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LSAT Preparation => Studying for the LSAT => Topic started by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 03:42:54 PM

Title: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 03:42:54 PM
I'm trying to decide if I should cancel.  If anyone can remember lr problems they had difficulty with, please post them.  We can all figure out how we did to some degree!
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ericthered on October 02, 2004, 03:47:35 PM
seriosuly id like to try and remember some of these I cant seem to remember any of them. Was there something about campaign reform?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: qtip2012 on October 02, 2004, 03:48:34 PM
yes, there was, you had to insert the conclusion...

i put that there should be spending ceilings
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 03:49:30 PM
Yes, there was one about the amount of money politicans spend on campaigns.  About how in a democratic election on candidate should not have an unfair advantage.

I put the answer that there should be an upper cap on the amount of money spent on a campaign.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: sammyr2 on October 02, 2004, 03:49:58 PM
I'm trying to remember the parallel reason ?'s....Something like if one doesn't do something then the other must do something, match the flaw in reasoning....can't remember the subject matter.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: cascagrossa on October 02, 2004, 03:50:34 PM
yea, im pretty sure that was the correct answer.

*&^%, im so confused about this test. i really want to cancel, but im just not sure.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: qtip2012 on October 02, 2004, 03:51:03 PM
good katie... looks like we were on the same page once again
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 03:53:09 PM
The one about campaign reform and government spending was tough.  I also put that there should be spending ceilings for the wealthy.  I was tempted by the one about the government funding a low percentage of all campaigns, though.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: cascagrossa on October 02, 2004, 03:54:04 PM
The one about campaign reform and government spending was tough.  I also put that there should be spending ceilings for the wealthy.  I was tempted by the one about the government funding a low percentage off all campaigns, though.

i dont think it was the government subsidy one because the author specifically said that governments should NOT provide subsidies.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 03:54:35 PM
I'm trying to remember the parallel reason ?'s....Something like if one doesn't do something then the other must do something, match the flaw in reasoning....can't remember the subject matter.

Yeah, this was the one where all the answer choices had to do with tire pressure.  I chose B.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: cascagrossa on October 02, 2004, 03:55:37 PM
I'm trying to remember the parallel reason ?'s....Something like if one doesn't do something then the other must do something, match the flaw in reasoning....can't remember the subject matter.

Yeah, this was the one where all the answer choices had to do with tire pressure.  I chose B.

tire pressure?  i think that was from an experimental section.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 03:56:42 PM
I don't remember anything about tire pressure.  But, I do remember the parallel reasoning one about lawyers choosing expert witnesses that weren't as qualified if they were better "Actors".  I wasn't very sure about this one.  Anyone know?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: cascagrossa on October 02, 2004, 03:58:48 PM
im pretty sure i picked A for that one.  about how the smartest politicians dont always win, or something like that.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: victorv on October 02, 2004, 04:00:25 PM
For the question dealing with Economists and their succesful pension plans, I put down that the flaw was that their employers could have chosen the plan for them. My friend thinks that the correct answer was that there is a flaw concerning appeal to an authority without justification. Please help....


Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ericthered on October 02, 2004, 04:00:46 PM
katie yes i remember thsi question which answer did u put what was the parallel analogy --- the question was about experts not being the most knowedgable but still being the most persuasive...and one of the strong choices ws about politicians and being good campaigners versus good officials
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:01:47 PM
Yes, I ended up putting that one.  I debated between that and lawyers taking acting classes.  But, I knew that just didn't seem right.  So, I ended up putting the politican one.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 04:02:45 PM
Yup, I think you were right Katie --
I opted for the "spending ceilings" choice for campaign finance reform
I also chose the "economists might not have chosen their own plans" for the one about the pension plans
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: cascagrossa on October 02, 2004, 04:02:58 PM
For the question dealing with Economists and their succesful pension plans, I put down that the flaw was that their employers could have chosen the plan for them. My friend thinks that the correct answer was that there is a flaw concerning appeal to an authority without justification. Please help....




i picked the one about appealing to authorities incorrectly or something like that, it was C i think.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 04:04:54 PM
I have another LR question:

Anyone remember the one about opposition parties that rise to power but then splinter into disagreements once they are victorious?
We had to complete the sentence logically -- was it (B) that they must find a way to patch up their differences if they are to retain power, or (C) that they may not promulgate a new ideology to justify their policies once they are victorious???
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:05:42 PM
I wasn't sure on that one either.  I put that the economists did not pick their own plans.  However, I wasn't happy with any of the answers.  What does everyone else think of this one?  (It is the one with the economists that one the best economist ward all being covered by xxx insurance now- so xxx must be the best insurance)
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 02, 2004, 04:06:06 PM
For the question dealing with Economists and their succesful pension plans, I put down that the flaw was that their employers could have chosen the plan for them. My friend thinks that the correct answer was that there is a flaw concerning appeal to an authority without justification. Please help....



i picked the one about appealing to authorities incorrectly or something like that, it was C i think.

I remember that question.  I think I picked E, something about choosing a plan to fit their needs and that's all I remember.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ericthered on October 02, 2004, 04:06:22 PM
jag i cant remember which letter chocie that was for 26 youre talking baout -- the european union -- i rmember I selected C -- is that what the response youre referring to was?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:07:11 PM
jag2004- i put that they must resolve their differences to remain in power
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 02, 2004, 04:07:55 PM
jag2004- i put that they must resolve their differences to remain in power

I put that too
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: Rizz98 on October 02, 2004, 04:09:34 PM
For the economists one, I'm pretty sure it's appealing to authority without justification. There's one like that on almost every test, and it fits well there.

Like my brother, the finance major, who has a $1500 credit card bill and $80 in his bank account.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:10:35 PM
So, is the consensus for the economist one appeal to authority?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: cascagrossa on October 02, 2004, 04:11:46 PM
I have another LR question:

Anyone remember the one about opposition parties that rise to power but then splinter into disagreements once they are victorious?
We had to complete the sentence logically -- was it (B) that they must find a way to patch up their differences if they are to retain power, or (C) that they may not promulgate a new ideology to justify their policies once they are victorious???


i picked C for this one.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 04:12:29 PM
Also there was a question where you had to pick an analogous relationship (actually, now that I think of it, it might have been on Reading Comp)... One of the choices was that older (hand-sewn) garments were more tailored than new (machine-made) garments.  Another was that computer-typed letters generated more responses than typewriter letters, I think.
Does anyone remember this??  I think I put (A), something about the new things being less expertly made.
Help!
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: Rizz98 on October 02, 2004, 04:14:01 PM
Jag I put A for that one too, but that was a "pick this & I'll go back" that I never got to. It's the first thing that popped up, but not one of my better questions.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 04:15:57 PM
For the economists one, I'm pretty sure it's appealing to authority without justification. There's one like that on almost every test, and it fits well there.

Like my brother, the finance major, who has a $1500 credit card bill and $80 in his bank account.


I am pretty sure that the economists questions was that their employees may have chosen their health plan for them. When I was reading the setup, before I even got to the question, I remember thinking, just because these economists have this health plan doesn't mean they chose it or approve it. Maybe this company gives a free health plan to every economist who wins a prize and then they go tell everyone that economists use their health plan.

The authority answer was not the answer because economists are a good authority on the matter being discussed.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 02, 2004, 04:17:01 PM
For the economists one, I'm pretty sure it's appealing to authority without justification. There's one like that on almost every test, and it fits well there.

Like my brother, the finance major, who has a $1500 credit card bill and $80 in his bank account.


What answer choice was that?



I am pretty sure that the economists questions was that their employees may have chosen their health plan for them. When I was reading the setup, before I even got to the question, I remember thinking, just because these economists have this health plan doesn't mean they chose it or approve it. Maybe this company gives a free health plan to every economist who wins a prize and then they go tell everyone that economists use their health plan.

The authority answer was not the answer because economists are a good authority on the matter being discussed.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:18:20 PM
superior- it would make me really happy if you are right.  i just pmed casa (she seemed to be the person online right now with the highest practice scores) to ask what she thought.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ghostpirate on October 02, 2004, 04:19:17 PM
Words.  I specifically was going down and being like, "Well, unless it's something better it's the appeal to authority one" but then there was.  Yay! Yay for being drunk on cheap champagne after the end of the screwiest LSAT!
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: sammyr2 on October 02, 2004, 04:21:02 PM
I have another LR question:

Anyone remember the one about opposition parties that rise to power but then splinter into disagreements once they are victorious?
We had to complete the sentence logically -- was it (B) that they must find a way to patch up their differences if they are to retain power, or (C) that they may not promulgate a new ideology to justify their policies once they are victorious???


Was that the one where one of the answers said there would likely be opposition to the new party in power?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ericthered on October 02, 2004, 04:22:13 PM
ok you all are confusing two questions --- the one about the economists and the ACME insurance the answer is nto appealing to authority it is that they didn't necesaarily choose the insurance. the stimulus say they got the plan as part of the prize yet the AD also states that therefore the economists must "RECOGNIZE" its the best plan for them....the obvious flaw is if theyre getting it as part of a prize they therefore dont recognize *&^% except that getting things for free is nice...

as for the european union...was the answer c? number 26?

and what about frank loyd write!? did he innovate or popularize modernism!?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ghostpirate on October 02, 2004, 04:22:41 PM
The answer was "have to resolve differences to remain in power" yeah.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 04:24:29 PM
I have another LR question:

Anyone remember the one about opposition parties that rise to power but then splinter into disagreements once they are victorious?
We had to complete the sentence logically -- was it (B) that they must find a way to patch up their differences if they are to retain power, or (C) that they may not promulgate a new ideology to justify their policies once they are victorious???


Yea--it was B for that one...
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 04:25:06 PM
ghostpirate said:
<<The answer was "have to resolve differences to remain in power" yeah.  >>

I was sorely tempted by that choice, but I don't think the passage actually suggested that they would have to unite to retain power.  Isn't it conceivable that a fragmented party could still maintain power if they're really that much better than the previous regime?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 04:27:09 PM
The answer was "have to resolve differences to remain in power" yeah.


I disagree.  I chose the one about they will have difficulty justifying their policies.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: Rizz98 on October 02, 2004, 04:27:23 PM
My beef with the employers pick the health plan choice was that they didn't all necessarily have the same employer. All of these economists were successful and had won the same distinctive award. I can't remember now how explicit the argument was in saying that "since these people are successful and it works for them, you should pick it," but I think there was something along those lines.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 04:27:53 PM
katie yes i remember thsi question which answer did u put what was the parallel analogy --- the question was about experts not being the most knowedgable but still being the most persuasive...and one of the strong choices ws about politicians and being good campaigners versus good officials

I chose the one about politicians being good campaigners...is there a consenus on this one too?  

What was the economist/pension plan question? Anyone remember what is what specifically? I don't even remember that one!?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 04:28:23 PM
I have another LR question:

Anyone remember the one about opposition parties that rise to power but then splinter into disagreements once they are victorious?
We had to complete the sentence logically -- was it (B) that they must find a way to patch up their differences if they are to retain power, or (C) that they may not promulgate a new ideology to justify their policies once they are victorious???


Yea--it was B for that one...

I chose the one about promulgating policies.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 02, 2004, 04:28:52 PM
My beef with the employers pick the health plan choice was that they didn't all necessarily have the same employer. All of these economists were successful and had won the same distinctive award. I can't remember now how explicit the argument was in saying that "since these people are successful and it works for them, you should pick it," but I think there was something along those lines.

What answer choice was that?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:30:10 PM
superior-  i chose the that they would have to resolve their differences to remain in power.  i think the key words would be remain in power.  they could get in power by defeating the unpopular one, but to remain in power (since their policies were opposite of the people they defeated and the other groups that also wanted to defeat the original group) they would have to resolve their differences with the other groups.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: Rizz98 on October 02, 2004, 04:30:23 PM
Don't remember the letter, but it was the appeal to authority one.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ghostpirate on October 02, 2004, 04:30:36 PM
Justifying their policies shouldn't be a problem for them any more than anyone else.  Nowhere is it suggested that the rationale for any one of the opposition positions is questionable.  The only problem they have is that there are factions with their own reasons for being there.  Sure perhaps they will compromise and some of their policies will seem incongruous, but I couldn't find support for that particular answer in the text.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 04:33:23 PM
My beef with the employers pick the health plan choice was that they didn't all necessarily have the same employer. All of these economists were successful and had won the same distinctive award. I can't remember now how explicit the argument was in saying that "since these people are successful and it works for them, you should pick it," but I think there was something along those lines.

What answer choice was that?

The employer choice can still be the right answer even if they all have different employers.  Maybe 1000 different companies all force their employees to have this health plan.  And maybe the 25 economists work for some of these 1000 companies.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: TrojanChispas on October 02, 2004, 04:34:39 PM
yay for celebration
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Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: arc87 on October 02, 2004, 04:35:01 PM
superior-  i chose the that they would have to resolve their differences to remain in power.  i think the key words would be remain in power.  they could get in power by defeating the unpopular one, but to remain in power (since their policies were opposite of the people they defeated and the other groups that also wanted to defeat the original group) they would have to resolve their differences with the other groups.

KAtie,
I think I put that also.  I studied that topic last semester and that is in fact the reality of the situation
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 04:35:12 PM
They have to resolve their differences or else whichever one of the insurgents are in power after the coup will be subject, themselves, to another coup.

Can anyone clarify the economist/pension plan one? Can't seem to even remember the question.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:36:00 PM
katie yes i remember thsi question which answer did u put what was the parallel analogy --- the question was about experts not being the most knowedgable but still being the most persuasive...and one of the strong choices ws about politicians and being good campaigners versus good officials

I chose the one about politicians being good campaigners...is there a consenus on this one too?  

What was the economist/pension plan question? Anyone remember what is what specifically? I don't even remember that one!?


no one has given a different opinion for the politicans being good campaigners one, so i would say there is a consensus.  the economist question i think you are refering to is being discussed if you read back through this thread.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 04:36:44 PM
They have to resolve their differences or else whichever one of the insurgents are in power after the coup will be subject, themselves, to another coup.

Can anyone clarify the economist/pension plan one? Can't seem to even remember the question.

First of all, there is no coup.  Second, why do they have to resolve their differences to remain in power? Why can't they just be in power and disagree about everything?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:37:36 PM
Because once they are in power, if people disagree with them there could be another coup.  TO avoid getting thrown out of power they would have to resolve the differences.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ghostpirate on October 02, 2004, 04:40:03 PM
Coup is the wrong word perhaps - in the next election they will lose power to a coalition of the former majority plus whatever dissatisfied members of the insurgent coalition are around.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 04:40:20 PM
Because once they are in power, if people disagree with them there could be another coup.  TO avoid getting thrown out of power they would have to resolve the differences.

But the point wasn't that "people" will disagree with them, it was that *they* disagree amongst themselves.  
I know that historically speaking, it might be true that parties with a lot of internal factionalism tend to lose power, but there was no support for that in the passage itself.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ghostpirate on October 02, 2004, 04:42:11 PM
There was support in the passage itself - the whole deal was about how they set aside their internal differences against a common foe.  Retaining power in the context of a democracy likely refers to the coming elections in several years rather than a violent power-grab.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 04:43:59 PM
Justifying their policies shouldn't be a problem for them any more than anyone else.

Sure it will. They disagree about everything.  How is the party supposed to put forward a coherent justification for their policies if the only thing they agree on is that they wanted to boot the incumbents from power?

Also, the stimulus never suggests that not agreeing about policy means that you can't hold on to power.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 04:46:19 PM
Justifying their policies shouldn't be a problem for them any more than anyone else.

Sure it will. They disagree about everything.  How is the party supposed to put forward a coherent justification for their policies if the only thing they agree on is that they wanted to boot the incumbents from power?

Also, the stimulus never suggests that not agreeing about policy means that you can't hold on to power.

