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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: Number81 on October 07, 2008, 02:44:56 PM

Title: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Number81 on October 07, 2008, 02:44:56 PM
Hey.

I'm a 1L at Emory.  I was one of the more active members on this board last year.  I put a lot of thought into where I was going to go to school, I visited a few other places, and I have friends (both online and real haha) at various other schools.  We've discussed similarities/differences and stuff.  I'd like to answer any questions you guys have in regards to Emory...

LSN is in my profile if you want some background on me.  I'm basically straight from UG and interested in making money.  I got a 90k scholarship from Emory.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on October 07, 2008, 02:46:18 PM
Based on some of the common questions/discussions last year, here's a few words of advice..  I'm writing this here since I'm sure I'll come back to these points...

(1) Don't pick a school because you think it will have an awesome student body
This is going to differ every year for your school.  Our 1L class is markedly different from our 2L class socially.  I understand the idea that certain types of people are going to be more attracted to cities/rural areas or certain regions of the country or whatever, but I absolutely do not think you will notice all that much of a difference between the schools.

(2) Keep in mind that people on here are unique and have different perspectives
The second day of school some of my classmates were stressing.  At week 7, I am not stressed at all.  Some people think the people at the school are total alcoholics and not serious.  Some others think we don't go out enough.  It's all about where you come from and what your personality is like.

(3) I wouldn't look much into what the undergrad population of various schools is like, nor the general population of the surrounding city.  I'm pretty outgoing, but neither I nor really any of my classmates has a real group of friends outside the law school.

(4) Don't rule out any of the top-30 schools without looking into them pretty closely.  I almost ruled out Emory entirely at first.  I'm very glad I didn't do that.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: isustudent on October 07, 2008, 02:47:20 PM
What are the scholarship cutoffs?
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on October 07, 2008, 03:02:43 PM
What are the scholarship cutoffs?

It's going to change every year, and the GPA/LSAT scores are most likely going to go up a little every year.

Last year, with only a very few exceptions, it went:

165-166, 3.5-3.75 = $90k
165-166, 3.75+    = $96k
167+, >3.5        = $75k
167=, <3.5        = Accept
165-166, <3.5     = Accept
>164              = Reject
This doesn't count URMs.  Things are more volatile for them and soft factors seem to be more important.  I think there's a few people that got in with 155 and a good GPA, but I'd say you need a 159 to be pretty confident.  Most URMs got a $54k scholarship.

And yeah, some of that seems a little counter-intuitive.  They obviously played the "boost our medians" game, although I'm not sure how much of an effect this had on our 25-75 rankings.  Also, before someone asks, I don't know much about this year's numbers other than that our median GPA is about 3.55 and LSAT is "92%" (my LSAT was 166 and I was 93%, FWIW).
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Top Cat on October 07, 2008, 04:15:04 PM
Where do most Emory student say they want to go?  To clarify, what is the consensus geographical and concentration preference (if any)?  Also, does Emory offer anything above full tuition scholarships (such as a stipend) and if so, what kind of numbers do you need to get it (or, selfishly I'll cut to the chase and say will my numbers make me competitive for it?)

Finally, could you justify going to Emory over a better school (let's say 11-16 range) if it saved you $40,000+?

Thanks for taking the questions- I love when people who actually know give us advice (as opposed to the pure speculation we all offer at times).
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: High Life on October 07, 2008, 04:49:30 PM
Where do most Emory student say they want to go?  To clarify, what is the consensus geographical and concentration preference (if any)?  Also, does Emory offer anything above full tuition scholarships (such as a stipend) and if so, what kind of numbers do you need to get it (or, selfishly I'll cut to the chase and say will my numbers make me competitive for it?)

Finally, could you justify going to Emory over a better school (let's say 11-16 range) if it saved you $40,000+?

Thanks for taking the questions- I love when people who actually know give us advice (as opposed to the pure speculation we all offer at times).

Your posts are not humble Lucas.  Furthermore, you are in at Duke.  Stop looking at places like Emory.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Katze on October 07, 2008, 04:59:07 PM
I plan to take the LSAT in December 08. Is this too late to possibly get a scholarship from Emory? What factors (other than GPA/LSAT score) are important to be considered for the Woodruff scholarship? How many students have received this particular scholarship last year?  
Would you classify Emory as a school, which is primarily interested in GPA/LSAT score?
What LSAT score do you think I need to get into Emory with a GPA of 3.71 (LSAC GPA)? How low is too low? I am worried about the LSAT, English is not my first language. I also have degree from my home university in addition to my US Bachelor's, will this help at all?
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on October 07, 2008, 05:04:30 PM
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Where do most Emory student say they want to go?

Atlanta for the slight majority.  A lot of people also want to go back to NYC and I've heard some mentions of Miami and DC. We have a geographically diverse student body, but a lot of people really like Atlanta and are going to want to stay.  It's an awesome city with a whole lot to offer.


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Also, does Emory offer anything above full tuition scholarships (such as a stipend) and if so, what kind of numbers do you need to get it (or, selfishly I'll cut to the chase and say will my numbers make me competitive for it?)

We give 5(?) Woodruff Scholarships each year.  I believe these are full tuition (~120k) + 15k stipend over 3 years (I thought I remembered 154k total being the number, but I could be wrong).  I believe your numbers would put you in the running, but I really don't know what the criteria is for these scholarships.  It may be that they are looking for really high numbers, or it might be crazy life experiences.  I'm not really sure.


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Finally, could you justify going to Emory over a better school (let's say 11-16 range) if it saved you $40,000+?
Well, I put a lot of thought into this, and it turned out to be a lot of wasted time!  I got into USC with no money, and it was a very easy decision not to go.  My straight-mathematics formula suggested I would need 30-60k from USC to make it an equal/better offer.

You will have some better choices than I did.  I would consider 90k from Emory to be equivalent to an Acceptance from Duke/Cornell/GULC and 30-60k from USC/Vandy/UCLA/Texas/GWU.  I think Emory is a school that is going to move up (our endowment is enormous and the law school is getting a lot of cash) in a city that, compared to the rest of the country, is growing rapidly.  It is also worth considering that you'll probably do better against the students at Emory than the students at Duke, for example.


hth
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on October 07, 2008, 05:09:19 PM
Nice to see you around, dude.  Good luck.  I agree with your student bodies comment, and the stress.  A lot of the latter is self-imposed, but I've noticed that some chill people are easily stressed while some stressed people go out a lot; it's very hard to tell which type you'll be in advance.  I thought that I would be studying 24/7, but I'm easily one of the most social people around.

Anyway, keep it real.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on October 07, 2008, 05:11:30 PM
^^ Good to see you, buddy.  I hope things work out great for ya this year.  I thought Chicago was definitely the place for you.

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I plan to take the LSAT in December 08. Is this too late to possibly get a scholarship from Emory?

No, it's not too late.  Nor is it anywhere close to too late.  People got $$ that applied in January last year I think.  I believe most everyone got their $$ mid-March last year.


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What factors (other than GPA/LSAT score) are important to be considered for the Woodruff scholarship?

I would guess that all the over-the-top humanitarian stuff counts as a lot, but I'm not really sure.


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Would you classify Emory as a school, which is primarily interested in GPA/LSAT score?

For non-URMs, yes, definitely (although, that said, most of my classmates have really cool life experiences).  The Woodruff Scholarships may be an exception to this.


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What LSAT score do you think I need to get into Emory with a GPA of 3.71 (LSAC GPA)?

Probably 166 as a minimum, although possibly 165 or 167.  The cut-off will probably be very clear, though -- either all 166/3.7+'s get in, or all of them get rejected, for example.

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I also have degree from my home university in addition to my US Bachelor's, will this help at all?

Only if you are a URM.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on October 07, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
I'm an Emory 2L. I'll toss my hat into the ring here too.

(1) Don't pick a school because you think it will have an awesome student body
This is going to differ every year for your school.  Our 1L class is markedly different from our 2L class socially.

Seriously dude. This year's 1L class is LAME. The 3L's are more in-line with my class socially, so there is some continuity. Not all of you guys are socially incompetent though, I still have hope for class.

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(2) Keep in mind that people on here are unique and have different perspectives
The second day of school some of my classmates were stressing.  At week 7, I am not stressed at all.  Some people think the people at the school are total alcoholics and not serious.  Some others think we don't go out enough.  It's all about where you come from and what your personality is like.
Who thinks we're alcoholics? What a loser . . . 1L isn't hard, it's all about institutionalized stress. I refused to participate in that (and if you keep up that trend, it sounds like you won't either), and I did just fine.

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(3) I wouldn't look much into what the undergrad population of various schools is like, nor the general population of the surrounding city.  I'm pretty outgoing, but neither I nor really any of my classmates has a real group of friends outside the law school.
Yeah, for the most part, you have to bring your non-law friends with you. I have a friend outside the law school who happens to be one of my undergrad friends who also moved to Atlanta after college. I still mostly hang out with law people though.

Various groups try to organize mixers with other grad students, but that really doesn't result in too many lasting friendships.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on October 07, 2008, 09:16:17 PM
What are the scholarship cutoffs?
It's going to change every year, and the GPA/LSAT scores are most likely going to go up a little every year.
. . .
I'm not sure how much of an effect this had on our 25-75 rankings.  Also, before someone asks, I don't know much about this year's numbers other than that our median GPA is about 3.55 and LSAT is "92%" (my LSAT was 166 and I was 93%, FWIW).

Your class's median LSAT is 165. Median GPA is 3.55. I signed up to give tours, so they tell me these things. Medians for my year were slightly lower, something like 164/3.45-ish.

The current 1L class' scholarships were bigger than those offered to my year, FWIW.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on October 07, 2008, 09:26:37 PM
I remembered you posting on here last year.  I'm trying to figure out who you are!


But yeah, the 1L class this year is like two-tiered.  We have a group of maybe 70-100 or so people that go out at least twice a week and are a lot of fun, and then we have people that do nothing but read cases.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on October 07, 2008, 09:34:33 PM
Where do most Emory student say they want to go?  To clarify, what is the consensus geographical and concentration preference (if any)?  Also, does Emory offer anything above full tuition scholarships (such as a stipend) and if so, what kind of numbers do you need to get it (or, selfishly I'll cut to the chase and say will my numbers make me competitive for it?)
Emory places MOST students in Atlanta and the southeast. That said, students are interested in, and do go all over the country. You probably need to be in the top 25% to top 1/3 in the class to be guaranteed your choice of firms in any given market. Emory has a rep. in Atlanta of having a lot of kids go back north, so if you have a "northern" resume, Georgia firms will be wary of you. Also, a lot of smaller markets like to see some connection.

FWIW, I have a summer associate position lined up in New Jersey. A lot of my classmates are going to be working in NY or DC as well.

Emory has the Woodruff Fellowship, which covers tuition and fees plus a $3000 stipend per year.

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Finally, could you justify going to Emory over a better school (let's say 11-16 range) if it saved you $40,000+?

