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Studying for the LSAT / Re: 25 Hour Private Tutor vs. 80 Hour Class
« on: May 18, 2008, 02:43:18 AM »
I have wondered the very same thing.  Anyone?  EarlCat?  Jeffort?

I wish I knew, EarlCat.

If I were in TN or in Southern CA, I'd probably just see if you or Jeffort could lend me a hand.  (Can't do the remote-thing; I need in-person tuition.)


HB Academics won't answer questions about their company, its methods or its instructors.  I continue to ask very basic questions and the replies I get tell me nothing more than to write the diagnostic first, and then information about its instructors (and the company, presumably) will follow

Most preparation/tutoring companies usually fall all over themselves trying to sell themselves, yet HB Academics won't give me basic answers to basic questions.  I don't understand their marketing strategy at all.

They are asking me to take a diagnostic at home and send it to them.  The provision of information about their instructor(s) should not be contingent on taking the diagnostic, though.  That's the part that I don't get.  It's very odd.

I asked them a few pointed questions (e.g., what kind of credentials does your instructor in my city have, how did s/he do on his/her LSAT, etc.) and all I got in reply was a request to take a diagnostic and then they would discuss that kind of information with me after the diagnostic.

It seemed like a strange reply to me.  I mean, if their instructor here in my city has credentials that are worth publicizing, you would think that they would tell me something about him/her in a bid to interest me in their program.  It just seems like an odd way of dealing with/attracting a potential customer.


Are these people any good?  I can't find anything about them anywhere!

I go to Kansas, people say the oil and gas program is great. Many Denver firms do OCI here.

Yup, no problem with the quality of the school.  I would suggest that Kansas should be ranked much higher than it is by USN&WR, but what do I know?   ;D 

I do worry about how far the degree will travel out of Kansas, though.  I had Kansas grads and professors from other law schools warn me about that.

If you couldn't get into UT/SMU/UH - how on earth do you think you're going to get into VE, BB, FJ?

It's not that I cannot get into any of these schools (heck, I got into a T14 two years ago -- see my above-found post), but that:

  • SMU won't grant me any advance standing at all
  • UH might grant me advance standing after repeating the first-year curriculum (not something I am keen to do after having had to start this at the T14 I attended a couple of years ago)
, and
  • it is uncertain what advance standing arrangement I might be able to reach with UT,

so I'm just trying to find out a little more about the Tulsas, Denvers, etc. of this world.  Reputation, while still important, may matter a little less to someone in my position because I already have a couple of years of good employment experience at a recognized firm and an E&P company under my belt.  Not that I am denying reputation matters, of course; I just hope it will matter a little less in my case.  In any event, I hope to go directly to an in-house role at an E&P company in the United States and wish to avoid returning to private practice altogether if I can do so.

Thank you for your interest all the same!


That's sort of what people say about sports law or any other specific area.  If you want to go into something like that, I still think your best bet is going to a T25 school.  Outside the T25, I do think specializations and clinics and certificate programs and USNWR rankings for specializations matters.

Yeah, I already did that.  I'm a lawyer from another common law country and I started a two-year JD with advance standing at a T14 a couple of years ago.  Despite my oil and gas background and after doing a pile of on-campus interviews, the only summer job offer I got was to handle FERC work at biglaw in DC.  Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course, but it is domestic US midstream regulatory work and not the international upstream work I had been doing before.  I wanted to continue along with my international work, so I returned to my home country and have had excellent employment ever since then. 

The thing is, I am now in-house at an exploration and production company a long way from home, and I would like to see if I can work my way into a similar role in the United States.  (The job I have is rather good, but I miss North America a great deal.)  If I got into UT in a two-year program (i.e., with advance standing) and I didn't have to repeat uselessly the first-year curriculum, I'd be there in a second.  Now, that is far from guaranteed to happen, so I'd like to know more about the more regional schools that offer a lot of oil and gas coursework.  Denver, Tulsa, Houston, and Oklahoma all fit the bill for the purposes of this inquiry.  There may be others as well.  Perhaps someone here can offer some insight into the smaller schools.

Yale, then Harvard and Stanford.  Oil and Gas practice is no different than any other practice.  Big Texas (and NY, Chi, Cali) firms handle the transactional work and Big DC firms handle a lot of the regulatory work. 

I am inclined to disagree.  Oil and gas firms/companies like industry-specific coursework if you are really going to be an oil and gas specialist.  It does make a difference.

Thank you very much for your replies, though!

What firms do oil and gas work?

Of names with which you might be familiar, Baker Botts, Vinson & Elkins, and Fulbright & Jaworski amongst others.  Of course, these firms have practice groups with other industry focuses, but oil and gas is very big at all three.  Industry-specific knowledge and understanding is important in a business like oil and gas production, and most corporate lawyers don't know too much about the industry and its particular concerns.

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