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Applying to Law School => Law School Admissions => Topic started by: kill the headlights on February 27, 2008, 03:20:04 PM

Title: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on February 27, 2008, 03:20:04 PM
People are making DU threads like crazy. Let's just have one so that there doesn't need to be so many circulating out there. Matthies and others are DU students so you can ask any questions here. So let's just keep using this thread in general.

Just in case you are wondering, here are the old threads. Look in here before you post and then post new comments in this one.

Denver
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,102366.0.html

University of Denver- MyWeb
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,101373.0.html

DU or Colorado?
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,77979.0.html
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on February 27, 2008, 03:29:03 PM
People are making DU threads like crazy. Let's just have one so that there doesn't need to be so many circulating out there. Matthies and others are DU students so you can ask any questions here. So let's just keep using this thread in general.

Just in case you are wondering, here are the old threads. Look in here before you post and then post new comments in this one.

Denver
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,102366.0.html

University of Denver- MyWeb
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,101373.0.html

DU or Colorado?
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,77979.0.html


Cool, glad to be here, maybe we should cost post links in those threads so others can find us.

Have at it!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on February 27, 2008, 03:31:22 PM
Oh, and Matthies, I liked your flamethrower quote so much I looked it up. I found this quote from the same guy. And even though I absolutely consider myself religious I laughed my head off when I read this:

Religion has convinced people that thereís an invisible manÖliving in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesnít want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Kiwi on February 27, 2008, 04:22:20 PM
I'm glad you made this.  It was getting cumbersome to check all those other threads every day.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on February 27, 2008, 04:39:57 PM
I'm glad you made this.  It was getting cumbersome to check all those other threads every day.

Amen. Did you get a full-scholarship? You are the one that is definitely attending, right?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on February 27, 2008, 05:08:03 PM
bump for posterity
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: armyjag on February 27, 2008, 10:03:30 PM
Well, though I was dinged at CU and didn't apply to DU for cost reasons, Denver has to be the most well-kept secret in the whole US.  I love living in the 303.

Just have fun paying your vehicle registration fee!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Kiwi on February 28, 2008, 09:04:20 AM
I'm glad you made this.  It was getting cumbersome to check all those other threads every day.

Amen. Did you get a full-scholarship? You are the one that is definitely attending, right?

No, I didn't get a full one - I got 20k with a 3.0.  I'm about 80% sure that I'll end up going there, but I'm still holding out for a couple of schools.  I've been waitlisted at CU... 

I'll probably know for sure after the ASD 
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on February 28, 2008, 10:01:40 AM
ok followed up my email with a phone call, finally got to talk to a live person....nothing back from committee yet, she said in the next 2 weeks  :P
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on February 28, 2008, 05:15:44 PM
ok, so after my phone call today i checked myweb tonight and the "complete/ready for review" was gone, and the housing app had changed from "only denver u students can apply for housing" to "you may not apply for housing at this time, contact the housing office"

looks good to me!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on February 28, 2008, 05:47:57 PM
As you can probably see, I am still pending at Colorado. I thought tuition was 30K at Colorado and 18K for instaters, but I looked the other day and saw that it is 16 for instaters. So that is the equivalent of my scholarship at DU. And that is guaranteed for second and third year, instead of the 3.0 GPA requirement. So that would make it quite difficult to decide. I, like Kiwi, am going to probably decide, if I get to make the choice, at ASW. My wife and I are planning on heading up to CU to check it out then also. I lived in Denver for two years but never went North of I-70 :)  So I have no idea what Boulder is like.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Kiwi on February 29, 2008, 12:14:48 PM
I'm glad you made this.  It was getting cumbersome to check all those other threads every day.

Amen. Did you get a full-scholarship? You are the one that is definitely attending, right?

No, I didn't get a full one - I got 20k with a 3.0.  I'm about 80% sure that I'll end up going there, but I'm still holding out for a couple of schools.  I've been waitlisted at CU... 

I'll probably know for sure after the ASD 

The waitlist at CU sucks, I was on it twice, all the way up till the first week of classes at DU! Do they still make you send in those diffrent colored cards every few weeks that say you want to stay on the waitlist?

So far I've only gotten one yellow waitlist postcard.  I'll let you know what other pretty colors I get in the coming weeks  :)

As you can probably see, I am still pending at Colorado. I thought tuition was 30K at Colorado and 18K for instaters, but I looked the other day and saw that it is 16 for instaters. So that is the equivalent of my scholarship at DU. And that is guaranteed for second and third year, instead of the 3.0 GPA requirement. So that would make it quite difficult to decide. I, like Kiwi, am going to probably decide, if I get to make the choice, at ASW. My wife and I are planning on heading up to CU to check it out then also. I lived in Denver for two years but never went North of I-70 :)  So I have no idea what Boulder is like.

16k would be a great deal for law school.  I can see why that would be tempting for in-staters.  The conditional GPA requirement at DU makes me kind of nervous.  I'm planning on driving up to Boulder on the morning of the DU ASD.  I inquired about getting a tour that morning, but the school's not offering one because it's the week of their spring break.  Still, I think it'll be nice just to look around that area.  I've only been to the Denver/Boulder area once and it was just driving through.  I'm anxious to see the city. 
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on February 29, 2008, 05:45:26 PM
Boulder is cute. . .small hippie town.  Should take you 30-45mins to get there from Denver.

Happy Leap Day.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on February 29, 2008, 07:24:36 PM
I just made a blog about a month ago. Those things are addictive. Does anyone know any great blogs? I have seen some law blogs but haven't been very impressed with any yet.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: jcd10 on March 03, 2008, 09:41:36 AM
Though my MyWeb status is still Complete/Ready to Review, my account now has links for Registration, Housing, Study Abroad, Withdraw from DU, and more.

I called the Admissions Office to find out if a decision has been made, and the work-study told me a decision hasn't been made. He said I should expect a letter in the mail before the end of March. He also said DU doesn't send decision notifications through e-mail.

Does anybody want to chime in about what the MyWeb change means. Should I take the work-study at his word, or was he just reading me the Admissions Office's Talking Points?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on March 03, 2008, 09:49:20 AM
i could be wrong, but i swear a number of people on here got emails notifying them of admission.....
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on March 03, 2008, 09:58:45 AM
i just got my admissions email, so....
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: jcd10 on March 03, 2008, 10:08:24 AM
i just got my admissions email, so....

Ashley-

Were you accepted?!!

Did you notice a change in your MyWeb account? If so, what does your status say?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on March 03, 2008, 10:17:27 AM
i just got my admissions email, so....

Ashley-

Were you accepted?!!

Did you notice a change in your MyWeb account? If so, what does your status say?


yes, it was an acceptance email.

i knew a decision had been made when the "complete/ready for review" section disappeared from myweb app.  you will also note that the housing application allows you to sign up for housing if you've been admitted, but not for a day or so.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 03, 2008, 06:04:54 PM
you should really just look at the previous thread that is the first post on this thread. There is one called MyWeb on there. All these questions were answered.

I called when my status changed also. They said a decision had been made and that they don't give decisions by email. I got an email the next day saying I had been admitted, then two days later I go the snail mail. They day after I got the email I called and asked about scholarships and the lady said that my name was in the pile that was being reviewed but a decision hadn't been made. The next day (with my general acceptance letter) I got a letter marked two days before offering me a 15K per year scholarship.

So the moral of the story is that although the University of Denver's office of admissions people are very nice they don't seem to have all their information streamlined. I got a different answer from each person I called.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 03, 2008, 06:06:49 PM
On another note, I got an email today which invited me to the admitted students day. I RSVPed and said I was going.

Is anyone else?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on March 03, 2008, 11:41:47 PM
you should really just look at the previous thread that is the first post on this thread. There is one called MyWeb on there. All these questions were answered.

I called when my status changed also. They said a decision had been made and that they don't give decisions by email. I got an email the next day saying I had been admitted, then two days later I go the snail mail. They day after I got the email I called and asked about scholarships and the lady said that my name was in the pile that was being reviewed but a decision hadn't been made. The next day (with my general acceptance letter) I got a letter marked two days before offering me a 15K per year scholarship.

So the moral of the story is that although the University of Denver's office of admissions people are very nice they don't seem to have all their information streamlined. I got a different answer from each person I called.

I don't think they tell you over the phone because it sets a precedent.  Also, it would suck to be the receptionist having to tell someone they got rejected.  I think they are just playing safe.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: bufflover on March 04, 2008, 12:28:31 AM
I RSVPed...

Boulder is really really beautiful... you'll just fall in love with the place as you approach it...the view is amazing. Facilities and architecture are also pretty nice... Check out the Hill/Pearl Street if you have the time.

I wish they'd accept me... I'm doing free publicity for them anyway ;)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on March 04, 2008, 08:32:58 AM
I am going to the Open House on the 28th. Looking forward to meeting some of you!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 04, 2008, 10:56:30 AM
Too bad Colorado and Denver couldn't coordinate as a nice gesture to students. That would be convenient.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 04, 2008, 12:02:32 PM
Too bad Colorado and Denver couldn't coordinate as a nice gesture to students. That would be convenient.

They actually do alot of that for current studnts, joint networking/info programs, some happy hours and such

That is nice they do it for current students. It would make sense to do it for people who are traveling from out of state also.

 
you should really just look at the previous thread that is the first post on this thread. There is one called MyWeb on there. All these questions were answered.

I called when my status changed also. They said a decision had been made and that they don't give decisions by email. I got an email the next day saying I had been admitted, then two days later I go the snail mail. They day after I got the email I called and asked about scholarships and the lady said that my name was in the pile that was being reviewed but a decision hadn't been made. The next day (with my general acceptance letter) I got a letter marked two days before offering me a 15K per year scholarship.

So the moral of the story is that although the University of Denver's office of admissions people are very nice they don't seem to have all their information streamlined. I got a different answer from each person I called.

I don't think they tell you over the phone because it sets a precedent.  Also, it would suck to be the receptionist having to tell someone they got rejected.  I think they are just playing safe.

Yeah, that was my guess too. I thought either the different offices don't talk much or it was the fact that they don't want to open the floodgates. I thought they were probably just giving a standard response to avoid opening pandora's acceptance box. All of the actual admissions people have been very helpful, the front desk has given me information that was just wrong, it seemed. Both have been quite nice though. I am yet to meet an unpleasant DU person, in person or on the phone.

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on March 04, 2008, 12:17:38 PM
Too bad Colorado and Denver couldn't coordinate as a nice gesture to students. That would be convenient.

They actually do alot of that for current studnts, joint networking/info programs, some happy hours and such

That is nice they do it for current students. It would make sense to do it for people who are traveling from out of state also.

 
you should really just look at the previous thread that is the first post on this thread. There is one called MyWeb on there. All these questions were answered.

I called when my status changed also. They said a decision had been made and that they don't give decisions by email. I got an email the next day saying I had been admitted, then two days later I go the snail mail. They day after I got the email I called and asked about scholarships and the lady said that my name was in the pile that was being reviewed but a decision hadn't been made. The next day (with my general acceptance letter) I got a letter marked two days before offering me a 15K per year scholarship.

So the moral of the story is that although the University of Denver's office of admissions people are very nice they don't seem to have all their information streamlined. I got a different answer from each person I called.

I don't think they tell you over the phone because it sets a precedent.  Also, it would suck to be the receptionist having to tell someone they got rejected.  I think they are just playing safe.

 I am yet to meet an unpleasant DU person, in person or on the phone.



I'll be sure to call you bad names when I see you in the hall at ASD, just so you can have the full well-rounded DU experince.  ;D


since i'm not there yet, throw some in for me
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on March 04, 2008, 01:57:03 PM
Too bad Colorado and Denver couldn't coordinate as a nice gesture to students. That would be convenient.

They actually do alot of that for current studnts, joint networking/info programs, some happy hours and such

That is nice they do it for current students. It would make sense to do it for people who are traveling from out of state also.

 
you should really just look at the previous thread that is the first post on this thread. There is one called MyWeb on there. All these questions were answered.

I called when my status changed also. They said a decision had been made and that they don't give decisions by email. I got an email the next day saying I had been admitted, then two days later I go the snail mail. They day after I got the email I called and asked about scholarships and the lady said that my name was in the pile that was being reviewed but a decision hadn't been made. The next day (with my general acceptance letter) I got a letter marked two days before offering me a 15K per year scholarship.

So the moral of the story is that although the University of Denver's office of admissions people are very nice they don't seem to have all their information streamlined. I got a different answer from each person I called.

I don't think they tell you over the phone because it sets a precedent.  Also, it would suck to be the receptionist having to tell someone they got rejected.  I think they are just playing safe.

 I am yet to meet an unpleasant DU person, in person or on the phone.



I'll be sure to call you bad names when I see you in the hall at ASD, just so you can have the full well-rounded DU experince.  ;D

& I will join Matthies. . .looking down at the forum from the 2nd floor railings making fun of the 0Ls (especially the gunners who are attached at the hip w/professors).  :P
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on March 04, 2008, 02:35:06 PM
Too bad Colorado and Denver couldn't coordinate as a nice gesture to students. That would be convenient.

They actually do alot of that for current studnts, joint networking/info programs, some happy hours and such

That is nice they do it for current students. It would make sense to do it for people who are traveling from out of state also.

 
you should really just look at the previous thread that is the first post on this thread. There is one called MyWeb on there. All these questions were answered.