If Emory were free, I'd take it, but in this Economy, I'd play it safe.

Would you classify Emory as a school, which is primarily interested in GPA/LSAT score?
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Aren't they all?
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What LSAT score do you think I need to get into Emory with a GPA of 3.71 (LSAC GPA)? How low is too low?
A 165 should seal the deal for you. That was the median this year, but your LSAC GPA is higher than the median of 3.55. That said, you might be able to go as low as 164 to be safe. I don't know if they will give you any special consideration as an international student, I would assume that there is some "diversity bonus in there, but I still wouldn't stray too far from the medians.

Emory, like most schools puts more weight on the LSAT than on GPA these days.

I remembered you posting on here last year.  I'm trying to figure out who you are!

Everyone knows who I am.  ;)
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on October 07, 2008, 09:55:22 PM
I wouldn't worry about the people who read cases all day.  We have them at my school, too, and all of the upperclassmen tell me that they don't do better than others.

Besides, it's not like there's gold in the cases.  Most of them are relevant for their holding and some reasoning -- nothing more.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sarahpi on October 18, 2008, 12:50:32 AM
(I'm probably going to post this dilemma over on a general financial aid thread, but I'd love to get an Emory-person's read on it.)

In brief- Emory is my first choice, by far. My LSAT is 174, and last year they gave out the highest scholarships to people in the 166-167 range, with higher-scoring applicants getting less money. I totally get this from a yield/average-boosting perspective. But in my case, I will definitely attend, and I obviously want as much aid as possible.

So, do you think it would be worth bringing this up at some point? I'm thinking of requesting a meeting with a financial aid representative when I visit the campus, and letting them know that Emory is my definite top pick and I will definitely enroll, if given enough financial aid to make it feasible. I don't want to say I'll enroll no matter what, since in that case they might just give me no aid at all; but truly, I will enroll if it's at all possible.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Refused Party Program on October 18, 2008, 04:50:23 PM
For those of you interested in Woodruff, I can tell you the range of extras from all those who were considered last year because I met them all when they came up for Woodruff weekend. I also know many of them from my class. Most have something that was really unusual. A few had PhDs. One had been in Iraq. More than one was into law and religion, which is a focus here. Many had a very strong interest in public interest and the background backed that up. Almost all had some sort of work/life experience. I do think it is more than numbers, but numbers are important as well. Most of the candidates had opportunities at top 10 schools.

I don't know if would say the 1L class is "LAME" but I do get a more serious vibe from them. I'm heavily involved with one the student orgs and many 1Ls were straight up rude to me because the org wasn't going "to do something from them." However, I know many that are very cool, very down to earth people, and I am very happy they came to Emory because they will go out in the world and help give our school a good name.

I also want to piggy back on what Captain said about Atlanta firms: if you aren't from these parts but want to work in Atlanta, you better say in your interview that you are ONLY looking in Atlanta. They are sensitive about that. Ironically, it seems many of the people I know (myself included) had better luck in NYC than here.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on October 18, 2008, 09:36:32 PM
(I'm probably going to post this dilemma over on a general financial aid thread, but I'd love to get an Emory-person's read on it.)

In brief- Emory is my first choice, by far. My LSAT is 174, and last year they gave out the highest scholarships to people in the 166-167 range, with higher-scoring applicants getting less money. I totally get this from a yield/average-boosting perspective. But in my case, I will definitely attend, and I obviously want as much aid as possible.

So, do you think it would be worth bringing this up at some point? I'm thinking of requesting a meeting with a financial aid representative when I visit the campus, and letting them know that Emory is my definite top pick and I will definitely enroll, if given enough financial aid to make it feasible. I don't want to say I'll enroll no matter what, since in that case they might just give me no aid at all; but truly, I will enroll if it's at all possible.

Thoughts?

I definitely agree with Reez.  A couple people on LSN got 90k scholarships with 170's, and I'm guessing it was because they wrote letters showing interest.  Basically, I think it works out like this:
You apply, get accepted, get 75k.  You write, very frankly, that Emory is honestly your top pick even though you are aware you can get into a T10 school and you know that people with lower scores got more money than you and you just want to be equal and plan to attend if that is the case.  They'll give you the money.  Call if they don't, but they will.

I think the issue is that they wanted to provide a compelling offer, but they knew people weren't going to attend with 170's, so they wanted to keep some of the money freed up.

Also, this is assuming the adcomm works in a way similar to how it did last year...
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Refused Party Program on October 18, 2008, 11:14:52 PM
Were you the guy sitting at the Health Law Society table?  I wasn't being rude.  It was witty banter.

Thats a negative. Honestly, I'm just an old curmudgeon that think kids these days have it easy and have a false sense of entitlement. I'm kidding, but only a little. Getting questions like "why should I join your club, what are you going to do for me?" and being serious about it, is a little ridiculous if you ask me. You should be asking what you can do for the club, not what if can do for you!

For all of those 0Ls out there, I'm pleased with Emory, and frankly, looking at my job prospects, I couldn't ask for anything better, so I'm glad I took the money and ran. I really love Atlanta. Certain professors I have had are outstanding. With the money they throw around, coupled with the low cost of living here, I don't think there is a better value out there for students with "Emory type numbers."
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on October 18, 2008, 11:28:16 PM
I'm not asking this question to be a male private part or anything, but how are things working out with career services? That made me very nervous last year.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Refused Party Program on October 19, 2008, 07:19:25 AM
I'm not asking this question to be a male private part or anything, but how are things working out with career services? That made me very nervous last year.

I think that is a reasonable question. From my personal experience/perspective, I am happy with the service I received from the office. I think, like many places, it depends on your counselor. Fortunately for me, I did not need to go outside of the the many OCI opportunities presented to all students. We have two "regular" OCIs where firms come to campus. One in August that is mostly big firms. One in September that is mostly mid sized or large in small market firms. We also have two, Emory only job fairs that are in NYC and DC. I think between those four events, about 100 firms were on the table. There is also an OCI in the spring, but I think that is targeted more toward 1Ls. Long story short: they get a lot of firms to interview us.

If you don't go the OCI route, the experience may be different. I cannot (and probably Captain cannot) comment on that because I didn't need to go that way. Last year (for 1L summer), my counselor got me an interview through someone she knew. Didn't get a job out of it, but at least she had a contact she could leverage for me. I do hear a lot of people complaining about other counselors, but I have no idea how well founded it is. I think in this market, if you don't have the grades and journal/moot court experience, it is going to be tough. Career Services just can't magically get you a job. I think students at other law schools will have similar complaints.

I will say this, at least we had ours crazy early, which I think helped out a lot. Some Emory people had offers before many of our "peer" schools did screening interviews.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sarahpi on October 19, 2008, 02:29:43 PM
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You apply, get accepted, get 75k.  You write, very frankly, that Emory is honestly your top pick even though you are aware you can get into a T10 school and you know that people with lower scores got more money than you and you just want to be equal and plan to attend if that is the case.

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'm thinking I'll wait until I've been accepted to say anything, but possibly bring it up before they announce financial aid, if only because Emory is infamous for not liking to negotiate once they've made an offer. So if I do it that way, it would be, "Apply, get in, write frank letter of first-choice-ness, then hopefully get more than 75k."

The other thing is, I submitted a whole pile of applications last year and did get into several T14s. The whole reason I'm doing this year's round of apps is because I realized I wanted to stay in the South and settle in Atlanta. So is it worth saying, "I got into X, Y and Z schools, but Emory is my first choice and I will attend if you come through with aid"?
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on October 19, 2008, 06:29:39 PM
Yeah.  One other thing:  do you have any reason to want to go to Emory other than you want to work in the south?  I would probably take a close-to-full-ride at Duke if I were you.  I hate not to campaign for Emory, but in your situation it seems like there are some much better options.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sarahpi on October 19, 2008, 06:52:29 PM
Don't think I haven't thought about it, 81, but I'm really anxious to live in Atlanta again- I've been in NC for the last 3+ years and the prospect of 3 more isn't very attractive. I have a pretty large network of friends and connections in Atlanta, plan to settle there, and if financial aid does come through, having way fewer loans would, for me, make it worth turning down the t14. I would definitely choose Duke (or various other schools) if GA State or Mercer were the only Atlanta options, but I can live with more money at an excellent place like Emory.

I am applying to Duke this year, though, so that would be a backup plan if Emory stiffs me on $.

Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: gowi on October 20, 2008, 02:04:01 PM
Uh huh, I figured some of you were here with an Emory questions thread.  ;D I am wondering who Number81 is though...I'm betting I know but had no idea you were on LSD.

I have nothing useful to add for the 0L's, sorry. heh.

Oh, wait, I can add something. I love my professors, seriously. I have a few complaints (most of them voiced already) but definitely not with the professors or the courses. Overall, I'm loving Emory.

Also, a rather high percentage of our class were non-trads, most having worked 1-2 years for congressmen or as paralegals, that sort of thing.

And Emory is not a southern school, not at all.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: 3-Elle on October 20, 2008, 02:54:57 PM
Uh huh, I figured some of you were here with an Emory questions thread.  ;D I am wondering who Number81 is though...I'm betting I know but had no idea you were on LSD.

I have nothing useful to add for the 0L's, sorry. heh.

Oh, wait, I can add something. I love my professors, seriously. I have a few complaints (most of them voiced already) but definitely not with the professors or the courses. Overall, I'm loving Emory.

Also, a rather high percentage of our class were non-trads, most having worked 1-2 years for congressmen or as paralegals, that sort of thing.

And Emory is not a southern school, not at all.

Gowi, you know who Number81 is...he just changed his name on here...look at his LSN.


And for the 0Ls, Emory is great so far. I love my classmates, and there have been so many networking opportunities. The professors are great (especially the civ pro professors) and Atlanta is a really fun city with fantastic weather. :) Can't complain.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: 3-Elle on October 20, 2008, 03:09:18 PM
So now we've got like half of our Civ Pro class in the same thread.  Classy, Emory.

I thought this was our contracts class... :)
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: gowi on October 21, 2008, 07:55:36 AM
OH NOES! My secret identity has been revealed.

*posts from Contracts class*
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: togbra on October 24, 2008, 04:59:24 PM
I remembered [captain] posting on here last year.  I'm trying to figure out who you are!


The captain is the grinning idiot with a phillies hat on because the yankees suck this year.  and for the record, he has no friends inside or outside of the law school. and new jersey sucks.  and he still has not figured out who i am

Emory is a good school with great profs. I like my classmates (2Ls) and the 1Ls are nice (though they study way harder than they should). It's a good place to go to school.

to the person considering duke, if I was choosing between duke and emory, i would go to duke.  even if i was looking to work in atlanta, i would chose duke. a lot of people from duke work in atlanta, especially in biglaw.  but that is an individual choice, hating NC is a good reason, but i would weigh it carefully.