Yeah, superiorlobe, it sounds like your reasoning on that question was identical to mine...
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ghostpirate on October 02, 2004, 04:47:06 PM
The party doesn't have to agree about a policy or its justification once it gains power necessarily.  The dominant faction in the party can implement the policy and justify it according to their own potentially valid reason.  I can't imagine a fractious party being able to successfully implement policy yet be unable to justify said policy in some way; that would mean that somehow no winning sub-faction exists, just everybody loses in the new policy debate.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 04:47:32 PM
no one has given a different opinion for the politicans being good campaigners one, so i would say there is a consensus.  the economist question i think you are refering to is being discussed if you read back through this thread.

I see questions about the question...but I havent been able to ID what the LSAT was even asking about economists/pension.   I remember pre-paid legal plans for union workers on the RC...But no pension plans from LR.  WTF!?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ghostpirate on October 02, 2004, 04:48:39 PM
The stimulus DOES suggest, however, that in a situation where there is a party in power, those who disagree with the policies of that party will make common cause to overthrow it.  That means that the party newly in power, since no majority supports any of its views, will have this difficulty.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: foxnewssucks on October 02, 2004, 04:48:54 PM
on the economist question... I put the appeal to authority response.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 04:50:30 PM
Because once they are in power, if people disagree with them there could be another coup.  TO avoid getting thrown out of power they would have to resolve the differences.

Nothing in the stimulus suggests anything like this.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:51:37 PM
*&^%, if Franz put appeal to authority that isn't good.  Frazn- what did you put for the overthrow gov. one?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 04:53:17 PM
On the economists question I picked the employers one, not the appeal to authority one.  I feel very confident in my selection.  On the political parties I chose the promulgate policies one, and again I feel very confidant.  It appears that the consensus is against me on both these questions, but I'm pretty sure you guys went for the decoy choices.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:55:50 PM
Superior- I really don't think we've reached a consensus.  Perhaps I will set up a vote for these tomorrow ( I really need to figure out how I did by Monday to decide about cancelling more score).  I went with both the choices that you went with, so I hope you are right:)
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ghostpirate on October 02, 2004, 04:56:50 PM
Superior - you're right about the employers one, but I'm convinced that my answer for the other one is more subtle and yours is the decoy.  Guess we'll see in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 04:57:04 PM
The stimulus DOES suggest, however, that in a situation where there is a party in power, those who disagree with the policies of that party will make common cause to overthrow it.  That means that the party newly in power, since no majority supports any of its views, will have this difficulty.

Yes, but this goes for any party, whether they party disagrees with itself or not.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 04:57:44 PM
Can anyone remember any other questions??  (Even if you got the right.)  I have a terrible memory, but am trying to figure out how I did:)
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: foxnewssucks on October 02, 2004, 04:57:59 PM
*&^%, if Franz put appeal to authority that isn't good.  Frazn- what did you put for the overthrow gov. one?

I think I typed this somewhere, but I put that they needed to come to a consensus answer. You guys are scaring me. lol
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 05:00:26 PM
Does anyone remember the other parallel reasoning ones?  (not the one with the politicans)  I remember there being one with the stimuls bascially saying if it isn't this, then it is the other, but that's all i can remember.  i wasn't incredibly confident on the answer i choose for that one.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 05:01:30 PM
Does anyone remember the other parallel reasoning ones?  (not the one with the politicans)  I remember there being one with the stimuls bascially saying if it isn't this, then it is the other, but that's all i can remember.  i wasn't incredibly confident on the answer i choose for that one.

I picked B on that one.


Stimulus was about squirrels and bird feeders.  Choices were all about tire pressure.
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Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 05:02:28 PM
Does anyone remember the other parallel reasoning ones?  (not the one with the politicans)  I remember there being one with the stimuls bascially saying if it isn't this, then it is the other, but that's all i can remember.  i wasn't incredibly confident on the answer i choose for that one.

I think you're referring to the one where the correct answer was (E), that if two people disagree on whether the tree is an elm or an oak, then the opinion of an expert will confirm that one of them is right.  (it's a flaw because both of them might be wrong)

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Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 05:03:31 PM
Does anyone remember the other parallel reasoning ones?  (not the one with the politicans)  I remember there being one with the stimuls bascially saying if it isn't this, then it is the other, but that's all i can remember.  i wasn't incredibly confident on the answer i choose for that one.

I think you're referring to the one where the correct answer was (E), that if two people disagree on whether the tree is an elm or an oak, then the opinion of an expert will confirm that one of them is right.  (it's a flaw because both of them might be wrong)



On that parallel one E was the correct choice.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 05:04:34 PM
well, there is the first lr one I for sure got wrong.  i'm terrible with parallel reasoning.  i think the tire pressure one might have been on your experimental bc i don't remember anything about tire pressure.
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Post by: foxnewssucks on October 02, 2004, 05:05:07 PM
well, there is the first lr one I for sure got wrong.  i'm terrible with parallel reasoning.  i think the tire pressure one might have been on your experimental bc i don't remember anything about tire pressure.

yeah, I never saw a tire pressure question.
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 05:09:21 PM
well, there is the first lr one I for sure got wrong.  i'm terrible with parallel reasoning.  i think the tire pressure one might have been on your experimental bc i don't remember anything about tire pressure.

yeah, I never saw a tire pressure question.

Can't seem to remember the elm/oak one either.  Sure this wasn't experimental?
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Post by: saf2001 on October 02, 2004, 05:09:41 PM
Hey this is about reading comp... does anyone remember what the got for the one about how the law union passage was organized.  I was debating between D and E.  I think D was like "tells the positive and negative, then offers an argument" and the other one was "provides practical values of occurrence then provides more data on this."

Also did anyone get the others tone is "unimpressed" for the proponents of the union?

Also, what did you get for that easier LR section.. I think it was like question 20 or somewhere around that about the kids with the thrill-seeking like (impulsive) behavior that is correlated with a  certain gene."  I wasn't sure if the answer was E-other behaviors are correlated with this gene
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 05:10:30 PM
I had the elm/oak question and I only had 2 lr sections, so it couldn't have been experimental.
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Post by: NYBound05 on October 02, 2004, 05:12:08 PM
Does anyone know how many parallel reasoning questions there were on the lr sections?
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 05:12:26 PM
I had the elm/oak question and I only had 2 lr sections, so it couldn't have been experimental.

On elm oak the answer was E and had to do with a third person (Mara?) confirming either Tom or Jane
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 05:14:18 PM
Hey this is about reading comp... does anyone remember what the got for the one about how the law union passage was organized.  I was debating between D and E.  I think D was like "tells the positive and negative, then offers an argument" and the other one was "provides practical values of occurrence then provides more data on this."

Also did anyone get the others tone is "unimpressed" for the proponents of the union?

Also, what did you get for that easier LR section.. I think it was like question 20 or somewhere around that about the kids with the thrill-seeking like (impulsive) behavior that is correlated with a  certain gene."  I wasn't sure if the answer was E-other behaviors are correlated with this gene

I DID get "tells the positive and negative, then offers an argument" and "unimpressed"

I DID not get other behaviors are correlated with this gene.  For this last one I think I got something to the effect of "there's no way to tell whether the children's version of the disorder will progress into the adult version" or some variation thereof, drawing a distinction b/w the adult/child nature of the gene
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 05:15:34 PM
I had the elm/oak question and I only had 2 lr sections, so it couldn't have been experimental.

@#!*--I might have run out of time before I got to that one and had to guess on it.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 05:18:13 PM
On the thrill seeking behaviors I put that there is no way to tell if I child has some sort of behavior (maybe it was thrill seeking).  My thinking was if you couldn't measure the child on this then the whole argument was ruined.  Anyone else?
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Post by: ryanjm on October 02, 2004, 05:20:01 PM
^Yep. That's the one I chose.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 05:22:58 PM
Good:)  Another one I hopefully got right.  At least I did ok in lr, too bad not on the rest.
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Post by: londongirl on October 02, 2004, 05:24:29 PM
Finally remember a question no-one's mentioned: the one about mother's milk containing something that's important for the development of eyesight, vs. formula that does not. And I can't remember the question, but that it wasn't easy for me. And that it was the first question in one of the LR sections.
Someone please enlighten me!
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Post by: foxnewssucks on October 02, 2004, 05:25:16 PM
Finally remember a question no-one's mentioned: the one about mother's milk containing something that's important for the development of eyesight, vs. formula that does not. And I can't remember the question, but that it wasn't easy for me. And that it was the first question in one of the LR sections.
Someone please enlighten me!

I think I put something about the good fat being developed in the last 4 weeks.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 05:27:41 PM
That's what I put too.  Something about the fat that helped eye sight only developed in the milk in the last 4 weeks (after the 5 week baby would be born).
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Post by: lawdawg19 on October 02, 2004, 05:30:21 PM
the ones I remember before I walked out
Question 1:

Person A created a "portrait," made up of the replications of gene structures of an older person beneath a glass
Person B) That can't be a portrait. It is not the true building blocks of that person
What do Person 1 and 2 disagree on?
1. that it is/ is not a portrait
2.  (another answer choice)

Question 2:

It is best to fill the road with ?? when it is -7 degrees centigrade (advantages and disadvantages to this), to fill it with ?? when it is -32 centigrade (advantages and disadvantages to this), and to fill it with ?? when it is -?? centigrade (adv/ disadv)
Which of the following statements is supported?
My Answer:
When it is -7 degrees, and (disadvantages eliminated), this fill-in preferred.

Question 3:

Parallel Reasoning:  Take a mistake and build into leanring experience, etc. A piano player learns from screwing up a recidal.

Question 4 just remember concept....Because they have not proven it false, it must be true. invalid reasoning
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Post by: lawdawg19 on October 02, 2004, 05:32:11 PM
Just remembered the first question on the Real LR Section.
Remember...the one about "tidal waves" ????
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 05:32:44 PM
the ones I remember before I walked out
Question 1:

Person A created a "portrait," made up of the replications of gene structures of an older person beneath a glass
Person B) That can't be a portrait. It is not the true building blocks of that person
What do Person 1 and 2 disagree on?
1. that it is/ is not a portrait
2.  (another answer choice)

Question 2:

It is best to fill the road with ?? when it is -7 degrees centigrade (advantages and disadvantages to this), to fill it with ?? when it is -32 centigrade (advantages and disadvantages to this), and to fill it with ?? when it is -?? centigrade (adv/ disadv)
Which of the following statements is supported?
My Answer:
When it is -7 degrees, and (disadvantages eliminated), this fill-in preferred.

Question 3:

Parallel Reasoning:  Take a mistake and build into leanring experience, etc. A piano player learns from screwing up a recidal.

Question 4 just remember concept....Because they have not proven it false, it must be true. invalid reasoning

This might have been experimental...I don't remember any of these.
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Post by: foxnewssucks on October 02, 2004, 05:33:05 PM
Just remembered the first question on the Real LR Section.
Remember...the one about "tidal waves" ????


yeah, that was a weird one for the 1st question.  I am not sure what I put.
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Post by: londongirl on October 02, 2004, 05:33:52 PM
I definitely didn't get that one. I still don't. I must be dim, but if the nutrient is in the milk, and we are told milk helps eyesight, how can it be that eyesight is formed in the womb... WOT? I don't even understand my own waffle. My whole post doesn't make sense! Arghhhhh!!!!!!!
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 05:35:06 PM
Just remembered the first question on the Real LR Section.
Remember...the one about "tidal waves" ????


yeah, that was a weird one for the 1st question.  I am not sure what I put.

I chose something like, "the argument specifies what causes the tidal wave (gravitational forces) but not their size"
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 05:36:52 PM
How bout the one with cosmic dust clouds blocking the sun?
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 05:37:41 PM
Ok, here are two more to discuss.

1.)  The corrupt board one.  I don't remember much more than that.  It was about how a board of people was corrupt, one of the answer choices had to do with not being able to prove that each person on the board did corupt things, another to do with the fact that each person did corrupt things in their own business.  Anyone remember this?

2.)  One on the temp of earth cooling, something about cosmic rocks that stirred up *earth* dust, all i remember is i put that the last one wouldn't work.  the others seemed ok.  Anyone remember this?
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Post by: NYBound05 on October 02, 2004, 05:39:17 PM
the ones I remember before I walked out
Question 1:

Person A created a "portrait," made up of the replications of gene structures of an older person beneath a glass
Person B) That can't be a portrait. It is not the true building blocks of that person
What do Person 1 and 2 disagree on?
1. that it is/ is not a portrait
2.  (another answer choice)

Question 2:

It is best to fill the road with ?? when it is -7 degrees centigrade (advantages and disadvantages to this), to fill it with ?? when it is -32 centigrade (advantages and disadvantages to this), and to fill it with ?? when it is -?? centigrade (adv/ disadv)
Which of the following statements is supported?
My Answer:
When it is -7 degrees, and (disadvantages eliminated), this fill-in preferred.

Question 3:

Parallel Reasoning:  Take a mistake and build into leanring experience, etc. A piano player learns from screwing up a recidal.

Question 4 just remember concept....Because they have not proven it false, it must be true. invalid reasoning

This might have been experimental...I don't remember any of these.

Same here.  I was almost sweating bullets, thinking I skipped a shitload full of questions.

I skipped some parallel reasoning questions, and I'm trying to get a better sense of my score, in relation to how many parallel reasoning questions there were.

Does anyone have even the slightest clue as to how many there were?  I know someone must remember, you guys remember everything else about questions on today's test...
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Post by: Rizz98 on October 02, 2004, 05:40:20 PM
Can't remember what I put for cosmic dust, but you're right on corrupt board. It was Wagner's (?) staff that was corrupt, not necessarily the whole board.
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Post by: londongirl on October 02, 2004, 05:40:55 PM
just two. I remember, because they were in the 2cd LR, right towards the end, and I had forgotten they existed til then.
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 05:41:39 PM
Ok, here are two more to discuss.
2.)  One on the temp of earth cooling, something about cosmic rocks that stirred up *earth* dust, all i remember is i put that the last one wouldn't work.  the others seemed ok.  Anyone remember this?

Anyone remember the question stem for the cosmic cloud one?  Katie, were they asking for a flaw?
I remember volcanic ash having to do with one of the answer choices but I don't think I put that one? Jog anyone's memory?
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Post by: londongirl on October 02, 2004, 05:41:54 PM
Same answer as Rizz for the board q.
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Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 05:42:10 PM
Ok, here are two more to discuss.

1.)  The corrupt board one.  I don't remember much more than that.  It was about how a board of people was corrupt, one of the answer choices had to do with not being able to prove that each person on the board did corupt things, another to do with the fact that each person did corrupt things in their own business.  Anyone remember this?

2.)  One on the temp of earth cooling, something about cosmic rocks that stirred up *earth* dust, all i remember is i put that the last one wouldn't work.  the others seemed ok.  Anyone remember this?
Yeah, I remember -- for the corrupt board one, I'm confident that the correct answer was that the argument never showed that the corruption was not limited to Wegzman (or whatever his name was)... because they claimed that "the board is full of corruption and should be replaced" but then only gave examples of corruption from the staff of that one guy.  So why replace the whole board if there's only one bad apple?

And for the earth cooling one, I'm pretty sure the right answer was that rocks often enter Earth's atmosphere and kick up dust.  The reason that doesn't help support the argument is that that response never says the dust causes a temperature decrease.  The original argument was that ice ages are caused by dense dust clouds orbiting the Sun.  So that answer choice doesn't help support the DUST->COOLING TEMPERATURES theory.
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Post by: ghostpirate on October 02, 2004, 05:42:45 PM
The nutrient being supplied in the womb reinforces the argument because the babies born 5-6 weeks prematurely had bad eyesight independently.
Tidal wave question - the height difference doesn't have to be the same everywhere because the forces may have different effects in different places due to other factors, or something along those lines.
I agree RE: cosmic rocks stirring up earth dust.
I agree RE: not shown not limited to W's staff
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Post by: londongirl on October 02, 2004, 05:43:04 PM
again, same as Jaz. it's looking up!
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 05:43:32 PM
For the tidal waves one I put something like gravitational forces could effect the ocean (I think it was d).  I have to run off to a play, but being that i am obsessive at this point, will be back in no less than 2 hours to discuss a few more questions I have read about on xoxohth.com (which I never talk on, but am stealing their memories from tonight).  Thanks so much for your help guys, I hope you all did great.
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 05:44:05 PM
Ok, here are two more to discuss.