I called when my status changed also. They said a decision had been made and that they don't give decisions by email. I got an email the next day saying I had been admitted, then two days later I go the snail mail. They day after I got the email I called and asked about scholarships and the lady said that my name was in the pile that was being reviewed but a decision hadn't been made. The next day (with my general acceptance letter) I got a letter marked two days before offering me a 15K per year scholarship.

So the moral of the story is that although the University of Denver's office of admissions people are very nice they don't seem to have all their information streamlined. I got a different answer from each person I called.

I don't think they tell you over the phone because it sets a precedent.  Also, it would suck to be the receptionist having to tell someone they got rejected.  I think they are just playing safe.

 I am yet to meet an unpleasant DU person, in person or on the phone.



I'll be sure to call you bad names when I see you in the hall at ASD, just so you can have the full well-rounded DU experince.  ;D

& I will join Matthies. . .looking down at the forum from the 2nd floor railings making fun of the 0Ls (especially the gunners who are attached at the hip w/professors).  :P

I always thought it should be like high school, first week of clases for the new 1L's we get to knock the books out of thier hands and give them weggies. Come to think of it, other than that part, law school is alot like high middle school.

fixt
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 05, 2008, 02:02:25 AM
To be honest, I am excited to hear back from the University of Colorado so then I can post my real stuff. I can fill out my LSN account with all the stuff that would be of interest, and that was on my application. And I could post a link to my blog, which I love having by the way.

Anyway, I really am anxious to hear back from Colorado. And my wife and I are extremely excited to come out for the weekend for ASW! A weekend without changing diapers!  :)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: backpacking on March 05, 2008, 07:42:04 AM
Denver vs. Seattle vs. Catholic vs. Buffalo for international law/international human rights law?

No money that i am aware of for any of the schools, with the exception of buffalo which is in-state. The idea of ending up so deep in debt frightens me but i don't know how many opportunities are available in buffalo (and it is, after all, buffalo).

Any advice is more than welcomed!
Title: Re: University of Denver Vs. Colorado
Post by: tiefenbr on March 05, 2008, 08:03:56 AM
I'm from Colorado and go to CU.  I would think Colorado is an easy choice over Denver.  Boulder is without a doubt the nicest place to live in Colorado, while Denver is very low on the list of places I would live in Colorado.  Plus, CU is ranked a lot higher and they have a nice shiny new law school.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on March 05, 2008, 01:30:18 PM
From what I have seen of Boulder, it seems like a great place to live.  Sofar, I really like being in Denver (I actually live south of Denver)

It just seems like there is so much more going on in Denver.

I like how Matthies worded it though, Boulder would be a nice place to retire. 
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on March 05, 2008, 02:21:36 PM
From what I have seen of Boulder, it seems like a great place to live.  Sofar, I really like being in Denver (I actually live south of Denver)

It just seems like there is so much more going on in Denver.

I like how Matthies worded it though, Boulder would be a nice place to retire. 

And Boulder is a popular place for retirees.  It's a quaint little town with pretty mountain views and only 30 mins from a Denver.  Besides, it's really cute.

I'm from Colorado and go to CU.  I would think Colorado is an easy choice over Denver.  Boulder is without a doubt the nicest place to live in Colorado, while Denver is very low on the list of places I would live in Colorado.  Plus, CU is ranked a lot higher and they have a nice shiny new law school.

Are you at the law school or UG at CU? Becuase there is a CU thread with people wanting info on the law school you might want to check out if you can answer some of thier questions, not many CU law students on here!

But why all the city of Denver hate? I admit Boulder is very pretty, and I would not mind retiring there someday, but there are not many lawyer jobs in Boulder. Odds are good if you want to be a lawyer in CO youíre going to end up in Denver, Colorado Springs, Fort Collins, or Pueblo before Boulder. And of those choices, hands down I would take living in Denver myself.  

Yea, why the hate?  I know a few current CU law students & they are all really nice so I won't judge based on your response. :P  I would say that the two schools have a good relationship (very friendly competition but nobody thinking they are better than the other because they go to CU or DU).  In fact, some of the organizations I'm a part of at DU regularly organizes events with CU.  Both schools are also invited to the same networking events, participate in intra school competitions, etc.  I've been to the CU law building but I prefer DU's. . .ours seems more open (which, by the way is new & shiney). . .but, that's just me.

But as I've said before, the ultimate decision should be yours. . .not what I, Matthies, Tienfenbr, US NEWS, or any one on this board says.  And again, I emphasize, VISIT.  Afterall, you are going to spend 3 years at the school.

I hope the weather during ASW is nice for you. . .right now I'm weariting flip flops one day and Ugg boots the next.  ???
Title: Re: University of Denver Vs. Colorado
Post by: kill the headlights on March 05, 2008, 04:33:15 PM
I'm from Colorado and go to CU.  I would think Colorado is an easy choice over Denver.  Boulder is without a doubt the nicest place to live in Colorado, while Denver is very low on the list of places I would live in Colorado.  Plus, CU is ranked a lot higher and they have a nice shiny new law school.

While  I wouldn't want to live in the actual city of Denver I would love living in South Denver, like Highlands Ranch, Columbine, Lone Tree. All those places are fantastic. It is also hard to comment on such personal statements, like the blanket statement that Boulder is the obvious best place to live. How many people live in Boulder, how many people live in Denver, I don't think it is as much of a forgone conclusion as you make it sound. In fact, the majority of people disagree.

Also, I don't think the school choice is a forgone conclusion either. If it was you wouldn't have people that get accepted to both going to Denver, which does happen.
Title: Re: University of Denver Vs. Colorado
Post by: somanyquestions on March 05, 2008, 10:55:01 PM
I'm from Colorado and go to CU.  I would think Colorado is an easy choice over Denver.  Boulder is without a doubt the nicest place to live in Colorado, while Denver is very low on the list of places I would live in Colorado.  Plus, CU is ranked a lot higher and they have a nice shiny new law school.

While  I wouldn't want to live in the actual city of Denver I would love living in South Denver, like Highlands Ranch, Columbine, Lone Tree.

Too suburby for me - every place looks the same with an Applebee's on each corner. I like living downtown and in a house that is 125+ years old. I need the sireins and drunk mumbling bums to lull me to sleep at night. I just whish you could buy as much house downtown as you can out in the burbs for the same price!

While I agree that Highlands Ranch, Columbine, Lone Tree, Littleton, Aurora, etc are a bit suburby. . .I kind of think Denver is a subrby kinda city.  Well at least compared to Washington DC, Boston, Chicago, etc.  Anyway. . .I think kill the headlights has kids (??). . .which would make living south of Denver probably more reasonable/affordable.

Matthies, did you go to the RMLUI thing?  If so, how was it?  I love that we got an email about leftover food. :P
Title: Re: University of Denver Vs. Colorado
Post by: ShakedownStreet on March 05, 2008, 11:05:37 PM

I just thought that I would avoid some studying to chime in.  I live in Lone Tree!  

Overall, I like Lone Tree because it is pretty quiet, has good access to I-25, and the light rail.  Also if you like to ski I-70, Lone Tree is also close to C470 which dumps in to I-70

I take the light rail to class every day, which I really like because it gives me a chance to relax on the way to and from class, not having to worry about driving, or paying for $3+/gallon gas.  
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 06, 2008, 09:05:19 AM
Quote
While I agree that Highlands Ranch, Columbine, Lone Tree, Littleton, Aurora, etc are a bit suburby. . .I kind of think Denver is a subrby kinda city.  Well at least compared to Washington DC, Boston, Chicago, etc.  Anyway. . .I think kill the headlights has kids (??). . .which would make living south of Denver probably more reasonable/affordable.

I am actually from Boston, though I haven't lived there for about 4 years. I love suburbs. I would never want to live in the actual city again. And I agree with the comment that Denver is a suburby city. The actual downtown area is really small, but suburbs and cookie-cutter houses extend forever. But, I like suburbs, so that is ideal for me.

I love Highlands Ranch and Lone Tree because the cities are planned out so well. When you make an entire city in 20 years you have the opportunity to plan it out right. I love the twenty feet of grass on the side of the roads, with the curvy sidewalks through the grass, I love the bike trails. It is a great place to live. Also, they have many Qdobas and Chipotles, and I could live on those fabulous burritos! And you get a much larger house for less money than within the city limits of Denver. And I like newer houses, I grew up in New England where all the houses are a hundred years old, so the new stucco houses are gorgeous to me.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 15, 2008, 09:15:16 AM
I am getting pretty excited for the open house. My wife and I are going to be leaving the kids with the in-laws so it will be a weekend getaway also. But I emailed the University of Colorado and they said the school is closed for that week. Bummer.

Anyway, any votes on where my wife and I should go out to eat: Maggiano's or The Cheesecake Factory?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: armyjag on March 15, 2008, 07:03:27 PM
If you're talking about eating out in Downtown Denver, I would suggest that you eat at neither establishment.  There are a ton of great local places in the area.  Anywhere on Larimer Square, or 15th through 18th and Market, anywhere on Blake.  Just plain avoid anywhere on 16th Street Mall.

if you're curious, go to www.westword.com and search the restaurant listings, you will not be disappointed.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 15, 2008, 09:32:18 PM
Yeah, thanks for the advice, but I am not talking about downtown. I am talking about the Cheesecake Factory in Highlands Ranch or Maggiano's. Just those two places. I love both restaurants, and my wife has never been to Maggiano's before so I am leaning there right now.

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on March 16, 2008, 04:27:03 AM
Yeah, thanks for the advice, but I am not talking about downtown. I am talking about the Cheesecake Factory in Highlands Ranch or Maggiano's. Just those two places. I love both restaurants, and my wife has never been to Maggiano's before so I am leaning there right now.



Go to Maggiano's.  There's a HUGE one off of 25 by Exit 199 (I think?). . .if you pass it, you'll see it on the highway. . .it's HUGE.

Like the previous poster said, I wouldn't go to either.  But then again, that wasn't your question.

Have fun visiting. . .hope the weather is nice for you.  It's bipolar as of late.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on March 16, 2008, 06:43:37 PM
Anyone on this thread know if DU is known for postponing decisions on the part time class until the full time is set? I applied a long time ago and have yet to hear from them...
Title: Re: University of Denver Vs. Colorado
Post by: EPL on March 16, 2008, 06:57:26 PM
I'm from Colorado and go to CU.  I would think Colorado is an easy choice over Denver.  Boulder is without a doubt the nicest place to live in Colorado, while Denver is very low on the list of places I would live in Colorado.

Without a doubt, really? I would give that nod to Aspen or Vail ;)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on March 19, 2008, 06:54:51 PM
So I know we have been through this before but I am curious.  After months of waiting, I noticed a change online today.  The complete ready for review part is gone....I cannot apply for housing but I heard that they had stoppped doing that because the volume of calls..Any thoughts?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 19, 2008, 08:45:05 PM
Yeah, they don't let anyone do the housing now. So they have made a decision, but which one?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on March 19, 2008, 09:25:07 PM
I am staying positive and hoping for an acceptance.  I was waitlisted last year but gained admittance if I were to complete CLEO.  I had some personal and family issues that would not allow me to complete the program.  I have visited twice and attended the law brunch.  CLEO is being held at D.U this summer.  All I can do is wait...and pray.  The complete/ready for review was removed today....
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on March 20, 2008, 12:45:34 PM
I'm glad to see they are making decisions this week! Yes, I spoke with DU admissions recently and they told me that when it no longer says ready for review, a decision has been made. I really hope they make a decision soon on me too!

Matthies - I am also considering the DU MBA program. What is your opinion of the MBA program there, and have you seen positive feedback from duel degree students etc. who are doing the JD/MBA, or just the MBA?

Also, I might as well ask you where the best places to rent a house would be within commuting/light rail distance to DU. I have been to the area three times, but not extensively. I have a family and need a house to rent. Thinking Highlands Ranch right now...
Title: CU/DU/ONU
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 20, 2008, 12:47:36 PM
Hello all! Some of your names are familiar from the LSN board... I do a bit of stalking on there  ;)

I'm working on making the decision between DU/CU/and Ohio Northern University in Ada, Ohio... Where I'm currently an UG.

CU hasn't accepted me and it's not horribly likely. I'm crossing my fingers for a waitlist. DU has offered 15k a year. ONU has offered a full ride.

I know that tiers don't matter much, but ONU is a t4. I've also lived here for the past three years and dealt with small town/bad weather/college party scene. With a JD from ONU, however, i'd be graduating with minimal debt. If I go to DU, I'll be graduating with approx 105k in debt (with cost of living factored in). Having that much in loans scares me, especially if I make the average 50k upon graduating. And there's always the fear of losing my scholly...

Denver pros: My partner just got a pharmacy job offer in Denver (100k/year, but he has 175k loan debt), I want to live in Denver, and I really loved DU.