I would also agree with a previous comment about atl law firms wanting you to only look at atl. i've seen locals do better in nyc and dc than atl.  it has been weird, don't know if it has to do with the economy or not.

Someone was asking about placement: mostly in atl, then nyc, then dc, a little bit in texas, california, chicago ( http://www.law.emory.edu/career-services/prospective-students/employment-report.html )
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Blair180 on October 25, 2008, 11:52:12 AM
What are the scholarship cutoffs?

It's going to change every year, and the GPA/LSAT scores are most likely going to go up a little every year.

Last year, with only a very few exceptions, it went:

165-166, 3.5-3.75 = $90k
165-166, 3.75+    = $96k
167+, >3.5        = $75k
167=, <3.5        = Accept
165-166, <3.5     = Accept
>164              = Reject
This doesn't count URMs.  Things are more volatile for them and soft factors seem to be more important.  I think there's a few people that got in with 155 and a good GPA, but I'd say you need a 159 to be pretty confident.  Most URMs got a $54k scholarship.

And yeah, some of that seems a little counter-intuitive.  They obviously played the "boost our medians" game, although I'm not sure how much of an effect this had on our 25-75 rankings.  Also, before someone asks, I don't know much about this year's numbers other than that our median GPA is about 3.55 and LSAT is "92%" (my LSAT was 166 and I was 93%, FWIW).

My LSAT is 160, GPA is 3.9 and tons of leadership but boring life experience. Should I not even waste application fee applying to Emory?  :'(
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on October 25, 2008, 01:52:15 PM
If you're really interested in the school then it's worth a shot.  Maybe they'll change their criteria..
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on November 02, 2008, 12:44:04 PM
I remembered [captain] posting on here last year.  I'm trying to figure out who you are!


The captain is the grinning idiot with a phillies hat on because the yankees suck this year.  and for the record, he has no friends inside or outside of the law school. and new jersey sucks.  and he still has not figured out who i am

I know exactly who you are, although I have never seen you posting here before. And FYI, I am way super-cooler than you, and better than you at trivia.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on November 02, 2008, 07:06:57 PM
Where do you guys do Trivia?


I haven't seen any group of 2L dorks to rival us at Mellow Mushroom
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: rcamp28 on November 02, 2008, 07:55:19 PM
Hey guys, thanks for taking the time to answer questions! It seems like there are more Emory 1,2L's taking questions than most other schools which is nice to see.

Emory is certainly one of my top choices, I've visited Atlanta a few times and I like the area and from what I have been able to read and research it seems like it would be a good fit for me. I've sent all my apps out already so now I'm just waiting but I was wondering if you could answer a few scholarship questions for me. I have a 168 and a 3.5ish and I'm a URM (Hispanic). I have good soft factors with lots of leadership. Based on last years figures it would seem that I either would not be offered a scholarship or would be offered a small 1 despite a better LSAT score than others. Do you have any experience in negotiating for better offers? and if so, would you advise using other acceptances/offers as leverage (if applicable)?

On an unrelated note...recently I met with Lorianna in your admissions office and she told me that the best time to visit would be either before Nov 15th or after mid February. Unfortunately I can't come before the 15th and I'd prefer to come before mid February for scheduling reasons. Would coming in late Nov/early December be a waste of time? She made it seem as if I wouldn't be able to get a feel for the campus atmosphere because everyone would be studying.

Thanks again guys!
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on November 03, 2008, 09:23:32 AM
I visited a few schools during crunch-time and, if anything, it gave me a better sense of what to expect than the early semester hijinks.  Like alcohol, the school's true nature comes out.  Don't listen to her. 
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on November 03, 2008, 07:07:23 PM
To address your questions...
First, I would really suggest being incredibly up front about scholarships after you/everyone else gets your offer.  If Emory is your #1 pick, tell them, and tell them you're willing to come but as a condition want the same offer that everyone else got.

That said, I'm not sure what the scholarship distribution is going to be like this year, so last year might not be a perfect guide.


Regarding the campus visit ...
I really don't think these things give you much of a feel for the school.  The things I would pay most attention to are whether you like the whole big city/Atlanta thing, and whether you like Emory's location inside of it.  Other than that, you're not going to get any sense of what the student body is like by just taking a 1 hour tour and maybe talking to 3-4 people who might do a horrible job representing the class.  I also think the whole facilities thing is overrated as long as the school isn't BU.  When you look back on your 3 years in law school, I really doubt you'll feel like you learned much more or enjoyed life that much more because you had slightly more comfortable chairs or used Powerpoints instead of chalk or whatever.  That said, I think the facilities are very nice, although some of my classmates have wanted improvements.

Anyway, that said, as far as when to visit -- I really don't think it matters.  Just realize that most people are probably going to be less uppity near exams.  You can still see the facilities, stroll through campus, see the area, and see Atlanta...  You won't get a great idea of the culture of the school regardless.  And, if you're interested in that, you can ask questions about it here and get perspectives from like 6 students.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: rcamp28 on November 04, 2008, 07:32:27 AM
Thanks for the help! I think I'm gonna try to come up the first weekend in December, hopefully I'll get tickets to the SEC Championship which would make it a fun dual purpose visit. Good luck on your upcoming exams and thanks again for the advice!
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on November 04, 2008, 08:36:52 AM
Where do you guys do Trivia?


I haven't seen any group of 2L dorks to rival us at Mellow Mushroom.


Edit:
Boo, delete Reez!  Not everyone knows I'm an LSD dork yet, do they?
(Oh and thanks, dude)

We used to go to Mellow Mushroom last year, but we moved on to dominate Hand in Hand this semester.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: gowi on November 04, 2008, 11:49:25 AM
I have to admit, I effing hate Emory's chairs and tables. The swingie seats drive me crazy. Then again, I'm short. Just makes me think of other law schools I visited that had newer desks and more comfortable chairs. An hour and a half is a long time to use your tip toes to hold you up to the desk. Not to mention, we're crammed in. Makes it tough to have 2 books and a laptop without inching over into your neighbor's area.

As for when to tour, I think the biggest thing is that the tour guides aren't going to want to help out during those times. Why not tour later on?

Seems to me Emory was staunchly opposed to negotiating scholarships. I think it was Emory anyway. I know Georgia didn't take the bait when I tried negotiating with them. But Bama was awesome.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: observationalist on November 05, 2008, 07:51:17 PM
Reez or others, I've got a random faculty question for you.  Professor Mayton is teaching Admin Law for 2Ls this spring at Vandy and I'm wondering if anyone's had him before. He seems pretty legit (must have some interesting stories from his time on the Watergate Committee). Just wondering what sort of teaching style he goes for... i.e. cold calling, on-call, volunteer, crazy paper chase.

Also, I heard Atlanta went nuts after the election last night... would've liked to have seen it. The biggest display of Obamania we had in Tennessee was this guy: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1105082obamahair1.html
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Refused Party Program on November 06, 2008, 06:17:06 AM
I didn't have Mayton, but I my friends in his class told me he was pretty sick, which is why he might have wanted to be somewhere else.

This is more for the 1Ls on here, or any OLs that end up at Emory: While I wouldn't completely throw away comments in those SBA evaluations, I would also take a look at the grade people received in that class. A lot of times, those who made an A think the class was incredible, while those who made a B had the professor. Something to think about ...

EDIT: Sorry guys, didn't notice that the Spring 08 sheets do not have grades. For some of the other years they are there and you should take a look.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: observationalist on November 06, 2008, 08:37:22 AM
what's up dude.

don't know a thing about him, but this is the only writeup on the SBA class evals (from Con Law I last Spring):

"Mayton ran this class as though he'd rather be anywhere else but in front of it.  He showed up late, dismissed early, mumbled, became frustrated when the class didn't understand his rambling questions, and if a student asked a question he thought beneath him, he would either answer in a single word ("No"), mock them, or occasionally, become angry at them.  He is very accomplished and obviously quite brilliant at the material; however, his experience and intelligence do the class little good."


good riddance, I guess?

ETA: found his Admin Law evaluations.  Will PM them your way.  (People liked it way better than his Con class, apparently.)

And yeah, ATL was poppin last night.

Thanks again. the PM info is very useful and I'll pass it along. FWIW I'm finding courses on admin/regulatory law are far more useful in my career development than other classes (like con law, which often just felt like a history class).  And I don't think we're stealing Mayton... he's visited at a number of schools so this may just be a way for him to engage in some joint scholarship opportunities with members of the Vanderbilt faculty before he returns to ATL in the fall. So Emory 0Ls can still suffer through Con Law next year like everyone else has to.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on November 06, 2008, 06:17:13 PM
And about our facilities, I went to a really modern (and bucolic) undergrad, so I expected anything would be a downgrade, but I haven't been bummed at all about Emory's law building.  It's totally ugly on the outside, but the interior and the layout make it a pretty good place to spend your day.

The facilities get the job done, but it is a horribly ugly building all around. The interior isn't much better.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on November 06, 2008, 07:37:28 PM
Haha, I don't even think the exterior looks bad, and I think the interior is really nice.

I remember when I first visited, I recalled the PrincetonReview comment that the law building is a "stain on an otherwise beautiful campus."  I saw the law building and assumed it wasn't the right one because I thought it was really nice.

I guess there must be other schools that are much nicer.  My undergrad campus is probably one of the nicest in the country (although pretty different and more natural), and I am not at all displeased with Emory's facilities.


At any rate, I guess for interested students the consensus is that the facilities are not very nice, but not terrible.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Refused Party Program on November 07, 2008, 06:09:17 AM
The facilities get the job done, but it is a horribly ugly building all around. The interior isn't much better.

I'm backing up Capt on this one. It is isn't too bad actually, until you go over to the med school, or the biz school, or the school of public health. Our building was built in the 60s and it shows. That being said, I've been to worse law school buildings and it does get the job done.

Someone on here was going to visit the first week in Dec? I'm not sure if that is prudent. That is the weekend right before exams start.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: servinglife on November 07, 2008, 08:37:29 AM
I have a masters degree in Theology and Emory's interdisciplinary programs in law and theology interest me, especially as it adopts a comprehenisve approach to the impact of the law upon our rights to freedom.

Does anyone have familiarity with the Center for the Study of Law and Religion? Do law students not pursuing a joint degree typically take classes in this program?

Regarding the environmental program, can you give some idea about the field placements or the accomplishments/focus of the Turner Clinic?

This may be more for 2L/3Ls that are following the thread. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: togbra on November 07, 2008, 02:34:23 PM
I have a masters degree in Theology and Emory's interdisciplinary programs in law and theology interest me, especially as it adopts a comprehenisve approach to the impact of the law upon our rights to freedom.

Does anyone have familiarity with the Center for the Study of Law and Religion? Do law students not pursuing a joint degree typically take classes in this program?

Regarding the environmental program, can you give some idea about the field placements or the accomplishments/focus of the Turner Clinic?

This may be more for 2L/3Ls that are following the thread. Thanks for the info.

