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Title: Is this believable?
Post by: funnyfunny on November 27, 2004, 09:04:07 AM
I was searching users on lawschoolnumbers.com and I clicked on Can101 (last years application cycle)...This user had a 153 lsat and 3.5 gpa (I beleive) and got accepted into several tier 1 schools...Is this legit?
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: wrmusgro on November 27, 2004, 09:23:45 AM
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Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: wrmusgro on November 27, 2004, 09:27:25 AM
If they're a black woman its totally believable. Being an african american woman seems to be a meal ticket. Maybe I should tell adcoms that. It really sucks for everyone else. I mean I grew up poor in rural southwest Georgia, went to the Marines, then worked my way through college in only 3 years. But am I crazy enough to think that I'll even get a whiff from tier one schools? Heck no. I'm white, so even though I had a disadvantaged life, I've got no shot because I can't do Logic games to save my life. Oh well cheers to black women everywhere. (but I'm not bitter) Ha ha.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: casino on November 27, 2004, 09:31:47 AM
although it is far from the norm, it is possible for a slew of reasons.

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Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: TLFKARG on November 27, 2004, 01:18:17 PM
If they're a black woman its totally believable. Being an african american woman seems to be a meal ticket. Maybe I should tell adcoms that. It really sucks for everyone else. I mean I grew up poor in rural southwest Georgia, went to the Marines, then worked my way through college in only 3 years. But am I crazy enough to think that I'll even get a whiff from tier one schools? Heck no. I'm white, so even though I had a disadvantaged life, I've got no shot because I can't do Logic games to save my life. Oh well cheers to black women everywhere. (but I'm not bitter) Ha ha.
Apparently I was confused about my ethnic identification, because I could have sworn I checked "caucasian" and still got into a T14 with a 157/3.9.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: Koga on November 27, 2004, 03:41:34 PM
Apparently I was confused about my ethnic identification, because I could have sworn I checked "caucasian" and still got into a T14 with a 157/3.9.

Well, obviously they mistook that to mean that you are from the Caucus region.  Damn Kartvelian impersonator! ;)
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: vagrant on November 27, 2004, 10:02:43 PM
Anyone else perplexed that it is always black/african-american and white/caucasian?  caucasian and african-american are not at all from the same nomenclature system.

Sorry, random tangent.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: wrmusgro on November 28, 2004, 03:44:34 PM
If they're a black woman its totally believable. Being an african american woman seems to be a meal ticket. Maybe I should tell adcoms that. It really sucks for everyone else. I mean I grew up poor in rural southwest Georgia, went to the Marines, then worked my way through college in only 3 years. But am I crazy enough to think that I'll even get a whiff from tier one schools? Heck no. I'm white, so even though I had a disadvantaged life, I've got no shot because I can't do Logic games to save my life. Oh well cheers to black women everywhere. (but I'm not bitter) Ha ha.

Well thanks for your "not-so-bitter" response but I think people are giving too much credit to AA.  I truly do not think it increases ones chances of law school admissions that much.  I am a black woman with lots of ECs, Excellent LORs, undergraduate research, Americorps VISTA service in addition to other community service, Honors College student, receipient of multiple scholarships, Big Brothers and Big Sisters, several leadership positions as an undergraduate,first in the family to attend college, economically disadvantaged etc., etc., and I have all ready been waitlisted at a T.T.T. in my own hometown. EDIT: So please do not act as if being a black woman is some sort of "golden ticket."  This is really getting old.

Well you do have to have somewhat decent stats too. And yes, I do think A.A. is outdated and should be done away with. Personaly I could care less if you got waitlisted at a T.T.T. it happens to a lot of people. Get over it. Cheers.

Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: funnyfunny on November 29, 2004, 07:21:37 AM
If they're a black woman its totally believable. Being an african american woman seems to be a meal ticket. Maybe I should tell adcoms that. It really sucks for everyone else. I mean I grew up poor in rural southwest Georgia, went to the Marines, then worked my way through college in only 3 years. But am I crazy enough to think that I'll even get a whiff from tier one schools? Heck no. I'm white, so even though I had a disadvantaged life, I've got no shot because I can't do Logic games to save my life. Oh well cheers to black women everywhere. (but I'm not bitter) Ha ha.

