Journal Square and it's a decent place for a student to live.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: JeaniusIsMe on April 14, 2008, 08:30:58 PM
dekocards: Thanks for the advice.  I'm looking more into Jersey City now.  I'm planning on visiting probably in late May or early June to look at the area a bit more.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: difinity on April 15, 2008, 12:08:14 PM
I went to the ASD, merit scholars dinner, and champaign brunch and was really impressed with SHU.  One thing though, I stumbled across some pretty harsh criticism of Dean Hobbs and the school.  Normally I just assume rants are elitism or self hatred being projected, but I'm a little unnerved by some of the stuff that comes up when you google "valvoline dean."  Anyone want to reassure me? :)
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: Jmart603 on April 15, 2008, 07:51:57 PM
congrats on shu. with regards to transferring pt to fulltime, you do it after you first year (no option after first semester), take 2 classes at night over the summer. and you can definitly do it as long as your first year gpa is over a 2.8 (about the top 75% of the class id guess...i wanna say the curve is for 1st yr classes is around a 3.0). if its under that they won't let u. but if u got the grades, its real easy. they usually say about half the pt class transfers to ft.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: citykid on May 01, 2008, 10:50:56 AM
Wow, did I just see a 2.8 is top 60%? Is this a typo or actually true?
Seems like a really harsh curve....
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: cupcake315 on May 04, 2008, 09:55:07 PM
I've decided on Seton Hall, and have visited Jersey city and hoboken the last two weekends...and while Hoboken is really great, I've really fallen in love with the newport area of JC, they are both pricey though.. does anyone know how long the commute is from the Exchange Place/Newport path station in JC to Newark penn station?
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: onechu82 on May 05, 2008, 06:03:24 AM
I also paid 1st deposit to Seton Hall, although I am still waiting on couple other schools.  How much are the average rent price in Jersey City and/or Hoboken area?  Anybody looked into those school-sponsored apartments nearby the school?
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: dekocards on May 05, 2008, 07:18:52 AM
I've decided on Seton Hall, and have visited Jersey city and hoboken the last two weekends...and while Hoboken is really great, I've really fallen in love with the newport area of JC, they are both pricey though.. does anyone know how long the commute is from the Exchange Place/Newport path station in JC to Newark penn station?

The commute time varies significantly on the time of day.  The trains are infrequent at night, so you'll spend more time waiting if you don't ride during rush-hour (although you will probably enjoy the ride a lot more without someone's elbow in your face).  I think the ride itself is fairly short, 15 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: GodspeedMUFC on May 05, 2008, 09:08:03 AM
Is anyone going to the SHU event at Simpson Thacher on the 15th?
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: cupcake315 on May 05, 2008, 12:47:31 PM
I also paid 1st deposit to Seton Hall, although I am still waiting on couple other schools.  How much are the average rent price in Jersey City and/or Hoboken area?  Anybody looked into those school-sponsored apartments nearby the school?


The average rent varies in both JC and Hoboken... Hoboken seemed pretty pricey throughout, but I dont know really bc I researched JC more. Im fortunate enough to still be financially supported by my parents, so I've been looking into the Newport area of JC-- which is expensive ...like for a 2bedroom rent is in between 2-3000... but there are other areas that are supposedly nice (havent travelled into them tho) like Paulus Hook, Hamilton Park, Van Vorhst Park, Grove Street... and then there's definitely places to stay away from which I hear are like The Heights and Journal Square (altho I hear this is getting better). I'm not an expert on the area at all, just my two cents because I've been looking recently.. I'd suggest you go on craigslist.com and look for apts, there are new ones popping up there all the time. I also looked at the apts near the school in newark, and the 1180 building was really really nice but again expensive. It didn't feel like you were part of Newark at all haha...and the other building was just okay but a more reasonable price.. either way, I'm not too much of a fan of living in Newark, i'm not sure how many students actually live there either, im guessing its mostly first year
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: cupcake315 on May 05, 2008, 12:51:34 PM
I've decided on Seton Hall, and have visited Jersey city and hoboken the last two weekends...and while Hoboken is really great, I've really fallen in love with the newport area of JC, they are both pricey though.. does anyone know how long the commute is from the Exchange Place/Newport path station in JC to Newark penn station?