There are a few people taking classes in theology (I know at least one person, but I don't know that much more about the center).  Any JD student can take 6 hours outside of the law school in other grad schools (you have to get approval (from freer), which is to say you have to show how it would help your law career/education, but it is pretty much a rubber stamp).

As for a the turner clinic, i assume you have seen the webpage, but considering how bad the emory web page is -  http://www.law.emory.edu/programs-centers-clinics/environmental-law/turner-clinic.html . I believe that some of the field clinics are not available anymore, but you can check out the field clinic page - http://www.law.emory.edu/current-students/registrar/field-placements.html . 

Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: togbra on November 07, 2008, 02:40:33 PM
Where do you guys do Trivia?


I haven't seen any group of 2L dorks to rival us at Mellow Mushroom.



We used to go to Mellow Mushroom last year, but we moved on to dominate Hand in Hand this semester.
We dominated you 1Ls this past week... :P
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sarahpi on November 07, 2008, 07:52:27 PM
Thanks to all who gave me feedback on my financial aid situation a couple weeks ago! I ended up visiting the campus two weeks ago and was able to speak to the admissions officer who led my info session (Khary Hornsby) for a few minutes after the tour. I briefly covered my situation and he recommended writing a letter now, rather than later- because this year, Emory will send scholarship information out with acceptance letters, rather than waiting till February.

So I came home, sent a letter a couple days later, and then a few days after that got the email that my application file is complete. Now it's time to wait and see.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sarahpi on November 08, 2008, 07:38:42 PM
Sweet! He seemed like a pretty nice guy and was really helpful.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on November 10, 2008, 07:17:30 PM
Haha I remember that happening last year!  That was so miserable.

But yeah, I think the administration does a lot better side outside of Admissions.  The Adcomms were annoying and slow last year.


And togbra, this was like the first week I didn't make it out to trivia.  I just gave up since I routinely missed every question and was worthless.  Did you guys take home the $50?
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on November 11, 2008, 10:08:56 AM
Where do you guys do Trivia?


I haven't seen any group of 2L dorks to rival us at Mellow Mushroom.



We used to go to Mellow Mushroom last year, but we moved on to dominate Hand in Hand this semester.
We dominated you 1Ls this past week... :P

Why was that a reply to me?

Oh, and if I remember correctly, I believe it was the Captain who administered the final-question ass-whoop.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: gowi on November 11, 2008, 04:01:28 PM
(Before we get too far off topic...)

FYI, I had my first experience with Career Services today. She was great. Knowledgeable, direct, and nice. Definitely exceeded my expectations. I have no worries about Career Services. Now I just have to figure out what I want to do next summer without having a clue about my grades...

She did say as an engineer looking for IP work with a firm in Atlanta, I probably need to be in the top 25%. She mentioned top 30% for other areas, but I'm only looking for Atlanta. Granted, this isn't exact science, just something she threw out there, but I thought it might interest engineer 0Ls.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: togbra on November 11, 2008, 06:29:43 PM
Why was that a reply to me?

Oh, and if I remember correctly, I believe it was the Captain who administered the final-question ass-whoop.

I was putting it into context.  we would have gotten it right if you weren't there. also i do remember you jumping up on an answer and getting it wrong.  not once, but twice.  in fact you tend to get most questions wrong or lead us down the wrong path.


And togbra, this was like the first week I didn't make it out to trivia.  I just gave up since I routinely missed every question and was worthless.  Did you guys take home the $50?

and yes we did.  this will be our last week cause of finals, etc.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: tcwhat on November 11, 2008, 09:10:44 PM
Why is Emory such a pain in the ass that they won't let me pay for my app like normal schools?




Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: tcwhat on November 11, 2008, 10:04:10 PM
Why is Emory such a pain in the ass that they won't let me pay for my app like normal schools?

Sorry dude.  It's just, we were sitting around at lunch the other day, and somebody said, bros, let's complicate our application process.  And we were all pretty bored, so we said, yeah, whatever.  And I guess that guy wound up doing it.  He's not real popular, if that makes you feel any better.

I'm still going to apply, but man, it is discouraging to have to go to the money order place like *insert insensitive comparison here*.  I haven't used a check in ages and I refuse to order a book for 1 application.


Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: JenMcn on November 13, 2008, 08:53:37 AM
Hey yall!!

I'm planning to take the Dec. test and apply the first week of Jan. I am a URM and I have 1-2 years of experience working as a paralegal and a host of other soft's (sign language interpreter, mentorship programs, etc.) I went to GA State for undergrad and ended with a 3.3. (I had some serious issues in 2nd & 3rd year that killed my stellar gpa). I have been pretesting in the 158-162 range. Do I have a shot? I will be applying to GA State just in case, but I really want Emory. I had an opportunity to go to Emory undergrad but I let people around me talk me out of it. I wish that I had made different decision but I cant do much about it now. Don't get me wrong, I loved GA State, but I just wonder what if...

Thoughts???
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: gowi on November 16, 2008, 08:36:36 AM
Are there any Emory 1Ls who can tell me wtf Vertinsky means by "contract"?  Also am looking for advice on her use of the term "enforcement," if anybody has that info in a nutshell version.

Get CrunchTime for Contracts. I swear, she reads directly from it half the time. It's not in the same order as our book, but the info in it is dead-on with what we're covering. There has only been a couple of topics we covered that isn't in there.


Why is Emory such a pain in the ass that they won't let me pay for my app like normal schools?

Sorry dude.  It's just, we were sitting around at lunch the other day, and somebody said, bros, let's complicate our application process.  And we were all pretty bored, so we said, yeah, whatever.  And I guess that guy wound up doing it.  He's not real popular, if that makes you feel any better.

I'm still going to apply, but man, it is discouraging to have to go to the money order place like *insert insensitive comparison here*.  I haven't used a check in ages and I refuse to order a book for 1 application.




uuuhhhhh..... ok.  ::)
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: lawboy81 on November 19, 2008, 03:47:35 PM
What are the scholarship cutoffs?

It's going to change every year, and the GPA/LSAT scores are most likely going to go up a little every year.

Last year, with only a very few exceptions, it went:

165-166, 3.5-3.75 = $90k
165-166, 3.75+    = $96k
167+, >3.5        = $75k
167=, <3.5        = Accept
165-166, <3.5     = Accept
>164              = Reject
This doesn't count URMs.  Things are more volatile for them and soft factors seem to be more important.  I think there's a few people that got in with 155 and a good GPA, but I'd say you need a 159 to be pretty confident.  Most URMs got a $54k scholarship.

And yeah, some of that seems a little counter-intuitive.  They obviously played the "boost our medians" game, although I'm not sure how much of an effect this had on our 25-75 rankings.  Also, before someone asks, I don't know much about this year's numbers other than that our median GPA is about 3.55 and LSAT is "92%" (my LSAT was 166 and I was 93%, FWIW).

This can't be right...
You're saying that if you get below a 165 on the LSAT you're screwed (unless you're a minority) -- but 165 was the median, so half the people who got in had 164's or below.  I think people with 163's and 164's must be fairly competitive if they have solid GPA's and good soft factors, even if they're not minorities or extreme splitters. 
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: gowi on November 21, 2008, 04:07:15 AM
I agree, reez. Especially since our median LSAT score for the class jumped to 165.(something I can't remember from that god awful orientation in August. Why isn't the website updated?)
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on November 21, 2008, 08:47:05 PM
Hey yall!!

I'm planning to take the Dec. test and apply the first week of Jan. I am a URM and I have 1-2 years of experience working as a paralegal and a host of other soft's (sign language interpreter, mentorship programs, etc.) I went to GA State for undergrad and ended with a 3.3. (I had some serious issues in 2nd & 3rd year that killed my stellar gpa). I have been pretesting in the 158-162 range. Do I have a shot? I will be applying to GA State just in case, but I really want Emory. I had an opportunity to go to Emory undergrad but I let people around me talk me out of it. I wish that I had made different decision but I cant do much about it now. Don't get me wrong, I loved GA State, but I just wonder what if...

Thoughts???


As a URM, you'd have a shot.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on November 21, 2008, 08:51:41 PM
Seriously though, that's right.  Check out the LSN graph from last year.  164 means gameover, unless it's 3.9+.  (Although, it's just a dead end WL, not a straight up reject.  But then, we can presume that the numbers will move up slightly, as they always do.)

Not every applicant used LSN. The median is 165 for your class. Unless you are suggesting that half of the class are URMs?
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: gowi on November 22, 2008, 04:57:44 AM
Gowi, good looks on the Crunchtime.  Crucial.

 ;D

Just 2 more days until LWRAP is over...

For 0L's, LWRAP is Emory's writing and research class. This year it's worth 2 credits and we take it both in the Fall and Spring. It's, well, time consuming, to say the least. It's also one of those classes that varies wildly from school to school. At some schools, it isn't even graded. But it's pretty important since you get writing samples from it and learn how to research (dur, yeah, that's what it's called.) Currently, Emory is considering switching it up big time. One rumor is that Legal Methods will be combined with LWRAP. Legal Methods is a course where we learn all of the theories behind the law, basically. Learn how to interpret everything from cases to statutes. We even spent a class or two on legal economics and philosophy. Again, Legal Methods is not something every school offers, or if they do offer it, it is drastically different from other schools. I honestly wish I had taken Legal Methods in undergrad, or at least prior to law school.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: lawboy81 on November 23, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
so you think the school purposefully didn't let in better qualified applicants with 164's so they could boost their median up a point?  maybe they let in more 162's and 163's because they knew they werent going to have to worry about a 162 or 163 median, but they'd been stuck on 164 for a few years and it was time to move on?  the school knows perfectly well that a 164/3.7 is just as qualified as a 165/3.4, but rejects the former and gives the latter $60,000...
it makes sense actually.  sounds like the kind of thing a school like emory would do...
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: lawboy81 on November 24, 2008, 03:09:47 AM
so you think the school purposefully didn't let in better qualified applicants with 164's so they could boost their median up a point?  maybe they let in more 162's and 163's because they knew they werent going to have to worry about a 162 or 163 median, but they'd been stuck on 164 for a few years and it was time to move on?  the school knows perfectly well that a 164/3.7 is just as qualified as a 165/3.4, but rejects the former and gives the latter $60,000...
it makes sense actually.  sounds like the kind of thing a school like emory would do...

I don't know if that's exactly what happened last year, but who knows.  I sure don't think they preferred 63s or 62s over 164s, though.  Seems like they just drew a bright line and threw around enough money for an adequate yield of 165 and 166 (although our class is a lot smaller than the 2L class; I heard the 2Ls were over-enrolled, but obviously a smaller student body could also be seen as a rankings play.  Or it could be that even the money couldn't get Emory a full class of 165s and 166s).