Well thanks for your "not-so-bitter" response but I think people are giving too much credit to AA.  I truly do not think it increases ones chances of law school admissions that much.  I am a black woman with lots of ECs, Excellent LORs, undergraduate research, Americorps VISTA service in addition to other community service, Honors College student, receipient of multiple scholarships, Big Brothers and Big Sisters, several leadership positions as an undergraduate,first in the family to attend college, economically disadvantaged etc., etc., and I have all ready been waitlisted at a T.T.T. in my own hometown. EDIT: So please do not act as if being a black woman is some sort of "golden ticket."  This is really getting old.

Well you do have to have somewhat decent stats too. And yes, I do think A.A. is outdated and should be done away with. Personaly I could care less if you got waitlisted at a T.T.T. it happens to a lot of people. Get over it. Cheers.


It's very contradictory of you to say that you could care less when a "black woman" gets waitlisted at a TTT and say "it happens to a lot of people," yet when another black woman gets admitted to a top tier school you attribute it to affirmative action...
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: rk83 on December 06, 2004, 08:59:46 PM
Not to say that they cannot work hard and have excellent credentials, but minorities, black, indian, spanish, or otherwise, generally DO get favortism in the admissions process and are admitted with lower scores
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 07, 2004, 03:52:48 PM
julie believe!
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: Jumboshrimps on December 07, 2004, 04:12:25 PM
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I truly do not think it increases ones chances of law school admissions that much. 

It doesn't take a statistician to figure out that this assertion is flatly wrong. Hat's off to you for your community involvement, etc. I've got some of those on my app too. The sad truth is, the admissions process gives much more weight to your race than it does to ANY other part of your application.

As an aside, I find the term "African American" to be incredibly offensive. We are Americans, for better or worse. My ancestors come from Germany. I am no more German than a black American is African.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: trogdor on December 07, 2004, 04:27:19 PM
i think a.a. should still be utilized for undergraduate admissions, but i think professional programs should admit on a merit basis. 
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: Matthew_24_24 on December 10, 2004, 06:59:16 AM
Why? Even crack dealers need lawyers...leave the real law to white people.

Haha ez

matt
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: burghblast on December 23, 2004, 10:52:34 PM
If they're a black woman its totally believable. Being an african american woman seems to be a meal ticket. Maybe I should tell adcoms that. It really sucks for everyone else. I mean I grew up poor in rural southwest Georgia, went to the Marines, then worked my way through college in only 3 years. But am I crazy enough to think that I'll even get a whiff from tier one schools? Heck no. I'm white, so even though I had a disadvantaged life, I've got no shot because I can't do Logic games to save my life. Oh well cheers to black women everywhere. (but I'm not bitter) Ha ha.

There are a million reasons besides race/gender that people get accepted to law school.  LSAT and GPA are the two *most important* factors.  But that doesn't mean that you necessarily NEED one or both of them to get into a good school.  If your parents were alumni, especially if they donate large amounts of money to the school - you're in.  If you have 10 years of incredible work experience and have many tangible accomplishments to show for it - you're in.  If you can write like Bob Woodward - you're in.  The bottom line is that people on this board tend to fixate on LSAT and GPA as the ONLY factors for law school admission, when in fact they are just the most significant.  Granted the odds of getting in with bad numbers is significantly lower, but there are dozens and dozens of other factors that law schools do consider.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: eeniemeeniemineymoe on December 24, 2004, 12:49:08 AM
i think a.a. should still be utilized for undergraduate admissions, but i think professional programs should admit on a merit basis. 

i agree.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: Sportseditor23 on December 25, 2004, 01:17:12 AM
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  I truly do not think it increases ones chances of law school admissions that much. 
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Wrong...but that doesn't mean I am against AA. To say it doesn't increase it that much is a farce... go check LSN, it's obvious there is a difference; that's not to take away from your accomplishments, however. Good luck.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: WoeIsMe on December 26, 2004, 08:16:18 PM
I was searching users on lawschoolnumbers.com and I clicked on Can101 (last years application cycle)...This user had a 153 lsat and 3.5 gpa (I beleive) and got accepted into several tier 1 schools...Is this legit?