Is it foolish to turn down a full ride, though? Is living even managable with over 100k in loans?? This is so overwhelming and disenchanting. I'd almost tempted to get a secretary job, since that's pretty much all I can do with an UG degree in Poli Sci and German.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on March 20, 2008, 04:59:39 PM
Does anyone know if schools send out waitlists notices in waves??I went to decision yesterday and I noticed on LSN that there were tons of waitlists given out yesterday.  I'm hoping for an acceptance but a waitlist notification would be better than a denial......They may waitlist me pending on my completion of CLEO, as they did last year.....
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on March 20, 2008, 06:21:31 PM
Isn't it just insane that you can't just call, verify your identity, and have them friggin tell you if you have been accepted? Seriously, credit card companies do it, and virtually every other service oriented business including utilities, cell phone companies etc. do it. But for some reason, law schools like to remind you that they hold the cards and make you wait for the mail to arrive. A few weeks ago, I contacted the University of Idaho Law School to inquire about my application I submitted close to 6 months ago. I had received a simple post card saying I was complete back in October and that was it. In a very polite email, I kindly explained that I have a family and would need to plan a relocation to Idaho, and also leave my current job, and I requested to know whether a decision had been made yet. The admissions office responded with an over the top rude email that started with a question asking me if I had received their postcard that asked me not to contact them. Next, she wrote two paragraphs telling me why I shouldn't have emailed, how busy they are, and how they have no time to deal with applicants. Needless to say, I wont be attending Idaho next year. I am a military veteran - officer - with great work experience and a decent LSAT score and don't need to put up with that crap... 
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on March 20, 2008, 06:59:14 PM
I definately understand that!! I hate snobby admissions people. But I haven't had to deal with any so far.  This suspense is killing me....I'm am just hoping, praying, and wishing.....
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 21, 2008, 02:33:42 AM
About places to live. Highlands Ranch would probably be expensive for housing. It is about 10 miles away. It would be a great place to live with a family though. I am probably going to rent there. Also, there is a light rail stop on Lincoln Ave, so you could take the lightrail. I think the website estimates times to DU from that stop at 35 minutes if I remember correctly. I think that is perfect because you don't have to worry about driving and it is long enough that you can study some each way.

I haven't spoken with any snobby admissions officers yet, there have been some seemingly uninformed ones, but none have been snobby. Then again, CU says don't contact them, so I really don't know about them as they do not allow communication  :)

I really want to hear back from CU though. The wifey and I are coming out in a week for ASW, and I am going to visit both schools and try to "feel out" the best pick. I really want the CU admit though.

But how I love Denver.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on March 21, 2008, 09:01:38 AM
I am really getting anxious to hear from CU as well. For those of you still waiting, when did you go complete?  I did on 1/17, so it's been over eight weeks.  I want to call!
Do you think they would rip me a new one?

Also, I want to petition for some money at DU.  When do you think it is appropriate to do so and how?

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 21, 2008, 11:09:37 AM
My CU app was completed on 1-10. I still haven't heard anything. I called last Friday and they told me, "Something should be in the mail by the end of next week" and that the admission committee was still taking a look at it. My chances of acceptance aren't even that good- I figued I might be thrown in with the people who get rejected just as soon as their applications are sent in. Who knows- maybe this waiting means that I'm being considered for a W/L.

As for petitioning for more $$ from DU. I believe I read that some people called to the fin.aid. office and were unsuccessful, that the 'time to call' would have been ages ago. This week I send an e-mail explaining my situation and asked for additional funding. All they did was re-send me my financial award letter. I was pretty put off by that, but oh well... I may give the office a call today, just for the heck of it.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Juice on March 21, 2008, 12:14:47 PM
Didn't mean to come off as too much of a hater - my interactions with other admissions offices have been great, especially Denver, and it was just the Idaho experience that rubbed me the wrong way.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 21, 2008, 10:21:05 PM
I called right after I was accepted and asked them to up my scholarship. They said to call back after seat deposits.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on March 22, 2008, 09:44:48 AM
About places to live. Highlands Ranch would probably be expensive for housing. It is about 10 miles away. It would be a great place to live with a family though. I am probably going to rent there. Also, there is a light rail stop on Lincoln Ave, so you could take the lightrail. I think the website estimates times to DU from that stop at 35 minutes if I remember correctly. I think that is perfect because you don't have to worry about driving and it is long enough that you can study some each way.

I haven't spoken with any snobby admissions officers yet, there have been some seemingly uninformed ones, but none have been snobby. Then again, CU says don't contact them, so I really don't know about them as they do not allow communication  :)

I really want to hear back from CU though. The wifey and I are coming out in a week for ASW, and I am going to visit both schools and try to "feel out" the best pick. I really want the CU admit though.

But how I love Denver.

I take the light rail everyday from Lincoln Station.  If you are thinking of renting, there are several places right around Lincoln Station that would allow you to walk to the train, or have an extremely short drive.  It takes a little bit less than 35 min to get to the University stop.  I leave Lincoln on the 5:03, and get to University on by 5:25 or so. 

Let me know if you have any questions about living in the Lone Tree area!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: rekopter on March 22, 2008, 11:42:34 AM
tag.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 22, 2008, 01:08:52 PM
About places to live. Highlands Ranch would probably be expensive for housing. It is about 10 miles away. It would be a great place to live with a family though. I am probably going to rent there. Also, there is a light rail stop on Lincoln Ave, so you could take the lightrail. I think the website estimates times to DU from that stop at 35 minutes if I remember correctly. I think that is perfect because you don't have to worry about driving and it is long enough that you can study some each way.

I haven't spoken with any snobby admissions officers yet, there have been some seemingly uninformed ones, but none have been snobby. Then again, CU says don't contact them, so I really don't know about them as they do not allow communication  :)

I really want to hear back from CU though. The wifey and I are coming out in a week for ASW, and I am going to visit both schools and try to "feel out" the best pick. I really want the CU admit though.

But how I love Denver.

I take the light rail everyday from Lincoln Station.  If you are thinking of renting, there are several places right around Lincoln Station that would allow you to walk to the train, or have an extremely short drive.  It takes a little bit less than 35 min to get to the University stop.  I leave Lincoln on the 5:03, and get to University on by 5:25 or so. 

Let me know if you have any questions about living in the Lone Tree area!

My wife and I are thinking about renting at Lincoln Pointe. Have you heard about it? We are going to go and see the apartments next week.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on March 22, 2008, 04:03:17 PM
Lincoln Pointe is brand new, and seems very nice.  It is on the east side of I-25. The light rail and most shopping is on the west side of I-25.

I live at AMLI, and it is pretty quiet and nice.  I walk to the train when the weather is nice. 
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 23, 2008, 09:20:24 AM
Lincoln Pointe is brand new, and seems very nice.  It is on the east side of I-25. The light rail and most shopping is on the west side of I-25.

I live at AMLI, and it is pretty quiet and nice.  I walk to the train when the weather is nice. 

How much is AMLI a month? I think we are going to pay 1030 for three bedrooms at Lincoln Pointe. Also, which is further from the lightrail, AMLI or Lincoln Pointe. I have googled earthed Lincoln Point and it looks like it is about a half a mile or less, but you have to go over/under the highway to get there. But the 25 minute commute sounds awesome, and then I wouldn't need to use a car or pay the gas. It sounds quite nice.

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on March 23, 2008, 04:00:25 PM
AMLI is definetely closer to the light rail, and you do not have to go over I-25.  I am not sure how much AMLI is for a 3 bedroom, but it it likely more expensive than Lincoln Pointe.  The website for AMLI is www.amli.com, so you can check it out for yourself.  We live in the Buckeye model, and like it. 

Good luck with the apartment search!

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kylie_johnson on March 23, 2008, 05:11:47 PM
Has anyone gotten into DU with a 2.88 and 157? What other tier 2 schools can you probably get into with these numbers?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 23, 2008, 07:59:53 PM
I called right after I was accepted and asked them to up my scholarship. They said to call back after seat deposits.

Thanks for that info. Now I have to weigh my chances of actually getting a scholly increase. Something tells me it's not in my favor, but the only other place I'd put a deposit in at will cost $100. That's not too bad, I guess. (Ugh. Never thought I'd say losing $100 wasn't 'bad')

Anyone know DU's history regarding this issue? Do they often pull through with extra $$$ or is it unlikely?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 23, 2008, 08:06:21 PM
Has anyone gotten into DU with a 2.88 and 157? What other tier 2 schools can you probably get into with these numbers?

Tough to say, especially if you're looking to apply this late in the cycle. I'd take a look at lsac.org's UGPA/LSAT search device. See where you have a 50% chance or higher of being admitted-You have a decent chance at those schools. That being said, other factors besides GPA and LSAT scores influence admissions committees...
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on March 24, 2008, 11:45:15 AM
So I went to a decision last Wednesday I believe. I still havent received anything.  Should I call..? Could this hurt me?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on March 24, 2008, 12:07:49 PM
So I went to a decision last Wednesday I believe. I still havent received anything.  Should I call..? Could this hurt me?

Personally, I doubt that calling would hurt you as long as you are polite, unless they have specifically told you not to call (like CU did when I applied)   I bothered admissions at DU a lot before I was accepted, and was later told that they appreciated my persistence and continued interest in DU.   
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on March 25, 2008, 07:47:44 AM
Unlike some schools, DU will actually reply to an email as well....
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 25, 2008, 11:31:04 AM
Matthies and somanyquestions, you guys/girls are current students. What would you guess the average starting salary is for people working in firms? I am just curious. I have been reading some recent threads on the impossibility of making it financially with a T2 starting salary. I was just curious, as you guys actually probably hear these statistics from your classmates.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 25, 2008, 12:22:10 PM
Matthies and somanyquestions, you guys/girls are current students. What would you guess the average starting salary is for people working in firms? I am just curious. I have been reading some recent threads on the impossibility of making it financially with a T2 starting salary. I was just curious, as you guys actually probably hear these statistics from your classmates.

No, I don't hear this from my classmates, or people who actually go to law school (a few maybe, but I think its the fualt of the individual, not the school; see below for fiding job results). Its 0L's who spout this BS. I personally know people with $125k offers (about average for big law in Denver), some in the 80-100kk range, and some in the 50-80k range and some PI jobes, like PD in the 35k range.

Most of the poeple I know with offers now are in the 50-80k range, with the lower salerys going to fresh from UG and the higer going to those with work experince before law school. Its all what you make of it of job search wise, the more proactive you are in your job search the more options you will have, the more reactive the less options you will have. The good jobs are out there but many are NOT advertised at all. If your in the top 30% of your class your job search is "easier" in that you can rely on OCI/mass mailing (reactive job searching, but limted to just what is advertised or offered), if not it just means you need to network (which 90% of law students really suck at)- proactive job searching, meeting pople and geting inside tips on jobs others don't know about. If you network AND have good grades, finding a good job is really easy.

The problem is, at least as I have seen, many, many, if not most, law students take a very re-active route to finding a job, let the employers hold all the cards(ie pick amoung the very best that applied to thier ad/oci) and when this fails, or does not offer the results they think they deserve, they blame thier school. Going to law school, unfortunetly, does not make you real world job hunting smart. Some folks just plain suck at taking the iniative, those poeple have worse results than those that grab for the brass ring.

That is what I was thinking. It is good to hear it from someone though. I wouldn't be depressed with an 80K job out of law school, assuming I am relatively high in the class.

I am really stoked to go visit the school this week. Matthies, are you going to be on the student panel :)?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 25, 2008, 04:54:04 PM
Waitlisted at CU. It's better than the alternative!

The DU fin.aid office answered my e-mail today, which was wholly unexpected. They apologized for the late response, and while the e-mail wasn't particularly helpful, it was quite friendly and honest. Point for DU. I was basically told, "With 100k in loans it will be difficult to live on 50k a year, but if you pay the loans off over 25+ years it IS do-able... just challenging." Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Question for any 0L's or current law students: Did you (or are you going to)'prep' before you started law school? Do any reading? Take any courses? I'm considering checking out a few of the books on DU's admitted student website and also looking at their 5-day law school preview course. It's around $500 which is m-u-c-h cheaper than other commercial courses. Did any of you DU students partake in this? I'm not certain if it's a waste of $$$ or truly worthwhile. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on March 25, 2008, 05:14:33 PM
Its nice to have friends already in your section when classes start.



which is why i'll be stalking you for you fall class selections  ;)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 25, 2008, 05:28:08 PM
I took DU's summer prep class when I started. Back then it was 4 weeks long, and free as I remember.

Further confirming my fears that DU is a cash-cow. I wish money grew on trees.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on March 25, 2008, 06:22:56 PM
I took DU's summer prep class when I started. Back then it was 4 weeks long, and free as I remember.

Further confirming my fears that DU is a cash-cow. I wish money grew on trees.

I did the 5 day summer prep before I started last fall.  I think that it really did help most of us know what would be expected of us in the first semester.  It is also nice to meet some people before you start. 