1.)  The corrupt board one.  I don't remember much more than that.  It was about how a board of people was corrupt, one of the answer choices had to do with not being able to prove that each person on the board did corupt things, another to do with the fact that each person did corrupt things in their own business.  Anyone remember this?

2.)  One on the temp of earth cooling, something about cosmic rocks that stirred up *earth* dust, all i remember is i put that the last one wouldn't work.  the others seemed ok.  Anyone remember this?
Yeah, I remember -- for the corrupt board one, I'm confident that the correct answer was that the argument never showed that the corruption was not limited to Wegzman (or whatever his name was)... because they claimed that "the board is full of corruption and should be replaced" but then only gave examples of corruption from the staff of that one guy.  So why replace the whole board if there's only one bad apple?

And for the earth cooling one, I'm pretty sure the right answer was that rocks often enter Earth's atmosphere and kick up dust.  The reason that doesn't help support the argument is that that response never says the dust causes a temperature decrease.  The original argument was that ice ages are caused by dense dust clouds orbiting the Sun.  So that answer choice doesn't help support the DUST->COOLING TEMPERATURES theory.


WOW. Awesome memory (even remember Wegzman). Yeap, that's what I got for both those.
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 05:52:17 PM
Can we get a consensus on the tidal wave question? Anyone remember the answer choices (right or wrong ones)?
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Post by: Rizz98 on October 02, 2004, 05:56:47 PM
If I remember right, the correct answer was something about other factors affecting...
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Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 05:58:00 PM
If I remember right, the correct answer was something about other factors affecting...

Yeah, that's what I thought too. 
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 06:01:11 PM
If I remember right, the correct answer was something about other factors affecting...

Yeah, that's what I thought too. 

As in:
 "gravity was responsible for the existence of the tidal changes, but not necessarily for their sizes"  ???
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Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 06:02:39 PM
If I remember right, the correct answer was something about other factors affecting...

Yeah, that's what I thought too. 

As in:
 "gravity was responsible for the existence of the tidal changes, but not necessarily for their sizes"  ???

Exactly -- that's what I meant.
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Post by: saf2001 on October 02, 2004, 06:02:45 PM
dang... for the corruption board one i put that he didn't relate "bribery and corruption." Gosh I'm dumb
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Post by: calibos11 on October 02, 2004, 06:07:49 PM
I know this question is impossible to answer accurately, but how do you all think you scored relative to previous performance on prac. tests? The games cost me some for sure...
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Post by: londongirl on October 02, 2004, 06:16:32 PM
slightly better, but not totally sure
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Post by: Rizz98 on October 02, 2004, 06:25:35 PM
I'd say that barring a generous scale, I scored 3-5 points below what I normally scored on my practice tests. The small LG section didn't help, since I usually smoke the games anyway, I'd rather have a couple extra thrown in there and a couple less RC or LR.
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Post by: arc87 on October 02, 2004, 06:33:02 PM
I thought the gravity question was that there are other factors that gravity effects could have an effect - something like that

Here's a new one -

The question between the 2 people regarding scientific theories and whether or not they were valid -
what did the two disagree about - I put whether or not scince was something or another.

Also -
Having a democracy and being able to go with market place restrictions- I answered this question  - democratic principles are consistant with voting on restricitons to the market or something like that.
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Post by: Borocco on October 02, 2004, 06:44:34 PM
What did you put for the dog neutering question?
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Post by: Rizz98 on October 02, 2004, 06:47:05 PM
I hated the dog neutering one! I can't even remember exactly what I put, but I had 2-3 choices I was torn between. I think I put the answer about whether dogs with healthy leg bones can develop arthritis, since the conclusion was that you could protect dogs from arthritis by not neutering them as puppies, which would in turn not hurt their leg bones. But I can't remember for sure.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 07:00:40 PM
How bout the one with cosmic dust clouds blocking the sun?

Chose large asteroid particle cause dust to form on earth periodically.  On this one we had to choose the one that would not support the argument.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 07:01:36 PM
you're right on corrupt board. It was Wagner's (?) staff that was corrupt, not necessarily the whole board.

I agree.
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Post by: peteybetey on October 02, 2004, 07:02:28 PM
The dog neutering one was about what grounds the argument was most vunerable to criticism on.  I put that it was the effects of neutering in middle-to-late puppyhood; in the question, I remember it specifying evidence that neutering in early puppyhood led to the arthritis, then concluded the argument by saying that neutering a dog during puppyhood was bad (or something to the effect).  It was a tough question, though; 2-3 choices seemed reasonable before I re-read it.

I also agree with the asteriod particle/cosmic dust opinion that most people seem to have.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 07:03:58 PM
Ok, here are two more to discuss.

1.)  The corrupt board one.  I don't remember much more than that.  It was about how a board of people was corrupt, one of the answer choices had to do with not being able to prove that each person on the board did corupt things, another to do with the fact that each person did corrupt things in their own business.  Anyone remember this?

2.)  One on the temp of earth cooling, something about cosmic rocks that stirred up *earth* dust, all i remember is i put that the last one wouldn't work.  the others seemed ok.  Anyone remember this?
Yeah, I remember -- for the corrupt board one, I'm confident that the correct answer was that the argument never showed that the corruption was not limited to Wegzman (or whatever his name was)... because they claimed that "the board is full of corruption and should be replaced" but then only gave examples of corruption from the staff of that one guy.  So why replace the whole board if there's only one bad apple?

And for the earth cooling one, I'm pretty sure the right answer was that rocks often enter Earth's atmosphere and kick up dust.  The reason that doesn't help support the argument is that that response never says the dust causes a temperature decrease.  The original argument was that ice ages are caused by dense dust clouds orbiting the Sun.  So that answer choice doesn't help support the DUST->COOLING TEMPERATURES theory.


I agree on both counts.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 07:04:55 PM
The nutrient being supplied in the womb reinforces the argument because the babies born 5-6 weeks prematurely had bad eyesight independently.
Tidal wave question - the height difference doesn't have to be the same everywhere because the forces may have different effects in different places due to other factors, or something along those lines.
I agree RE: cosmic rocks stirring up earth dust.
I agree RE: not shown not limited to W's staff


I agree with all of the above.
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Post by: saf2001 on October 02, 2004, 07:07:02 PM
hey for the dog neuter one i put e) because it directly mentioned that non-neutered dogs could still get arthritis (can't remember the exact wording)
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 07:11:05 PM
I hated the dog neutering one! I can't even remember exactly what I put, but I had 2-3 choices I was torn between. I think I put the answer about whether dogs with healthy leg bones can develop arthritis, since the conclusion was that you could protect dogs from arthritis by not neutering them as puppies, which would in turn not hurt their leg bones. But I can't remember for sure.

This was a tough question.  All I remember is that I figured it out :)
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 07:12:21 PM
The dog neutering one was about what grounds the argument was most vunerable to criticism on.  I put that it was the effects of neutering in middle-to-late puppyhood; in the question, I remember it specifying evidence that neutering in early puppyhood led to the arthritis, then concluded the argument by saying that neutering a dog during puppyhood was bad (or something to the effect).  It was a tough question, though; 2-3 choices seemed reasonable before I re-read it.

I disagree.  I had a different answer.
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Post by: saf2001 on October 02, 2004, 07:16:07 PM
no i thought that conclusion was something like young puppies neutred are more likely to get arthritis.... maybe I am not remembering this correctly though.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 07:17:23 PM
hey for the dog neuter one i put e) because it directly mentioned that non-neutered dogs could still get arthritis (can't remember the exact wording)

Yes, I think this is what I picked.
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Post by: FSF17 on October 02, 2004, 07:20:44 PM
The dog neutering one was about what grounds the argument was most vunerable to criticism on.  I put that it was the effects of neutering in middle-to-late puppyhood; in the question, I remember it specifying evidence that neutering in early puppyhood led to the arthritis, then concluded the argument by saying that neutering a dog during puppyhood was bad (or something to the effect).  It was a tough question, though; 2-3 choices seemed reasonable before I re-read it.

I also agree with the asteriod particle/cosmic dust opinion that most people seem to have.

The neutering question said that in order to protect your dog from arthritis, you had to neuter him in adulthood, because doing so in early puppyhood caused arthritis... but it said nothing about middle or late puppyhood, so I took it that in order to protect your dog you did not HAVE to neuter him in adulthood... you could possibly do it in mid or late puppyhood.

Does anybody know if Frank Lloyd Wright was used as an example in an RC to show an innovator or to use popular examples? Since the passage didn't mention their popularity, I chose the former.
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Post by: vegemitemama on October 02, 2004, 07:22:47 PM
hey for the dog neuter one i put e) because it directly mentioned that non-neutered dogs could still get arthritis (can't remember the exact wording)
Yeah, that's what I put too. The middle to late puppyhood one was tempting, but when I got to E), I figured that was way better. It addressed the specific thing said about protecting the dog from arthritis.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 02, 2004, 07:23:32 PM
Does anybody know if Frank Lloyd Wright was used as an example in an RC to show an innovator or to use popular examples? Since the passage didn't mention their popularity, I chose the former.

I didn't have much clue on this question.  Was rushed and had to guess. I'm really hoping I guessed right, and I think I might have, but I don't remember exactly what I guessed. I know for sure that I guess correctly on two games questions and one passage question, so I feel really great about that.
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Post by: FSF17 on October 02, 2004, 07:32:41 PM
hey for the dog neuter one i put e) because it directly mentioned that non-neutered dogs could still get arthritis (can't remember the exact wording)
Yeah, that's what I put too. The middle to late puppyhood one was tempting, but when I got to E), I figured that was way better. It addressed the specific thing said about protecting the dog from arthritis.

I really think the correct answer to the puppy question dealt with mid to late puppyhood. The argument said that in order to protect your dog, you should neuter him in adulthood. The argument didn't say to neuter the dog in adulthood to eliminate all chances of your dog getting arthritis, which would have made answer E the best answer. Plus, it seemed very important that the claim made a black-and-white view of adulthood and early puppyhood without including any time between the two.
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Post by: saf2001 on October 02, 2004, 07:36:03 PM
anyone remember how many questions there were in the 3rd game?
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Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 07:38:08 PM
hey for the dog neuter one i put e) because it directly mentioned that non-neutered dogs could still get arthritis (can't remember the exact wording)
Yeah, that's what I put too. The middle to late puppyhood one was tempting, but when I got to E), I figured that was way better. It addressed the specific thing said about protecting the dog from arthritis.

I really think the correct answer to the puppy question dealt with mid to late puppyhood. The argument said that in order to protect your dog, you should neuter him in adulthood. The argument didn't say to neuter the dog in adulthood to eliminate all chances of your dog getting arthritis, which would have made answer E the best answer. Plus, it seemed very important that the claim made a black-and-white view of adulthood and early puppyhood without including any time between the two.

Yeah, I agree on the dog neutering one -- it was the "middle- to late-puppyhood" choice.  For two reasons:
1.  The fact that the question specifically mentioned EARLY puppyhood was a tip-off that they were ignoring the other stages in puppyhood
2.  "Protect" your dog from arthritis doesn't mean prevent him from getting arthritis, with 100% certainty; it just means reduce his risk of getting it.  (so the "some non-neutered dogs might get arthritis too" argument isn't very strong)
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Post by: cardman on October 02, 2004, 07:41:28 PM
As far as the puppy question is concerned, I thought the argument was that in order to protect your dog, you should neuter him in adulthood.  I remember (at least I think I do) the argument not explicitly saying "to protect your dog against arthritis", so I saw a vulnerability in the omission of the possibility of advantages of neutering in puppihood that outweighed the disadvantages of the increased risk of arthritis.  I'm pretty sure this was an answer choice.

Of course, my memory is fuzzy about the whole test, so I could be completely off the wall.
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Post by: peteybetey on October 02, 2004, 07:43:51 PM
The third and fourth games had 5 questions each.
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Post by: theresa11 on October 02, 2004, 07:47:40 PM
Yes, there was one about the amount of money politicans spend on campaigns.  About how in a democratic election on candidate should not have an unfair advantage.

I put the answer that there should be an upper cap on the amount of money spent on a campaign.

Yaye!  I put the same thing! woohoo...that's 1 correct so far I guess....*hopeful*
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Post by: saf2001 on October 02, 2004, 07:47:58 PM
Hey if anyone could let me know what the letter answers were for questions (13-17) on the 3rd logic game (the one with the 8,9,10 century w/ f,g,o) that would be VERY HELPFUL.

Also, what did you all get for that one about the children who demonstrate impulsive behavior then the author concludes that the thrill-seeking behavior is correlated/caused? be a certain gene."  I was debating between two answer choices for this one. thanks!!!
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Post by: victorv on October 02, 2004, 07:58:50 PM
for the third game, i got ecaec, but i dont know if they are all right. i think actually got one wrong (hopefully not more).
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Post by: FSF17 on October 02, 2004, 08:03:06 PM
Would somebody please tell me what the NGF passage (or something like that)was about. I really can't remember.
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Post by: saf2001 on October 02, 2004, 08:08:47 PM
My memory is very fuzzy about this but essentially it was about a chemical NGF, that controls neuron growth.  In the second paragraph, it described experiments about some lady (forgot her name) one involving mice and the other was about isolating cells in a container.  In the final paragraph, it discussed further implications of studying these sort of chemicals.
Hope that helps.
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Post by: saf2001 on October 02, 2004, 08:17:42 PM
Hey this is a question about the NGF passage... my memory if fading now...but it went something like this:

"which one of the following is most supported by the passage?"
a)excess neurons the body are rid by x? or by contact with anti-NGF.
another one: there are sometimes no "target cells"
e)??

Do people remember this?  What did others put?
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 08:24:30 PM
For the dog nuetering one I put that it didn't weight in other factors (something about not thinking if doing something would be better over all). 

There was also the question with the bike.  Something about why the bike was around in xxxx year then wasn't back around until 50 years later so it must be that it wasn't popular.  I had it down to the option of it was bad because it presumed that fads were never accepted or that it ignored other possibilities.  I went with the later.
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Post by: foxnewssucks on October 02, 2004, 08:25:27 PM
For the dog nuetering one I put that it didn't weight in other factors (something about not thinking if doing something would be better over all). 

There was also the question with the bike.  Something about why the bike was around in xxxx year then wasn't back around until 50 years later so it must be that it wasn't popular.  I had it down to the option of it was bad because it presumed that fads were never accepted or that it ignored other possibilities.  I went with the later.


I think I went went the other possibilites as well.
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Post by: FSF17 on October 02, 2004, 08:30:51 PM
For the dog nuetering one I put that it didn't weight in other factors (something about not thinking if doing something would be better over all). 

There was also the question with the bike.  Something about why the bike was around in xxxx year then wasn't back around until 50 years later so it must be that it wasn't popular.  I had it down to the option of it was bad because it presumed that fads were never accepted or that it ignored other possibilities.  I went with the later.

I went with the former.
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Post by: cardman on October 02, 2004, 08:38:57 PM
Yeah, I agree with Katie.  For the neutering question, the reason most people were torn between a couple of answers is because they misread the argument's conclusion as saying "to protect the dog from arthritis" when it actually said only "to protect your dog".  The omission of arthritis broadens the scope of the argument and is therefore an error.  The argument is vulnerable in that there may be advantages to neutering a dog in puppihood that outweigh the increased risk of arthritis.  Therefore, neutering in puppihood may in fact be better to "protect the dog".  This was an answer choice I think.

