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Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?

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Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2008, 09:41:37 PM »
Ok I think ppl agree more with using it with possessive.

Correct. Ignore this whole "burying the lead" tripe. It's not a concern when this desired lead immediately follows that which possesses it -- it's not like it's going to get lost in a paragraph somewhere.

Your readers are (somewhat) intelligent adcomms to whom the phrase arrives in its entirety intuitively, rather than ESL or slower English readers who might be tripped up by this construction.

no...you are wrong...it depends on the sentence before it and after it...context as well. you don't want to have repetitive sentences...i was crown college's glee club founder. i was crown college's newspaper editor. i was crown college's champion wrestler. :)

best to just answer the question and sometimes keep the lead at the beginning of the sentence.

So do you have a recommendation for a more coherent example to my grammar question?

sure...write the sentence before the sentence in question. and if you have it already written...write the sentence after it as well..


"I founded the Key Club chapter at St. Mary's."


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Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2008, 09:42:52 PM »
Dear bluewarrior:

I am being ironic.

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Kantian:

He doesn't have an example. There is no reason why it's more important that "Key Club" precede "Western High School".

Here, try this for yourself. Say it aloud:

1. I founded the Key Club at my high school.
2. I founded my high school's Key Club.

Now YOU pick which one works better for you. I honestly don't care -- I'm not that vested in it. Eight years of paid editing experience, however, tells me that the second option is grammatically tighter than the first. Neither is confusing or misleading in any sense.

Ironically, bluewarrior's right. Context DOES count. If you were writing a letter to a friend, I'd tell you it's kind of silly to use the second option. However, since you're probably drawing up a resume or a cover letter, the more formal (and tighter) second option is what I would recommend.

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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2008, 09:51:11 PM »
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 

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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2008, 09:51:19 PM »
Dear bluewarrior:

I am being ironic.

Love,
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Kantian:

He doesn't have an example. There is no reason why it's more important that "Key Club" precede "Western High School".

Here, try this for yourself. Say it aloud:

1. I founded the Key Club at my high school.
2. I founded my high school's Key Club.

Now YOU pick which one works better for you. I honestly don't care -- I'm not that vested in it. Eight years of paid editing experience, however, tells me that the second option is grammatically tighter than the first. Neither is confusing or misleading in any sense.

Ironically, bluewarrior's right. Context DOES count. If you were writing a letter to a friend, I'd tell you it's kind of silly to use the second option. However, since you're probably drawing up a resume or a cover letter, the more formal (and tighter) second option is what I would recommend.


not ironic...you probably learned something new today...or reinforced something in yourself...

just answer the question...next time.

hope aye helped ;)




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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2008, 09:59:47 PM »
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 

Bingo.

Also, LULZ @ bluewarrior. The idiocy never ends. Three years and running.

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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2008, 10:01:07 PM »
...sorry kantian, aye was truly trying to help without adding anything to your choices...which were fine...

the other dolts think aye am annoying...but morons find tying there shoes annoying...


...you had the right idea from the get go...

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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2008, 10:02:31 PM »
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 

Bingo.

Also, LULZ @ bluewarrior. The idiocy never ends. Three years and running.

aye think you have poop in your pants...change the diapers...peee ewwww.


just admit you didn't see it and move on, biatch. :D :D :D :D


and aye mean that in the most joking manner...

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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2008, 10:03:10 PM »
the other dolts think aye am annoying...but morons find tying there shoes annoying...

Is this really a poster from whom you are prepared to take grammar advice, Kantian?

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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2008, 10:06:07 PM »
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 


you're probably not very good with writers like joyce, m. shelley, or shakespeare...you probably prefer humming away and conrad...right?

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« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2008, 10:07:28 PM »
the other dolts think aye am annoying...but morons find tying there shoes annoying...

Is this really a poster from whom you are prepared to take grammar advice, Kantian?


katian, is this really the person you want to hear an answer from justified over and over again to sound intelligent...when all you really had to do is trust yourself?


variety and prepositions are your friends...embrace them...but stay away from "be" verbs...