I think most of the people I talked to thought that it was worth it. 
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on March 26, 2008, 12:25:51 PM
Still nothing from Denver..I called today and spoke with Doug.  He looked up my profile and verifid that a decision has been made, but that he couldnt give it out over the phone.  Is that normal? If I were accepted, would they have told me over the phone...?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: maesepedro on March 26, 2008, 04:10:42 PM
I just got in via email today...i've been eyeing the thread for a while but thought I'd chime in now that the wait is over...for all you current DU types, thanks for all the advice & opinions--it's certainly helpful as we all narrow down our options.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: skinsfan123 on March 26, 2008, 04:15:01 PM
I applied to DU with the impression that the school had a strong International Law program. I am well aware of Denver's excellent reputation for high quality studies in International Relations, outside of the law program, but am not certain about their credentials for International Law. I received a $20k a year scholarship which really piqued my interest. However, I only plan on attending if I can have some assurances about being able to obtain a dual degree in International Law and International Relations. How does this process work? Do you have to pay extra tuition? Do you have to take the GREs to get accepted into the Master's program? I have had a hard time getting ahold of any deans, maybe you current DU students can help...
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 26, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
Paid the 1st half of the deposit today... DU it is!  ;D
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kylie_johnson on March 26, 2008, 06:58:57 PM
Can anyone tell me about transferring into Sturm? Has anyone here done it? What do they look at? I'm looking to transfer from a tier 3.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 26, 2008, 08:03:04 PM
Still nothing from Denver..I called today and spoke with Doug.  He looked up my profile and verifid that a decision has been made, but that he couldnt give it out over the phone.  Is that normal? If I were accepted, would they have told me over the phone...?

Actually, I called and they said the same thing, it is just policy. I was accepted with a scholarship, so not saying anything over the phone is just standard.

You just have to wait for it, it could go either way.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on March 26, 2008, 09:17:14 PM
Still nothing from Denver..I called today and spoke with Doug.  He looked up my profile and verifid that a decision has been made, but that he couldnt give it out over the phone.  Is that normal? If I were accepted, would they have told me over the phone...?

Actually, I called and they said the same thing, it is just policy. I was accepted with a scholarship, so not saying anything over the phone is just standard.

You just have to wait for it, it could go either way.

Oh ok...That I will! I just thought that may have been indication..I'll keep everyone posted..
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: rekopter on March 26, 2008, 10:12:29 PM
Oh ok...That I will! I just thought that may have been indication..I'll keep everyone posted..


as if this was in doubt! Hehe, I kid. Seriously, we all wish you luck.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 26, 2008, 10:38:58 PM
Still nothing from Denver..I called today and spoke with Doug.  He looked up my profile and verifid that a decision has been made, but that he couldnt give it out over the phone.  Is that normal? If I were accepted, would they have told me over the phone...?

Actually, I called and they said the same thing, it is just policy. I was accepted with a scholarship, so not saying anything over the phone is just standard.

You just have to wait for it, it could go either way.

Oh ok...That I will! I just thought that may have been indication..I'll keep everyone posted..

My fingers are crossed for you!!! Good luck- hopefully you'll hear something ASAP
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on March 27, 2008, 02:58:58 AM
I applied to DU with the impression that the school had a strong International Law program. I am well aware of Denver's excellent reputation for high quality studies in International Relations, outside of the law program, but am not certain about their credentials for International Law. I received a $20k a year scholarship which really piqued my interest. However, I only plan on attending if I can have some assurances about being able to obtain a dual degree in International Law and International Relations. How does this process work? Do you have to pay extra tuition? Do you have to take the GREs to get accepted into the Master's program? I have had a hard time getting ahold of any deans, maybe you current DU students can help...

I'm not sure what kind of assurance you are looking for but I would consider International Law is among the three most popular concentration/area of law among students.  Top 3 Biggies: Environmental, Business, International

Joint degree: Yes, you can get a joint degree.  I know quite a few people who are getting a JD/MIS (Masters in International Studies).  No assurances though. . .I don't know your credentials nor am I an admissions officer.  You just have to apply & see.  But I think if you gain admissions into the law school, you have a fair shot at GSIS (Graduate school of international studies).  Not really sure about the application process but I know you have to apply and get accepted to both schools.  If you get into one but not the other, you can reapply. . .I think it takes 4 years (instead of 5) for the dual degree but I know people who are trying to finish in 3.  Some of the credits transfer and gets applied towards the law degree.  Extra tuition?. . .you pay for whatever credits you take.  I think they might accept your LSAT score (not sure though).  You should call the admissions office NOT the dean.  By the way. . .this applies to the JD/MBA as well.  The only difference is that you would apply to the Daniels School of Business.

Can anyone tell me about transferring into Sturm? Has anyone here done it? What do they look at? I'm looking to transfer from a tier 3.

I didn't transfer in BUT. . .I know about 10 students who transferred in this year.  I think the main thing is your 1st year grades.  Call the admissions office and ask.

Still nothing from Denver..I called today and spoke with Doug.  He looked up my profile and verifid that a decision has been made, but that he couldnt give it out over the phone.  Is that normal? If I were accepted, would they have told me over the phone...?

Actually, I called and they said the same thing, it is just policy. I was accepted with a scholarship, so not saying anything over the phone is just standard.

You just have to wait for it, it could go either way.

Oh ok...That I will! I just thought that may have been indication..I'll keep everyone posted..

My fingers are crossed for you!!! Good luck- hopefully you'll hear something ASAP

I hope good news is on its way!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on March 27, 2008, 08:46:04 AM
Also here is some info about scholorships, those you can apply for after 1L and national ones you can apply for now for 1L.

Hereis a listing of outside scholorships you can apply for anytime http://www.law.du.edu/finaid/prospective/outsideSchol.cfm.

Here is a listing of 2L/3L ones: http://www.law.du.edu/finaid/current/2L3LNamed.cfm


i'm assuming i'm not eligible for any of these, right?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on March 27, 2008, 12:01:46 PM
Denied at denver and seattle u..My two top choices. I may be taking the LSAT again..I only took it once...
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on March 27, 2008, 02:39:23 PM
It wasnt meant to be this cycle. I should have just accepted admission last year, but was unable too.  I'm thinking about retaking the lsat...Any thoughts? All I have so far is Thomas Jefferson...
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 27, 2008, 07:27:26 PM
Denied at denver and seattle u..My two top choices. I may be taking the LSAT again..I only took it once...

Sorry man  >:(

Bleh. Sorry 'bout the news. If your desire to go to DU outweighs your general desire to 'just get' your JD, there's no harm in re-taking the LSAT. I was a 2-timer, myself, with better results the second time around. Or there's always the option of starting elsewhere and doing a transfer, but I honestly dunno how that process works.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on March 27, 2008, 08:11:17 PM
Just sucks to be admitted one year and not the next. But that shows how competitive schools are becoming.  I am going to wait the cycle out before retaking...
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: maesepedro on March 27, 2008, 10:43:44 PM
kill the headlights / littlemissmeeba etc... for any of you going to the shindig at DU tomorrow, care to opine with your impressions when your visits are over?  i can't visit for at least another week (and maybe not until after seat deposits are due) so any first-hand impressions from 0Ls would be great as I grind my teeth from afar...

thanks in advance

nb-for the poster regarding GSIS: if I attend, I intend on enrolling concurrently as a 2L and finish in 4 years with the JD/MA
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: skinsfan123 on March 28, 2008, 11:35:10 AM
I got into DU with 20k a year. At first, DU was just a backup plan, but the money has really piqued my interest. I was an International Relations major in college, so I was familiar with the quality of their IR graduate studies. Because of this, I assumed they had a quality International Law program as well. Is anyone familiar with this? I got an email saying it was nationally ranked, but even the 100th ranked school is "ranked."

Also, I really hope to be able to do a joint JD/MA in International Law and International Relations. Do many students at DU do a dual degree? Do I have to take the GRE to get accepted into the MA program or is acceptance at one school enough? If I can do both relatively easily <i.e. not having to take another standardized test> then I would definitely go to Denver.

I also know little to nothing about the city itself other than what I have read online. I live in DC <which I love>, and people say it is similar in size and general cleanliness, but the attitudes are way different. Apparently the pace is slower, people are more friendly, and though the air is hard to breath, it makes for a much more collegial atmosphere.Any notes on the city itself would be much appreciated.

Last, I went to a very small upscale liberal arts college in Pennsylvania. The student body was 90% white and at least 60% upper class. Though it was a fun time, I would like to vary it up a little bit. I only know what I've read online about the school atmosphere and the student body. If anyone can take a second to paint a picture about the campus there as in is it self contained, sprawling, diverse, clean, pretty, etc. I'd sincerely appreciate it.

I know I've asked for a ton of information, but there appears to be a number of active DU students on these boards who might be able to help.

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 28, 2008, 11:35:54 AM
kill the headlights / littlemissmeeba etc... for any of you going to the shindig at DU tomorrow, care to opine with your impressions when your visits are over?  i can't visit for at least another week (and maybe not until after seat deposits are due) so any first-hand impressions from 0Ls would be great as I grind my teeth from afar...

thanks in advance

nb-for the poster regarding GSIS: if I attend, I intend on enrolling concurrently as a 2L and finish in 4 years with the JD/MA

I won't be there (broke, don't wanna miss class, broke, broke...), but I was able to tour over the summer. The building is b-e-a-utiful, and the surrounding area seems pretty nice. Everyone was friendly/helpful- I got lost and wandered into the wrong building, and a sweet professor pulled me into her office and drew a map to direct me to where I needed to be :)

My tour was with one other woman who had already been admitted to the program and was attending in the fall, so most everything was geared towards her- but that's totally understandable. I was pretty clueless at the time and content just taking everything in.

Kill The Headlights: I'm dying to hear your thoughts on this weekend, so post them a.s.a.p  ;)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: skinsfan123 on March 28, 2008, 11:49:45 AM
Thanks for the info. Any clue as to why the school's ranking dropped 10 spots?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on March 28, 2008, 12:01:14 PM
I was talking to a professor the other day, and he said that february bar passage is always lower than july because the students taking in february (1) either failed the bar and are taking it again, or (2) the february test has lots of december grads that may have had to "slow down" a bit to stay in law school. 

He also recommended taking the bar in february, since it may be easier to pass. 

I am just a 1L, but I feel like the passing the bar is more of personal responsiblity than it is a responsibility of your school to make sure you pass. That is why DU's bar passage rate was a non-factor for me. 
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: skinsfan123 on March 28, 2008, 12:06:28 PM
Here is another question for you. Since you've been incredibly helpful so far, I think I will abuse you until you get sick of me. Hopefully I can milk you for 1 or 2 more questions.

Say I do the dual degree, which is my goal. After graduation, most of the job opportunities for a person with those qualifications are going to be in places like D.C., especially since I'd like to work for the FBI or State Department. Does DU's career center help place people in regions outside of Denver? Is there an alumni base that leaves the Rocky Mountain Region for greener pastures <term meant for purely figurative use> that I can tap in to? What are the Int. Law opportunities like in Denver? I always thought of Denver as being a trucking and shipping capital, sort of a domestic logistics center, more than a place with many multi-national companies.

The thought of living in Colorado intrigues me as I am a fan of the outdoors and open spaces. However, D.C. is my home, where my family/GF of 6 years live, and where most of the job opportunities I'd like to eventually pursue are.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on March 28, 2008, 12:11:35 PM
FBI has a Denver division and recruits from DU.  It seems like most alumni are in the mountain region, but from my talks with the CDC (career development center) they said that there are alumni around the country.  Look on martindale hubbell for attorneys that graduated from DU law and are practicing in the city you want to end up in if you want an idea. 

sorry no info on intenational law stuff other than FBI, matthies may have something for you
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: cesco on March 28, 2008, 12:34:47 PM
Tag. 

I'll come back and contribute something valuable to this thread over the next couple of days.  Skins - I'll try to answer some of your questions.

Also, the Dean addressed the rankings today, and has stated that next year's incoming class will be capped at 220 (compared to almost 300 this year).  The student body has grown significantly over the last few years, apparently at the expense of higher LSATs and (perhaps corresponding?) bar passage rates.  It is the constant battle of tuition dollars v. statistics, and the school is acknowledging that statistics need to take some priority.

Anyway, I'll follow up.

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: skinsfan123 on March 28, 2008, 12:39:49 PM
Well that is good to know.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on March 29, 2008, 12:20:45 AM
Skinsfan123: PM me w/your questions.
We are in EXTREMELY similar situations (international law, relocating after graduation, etc). . .minus the dual degree (which I considered for a while but decided against).  I've been talking to A LOT of alums, career services, current 3Ls who are moving after graduation, etc with many of the same questions you have.

Denver isn't exactly the international law capital of the country.  Many attorneys here will attest to that.  That being said, Denver has the most federal government agencies after Washington, DC.

On the location issue, I agree 100% w/Matties (as if this is new).  Outside of truly national schools, go to schools in the city, state, region you want to practice.  It is easier to network, find jobs, and get your foot in the legal community.  Also, alumni and school ties has A LOT to do with who gets hired from what school.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 30, 2008, 10:51:57 AM
Sorry I didn't respond sooner. The wife and I got back to sick kids who were needing our attention so I didn't check last night. My bad.

I was very impressed with the open house. I spend so much time on these boards and reading about law school that I really didn't have any questions. All of my questions revolved around future employment and financial aid, both of which were not good questions for a large group. But some people asked some interesting questions.

The building was gorgeous. I had been there two years ago but it was during the summer so there wasn't much going on, and I didn't really get to meet any students. This was a good opportunity to see what the students were like and get some interaction with them. The guy that brought me around was named Steve something, he was nice and I think he and I had similar interests. The Dean seemed nice. The professors seemed nice.

