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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: k3 on February 26, 2008, 06:53:43 PM

Title: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: k3 on February 26, 2008, 06:53:43 PM
So as I go on my wild BC tear across the LSD boards, I figured I'd pose a couple of questions re: scholarship money.

My numbers are good, but nothing to write home about. I've been offered scholarships at both Tulane and Northeastern (Tulane a lot, Northeastern not so much). BC is clearly my first choice at this point, and I'm really excited about going there, but I haven't heard from them about money yet.

My first question is, how long did those of you who got scholarships wait after your acceptance to hear about them? I'm also curious about numbers, but I wouldn't ask you to post them unless you feel comfortable. How generous is BC with financial aid?

Second part of the question is, I'm wondering if it's rude to ask for money if I'm not sure if I'm going to get it. I feel like I don't have that much leverage given that my scholarships are from lower-ranked schools, so barring any money from one of the other schools I'm waiting on, I don't know what my bargaining power is, if any. I'd love to let BC know that they are my first choice, and I could absolutely commit to them they threw me a financial bone (anything would help). Is this appropriate to do? I don't want to seem sleazy or ungrateful. When should I do it? Has anyone else done this?

Ayy...I'm dancing around in my chair to American Idol and avoiding a paper. Indulge me.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: chammon2 on February 26, 2008, 07:07:40 PM
I was awarded full tuition at Toledo (ranked 85) so I tried to use it to my advantage at Loyola-Chicago (70), Richmond (77), Georgia State (82), and Pepperdine (66).  I wrote a very polite email informing each school about my scholarship and letting them know that I preferred them to Toledo, so it wouldn't take a full ride to make me want to attend.

Loyola and Richmond got back to me quickly.  One was polite, the other was not, but both said that Toledo was too good an opportunity to pass up and that I would not be getting any money from them.  As of now (this was two weeks ago on Friday) Georgia State and Pepperdine have not responded.

I think a lot of it had to do with Toledo's ranking compared to them.  Today I was accepted by Case Western (53) and from what I have seen on LSD, I think my acceptance alone there serves as better leverage than money at a worse school.  I'm going to write another email to Pepperdine and Georgia State to inform them of my acceptance at Case and considering the fact it is ranked higher and I live in Ohio, it should suggest that they need to throw me something to keep my interest.  I'm not sure if it will work, but I am going to try.

In your case, I would just tell them that they are your top choice and where you have been accepted.  Tell them you're ready to sign on the dotted line if they can just help you out a little.  Let them know that they can make your decision for you.  I looked at your numbers on LSN and I don't think it would be wrong for you to ask for a little help.  It's not like they gave you some huge gift just by accepting you.  Just be polite and make sure you kiss their ass the whole time.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: Sergio on February 26, 2008, 07:36:20 PM
I also got a full tuition offer from Toledo and was looking to use it as leverage also.  However, mine would likely be for lower-ranked schools.  But since I don't live that close to Toledo, I won't tell them that the offer is from Toledo (I probably wouldn't actually go to Toledo).
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: radiotank on February 26, 2008, 09:51:18 PM
So as I go on my wild BC tear across the LSD boards, I figured I'd pose a couple of questions re: scholarship money.

My numbers are good, but nothing to write home about. I've been offered scholarships at both Tulane and Northeastern (Tulane a lot, Northeastern not so much). BC is clearly my first choice at this point, and I'm really excited about going there, but I haven't heard from them about money yet.

My first question is, how long did those of you who got scholarships wait after your acceptance to hear about them? I'm also curious about numbers, but I wouldn't ask you to post them unless you feel comfortable. How generous is BC with financial aid?

Second part of the question is, I'm wondering if it's rude to ask for money if I'm not sure if I'm going to get it. I feel like I don't have that much leverage given that my scholarships are from lower-ranked schools, so barring any money from one of the other schools I'm waiting on, I don't know what my bargaining power is, if any. I'd love to let BC know that they are my first choice, and I could absolutely commit to them they threw me a financial bone (anything would help). Is this appropriate to do? I don't want to seem sleazy or ungrateful. When should I do it? Has anyone else done this?

Ayy...I'm dancing around in my chair to American Idol and avoiding a paper. Indulge me.

I would suggest not leveraging another school against BC. It is bad form I think, especially given that BC is way better than Tulane and Northeastern, I don't think they would appreciate the idea of having to compete against those schools for you. BC doesn't give out much money anyways, but I think you lower your chances to absolute zero if you try to challenge them with much-lower-ranked schools. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: k3 on February 26, 2008, 09:54:29 PM
So as I go on my wild BC tear across the LSD boards, I figured I'd pose a couple of questions re: scholarship money.