For the bike question, the argument attempted to link the failure of bikes to a fading of a fad.  It neglected that the bike may have failed due to other reasons, say the growing influence of the car, for example (I think this is the actual reason why bikes faded in popularity, in fact).
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 09:07:39 PM
Here's a couple more:
1.) the pollution question where the two people disagreed, i put the disagreement was about people being inclined to pollute
2.) the cholestoral one, people take a pill that their cholestoral is still higher 15% higher, i put that those people orginially had cholestoral 30% higher
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Post by: foxnewssucks on October 02, 2004, 09:08:41 PM
Here's a couple more:
1.) the pollution question where the two people disagreed, i put the disagreement was about people being inclined to pollute
2.) the cholestoral one, people take a pill that their cholestoral is still higher 15% higher, i put that those people orginially had cholestoral 30% higher


That is what I put for both of those.
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Post by: jag2004 on October 02, 2004, 09:09:50 PM
Here's a couple more:
1.) the pollution question where the two people disagreed, i put the disagreement was about people being inclined to pollute
2.) the cholestoral one, people take a pill that their cholestoral is still higher 15% higher, i put that those people orginially had cholestoral 30% higher


That is what I put for both of those.

Me too!
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 09:14:09 PM
Two more (I'm getting these from xoxohth.com)
1.)  the angioplasty one with woman and men, coffee and tea, and increased vasopressen, clotting effects\- i really can't remember what i put on this one without being reminded of the choices, but the consensus seems to bed that woman shouldn't drink coffee or tea before that certain kind of surgery (I don't know if i put that though)

2.)  the one with the girl piano player and Schumann's work.  i put that the flaw could be that the majority of people who recognize Schumann's work may be non-pianists.
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Post by: foxnewssucks on October 02, 2004, 09:15:15 PM
Two more (I'm getting these from xoxohth.com)
1.)  the angioplasty one with woman and men, coffee and tea, and increased vasopressen, clotting effects\- i really can't remember what i put on this one without being reminded of the choices, but the consensus seems to bed that woman shouldn't drink coffee or tea before that certain kind of surgery (I don't know if i put that though)

2.)  the one with the girl piano player and Schumann's work.  i put that the flaw could be that the majority of people who recognize Schumann's work may be non-pianists.

I put that for the 2nd one... not sure about the angioplasty.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 02, 2004, 09:32:39 PM
I can't remember if anyone mentioned this one: children and some kind of behavior being like adults and thrill-seeking behavior ... and how they are insensitive to dopamine?
I put impulsive behavior is impossible to distinguish because i thought it would destory the entire arguement.  some other people at xoxo put some adults do not exhibit the same things as they did as a child or something like that.

There was also one dealing with Freud and people who don't agree with him.

I'm exhausted from this day so am going to bed:)  Hope this thread helped some of you out as much as it did me.
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Post by: noell on October 02, 2004, 11:19:18 PM
What was your RC section about?  I had two, and I'm trying to figure out which one was experimental ...

I'm trying to remember the parallel reason ?'s....Something like if one doesn't do something then the other must do something, match the flaw in reasoning....can't remember the subject matter.

Yeah, this was the one where all the answer choices had to do with tire pressure.  I chose B.
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Post by: BIG H2001 on October 03, 2004, 12:15:53 AM
Damn, Katie I am impressed with your memory.  For the angioplasty I had to come back to that one becuase it was just too complicated in the middle of the section for me to try to decipher.  But I put, I think, answer D about women should not drink coffee or tea before angioplasty.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 03, 2004, 04:36:43 AM
Here's a couple more:
1.) the pollution question where the two people disagreed, i put the disagreement was about people being inclined to pollute
2.) the cholestoral one, people take a pill that their cholestoral is still higher 15% higher, i put that those people orginially had cholestoral 30% higher

These were my answers.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 03, 2004, 04:37:15 AM
Here's a couple more:
1.) the pollution question where the two people disagreed, i put the disagreement was about people being inclined to pollute
2.) the cholestoral one, people take a pill that their cholestoral is still higher 15% higher, i put that those people orginially had cholestoral 30% higher

These were my answers
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 03, 2004, 04:43:03 AM
I can't remember if anyone mentioned this one: children and some kind of behavior being like adults and thrill-seeking behavior ... and how they are insensitive to dopamine?
I put impulsive behavior is impossible to distinguish because i thought it would destory the entire arguement.  some other people at xoxo put some adults do not exhibit the same things as they did as a child or something like that.

You got it right.  that is the answer I put and I am certain it is right.  It is tricky, though, since it is counter-intuitive.  It would seem like it should be eliminated right away because impulsive behaviour ought to be easy to recognize.  But if in fact it isn't, then the whole argument is a non-starter.

In the "which of the following if tru"e questions you have to consider that each choice is true.  I remember one question from a preptest in which one of the answer choices was completely absurd.  It was something like "aliens invade and destroy all the data" which my study partner just laughed at and eliminated without even thinking.  But if that were true (regardless of how ridiculous it is) it would completely destroy the argument.
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Post by: victrola on October 03, 2004, 06:40:12 AM
hi,

i have been lurking since i finished taking the LSAT, trying to figure out how well i did.  this is compulsive.

for the board of directors question, it seems like only one other person aside from me selected the correlation between corruption and bribery.  i was sure that i got the right answer.  the author took a leap of logic by stating that because they used bribery, that they were therefore corrupt.  if bribery is NOT corruption, the entire argument fell apart.  this was an assumption question, right?  did i miss something?

the parallel reasoning question with the trees killed me.  i spent forever on that one and feel like slapping my forehead, after listening to the discussion of it, of how easy it really seems now.  blah.
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Post by: saf2001 on October 03, 2004, 06:59:13 AM
Does anyone remember what letter choice they selected for the 1st LR question about the ice ages and dust?  I can't even remember what I selected.
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Post by: halfso on October 03, 2004, 07:19:12 AM
For the temp/sun/dust one, I recall that there was one answer that had to do with meteors or rocks hitting the earth, and it was the only one that did not support the idea of the temp changing because of earth being affected by relation to the sun, so I chose that one. On second thought, there may have been a choice about volcanoes, too, but that one seemed to be ok. Anybody remember more precisely?
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Post by: saf2001 on October 03, 2004, 07:21:51 AM
yes one of the choices was about a volcano that can spit dust into the air and one was about how small objects can rise up dust from the earth.  I can't remember what letter choices these were though?
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 03, 2004, 07:23:21 AM
Saf- the ice age and dust one was e i believe.  

For the board was I put the link between corruption and bribery too.  At the time I wasn't very happy with my answer, and was hoping for an answer about how parts don't make a whole (basically what everyone else selected).  I must have misread that answer or else I probably would have selected it.  I still see the merit for the answer we put, but perhaps its supposed to be obvious the bribery is corruption....  I think it would be a bigger deal that they were talking specifically about an individual on the board (or maybe even several indiviudals) in their own companies, not on the board.
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Post by: halfso on October 03, 2004, 07:24:50 AM
Speaking of ice ages, did anyone else have some difficulty with the one about the cracks in the surface caused by the melting of ice in Sweden/earthquakes? That one took me longer than just about any other; I finally chose the one that mentioned Northern Europe over the Canada choice. I think there was one other choice that could have been feasible in my mind, but I don't remember. Holla.
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Post by: fineprint on October 03, 2004, 07:27:38 AM
I can't remember accurately, but the one I chose as an answer was one about how earthquakes are caused by cracks or something.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 03, 2004, 07:28:59 AM
Oh, can you remember more about it.  I think I avoided the answers with North American and Canada, but I this is all I remember.  The ice in (Greenland or some such place) melts, when ice melts it causes cracks in the surface that cause earthquakes.  That doesn't really sound right....  Anyone else remember that one?
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Post by: dr_draino on October 03, 2004, 07:31:05 AM
I remember fineprnts answer...the question said ice melts and all of a sudden that means Norway (?) must have earthquakes.

I think there was an anwer about ice melting in northern europe that just said soemthing like that would cause cracks

but there was an answer that just said, when cracks form, earthquakes will result in that area that you needed to complete the logic
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 03, 2004, 07:33:57 AM
Yeah Dr. Draino, I think I selected the simple answer about ice melts -> earthquakes as well.
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Post by: BIG H2001 on October 03, 2004, 07:37:42 AM
Ok, so on that earth question the answer I picked was about particles from earth being kicked up into that atmosphere. That was correct, right?
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Post by: dr_draino on October 03, 2004, 07:41:17 AM
Ok, so on that earth question the answer I picked was about particles from earth being kicked up into that atmosphere. That was correct, right?

I don't think so...I think any questions related to particles in the earth's atmospher were correct.  I don't remember what the answer that didn't have to do with particles in the atmosphere was though.
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Post by: halfso on October 03, 2004, 07:44:02 AM
Ok, first off, I know it was Sweden (as if that matters). More importantly, I remember not picking the ice melts -> earthquakes choice because then there was no link stating that earthquakes caused the cracks in Sweden. I think it was a trick to have you assume that the cracks were caused by earthquakes. There was a part about pressure being relieved under the earth as the ice melted somewhere in the middle of the statement, too, which I'm not sure had to do with anything... This one was not good.
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Post by: BIG H2001 on October 03, 2004, 07:47:14 AM
I'm not sure if that was my answer, dr. draino. I really can't remember now.  I think my answer seems similar to what people are saying though.  I just remember something about dust being picked up from earth's surface that didn't seem to go with the answer.
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Post by: dr_draino on October 03, 2004, 07:49:21 AM
I'm just gonna step away from this thread, cause it's all bleeding together now!  Oct. 25 will be here soon enough.
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Post by: brunot99 on October 03, 2004, 07:55:18 AM
If anyone took the LSAT in February did they recognize the modernist architecture passage was also on yesterday's LSAT? What was the question that asked which word from the passage best captured the authors attitude about modernist? i can't remember the details about what it was asking.
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Post by: halfso on October 03, 2004, 07:57:03 AM
Here's one from the RC that got me for a good 2 minutes, and I still wasn't sure. From the legal services for the Canadian laborers passage, it was the question about the breakdown/layout of the passage. There were choices like "Discusses a recent occurence, lists good and negative about that occurence, and submits a recommendation" (that is an amalgamation of several of the choices cuz I can't remember exactly one of them). I ended up picking the one that ended with the author giving a recommendation, I believe, even though I didn't think it was well supported in the text. But the other choices seemed way off in the descriptions of the first and second elements... I just remembered the beginning of another choice: "Presents new policies and procedures, yadda yadda". Ideas, anybody out there?
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Post by: brunot99 on October 03, 2004, 08:00:15 AM
For the CAW passage i think i icked the one that said that at the end the author argued against it or he disagreed with it? I remember not liking that passage that much
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Post by: saf2001 on October 03, 2004, 08:03:19 AM
I might remember that one... I think i chose author presents an occurence, describes its negative and positive consequences, and then supplies an argument.  Something like that... but maybe i'm thinking of the wrong passage.  There was another response that looked good until the final two sentences that said, "the author lists the practical values of a phenomena and then provides further data.." Something like that... these words are slightly twisted
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Post by: BIG H2001 on October 03, 2004, 08:06:02 AM
I picked something along those lines too.  Which is what he did if I remembered correctly.  I think he described a phenomenon, evaluated arguments for and against it, and then offered his own recommendation or argument/evaluation.
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Post by: saf2001 on October 03, 2004, 08:08:25 AM
Does anyone remember that RC question on the passage about NGF... it went something like, "what does the author consider to be that lady's most prominent accomplisment?"
a)paving the way for further studies in neuro&biochem
...
) something about transplating mice tissue
and
) then one about her discovery of the function of NGF.. I cannot remember the exact wording

What did you all put?
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Post by: ericthered on October 03, 2004, 08:12:51 AM
For the Candian Law one I ended up opting for the answe that said it described an occurence and ended with an argument from the author. I went for this because it ended with him arguing that the service ultimately wouldnt work because it would hrt lcients and lawyers which was an argument and clearly not a recoomendation even though i preferred the term "phenomenon" used with the recommondation answer choice over "ocuurence" which was used in the "end in an argument" choice...is anyone else of the same thinking on this one?
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Post by: brunot99 on October 03, 2004, 08:16:01 AM
ericthered, i picked the one with the author arguing too
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Post by: Everyman on October 03, 2004, 08:16:46 AM
I think i chose author presents an occurence, describes its negative and positive consequences, and then supplies an argument.

Same here.
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Post by: Everyman on October 03, 2004, 08:17:53 AM
I went with the one about paving the way, since the third paragraph outlined further advances of NGF
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Post by: saf2001 on October 03, 2004, 08:19:48 AM
I went with paving the way too.. but I was considering the NGF functioning as well
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Post by: ericthered on October 03, 2004, 08:24:51 AM
with regard to the modernist architecture question about what function Frank Wright played --- like may I had it down between innovator and popularized modernism. I ultimately think after a couple erasings I went with popularized --- see I know the passage never explicitly states that he popularizes Modernism, but it also never says he innovates modernism either. In fact because Modernism (according to the passage) was more concered more about aestetics that structural utility or functioning in order to be an innovator of modernism it would have to be solely based on design...but I think when I went back and reread noticed that it said Wright himself didnt consider himself a Modernist but that Modernists cited him in the 40s when some of the designs were drawing attention...but the catalyst for the inclusion of his name was that unlike the early 1900s in the 1940s more attention was drawn to the building and it had soemthing to do with Wright's work. All things being equal -- even assuming he was somehow an innovator, in context of the passage it woudl still seem the point is he popularized through his innovation. But on the flipside, he could certianly popularize through design without being an innovator structurally (no such thing in Modernism) or aesthetically...and since there is only one correct answer I opted for popularize as it seemed less inclusive...did anyone else choose this or am I all alone?
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Post by: BIG H2001 on October 03, 2004, 08:31:59 AM
If I remember that Frank Lloyd Wright question correctly I think the author was describing him as an example of what Modernists though to be Modernism while "conveneniently" looking over the other aspects of his paintings that did not fit with Modernism.  So that's the answer I put.  The Modernists used him as an example of Modernism.
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Post by: ericthered on October 03, 2004, 08:38:17 AM
I think that's a different question from the one im talking baout. Im referring to like question 26 the question you r talking about is like a few before that --- what was the question stem for that one: "which word in context best describes the authors view of modernists?"
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Post by: BIG H2001 on October 03, 2004, 08:41:03 AM
Well I think there were 2 different questions.  I just put the emphasis on conveniently because I remember that being another answer choice of mine in that section about the author's attitude.  But it's all blending together now.
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Post by: Everyman on October 03, 2004, 08:52:14 AM
Authors attidude had things like "forbearing", "exasperated", and other stuff.

Then there was another question using quotes from the passage.  "Conveniently" was one of them, as was "innovative", I believe.

Two different questions, I'm pretty sure.
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Post by: ericthered on October 03, 2004, 08:57:06 AM
from the chinese passage -- the question about histriographers and which naratives sources about the pacific they drew from most == was  it european explorers? also there was a main point question i believe number 8 anyone remember what ehy got? I think I put in C?

For game for anyone know if the first list question (18) was a or b and did anyone get B for 19-22?
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Post by: saf2001 on October 03, 2004, 09:06:33 AM
Yes there were two different questions about tone/attitude:

one was how would you describe the authors attitude of proponents of the Modernism movement (correct, right?)
the choices went something like.. "forbearing," "unimpressive", "exacebrated".....

the other what word best describes the authors tone towards architects work like Frank Lloyd Wright (the question was not worded exactly like this... it involved connecting their works to "modernism").
"conveniently," was there an "ignorant..." in there?  I really can't remember the other options..
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Post by: ericthered on October 03, 2004, 09:24:29 AM
wasnt one of the choices aesthetically minded?
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Post by: jag2004 on October 03, 2004, 09:26:20 AM
wasnt one of the choices aesthetically minded?