Kind of sucks, I guess, especially, like you said, if somebody's a 164 3.8 and could be holding his own here.  But the thought process seems fairly legitimate; waitlist some decent candidates with a view to move medians and attract higher-quality applicants in the future.  Can't knock the hustle, I suppose.  And using medians to increase applicant quality is probably something that most of the 20ish-ranked try to do, if that's how you mean "a school like Emory."

Anyway, again, best of luck to all those applicants this year.  I've got a good friend from college who applied with a 164, and I've got my fingers crossed for him.



And hey! LWRAP is over!

Haha, I know Emory's not the only one.  They all play the numbers game.  But it's worth pointing out that it's not hopeless for applicants with sub 165's, even if they're not URM's -- some of them must have found a way to sneek in.  It's always possible that a few people will lie about their LSAT to their friends if it seems like everyone else is a couple points higher then them.  Who knows?
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Refused Party Program on November 24, 2008, 03:32:14 PM
I wish I had a link, but there was a professor a year or two ago that did a study on the US News rankings and discovered that at the high end of LSAT scores (90th percentile and better), and increase of a point or two in median does very little to improve a schools rankings. The reason for this is US News uses percentiles as opposed to LSAT raw score, and the difference in percentiles at the high end are very slight (164 is 91ist ish 165 is 92nd ish I think). They also do some regression which waters down the impact as well. In fact, the author argued that if a school wanted to game the rankings, they would be better served by admitting more high GPA students than high LSAT students.

A previous poster mentioned that the smaller class may have something to do with higher numbers and that is a rankings play as well. I think there is some validity to that as well.

Another spin: the US News Rankings are a somewhat self fulfilling prophecy. When I applied, Emory was either just at 25 , or maybe 27 or so. In April of that year (2007), Emory went up to 22. Last year we were 22 as well. I think this slight jump might have increased the quality of the applicant pool, which in turn presumably raises the scores. Also, class of 2010 (my class) was the first where they started handing out very nice scholarships. Class of 2011 scholarships are ridiculous. I think this might also increase quality of applicants (which of course is the goal).

Honestly, I think the difference in "quality of student" doesn't vary at all from someone who got a 164 vs. 165 vs. 169. But schools have to draw the line somewhere I suppose, and for Emory I guess that line is moving a little higher on the LSAT scale.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: gowi on November 28, 2008, 10:27:36 AM
I don't think Emory changed its scholarship scheme to increase rankings. I think they threw out tons of half-tuition scholarships previously and ended up with 50 more students enrolling than expected. By giving out $90k scholarships to fewer students they were able to more accurately predict the class size. And sure enough, we're very close to that 220 student ideal for Emory.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on December 06, 2008, 08:12:56 PM
the school knows perfectly well that a 164/3.7 is just as qualified as a 165/3.4, but rejects the former and gives the latter $60,000...
it makes sense actually.  sounds like the kind of thing a school like emory would do...

Is the 164 as qualified? I guess it depends how you weigh the LSAT, doesn't it?

Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on December 06, 2008, 08:19:53 PM
I sure don't think they preferred 63s or 62s over 164s, though.
They don't, but there is an affirmative action program in place.

Quote
(although our class is a lot smaller than the 2L class; I heard the 2Ls were over-enrolled, but obviously a smaller student body could also be seen as a rankings play.  Or it could be that even the money couldn't get Emory a full class of 165s and 166s).
The school shot up in the rankings around the same time as the accept deadline for the 2L class. They got more acceptances than they anticipated. Happens all the time. We were lucky to hold steady in the rankings. We should shoot up again this year, depending on how other schools did comparatively. The 1L class raised the LSAT median a point, and GPA by a bit as well, so I am cautiously expecting it.

EDIT: Actually, I think Notre Dame may jump us in the rankings.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on December 06, 2008, 08:29:47 PM
I don't think Emory changed its scholarship scheme to increase rankings. I think they threw out tons of half-tuition scholarships previously and ended up with 50 more students enrolling than expected. By giving out $90k scholarships to fewer students they were able to more accurately predict the class size. And sure enough, we're very close to that 220 student ideal for Emory.

Nah. We over-shot the class of 2010 because Emory was accepting assuming a yield that comes with being ranked 27th or whatever we  were at back then, and got a yield that comes with being ranked 22nd. Last year they were assuming a yield for 22nd, and pretty much nailed it. The scholarships are a concept stolen from GW, they're designed to baby-step up the medians.

And RPP is right, the LSAT and GPA are essentially mathematically inconsequential compared to other factors in the rankings. HOWEVER, the school has little control over the peer/practicioner ratings, and, in-fact, those rankings may even  be influenced by the previous year's overall rankings.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on December 09, 2008, 08:45:27 PM
Hope everyone's exams have been fun so far!


Regarding the 165 deal ... that makes sense, right?  We have almost nobody over 166, so let's say that 166+ has like 40% of our class.  Probably 45% of our class has a 165, and then probably 15% of our class are URMs with under a 165.  That would make 165 our median, and if you were a non-URM that's what you would have needed to get in.  I'm guessing our 25/50%'s are 165/166...

Anyway, there's no telling what's going to happen next year, so apply anyway.  With the awful economy, there might be way more people going to law school or maybe way less people (you guys have probably figured it out already).  Because our endowment is invested, we might not give out much $$$ and that might result in lower scores getting in.


Anyway, contracts should be fun, right?

Edit: Now that I think about it, our 25th % might really suck.  If 15% of our class are URMs, and they range from 155 to 160 mostly, then we might end up with something kind of crappy for our 25%.  Since our 75% didn't go up much, that might screw us over a bit on USNews.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: gowi on December 10, 2008, 05:36:17 PM
Y'all think too damn much.

 ;D
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: gowi on December 11, 2008, 06:06:26 AM
Heyo, big day tomorrow huh?  I predict 35 Bs and 35 B+s.

Haha, at least there won't be any C's or D's.

I will be so glad when this class is over.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sarahpi on December 11, 2008, 07:09:48 AM
Hey, so I'm in for next year. I'm thinking of starting an Emory 2012 thread- will any of you current students come over there to help the rising 1Ls with questions about logistics, finding a place to live, etc?
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sarahpi on December 11, 2008, 09:28:17 AM
Great, thanks! I figured it will probably be a slow thread for a while, until more people get acceptances/make decisions, but we might as well get this show on the road now.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: 3-Elle on December 11, 2008, 09:31:42 AM
Hey, so I'm in for next year. I'm thinking of starting an Emory 2012 thread- will any of you current students come over there to help the rising 1Ls with questions about logistics, finding a place to live, etc?

Congrats! And absolutely...provided we all make it out of this contracts exam alive  ;) There's also a lot of good info if you can find the old Emory 2011 thread, it's mostly still applicable, and it was really helpful to me last year.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sarahpi on December 11, 2008, 12:14:14 PM
Yeah, I've gotten a lot of good info out of that thread. Starting the new one now!
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on December 11, 2008, 03:42:54 PM
Congrats on getting in!  And yeah, all the specific-type questions you have, just ask.  Also, I'm not 100% sure how helpful the ol' emory 2011 thread will be.  It seems like the idiot that created it wasn't even a student at the time and he's out there trying to give all sorts of specifics!
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: crazyinkorea on December 11, 2008, 09:08:01 PM
New here.  I had a question concerning the employment prospects for Emory grads in Atlanta and the South more generally.  I was wondering class % was needed for Big law in Atl or in smaller Southern markets such as Nashville. My thought was around top 25% for Atl and perhaps top 33% for elsewhere,  Thanks ahead of time 
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: crazyinkorea on December 11, 2008, 10:20:54 PM
Good points raised.  I am applying 2009-10 cycle so my hope is that the economy has calmed down a bit in that time and perhaps returned to some form of a bull market by 2013.

Another question I had was how lenient Emory was with money last year.  This thread has already discussed this to a point, but splintered into LSAT average raising, but I was wondering  if there was any word if Emory plans on being as liberal with the purse strings as they were last year? I understand you may not know, but thought your guess was better than mine.  In Korea
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on December 12, 2008, 04:47:36 PM
I'd be interested in hearing the 2L's comments on the job issue, given current "conditions."

And keep in mind, if you start school in Fall of 2010, then you want the economy to be good in the Fall of 2011, because that's when you interview for your 2L job (..and the firms apparently register in February 2011), which is what matters.


And I'm not sure what the deal is going to be with the money this year.  We got a letter from the President of the entire university basically saying their investments (endowment) were looking rough, and so they're not going to be dishing out as much cash-money for social events and scholarships until things pick up.  But, I think the law school looks to be getting more and more attention now, so it might come close to evening out.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sarahpi on December 12, 2008, 07:46:23 PM
Thanks, Number81! As far as specific questions go, I'm good on Atlanta in general (used to live there, visit frequently, etc) but will definitely want to pick everyone's brains about Emory-specific stuff as the time gets closer.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on December 13, 2008, 07:25:09 PM
I'd be interested in hearing the 2L's comments on the job issue, given current "conditions."

Oh ok... well, since you pulled my leg, I'll take yet another break from studying...

Most of the people that I know who are in the top 1/3 or so have a job lined up for the summer. Not all of those count as "BIGLAW," though, but I'd venture to guess that if you are in the top 1/3 and make a journal, you're in good shape, so long as you attack the bigger markets. I know of two people who are on a journal and don't have jobs. I think it had a lot to do with them skipping big markets and applying to niche markets that either cut back on hiring or that they didn't have a connection to, but honestly I am just guessing.

The ATL jobs were seemingly unavailable if you had a strong connection to a geographic area outside of the southeast, however. I don't think many interviews were granted to people who had "New York, NY" listed anywhere on their resume, for example, regardless of rank. At least on the east coast, NY is the only market that doesn't seem to care about local connections at all. Even if you do have a connection to a market, it may not be strong enough (for example, I have a connection to Philadelphia through my undergrad, but apparently that wasn't convincing enough for Philly firms).

RPP can probably do a better job of commenting on this, but I think the job market for Patent/IP lawyers is still pretty good. I don't think I know of any Enginerds who are unemployed at the moment. I don't, however, know every future patent lawyer at Emory.

I've mentally excluded people from this analysis who want to work for the government, or small firms, or anything outside of BIG/MID-LAW. Those jobs might not be filled until next semester.

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And keep in mind, if you start school in Fall of 2010, then you want the economy to be good in the Fall of 2011, because that's when you interview for your 2L job (..and the firms apparently register in February 2011), which is what matters.
True, but if the economy heats up after firms do their hiring for Summer 2012, they will likely have slots open for 3Ls in Fall 2012 OCI. So, at most he'd miss out on a really nice paycheck during 2L summer.

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And I'm not sure what the deal is going to be with the money this year.  We got a letter from the President of the entire university basically saying their investments (endowment) were looking rough, and so they're not going to be dishing out as much cash-money for social events and scholarships until things pick up.
We can't be doing that bad... Harvard apparently lost more this past year than the entire value of Emory's endowment.