My numbers are good, but nothing to write home about. I've been offered scholarships at both Tulane and Northeastern (Tulane a lot, Northeastern not so much). BC is clearly my first choice at this point, and I'm really excited about going there, but I haven't heard from them about money yet.

My first question is, how long did those of you who got scholarships wait after your acceptance to hear about them? I'm also curious about numbers, but I wouldn't ask you to post them unless you feel comfortable. How generous is BC with financial aid?

Second part of the question is, I'm wondering if it's rude to ask for money if I'm not sure if I'm going to get it. I feel like I don't have that much leverage given that my scholarships are from lower-ranked schools, so barring any money from one of the other schools I'm waiting on, I don't know what my bargaining power is, if any. I'd love to let BC know that they are my first choice, and I could absolutely commit to them they threw me a financial bone (anything would help). Is this appropriate to do? I don't want to seem sleazy or ungrateful. When should I do it? Has anyone else done this?

Ayy...I'm dancing around in my chair to American Idol and avoiding a paper. Indulge me.

I would suggest not leveraging another school against BC. It is bad form I think, especially given that BC is way better than Tulane and Northeastern, I don't think they would appreciate the idea of having to compete against those schools for you. BC doesn't give out much money anyways, but I think you lower your chances to absolute zero if you try to challenge them with much-lower-ranked schools. Just my two cents.

no that's totally cool, that's the kind of feedback i need...do you think it's even worthwhile to ask? my other issue is that i'm really interested in public interest after law school, so tons and tons of debt is a tough thing for me to face.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: UnoriginalAndrew on February 26, 2008, 09:57:51 PM
....I have a similar situation.  I've heard nothing in regards to scholarships/need-based aid from BC...but UC-Davis offered me (tentatively) 20k in grants for the first year (my family doesn't have a whole lot).

Are need-based offers leverage-able?
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: RockShox007 on February 26, 2008, 09:59:03 PM
tag

Also: Is it too late to get $$ from BC?  I was accepted in mid-January and haven't heard anything but am in the same boat as the OP and Andrew. 
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: chammon2 on February 26, 2008, 10:03:07 PM
If schools charge nearly $40k a year for tuition they are smart enough to realize that money matters.  Don't come out and say your other offers.  Just tell them why they are the best school for you and you won't be able to be over $100k in debt.  Don't be timid.  If they accepted you, they want you.  Your acceptance alone wasn't a favor that you don't deserve.  Just be honest.  Let them know they are the school for you and that even if it is in the form of grants, you're going to need help.  If they don't come through for you, work the financial aid office.

What I did, did not work.  And my schools weren't as big of a difference as yours are.  So don't talk about your other offers.  I think that would be borderline offensive.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: chammon2 on February 26, 2008, 10:14:48 PM
BC is notoriously stingy with merit aid. I hate to be negative, but it's just not realistic to expect much from them. They sent out a handful of full-scholarships earlier in the cycle, but they were to 168+/3.7+'s. Unless you're at their 75th percentiles or better, $$ is probably out of the question.

I would DEFINITELY not try to use Toledo as leverage against BC. I'm sorry, but it's just not going to work. Unless you're using a T20 or ND, it's not going to happen.

If you're doing public interest, I would assume you have a better shot at $$ though.

She isn't using Toledo.  I was giving an example of me using Toledo for leverage with schools within 15 spots of Toledo's ranking.  I think the schools are Northeastern and Tulane.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: botbot on February 26, 2008, 10:31:27 PM
So as I go on my wild BC tear across the LSD boards, I figured I'd pose a couple of questions re: scholarship money.

My numbers are good, but nothing to write home about. I've been offered scholarships at both Tulane and Northeastern (Tulane a lot, Northeastern not so much). BC is clearly my first choice at this point, and I'm really excited about going there, but I haven't heard from them about money yet.

My first question is, how long did those of you who got scholarships wait after your acceptance to hear about them? I'm also curious about numbers, but I wouldn't ask you to post them unless you feel comfortable. How generous is BC with financial aid?

Second part of the question is, I'm wondering if it's rude to ask for money if I'm not sure if I'm going to get it. I feel like I don't have that much leverage given that my scholarships are from lower-ranked schools, so barring any money from one of the other schools I'm waiting on, I don't know what my bargaining power is, if any. I'd love to let BC know that they are my first choice, and I could absolutely commit to them they threw me a financial bone (anything would help). Is this appropriate to do? I don't want to seem sleazy or ungrateful. When should I do it? Has anyone else done this?

