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Cornell vs. W&L ($$$)

Re: Cornell vs. W&L ($$$)
« Reply #80 on: March 14, 2007, 05:22:33 AM »
Wow.  This has become a worthless thread.  At this point, everyone is just talking past one another. 

Leshy, thank you for your perspective.  I think the reason you ruffled some feathers was your tone and approach, rather than your substantive argument--another poster was right: we have all heard the "prestige trumps financial considerations" argument before, and there is nothing novel in your use of it here.  I don't find your posts to be the least bit controversial in any substantive way.  BUT, your first post was very dismissive of other views:

I am amazed by the amount of misinformation and bad advice on this thread.  I also don't have the time to go back and correct everyone. 

Regardless of whether you're right and others are wrong, I hope you can percieve the lack of tact in this statement?  People are bound to become defensive when you declare that they are so wrong as to be "amazed" by them.  There is a certain pretention to it.  If you don't care about ruffling feathers, that's fine, too.  Just don't be incredulous about the defensive responses. 

Also, though you feel you've been misunderstood/misrepresented (perhaps justifiably so), I feel comfortable concluding that you've misrepresented some views as well.  For instance:

Where do you want to work? If it's NYC, then Cornell for sure. If it's DC or the south, then W&L. Any place else you'd have to look at on a case by case basis.

...who appears to think that Cornell is only good for NYC, and that W&L is better than Cornell in DC and the south, and that everywhere else would require a "case by case" examination..... you can say that this is an attack on Cornell, I suppose, but it is also blatant misinformation, the type that compelled me to post my reply...  try going out west with a Cornell JD and then with a W&L JD, and let me know which is easier... I don't really think you need a "case by case" analysis.....


I think RUMike makes a good point, and your response misrepresents it.  He does not say that Cornell is only good for NYC.  He merely says that NYC is a market in which there is no controversy whether Cornell or W&L achieves better placement (Cornell, of course).  He also contends that there is no controversy whether W&L or Cornell places better in the South and DC (which is debatable, perhaps, but based on my own research and experience--which is not terribly extensive--I'm inclined to say that it is a credible statement).  He finally says that other scenarios require individuated analysis, a claim that you reject.  Well, okay.  You may be right: perhaps "case by case" is superfluous in this comparison.  But don't be surprised that some are not so confident in their own intuition that they are willing to forsake analysis of the relative placement strengths of competing schools in particular markets.  I dare say that if the OP was dead-set upon living in NC, SC, or GA, it would behoove him to look at placement abilities for both schools in those areas, and I fell pretty sure in saying that W&L, especially with the money, would be the better choice.

Also, you did make some ad hominem attacks ("Well, since you're a 0L, I guess you know it all..."), which never tend to go over well in terms of calming an inflamatory situation.

I understand and respect your point of view.  I don't agree with it as general advice, but we all have our prerogative to disagree with one another.  That is what is so great about anonymous discussion boards... we never have to worry about losing face.

Zamora: that's great that you've pretty much reached a decision.  I envy you.   :-\  So are you 100% decided?  I'm getting closer to a decision myself, but not quite ready to put it out there...


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Re: Cornell vs. W&L ($$$)
« Reply #81 on: March 14, 2007, 05:32:59 AM »
stsherri - thanks for what you said. The combination of his tone and the comparisons he used to justify his claim were what bothered me about Leshy's posts. I really don't like arguing on the internet, though I know I'm a minority in that on these boards, but he really annoyed me. He kind of apologized, and I kind of apologized, so I'm not going to think about it anymore.

As for W&L I'm sending in my deposit this week and am about 90% sure I'll be there next year. I haven't received an aid package from BC yet but I doubt they will offer me more than W&L and I liked W&L better. (I also haven't heard from Michigan but I'm tired of holding my breath, if I don't hear from them by early April I'll probably withdraw). Strangely, it was that lengthy PM I sent to you that made me realize I was even more excited about W&L than I had originally thought.

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Re: Cornell vs. W&L ($$$)
« Reply #82 on: March 14, 2007, 06:16:07 AM »
Well said, Zam and stsherri.  It does my heart good to see so many people take issue with the "rank wins 11 times out of 10" mentality.

At this point in the game, everyone choosing which law school to attend has one school in mind that they keep comparing other schools to.  You find yourself trying to find reasons to go elsewhere, but that school is still your center of gravity.  Take a step back and think about why it is that you keep coming back to that school.  For me, it was only when I was able to gain some perspective by stepping back that my decision became easier.

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Re: Cornell vs. W&L ($$$)
« Reply #83 on: March 14, 2007, 07:27:30 AM »
Well said, Zam and stsherri.  It does my heart good to see so many people take issue with the "rank wins 11 times out of 10" mentality.

At this point in the game, everyone choosing which law school to attend has one school in mind that they keep comparing other schools to.  You find yourself trying to find reasons to go elsewhere, but that school is still your center of gravity.  Take a step back and think about why it is that you keep coming back to that school.  For me, it was only when I was able to gain some perspective by stepping back that my decision became easier.

Wow - this is the best piece of advice I've ever received. I'm debating visiting another school, and I keep flopping back and forth (it requires a plan ride), but I keep comparing it to a certain other school. Maybe you just helped me make my decision...  ;D

Re: Cornell vs. W&L ($$$)
« Reply #84 on: March 14, 2007, 07:34:17 AM »
stsherri - thanks for what you said. The combination of his tone and the comparisons he used to justify his claim were what bothered me about Leshy's posts. I really don't like arguing on the internet, though I know I'm a minority in that on these boards, but he really annoyed me. He kind of apologized, and I kind of apologized, so I'm not going to think about it anymore.

As for W&L I'm sending in my deposit this week and am about 90% sure I'll be there next year. I haven't received an aid package from BC yet but I doubt they will offer me more than W&L and I liked W&L better. (I also haven't heard from Michigan but I'm tired of holding my breath, if I don't hear from them by early April I'll probably withdraw). Strangely, it was that lengthy PM I sent to you that made me realize I was even more excited about W&L than I had originally thought.

Going to the ASW on the 24th? I'm looking forward to it, although "Coffee and Conversation" on Friday night seems like it will be a little awkward.

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Re: Cornell vs. W&L ($$$)
« Reply #85 on: March 14, 2007, 07:40:55 AM »

Going to the ASW on the 24th? I'm looking forward to it, although "Coffee and Conversation" on Friday night seems like it will be a little awkward.

I actually went to the one on February 2nd.

The coffee thing was ok, very low key. Sarah Nichols Hughes will almost certainly be there and she is very cool and good at introducing people and making things work.

I hope you love it as much as I did.

Re: Cornell vs. W&L ($$$)
« Reply #86 on: March 14, 2007, 07:45:42 AM »
She actually told me she won't be there, which is sad, because I interviewed with her and really liked her. I'm excited about the weekend--I'll let everyone know how it goes when I return.

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« Reply #87 on: March 14, 2007, 07:51:09 AM »
She actually told me she won't be there, which is sad, because I interviewed with her and really liked her. I'm excited about the weekend--I'll let everyone know how it goes when I return.

That is kinda sad.

The current students, every one of whom was awesome, will have to fill in the gaps for you.

Re: Cornell vs. W&L ($$$)
« Reply #88 on: March 14, 2007, 07:53:59 AM »
Going to the ASW on the 24th? I'm looking forward to it, although "Coffee and Conversation" on Friday night seems like it will be a little awkward.

I'll see you there.  Yeah, I'm anticipating a touch of awkwardness here and there.  That's just my own social incompetance, though.  I've already visited once and really liked the school.  I'm hoping that opinion is reaffirmed at the ASW...