I'm not sure if this is the same person, but after the astonishment died down I reread and found out she was also blind.  Talk about feeling like an ass...
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: maricutie on December 29, 2004, 08:42:08 AM
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  I truly do not think it increases ones chances of law school admissions that much. 
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Wrong...but that doesn't mean I am against AA. To say it doesn't increase it that much is a farce... go check LSN, it's obvious there is a difference; that's not to take away from your accomplishments, however. Good luck.

I agree, although the perception of how much it really matters seems to differ even amongst minorities. I, for example, only assumed that it meant my application would get throughly read and discussed instead of being tossed automatically into the reject pile. Once there, it would be up to the applicant to dazzle them with ps, LORs, WE, etc. But then you have URMs with 3.0-something gpas and LSATs in the 150s who think they have a decent shot at NYU or columbia.  ???

I still think it really only guarantees a 'read,' but then again someone got into yale last year with a 3.1/165.

Short answer: I have no idea.   ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: cascagrossa on December 29, 2004, 08:44:50 AM
I was searching users on lawschoolnumbers.com and I clicked on Can101 (last years application cycle)...This user had a 153 lsat and 3.5 gpa (I beleive) and got accepted into several tier 1 schools...Is this legit?

I'm not sure if this is the same person, but after the astonishment died down I reread and found out she was also blind.  Talk about feeling like an ass...

how the hell can a blind person go to law school?  are they going to convert every casebook to braille?
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: russian_concussion on December 29, 2004, 08:49:42 AM
Not really contributing to the discussion but I wanted to quote a friend of mine: "Man, if I was a handicapped black woman, I'd RULE THE WORLD!"
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: maricutie on December 29, 2004, 08:51:42 AM
I was searching users on lawschoolnumbers.com and I clicked on Can101 (last years application cycle)...This user had a 153 lsat and 3.5 gpa (I beleive) and got accepted into several tier 1 schools...Is this legit?

I'm not sure if this is the same person, but after the astonishment died down I reread and found out she was also blind.  Talk about feeling like an ass...

how the hell can a blind person go to law school?  are they going to convert every casebook to braille?

Depends on 'how blind' they are, I would assume. If completely blind, then yeah, same question. However, if they can see something, then computer screens can magnify any cases. It would just take forever to do, though.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: TLFKARG on January 01, 2005, 06:57:45 PM
I was searching users on lawschoolnumbers.com and I clicked on Can101 (last years application cycle)...This user had a 153 lsat and 3.5 gpa (I beleive) and got accepted into several tier 1 schools...Is this legit?

I'm not sure if this is the same person, but after the astonishment died down I reread and found out she was also blind.  Talk about feeling like an ass...

how the hell can a blind person go to law school?  are they going to convert every casebook to braille?

Depends on 'how blind' they are, I would assume. If completely blind, then yeah, same question. However, if they can see something, then computer screens can magnify any cases. It would just take forever to do, though.

We have a woman in our class who is visually impaired.  She has special computer programs that contain our reading assignments and enlarge all the characters in her notes so that she can see them by leaning close to the computer screen.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: Matokah on January 02, 2005, 03:07:32 AM
Yeah, one of the grad students in my Classics department is blind/visually impaired.  In order to grade papers/read for class, he puts his books/papers under a magnifier that shows about 2-4 works in each frame.  I can't imagine having to deal with that.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 02, 2005, 01:01:49 PM
If they're a black woman its totally believable. Being an african american woman seems to be a meal ticket. Maybe I should tell adcoms that. It really sucks for everyone else. I mean I grew up poor in rural southwest Georgia, went to the Marines, then worked my way through college in only 3 years. But am I crazy enough to think that I'll even get a whiff from tier one schools? Heck no. I'm white, so even though I had a disadvantaged life, I've got no shot because I can't do Logic games to save my life. Oh well cheers to black women everywhere. (but I'm not bitter) Ha ha.