Ayy...I'm dancing around in my chair to American Idol and avoiding a paper. Indulge me.

I would suggest not leveraging another school against BC. It is bad form I think, especially given that BC is way better than Tulane and Northeastern, I don't think they would appreciate the idea of having to compete against those schools for you. BC doesn't give out much money anyways, but I think you lower your chances to absolute zero if you try to challenge them with much-lower-ranked schools. Just my two cents.

lol

I'm not going to derail the thread and point out how stupid that comment was, so I will be helpful.  There have been schools in the past (especially within 20-25 USNews ranking spots) that have offered smaller scholarships to those who made a good case for money by using larger scholarships from lesser ranked schools.  (see the long scholarship matching thread).

BC gives little merit aid, but the worst they can do is tell you no. 
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: k3 on February 27, 2008, 08:03:57 AM
Is the scholarship thread you're referring to the more recent one listed under the Reviews, Rankings, and Visits forum? I think I know which one you're talking about, but I wanted  to make sure. If not, I can just run the search.

So, what if I get into a similarly ranked school with money? Then can I leverage? Quite frankly, I don't care if I get merit money or grants or whatever, all I want is some money (I'd take a small sum for sure) that I don't have to pay back to make this more feasible. If I do decide do ask, when is an appropriate time? I don't want to jump the gun, but I also don't want to wait until money runs out and eff myself over. Also, is it appropriate to do this by email or is it better by letter? Should I mention my future public interest plans and the fact that I'm paying for law school by myself to make it more convincing?

Sigh. So many questions!
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: k3 on February 27, 2008, 08:23:12 AM
Is the scholarship thread you're referring to the more recent one listed under the Reviews, Rankings, and Visits forum? I think I know which one you're talking about, but I wanted  to make sure. If not, I can just run the search.

So, what if I get into a similarly ranked school with money? Then can I leverage? Quite frankly, I don't care if I get merit money or grants or whatever, all I want is some money (I'd take a small sum for sure) that I don't have to pay back to make this more feasible. If I do decide do ask, when is an appropriate time? I don't want to jump the gun, but I also don't want to wait until money runs out and eff myself over. Also, is it appropriate to do this by email or is it better by letter? Should I mention my future public interest plans and the fact that I'm paying for law school by myself to make it more convincing?

Sigh. So many questions!

We're not talking about need money, so there really aren't any other options.



I'm confused, and a total dorky noob...do law schools never ever give out financial aid grants? Is it all loans? Sorry, I'm just not sure what this statement means...could be because I'm knee-deep in a paper that's due in two hours...are you simply saying that I shouldn't or can't request consideration for need-based aid? Or that it's not yet appropriate? Gosh I am dumb.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: chammon2 on February 27, 2008, 09:12:39 AM
If you're looking for need based grants, I think you have to wait for BC to process your fafsa before asking for more. Have they given you your aid package yet?

Ya, Larry is right.  Gotta wait for FAFSA processing and your aid package to find out about grants.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: k3 on February 27, 2008, 11:10:21 AM
so i should wait to hear about need-based grants, and in the event that i want to be considered for scholarship money, i should proceed then?
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: chammon2 on February 27, 2008, 01:47:08 PM
Obviously you did the FAFSA, but did you have to do any other financial aid forms for BC?  Did you have to do Need Access?

I think you can ask the admissions people about a scholarship now.  I'm not sure if you talk to financial aid before or after your award is made available about a grant????  Perhaps you could make another thread about that?
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: Sergio on February 27, 2008, 02:38:44 PM
Well how many percent of people really get need-based grants, as opposed to loans?  I bet it's pretty small.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: k3 on February 27, 2008, 05:24:43 PM
Yikes. I'm still really unsure about what to do. You guys have been really helpful, but any further guidance is definitely appreciated.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: k3 on February 27, 2008, 05:44:59 PM
Have you filled out fafsa and need access (if BC wants that)?

Indeed, I have completed both of them.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: botbot on February 27, 2008, 05:54:02 PM
BC is notoriously stingy with merit aid. I hate to be negative, but it's just not realistic to expect much from them. They sent out a handful of full-scholarships earlier in the cycle, but they were to 168+/3.7+'s. Unless you're at their 75th percentiles or better, $$ is probably out of the question.

I would DEFINITELY not try to use Toledo as leverage against BC. I'm sorry, but it's just not going to work. Unless you're using a T20 or ND, it's not going to happen.

If you're doing public interest, I would assume you have a better shot at $$ though.