I really liked that the first Chipotle was just down the street to. My wife and I went there and they gave us a shirt that said "I've made the pilgrammage to Evans." I thought that was cool. Also, my wife and I found some great apartments by the Lincoln lightrail and I love that I can take the lightrail to school. The apartments that we are going to live in are the Crest apartments.

But that brings up my only concern with DU. The financial aid package is for a single person and I have a wife and two kids. I don't know how I am going to make it work with such a little amount of money to live on. Does anyone else have any kids that goes to DU that can shed a little light on this for me? I would love to be able to see how to make it work. My wife and I were planning on getting a three bedroom apartment, but we decided we could get by with just two, and we still can't see how it is feasible with only 750 a month for rent. A financial aid lady said that the board who makes those decisions isn't very worried about helping people who are married with kids to get through law school, so I am going to have to figure something out.

Any insider thoughts on getting by with such a little amount of money. The funny thing to me is that they say they don't want us taking out too much money. Well, I am going to be taking out 15,000 less than other students because of my scholarship, so can't I take out maybe 2500 more for rent? Also, I am going to be the one paying it back.

But, overall, the school was impressive. I got denied by phone at CU on my way to Colorado. I wasn't very sad. I wanted to get into CU more because of pride than actually attending. I thought the instate tuition regardless of GPA was a huge factor, but I wanted to live in Denver and go to DU, as you can tell probably by my posts. My wife really wanted to go to DU, so she was excited about the denial  :)


Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 30, 2008, 11:07:06 AM
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The professors seemed nice.

I did like in the Q & A part with the professors when one of them said " the professors are so nice here, you will always find their doors open and you can hear them talking about teaching (actually, the dean said the last part). There is a very open atmosphere." The funny thing about that to me is that my wife and I went the day before to get a list of off campus apartments and we decided to walk around and see the school before all the open house people got there. It was probably 2pm when we went. We walked around the offices and saw maybe one or two doors open. Not only did we not hear people talking about teaching, we didn't hear any professors talking because all their doors were closed.

Not that this means anything, it is just an anecdotal observation, but it made me snicker to myself. But, honestly, the professors that I have spoken with all seem very nice and genuine.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 30, 2008, 11:20:37 AM
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Sorry to hear about CU, but we are glad your coming to DU! You can take out loans up to the cost of attendance. Iím not sure if this means you can take out loans for the amount your scholarship covers not. There is a loan from Citi bank that allows you to borrow more than the cost of living, but I donít know the details. Have you though about applying for work-study? Maybe work 20 hours or less a week in the library or as an assistant for one of the deans or a professors. I know classmates who do this. Library gig at night is pretty cush, I always see them studying at the desk, just look up to answer questions. Also can you keep your scholoy and switch to PT? Iím PT most of my classmates work full or part time jobs, many of them in the legal field. Also if you get a job at DU you get something like 6-9 credits a year for FREE, thatís almost 10k a year off the cost. Is your wife going to be working?

Yeah, that is the problem, the cost of attendance is for a single person, not a family, which I have. My wife will not be working, so that makes it tough. But we have made it through undergrad without her working and it wasn't a huge problem. I am nervous about taking out private loans because of the usually bad terms to them, but we might have to. Also, I don't want to go PT.

The funny thing is that they say if my works then they will give us 795 per child extra for daycare. If that is the case, how about they let me borrow the money that I am going to have to pay back and let my wife be the daycare. It seems ridiculous that I have to pay someone else to watch them, and that is the only way I can get the money, instead of just letting their mother watch them?

I am really not as bitter as I am sounding, it is just frustrating. I knew I was going to encounter these problems when we decided to have kids early, but I was hoping people would be a little more understanding. After all, I am going to be the one who pays this money back.

Matthies, I thought you couldn't work during your first year? Also, I think a better investment during the first year is studying, so I am hesitant to work at all. I am just going to have to work more hours during this summer and save up some money to cover the extra costs.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: rekopter on March 30, 2008, 11:32:31 AM
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Sorry to hear about CU, but we are glad your coming to DU! You can take out loans up to the cost of attendance. Iím not sure if this means you can take out loans for the amount your scholarship covers not. There is a loan from Citi bank that allows you to borrow more than the cost of living, but I donít know the details. Have you though about applying for work-study? Maybe work 20 hours or less a week in the library or as an assistant for one of the deans or a professors. I know classmates who do this. Library gig at night is pretty cush, I always see them studying at the desk, just look up to answer questions. Also can you keep your scholoy and switch to PT? Iím PT most of my classmates work full or part time jobs, many of them in the legal field. Also if you get a job at DU you get something like 6-9 credits a year for FREE, thatís almost 10k a year off the cost. Is your wife going to be working?

Matthies, I thought you couldn't work during your first year? Also, I think a better investment during the first year is studying, so I am hesitant to work at all. I am just going to have to work more hours during this summer and save up some money to cover the extra costs.

I think you can work up to 20 hours a week as a 1L. I also don't think work-study counts as work for that. Work-study is part of fin aid and its all inside the law school. As to working, like I said, I'm PT, most of m,y classmates work, everyone who is in the top 10% of my class works FT, and our top 10% GPA is higher than FT's top 10% GPA. It can be done and get good grades

Isn't there a bit of a logical flaw here? Don't the vast majority of PT students work full time? And aren't PT students measured by grades against their PT peers?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 30, 2008, 12:09:38 PM
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The professors seemed nice.

I did like in the Q & A part about the professors that one of them said " the professors are so nice here, you will always find their doors open and you can hear them talking about teaching (actually, the dean said the last part). There is a very open atmosphere." The funny thing about that too me is that my wife and I went the day before to get a list of off campus apartments and we decided to walk around and see the school before all the open house people got there. It was probably 2pm when we went. We walked around the offices and saw maybe one or two doors open. Not only did we not hear people talking about teaching, we didn't hear any professors talking because all their doors were closed.

Not that this means anything, it is just an anecdotal observation, but it made me snicker to myself. But, honestly, the professors that I have spoken with all seem very nice and genuine.

Was this on a friday? Its DEAD at school on Fridays, there are almost no clases on fridays, the law school opeartes M-Th bascilly, so most professors don't work fridays, or if they do, work 1/2 days simply becuase there are no students around then.

No, I know about the Mon-Thur schedule (which I love). This was on a Thursday.

Also, I thought it was the ABA who said that students are not allowed to work their first year?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: rekopter on March 30, 2008, 12:48:51 PM
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Sorry to hear about CU, but we are glad your coming to DU! You can take out loans up to the cost of attendance. Iím not sure if this means you can take out loans for the amount your scholarship covers not. There is a loan from Citi bank that allows you to borrow more than the cost of living, but I donít know the details. Have you though about applying for work-study? Maybe work 20 hours or less a week in the library or as an assistant for one of the deans or a professors. I know classmates who do this. Library gig at night is pretty cush, I always see them studying at the desk, just look up to answer questions. Also can you keep your scholoy and switch to PT? Iím PT most of my classmates work full or part time jobs, many of them in the legal field. Also if you get a job at DU you get something like 6-9 credits a year for FREE, thatís almost 10k a year off the cost. Is your wife going to be working?

Matthies, I thought you couldn't work during your first year? Also, I think a better investment during the first year is studying, so I am hesitant to work at all. I am just going to have to work more hours during this summer and save up some money to cover the extra costs.

I think you can work up to 20 hours a week as a 1L. I also don't think work-study counts as work for that. Work-study is part of fin aid and its all inside the law school. As to working, like I said, I'm PT, most of m,y classmates work, everyone who is in the top 10% of my class works FT, and our top 10% GPA is higher than FT's top 10% GPA. It can be done and get good grades

Isn't there a bit of a logical flaw here? Don't the vast majority of PT students work full time? And aren't PT students measured by grades against their PT peers?

The magority work FT or at least PT, but not all. There are rakings for FT and PT studnts, they show the GPA cutoffs for each class so you can tell what your GPA would land you if you were FT or PT based on that years ranking. For 2006-2007 1L's number 1 GPA for FT was 3.84 number 1 in PT was 3.95, they are often like that, or very clasoe, eben though PT works and takes 1 less class. The point is working does not have to affect your grades, if your a good time manager.

FT'ers and PT'ers are graded on independent curves. FT students compete against a different set of students on the same curve and given the LSAT/GPA differences between FT and PT students a 3.85 would be harder to get for a FT'er than a PT'er.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on March 30, 2008, 07:36:38 PM
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The professors seemed nice.

I did like in the Q & A part about the professors that one of them said " the professors are so nice here, you will always find their doors open and you can hear them talking about teaching (actually, the dean said the last part). There is a very open atmosphere." The funny thing about that too me is that my wife and I went the day before to get a list of off campus apartments and we decided to walk around and see the school before all the open house people got there. It was probably 2pm when we went. We walked around the offices and saw maybe one or two doors open. Not only did we not hear people talking about teaching, we didn't hear any professors talking because all their doors were closed.

Not that this means anything, it is just an anecdotal observation, but it made me snicker to myself. But, honestly, the professors that I have spoken with all seem very nice and genuine.

Was this on a friday? Its DEAD at school on Fridays, there are almost no clases on fridays, the law school opeartes M-Th bascilly, so most professors don't work fridays, or if they do, work 1/2 days simply becuase there are no students around then.

No, I know about the Mon-Thur schedule (which I love). This was on a Thursday.


Iím surprised, when I get there on Thursdays I see a lot of professors. Granted I donít get there till 4 PM, so those maybe the professors who are teaching evening classes that I see. I will say, thus far in going on 4 years of law school at DU every professor I have personally had I would rate as A or A- on a 4.0 scale. There are two whose teaching style I did not really like, but still they were good teachers and always willing to answer questions. Speaking of which this morning I e-mailed a prof a question I had and he responded in two hours, on a Sunday! I donít even check my work e-mail much less respond on Sundays. I thought that was pretty cool, now I donít have to wait till Monday to proceed on my project.

For all the professors that I have met there I would say this is accurate. I just didn't see any out and about.

I am stressing about paying rent though. I never thought there would be a problem with letting people borrow more money. It just seems strange to me. I am hoping that it gets worked out, as the picture looks bleak now.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on March 31, 2008, 11:23:15 AM
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The professors seemed nice.

I did like in the Q & A part about the professors that one of them said " the professors are so nice here, you will always find their doors open and you can hear them talking about teaching (actually, the dean said the last part). There is a very open atmosphere." The funny thing about that too me is that my wife and I went the day before to get a list of off campus apartments and we decided to walk around and see the school before all the open house people got there. It was probably 2pm when we went. We walked around the offices and saw maybe one or two doors open. Not only did we not hear people talking about teaching, we didn't hear any professors talking because all their doors were closed.

Not that this means anything, it is just an anecdotal observation, but it made me snicker to myself. But, honestly, the professors that I have spoken with all seem very nice and genuine.

Was this on a friday? Its DEAD at school on Fridays, there are almost no clases on fridays, the law school opeartes M-Th bascilly, so most professors don't work fridays, or if they do, work 1/2 days simply becuase there are no students around then.

No, I know about the Mon-Thur schedule (which I love). This was on a Thursday.

Mon-Thur schedule? This pretty much made my day... There's a really great music festival @ Red Rocks each year (Monolith), but it's a Fri/Sat thing. I was bummed about missing one full day of music, but perhaps I'll be able to catch a few performances now :)

KillTheHeadlights- Thx for sharing your thoughts on DU; it's definitely nice to hear positive feedback from other future students. And CONGRATS on the decision to attend!!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on April 04, 2008, 05:34:35 PM
I am probably going to drop a deposit down in the next few days.

INTENSE!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on April 10, 2008, 02:36:10 PM
I am also about to make my deposit.  This is terrifying!  I really think that I am making the right decision, but who can be sure?  Anyway, is there a facebook group for the class of 2011 yet?  What about a thread in the decided forum? 

Go DU! I think...

 ;)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on April 11, 2008, 08:46:59 AM
So I hear that seat deposits are due today, true? I don't have a decision yet, so hopefully it will come now that deposits are due...
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on April 11, 2008, 09:55:06 AM
Yep, they are due today.  I just paid mine over the phone!  I'm sure that if you haven't gotten a decision from them yet they will give you a different deadline for seat deposits.  Now I just have to decide if I want to make any more deposits or if my decision is made. Why is this decision hard? I really want to stay in Denver. It's just hard to close doors of opportunity I guess.  Good luck to you all as you make decisions!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on April 11, 2008, 11:06:52 AM
Matthies - Does DU typically send out another 'round' of acceptances once the seat deposit deadline passes? I haven't been rejected or waitlisted yet, so I think I have a decent chance based on my numbers.

Ladivine - Are you going to put down multiple deposits, and is that permitted?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on April 11, 2008, 01:32:10 PM
I haven't decided yet.  My others aren't due until the 15th, but I'm not sure if it is even worth delaying the inevitable because I'm pretty sure that I want to go to DU.  Paying multiple seat deposits is ceratainly allowed, but it's kind of like burning money, if you know where you really want to go. 

Matthies...may I ask you what kind of laptop you have?  Thanks! 
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: skinsfan123 on April 11, 2008, 02:34:11 PM
Did anyone post on DU's ASD?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on April 11, 2008, 02:43:52 PM
I'm not sure if anyone posted, but I went and loved it!  What would you like to know?
 :)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: skinsfan123 on April 11, 2008, 02:46:37 PM
Everything.