Yea, sure you're not bitter.  This is the one time I find myself in agreement with Slobe.  It doesn't bother me either.

You know what you all are missing though?  That this entry was most likely fake.  I can't believe ya'll trust LSN.  People plant entries on the site all the time -- white men who are angry about AA.  Noboyd going to get into T14 with a 153, Period...  Unless they were undersecretary of the interior or something... or had parents with the last name "Bush."

People plant entries on LSN so white men will get all excited about how badly they're being discriminated against, and ya'll are falling right into it -- ya CHUMPS! 
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: TLFKARG on January 02, 2005, 02:44:45 PM
If they're a black woman its totally believable. Being an african american woman seems to be a meal ticket. Maybe I should tell adcoms that. It really sucks for everyone else. I mean I grew up poor in rural southwest Georgia, went to the Marines, then worked my way through college in only 3 years. But am I crazy enough to think that I'll even get a whiff from tier one schools? Heck no. I'm white, so even though I had a disadvantaged life, I've got no shot because I can't do Logic games to save my life. Oh well cheers to black women everywhere. (but I'm not bitter) Ha ha.

Yea, sure you're not bitter.  This is the one time I find myself in agreement with Slobe.  It doesn't bother me either.

You know what you all are missing though?  That this entry was most likely fake.  I can't believe ya'll trust LSN.  People plant entries on the site all the time -- white men who are angry about AA.  Noboyd going to get into T14 with a 153, Period...  Unless they were undersecretary of the interior or something... or had parents with the last name "Bush."

People plant entries on LSN so white men will get all excited about how badly they're being discriminated against, and ya'll are falling right into it -- ya CHUMPS! 

The post is unbelievable because of the timing, NOT because of the numbers.  I have classmates who have gotten into top schools with scores in the low 150's.  It's not common, but it happens.  We cannot assume that LSN is 100% valid, but we also shouldn't discount every instnace of an applicant with scores in the 150's getting into even top 5 schools.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: wrmusgro on January 02, 2005, 04:39:54 PM
If they're a black woman its totally believable. Being an african american woman seems to be a meal ticket. Maybe I should tell adcoms that. It really sucks for everyone else. I mean I grew up poor in rural southwest Georgia, went to the Marines, then worked my way through college in only 3 years. But am I crazy enough to think that I'll even get a whiff from tier one schools? Heck no. I'm white, so even though I had a disadvantaged life, I've got no shot because I can't do Logic games to save my life. Oh well cheers to black women everywhere. (but I'm not bitter) Ha ha.

Yea, sure you're not bitter.  This is the one time I find myself in agreement with Slobe.  It doesn't bother me either.

You know what you all are missing though?  That this entry was most likely fake.  I can't believe ya'll trust LSN.  People plant entries on the site all the time -- white men who are angry about AA.  Noboyd going to get into T14 with a 153, Period...  Unless they were undersecretary of the interior or something... or had parents with the last name "Bush."

People plant entries on LSN so white men will get all excited about how badly they're being discriminated against, and ya'll are falling right into it -- ya CHUMPS! 

It seems that you may be bitter as well. But its alright. And before I state anymore, just let me state that I'M NOT TRYING TO OFFEND ANYONE, with my following comments...but... There are a lot of fake entries on lawschoolnumbers, and some might argue on this board as well.  But....you can't deny that there are a rather large number of minority applicants who are accepted to schools with lower than standard numbers compared to their non-URM peers. Take the original poster of this subject, (FunnyFunny)...she was accepted to Rutgers with a 149 on her LSAT. (I don't know the medians or the 25/75 LSAT for Rutgers off the top of my head, but I'm fairly sure that they're well above a 149) Normally, when you score below a 150, its the kiss of death. Now do you think her minority status affected her chances of gaining admission? (no offense to any minorities out there, but facts are facts) Anyhoo....this A.A. subject is soooo 2004. ;D
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on January 02, 2005, 05:17:16 PM
The post is unbelievable because of the timing, NOT because of the numbers.  I have classmates who have gotten into top schools with scores in the low 150's.  It's not common, but it happens.  We cannot assume that LSN is 100% valid, but we also shouldn't discount every instnace of an applicant with scores in the 150's getting into even top 5 schools.