Yes, I think that's what I put, in fact. Because the author's whole point was that the modernists' work was all style and no substance.  They were pursuing an aesthetic ideology while disregarding the practical aspects to designing a building (like function and cost).
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Post by: victrola on October 03, 2004, 09:30:18 AM
does anyone remember an inference question (one of the last 5 or 6 in the second LR section) that had to do with the pursuit of happiness and obtaining a goal?  it was either a most infererable or least inferable.  it sort of seemed like formal logic, but i was crunched for time and didn't have enough of it to really work out the question.  i think i picked the one that said that all goals do or do not lead to happiness or something like that because i remembered reading that certain goals did not lead to happiness, but felt unsure and like i'd missed something.

anybody?
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Post by: peteybetey on October 03, 2004, 09:34:59 AM
There was another aspect to that question, but I can't remember exactly what it was or the answer.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 03, 2004, 10:00:01 AM
I sort of remember that question.  I can't remember what I put, if you have more info I probably could.  I think it was something along those lines.  I believe that the answer could be found directly in the passage (for example, if the answer was all goals don't lead to happiness, one for the sentences was the goal will only lead to happiness if). 
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Post by: ericthered on October 03, 2004, 10:36:49 AM
does anyone recall any of the CLW q's or A's?
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Post by: *daisychain* on October 03, 2004, 10:37:10 AM
Did anyone have this:
LR
LR
RC
LR
AR

Which LR was the experimental?
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 03, 2004, 10:45:43 AM
i think someone keeps mentioning tire pressure in the lr experimental.  it was one of the lr before the break.  the one after the break was real.
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Post by: foxnewssucks on October 03, 2004, 10:46:40 AM
it seems that the second section was experimental for everyone.
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Post by: Maryanne007 on October 03, 2004, 10:51:37 AM
does anyone remember the question from the law passage that asks about why the author mentions the market devices...

was it a benefit? or a detriment?

cause it was a benefit for those lawyers, but overall it is a detriment since consumers get worse quality law service and other lawyers get screwed.
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Post by: jag2004 on October 03, 2004, 10:53:14 AM
does anyone remember the question from the law passage that asks about why the author mentions the market devices...

was it a benefit? or a detriment?

cause it was a benefit for those lawyers, but overall it is a detriment since consumers get worse quality law service and other lawyers get screwed.

Exactly -- I was so confused about that one!  I think I ended up picking "detriment", but I felt like it really was both.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 03, 2004, 10:55:44 AM
Yeah, I agree with Katie.  For the neutering question, the reason most people were torn between a couple of answers is because they misread the argument's conclusion as saying "to protect the dog from arthritis" when it actually said only "to protect your dog".  The omission of arthritis broadens the scope of the argument and is therefore an error.  The argument is vulnerable in that there may be advantages to neutering a dog in puppihood that outweigh the increased risk of arthritis.  Therefore, neutering in puppihood may in fact be better to "protect the dog".  This was an answer choice I think.

For the bike question, the argument attempted to link the failure of bikes to a fading of a fad.  It neglected that the bike may have failed due to other reasons.

I agree with this analysis completely.  These are the answers I chose.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 03, 2004, 10:56:40 AM
For the temp/sun/dust one, I recall that there was one answer that had to do with meteors or rocks hitting the earth, and it was the only one that did not support the idea of the temp changing because of earth being affected by relation to the sun, so I chose that one. On second thought, there may have been a choice about volcanoes, too, but that one seemed to be ok. Anybody remember more precisely?

The volcanos answer on this question was not correct.
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Post by: ghostpirate on October 03, 2004, 10:57:48 AM
The benefit/detriment:
The answer was something like it was cited as a benefit by the proponents of the plan.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 03, 2004, 10:59:06 AM
I can't remember accurately, but the one I chose as an answer was one about how earthquakes are caused by cracks or something.


Yes.  I agree.
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Post by: Maryanne007 on October 03, 2004, 11:02:14 AM
The benefit/detriment:
The answer was something like it was cited as a benefit by the proponents of the plan.


but didnt the proponents cite it was a benefit for all lawyers and the author was making a distinction that it was only for poor lawyers?  i think the question was why he put it in the passage.
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Post by: jag2004 on October 03, 2004, 11:05:25 AM
The benefit/detriment:
The answer was something like it was cited as a benefit by the proponents of the plan.


but didnt the proponents cite it was a benefit for all lawyers and the author was making a distinction that it was only for poor lawyers?  i think the question was why he put it in the passage.

I put "detriment" because the proponents never specifically advocated its benefit as a "marketing device" -- those were the AUTHOR's words, and he used them in the context of a sentence that was explaining why that would lead to an overall decline in the quality of legal services.
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Post by: Maryanne007 on October 03, 2004, 11:08:16 AM
The benefit/detriment:
The answer was something like it was cited as a benefit by the proponents of the plan.


but didnt the proponents cite it was a benefit for all lawyers and the author was making a distinction that it was only for poor lawyers?  i think the question was why he put it in the passage.

I put "detriment" because the proponents never specifically advocated its benefit as a "marketing device" -- those were the AUTHOR's words, and he used them in the context of a sentence that was explaining why that would lead to an overall decline in the quality of legal services.

ah, yes i agree. =)
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Post by: jag2004 on October 03, 2004, 11:11:33 AM
Yeah, I agree with Katie.  For the neutering question, the reason most people were torn between a couple of answers is because they misread the argument's conclusion as saying "to protect the dog from arthritis" when it actually said only "to protect your dog".  The omission of arthritis broadens the scope of the argument and is therefore an error.  The argument is vulnerable in that there may be advantages to neutering a dog in puppihood that outweigh the increased risk of arthritis.  Therefore, neutering in puppihood may in fact be better to "protect the dog".  This was an answer choice I think.

I agree with this analysis completely.  These are the answers I chose.

But with the neutering question, why would they have specifically said "EARLY puppyhood" if the answer had to do with protection overall VS. protection from arthritis?
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Post by: peteybetey on October 03, 2004, 12:11:02 PM
Does anyone know the exact wording of response e for the dog neutering one (the one about how the potential benefits of neutering might outweigh the impact of arthritis)?
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Post by: halfso on October 03, 2004, 01:00:50 PM
The wording was close to: "overlooks/neglects the fact that the benefits of neutering your dog as a puppy may outweigh the threat/harm/danger of arthritis." That was the answer I chose.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 03, 2004, 01:04:47 PM
The wording was close to: "overlooks/neglects the fact that the benefits of neutering your dog as a puppy may outweigh the threat/harm/danger of arthritis." That was the answer I chose.

I think that is the one I chose too.
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Post by: peteybetey on October 03, 2004, 01:15:30 PM
Of the ones we're not pointing out here, most were pretty easy, correct?  i.e. looking at these and saying I might have gotten like 25% of what we're discussing wrong should correlate higher than 75/100 overall, right (asuming there were no huge mistakes in the games section and there were no sections that I didn't get to)?  Sorry, just inexperienced w/ the process.
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Post by: DandA on October 03, 2004, 01:27:29 PM
What was the parallel reasoning one with a small car/big car? It was mentioned on another board, and I'll can't remember it for the life of me.

Also, what did everyone put for the Michaelangelo/Forgery/other guy question?  The wone with the "hatching" and telling who is the original artist?
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Post by: peteybetey on October 03, 2004, 01:35:04 PM
For the Michaelangelo one, it was something aboutt the uniqueness of the other artist's hatches (I can't recall if it was that it was unique in relation to Michaelangelo, or just that you could tell the difference based on the other artist's previous works).
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Post by: p on October 03, 2004, 02:22:25 PM
For the Michaelangelo one it was something to the effect of paintings that were earlier attributed to him are no longer attributed to him because of the uniqueness of each artist's hatch marks.

The small car one was like small are cars are more likely to be damaged in accidents than larger cars, but they can be manuvered more easily. I can't for the life of me remember what my answer was.

I'm definitely still a little bit drunk from last night.
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Post by: peteybetey on October 03, 2004, 02:25:55 PM
With the cars one, I don't remember the answer either, but I remember the scenario they gave in the correct answer fit very well within the small car/large car reasoning.
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Post by: slavster on October 03, 2004, 02:44:21 PM
Actually, on the neutering question, I believe they did mention protecting your dog from arthritis specifically....I even went back and double-checked that part, because it was very important in that argument;

So, I believe the right answer was: Your dog may develop arthritis despite being neutered....
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Post by: fineprint on October 03, 2004, 03:56:28 PM
Dog Neutering: Specified "early puppyhood" and "danger of arthritis" - the answer I chose was "mid/late puppyhood" because if it was just the "early" stage it doesn't automatically confirm that they shouldn't be neutered till adulthood. They could be neutered during late puppyhood, for example, and still be prevented from developing arthritis.

Michaelangelo: It was about the unique quality of Covis(or something) enables differentiating Michaelangelo's authentic paintins with those that Covis drew. The answer I put was (D) where it stated Covis' unique technique is identifiable in all of Covis' works. Another choice that tempted me was (E), which said Michaelangelo's technique and Covis' technique are distinguishable, but just because they are distinguishable cannot confirm that some of Michaelangelo's works are Covis'. It could have been any other artists'.

Small car/Big Car: The one was about small car being more dangerous in accidents, but since small cars are easiler to manuever, it can avoid accidents more easily so in turn it is safer than big cars. I don't remember the exact answer, but it was something to the A is better than B, but B does something to offset that disadvantage, so in effect, B is better than A. What's your thoughts?
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Post by: gsn on October 03, 2004, 03:59:07 PM
For the small car/big car...I think I put something having to do with practical, and metals, and one being cheaper.
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Post by: fineprint on October 03, 2004, 04:01:10 PM
For the small car/big car...I think I put something having to do with practical, and metals, and one being cheaper.

Oh yes, this was my answer too. Something about plastic costing less than metals and being more practical.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 03, 2004, 04:07:27 PM
I think the card answer was e or d, i remember it being fairly far down.  can't remember exactly what the comparison was though.
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Post by: fingerscrossed on October 03, 2004, 04:07:40 PM
For the small car/big car, I think the answer was something about exercise.  I can't remember exactly, but it said the benefits of exercise outweighed the drawbacks.  

For the Michaelangelo one, I put that the hatch marks of Clovis and M were distinguishable.  If they weren't distinguishable, could they really have used that method to tell them apart?  (I can't remember the question really now.)  Clovis' hatch marks would not have to be in all of Clovis' works, though, for them to use this technique to tell them apart.  Maybe only a majority of his works used it.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 03, 2004, 04:13:03 PM
Yes, the small/big car it was exercise.  I think it was e, but not sure. 
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Post by: fineprint on October 03, 2004, 04:14:13 PM
For the small car/big car, I think the answer was something about exercise.  I can't remember exactly, but it said the benefits of exercise outweighed the drawbacks.  

For the Michaelangelo one, I put that the hatch marks of Clovis and M were distinguishable.  If they weren't distinguishable, could they really have used that method to tell them apart?  (I can't remember the question really now.)  Clovis' hatch marks would not have to be in all of Clovis' works, though, for them to use this technique to tell them apart.  Maybe only a majority of his works used it.

Oh man, I agree with your M answer. I have that one wrong! What was I thinking. :(
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Post by: foxnewssucks on October 03, 2004, 04:15:14 PM
Yes, the small/big car it was exercise.  I think it was e, but not sure. 

how did the exercise one go?
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Post by: jag2004 on October 03, 2004, 04:15:31 PM
For the small car/big car, I think the answer was something about exercise.  I can't remember exactly, but it said the benefits of exercise outweighed the drawbacks.  

For the Michaelangelo one, I put that the hatch marks of Clovis and M were distinguishable.  If they weren't distinguishable, could they really have used that method to tell them apart?  (I can't remember the question really now.)  Clovis' hatch marks would not have to be in all of Clovis' works, though, for them to use this technique to tell them apart.  Maybe only a majority of his works used it.

Yeah, I agreed with both of these.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 03, 2004, 04:20:50 PM
The car was like a big car is better in a wreck, but the small car is more manuverable, so a small car is better.  Excercise was something about exercise is good in large quantities, but exercise in large quantities can do x, so exercise in lower quantities is better.  It was something kind of like that I think.  x is better for this, but y is better for this, so y is better.  kinda like that i think, i felt pretty good about that one.
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Post by: gsn on October 03, 2004, 04:23:28 PM
Wasn't the car one, more like...a big car is safer in a wreck than a small car, but a small car is more manuvarable so it will get into less accidents.  And wasn't the plastic one, something like they were looking for the more practical material, and one was a little stronger than the other, but the other one cost less...I don't know, I was seeing martians at that point.
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Post by: BIG H2001 on October 03, 2004, 04:25:16 PM
What was the question stem for the large car/small car question?  That one is fading quickly.
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Post by: KatieManley01 on October 03, 2004, 04:46:30 PM
gsn, your phrasing of the question is right, my memory isn't that great.  I thought it was exercise bc I didn't see anything better.  But, perhaps I overlooked the other answer.  I thought exercise because it said one was good, but could be dangerous, so wasn't as good.  I can't remember, but sounded good at the time.  If you are curious about it you might want to make a new topic.  I think a lot of people aren't bothering to look at this anymore because it is so long:)
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Post by: fingerscrossed on October 03, 2004, 04:52:20 PM
I really don't remember exactly, but the exercise answer was something like if you are in X situation (don't remember what situation it was, maybe it was a heart attack), you need fat on your body to survive.  If you exercise, you'll have less fat on your body, but you are much less likely to get in X situation in the first place.  Both the car stimulus and the exercise answer had to do with health and what is the healthier/safer choice. 
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Post by: peteybetey on October 03, 2004, 05:00:20 PM
On the car one, I went with the plastic.  Logically, it was set up exactly in the same way as the car portion of the problem.

On the Michaelangelo/Covis one, I went with the option about the hatches making them distinguishable, and I thought it was right.  Honestly, though, fineprint's reasoning made a lot of sense to me, but their saying "in ALL of Covis' works" made me ultimately rule it out.

Really thinking about the dog neutering one, I can't really figure out a reason that the mid to late puppyhood option was wrong: It obviously provided a strong argument against what was being said, especially the way the argument was worded.  I think the choice about positives of neutering outweighing negatives might have some validity, but I don't think it was the best answer.
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Post by: jeriatric_ceasa on October 03, 2004, 05:03:44 PM
I really don't remember exactly, but the exercise answer was something like if you are in X situation (don't remember what situation it was, maybe it was a heart attack), you need fat on your body to survive.  If you exercise, you'll have less fat on your body, but you are much less likely to get in X situation in the first place.  Both the car stimulus and the exercise answer had to do with health and what is the healthier/safer choice. 

This is almost exactly as i remember it...and the answer that i think is right
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Post by: fingerscrossed on October 03, 2004, 05:19:47 PM
I would be willing to bet money that the neutering question's answer was that the author didn't consider the possibilities of mid to late puppyhood.  I did give the one about benefits of early neutering vs. arthritis a second look, but determined that the author gave too extreme of options with either early puppyhood or adulthood.
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Post by: peteybetey on October 03, 2004, 05:38:43 PM
I'm with you, though I'm not certain enough to bet.  It looked like there were actually three "good" answers - criticizing on grounds of the positives of neutering, another one someone cited earlier which I don't recall, and ours.  I think, or the basis of what was stated, drawing the conclusion that neutering during puppyhood was bad because of what could happen during early puppyhood was the biggest mistake.
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Post by: hocuspocus on October 03, 2004, 05:41:07 PM
I would be willing to bet money that the neutering question's answer was that the author didn't consider the possibilities of mid to late puppyhood.  I did give the one about benefits of early neutering vs. arthritis a second look, but determined that the author gave too extreme of options with either early puppyhood or adulthood.

I agree completely.
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 03, 2004, 05:43:29 PM
I would be willing to bet money that the neutering question's answer was that the author didn't consider the possibilities of mid to late puppyhood.  I did give the one about benefits of early neutering vs. arthritis a second look, but determined that the author gave too extreme of options with either early puppyhood or adulthood.

I agree completely.

I disagree.  Someone get trevor to say what he chose.
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Post by: fingerscrossed on October 03, 2004, 06:03:05 PM
Didn't the conclusion say that, "in order to prevent arthritis," one should only neuter in adulthood?  I think it did, and that's why the benefits of neutering didn't matter.  I thought it did ...
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Post by: victrola on October 03, 2004, 06:27:17 PM
i remember clearly that the argument went from arthritis to "so if you want your dog to be healthy" which is why i selected the one about neutering in mid to late puppyhood.
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Post by: lsatbummer on October 03, 2004, 08:43:02 PM
Dog neutering- 99% Mid to Late

Board one-I put something about corporations and not gov't, but if this wasn't the one where one's fault condemned them all, i got it wrong.

