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4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?

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Re: 4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2008, 09:24:50 PM »
despite my PM - these people are right.  Even if you hit a 160 you might have a chance at Yale or Harvard I would say.

If I go to a Tier 2-3 I can still transfer right? This sucks:(



Why transfer when you have a shot of T14 with a better LSAT?  Why not wait a year, work, make some money, save, get some life experience for the ole' file, retake the LSAT, and get into the quality of school that will open some real doors for you?

The fact that you aren't doing this makes me almost angry, and it's not even my life that's effected by it!

Well, I don't really want to take a year off, since this isn't really my plan. If I really want to, I'd probably take another Fulbright, but I don't think it's possible since even two is extremely rare.

Seriously??  Not in your plan??  That's the justification???  Isn't getting into a good law school a plan??  Isn't having a successful legal career a plan??  Shouldn't that plan be important enough to delay a year????????

Or you're a flame.

Re: 4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2008, 09:29:11 PM »
despite my PM - these people are right.  Even if you hit a 160 you might have a chance at Yale or Harvard I would say.

If I go to a Tier 2-3 I can still transfer right? This sucks:(



Why transfer when you have a shot of T14 with a better LSAT?  Why not wait a year, work, make some money, save, get some life experience for the ole' file, retake the LSAT, and get into the quality of school that will open some real doors for you?

The fact that you aren't doing this makes me almost angry, and it's not even my life that's effected by it!

Well, I don't really want to take a year off, since this isn't really my plan. If I really want to, I'd probably take another Fulbright, but I don't think it's possible since even two is extremely rare.

Seriously??  Not in your plan??  That's the justification???  Isn't getting into a good law school a plan??  Isn't having a successful legal career a plan??  Shouldn't that plan be important enough to delay a year????????

Or you're a flame.

I am new to this board so I am not sure what you mean by flame?

But I plan to go directly into law school since I already took some time off for my fulbrights. I was thinking transferring could just be as good? I really like UVA, I would seriously consider it even if I do get into HYS.

Also, there's the issue with how I want to stay with my age group/class and not feel excluded when I enter Law school

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Re: 4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2008, 09:33:42 PM »
I agree with the general sentiment that the OP should retake and apply again next year (if he isn't satisfied with the schools he is admitted to), but retake and reapply = Yale (or even T14) might just be a bit too optimistic.

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Re: 4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2008, 09:36:02 PM »
I am new to this board so I am not sure what you mean by flame?

But I plan to go directly into law school since I already took some time off for my fulbrights. I was thinking transferring could just be as good? I really like UVA, I would seriously consider it even if I do get into HYS.

Also, there's the issue with how I want to stay with my age group/class and not feel excluded when I enter Law school

Ok.  UAa is an amazing school, but you have almost ZERO shot with your current numbers.  10 points higher on the LSAT would be different (read: slight to okay shot), but with a low 150's LSAT, no possibility.

Transferring, while good, minimizes your ability to connect with faculty.  It is this type of connection which is useful for clerkships, etc.  Also harder to do journals, moot court, etc.

And as for age, the average age of entering law school students is rising.  Northwestern, for one, doesn't like to admit anyone straight out of undergrad.  I am 24 and will, so I have seen at admitted students' events, be one of the youngest members of my class.

Retake the LSAT. 

Re: 4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2008, 09:41:15 PM »
So you guys would suggest NOT attending a T2 school at all because of the job search difficulty? I thought most law schools have a fair where all the employers come.

Re: 4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2008, 09:44:43 PM »
So you guys would suggest NOT attending a T2 school at all because of the job search difficulty? I thought most law schools have a fair where all the employers come.

well yeah, but at T2 schools they will take people from the top 20% of the class or so depending on the employer. the rest of the 80% has to do it all by themselves and can often get screwed with low paying jobs and high debt. i know you're smart, etc., etc., but the odds are against you being in the top 20%.

also, when did you submit your applications?

Re: 4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2008, 09:46:35 PM »
So you guys would suggest NOT attending a T2 school at all because of the job search difficulty? I thought most law schools have a fair where all the employers come.

well yeah, but at T2 schools they will take people from the top 20% of the class or so depending on the employer. the rest of the 80% has to do it all by themselves and can often get screwed with low paying jobs and high debt. i know you're smart, etc., etc., but the odds are against you being in the top 20%.

also, when did you submit your applications?


I submit the UVA application in mid Jan, just got the complete email earlier today. Applied to a lot of schools and haven't heard from any yet.

Re: 4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2008, 09:46:59 PM »
Obviously you are an intelligent person and have a lot going for you, but it appears you are coming at this law school thing without enough research to really understand what is going on.  People who are more familiar with the process are calling this a "flame" because they think it is a joke that someone with your background is arguing the points that you are just because they want to start law school in six months. 

As far as retaking equaling admission to Yale, that was not what I stated.  My point was that the OP has the potential to get into Yale with a good LSAT and the background already displayed here. 

Re: 4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2008, 09:50:09 PM »
So you guys would suggest NOT attending a T2 school at all because of the job search difficulty? I thought most law schools have a fair where all the employers come.

Check the median salaries for most tier two schools.  OCI (on campus interviews) are usually reserved for the top 20% of the class at tier two schools.  Even then, you have to interview well.

Re: 4.21/151/Fulbright Scholar x 2 Chances at UVA?
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2008, 09:51:04 PM »
So you guys would suggest NOT attending a T2 school at all because of the job search difficulty? I thought most law schools have a fair where all the employers come.

well yeah, but at T2 schools they will take people from the top 20% of the class or so depending on the employer. the rest of the 80% has to do it all by themselves and can often get screwed with low paying jobs and high debt. i know you're smart, etc., etc., but the odds are against you being in the top 20%.

also, when did you submit your applications?


I submit the UVA application in mid Jan, just got the complete email earlier today. Applied to a lot of schools and haven't heard from any yet.

At this point in the cycle your chances are not good, especially with such a low LSAT. I would do some serious thinking about taking a year off. Find a job you would enjoy in whatever field you are in and get some experience. Take an LSAT prepcourse and get a 165+. If you do that I would almost guarantee you could get into a top 10 school.