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But, I think the law school looks to be getting more and more attention now, so it might come close to evening out.
Partlett is apparently a pretty impressive fundraiser. He brought in some big checks last year, IIRC, which goes into a separate endowment for the law school. So, while the University as a whole may be having a rough year financially, that doesn't mean that the Law School endowment is necessarily in bad shape. Nonetheless, I don't know any specifics about the school's finances and I don't think I care to learn about it until after I fully understand Hearsay and all of it's glorious exceptions.

Oh, and hi Sarapi, welcome to the Emory.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Number81 on December 14, 2008, 10:54:55 AM
Your post makes me full much better.  I would be glad to take a midlaw job.

Back to Torts.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on December 14, 2008, 02:01:04 PM
Your post makes me full much better.  I would be glad to take a midlaw job.

Back to Torts.

NP. This thread should probably be titled something more like, "Emory 1Ls and 2Ls having a chat to themselves and occasionally Taking Questions
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Captain on December 14, 2008, 03:26:41 PM
ITT, Guess What Grade Reezy Gets in Torts.  GO!

(If you guess higher than flat B, I'll have the moderator kick you out for being flame.)

Which prof?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Sarahpi on December 15, 2008, 09:05:17 PM
Thanks, Captain!

Since my whole thing with Emory is wanting to settle in Atlanta, where I went to high school (Decatur represent!) and lived for 5 years, I'm hoping that will constitute enough ties to the area to get a job there. And my four years between undergrad and law school have been spent in NC, and my family is in the South.

(I'm clinging to those factors, hoping they will cancel out the New England undergrad and California undergrad summer internships.)
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on December 15, 2008, 09:51:37 PM
Awesome. I'm psyched about the new thread name.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on December 15, 2008, 10:31:48 PM
I am too!
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: observationalist on December 16, 2008, 12:45:49 AM
I am too!

Get out of here you troll!

He who was once named Decider, any idea if Emory is going to go along w/ the employer/city lists plan come February?  It'd be sweet if we could get everyone in the T25 together on this... GULC has been approached by a prospective and I think the UT accepteds will be pushing for them as well.  It would be a big help to the schools outside the NLJ250-laden markets to publish full lists of employers so students can see how well the placement is in under a broader 'biglaw' distinction.  And I know someone said they think top 1/3 of the 2Ls are secured for biglaw work, but there's got to be better statistics for total firm placement that you'll want to be promoting so prospectives don't get scared away.  There's a rumor going around that the larger schools were hit harder by the market retraction this year... if that's true, the Emory could be touting a better investment opportunity than larger schools this year that may seek to hide where the bottom half of their classes are working.

In the meantime, if any 1Ls are looking for environmental work in the Southeast I spoke with a few of the Riverkeeper programs last week at a conference...they're looking to start pairing up with more law schools offering legal interns on a consistent basis.  Upper Chattahoochee Riverkeeper is based in ATL and Black Warrior Riverkeeper is based over in Birmingham... cool people at both orgs and it's a fun summer experience. A lot of those orgs also get legal assistance from firms in town, so they're a good way to network with local environmental attorneys for those looking to stick around.

Sincerely,
Shameless Waterkeeper Alliance Troll.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Number81 on December 16, 2008, 08:44:47 AM
I would not expect Emory to go along with that unless literally every other school does.


Also, it seems like top 1/3 = "has a job in biglaw or midlaw or something similar" according to Captain.


Anyway, I'll ask the career services folks about this, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on December 16, 2008, 12:39:37 PM
There's a rumor going around that the larger schools were hit harder by the market retraction this year...

Started and perpetuated by you, troll.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: observationalist on December 16, 2008, 12:45:50 PM
There's a rumor going around that the larger schools were hit harder by the market retraction this year...

Started and perpetuated by you, troll.

 ;)

Small schools gotta stick together, that's all I'm saying.  And if you check out the UT posts they had some 2Ls complaining that only top half were finding work through OCI.  I think we were about 60% according to Career Services, with 80% employed last I checked in w/ them a few weeks ago.  Any information we can put out is going to be positive, and if Emory's CSO folks get those numbers together it could be worth it to publicize the information. JSIA.

With Love,
Shameless Transparency/Waterkeeper Alliance/Small Schools Troll
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on December 16, 2008, 01:01:50 PM
Hah I was just talking today with a friend of mine about how glad we were that we were at a small school. This wasn't even a matter of jobs, though I did mention the "rumor".
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Number81 on December 16, 2008, 01:43:57 PM
So ... any advice on this legal methods exam?

Specifically how to approach the organization and stuff like that?



Oh, and how clear should we be when we make positivist/natural law/textualist(etc) arguments?

Do I want to come straight out and say, "A positivist would probably contend ..."?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Refused Party Program on December 16, 2008, 09:06:39 PM
If you have a professor that stressed making a checklist (as mind did), I would take that to heart. In other words, use as much of the packet as possible. I didn't do this and my grade was crap.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on December 18, 2008, 09:10:30 PM
If you have a professor that stressed making a checklist (as mind did), I would take that to heart. In other words, use as much of the packet as possible. I didn't do this and my grade was crap.

Weren't you in Bederman?

He stressed a checklist?

I only used half of the cases in the packet. My grade was pretty darned good.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Number81 on December 19, 2008, 09:22:11 AM
So, legal methods...  Great exam, or the greatest exam?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on December 19, 2008, 02:35:04 PM
So, legal methods...  Great exam, or the greatest exam?

Greatest.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Number81 on December 19, 2008, 04:23:30 PM
Yeah I think it might be my best grade (which might speak badly about my other classes!), but it was without question the most miserable 32 hours of my life.  It took me at least 8 hours and three-times-through reading the cases before I was able to figure out what the hell was going on.  That reading was tough!


Is anyone else going to bar review tonight?


Also, on three occasions I thought for sure I figured out who you 2l/3l people were, and on each occasion I was totally wrong.  I tried to ask kind of inconspicuous questions, and I completely failed each time!  I apparently do not know you people.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: 3-Elle on December 19, 2008, 04:43:20 PM
Yeah I think it might be my best grade (which might speak badly about my other classes!), but it was without question the most miserable 32 hours of my life.  It took me at least 8 hours and three-times-through reading the cases before I was able to figure out what the hell was going on.  That reading was tough!


Is anyone else going to bar review tonight?


Also, on three occasions I thought for sure I figured out who you 2l/3l people were, and on each occasion I was totally wrong.  I tried to ask kind of inconspicuous questions, and I completely failed each time!  I apparently do not know you people.


Legal Methods was miserable...I never want to read anything about coal mining again. I was so happy to turn that in and be done. I haven't decided about the bar review tonight, I may end up going. We definitely have a lot to celebrate :) When do you all head home?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Number81 on December 19, 2008, 05:38:39 PM
I'm driving home so no real plans.  Probably tomorrow.  Maybe Sunday.


And I don't have your phone # anymore (new phone).  I'm meeting up with a few people you know, so give me a call if you want to stop by.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Refused Party Program on December 19, 2008, 07:31:57 PM
If you have a professor that stressed making a checklist (as mind did), I would take that to heart. In other words, use as much of the packet as possible. I didn't do this and my grade was crap.

Weren't you in Bederman?

He stressed a checklist?

I only used half of the cases in the packet. My grade was pretty darned good.

Ha, well, it could have also just written a crappy exam. But yeah, there was a day where he talked about making a checklist. But, guess it doesn't matter now. The 1Ls are done, and its off to a fun semester of Con Law.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on December 20, 2008, 07:58:43 AM
If you have a professor that stressed making a checklist (as mind did), I would take that to heart. In other words, use as much of the packet as possible. I didn't do this and my grade was crap.

Weren't you in Bederman?

He stressed a checklist?

I only used half of the cases in the packet. My grade was pretty darned good.

Ha, well, it could have also just written a crappy exam. But yeah, there was a day where he talked about making a checklist. But, guess it doesn't matter now. The 1Ls are done, and its off to a fun semester of Con Law.

Yeah, I dunno, another guy (who you surely know) didn't even go to most of the classes and he got an A from Bederman. Knowing Bederman, there was surely a method to the madness, but from outside his head, it just all seems kind of random.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on December 21, 2008, 09:03:53 AM
Rumor has it kids from Emory Law are running around Circuit City's (how the hell do you pluralize that? Solution: "around from Circuit City to Circuit City") making K breach threats/claims.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on December 21, 2008, 11:34:08 AM
Yeah I think it might be my best grade (which might speak badly about my other classes!), but it was without question the most miserable 32 hours of my life.  It took me at least 8 hours and three-times-through reading the cases before I was able to figure out what the hell was going on.  That reading was tough!


Is anyone else going to bar review tonight?


Also, on three occasions I thought for sure I figured out who you 2l/3l people were, and on each occasion I was totally wrong.  I tried to ask kind of inconspicuous questions, and I completely failed each time!  I apparently do not know you people.

PM me... I want to know who you thought I was... and I'll tell you who togbra is...
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Number81 on December 21, 2008, 02:40:21 PM
Rumor has it kids from Emory Law are running around Circuit City's (how the hell do you pluralize that? Solution: "around from Circuit City to Circuit City") making K breach threats/claims.

Haha

So last year I bought a laptop and paid $400 extra for a 4-year extended warranty service plan from circuit city.  My computer was a POS and I had to ship it in to get serviced.  So they said they want to just fully replace it, but that the remaining 3 years on my warranty would no longer be honored.  They said that's part of their "No Lemon Guarantee."  The relevant clause, in its entirety, reads "15. No Lemon Guarantee."

So eventually I explained how there's no way they can do that and am getting a pro-rated refund on the warranty.
Title: Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
Post by: togbra on December 24, 2008, 01:50:06 PM
I'd be interested in hearing the 2L's comments on the job issue, given current "conditions."

Oh ok... well, since you pulled my leg, I'll take yet another break from studying...

Most of the people that I know who are in the top 1/3 or so have a job lined up for the summer. Not all of those count as "BIGLAW," though, but I'd venture to guess that if you are in the top 1/3 and make a journal, you're in good shape, so long as you attack the bigger markets. I know of two people who are on a journal and don't have jobs. I think it had a lot to do with them skipping big markets and applying to niche markets that either cut back on hiring or that they didn't have a connection to, but honestly I am just guessing.

The ATL jobs were seemingly unavailable if you had a strong connection to a geographic area outside of the southeast, however. I don't think many interviews were granted to people who had "New York, NY" listed anywhere on their resume, for example, regardless of rank. At least on the east coast, NY is the only market that doesn't seem to care about local connections at all. Even if you do have a connection to a market, it may not be strong enough (for example, I have a connection to Philadelphia through my undergrad, but apparently that wasn't convincing enough for Philly firms).

RPP can probably do a better job of commenting on this, but I think the job market for Patent/IP lawyers is still pretty good. I don't think I know of any Enginerds who are unemployed at the moment. I don't, however, know every future patent lawyer at Emory.