Definitely asteroid kicking up dust.

The economics one was either appeal to authority or didn't pick their own.  They are not completely bad authorities, whereas if they didn't pick, then it is bogus.

The revolution one was also tough.  I think it was can't retain power without settling differences, since the reason they were revolting was that they had differences with the existing gov't.  But it also could have been justifying their ideologies.  Was it if they don't settle their differences they won't justify ideologies?  Or just will have difficulty justifying ideology?  Which one does some Newtown PA middle-aged guy wiping potato chip grease on his pants and passing gas think? 

I thought the "unimpressed" one was for the modernity RC?

The dopamine one was tough too.  I think I put something about "thrill-seeking" adults aren't sensitive to dopamine.  Just because it is diffilcut to distinguish doesn't make it unlikely that the researchers could.  Maybe somebody can clear up the first line.  Impulsive vs. thrill seeking.
I guessed thrill-seeking had something to do with it.

I bombed the games section.  I usually do well on them.  I aced the June 2004 test, and have an outside chance of doing pretty well on this one.  I thought it was much harder than the last 10 I took.
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Post by: p on October 03, 2004, 08:46:08 PM
lsat bummer- for the dopamine one I'm pretty sure I picked the answer that had something to do with an inability to distinguish implusive behavior from thrill seeking behavior or something like that.
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Post by: jag2004 on October 03, 2004, 09:27:29 PM
The revolution one was also tough.  I think it was can't retain power without settling differences, since the reason they were revolting was that they had differences with the existing gov't.  But it also could have been justifying their ideologies.  Was it if they don't settle their differences they won't justify ideologies?  Or just will have difficulty justifying ideology?  Which one does some Newtown PA middle-aged guy wiping potato chip grease on his pants and passing gas think? 


I remember that answer choice verbatim, because I spent so long on that question.  It was:  "...they may not promulgate an ideology to justify their policies."
The other one you mentioned was "they must settle their differences in order to retain power."

I picked the former because there was nothing explicitly in the passage that said they couldn't disagree and retain power at the same time... whereas, it IS going to be very hard for them to come up with one single ideology that explains their policies if they all disagree.
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Post by: peteybetey on October 03, 2004, 09:54:46 PM
It seemed pretty easy, but to check:

Does anyone remember the question about dreams?  The one where the person making the claim said there were non-physiological factors involved and the question asked what could be inferred or something similar.  I put that it meant that there may be other factors involved besides the physical.
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Post by: ljm7 on October 03, 2004, 10:02:15 PM
For the neutering question I put that he didnt take into account that even dogs neutered in adulthood may acquire arthritis.  The stimulus said something along the lines of "In order to protect your dog from arthritis have it neutered in adulthood"

I took protecting to mean there was no chance the dog could get arthritis, and if it was the case that dogs neutered in adulthood could still get arthritis, simply not neutering them as puppies wouldn't be enough to protect against the condition.

For the economics one I remembered it saying that they were awarded with an insurance plan and therefore it must be the best since these people have it.  I thought one of the choices was something like "The argument didnt take into account the fact that they might not choose to use the awarded insurance plan," which is what I chose.  Does any else remember this option?
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Post by: slavster on October 04, 2004, 12:46:08 AM
Does anyone remember the question about pesticides?

Also, the question about the two different trees and what the two speakers disagree on....

For the pesticides, was the right answer:

1:) Humans have had time to adapt to natural pesticides or

2:) Synthetic and natural pesticides are similar in chemical structure...
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Post by: evil_betty on October 04, 2004, 01:04:42 AM
Does anyone remember the question about pesticides?

Also, the question about the two different trees and what the two speakers disagree on....

For the pesticides, was the right answer:

1:) Humans have had time to adapt to natural pesticides or

2:) Synthetic and natural pesticides are similar in chemical structure...

The correct answer is the first one you listed; the second answer actually strengthens the argument by claiming synthetic pesticides are roughly the same as natural ones, which have been tolerated by the body.  The first choice weakens the argument by claiming that we are safe from natural pesticides only because we have had time to adjust to the natural pesticides
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Post by: BIG H2001 on October 04, 2004, 06:21:15 AM
Does anyone remember the question about pesticides?

Also, the question about the two different trees and what the two speakers disagree on....

For the pesticides, was the right answer:

1:) Humans have had time to adapt to natural pesticides or

2:) Synthetic and natural pesticides are similar in chemical structure...

The correct answer is the first one you listed; the second answer actually strengthens the argument by claiming synthetic pesticides are roughly the same as natural ones, which have been tolerated by the body.  The first choice weakens the argument by claiming that we are safe from natural pesticides only because we have had time to adjust to the natural pesticides



Are you sure about this?  I thought the argument was basically saying that synthetic is different from natural because they are made by humans vs. what the plant produces naturally and therefore they differ in some way (i.e. chemical structure or makeup.)  If it were the case that they were similar in chemical structure and the human body could tolerate natural pesticides then it should tolerate synthetic as well.  I put answer 2 on that list.
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Post by: LSATGuru on October 04, 2004, 06:27:45 AM
This was a "Each of the following would WEAKEN the argument EXCEPT" question--I specifically remember it.

The credited response was about the chemical structure being virtually identical--this would strengthen/be neutral in that it suggests they wouldn't be harmed by the chemicals, but the argument is stating that the pesticides WOULD harm people.

The answer choice about "people getting used to the natural pesticides" is wrong because that weakens the argument.  If people are used to the natural pesticides, then it's much more likely than these "new" "synthetic" pesticides could, in fact, hurt people, because they're not used to consuming them as they are the organic pesticides.

Does anyone remember the question about pesticides?

Also, the question about the two different trees and what the two speakers disagree on....

For the pesticides, was the right answer:

1:) Humans have had time to adapt to natural pesticides or

2:) Synthetic and natural pesticides are similar in chemical structure...

The correct answer is the first one you listed; the second answer actually strengthens the argument by claiming synthetic pesticides are roughly the same as natural ones, which have been tolerated by the body.  The first choice weakens the argument by claiming that we are safe from natural pesticides only because we have had time to adjust to the natural pesticides



Are you sure about this?  I thought the argument was basically saying that synthetic is different from natural because they are made by humans vs. what the plant produces naturally and therefore they differ in some way (i.e. chemical structure or makeup.)  If it were the case that they were similar in chemical structure and the human body could tolerate natural pesticides then it should tolerate synthetic as well.  I put answer 2 on that list.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: LSATGuru on October 04, 2004, 06:39:54 AM
Dog neutering- 99% Mid to Late Dog neutering was an answer choice that referred to the possibility that neutering may cause complications in mid to late puppyhood, I agree.
Board one-I put something about corporations and not gov't, but if this wasn't the one where one's fault condemned them all, i got it wrong.

Definitely asteroid kicking up dust. I disagree; the question was "Each of the following would STRENGTHEN the argument EXCEPT:" So you were looking for something that would weaken the hypothesis that when the planet gets into a certain area of orbit relative to the sun that this causes dust to form and the sun to be blocked by the dust.  The correct answer choice, in my eyes, was that "Volcanoes erupting sent dust up into the atmosphere, thus blocking the sun" because it introduced a totally unrelated alternate cause for the dust raising into the atmosphere and blocking the sun, tearing up their hypothesis that it was caused by the earth's relative orbit.  This would definitely NOT strengthen the argument, whereas celestial rocks kicking up dust would coincide with the earth entering a certain area of orbit, possibly with a meteor belt nearby, and those hitting the earth and kicking up dust.  I think a lot of people got confused by the question stem, which was definitely a Strengthen EXCEPT. 


The economics one was either appeal to authority or didn't pick their own.  They are not completely bad authorities, whereas if they didn't pick, then it is bogus.  I think the economists one was almost certainly a bad appeal to authority.  First of all, the company providing the pension plan was GIVING out the award, which means that they could have just targeted the 25 best economists in the nation and given it to them for doing absolutely nothing but being who they are.  And because they use THIS plan may just be because it gives them the most money (not to mention they only had to get an award for it, and not work for a living to attain it).  The fact that the conclusion is that "since these people (Economists) who are obviously so great with money have this pension plan, that you should too," is clearly appealing to their "authority" as economists, and knowing about "money," and is thus an unjustified appeal to authority.

The revolution one was also tough.  I think it was can't retain power without settling differences, since the reason they were revolting was that they had differences with the existing gov't.  But it also could have been justifying their ideologies.  Was it if they don't settle their differences they won't justify ideologies?  Or just will have difficulty justifying ideology?  Which one does some Newtown PA middle-aged guy wiping potato chip grease on his pants and passing gas think? 

I thought the "unimpressed" one was for the modernity RC? Definitely agree.

The dopamine one was tough too.  I think I put something about "thrill-seeking" adults aren't sensitive to dopamine.  Just because it is diffilcut to distinguish doesn't make it unlikely that the researchers could.  Maybe somebody can clear up the first line.  Impulsive vs. thrill seeking. I think the correct choice was something about linking childhood to adulthood--maybe something about how adults who are thrill-seeking weren't necessarily children who behaved badly.  I dunno.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: Reason on October 04, 2004, 07:22:52 AM
for dust in the atmosphere question, wasn't there an answer choice that involved dust revolving around the sun and completely ignored the earth...i thought this one did not strengthen the argument
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Post by: gsn on October 04, 2004, 07:26:54 AM
For the dust in the atmosphere one the answer I'm pretty sure was the large asteroid hitting the earth and kicking up dust.  The question clearly states that the hypothesis is that there is dust floating around that when the earth passes through it, it creates a dust cloud in the atmosphere thus lowering the temperature.  It does not say that there are large rocks there that in turn kick up dust, it says the dust is already there.  The Volcano spewing dust into the atmosphere helped the arguement because it says that the volcano spewed dust and temperatures were lowered, thus it provides extra support for dust in the atmosphere being able to lower temperatures.  The large rocks kicking up dust mention nothing about its effect on the temperature.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 04, 2004, 07:57:54 AM
For dust in atmosphere, it was asteroids kick up dust. It was not volcanoes.  The volcano one lends support to the argument because it shows that dust in the atmosphere can cool the earth's temperature.  The asteroid dust one did not mention the dust cooling the earth's atmosphere.

asteroids kick up dust = correct.
volcanoes = incorrect.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: arpatel530 on October 04, 2004, 02:19:57 PM
That's what I put too.  Something about the fat that helped eye sight only developed in the milk in the last 4 weeks (after the 5 week baby would be born).


Hey not sure but I think the milk one, either everyone was not thinking like me or I read the stimilus wrong. From what I understood, the arguement said that P fat which was in high concentrations in breast milk feed to one set of babies showed decreased levels of chlorosterol/blood pressure or something along those lines in comparison to formulae feed. Than it said that this was also the case for babies who were born on regular due dates to babies born four weeks prematurely, and it said that P fat was produced at high quantities at that time.

So I was thinking along the lines that what if there is something other than P fat in the breat feed milk which is not in the formulae feed milk that causes the effect. And that this other thing is also present only after four weeks. ie explains that premature babies are still not getting this other factor..

Therefore to strengthen the arguement that P fat was responsible, I said A) Adults on high P fat showed greater reduction/effect than those that were not on it...

ANYONE ELSE HAVE THIS REASONING???

ps. first post so take it easy on the newbie
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 04, 2004, 02:22:45 PM
I think the stimulus said 5-6 weeks premature, not 4. This was an important clue because the answer choice said something about production of the milk 4 weeks prior to birth.  I don't know about your reasoning but I picked the answer that said something about milk being produced (or not? I can't remember) in the last 4 weeks of pregnancy.
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Post by: Your Mom on October 04, 2004, 02:25:41 PM
I don't think your answer really works.  The stimulus and the question both discussed development.  Adults are not developing, they are mature.  Sorry!
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Post by: rabidrhino on October 04, 2004, 02:26:46 PM
For the question dealing with Economists and their succesful pension plans, I put down that the flaw was that their employers could have chosen the plan for them. My friend thinks that the correct answer was that there is a flaw concerning appeal to an authority without justification. Please help....



I put the same answer as you, as for the appeal to authority, to what authority? it just seemed to broad in scope
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 04, 2004, 02:27:55 PM
This thread had made it to the 2nd page and I thought it was about to die.  I was kind of hoping it would die because it would decrease my stress level a little.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: rabidrhino on October 04, 2004, 02:42:15 PM
I'm trying to decide if I should cancel.  If anyone can remember lr problems they had difficulty with, please post them.  We can all figure out how we did to some degree!
the one about the baby and milk, wasnt there an answer choice for premature babies? If I am thinking of the right question that is the one that I chose. or 4 weeks or something
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: rabidrhino on October 04, 2004, 02:45:20 PM
How bout the one with cosmic dust clouds blocking the sun?

Chose large asteroid particle cause dust to form on earth periodically.  On this one we had to choose the one that would not support the argument.
so you think that the one about volcanoes was the wrong choice
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: fingerscrossed on October 04, 2004, 02:51:41 PM
For the baby's milk, I put the answer where the baby is born 5-6 weeks premature, I think.  

I picked the asteroid kicking up dust on earth.  The volcanoes one did actually support the argument because it commented on a temperature decrease on earth.

As far as I can tell, Robot, your reasoning kinda supports the "economists didn't choose the plan themselves" answer.  If these economists "who are so great with money have this plan, so you should too," is where the flaw in reasoning is, then it seems to me that it logically follows that if these economists who are so great with money didn't choose this plan, the conclusion fails.  

Are we just talking in circles at this point?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ljm7 on October 04, 2004, 02:54:05 PM
Does anyone remember the first 3 questions and answers they got for the architect game?
I messed up the game and am trying to get a feel of how I did so I know if I should possibly cancel.

The last two were:

What sites can G not be: 1,2,4
What is the maximum number of sites F could be: 4

does anyone remember the first 3?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: evil_betty on October 04, 2004, 03:11:54 PM
Robot Pimp,
I thought it was weaken, but same logic holds, the chemical structure statement strengthens the argument.



This was a "Each of the following would WEAKEN the argument EXCEPT" question--I specifically remember it.

The credited response was about the chemical structure being virtually identical--this would strengthen/be neutral in that it suggests they wouldn't be harmed by the chemicals, but the argument is stating that the pesticides WOULD harm people.

The answer choice about "people getting used to the natural pesticides" is wrong because that weakens the argument.  If people are used to the natural pesticides, then it's much more likely than these "new" "synthetic" pesticides could, in fact, hurt people, because they're not used to consuming them as they are the organic pesticides.

Does anyone remember the question about pesticides?

Also, the question about the two different trees and what the two speakers disagree on....

For the pesticides, was the right answer:

1:) Humans have had time to adapt to natural pesticides or

2:) Synthetic and natural pesticides are similar in chemical structure...

The correct answer is the first one you listed; the second answer actually strengthens the argument by claiming synthetic pesticides are roughly the same as natural ones, which have been tolerated by the body.  The first choice weakens the argument by claiming that we are safe from natural pesticides only because we have had time to adjust to the natural pesticides



Are you sure about this?  I thought the argument was basically saying that synthetic is different from natural because they are made by humans vs. what the plant produces naturally and therefore they differ in some way (i.e. chemical structure or makeup.)  If it were the case that they were similar in chemical structure and the human body could tolerate natural pesticides then it should tolerate synthetic as well.  I put answer 2 on that list.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: arc87 on October 04, 2004, 03:14:22 PM
remember the point at issue question regarding the 2 people taking about scientific theories?  I think I put soemthing in regards to whether or not scince issues were valid.

Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 04, 2004, 03:20:21 PM
Robot Pimp,
I thought it was weaken, but same logic holds, the chemical structure statement strengthens the argument.