On a separate note,I hear CO, in general, is filled with a lot of nativists and East Coast haters. Anyone care to set the record straight?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on April 11, 2008, 03:10:34 PM
Well, to address your second question first, I am a Colorado native and certainly not an east coast hater.  However, I am a professional opera singer (big career jump for me, right?) and so I spend a lot of time back east for auditions and such. Not that it is east coast, but I spent 4 years in Chicago while getting my masters at Northwestern. I loved it, but am not a fan of the midwest. Colorado people LOVE Colorado, but are too happy to hate anything.  The thing that you will probably not like about Denver is that, compared to east coast cities, it doesn't have a great "city identity" if you know what I mean.  It is a very transient city, so you won't find many natives, and I personally think that the sports fans are very fair weather.  Anyway, no one will hate you because you are from the east coast. 

In regards to EVERYTHING about the ASD, I will try my best. The Dean welcomed us to the school and spoke about why he chose to become Dean a couple years ago.  Then a student panel took about an hour to answer any questions.  Then a  faculty panel did the same.  At that point we took a tour of the building, which is amazing.  Then we split into break out sessions based on our interests.  I went to the International Law session and the Trial Advocacy/Moot Court session.  The head of the International Law program is AMAZING.  Professor Nanda is totally the type of person that could mentor you into great opportunities in this field.  I also really like how practical everything is at DU.  It seems like we should have tons of time to practice our trial skills.  After the break out sessions there was a reception and I met some very nice people. 
Other thoughts:
-I love their Clinical/Internship programs
-I felt a little old...not really old, but I am 27 and could definitely tell that I was not coming straight out of undergrad. My friend who is 29 and a 2L said it is not a problem for him, but still, I hope there is a more mature crowd.
-I really want to be selected to go to the Hague during the summer (it is a writing contest).
-The international trial team sounds like it is doing very well (Matthies, any thoughts?)

Um, I am happy to answer more of your questions, but that's all I have for now, skinsfan.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: skinsfan123 on April 11, 2008, 06:47:12 PM
That was pretty helpful. You seem interested in International Law as well. That is what I am looking at right now. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on April 11, 2008, 10:36:12 PM
I put down my seat deposit on Thursday. I am pretty stoked.

I also went to admitted students day. I was impressed overall. The professors seemed great.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on April 11, 2008, 10:39:12 PM
Matthies...may I ask you what kind of laptop you have?  Thanks! 

Oh I am the WORST person to emulate on laptops. I have a HUGE honking beast of a laptop, last years version of this monster http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1730?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

It weighs like 50 pounds and has a 17 inch widescreen display. But, I donít study at school AT ALL. I just come to class and leave. So I only have to carry it to and from my car. I have bad ADD and there are just too many distractions at school for me to study (you would think it would be worse at home but its not, I have a home office that is shut off from the world, well except for LSD).

The lights dimming part was pretty good :)  I have a Macbook. I love it.

So in picking my laptop what was most important to me was a desktop replacement with POWER. I have a docking station at home with external monitor, printer, scanner, fax, full size keyboard and mouse, high speed net, back up drives and speakers. I just snap my laptop into the docking station and everything is connected at once. No plugging this or that in. So basically 95% of the time my laptop acts like a desktop, so portability was not important to me. I seriously bet I have the largest laptop at DU, the lights dim when I plug it in :)

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on April 18, 2008, 07:48:41 AM
Request for a current DU student: If you know anyone in admissions, can you please ask them if they plan to send out another batch of admittances anytime soon now that the first deposit deadline has passed? 7 months and still waiting for a decision, a letter, an email - something from DU!I did verify that I am complete and at committee.

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on April 18, 2008, 11:42:35 AM
Request for a current DU student: If you know anyone in admissions, can you please ask them if they plan to send out another batch of admittances anytime soon now that the first deposit deadline has passed? 7 months and still waiting for a decision, a letter, an email - something from DU!I did verify that I am complete and at committee.



Hang in there, not hear anything is always better than hearing no. I did not get my accpatnce until April I think.

I agree. . .it probably means you  are still being considered.  I didn't hear back from DU til May.  If you are really that curious, call them. . .everyone in admissions is nice.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on April 18, 2008, 08:54:14 PM
So I called financial aid last week and asked them if they would consider giving me more scholarship money. They said that they would get back to me sometime this week. They emailed me today and said they were going to up my scholarship offer from 15k to 20k a year. This was great news. This would have swayed my choice in favor of DU even if CU said yes (which they didn't).

I am getting pretty excited to started. Twelve grand a year for a good law school seems like a great deal to me!

I am feeling pretty grateful right now. It looks like the countless hours spent studying for the LSAT are paying off!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on April 21, 2008, 09:05:03 AM
Thanks! I agree - the admissions staff has been great, and when I call never appear to be put off!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on April 21, 2008, 02:47:19 PM
Anyone know if there is a way to tell if you have been admitted by looking at the DU status checker? It no longer says pending so I know a decision has been made. Have read some things about trying to pull up the housing application, but heard they took that down now?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on April 21, 2008, 04:05:57 PM
I applied to the PT program with approx a 156/3.0 and great soft factors. Honestly, I should get in as I have also gotten in to a few other similar ranked schools PT programs. O ya, I just checked the ststus check and I am able to open up the housing application! A while ago someone posted that if you can open that, you are admitted, but then they took that feature down. Well, I can open it so hopefully thatis good news.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: familyman on April 21, 2008, 06:20:21 PM
Yes, it is looking like my top choice and I am excited to come out to Denver. I do have a question for you about commute times. How reasonable would it be to live NW of the school, towards Broomfield or even north of there? We would likely live south, but in the event I get a job elsewhere I was just wondering if it would be doable.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on April 21, 2008, 08:07:43 PM
I don't think there is a surefire way of knowing if you are in or not, but so far if you can access the housing app you are in. Just because that has been the case 100% of the time now doesn't mean it will continue to be, but it should be encouraging.

I think we could say congrats and not be jumping the gun. Congrats!


Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on April 22, 2008, 11:31:15 AM
Even during rush hour, traffic in Denver isn't really that bad.  Unless you've lived in a rural area with 1 stop light for the most of your life, you'll find that Denver commute is really doable.  I have classmates who commute from Colo Springs!  Would I do it? No.  But it's certainly doable.  From Broomfield I would look at about 30-45mins depending on the time of day and how fast you drive.   ;)

Hope good news is on your way!  Let us know.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on April 28, 2008, 08:01:32 AM
I finally found an apartment for next year and i'm beyond excited... Though it is nerve-wracking, as I have not seen the place in-person.

The complex is called The Covington at Cherry Creek and is only about three miles south of DU. For a 3rd floor, 1065sq.ft, 2bed/2bath place rent is around 880. Utilities aren't included, though :( I was seeking out a place with a good pet policy and a washer/dryer in unit, and The Covington has both. My sig. other is a pharmacist in the Denver area, and I will living/splitting rent with him, and am very thankful for that opportunity-- It's letting me cut back on my loan amount by about $400-500 each year, and every little bit helps.

Have any of you heard of this apartment complex before? I'm praying that I didn't just put a deposit on a total dump, but based on online reviews/photos it seems nice enough. Only three more months!!!  ;D

I'm stoked that it's biking distance from DU (and walking distance if I have extra time on my hands)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: maesepedro on April 28, 2008, 11:36:34 AM
anyone taking the bait on the summer preview class?

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: skinsfan123 on April 28, 2008, 02:01:32 PM
I visited DU a couple weeks ago. I really like the school and absolutely loved the city. However, I'm having a hard time deciding between American University and DU.

AU is one of the most expensive schools in the country. I can allay some of those costs by living at home, but that would suck, and I'd still come out with well over 110k in debt. However, AU is known for its International Law program, which is what I want to study.

DU offered me a great scholarship and I really feel like I could be more competitive there. There are ample opportunities in the city and I loved the laid back vibe of life out by the mountains. I was told that the class size would be reduced to around 200 students from the upper 300's, but I wasn't offered any sort of guarantee on that. I feel like this would almost be a deal breaker. I'd like to go to a school with a smaller class size and a better faculty/student ratio. Can anyone confirm that this is actually happening or is admissions using this as a tool to lure people in?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: rekopter on April 28, 2008, 05:06:20 PM
In by phone call this afternoon. Very excited!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: skinsfan123 on April 29, 2008, 10:13:37 AM
I visited DU a couple weeks ago. I really like the school and absolutely loved the city. However, I'm having a hard time deciding between American University and DU.

AU is one of the most expensive schools in the country. I can allay some of those costs by living at home, but that would suck, and I'd still come out with well over 110k in debt. However, AU is known for its International Law program, which is what I want to study.

DU offered me a great scholarship and I really feel like I could be more competitive there. There are ample opportunities in the city and I loved the laid back vibe of life out by the mountains. I was told that the class size would be reduced to around 200 students from the upper 300's, but I wasn't offered any sort of guarantee on that. I feel like this would almost be a deal breaker. I'd like to go to a school with a smaller class size and a better faculty/student ratio. Can anyone confirm that this is actually happening or is admissions using this as a tool to lure people in?


The dean sent out an email a few weeks ago about ranking and mentioned that the class was going to be smaller, I canít remember if he said it was for this coming year or next, but if thatís what you were told maybe its for this years incoming class. Even then 300 would be for the day AND evening divisions, not just for the day. Our evening divisions was like 92 students. Plus your divided into like 60-70 person class sections out of the 200 day students (all night students are in one section).

I would NOT put much stock into thinking you would be more competitive at DU than AU, if you think that based on LSAT score. First and foremost its been my experience in real life there is not a very good correlation between LSAT and actual performance, not enough to give any credence to think you would do better at one school than another. Second it seems, again from personal experience, the more one prepped for the LSAT the lower the actual correlation is. Finally, it would be unwise to think that everyone who comes to DU came there as the highest ranked school they could get into. The vast majority of my classmates only applied to CO schools, even if their numbers where high enough to get them into better schools, because they did not want to leave the state.

In the end my advice would be go to the school and you think you will enjoy the most. DU has a good international program, but it does not likely make up for being in D.C. for the types of internships you could get. But you may change your focus anyway once you get in law school. So go to the school you think you will enjoy most for 3 years and is where you want to live after school. Good luck with your decision.


I didn't mean I'd be more competitive because DU isn't a good school. I meant more competitive for reviews and journals 1) because the class size would be significantly smaller and 2) I would be more competitive in the job market in Denver with a DU degree (arguably the 2nd best school in region, depending on who you ask) than I would be in the DC market with an AU degree (arguably 4th best school in region, depending on who you ask).
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on April 29, 2008, 11:22:33 AM
I finally found an apartment for next year and i'm beyond excited... Though it is nerve-wracking, as I have not seen the place in-person.

The complex is called The Covington at Cherry Creek and is only about three miles south of DU. For a 3rd floor, 1065sq.ft, 2bed/2bath place rent is around 880. Utilities aren't included, though :( I was seeking out a place with a good pet policy and a washer/dryer in unit, and The Covington has both. My sig. other is a pharmacist in the Denver area, and I will living/splitting rent with him, and am very thankful for that opportunity-- It's letting me cut back on my loan amount by about $400-500 each year, and every little bit helps.

Have any of you heard of this apartment complex before? I'm praying that I didn't just put a deposit on a total dump, but based on online reviews/photos it seems nice enough. Only three more months!!!  ;D

I'm stoked that it's biking distance from DU (and walking distance if I have extra time on my hands)

A couple of my friends lived & some still live in the Covington.  It is a pretty decent apt complex.  I'm not sure if it's walking distance though. . .at least I couldn't walk that far.  But then again, maybe I'm just too lazy or out of shape.   :P
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on April 29, 2008, 11:24:20 AM
anyone taking the bait on the summer preview class?



I've heard mixed reviews about this.  My year, it was free. . .I don't know why they started charging people.  I say it is more a psychologicial help than anything else (calms the nerves about law school, etc).
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on April 29, 2008, 11:24:50 AM
In by phone call this afternoon. Very excited!

Congrats!! :)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on April 29, 2008, 11:29:05 AM
I visited DU a couple weeks ago. I really like the school and absolutely loved the city. However, I'm having a hard time deciding between American University and DU.

AU is one of the most expensive schools in the country. I can allay some of those costs by living at home, but that would suck, and I'd still come out with well over 110k in debt. However, AU is known for its International Law program, which is what I want to study.

DU offered me a great scholarship and I really feel like I could be more competitive there. There are ample opportunities in the city and I loved the laid back vibe of life out by the mountains. I was told that the class size would be reduced to around 200 students from the upper 300's, but I wasn't offered any sort of guarantee on that. I feel like this would almost be a deal breaker. I'd like to go to a school with a smaller class size and a better faculty/student ratio. Can anyone confirm that this is actually happening or is admissions using this as a tool to lure people in?


The dean sent out an email a few weeks ago about ranking and mentioned that the class was going to be smaller, I canít remember if he said it was for this coming year or next, but if thatís what you were told maybe its for this years incoming class. Even then 300 would be for the day AND evening divisions, not just for the day. Our evening divisions was like 92 students. Plus your divided into like 60-70 person class sections out of the 200 day students (all night students are in one section).