I've mentally excluded people from this analysis who want to work for the government, or small firms, or anything outside of BIG/MID-LAW. Those jobs might not be filled until next semester.


I disagree with captain on this issue.  I know quite a few people on a journal who do not have jobs lined up next summer (at least the 2 captain is thinking of and a few more).  the rumor going around during finals (of which i have secondary sources somewhat confirming the validity, but i am not completely convinced of this) - was that only about 1/4 of the 2L class had jobs lined up after fall oci - based on a survey done by career services.  Obviously this is pretty low, but i don't have numbers to compare to last year (also i know a few people who didnt respond to their career services person and have a job).  also fall oci was a while ago, but a friend of my mine asked cs during finals and they seemed to confirm it.  1Ls are probably screwed for next year, but who knows.  3Ls are screwed.  the market is bad.  that is just the truth. just look at abovethelaw and the failure of some big firms and layoffs.  its an oversaturated market, if you are thinking about law school, i would recommend that you think about your reasons and your ability to pay off debts...

I would agree with captain on NY.  Atlanta firms dont like it if you apply to other firms outside of atlanta, even if you are from atlanta. 

IP law is the exception if you have the right background.  if you have questions on that, i can fill you in on that.

caveat: everybody has a different experience/opinion, so take my advice/thoughts for what you will...

Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on December 24, 2008, 02:48:45 PM
I have an IP question. I don't have a science background or degree, and couldn't sit for the patent bar. However, I am a Web programmer with fairly extensive experience (for my age at least). I'd like to do something with Internet law and/or soft IP and/or helping programmers (this is more unlikely at a large firm I'm sure). Am I going to have much of an advantage come OCI?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Refused Party Program on December 25, 2008, 01:14:51 PM
If you want to do IP work, an ability to sit for the patent exam is pretty critical even if you end up doing litigation your whole life and never actually take the exam. I think if the market were better, it would be a little easier to get a job working in IP without the science background, but right now, every advantage helps. I'm not sure what you mean by "Web Programming." If we are talking large scale enterprise ASP/JSP web development, that is great. If you are talking something like scripting, its better than nothing but not as impressive. I have a software background, and at the boutiques, they wanted to know a lot about the kind of work I did and how complicated it was. If you can't sit for the patent exam, you can pretty much cross any boutique off your list (Fish, Finnegan, Ballard Spahar, Thomas Kayden, Knobbe Martens, et al). If you want more specific comments, PM.

However, I do think your work experience is a huge plus. I had many, many firms comment on how they appreciated some real, meaningful work experience. I think there is something about working in an office that you have to learn by actually doing it, and there are firms that value that "something." Also, apply to TI:GER and do your best to get in. That is a great thing for your resume and firms really like the program.

Also, if you want to work in Atlanta, and you interview in other markets, I would keep it quiet. I know many people who wanted to stay in Atlanta (myself included), and did not have an offer. One of them actually grew up around here and went to undergrad in Atlanta. I don't think this changes with being an IP person.

The only IP people I know that have jobs right now are in the top 1/3 or have PhDs. However, I don't really talk much about jobs so that may have improved after September OCI.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: dennycrane on December 25, 2008, 04:23:09 PM
Let me take stab at JeNeSaisLaw's question regarding IP law and the job market. I am a 3L at Emory who will be working at a big law firm in Atlanta upon graduation doing patent prosecution, well at least I have accepted a job offer working at a big law firm doing patent prosecution, with this market who knows what's going to happen.

Note: all my advice applies to the Atlanta big firm job market. I have no knowledge of any other markets aside from what my friends have told me,

I agree with the previous poster that your inability to sit for the patent bar will significantly reduce your chances of landing an IP job. I believe in this market, any firm in Atlanta is going to want someone in their IP practice that can sit for the patent bar. A patent prosecutor can do IP litigation, but an IP litigator cannot do patent prosecution. However (as with most things in law school) if you get good grades, then you most likely can get into an IP practice at a big firm in Atlanta. Moreover, if you can somehow market yourself to firms that your programming background gives you some sort of advantage in the IP field then do so and do it vigorously. It is all about the bottom line for big firms, what is it about you that is going to make them money, find something that makes you better suited then your classmates to make the firm money and hammer that home as often as you can.

Also, I think it is important to note, that there is a difference between people who want to practice IP law and patent prosecutors. You need to be able to sit for the patent bar to be a patent prosecutor, to practice IP law you do not. Not suprisingly, there is a strong demand for patent prosecutors and not for IP law practitioners. I mention this because I do not know anyone in the 3L class who wants to be a patent prosecutor and are qualified to do so that does not have a job (and a good job at that). However I do know people who would love to practice IP law, but do not have a job. It may seem like a trivial distinction, but it is quite significant.

I do agree with the previous poster that it is an advantage that you have work experience. Once again, it is up to you to take this advantage and make sure the firms know it and make it distinguish you from the hundreds of other law students they interview.   

Finally, Atlanta firms are notoriously adverse to non-Atlantians. If you have any connection to the area, make it known.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on December 25, 2008, 05:03:56 PM
Let me take stab at JeNeSaisLaw's question regarding IP law and the job market. I am a 3L at Emory who will be working at a big law firm in Atlanta upon graduation doing patent prosecution, well at least I have accepted a job offer working at a big law firm doing patent prosecution, with this market who knows what's going to happen.

Note: all my advice applies to the Atlanta big firm job market. I have no knowledge of any other markets aside from what my friends have told me,

I agree with the previous poster that your inability to sit for the patent bar will significantly reduce your chances of landing an IP job. I believe in this market, any firm in Atlanta is going to want someone in their IP practice that can sit for the patent bar. A patent prosecutor can do IP litigation, but an IP litigator cannot do patent prosecution. However (as with most things in law school) if you get good grades, then you most likely can get into an IP practice at a big firm in Atlanta. Moreover, if you can somehow market yourself to firms that your programming background gives you some sort of advantage in the IP field then do so and do it vigorously. It is all about the bottom line for big firms, what is it about you that is going to make them money, find something that makes you better suited then your classmates to make the firm money and hammer that home as often as you can.

Also, I think it is important to note, that there is a difference between people who want to practice IP law and patent prosecutors. You need to be able to sit for the patent bar to be a patent prosecutor, to practice IP law you do not. Not suprisingly, there is a strong demand for patent prosecutors and not for IP law practitioners. I mention this because I do not know anyone in the 3L class who wants to be a patent prosecutor and are qualified to do so that does not have a job (and a good job at that). However I do know people who would love to practice IP law, but do not have a job. It may seem like a trivial distinction, but it is quite significant.

I do agree with the previous poster that it is an advantage that you have work experience. Once again, it is up to you to take this advantage and make sure the firms know it and make it distinguish you from the hundreds of other law students they interview.   

Finally, Atlanta firms are notoriously adverse to non-Atlantians. If you have any connection to the area, make it known.

Good luck!

Really?  If that's the case, why are they so fixated on grades/school as opposed to networking and rainmaking potential?  Or do I misunderstand how the system works?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: dennycrane on December 25, 2008, 05:14:46 PM
If you can find a way to determine a law student's networking and rainmaking potential from a resume, then by all means share it with them. Grades/School are their best means of taking 200+ resumes and selecting 20 for interviews. I was suggesting how to get one of the 1-3 callbacks that they'll give out of those 20 interviews. 
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: JohnGalt on December 26, 2008, 06:17:06 PM
Just applied...

 ;D
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on December 26, 2008, 07:13:01 PM
How deep do you think the Falcons will go in the playoffs?  Super Bowl?  Conference Championships?  Abrupt wild card loss?

And will a case of the sophomore slump hit Matt Ryan, or is he 4 real?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on December 26, 2008, 07:40:54 PM
How deep do you think the Falcons will go in the playoffs?  Super Bowl?  Conference Championships?  Abrupt wild card loss?

And will a case of the sophomore slump hit Matt Ryan, or is he 4 real?

They suck. They'll lose in the first round.

Ryan will only get better next year, because he'll have better teammates to work with.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Number81 on December 27, 2008, 11:51:53 AM
The Falcons are probably going to end up playing the Cardinals, right?

They'll win that game.  Then they'll probably get stomped by the Giants.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Imperial Russian Stout! on December 28, 2008, 12:37:38 PM
I'm in @ Emory, any idea if they are offering scholarships with initial acceptance packages this year or at a later date?  Someone posted earlier in this thread that they were going to offer schollies with acceptance packages, but no one on LSN has reported an offer and I didn't receive one in my packet.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Number81 on December 28, 2008, 03:32:31 PM
Last year they offered everyone a scholarship at the same time in March.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on December 30, 2008, 07:14:40 PM
I'm in @ Emory, any idea if they are offering scholarships with initial acceptance packages this year or at a later date?  Someone posted earlier in this thread that they were going to offer schollies with acceptance packages, but no one on LSN has reported an offer and I didn't receive one in my packet.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Mine came later on, via email. They come at some point after the application deadline has passed and all of the admitted students are done being admitted.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Sarahpi on December 30, 2008, 11:26:42 PM
amplified, when I visited they told us that scholarship info would be sent with acceptances this year. Then when I was accepted (notified by phone), I asked if scholarship info would be coming in the mail as well, and was told that would follow in January.

So I'm not counting on getting it in January, since they're already later than they originally said; but I'm planning on by March at least.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Imperial Russian Stout! on December 31, 2008, 10:59:01 AM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Number81 on January 14, 2009, 04:30:09 PM
This was a concern last year.

As it turned out, some students that did not provide any financial aid information, which was said to be required for $$, were nevertheless given scholarships.  That said, there were 0 people (that I recall) that got the "right" numbers, submitted the fin aid stuff, and did not get a scholarship.  Conversely, there were a few people that had the same numbers, did not submit the fin aid stuff, and did not get a scholarship.  In some cases, some of these people were able to appeal in some way.

Anyway, to get less ancy about all this stuff, I would give them a call.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: steven1488 on January 27, 2009, 08:50:44 PM
Do any of you know how well Emory places in Miami?  Sorry if it's already been mentioned, but this thread is going on 13 pages.  ;D 
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: gowi on January 28, 2009, 06:19:27 AM
This is the only employment info I know of, but you could call career services and ask:

http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/career_services/LYT_Revamp/Employment_Statistics_LYT/Employment_Statistics_Class_of_2007.pdf (http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/career_services/LYT_Revamp/Employment_Statistics_LYT/Employment_Statistics_Class_of_2007.pdf)
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Sarahpi on March 18, 2009, 06:37:20 PM
So, the thread's been dead while acceptances seem to be rolling in for Emory applicants. Anyone already committed to Emory? I'd love to get the Class of 2012 thread active now that people are making enrollment decisions.

Is anyone here coming to ASW next month?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on March 25, 2009, 01:29:58 PM
Is anyone here coming to ASW next month?

OOh! I'll be there!
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: psychfrog on March 27, 2009, 11:07:30 AM
A couple of questions for the Emory folk...