Ok, you might have classmates who get in with a 158, but probably not as many with a 153.  On the Rutgers comment, I think it's worth stating that Rutgers has a huge spread in 25/75 LSATs.  I think the former number is like 154 -- so 25% of people have under a 154... Fairly obvious that if you have significant credentials otherwise, Rutgers Newark is willing to put a bad LSAT aside.

About me being bitter -- well, I never said I wasn't bitter.  But what I'm bitter about is the tendency to not attack the system, but the people, the URM themselves.  I've seen some pretty blatent racism on these boards -- people going on and on about the "blacks" who they think are stealing a place in their law school.  And they also fall into a habit, I think, of thinking that every black person who is successful is there b/c of Affirmative Action.  This really bothers me.  A couple of my mentors have been older black men, men who had to fight to be successes despite their skin color, not b/c of it.  One of the men was also somewhat of a mentor to Cornel West -- another Black Man who's success had nothing to do with AA.

I have a good friend who's always complaining about AA, and everytime he sees a successful woman or black person he chalks it up to AA.  It really bugs me, like he refuses to admit that a woman or black person is as intelligent as he.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: wrmusgro on January 02, 2005, 05:24:19 PM
The post is unbelievable because of the timing, NOT because of the numbers.  I have classmates who have gotten into top schools with scores in the low 150's.  It's not common, but it happens.  We cannot assume that LSN is 100% valid, but we also shouldn't discount every instnace of an applicant with scores in the 150's getting into even top 5 schools.

Ok, you might have classmates who get in with a 158, but probably not as many with a 153.  On the Rutgers comment, I think it's worth stating that Rutgers has a huge spread in 25/75 LSATs.  I think the former number is like 154 -- so 25% of people have under a 154... Fairly obvious that if you have significant credentials otherwise, Rutgers Newark is willing to put a bad LSAT aside.

About me being bitter -- well, I never said I wasn't bitter.  But what I'm bitter about is the tendency to not attack the system, but the people, the URM themselves.  I've seen some pretty blatent racism on these boards -- people going on and on about the "blacks" who they think are stealing a place in their law school.  And they also fall into a habit, I think, of thinking that every black person who is successful is there b/c of Affirmative Action.  This really bothers me.  A couple of my mentors have been older black men, men who had to fight to be successes despite their skin color, not b/c of it.  One of the men was also somewhat of a mentor to Cornel West -- another Black Man who's success had nothing to do with AA.

I have a good friend who's always complaining about AA, and everytime he sees a successful woman or black person he chalks it up to AA.  It really bugs me, like he refuses to admit that a woman or black person is as intelligent as he.


You're right it is the system's fault, and its such a fine line to walk too. So many debates, so many rights and so many wrongs with A.A. But, it is the best thing we have right now, it just  seems that its not always fair...for anyone. But anyway...this is soooo 2004.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: vitaminwater on February 01, 2005, 10:08:26 PM
i dont care if i am a minority or not. any way to get into law school is good. if i have to give someone 2 bj's i would! ha ha hahahaha
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: SleepyGuyYawn on February 02, 2005, 12:53:05 AM
Please, please, please stop bringing back threads from the dead.  This one is a month old.  Why do you expect that people will want to refresh themselves on 30 some posts from a month or more ago so they can respond?

If you're bored find something else to talk about.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: mcm on February 03, 2005, 07:26:07 PM
Not really contributing to the discussion but I wanted to quote a friend of mine: "Man, if I was a handicapped black woman, I'd RULE THE WORLD!"

