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Starting with a 138

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Re: Starting with a 138
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2005, 09:27:23 AM »
there was a guy who used to post on this board long ago - "dsong" was his name. He had the most outrageous score improvement i've ever seen. It was well over 20 points i think. He scored in the 170's. Do a search. He posted quite elaborately on *exactly* what he did to achieve his improvement.

I remember that guy.  Wasn’t his score so high compared to his GPA that LSAC did an investigation? That was one of the first posts I remember reading on LSD.

Ok, done hijackig.

Oh yeah. That's right. His score was crazy high, upper 170's - he got automatically investigated. And his first practice test was in the low 150's. Insane improvement. But i think he had a regimented plan he followed over a couple months.

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« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2005, 09:29:26 AM »
 Time away from prep is also usually important, and he won't have as much time to absorb and digest everything in the time available.

I think this is very important also when using the PS books.

There's a lot of info, and I think many people hit plateaus and don't break them because they've stopped asimiliating this info and start to just go on autopilot through the test.

I did this, and never really realized it, until 2 weeks or so before.  By then I'd sort of burned myself out.  So I wished I'd studied a little bit longer and studied differently with the bibles  (although the LRB wasn't available at the time)

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Re: Starting with a 138
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2005, 09:32:05 AM »
Time away can be important, but how much time.  I started in Feb. so I have had the luxury of taking time off, but I have never thought that I needed significant time off.  I think the real question is how long it will take for this guy to learn the basic priniciples (diagraming the games, LR question types).  Just how long it takes to realize what the questions mean.  After you realize this, I think all that is needed is practice and review.  If it takes him two weeks to just figure out the basics of diagraming, it will be tough.

Re: Starting with a 138
« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2005, 09:35:29 AM »
Although I agree anyone capable of scoring a 174 on the LSAT has a high natural aptitude for the test, I don't necessarily think that most people need 2-3 months to max out their scores. I reached a plateau fairly quickly as did a few others I know and from reading posts on here it does seem that although some people continue to make steady improvement for long periods of time, many others reach their max pretty quick. Its really impossible to say what percentage max out fast because we don't have a large enough sample and there are so many variables (studying methods, etc) but I know at least for myself that I don't think 2-3 more months of studying would have gotten more than possibly a point or two higher on the LSAT. That being said, I do agree I wish I had studied a little more because 1-2 points would probably have made the difference in some of the decisions I got that I wish were acceptances.


How long did you prep?  

It's true that different people may take different amounts of time to reach their max.  However, given that this is true, it would presumably make sense to give yourself as much lead time as possible, in case it takes you longer to do so.  (In my experience, and most of the people I know, it did take awhile to really max out.)  

Some people plateau for awhile, then make further increases down the road, especially if they take a break.  But as you noted, even small increases can be helpful, especially at the upper ends of the scale.  

Bottom line, if you start out 3 months beforehand, and get where you want to be in 1 month, you can always chill for awhile, and start up again a few weeks before the test.  However, if you start one month before, and are nowhere close to where you want to be, you're pretty much screwed unless you can postpone for a later test date, or can wait a year.  

Re: Starting with a 138
« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2005, 09:39:41 AM »
Time away can be important, but how much time.  I started in Feb. so I have had the luxury of taking time off, but I have never thought that I needed significant time off.  I think the real question is how long it will take for this guy to learn the basic priniciples (diagraming the games, LR question types).  Just how long it takes to realize what the questions mean.  After you realize this, I think all that is needed is practice and review.  If it takes him two weeks to just figure out the basics of diagraming, it will be tough.

The length and frequency of breaks is up to the individual, but what's important is that he is in fact able to take the time he needs, when he needs it.  Otherwise, he's liable to get burnt out, and not learn as much or as effectively, as noted by Jayc.

You're right that learning the concepts is an important part, and for most people, even after doing so, they'll want to work through as many practice exams as feasible to really polish those skills.  These can also be time-consuming, of course, and generally require some break time in-between.

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Re: Starting with a 138
« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2005, 09:45:27 AM »
my point was that people can certainly reach their max within a month of studying. i didn't use LRB/LGB - i used just the tests, then the PS book that they give out at the weekend course, which is basically a combination of the LRB & lgb. that weekend was enough for me to get the info that i needed from those books becaues i knew what to look for.

i think a lot of people make the mistake of studying TOO long for the lsat - but, again, everyone is different. i certainly think that this guy can reach his max in 5 weeks if he really stays organized and dedicated to learning the test.

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Re: Starting with a 138
« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2005, 10:09:22 AM »
I got my third highest score (out of 17) so far on the fourth practice test I had taken in three days.  I think time off is nice, but perhaps not necessary.  But it could differ by the person of course.

Re: Starting with a 138
« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2005, 10:20:34 AM »
i took the one right before the test. actually the timing was perfect for me becuase i knew what i needed to pay attention to and what i could ignore based on how i was doing on my own. depending on how he's doing, it might still be worth it.  The weekend course seemed to help me break from the low 170s to the higher 170s.

really?  where are you headed?  what have you been offered?  you're the very first person i've ever met that went from the 150s to the 170s.  that's nearly impossible.  did you know that?  that, that's nearly impossible that is...

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Re: Starting with a 138
« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2005, 10:26:02 AM »
as i mentioned above, i'm applying for '06. when i took the diagnostic, it was honestly the first time i had seen the test. i had maybe seen a couple LR questions earlier that day, had never seen games (although i used to do them for fun when i was little) and took it on the computer. but it was timed, i used scratch paper, etc. my second score was a 168, then i dropped to around 165 for a couple, then bounced up to the low 170s for a couple, and was routinely scoring high 170s before the test including one 180.

and i resent the implication that i'm not being truthful. as was mentioned earlier, i'm not the only one to make a huge jump.

i'm looking at schools in the DC area. However, i have a low GPA that will prevent me from getting into any place really exciting.

Re: Starting with a 138
« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2005, 12:05:24 PM »
are people so caught up in this thread that no one has mentioned lisbeth's avatar? 

holy moly!