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Is Ann Israel on crack?

jgruber

Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2004, 01:18:34 PM »
Why the strong reaction? 

JG

Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2004, 01:32:16 PM »
I've read a few of Ann Israel's columns, and I find her incredibly irritating.  She's completely dismissive of anyone with any goals other than working at a big law firm.  In one column, a woman thinking of having children in the next few years asked what kind of job might allow her to spend a reasonable amount of time with her family.  Ann basically responded, (1) No law firm is ever going to ease up on the massive work hours, and (2) Why are you even thinking about this?  If you want to have kids, you can do it even while you're working really long hours.

If you're one of the people who wants to "have it all," great.  But Ann Israel writes as though it's either impossible or inconceivable that someone would make compromises in her career in order to have a more pleasant lifestyle or spend more time with her kids, which is absurd.   I know lawyers who have made the choice to work in less prestigious jobs in exchange for more family time.  They're not in big NY law firms, but they're happy with their balanced lives.

Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2004, 01:35:18 PM »
Why the strong reaction? 

Because I've actually lived there! I've toured the city, I rode the subway, took buses, worked in the orphanages, hung out with Russians (most of them have degrees in something or another, even those who work retail or drive buses. they are sooooooo educated!), etc... Also, I studied (not a major, just several courses) Russian history during college (Tsarest times, Soviet period, and recent history).  There is no way Russia is a Third World country, and for someone to lump it into that category (a category that houses countries that don't even have electrcity or plumbing, and haven't industrialized much less entered the information age) out of ignorance is irritating.

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Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2004, 01:35:40 PM »
I believe that the term "third world" came about during the cold war. The United States, USSR, and their respective allies were deamed the "first world" since they were the most advanced. Being that there were 2 distinct sides, the remaining set of countries were grouped into the "third world". Hope this definition helps.

Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2004, 01:35:49 PM »
Isn't it great how we have to classify countries as first, second and third world.  It's okay that we export harmful pesticides to countries because they are "third world".  It's okay that we implement structural adjustments that allow for water to be a private comodity because they are "third world".  And we are the first world. Isn't it neat.  ;D

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Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2004, 01:38:53 PM »
yup

thechoson

Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2004, 01:40:14 PM »
Why the strong reaction? 

Because I've actually lived there! I've toured the city, I rode the subway, took buses, worked in the orphanages, hung out with Russians (most of them have degrees in something or another, even those who work retail or drive buses. they are sooooooo educated!), etc... Also, I studied (not a major, just several courses) Russian history during college (Tsarest times, Soviet period, and recent history).  There is no way Russia is a Third World country, and for someone to lump it into that category (a category that houses countries that don't even have electrcity or plumbing, and haven't industrialized much less entered the information age) out of ignorance is irritating.

Your ignorance is irritating.  Pyongyang has all those things you just mentioned, yet North Korea is obviously a third world country.  THE city?  Russia is not a city.  If you are going to base your opinions on Russia on your experience in Moscow, then that is more ignorance on your part.  You threw the UN's statistics in our face.  As Jeffjoe said, that's just one authority.  There are other measures of nations, and some of those measures would have Russia in the third world.
Me, I was going on Immanuel Wallerstein's Periphery, semi-periphery, and core qualifications of nations.  And Russia is obviously a periphery nation.
Plus, the fact that you are so insulted by people calling Russia a third-world country shows more of your ignorance.  It is just an economic/ political classification, not a way of calling the country or their people barbaric.  But you seem to have taken it that way, and thus showing your ignorance on the matter.

Next time, bring more to the table than assinine I learned about the TSARS or I've lived in Moscow or UN statistics before you call others ignorant.

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Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2004, 01:43:10 PM »
i dont think the term 'third world country' is meant to be taken derogatorily in this case.  im familiar with the definition of the term as what njlawguy posted. 

i dont understand what all the hoopla is all about.

Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2004, 01:56:17 PM »
Why the strong reaction? 

Because I've actually lived there! I've toured the city, I rode the subway, took buses, worked in the orphanages, hung out with Russians (most of them have degrees in something or another, even those who work retail or drive buses. they are sooooooo educated!), etc... Also, I studied (not a major, just several courses) Russian history during college (Tsarest times, Soviet period, and recent history).  There is no way Russia is a Third World country, and for someone to lump it into that category (a category that houses countries that don't even have electrcity or plumbing, and haven't industrialized much less entered the information age) out of ignorance is irritating.

Your ignorance is irritating.  Pyongyang has all those things you just mentioned, yet North Korea is obviously a third world country.  THE city?  Russia is not a city.  If you are going to base your opinions on Russia on your experience in Moscow, then that is more ignorance on your part.  You threw the UN's statistics in our face.  As Jeffjoe said, that's just one authority.  There are other measures of nations, and some of those measures would have Russia in the third world.
Me, I was going on Immanuel Wallerstein's Periphery, semi-periphery, and core qualifications of nations.  And Russia is obviously a periphery nation.
Plus, the fact that you are so insulted by people calling Russia a third-world country shows more of your ignorance.  It is just an economic/ political classification, not a way of calling the country or their people barbaric.  But you seem to have taken it that way, and thus showing your ignorance on the matter.

Next time, bring more to the table than assinine I learned about the TSARS or I've lived in Moscow or UN statistics before you call others ignorant.

I did not live in Moscow. I lived in St. Petersburg. When I refered to "the city" I was referring to St. Petersburg and Moscow (yes I did visit Moscow during my time in Russia). Do you seriously think that I belive that Russia is a city?? Come on. You're just trying to be an ass now.  And, simply because 3 people on this board claim Russia is a third world country doesn't mean that the one person on this board who says otherwise is wrong. Anyways, I'm done with this topic. Believe what you want. At this point I don't care.

thechoson

Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2004, 01:58:04 PM »
I find it interesting you have nothing to say regarding the substantive things I said against you.  Who really gives a damn if you lived in St. Petersburg or Moscow?  You were the one who said THE city.

Anyways, I am done with this topic as well.  But I maintain my stance that you have shown yourself to be more ignorant that the people you accuse of being ignorant