I would NOT put much stock into thinking you would be more competitive at DU than AU, if you think that based on LSAT score. First and foremost its been my experience in real life there is not a very good correlation between LSAT and actual performance, not enough to give any credence to think you would do better at one school than another. Second it seems, again from personal experience, the more one prepped for the LSAT the lower the actual correlation is. Finally, it would be unwise to think that everyone who comes to DU came there as the highest ranked school they could get into. The vast majority of my classmates only applied to CO schools, even if their numbers where high enough to get them into better schools, because they did not want to leave the state.

In the end my advice would be go to the school and you think you will enjoy the most. DU has a good international program, but it does not likely make up for being in D.C. for the types of internships you could get. But you may change your focus anyway once you get in law school. So go to the school you think you will enjoy most for 3 years and is where you want to live after school. Good luck with your decision.


I didn't mean I'd be more competitive because DU isn't a good school. I meant more competitive for reviews and journals 1) because the class size would be significantly smaller and 2) I would be more competitive in the job market in Denver with a DU degree (arguably the 2nd best school in region, depending on who you ask) than I would be in the DC market with an AU degree (arguably 4th best school in region, depending on who you ask).

Go to the school in the region where you want to live/work after law school.  DU is a good school but if you want to stay in the DC area, AU would be a smarter, easier choice.  Because both schools are "regional" schools, law firms/attorneys are bias towards the students in area schools (bigger alumni base, regional office OCI, clercking during school year, tc).  Besides, it is easier to network with people when you are already there. . .networking is HUGE.  You have a tough decision ahead of you. . .but it is a good place to be.  Good luck!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on April 29, 2008, 11:30:15 AM
Ok I think I procrastinated enough for one day.  Good luck on finals Matthies, Cesco, & all the other law students/undergrads!  :)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on May 01, 2008, 07:00:19 AM
I finally found an apartment for next year and i'm beyond excited... Though it is nerve-wracking, as I have not seen the place in-person.

The complex is called The Covington at Cherry Creek and is only about three miles south of DU. For a 3rd floor, 1065sq.ft, 2bed/2bath place rent is around 880. Utilities aren't included, though :( I was seeking out a place with a good pet policy and a washer/dryer in unit, and The Covington has both. My sig. other is a pharmacist in the Denver area, and I will living/splitting rent with him, and am very thankful for that opportunity-- It's letting me cut back on my loan amount by about $400-500 each year, and every little bit helps.

Have any of you heard of this apartment complex before? I'm praying that I didn't just put a deposit on a total dump, but based on online reviews/photos it seems nice enough. Only three more months!!!  ;D

I'm stoked that it's biking distance from DU (and walking distance if I have extra time on my hands)

A couple of my friends lived & some still live in the Covington.  It is a pretty decent apt complex.  I'm not sure if it's walking distance though. . .at least I couldn't walk that far.  But then again, maybe I'm just too lazy or out of shape.   :P

6 miles of walking in one day (not counting misc. walking) IS a lot, so I doubt that your lazy or out of shape  ;) I'll definitely be biking more than walking... And come snowy winter, i'll be driving. I'm def. glad to hear that The Covington isn't dirty, disgusting, and poorly managed. Thanks for the reply :)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on May 01, 2008, 07:01:04 AM
In by phone call this afternoon. Very excited!
Awesome!!!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on May 04, 2008, 09:07:43 AM
I am getting pretty excited to come out. This summer is the first time in two years I will not be attending school so I am going to soak up all the free time I have, as I am only working 40 hours a week. It is amazing how working and going to school can make working only 40 hours a week feel like a vacation.

How did finals go. I would be very interested to see a final exam that a professor has administered. Does anyone have one? Clearly I mean an example one that teachers give out, not a stolen copy :) Also, are there any books that show example exams in law school? It would be a good summer read.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on May 04, 2008, 02:19:47 PM
I am getting pretty excited to come out. This summer is the first time in two years I will not be attending school so I am going to soak up all the free time I have, as I am only working 40 hours a week. It is amazing how working and going to school can make working only 40 hours a week feel like a vacation.

How did finals go. I would be very interested to see a final exam that a professor has administered. Does anyone have one? Clearly I mean an example one that teachers give out, not a stolen copy :) Also, are there any books that show example exams in law school? It would be a good summer read.




well we got our apt assigned, its in cavalier over on gaylord st...supposedly walking distance from law school.  i HAVE to lose this muffin top   :P

Exams just started they don't end til the 15th, so we are in the thick of it now :)
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on May 05, 2008, 09:14:03 AM
I am getting pretty excited to come out. This summer is the first time in two years I will not be attending school so I am going to soak up all the free time I have, as I am only working 40 hours a week. It is amazing how working and going to school can make working only 40 hours a week feel like a vacation.

How did finals go. I would be very interested to see a final exam that a professor has administered. Does anyone have one? Clearly I mean an example one that teachers give out, not a stolen copy :) Also, are there any books that show example exams in law school? It would be a good summer read.

Exams just started they don't end til the 15th, so we are in the thick of it now :)

That sucks. I was looking at the school schedule for next year and it looks like we get a month off for Christmas break--that will be sweet! But getting out of school in May will kind of suck. I have been done school for two weeks. But at my school now there is no spring break, so having one of those will be nice also.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on May 05, 2008, 01:59:42 PM
I have a friend that lives in the Covington.  She really likes it...it's pretty nice, although I don't love the area it's in.  It is not within walking distance of DU.  I'm building a townhome in Lowry, which isn't walking distance either, but I LOVE the area. 
Question for one of the current students:  Do you part in the law lot?  Is it pretty easy to get a parking pass?  The website said that passes go on sale on May 20.  Thoughts?

I'm getting SO excited! I still have't decided whether I am going to take the summer preview course or not, and I'm stressing about what kind of computer to buy, but I AM PUMPED! 
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: Thistle on May 05, 2008, 05:52:48 PM
I am getting pretty excited to come out. This summer is the first time in two years I will not be attending school so I am going to soak up all the free time I have, as I am only working 40 hours a week. It is amazing how working and going to school can make working only 40 hours a week feel like a vacation.

How did finals go. I would be very interested to see a final exam that a professor has administered. Does anyone have one? Clearly I mean an example one that teachers give out, not a stolen copy :) Also, are there any books that show example exams in law school? It would be a good summer read.

I think Gaylord is east of the school, near the off campus frat houses, maybe you will get cat-called on your way to school Ash  :P. Should not be a bad walk, so long as its not a blizzard. Buy some good snow proof walking shoes/boots


well we got our apt assigned, its in cavalier over on gaylord st...supposedly walking distance from law school.  i HAVE to lose this muffin top   :P

Exams just started they don't end til the 15th, so we are in the thick of it now :)



one can always hope!  i may even learn how to quote posts correctly  :P
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on May 09, 2008, 11:10:31 PM
I am getting pretty excited to come out. This summer is the first time in two years I will not be attending school so I am going to soak up all the free time I have, as I am only working 40 hours a week. It is amazing how working and going to school can make working only 40 hours a week feel like a vacation.

How did finals go. I would be very interested to see a final exam that a professor has administered. Does anyone have one? Clearly I mean an example one that teachers give out, not a stolen copy :) Also, are there any books that show example exams in law school? It would be a good summer read.

I think Gaylord is east of the school, near the off campus frat houses, maybe you will get cat-called on your way to school Ash  :P. Should not be a bad walk, so long as its not a blizzard. Buy some good snow proof walking shoes/boots


well we got our apt assigned, its in cavalier over on gaylord st...supposedly walking distance from law school.  i HAVE to lose this muffin top   :P

Exams just started they don't end til the 15th, so we are in the thick of it now :)



one can always hope!  i may even learn how to quote posts correctly  :P

I had friends who lived in cavalier last year. . .it's a typical on campus style apt complex not far from campus.  I wouldn't go as far as to say it's ON campus but it's on the very edge if that makes sense.  It definitely is walking/biking distance.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on May 09, 2008, 11:13:19 PM
Question for one of the current students:  Do you part in the law lot?  Is it pretty easy to get a parking pass?  The website said that passes go on sale on May 20.  Thoughts?


Buy it the day it comes out, or else you might be put on the waiting list, it gets sold out fast. Well worth it in crapp weather becuase its attached to the building.

My first year, I bought it during orientation.  The garage is SO convenient. . .except I stil don't understand why we can park on every floor except the one with direct access to the entrance.  Anyway, I would highly recommend buying it.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on May 09, 2008, 11:30:14 PM
I am getting pretty excited to come out. This summer is the first time in two years I will not be attending school so I am going to soak up all the free time I have, as I am only working 40 hours a week. It is amazing how working and going to school can make working only 40 hours a week feel like a vacation.

How did finals go. I would be very interested to see a final exam that a professor has administered. Does anyone have one? Clearly I mean an example one that teachers give out, not a stolen copy :) Also, are there any books that show example exams in law school? It would be a good summer read.

Now's probably not the best time to ask how finals are going.  In one word, I am EXHAUSTED.

Sample finals are available if you can log onto the law library website.  I think you can also google for some.  But as far as an example of ones I've taken, I don't have any.  They make us turn it in at the end of finals or make us destroy them (if it's a take home).

There are tons of books with example exams. . .Examples & Explanations, Emmanuels, Gilberts, just to name a few.  I know you're not going to listen to this advice but I would NOT read or worry about learning the law over the summer.  You'll get your fair share over the semester.  It doesn't help once school starts anyway because your professor might not even cover what you read.  I know you are excited about law school and might want to get a head start but honestly, taking a break & reading/doing something for fun probably will help more.  If you HAVE to read something law related, books like Getting to Maybe, Guerrilla Tactics to Getting the Legal Job of Your Dreams, Law School Confidential, etc.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 16, 2008, 12:03:48 PM
done with finals...2 weeks off until summer classes!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on May 19, 2008, 02:36:29 AM
Another parking related question:

Do people with motorcycles need to get a permit? I noticed there were a few motorcycles parked by the entrance in the garage during student orientation days. Is there a special permit for motorcyclists? Over 400 dollars seems like a ton of money to spend on parking my vehicle.


Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on June 06, 2008, 11:34:49 PM
The new website at DU is a significant upgrade. I was impressed. I am getting ready to plunk down my second tuition deposit.


Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on June 08, 2008, 06:13:33 PM
The new website at DU is a significant upgrade. I was impressed. I am getting ready to plunk down my second tuition deposit.




it's about time. the old website was terrible.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ms10 on June 13, 2008, 08:59:57 AM
tag
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on June 17, 2008, 11:22:30 AM
I saw this on my financial aid page:

DU Need-Based FFEL Grant LW 10,000$

What is that? I am assuming that it is a grant, but I was not notified about it. Does anyone know anything about these grants?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on June 17, 2008, 11:56:49 PM
I checked with the office of financial aid and they said that it is a grant that I do not have to pay back! Sweet! I am only going to be paying a couple grand for tuition. Also, the Celts won today, so I am ecstatic.  Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on July 15, 2008, 04:15:35 PM
I got my schedule of classes today!  I can't wait!  Matthies, can you give me any info on the following Profs? 

Civil Pro-Hardaway
Crim-Miccio
Lawyering Process-Thompson
Torts-Pepper

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on July 16, 2008, 03:56:03 PM
I got my schedule of classes today!  I can't wait!  Matthies, can you give me any info on the following Profs? 

Civil Pro-Hardaway
Crim-Miccio
Lawyering Process-Thompson
Torts-Pepper

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

Hardaway is a character all right!  I had him for Civ Pro fall 07.  You do have to get over the fact that he uses a mircrophone in a small classroom, which is weird.  I used to make the class interesting by typing all the rediculous phrases that he uses.  Example:  "The Supreme Court did not have to address issue X, but Justice Y just had to guild the lilly." 

He uses a card system as matthies described, but it is far from random.  The same people get called on all the time! He does work really hard to make sure people understand things by having an after class session every day.  I did not attend any after class sessions and did well in the class, so they are not necessary but if you are not understanding things I would definetely attend. 

His test was aweful...The test packet was 75 pages, with 4.5 hours to complete the exam.  I would say 80% of the class was still there when I left with 5 min remaining. 

He has the AAP people administer practice exams over each topic, which I thought were extremely beneficial.  Even if you do not attend all the practice tests, email the AAP person and ask for the test and the answer key so you can do it on your own time.  The practice tests are usually verbatim old bar exam questions, so it is great practice.  Whoever gets the top score on the practice test gets a fantastic prize...a book Hardaway wrote on some infamous murder in Denver. 


Just a few phrases Hardaway will likely use, and you may never find them in any supplement:
-Under Color of Law
-Raw Power
-Reverse Erie


Take good note, always be prepared for class, and study like hell for the exam!!  Let me know if you have any other questions about Hardaway or 1L generally.

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on July 16, 2008, 07:31:10 PM
Hardaway: Even if you hate his class (though most seem like him after you get over the teaching style), you'll love his annual Halloween party.  He is an expert in many areas including transportation law, criminal law, etc.  Didn't have him but met him on a few occassions. . .definitely unique & will never remember your name (as you'll soon find out).

Miccio: Personally, she scares me. . .but as Matthies said, she is love or hate.  She's really really big on feminism, gay rights, and everything NY (including the Yankees).