She isn't using Toledo.  I was giving an example of me using Toledo for leverage with schools within 15 spots of Toledo's ranking.  I think the schools are Northeastern and Tulane.

My bad, I glossed over the thread and misread your post.


So as I go on my wild BC tear across the LSD boards, I figured I'd pose a couple of questions re: scholarship money.

My numbers are good, but nothing to write home about. I've been offered scholarships at both Tulane and Northeastern (Tulane a lot, Northeastern not so much). BC is clearly my first choice at this point, and I'm really excited about going there, but I haven't heard from them about money yet.

My first question is, how long did those of you who got scholarships wait after your acceptance to hear about them? I'm also curious about numbers, but I wouldn't ask you to post them unless you feel comfortable. How generous is BC with financial aid?

Second part of the question is, I'm wondering if it's rude to ask for money if I'm not sure if I'm going to get it. I feel like I don't have that much leverage given that my scholarships are from lower-ranked schools, so barring any money from one of the other schools I'm waiting on, I don't know what my bargaining power is, if any. I'd love to let BC know that they are my first choice, and I could absolutely commit to them they threw me a financial bone (anything would help). Is this appropriate to do? I don't want to seem sleazy or ungrateful. When should I do it? Has anyone else done this?

Ayy...I'm dancing around in my chair to American Idol and avoiding a paper. Indulge me.

I would suggest not leveraging another school against BC. It is bad form I think, especially given that BC is way better than Tulane and Northeastern, I don't think they would appreciate the idea of having to compete against those schools for you. BC doesn't give out much money anyways, but I think you lower your chances to absolute zero if you try to challenge them with much-lower-ranked schools. Just my two cents.

lol

I'm not going to derail the thread and point out how stupid that comment was, so I will be helpful.
  There have been schools in the past (especially within 20-25 USNews ranking spots) that have offered smaller scholarships to those who made a good case for money by using larger scholarships from lesser ranked schools.  (see the long scholarship matching thread).

BC gives little merit aid, but the worst they can do is tell you no. 

Please stop with the Tulane trolling. I understand that you go there and that you're probably doing it to annoy people, but you're giving bad information. There is absolutely nothing that proves BC and Tulane are even comparable law schools.

Give it a rest.

I won't go into the flaws in the information you just posted.  I never said that BC didn't place better, isn't ranked higher, or that their students don't have higher numbers. (if you have seen any of my posts, you should know just how much I understand "the facts")  The "way better" part, though, was absurdly misleading.  BIGLAW goes 5-10% deeper into BCs class (some NE V100 firms might go 15% deeper while SE firms go no deeper). 

To the OP, last year BC awarded a very small amount of money to an applicant based on a scholarship at SMU.  You should ask for some more money, they will probably say no - but it doesn't hurt to ask.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: botbot on February 27, 2008, 05:54:37 PM
And they won't take away need based grants if she asks for scholarship money...
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: bamf on February 27, 2008, 06:02:35 PM
Wait until you get your aid offer.  I dont think they have come out yet.  Last year I didn't get mine until some time in March.  After that I think you should feel free to politely inform BC of your other offers and your desire to attend, but need for some form of assistance.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: swimmerdude on February 27, 2008, 06:04:45 PM
if you're serious about public interest law, BC has public service scholarships.  deadline's passed, but you can see if ou can still apply. 
http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/admission/finaid/scholloans.html#publicservicescholarship
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: yesTHEEMORY on February 27, 2008, 06:06:06 PM
BC is a much better school. If you think otherwise, you're delusional.

I consider Emory and BC peer schools for the most part.  I would never say that Emory was far superior to Tulane.  Tulane is a great school that places very well.  You are delusional to think that BC commands much more respect in the legal world than Tulane.

I hope you do not attend Boston College and you are not representative of their student body.  Boston College and Emory may be better schools than Tulane, but not by much.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: bamf on February 27, 2008, 06:10:45 PM
BC is a much better school. If you think otherwise, you're delusional.

I consider Emory and BC peer schools for the most part.  I would never say that Emory was far superior to Tulane.  Tulane is a great school that places very well.  You are delusional to think that BC commands much more respect in the legal world than Tulane.