I'm looking around...and I can't help noticing the striking lack of handicapped black women in world leadership positions...

Just saying.

Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: TLFKARG on February 03, 2005, 07:28:13 PM
Not really contributing to the discussion but I wanted to quote a friend of mine: "Man, if I was a handicapped black woman, I'd RULE THE WORLD!"

I'm looking around...and I can't help noticing the striking lack of handicapped black women in world leadership positions...

Just saying.



Your undiluted arrogance is astounding.  HTH.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: boogie77 on February 09, 2005, 11:14:29 AM
Being a rich white man is your meal ticket! Go. G.W. Bush!

If they're a black woman its totally believable. Being an african american woman seems to be a meal ticket. Maybe I should tell adcoms that. It really sucks for everyone else. I mean I grew up poor in rural southwest Georgia, went to the Marines, then worked my way through college in only 3 years. But am I crazy enough to think that I'll even get a whiff from tier one schools? Heck no. I'm white, so even though I had a disadvantaged life, I've got no shot because I can't do Logic games to save my life. Oh well cheers to black women everywhere. (but I'm not bitter) Ha ha.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: Ninja on February 09, 2005, 03:26:25 PM
So what happens if you're black and from England.  If you check a box that says African-American, you'd be lying.
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: TBoneUCLA on February 12, 2005, 12:19:51 PM
okay- to all of you on this board....

two days ago i found a girl on LSN with a 2.9 GPA and a 155 LSAT. she was applying to 8 schools only. those schools being harvard, stanford, columbia, georgetown, boalt, ucla, usc, and uc hastings.

this girl happened to be african american. she had an mba and some reletivly unique work experience. that being said i wrote to her saying she was being unrealistic with her choices and if she wanted to go to law school at all she still had some time to apply to schools that might actually gain her admission.

people on LSD have been really pissy with me about doing this. saying that i "don't know her" and "don't know what she has gone through"   so?  even if she has had some horrible luck in her life does that mean that with those numbers she doesn't need to apply to back up schools?

i am  very liberal and very much for AA in law school. i think it does make the environment richer and ontop of that i think some people have had some tough luck and can do well with a little boost. a LITTLE boost. i don't believe middle of the road scores across the board can ever get you into a T14, unless you are an out of this world applicant aside from them? does anyone agree with me here AT ALL???

just a little concerned people here at LSD are a little too trigger happy and anxious to jump onto some ugly "racist wagon"....i think i was being helpful to an all too hopefull applicant
Title: Re: Is this believable?
Post by: odes on February 12, 2005, 12:35:38 PM
  I think it is pointless to argue the reasons behind an applicant getting accepted into a "T14" school with low numbers. We are not on the ad comm, don't know the applicant, and have no idea what they put into their personal statement. With that being said I'm a white male who is going to go to a top Tier 2 school and do not regret the fact that URMs with lower numbers than mine got into higher schools. I beleive being an African American woman in the United States is not easy and those individuals are faced with unique disadvantages due to the intersection of discrimination between their race and gender. If you add "poor" or "low income" to this label and "lesbian" to this label the likelihood of discrimination is increased further. Thus, all of you  out there who are bitter about the fact that law schools recognize oppression and discrimination in the status quo need to open your eyes and realize that these people have a much more difficult time at getting to the point in which they can apply to law school than the majority. Therefore, we must praise the law schools for taking diversity into consideration in a country that seems to quickly forget how around forty years ago an African American woman was not even allowed in the same park and other public places as the majority. Give up the bitterness and recognize that racism still occurs within institutions and society and rethink your assumptions before posting a response. Any of your arguments against "affirmative action" in the law school admission process will never come to terms with the intersection of oppression that all African American females must go through. On a side note Intersectionality is a really cool realm in academia and relates a lot to the study of law. Hopefully when I go to law school there will be classes on this but who knows. Well that was my opinion..take care everyone and good luck to all of you applying this year.