This was a "Each of the following would WEAKEN the argument EXCEPT" question--I specifically remember it.

The credited response was about the chemical structure being virtually identical--this would strengthen/be neutral in that it suggests they wouldn't be harmed by the chemicals, but the argument is stating that the pesticides WOULD harm people.

The answer choice about "people getting used to the natural pesticides" is wrong because that weakens the argument.  If people are used to the natural pesticides, then it's much more likely than these "new" "synthetic" pesticides could, in fact, hurt people, because they're not used to consuming them as they are the organic pesticides.

Does anyone remember the question about pesticides?

Also, the question about the two different trees and what the two speakers disagree on....

For the pesticides, was the right answer:

1:) Humans have had time to adapt to natural pesticides or

2:) Synthetic and natural pesticides are similar in chemical structure...

The correct answer is the first one you listed; the second answer actually strengthens the argument by claiming synthetic pesticides are roughly the same as natural ones, which have been tolerated by the body.  The first choice weakens the argument by claiming that we are safe from natural pesticides only because we have had time to adjust to the natural pesticides



Are you sure about this?  I thought the argument was basically saying that synthetic is different from natural because they are made by humans vs. what the plant produces naturally and therefore they differ in some way (i.e. chemical structure or makeup.)  If it were the case that they were similar in chemical structure and the human body could tolerate natural pesticides then it should tolerate synthetic as well.  I put answer 2 on that list.


If the speaker says natural pesticides are > synthetic pesticides then the only thing that weakens that argument is something to suggest that in fact natural and synthetic are equal on some level.  By saying they have a similar makeup this suggests a similar property and thus a possibility that since one thing is not harmful somethimg similar to it in a key respect also might not be harmful.  The answer about adaptation over time only strengthens the argument because it provides further evidence for the postive role of natural pesticides and says nothing about synthetic pesticides.  How can it weaken the argument if it doesn't even address the synthetic pesticides.  This is why I chose the second choice.  It addressed a possible way for the synthetic pesticides to equal themselves to the natural pesticides.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 04, 2004, 03:22:22 PM
remember the point at issue question regarding the 2 people taking about scientific theories?  I think I put soemthing in regards to whether or not scince issues were valid.




Is that the one about coniferous and deciduous trees?  If so, I think I put that just because something is of different lineages doesn't mean that it can't be called by the same name or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: brunot99 on October 04, 2004, 04:22:59 PM
Going back to what fingerscrossed wrote. I think that I picked the volcano answer becasue it was the only one that did not apply directly to the question. wasn't the question asking which one did not support the argument. Also I selected the answer about babies not getting the protien until their final four weeks.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: fingerscrossed on October 04, 2004, 04:36:26 PM
It wasn't an exact match of the conditions in the stimulus (the asteroid/volcano problem), but it still contributed to the theory more than the asteroid/dust one did.  Yes, asteroid was mentioned in the stimulus (I think), but it didn't help contribute to the conclusion.  It didn't weaken it, but it didn't strengthen it either.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: peteybetey on October 04, 2004, 05:50:47 PM
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Does anyone remember the first 3 questions and answers they got for the architect game?
I messed up the game and am trying to get a feel of how I did so I know if I should possibly cancel.

The last two were:

What sites can G not be: 1,2,4
What is the maximum number of sites F could be: 4

does anyone remember the first 3?

The first one was the "Which is possible" question (like the first with most scenarios); the second was where must G go if there is only one 10th century one.  Not su8re of the third, sorry.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: evil_betty on October 04, 2004, 05:56:06 PM
If the natural pesticides were adapted to over time, that means they were slowly assimilated into the body over a certain amount of time, and that is why they are not that harmful to us now.  If the synthetic pesticides were released, there could be risks associated with it since we aren't given time to adjust to them ...
Then again, the correct answer shouldn't need so much justification or reaching, so I'm probably wrong

If the speaker says natural pesticides are > synthetic pesticides then the only thing that weakens that argument is something to suggest that in fact natural and synthetic are equal on some level.  By saying they have a similar makeup this suggests a similar property and thus a possibility that since one thing is not harmful somethimg similar to it in a key respect also might not be harmful.  The answer about adaptation over time only strengthens the argument because it provides further evidence for the postive role of natural pesticides and says nothing about synthetic pesticides.  How can it weaken the argument if it doesn't even address the synthetic pesticides.  This is why I chose the second choice.  It addressed a possible way for the synthetic pesticides to equal themselves to the natural pesticides.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: TrojanChispas on October 04, 2004, 06:16:55 PM
i think that the conclusion was that since eating natural pestcide was ok, eating synthetic pesticide was ok AND the stimulus was to weaken

if the synthetic pesticides are similar to natural pesticides then that actually strengthens the argument

but if we have had time to adapt to the natural pesticide then that weakens teh argument because we have not had time to adapt to the manmade pesticide
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: Guy Incognito on October 04, 2004, 06:25:31 PM
I think you are right.  Since the conclusion depended on how alike natural and synthetic pesticides were I went looking for an answer that showed a difference between them.  Anthing that showed a difference between the two would weaken the argument. 
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: annchris on October 04, 2004, 06:26:43 PM
i think that the conclusion was that since eating natural pestcide was ok, eating synthetic pesticide was ok AND the stimulus was to weaken

if the synthetic pesticides are similar to natural pesticides then that actually strengthens the argument

but if we have had time to adapt to the natural pesticide then that weakens teh argument because we have not had time to adapt to the manmade pesticide

I agree.

Does anyone remember the question about students who were merged in to one class (a mixture of different grades)?  The question was a resolve the paradox as to why the first time they tried mixing the grades, they didnt do well (older students were bored, younger students werent getting individual attention they needed) and then in recent years when they tried the same thing, they did well and the students thrived.  

I put for my answer something about them having new group projects or something I think. ???
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: foxnewssucks on October 04, 2004, 06:28:20 PM
i think that the conclusion was that since eating natural pestcide was ok, eating synthetic pesticide was ok AND the stimulus was to weaken

if the synthetic pesticides are similar to natural pesticides then that actually strengthens the argument

but if we have had time to adapt to the natural pesticide then that weakens teh argument because we have not had time to adapt to the manmade pesticide

I agree.

Does anyone remember the question about students who were merged in to one class (a mixture of different grades)?  The question was a resolve the paradox as to why the first time they tried mixing the grades, they didnt do well (older students were bored, younger students werent getting individual attention they needed) and then in recent years when they tried the same thing, they did well and the students thrived.  

I put for my answer something about them having new group projects or something I think. ???


was it something about them breaking up the children into differnt groups to work on differenty projects?  something like that is what I put.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 04, 2004, 06:31:31 PM
I think you are right.  Since the conclusion depended on how alike natural and synthetic pesticides were I went looking for an answer that showed a difference between them.  Anthing that showed a difference between the two would weaken the argument. 

I really thought the conclusion said the opposite of what you're saying.  I recall that the two were inherently different.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 04, 2004, 06:32:13 PM
i think that the conclusion was that since eating natural pestcide was ok, eating synthetic pesticide was ok AND the stimulus was to weaken

if the synthetic pesticides are similar to natural pesticides then that actually strengthens the argument

but if we have had time to adapt to the natural pesticide then that weakens teh argument because we have not had time to adapt to the manmade pesticide

I agree.

Does anyone remember the question about students who were merged in to one class (a mixture of different grades)?  The question was a resolve the paradox as to why the first time they tried mixing the grades, they didnt do well (older students were bored, younger students werent getting individual attention they needed) and then in recent years when they tried the same thing, they did well and the students thrived.  

I put for my answer something about them having new group projects or something I think. ???


was it something about them breaking up the children into differnt groups to work on differenty projects?  something like that is what I put.

Yeah that's what I put too.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: Guy Incognito on October 04, 2004, 06:35:20 PM
Yes, that answer said they had group projects that appealed to a range of age groups (which was the critical piece of information I think). 
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: TrojanChispas on October 04, 2004, 07:59:02 PM
ditto
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: annchris on October 04, 2004, 09:54:45 PM
remember the point at issue question regarding the 2 people taking about scientific theories?  I think I put soemthing in regards to whether or not scince issues were valid.




Is that the one about coniferous and deciduous trees?  If so, I think I put that just because something is of different lineages doesn't mean that it can't be called by the same name or something along those lines.

This post reminded me of a science LR question, I'm not sure, but I think it may have been regarding Einstein or some other scientists theory of something to do with the universe or space, and how another scientist had a better theory with regard to a particular aspect of the general theory. I think the question may have been a flaw question, stating something about now how we have replaced Einstein or Newton's theory with this second theory.  And I thought the flaw was that the second theory was specific only to certain aspects of the first theory.

Is this ringing a bell for anyone???  Boy this *&^% gets harder to remember as the days go by!!! :o
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: jag2004 on October 04, 2004, 10:00:38 PM
remember the point at issue question regarding the 2 people taking about scientific theories?  I think I put soemthing in regards to whether or not scince issues were valid.




Is that the one about coniferous and deciduous trees?  If so, I think I put that just because something is of different lineages doesn't mean that it can't be called by the same name or something along those lines.

This post reminded me of a science LR question, I'm not sure, but I think it may have been regarding Einstein or some other scientists theory of something to do with the universe or space, and how another scientist had a better theory with regard to a particular aspect of the general theory. I think the question may have been a flaw question, stating something about now how we have replaced Einstein or Newton's theory with this second theory.  And I thought the flaw was that the second theory was specific only to certain aspects of the first theory.

Is this ringing a bell for anyone???  Boy this *&^% gets harder to remember as the days go by!!! :o

Might you be remembering one about Euclidean vs. non-Euclidean geometry?  It was an inference question, and the answer was something like, "Not all scientists now think Euclidean geometry provides the most accurate picture of the universe"
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: annchris on October 04, 2004, 10:08:42 PM
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This post reminded me of a science LR question, I'm not sure, but I think it may have been regarding Einstein or some other scientists theory of something to do with the universe or space, and how another scientist had a better theory with regard to a particular aspect of the general theory. I think the question may have been a flaw question, stating something about now how we have replaced Einstein or Newton's theory with this second theory.  And I thought the flaw was that the second theory was specific only to certain aspects of the first theory.

Is this ringing a bell for anyone???  Boy this *&^% gets harder to remember as the days go by!!! :o
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Yes!  science... universe.... Euclid ....(Einstein/Euclid same difference to me!)  I am not certain I chose this answer however, I cannot recall what the other choices were.  I believe your answer was one of my final 2 contenders so hopefully I chose the correct one.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: LSATGuru on October 05, 2004, 06:16:55 AM
Yeah, I was wrong about the conclusion of this one.  I agree with you that it was something like "Since naturals don't hurt us, synthetics won't hurt us."  The question stem was, I'm sure of it, "Weaken Except," and you were looking for four wrong answer choices that showed the two were different (because the argument is saying they are similar) and one answer choice that says they're similar (because the argument would be corroborated in this case) and the obvious correct answer choice was the one about their molecular structures being similar.  I don't remember what answer choice this was, maybe "B"?  But I'm fairly sure about this question.

Robot Pimp,
I thought it was weaken, but same logic holds, the chemical structure statement strengthens the argument.



This was a "Each of the following would WEAKEN the argument EXCEPT" question--I specifically remember it.

The credited response was about the chemical structure being virtually identical--this would strengthen/be neutral in that it suggests they wouldn't be harmed by the chemicals, but the argument is stating that the pesticides WOULD harm people.

The answer choice about "people getting used to the natural pesticides" is wrong because that weakens the argument.  If people are used to the natural pesticides, then it's much more likely than these "new" "synthetic" pesticides could, in fact, hurt people, because they're not used to consuming them as they are the organic pesticides.

Does anyone remember the question about pesticides?

Also, the question about the two different trees and what the two speakers disagree on....

For the pesticides, was the right answer:

1:) Humans have had time to adapt to natural pesticides or

2:) Synthetic and natural pesticides are similar in chemical structure...

The correct answer is the first one you listed; the second answer actually strengthens the argument by claiming synthetic pesticides are roughly the same as natural ones, which have been tolerated by the body.  The first choice weakens the argument by claiming that we are safe from natural pesticides only because we have had time to adjust to the natural pesticides



Are you sure about this?  I thought the argument was basically saying that synthetic is different from natural because they are made by humans vs. what the plant produces naturally and therefore they differ in some way (i.e. chemical structure or makeup.)  If it were the case that they were similar in chemical structure and the human body could tolerate natural pesticides then it should tolerate synthetic as well.  I put answer 2 on that list.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: LSATGuru on October 05, 2004, 06:19:51 AM
I remember this one.  Yes, I think what can be concluded was something like "Most scientists no longer think that a Eucleidean theory holds the answer to solving the cosmos." Because it said that the new "non-Eucleidean" theory was now "generally accepted" as being better than the old "Eucleidean" theory.  I don't remember this as being a very hard "must be true."

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This post reminded me of a science LR question, I'm not sure, but I think it may have been regarding Einstein or some other scientists theory of something to do with the universe or space, and how another scientist had a better theory with regard to a particular aspect of the general theory. I think the question may have been a flaw question, stating something about now how we have replaced Einstein or Newton's theory with this second theory.  And I thought the flaw was that the second theory was specific only to certain aspects of the first theory.

Is this ringing a bell for anyone???  Boy this *&^% gets harder to remember as the days go by!!! :o
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Might you be remembering one about Euclidean vs. non-Euclidean geometry?  It was an inference question, and the answer was something like, "Not all scientists now think Euclidean geometry provides the most accurate picture of the universe"[/size][/size][/i]

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Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: TUtiger05 on October 05, 2004, 07:13:30 AM
Im pretty sure that there were five total spots...
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Post by: arpatel530 on October 05, 2004, 07:22:42 AM
F could only be in three spots.  One rule was that "G is a 10th century painting and he is in exactly 1 spot." If there are 4 total spots, that means that G must occupy one spot and F can fill up the other three. G could be in Spot 2, so your second answer wasn't right either :-p  Since G had to be 10th century, the third spot could be F or O as 10th century and then 1 and 4 could be 9th or 8th century, making it okay for G to be in 2 and 3, but not 1 and 4.

There was a couple of "If" questions, I believe, and a "could be true."  The key to this game was to know that G can't be in 1 or 4, both O and F could be in 1, 2, 3, or 4, and that if it's an 8th century it has to be 0, but there was no requirement that any of the 4 paintings be 8th century. 

Does anyone remember if the rules dictated that there must be an 8th, 9th, and 10th century painting present?

Does anyone remember the first 3 questions and answers they got for the architect game?
I messed up the game and am trying to get a feel of how I did so I know if I should possibly cancel.

The last two were:

What sites can G not be: 1,2,4
What is the maximum number of sites F could be: 4

does anyone remember the first 3?


no the question to what sites can G not be: are not 1,2 and 4

The last rule in the question read that painting in slot 3 had to be from a later period than the paintings in either number 1 OR number 4....the OR being the key word...
so therefore G from 10 can be in 1 OR 4 but the other has to be from a period earlier than painting number 3

Does that ring a bell to anyone??
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ljm7 on October 05, 2004, 07:31:56 AM
I think there's some sort of mix up.

The rules as I remember them were as follows:

5 sites of either F,G, or O

the second site is 9th century
if the site is 8th century it is 0
O can't be fourth or fifth
there is exactly one site that is G and it is 10th century
and the third spot is more recent than the first or fourth.

That as I see it would put the state as


F/O|F/O|G/F/O|F|G/F
8/9|_9_|__10_|9|9/10


Were there not 5 total spots?

Also this would be consistant with my logic that G cannot be 1,2, or 4th and also that there can be 4 F's.

Can anyone comment on this set and/or add what they remember of the first three questions?


F could only be in three spots.  One rule was that "G is a 10th century painting and he is in exactly 1 spot." If there are 4 total spots, that means that G must occupy one spot and F can fill up the other three. G could be in Spot 2, so your second answer wasn't right either :-p  Since G had to be 10th century, the third spot could be F or O as 10th century and then 1 and 4 could be 9th or 8th century, making it okay for G to be in 2 and 3, but not 1 and 4.

