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50% off tution for Hosftra and New York Law School vs: nothing from St. John's

^ i think i'm starting to understand you perdicament, OP. try fordham or cardozo as far as law schools go in the NY area. after graduation, a degree from these two institutions will gaurantee you a job in the NY legal market, and with the oversurplus of lawyers in the legal market during today's economy, certain employment at graduation is a good commodity, especially in today's downturning economy. consider those schools for good career prospects.

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^ i think i'm starting to understand you perdicament, OP. try fordham or cardozo as far as law schools go in the NY area. after graduation, a degree from these two institutions will gaurantee you a job in the NY legal market, and with the oversurplus of lawyers in the legal market during today's economy, certain employment at graduation is a good commodity, especially in today's downturning economy. consider those schools for good career prospects.

I highly doubt I will get into Cardozo PT or Fordham PT...

if you applied to them, you are not a reach for cardozo pt

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if you applied to them, you are not a reach for cardozo pt

Yup. I applied. Crossing my fingers for a big miracle.

the thing about LSD is we are great at granting miracles, LOL! don't worry about it, it's mostly an inside joke here, lol!

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LOL.
Sounds good to me!

What are you lloking for that requires you to be in NY? What I mean is, do you need to actually live in NYC? Hofstra is in Uniondale... Nassau County, Long Island. Not part of the city and very much suburban (although not necessarily in the best neighborhood). Big difference from going to school in Manhattan, although the actual campus makes it more like St. John's. Not sure where NYLS is... *I believe* that it's in Manhattan, so if you want the big city experience, it's the only one of your choices that meets your requirement. However, it's also one of the lower choices. Personally, I chose St. John's ($5k/yr) over Hofstra($15k/yr) for a few reasons, ranging from facilities/campus, bar passage rate, reputation, faculty, personal recommendation, etc... and I've been very happy with the choice.
Good luck,
Rob

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So, I need to be in NY for the next few years. It does not matter where it NY- as long as I am not in some far away city such as Albany. Now, for me I'd like to obviously go to a well-respected school. However, my LSAT score is not opening up the best options for me right now. So, I saw that St. John's is one of the top 100 schools, but then I am told that since it's in the 70's in ranking that it does not mean much as far as prestige is concerned- this is what I want to confirm. Of course, I can look at where the alumni get employed, but that then again would I be getting an accurate picture of employment when information is self-reported and you don't get all the alumni information.
Another factor that I mentioned is that I got 1/2 scholarship for Hofstra and also some scholarship to the other schools in NY.
Right now, I am assuming that I won't be getting into the better schools- such as Brooklyn, Cardozo PT  or Fordham PT. If I did, I would obviously go and would be "happy" to go with no scholarship.

What are you lloking for that requires you to be in NY? What I mean is, do you need to actually live in NYC? Hofstra is in Uniondale... Nassau County, Long Island. Not part of the city and very much suburban (although not necessarily in the best neighborhood). Big difference from going to school in Manhattan, although the actual campus makes it more like St. John's. Not sure where NYLS is... *I believe* that it's in Manhattan, so if you want the big city experience, it's the only one of your choices that meets your requirement. However, it's also one of the lower choices. Personally, I chose St. John's ($5k/yr) over Hofstra($15k/yr) for a few reasons, ranging from facilities/campus, bar passage rate, reputation, faculty, personal recommendation, etc... and I've been very happy with the choice.
Good luck,
Rob

So what is important to you in choosing a law school? IIRC, you said you were pretty determined to practice law in CA after graduation, and none of the schools you're applying to are considered national schools (heck, some of them aren't even regional... known only in their local market). So if connections to your chosen area's job market isn't a concern, what are you looking for? Debt avoidance? You'll probably want to go with the school that offers the best scholarship... but that comes with a BIG caveat... check what it takes to maintain whatever scholarship you're offered. Hofstra, iirc, requires a 3.25 GPA to maintain the scholarship... that's pretty close to top 1/3rd of the class, so chasing the scholarship money may only be helpful for that first year. Perhaps lower overall tuition may be a bigger concern rather than the gamble that a scholarship may reduce the debt. So what else is important? What field of law are you looking to practice? Do you want a campus environment? Do you want to be in a big city environment or do you want to learn in a less frantic environment? What bar exams will you be taking? Several of the schools you've listed have NY Bar passage rates below the state average... is that important to you? I know it was for me.
Rob

So, I need to be in NY for the next few years. It does not matter where it NY- as long as I am not in some far away city such as Albany. Now, for me I'd like to obviously go to a well-respected school. However, my LSAT score is not opening up the best options for me right now. So, I saw that St. John's is one of the top 100 schools, but then I am told that since it's in the 70's in ranking that it does not mean much as far as prestige is concerned- this is what I want to confirm. Of course, I can look at where the alumni get employed, but that then again would I be getting an accurate picture of employment when information is self-reported and you don't get all the alumni information.
Another factor that I mentioned is that I got 1/2 scholarship for Hofstra and also some scholarship to the other schools in NY.
Right now, I am assuming that I won't be getting into the better schools- such as Brooklyn, Cardozo PT  or Fordham PT. If I did, I would obviously go and would be "happy" to go with no scholarship.

What are you lloking for that requires you to be in NY? What I mean is, do you need to actually live in NYC? Hofstra is in Uniondale... Nassau County, Long Island. Not part of the city and very much suburban (although not necessarily in the best neighborhood). Big difference from going to school in Manhattan, although the actual campus makes it more like St. John's. Not sure where NYLS is... *I believe* that it's in Manhattan, so if you want the big city experience, it's the only one of your choices that meets your requirement. However, it's also one of the lower choices. Personally, I chose St. John's ($5k/yr) over Hofstra($15k/yr) for a few reasons, ranging from facilities/campus, bar passage rate, reputation, faculty, personal recommendation, etc... and I've been very happy with the choice.
Good luck,
Rob

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So, to be honest with you, I would like to come back to California and teach introductory law/ paralegal type classes at a community college/state university. However, if academia doesn't work out ( as in I can't get a full-time teaching position), I would want to practice law- primarily tax law at a small firm or work for the state. I have NO intentions for working at a big law firm, as I would like to have a family and thus do not want to work 60+ hour weeks. Of course, I would make less money with what I intend to do, but I am fine with that.

I have no perference as to what type of environment I would like to do learn in...I plan on taking the NY bar exam as well as the CA exam- and like you bar exam rates are of importance to me in choosing the right school.

Like I said before, if  I had a choice between a top school with no scholarship offer and a below-avg school with $$, of course I would pick the top school. However, right now I feel like all the schools in NY that I got accepted are pretty much the same in terms of prestige/job prospects- with the exception of Touro, which is really down under.