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Law School Admissions / Re: University of Arizona vs. U of Miami
« on: April 29, 2007, 06:37:35 AM »
I do not believe we've considered cost yet.  While someone already mentioned the difference in cost of living and the "value" of those median salaries, consider cost while you are attending.  I am assuming, of course, that you have no scholarship at Miami...

Miami @ $34.5K tuition and $17K living x3 = $154.5K
Arizona @ $28.5K tuition and $14.5K living x3 = $129K

So Miami costs about $25K more upfront.

However, Arizona lets you establish residency as long as you establish domicile a year in advance. So when you move in July, quickly change your license, register your car, register to vote, etc. (and be sure to work your 1L summer in Arizona).  This drops your tuition about 11K per year for 2L and 3L.  I was told by the admissions office that even students who end up not qualifying for 2L often can reapply for residency and obtain it 3L.

So Arizona has the potential of costing as much as $47K less than Miami.

I've researched both schools, and I'll reiterate what others have said that neither school offers a significant advantage for Biglaw, although (at least on paper) Miami seems to be a better legal market than Phoenix.  A moderate amount of Biglaw graduates of Arizona go to LA.

The clerkship #s should not be discounted, especially considering Arizona places about 7% of its total graduating class in FEDERAL clerkships (1/3 of all its clerks).  This is an astounding number for any school outside the Top 20/etc.  If you do a federal clerkship, you become a hot commodity for any employer.

would you point me in the direction you found the residency info or did you receive this when you called the admissions office?  I'm probably going to call them next week.

I'm admitted to both schools, and while leaning heavily towards UM (location), I will say that I've been impressed with everything I've received from UofA.  The career services office sent employment statistics for the '06,'05, and '04 grads along with a list of the names of the employers broken down by state.  Most of the firms were smaller, but I do remember the median salary being $90K for '06 grads that REPORTED.....I too am skeptical of USNEWS and school stats, however.  I'll try to find the same info on the website and will post once I do.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Univ. of Miami anyone?
« on: April 23, 2007, 06:11:00 PM »
Hey. has anyone seen the University Village on-campus apartments? I was offered one today, and I was just wondering if they are decent places to live. Are they are furnished? How far are they from the school of law? Do they mostly consist of grad students or undergrads? I would appreciate any info you might have.

don't know all the answers but they are pretty close and mostly consist of UG's...I think they said they reserve 40 spaces for Law Students.  Congrats!  What are they running like, $1300/room?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: SMU vs. Arizona?
« on: April 22, 2007, 06:25:42 PM »
here's the deal.

they are not tearing down the building, they are remodeling the current annex which houses the library, faculty/admin offices, small classrooms etc.

the main lecture halls immediately outside the annex will continue to be used during the construction.

about two blocks away (just north of helen on maple), they have put up a temporary building that will house additional classrooms, offices, study rooms etc. The library collection will be split among a few various building near the school. They are also converting some other buildings right near the temporary building into other stuff for students use-they say we will have a coffee shop, private bookstore and other student study space.

It doesn't sound terrible, but we will see. Everything will be right near the old building and is still in the mix of things so I wouldn't let the rennovations discourage any plans to attend UA. If anything, I imagine that as soon as the work is done, the school will move up in the rankings.

and yes, the updates are MUCH needed. everything you read about the current building is true- I think before I came I read (in a princeton review guide) that the building resembeled an old bomb shelter built in the sixties.

This I said before, I don't really know anything about UofA Law.  AZlaw09, how's your experience been there so far.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: SMU vs. Arizona?
« on: April 22, 2007, 10:49:24 AM »
yeah, but the alternate locations are about 200 feet away from the original building, so it's really not a big deal.  The current building is pretty old. 

Oh, ok..I saw the map of the new locations but had nothing to compare them to as I've never been to Arizona's campus...I've seen SMU and really like downtown Dallas...

What do you think of Tucson and/or Phoenix?  How would you feel about working in either for 5+ years after Law School? 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: SMU vs. Arizona?
« on: April 22, 2007, 09:50:43 AM »
Ok, so I've narrowed down my school's to SMU and Arizona, both of which I didn't even think I would get into, so both are completely fine with me.  My question is, what are my chances of going to SMU and finding a good job in Arizona if I decide move there, and what are my chances of getting a job in Dallas if I go to Arizona? Obviously if I want to live in Arizona i should go to arizona, but my question is basically whether each one travels well to the other location.  good job = $70K for me. 

If you want three years of ridiculously hot women, great weather, non-stop partying, and amazing mexican food, UofA is for you (I myself am an alum, though not of the Law School, obviously). But I have no idea how it travels to Dallas. Also, Arizona's law building is perhaps the ugliest law facility in the country.

Im in at UofA also and know nothing about it...I did receive a letter saying they were remodeling the building in a project that may take 12-18months...The good news is that its supposed to be light years ahead of the current building...The bad news is that all classes will be held in alternate locations for the time being.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Section Stacking?
« on: April 20, 2007, 04:57:36 PM »
tag.  I might call or email USD and see what they say about this.

I was always under the impression top 1/x meant of the entire class, not just your section...?

But when they give you grades, the curve is based on only those in your section classes  - which may be stacked, while they rank you with the whole class.

So if each section has the same grade distribution, if you finish in say the top 1/2 of your section, you finish in the top 1/2 of your entire class most likely.  If you receive a B, and 50% in your section get Bs or better, the same should apply to all sections, thus meaning you're still in the top 50%.

Other than the fact that the competition might be tougher due to people either working harder or just being smarter, thus having been offered scholarships, it wouldn't really matter if your rank is calculated against just your section or the whole class.

Or am I missing something here?

Yanksfan and Bittersweet-
hopefully we won't have to worry about this at UM.  During ASD, we were organized alphabetically into those tour groups and my guide mentioned that that is most likely how we'll be organized into sections come the fall....then again, she didn't even know about Law Review so she could have been mistaking.

Law School Admissions / Re: What up UNC?
« on: April 11, 2007, 08:56:16 PM »
I was waitlisted yesterday. I am not staying on the waitlist. Not too dissapointed considering I applied on the due date and did not tailor the personal statement to their questions. I was expecting a rejection just for the latter reason.

learned i was waitlisted yesterday via my roommate......whatever.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Univ. of Miami anyone?
« on: April 11, 2007, 06:22:59 PM »
I'm attending weddings in state all summer and going to try and work, so I'm moving down late July/early Aug. 

I believe Orientation is on Aug 13th so I'm giving myself about two weeks to get acclimated with the area.

I plan on studying on the beach if thats what it takes to get there!

weddings?! it always creeps me out to hear people my age getting married.

then again, i think i'm a very young 22. but still.

im 23 and don't see marriage coming for roommate is 27 and already creepy is that?  She got to keep all of the furniture so, at least our house is nice.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Univ. of Miami anyone?
« on: April 11, 2007, 05:11:52 PM »
I've sent mine and am 75% sure I will be uhaulin it there late june.

Mid to late May for me....figured I'd stake my claim at the beach before the rest of you kids get there....cheers!

Honestly, how great is knowing we can study hard, and when we need a break, be surrounded by such beautiful scenary?

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