Sounds like you all really enjoy your classmates (for the most part).  How diverse is the student body in terms of age?  Are most students under 25?  How much company would I have as a 30 yr old?

Also - how many students at Emory are married?  How many are parents?

---

I've lived in ATL for most of the past 10 years, and more or less expect to stay here.  I'm married, and have two kids under the age of 5... so we're pretty settled in.  My decision essentially comes down to Emory vs. GSU (though to be honest, I haven't heard back from Emory yet, so this could be an easier decision than I think!)

Anyway.  There are a several factors related to having a family that sort of incline me toward GSU.  But I thought I'd interrupt Those Talking Amongst Themselves long enough to get some info on the social scene.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: togbra on March 27, 2009, 04:24:23 PM
I believe the median age is 23, but it feels like there are a lot of people that have had some work experience between college and law. I know a few 30 year olds that I hang out with (I am 26).  There are a few 40ish students as well.  I believe the school reaches out to those with kids/families, but I don't necessarily pay attention to that.  I would say GSU is going to have more folks with families and students going into their second career.  I am not sure what the social scene is at GSU is, but Emory's events are generally either drinking in VaHigh or going to clubs relocated from Buckhead. Emory also does some of its events at the school.  Hope that helps, good luck.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: togbra on March 27, 2009, 04:29:21 PM
Is anyone here coming to ASW next month?

OOh! I'll be there!

are you actually going to be there or are you going to be sitting in your apartment, ignoring people who knock on your door...?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: gowi on March 28, 2009, 10:40:57 AM
A couple of questions for the Emory folk...

Sounds like you all really enjoy your classmates (for the most part).  How diverse is the student body in terms of age?  Are most students under 25?  How much company would I have as a 30 yr old?

Also - how many students at Emory are married?  How many are parents?

---

I've lived in ATL for most of the past 10 years, and more or less expect to stay here.  I'm married, and have two kids under the age of 5... so we're pretty settled in.  My decision essentially comes down to Emory vs. GSU (though to be honest, I haven't heard back from Emory yet, so this could be an easier decision than I think!)

Anyway.  There are a several factors related to having a family that sort of incline me toward GSU.  But I thought I'd interrupt Those Talking Amongst Themselves long enough to get some info on the social scene.  Any thoughts?


You want brutal honesty? They call us "marrieds" and generally are shocked when we do anything but stay home and go to school (your social life ends when you get married, right?) No, there aren't many married people and, yes, there is a stigma attached in the eyes of the under 25 crowd. Also, no less than 5 people have made pretty rude comments to my husband. The very first time we hung out with 1L's, a woman asked him "Did you even go to college." On the other hand, we get along great with 3L's, so maybe it's just a few aholes in the 1L class. In general, we don't socialize with law students anymore.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: psychfrog on March 29, 2009, 10:31:47 AM
You want brutal honesty? They call us "marrieds" and generally are shocked when we do anything but stay home and go to school (your social life ends when you get married, right?) No, there aren't many married people and, yes, there is a stigma attached in the eyes of the under 25 crowd. Also, no less than 5 people have made pretty rude comments to my husband. The very first time we hung out with 1L's, a woman asked him "Did you even go to college." On the other hand, we get along great with 3L's, so maybe it's just a few aholes in the 1L class. In general, we don't socialize with law students anymore.

Brutal honesty is great.  In fact, what you described is pretty much what I'd expect - especially from a student body whose median age is so young.  I've been to graduate/professional school once already, and while there I found one's life stage / family status (i.e. single, married, parents...) was far and away the best predictor of social grouping.  Nothing else even came close - politics, race, religion, socio-economic background, professional goals... whatever.

Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: psychfrog on March 29, 2009, 11:57:05 AM
By the way, what are the chances that the Admissions office might have lost an application? 

I applied in mid January, but have never received official notification that my file was considered complete.  This in spite of having contacted the office once in mid-late February, and once again a couple of weeks ago to inquire as to my status.  In February, I was told that processing an application could take a while, and that I could expect to be notified by email once my file was complete.  Two weeks ago I spoke to a woman on the phone (never was clear on who exactly she was) who looked at my file, said it looked complete to her, and told me I might still get that notification at some point along the way, who knows.  Having heard nothing since then, I called again on Friday (two days ago) and left a message for Arnita asking her to confirm that my app was under consideration.

I've talked to one other applicant who seems to be in the same situation. 

On the one hand, almost all of the most recent updates on LawSchoolNumbers have been rejections, with a sprinkling of waitlisteds thrown in - so in that respect, I'm sort of glad Emory hasn't called in the last two weeks or so.

On the other hand, I find this frustrating because my numbers (167/3.84) and interests/experience (went to seminary, and have an M.Div) seem like ideal fits for Emory's program.  I do think I could have written a better personal statement, but for the most part I'd expect to be an attractive applicant.  As things stand, I haven't had one communication from Emory that I didn't initiate myself.
 
It's hard not to feel like my application's been lost in the shuffle.  Anyone have any alternative explanations for this radio silence?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Refused Party Program on March 31, 2009, 12:15:05 PM
A couple of questions for the Emory folk...

Sounds like you all really enjoy your classmates (for the most part).  How diverse is the student body in terms of age?  Are most students under 25?  How much company would I have as a 30 yr old?

Also - how many students at Emory are married?  How many are parents?

To answer your general question, I tend to think of Emory as a "younger" school, however, being an older student myself (30+), I don't find too much of a problem making friends based solely on my age. I tend to find that I don't have much in common with my fellow students, however, I would have had that same problem 10 years ago. That being said, I don't feel ostracized or out of place. I might feel more at home with my classmates than I would with the population at large, mostly because everyone is smart and at least somewhat interesting.

I will say that I feel sometimes like my age gives me a different perspective on life and school in general. I don't study more than younger students, but I might study more efficiently (in a quiet area, no music, no facebook, etc.) I tend not to get as nervous for interviews. If things don't turn out perfectly, I don't think its the end of the world. There is more to life than law school. Being older will give you a different perspective. However, if you are decent human being to people, they will be decent back. If someone is a jerk because you are older/married/a parent, let them be a jerk and just ignore them.

I think here, as with most law schools, most of the planned social activities revolve around going to bars. Going to bars is generally a single person's activity. If you are married with kids, family tends to take priority over hanging out getting blasted in a smokey room.

GSU is older than here. Part of that is they have a night program which attracts more older/2d career types. Very few people here at Emory are on a 2d career. (they might have work experience, but not career experience, there is a difference).


Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on April 01, 2009, 01:17:30 PM
Is anyone here coming to ASW next month?

OOh! I'll be there!

are you actually going to be there or are you going to be sitting in your apartment, ignoring people who knock on your door...?

Dude

1) I SAID I wasn't going to play poker
2) I was alll the way on the other side of the apartment, in the bathroom.
2b) I was busy.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on April 01, 2009, 01:18:03 PM
I believe the median age is 23

It's 24, actually. Or has been in the past.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: psychfrog on April 02, 2009, 03:53:57 AM
I believe the median age is 23

It's 24, actually. Or has been in the past.

I guess it's going up all the time, eh?   ;)
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: gowi on April 02, 2009, 02:21:06 PM
For Fall 2008 1L's, median age was 23. Not that 1 year really makes difference...

http://www.law.emory.edu/admission/at-a-glance.html
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: psychfrog on April 05, 2009, 03:50:59 PM
Well, my fears have been confirmed.  Emory lost my application. 

It took four separate phone calls, but I finally got someone to look closely enough at my file to notice that several significant pieces of my application had been misplaced.  Fortunately it took just another few minutes of digging around before they turned up again, and were returned to my file.

Very frustrating. 
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on April 05, 2009, 04:51:51 PM
Well, my fears have been confirmed.  Emory lost my application. 

It took four separate phone calls, but I finally got someone to look closely enough at my file to notice that several significant pieces of my application had been misplaced.  Fortunately it took just another few minutes of digging around before they turned up again, and were returned to my file.

Very frustrating. 
:( Sorry to hear that dude. Expect a quick response. Hopefully positive.

It was bound to happen to someone, applications (everywhere, actually) have been way up this year.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: psychfrog on April 06, 2009, 11:22:58 AM
:( Sorry to hear that dude. Expect a quick response. Hopefully positive.

Yeah, thanks.  Actually, I called back this morning to follow up and was told that a decision had been made.  Sounded like the review process was expedited once they realized what happened.  Hope there's still some money left... guess I'll find out soon.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Sarahpi on April 08, 2009, 07:31:13 AM
I've been talking with a couple of friends who are in other grad programs at Emory, and they've mentioned some delay in getting their loan money dispersed at the beginning of the semester. Of course, I don't know the details of their financial situations, so I thought I'd poll the Emory people here.

So...Emory people, has your loan money been dispersed at the start of classes, as is supposed to be the case? If there was any delay, how long? I'm going to be moving down a few weeks early and using savings to get my apartment set up, etc, so I'll be needing that money pretty much on time.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: togbra on April 08, 2009, 07:44:24 AM
this is a function of your provider, not emory (generally).  my loans were delayed because of the lender having problems getting capital at the time.  I switch lenders and got the money soon after [a week after the request, this was in Sept.).  Emory financial aid office told me my lender was going to be delayed originally and recommended i switch.  I didn't at first because i like my old lender (i'm going back - THE for those that are curious - citi is my new lender).  I have found the financial aid office to be very responsive in the process.

The credit crunch at the beginning of fall semester was well publicized (so it wasn't emory's fault), Congress acted last May in response to help get money flowing to students.  hope that helps.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Sarahpi on April 08, 2009, 07:47:49 AM
It does, thanks! I didn't pick my friends' brains in great detail at the time they mentioned the delay, so I was hoping something like this would be the case where it was a one-time issue.

Glad to hear it wasn't Emory's issue, and that they were proactive in getting it resolved for you.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: jamaicanjynx on April 15, 2009, 03:50:50 AM
Hey

I've been searching threads here and on other forums for info about housing at President Park but there doesn't seem to be much info out there. Do you any of you live at President Park or know anyone who does?
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: Captain on April 20, 2009, 02:12:29 AM
Hey

I've been searching threads here and on other forums for info about housing at President Park but there doesn't seem to be much info out there. Do you any of you live at President Park or know anyone who does?

Sorry. I've never even heard of it.
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: rush the rushdie on June 05, 2009, 04:32:54 PM
a question for any current Emory law student...
 
is it possible to request being placed in a certain group?  I'm looking at the Fall 09 1L schedule, and I see there are 6 groups: A, B, C, D, E, F.  So..say i want to be in F, b/c i want to take a certain professor's class, etc.  Would the registrar honor such requests?  thanks
Title: Re: Emory People Generally Talking Amongst Ourselves
Post by: togbra on June 06, 2009, 03:29:22 PM
I would doubt, but I have seen it done if you have good reason (ie married couple didn't want to be in same section).  I don't think there is harm in asking.