I think you are both unable to speak to the perception of any of these schools in "the legal world" (which world is that exactly?) so lets just quiet down.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: k3 on February 27, 2008, 06:15:59 PM
if you're serious about public interest law, BC has public service scholarships.  deadline's passed, but you can see if ou can still apply. 
http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/admission/finaid/scholloans.html#publicservicescholarship

i actually called the fin aid office and was like...PLEASE LET ME APPLY. sadly, they said no, but it was my own stupidity that led me to miss the deadline.

bamf - thanks for the advice. i think i will do as such. would it be worth it to mention my future public interest plans as part of my concerns, or will they think i'm full of old shoes?
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: bamf on February 27, 2008, 06:22:17 PM
if you're serious about public interest law, BC has public service scholarships.  deadline's passed, but you can see if ou can still apply. 
http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/admission/finaid/scholloans.html#publicservicescholarship

i actually called the fin aid office and was like...PLEASE LET ME APPLY. sadly, they said no, but it was my own stupidity that led me to miss the deadline.

bamf - thanks for the advice. i think i will do as such. would it be worth it to mention my future public interest plans as part of my concerns, or will they think i'm full of old shoes?

I think it would just fine to mention that

--

BC is a much better school. If you think otherwise, you're delusional.

I consider Emory and BC peer schools for the most part.  I would never say that Emory was far superior to Tulane.  Tulane is a great school that places very well.  You are delusional to think that BC commands much more respect in the legal world than Tulane.

I hope you do not attend Boston College and you are not representative of their student body.  Boston College and Emory may be better schools than Tulane, but not by much.

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/11/whats_going_on_at_emory_law_sc.php

Yikes.

I don't go to BC nor will I in the fall, I have just yet to see anything to places BC and Tulane in the same category.

pleasedontstartafightpleasedo ntstartafight ... completely unnecessary



(and as I think it was pointed out somewhere on there, the departure of the person in that position was probably at a good time ... late September, if I remember correctly ... after firm OCI, before 1Ls can talk to CSOgov/ PI OCI is largely already set up ... probably the best time, save between semesters, that someone could leave that position)
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: yesTHEEMORY on February 27, 2008, 06:40:36 PM
BC is a much better school. If you think otherwise, you're delusional.

I consider Emory and BC peer schools for the most part.  I would never say that Emory was far superior to Tulane.  Tulane is a great school that places very well.  You are delusional to think that BC commands much more respect in the legal world than Tulane.

I hope you do not attend Boston College and you are not representative of their student body.  Boston College and Emory may be better schools than Tulane, but not by much.

http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/11/whats_going_on_at_emory_law_sc.php

Yikes.

I don't go to BC nor will I in the fall, I have just yet to see anything to places BC and Tulane in the same category.

No one is putting them in the same category, but even given the links you posted, BC isn't "far better" than Tulane.  Perpetuating these ridiculous 0L ideas is a disservice to the prelaw students on this message board.  If the OP wanted to live in the South, it would probably be a mistake to attend BC over a huge scholarship at Tulane.

Oh and our career services office is great, thanks for asking.

bamf: say what you want about my knowledge of the legal market.  Do you disagree what I am saying?
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: Penn263 on February 28, 2008, 07:24:33 AM
if you're serious about public interest law, BC has public service scholarships.  deadline's passed, but you can see if ou can still apply. 
http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/admission/finaid/scholloans.html#publicservicescholarship

i actually called the fin aid office and was like...PLEASE LET ME APPLY. sadly, they said no, but it was my own stupidity that led me to miss the deadline.

bamf - thanks for the advice. i think i will do as such. would it be worth it to mention my future public interest plans as part of my concerns, or will they think i'm full of old shoes?

I first received the e-mail from BC law about this scholarship literally hours before the application was due. Needless to say I didn't even have time to apply.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: k3 on March 02, 2008, 08:38:24 PM
for all my future bc people, i just shot off a polite email asking them to keep me in mind for financial assistance in the form of scholarship or financial aid grants, but emphasizing how thrilled i was to be offered admission and that i understand that the money process could take several weeks or months. i'll let you know how it goes!
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: bamf on March 04, 2008, 04:16:09 PM

bamf: say what you want about my knowledge of the legal market.  Do you disagree what I am saying?

yes.  yes i do.
Title: Re: BC...money..it's what I want.... doo doo doo
Post by: k3 on March 05, 2008, 02:07:13 PM
just to update here:

i shot off an email to fin aid and admissions, and got a very prompt and polite response (one day turnover!) which noted that my fin aid file was complete and would be reviewed in the near future and i would be made aware of my awards. it was clear that they had pulled my file and everything, which was nice, so, as expected, i'll know more when fin aid stuff comes out later in the month. the main point of my email was just to ask them to keep me in mind, and my replier cc'd a number of other individuals as well, so i hope that's what happens...


just thought i'd let everyone know how it went!