Thompson: Dunno. . .but LP is LP. . .I personally don't think it matters who you have.  They are all about the same.

Pepper:  My 1L year, my torts section was divided into two, and the other half of my section had Pepper. . .most hated him.  His big area in law is ethics/legal profession.

On another note, I suggest checking out the professor evals online.  They are under the registrar page, faculty evaluations. . .I think you have to email Lauri or Julie to get the password (there should be an instruction on who to email on that page).

Anyone volunteering at orientation this year?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: LittleMissMeeba on July 16, 2008, 08:37:04 PM
Hey all... I received my schedule as well :)

Civil Procedure: Marsh
Contracts: Moffat
LP: Anderson
Criminal LAw: Still doesn't have a name...

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. And thanks SoManyQuestions, for the tip to check out the evals.

I move in three days!!! Finally!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on July 17, 2008, 08:41:51 AM
Hey all... I received my schedule as well :)

Civil Procedure: Marsh
Contracts: Moffat
LP: Anderson
Criminal LAw: Still doesn't have a name...

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. And thanks SoManyQuestions, for the tip to check out the evals.

I move in three days!!! Finally!

Did they email them or you just checked?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on July 17, 2008, 09:34:50 AM
Thanks for the insight!  Hardaway sounds hilarious, although his exam sounds insane...good to know, though.  I have a feeling that I will be on the love side of Miccio since I am big into feminist issues and gay rights as well. She sounds fascinating. It's too bad that nobody liked Pepper in your section because I am really excited for Torts. I guess we'll see.

Killtheheadlights, the only reason I know about the schedule is because I called the registrar (getting antsy) and they had be added to myweb.  You can check there under the registration tabs. 

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on July 19, 2008, 01:35:46 PM
Hey all... I received my schedule as well :)

Civil Procedure: Marsh
Contracts: Moffat
LP: Anderson
Criminal LAw: Still doesn't have a name...

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. And thanks SoManyQuestions, for the tip to check out the evals.

I move in three days!!! Finally!

Marsh is my favorite professor so far!  I had her for property, and I am taking trusts & estates this fall.  Just make sure you have always done the reading, because she hates it when people are unprepared.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on July 22, 2008, 08:35:31 AM
I received my schedule also, well it isn't actually a schedule, it is just a list of classes and who is teaching them. I wish it had time but it does not. Here is the list:

Torts- no teacher
Civil Procedure- Katharine DuVivier
Criminal Law- Sam Kamin
Lawyering Process I- Tanya Brown

What do you think? Is there a place where I can see what times these classes are at? I have clicked on every schedule link but to no avail.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on July 23, 2008, 03:56:37 PM
I received my schedule also, well it isn't actually a schedule, it is just a list of classes and who is teaching them. I wish it had time but it does not. Here is the list:

Torts- no teacher
Civil Procedure- Katharine DuVivier
Criminal Law- Sam Kamin
Lawyering Process I- Tanya Brown

What do you think? Is there a place where I can see what times these classes are at? I have clicked on every schedule link but to no avail.

KK is really nice but so boring.  As if civ pro wasn't bad enough, her soft spoken voice and lectures will put you right to sleep.  Her final is a typing test. . .whoever types the fastest wins.  She has a midterm (which virtually doesn't count so it's a nice practice test).  Again, I suggest checking out the faculty evals. . .under the registrar's page.

For the schedule of classes, try this:
http://law.du.edu/forms/registrar/class-schedules/output_schedules.cfm?ID=Fall%202008

http://law.du.edu/index.php/registrar/class-schedules
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on July 24, 2008, 09:16:05 PM
I received my schedule also, well it isn't actually a schedule, it is just a list of classes and who is teaching them. I wish it had time but it does not. Here is the list:

Torts- no teacher
Civil Procedure- Katharine DuVivier
Criminal Law- Sam Kamin
Lawyering Process I- Tanya Brown

What do you think? Is there a place where I can see what times these classes are at? I have clicked on every schedule link but to no avail.

KK is really nice but so boring.  As if civ pro wasn't bad enough, her soft spoken voice and lectures will put you right to sleep.  Her final is a typing test. . .whoever types the fastest wins.  She has a midterm (which virtually doesn't count so it's a nice practice test).  Again, I suggest checking out the faculty evals. . .under the registrar's page.

For the schedule of classes, try this:
http://law.du.edu/forms/registrar/class-schedules/output_schedules.cfm?ID=Fall%202008

http://law.du.edu/index.php/registrar/class-schedules
I received my schedule also, well it isn't actually a schedule, it is just a list of classes and who is teaching them. I wish it had time but it does not. Here is the list:

Torts- no teacher
Civil Procedure- Katharine DuVivier
Criminal Law- Sam Kamin
Lawyering Process I- Tanya Brown

What do you think? Is there a place where I can see what times these classes are at? I have clicked on every schedule link but to no avail.

Try this:

Log on to WebCentral

Then click on the ďmyWebĒ tab

Then Banner Self Service folder

Then Student and Finical Aid folder

Then Registration Folder

Then Student Detail Schedule

Then choose ďAutumn Semester 2008Ē

Click submit

You should see each class and under ďscheduled meeting timesĒ the days/time/classrooms for your classes. If its not here, its not posted yet.

I had Kamin for Crim Law, he's good, but has some ideoscracies, like don't ever walk in front of him if your late and he has started class, he will lose it. I thought he was going to have aheart attck when a girl in our class did that.


Thanks for the comments and instructions. They worked. I have class until 4 :( and I also have class on Friday till 4. That is far from ideal, but it shouldn't be too bad.

Where do you guys get your school books from? Where can I see what the required texts are for the classes I have?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on July 25, 2008, 08:30:22 PM
Book options on campus: DU Bookstore in Driscoll (building in front of the law school) or the SBA bookstore
Off campus: amazon, half, etc

1st semester 1L year, I got all my books at the bookstore.  After realizing I didn't need brand new books, I never went back (other than for a car decal & sweatshirt).

The book list is usually on the advanced assignment page (under registrar, course info).  OR. . .you can go to the du bookstore website and check to see if the booklist is updated (you have to know your course # & prof name).

You're ganna buy your book now?  WHY?  Understandably (is that even a word?) you are excited but you still have plenty of time to purchase books before classes.  You have 3 weeks or so til orientation?  TAKE ADVANTAGE!!  Go buy/borrow/steal some FUN/NON Law books and read away because you won't have time once classes start.

**This message brought to you by a 3L who spent 3 hours and $60 at B&N buying fun/non law books today. ;D
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: FutureMissAmerica on July 26, 2008, 10:04:50 PM
Thanks for the insight!  Hardaway sounds hilarious, although his exam sounds insane...good to know, though.  I have a feeling that I will be on the love side of Miccio since I am big into feminist issues and gay rights as well. She sounds fascinating. It's too bad that nobody liked Pepper in your section because I am really excited for Torts. I guess we'll see.

Killtheheadlights, the only reason I know about the schedule is because I called the registrar (getting antsy) and they had be added to myweb.  You can check there under the registration tabs. 



Ladivina,im in your section :) I just joined this forum but anyways, I guess I'll be meeting you soon.

Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on July 27, 2008, 07:42:34 AM
Book options on campus: DU Bookstore in Driscoll (building in front of the law school) or the SBA bookstore
Off campus: amazon, half, etc

1st semester 1L year, I got all my books at the bookstore.  After realizing I didn't need brand new books, I never went back (other than for a car decal & sweatshirt).

The book list is usually on the advanced assignment page (under registrar, course info).  OR. . .you can go to the du bookstore website and check to see if the booklist is updated (you have to know your course # & prof name).

You're ganna buy your book now?  WHY?  Understandably (is that even a word?) you are excited but you still have plenty of time to purchase books before classes.  You have 3 weeks or so til orientation?  TAKE ADVANTAGE!!  Go buy/borrow/steal some FUN/NON Law books and read away because you won't have time once classes start.

**This message brought to you by a 3L who spent 3 hours and $60 at B&N buying fun/non law books today. ;D

Yeah, not the reason I was asking. I didn't want to get a jump start on the reading, I want to get the online so I can save money. I wanted to find the best deal and still get them in time to have them on the first day of class.

Don't worry, I am doing nothing right now. Well, I am moving to Denver on the first, so I am doing a lot of stuff to get ready to move my family there, but other than that I am have no scholastic pursuits at the moment.

By the way, I read on DU's website that the light rail pass is only good at certain stops in Denver. My wife and I are moving to Sante Fe/Mineral and I was wondering if I will be able to take the light rail for free from that far away?
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on July 27, 2008, 12:34:19 PM
Book options on campus: DU Bookstore in Driscoll (building in front of the law school) or the SBA bookstore
Off campus: amazon, half, etc

1st semester 1L year, I got all my books at the bookstore.  After realizing I didn't need brand new books, I never went back (other than for a car decal & sweatshirt).

The book list is usually on the advanced assignment page (under registrar, course info).  OR. . .you can go to the du bookstore website and check to see if the booklist is updated (you have to know your course # & prof name).

You're ganna buy your book now?  WHY?  Understandably (is that even a word?) you are excited but you still have plenty of time to purchase books before classes.  You have 3 weeks or so til orientation?  TAKE ADVANTAGE!!  Go buy/borrow/steal some FUN/NON Law books and read away because you won't have time once classes start.

**This message brought to you by a 3L who spent 3 hours and $60 at B&N buying fun/non law books today. ;D

Yeah, not the reason I was asking. I didn't want to get a jump start on the reading, I want to get the online so I can save money. I wanted to find the best deal and still get them in time to have them on the first day of class.

Don't worry, I am doing nothing right now. Well, I am moving to Denver on the first, so I am doing a lot of stuff to get ready to move my family there, but other than that I am have no scholastic pursuits at the moment.

By the way, I read on DU's website that the light rail pass is only good at certain stops in Denver. My wife and I are moving to Sante Fe/Mineral and I was wondering if I will be able to take the light rail for free from that far away?

Yes.  You'll get a sticker to put on your ID that is good for any stop/train/bus. . .not that anyone really checks anyway.

Good luck with your move!
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: bufflover on July 27, 2008, 04:08:31 PM
kill the headlights-- I believe I have the same schedule. Are you in section 1?


...does anybody know the password for faculty evaluations page? I emailed a while ago and didn't receive a response..
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on July 27, 2008, 07:20:41 PM
yes, i know it. . .but i won't post it.  pm me and i'll give it to you.  or, you can email/call lauri, julie, or wait til orientation.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ShakedownStreet on July 27, 2008, 09:02:30 PM


By the way, I read on DU's website that the light rail pass is only good at certain stops in Denver. My wife and I are moving to Sante Fe/Mineral and I was wondering if I will be able to take the light rail for free from that far away?


The light rail pass is good for all stops on the light rail.  I have used my pass, and  been checked, on every light rail route.   Here is the website: http://www.du.edu/transcenter/#passes

 
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on July 28, 2008, 12:54:49 AM
kill the headlights-- I believe I have the same schedule. Are you in section 1?


...does anybody know the password for faculty evaluations page? I emailed a while ago and didn't receive a response..

Yeah, I am in 1A. It looks like we have the same section.

Just out of curiosity, why don't we use the DU page to post? It seems like that would be the best place. It doesn't seem like that page gets a lot of traffic.

Thanks for the bus info. For some reason I thought that I saw that the pass we get makes it so you can only ride from A-B, B-A; B-C, C-B. I must have been misreading something. The pass will make it nice and far less pricey.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: somanyquestions on July 28, 2008, 09:50:18 AM


By the way, I read on DU's website that the light rail pass is only good at certain stops in Denver. My wife and I are moving to Sante Fe/Mineral and I was wondering if I will be able to take the light rail for free from that far away?


The light rail pass is good for all stops on the light rail.  I have used my pass, and  been checked, on every light rail route.   Here is the website: http://www.du.edu/transcenter/#passes

 

REALLY?  That sucks.  In the past two years, I've never been asked to show my ID/pass.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: bufflover on July 29, 2008, 12:30:01 AM



Just out of curiosity, why don't we use the DU page to post? It seems like that would be the best place.



Agreed.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: kill the headlights on July 29, 2008, 07:46:11 AM



Just out of curiosity, why don't we use the DU page to post? It seems like that would be the best place.



Agreed.

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/students/index.php/topic,4013048.0.html

There is the thread I started. It is under DU. Let's use this one, everyone posting on this thread is already admitted or already attending.
Title: Re: University of Denver
Post by: ladivina on July 30, 2008, 11:27:46 AM
Thanks for the insight!  Hardaway sounds hilarious, although his exam sounds insane...good to know, though.  I have a feeling that I will be on the love side of Miccio since I am big into feminist issues and gay rights as well. She sounds fascinating. It's too bad that nobody liked Pepper in your section because I am really excited for Torts. I guess we'll see.

Killtheheadlights, the only reason I know about the schedule is because I called the registrar (getting antsy) and they had be added to myweb.  You can check there under the registration tabs. 



Ladivina,im in your section :) I just joined this forum but anyways, I guess I'll be meeting you soon.




Hi!  So, I'm pretty sure that I know who you are because you friended me on facebook (I think, based on your screen name).  I'm glad that you are in my section...my friends who are current/former students have good things to say about our profs, for the most part. Looking forward to meeting you!