There was a couple of "If" questions, I believe, and a "could be true."  The key to this game was to know that G can't be in 1 or 4, both O and F could be in 1, 2, 3, or 4, and that if it's an 8th century it has to be 0, but there was no requirement that any of the 4 paintings be 8th century. 

Does anyone remember if the rules dictated that there must be an 8th, 9th, and 10th century painting present?

Does anyone remember the first 3 questions and answers they got for the architect game?
I messed up the game and am trying to get a feel of how I did so I know if I should possibly cancel.

The last two were:

What sites can G not be: 1,2,4
What is the maximum number of sites F could be: 4

does anyone remember the first 3?

Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: arpatel530 on October 05, 2004, 07:38:26 AM
I think there's some sort of mix up.

The rules as I remember them were as follows:

5 sites of either F,G, or O

the second site is 9th century
if the site is 8th century it is 0
O can't be fourth or fifth
there is exactly one site that is G and it is 10th century
and the third spot is more recent than the first or fourth.

That as I see it would put the state as


F/O|F/O|G/F/O|F|G/F
8/9|_9_|__10_|9|9/10


Were there not 5 total spots?

Also this would be consistant with my logic that G cannot be 1,2, or 4th and also that there can be 4 F's.

Can anyone comment on this set and/or add what they remember of the first three questions?


F could only be in three spots.  One rule was that "G is a 10th century painting and he is in exactly 1 spot." If there are 4 total spots, that means that G must occupy one spot and F can fill up the other three. G could be in Spot 2, so your second answer wasn't right either :-p  Since G had to be 10th century, the third spot could be F or O as 10th century and then 1 and 4 could be 9th or 8th century, making it okay for G to be in 2 and 3, but not 1 and 4.

There was a couple of "If" questions, I believe, and a "could be true."  The key to this game was to know that G can't be in 1 or 4, both O and F could be in 1, 2, 3, or 4, and that if it's an 8th century it has to be 0, but there was no requirement that any of the 4 paintings be 8th century. 

Does anyone remember if the rules dictated that there must be an 8th, 9th, and 10th century painting present?

Does anyone remember the first 3 questions and answers they got for the architect game?
I messed up the game and am trying to get a feel of how I did so I know if I should possibly cancel.

The last two were:

What sites can G not be: 1,2,4
What is the maximum number of sites F could be: 4

does anyone remember the first 3?



Yes you are correct about the rules, however what did the question exactly state about what sites could not be G?
For example say

1. G10 2. F/0 9 3. F/O 10 4. F 9   5. F 9/10

and how about

1. O 8  2. F/O 9  3. F/O 9   4. G 10   4. F 9

that way G can actually be 1 or 4

Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ljm7 on October 05, 2004, 07:48:16 AM
So basically you're saying that the or in the rule of "site 3 is more recent than site 1 or site 4" means it did not have to be both. I guess the question is did it say "more recent than either site one or site four"   or "more recent than site one and site four"  I took it to mean that it was more recent than both.  Does any remember how the interpreted this?
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Post by: superiorlobe on October 05, 2004, 07:50:40 AM
It had to be more recent than both 1 and 4.
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Post by: arpatel530 on October 05, 2004, 08:00:46 AM
So basically you're saying that the or in the rule of "site 3 is more recent than site 1 or site 4" means it did not have to be both. I guess the question is did it say "more recent than either site one or site four"   or "more recent than site one and site four"  I took it to mean that it was more recent than both.  Does any remember how the interpreted this?


It was DEFINATELY "OR" as i read the question the first time and remember writing the rule as and...but than reread the rule and it said site 3 had to be more recent than either site 1 or site 4
therefore meaning one or the other or both...

i DO NOT RECALL it saying either 1 AND 4

PS also look at how you wrote the rules in this post above.. you put 1 or 4
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: legallyliz on October 05, 2004, 10:13:43 AM
Yeah, I was wrong about the conclusion of this one.  I agree with you that it was something like "Since naturals don't hurt us, synthetics won't hurt us."  The question stem was, I'm sure of it, "Weaken Except," and you were looking for four wrong answer choices that showed the two were different (because the argument is saying they are similar) and one answer choice that says they're similar (because the argument would be corroborated in this case) and the obvious correct answer choice was the one about their molecular structures being similar.  I don't remember what answer choice this was, maybe "B"?  But I'm fairly sure about this question.

Robot Pimp,
I thought it was weaken, but same logic holds, the chemical structure statement strengthens the argument.



This was a "Each of the following would WEAKEN the argument EXCEPT" question--I specifically remember it.

The credited response was about the chemical structure being virtually identical--this would strengthen/be neutral in that it suggests they wouldn't be harmed by the chemicals, but the argument is stating that the pesticides WOULD harm people.

The answer choice about "people getting used to the natural pesticides" is wrong because that weakens the argument.  If people are used to the natural pesticides, then it's much more likely than these "new" "synthetic" pesticides could, in fact, hurt people, because they're not used to consuming them as they are the organic pesticides.

Does anyone remember the question about pesticides?

Also, the question about the two different trees and what the two speakers disagree on....

For the pesticides, was the right answer:

1:) Humans have had time to adapt to natural pesticides or

2:) Synthetic and natural pesticides are similar in chemical structure...

The correct answer is the first one you listed; the second answer actually strengthens the argument by claiming synthetic pesticides are roughly the same as natural ones, which have been tolerated by the body.  The first choice weakens the argument by claiming that we are safe from natural pesticides only because we have had time to adjust to the natural pesticides



Are you sure about this?  I thought the argument was basically saying that synthetic is different from natural because they are made by humans vs. what the plant produces naturally and therefore they differ in some way (i.e. chemical structure or makeup.)  If it were the case that they were similar in chemical structure and the human body could tolerate natural pesticides then it should tolerate synthetic as well.  I put answer 2 on that list.

Wasn't there an answer choice (I believe maybe the last choice) that said something like, the amount/potentcy of the synthetic pesticide is stronger than that of the natural one?  Wasn't this the right answer since you were looking for an answer choice that most WEAKEN the claim that natural and synthetic chemicals have the same effect on humans?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 05, 2004, 10:49:22 AM
Again, I'm pretty sure the conclusion was that they have different effects.  So, if that were the case, then to weaken you need to find an answer that shows they might have the same effects.  Thus, they have similar structures.

Either way, I'm almost positive of the answer, and I think it was "B."
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: arpatel530 on October 05, 2004, 12:33:10 PM
Again, I'm pretty sure the conclusion was that they have different effects.  So, if that were the case, then to weaken you need to find an answer that shows they might have the same effects.  Thus, they have similar structures.

Either way, I'm almost positive of the answer, and I think it was "B."


not sure if my scientific geekiness is coming out here but.....you can have chemicals which have the same structure and give you differing outcomes...it has to be the same structure as well as the SAME COMPOSITION of elements....ie Hydrogen, Oxygen, Clorine, etc..etc...
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 05, 2004, 01:00:05 PM
Quote from: arpatel530 link=topic=10146.msg155375#msg155375
It was DEFINATELY "OR" as i read the question the first time and remember writing the rule as and...but than reread the rule and it said site 3 had to be more recent than either site 1 or site 4
therefore meaning one or the other or both...

i DO NOT RECALL it saying either 1 AND 4

PS also look at how you wrote the rules in this post above.. you put 1 or 4


Question 14 was "If there is only one site from the 10th century, then where can F not be?"

This question would be impossible to answer if the rule was "3 has to be more recent than 1 OR 4".

This question is possible if the rule is "3 has to be more recent than 1 AND 4."

That should settle the matter.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: arpatel530 on October 05, 2004, 01:36:06 PM
[quote author=arpatel530 link=topic=10146.msg155375#msg155375
It was DEFINATELY "OR" as i read the question the first time and remember writing the rule as and...but than reread the rule and it said site 3 had to be more recent than either site 1 or site 4
therefore meaning one or the other or both...

i DO NOT RECALL it saying either 1 AND 4

PS also look at how you wrote the rules in this post above.. you put 1 or 4
Quote


Question 14 was "If there is only one site from the 10th century, then where can F not be?"

This question would be impossible to answer if the rule was "3 has to be more recent than 1 OR 4".

This question is possible if the rule is "3 has to be more recent than 1 AND 4."

That should settle the matter.

well what were the answer choices???

If
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 05, 2004, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: arpatel530 link=topic=10146.msg155375#msg155375
It was DEFINATELY "OR" as i read the question the first time and remember writing the rule as and...but than reread the rule and it said site 3 had to be more recent than either site 1 or site 4
therefore meaning one or the other or both...

i DO NOT RECALL it saying either 1 AND 4

PS also look at how you wrote the rules in this post above.. you put 1 or 4


Question 14 was "If there is only one site from the 10th century, then where can F not be?"

This question would be impossible to answer if the rule was "3 has to be more recent than 1 OR 4".

This question is possible if the rule is "3 has to be more recent than 1 AND 4."

That should settle the matter.

well what were the answer choices???

If


It doesn't matter what the answer choices were.  If there were only one 10 and 3 could be higher than either 1 or 4, then the 10 could go in either 3 or 5 and Fs could go in all the others.  This would mean that there would be no position that F could not occupy.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: ljm7 on October 05, 2004, 01:48:32 PM
SuperiorLobe, do you happen to remember question 15?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: superiorlobe on October 05, 2004, 02:03:29 PM
SuperiorLobe, do you happen to remember question 15?

No I don't.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 05, 2004, 02:22:05 PM
Again, I'm pretty sure the conclusion was that they have different effects.  So, if that were the case, then to weaken you need to find an answer that shows they might have the same effects.  Thus, they have similar structures.

Either way, I'm almost positive of the answer, and I think it was "B."


not sure if my scientific geekiness is coming out here but.....you can have chemicals which have the same structure and give you differing outcomes...it has to be the same structure as well as the SAME COMPOSITION of elements....ie Hydrogen, Oxygen, Clorine, etc..etc...

It doesn't matter what you know outside of the question. Brining in outside knowledge is a good way to get questions wrong.
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Post by: evil_betty on October 05, 2004, 08:37:55 PM
That is the damn truth, all that justification is irrelevant bull because it is never discussed in the stimulus

Again, I'm pretty sure the conclusion was that they have different effects.  So, if that were the case, then to weaken you need to find an answer that shows they might have the same effects.  Thus, they have similar structures.

Either way, I'm almost positive of the answer, and I think it was "B."


not sure if my scientific geekiness is coming out here but.....you can have chemicals which have the same structure and give you differing outcomes...it has to be the same structure as well as the SAME COMPOSITION of elements....ie Hydrogen, Oxygen, Clorine, etc..etc...

It doesn't matter what you know outside of the question. Brining in outside knowledge is a good way to get questions wrong.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: LSATGuru on October 06, 2004, 07:20:11 AM
I agree. I'm pretty sure it was that it had to be more recent than both 1 and 4.  I did have it as "5" slots, I mixed this game up with another game I did right before the Oct. 2 LSAT where there were 4 slots and 2 sets of variables, just ignore the comments I made about the paintings game.

It had to be more recent than both 1 and 4.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: LSATGuru on October 06, 2004, 07:36:56 AM
I put that they had newer/better technology in the classroom now. The other stuff doesn't make much sense.  The only one that addresses why it would function now NOW versus THEN is that we have something NOW that we're using that we didn't have THEN. But I wasn't 100% on this question.  The group projects with mixed ages answer choice was enticing, but it doesn't explain why younger kids would no longer be confused/lagging behind and the older kids would no longer be bored/frustrated if they were still working together.

i think that the conclusion was that since eating natural pestcide was ok, eating synthetic pesticide was ok AND the stimulus was to weaken

if the synthetic pesticides are similar to natural pesticides then that actually strengthens the argument

but if we have had time to adapt to the natural pesticide then that weakens teh argument because we have not had time to adapt to the manmade pesticide

I agree.

Does anyone remember the question about students who were merged in to one class (a mixture of different grades)?  The question was a resolve the paradox as to why the first time they tried mixing the grades, they didnt do well (older students were bored, younger students werent getting individual attention they needed) and then in recent years when they tried the same thing, they did well and the students thrived.  

I put for my answer something about them having new group projects or something I think. ???
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 06, 2004, 08:20:07 AM
I put that they had newer/better technology in the classroom now. The other stuff doesn't make much sense.  The only one that addresses why it would function now NOW versus THEN is that we have something NOW that we're using that we didn't have THEN. But I wasn't 100% on this question.  The group projects with mixed ages answer choice was enticing, but it doesn't explain why younger kids would no longer be confused/lagging behind and the older kids would no longer be bored/frustrated if they were still working together.

i think that the conclusion was that since eating natural pestcide was ok, eating synthetic pesticide was ok AND the stimulus was to weaken

if the synthetic pesticides are similar to natural pesticides then that actually strengthens the argument

but if we have had time to adapt to the natural pesticide then that weakens teh argument because we have not had time to adapt to the manmade pesticide

I agree.

Does anyone remember the question about students who were merged in to one class (a mixture of different grades)?  The question was a resolve the paradox as to why the first time they tried mixing the grades, they didnt do well (older students were bored, younger students werent getting individual attention they needed) and then in recent years when they tried the same thing, they did well and the students thrived.  

I put for my answer something about them having new group projects or something I think. ???

Actually I thought that the new focus on age-specific group projects was something new that we have now.  Whereas before, the children were in a group that did not allow them to perform up to their respective abilities, the introduction of new tasks within the classroom that accomodates both groups seems that seems to cater to all age groups would seemingly reduce the boredom or frustration or whatever happened.  I didn't think the answer choice said "mixed ages" I thought it said projects for children of different ages, i.e. older children working on harder projects than younger children.
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: LSATGuru on October 06, 2004, 08:23:50 AM
Yeah, I think I was rushed on that one, if most others are saying "Groups" is right it was probably groups.

Actually I thought that the new focus on age-specific group projects was something new that we have now.  Whereas before, the children were in a group that did not allow them to perform up to their respective abilities, the introduction of new tasks within the classroom that accomodates both groups seems that seems to cater to all age groups would seemingly reduce the boredom or frustration or whatever happened.  I didn't think the answer choice said "mixed ages" I thought it said projects for children of different ages, i.e. older children working on harder projects than younger children.
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Post by: Matthew_24_24 on October 06, 2004, 10:06:23 AM
Yep, work on group projects to resolve.

Matt
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: Crabhorn77 on October 06, 2004, 02:26:34 PM
Sorry if someone already posted this one but I didn't read all 16 pages. Anyone remember the assumption question regarding a broken AC that I believed was covered in dust or something like that?
Title: Re: Anyone that remembers lr problems they had problems with- let's have them!!
Post by: LSATGuru on October 06, 2004, 02:29:18 PM
I believe that may have been experimental.  What was your second section?  If it was Logical Reasoning then that was your experimental. I don't remember anything about an air conditioner.

Sorry if someone already posted this one but I didn't read all 16 pages. Anyone remember the assumption question regarding a broken AC that I believed was covered in dust or something like that?
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Post by: Crabhorn77 on October 06, 2004, 03:25:03 PM
Yeah, that could have easily been the expermental section because I had three logical reasoning. I thought it was a tough question and hadn't seen anyone mention it yet. I know it was question 15 in one of the sections. I'd be totally happy if it wasn't counted.
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Post by: Matthew_24_24 on October 06, 2004, 05:25:45 PM
My general impression from what people have said is that there were no a's.

I could be wrong.

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Post by: ericthered on October 06, 2004, 06:16:18 PM
wasnt the first list question in game 4 an a? or was it a b?
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Post by: Guy Incognito on October 06, 2004, 06:33:55 PM
I remember answering "B" to the first question.  I only remember b/c I laid out my diagram all pretty then looked at the answers to Q1 and saw:

xzyzx
zzxxy
xxyyz
(not the real answers of course)

I remember thinking "What is all this noise?" I laid mine out with nice spaces and headings (M T W TR F).  then saw this zxy goop.  Test day jitters.