The commute time varies significantly on the time of day.  The trains are infrequent at night, so you'll spend more time waiting if you don't ride during rush-hour (although you will probably enjoy the ride a lot more without someone's elbow in your face).  I think the ride itself is fairly short, 15 minutes or so.

haha thanks! and what do you mean the trains are infrequent at night? I'm not too familiar with the Path but i thought it ran on set schedule like every 15 mins or so?  I'm stuck in the PT evening section (which wud be fine if thats what I applied for haha) soo I guess I will be going into Newark from Exchange Place around 5..Also, I heard the commute from Journal sq to newark is around 15 mins? and that from exhcange place to journal sq was around 15 mins too, making the trip around 30 mins...is this true? I didn't think it was because i didnt think JC was that big or that the paths were that far from each other but I did hear it from someone semi-familiar with the area...  any feedback wud be great :)
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: dekocards on May 05, 2008, 01:09:34 PM
haha thanks! and what do you mean the trains are infrequent at night? I'm not too familiar with the Path but i thought it ran on set schedule like every 15 mins or so?  I'm stuck in the PT evening section (which wud be fine if thats what I applied for haha) soo I guess I will be going into Newark from Exchange Place around 5..Also, I heard the commute from Journal sq to newark is around 15 mins? and that from exhcange place to journal sq was around 15 mins too, making the trip around 30 mins...is this true? I didn't think it was because i didnt think JC was that big or that the paths were that far from each other but I did hear it from someone semi-familiar with the area...  any feedback wud be great :)

I would definitely NOT live in Hoboken.  Don't get me wrong, it's a great little town, and if you were going into Manhattan for school it would be fine, but it takes a very long time to get to Newark from Hoboken VIA public transportation.  It seems weird but there is no way (that I know of) to do it without taking two trains or a bus, since they are so close, but for whatever reason it always ends up taking an hour.  Oh yeah, and there is a premium for living in the highest density bar per square-mile in the world.

PATH service at night is on the half-hour I believe.  Rush-hour is every five minutes or so, and off-peak day service is every 10-15.  Travel time from WTC to Newark is 22 minutes by the schedule; itís usually closer to 30 in practice.  Exchange place is probably 20 minutes to Newark, and Journal square would be 10-15.

But donít take my word for it, their site is pretty easy to navigate: http://www.panynj.gov/CommutingTravel/path/html/
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: cupcake315 on May 05, 2008, 01:52:47 PM
Yeah, I've heard the same about Hoboken...that the commute is a pain... and thanks for the feedback, i checked out the website and it helped a lot!

Anyone interested in starting a SH facebook group?  I guess it'll be more active when we get closer to the start of school but I'm in the process of closing (hopefully) a deal in Newport for a 2bedroom, and my and my friend are planning on moving in the summer to check out the area and get out of our boring nj town...sooo anyone else who might move up early, it'll be nice to chat about where we're all living, etc etc
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: citykid on May 06, 2008, 07:56:29 AM
Godspeed- I'm also attending the dinner at Simpson Thatcher. I wonder how many people total will show up....
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: GodspeedMUFC on May 06, 2008, 09:57:22 AM
Citykid-

I don't know why anyone wouldn't go if they were able to.  Simpson Thacher is a top firm with a really great reputation. Even if there isn't really a chance to meet anyone who works there it will still be great to see how a firm like Simpson Thacher operates. 
I wasn't sure from the invite, but is this event for all admitted students or is it for a select group.

BTW have you heard anything about SJU? I've kind of ruled out SHU in favor of comparing Brooklyn and SJU but I must say that SHU's incredible record with placing students in clerking positions does make me think twice.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: GodspeedMUFC on May 06, 2008, 01:59:50 PM
Earmuffs-


I was also a scholarship recipient, but I didn't pay the first deposit... I think that was the key to the invite!

Call them and tell them you heard about it and want to go.  I am sure you will be able to. 


If you are in or around the city on 5/15 it would be well worth your while.
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: citykid on May 11, 2008, 08:36:56 PM
I too got a scholarship, so I who knows what kind of dinner it is...Godspeed- yes, I'm still not to sure about SJU. My impression about Seton Hall is that the profs seem to go along way to help students who are at the top of the class with job placements and clerkship recommendations. I believe this since I asked a few students at the Admitted Students Day and they were pretty honest. My boss at work also told me a personal story about a SHU aLum who now clerks in NY- the girl's prof set her up with a judge she's friends with, etc... of course that student got all A's..... so I generally think this kind of help applies only to the top students.

My conversations with SJU were not as friendly, although from looking at some of the big firm websites it looks like SJU alums are everywhere, also w/ top grades...

See you all at the Simpson dinner this week!
Title: Re: Seton Hall
Post by: cupcake315 on May 12, 2008, 04:58:47 PM
i wasn't invited to any dinner! not a scholarship recipient but paid my 1st deposit :/