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Title: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Kantian on November 23, 2008, 08:59:34 PM
id appreciate it.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: This is wrong. on November 23, 2008, 09:03:11 PM
Both are awkward, but the latter is more correct. "Club" needs to be capitalized, though.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:04:51 PM
either or either...but the first is more active and it is Key Club...
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Miss P on November 23, 2008, 09:09:08 PM
Both are awkward, but the latter is more correct. "Club" needs to be capitalized, though.

Yes.  I would say "Western High School's Key Club chapter."
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:11:55 PM
Both are awkward, but the latter is more correct. "Club" needs to be capitalized, though.

Yes.  I would say "Western High School's Key Club chapter."

that wasn't the question...please follow directions. :)
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: This is wrong. on November 23, 2008, 09:12:10 PM
Both are awkward, but the latter is more correct. "Club" needs to be capitalized, though.

Yes.  I would say "Western High School's Key Club chapter."

I concur. That's how I phrased a line in my law school application resume.

<-- procrastinating, looking through old files
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: goaliechica on November 23, 2008, 09:13:47 PM
Both are awkward, but the latter is more correct. "Club" needs to be capitalized, though.

Yes.  I would say "Western High School's Key Club chapter."

that wasn't the question...please follow directions. :)

Shut up.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:14:57 PM
Both are awkward, but the latter is more correct. "Club" needs to be capitalized, though.

Yes.  I would say "Western High School's Key Club chapter."

that wasn't the question...please follow directions. :)

Shut up.


 :D :D :D...hey...it wasn't the question...

besides putting the words key club chapter after western high school...buries the lead and diminishes the primary point...

learn you will!
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Kantian on November 23, 2008, 09:18:31 PM
Ok I think ppl agree more with using it with possessive.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:19:55 PM
here...let me teach you novices a little about grammar and writing...


see how many levels this bit of vowels and consonants and consonance works upon...



"warm words sprite action onward;
stones, stand still."
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Miss P on November 23, 2008, 09:20:23 PM
Both are awkward, but the latter is more correct. "Club" needs to be capitalized, though.

Yes.  I would say "Western High School's Key Club chapter."

that wasn't the question...please follow directions. :)

Some indigo you are, following the rules at the expense of a helpful, outside-the-box solution to someone's problem.   ::)
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:21:34 PM
Both are awkward, but the latter is more correct. "Club" needs to be capitalized, though.

Yes.  I would say "Western High School's Key Club chapter."

that wasn't the question...please follow directions. :)

Some indigo you are, following the rules at the expense of a helpful, outside-the-box solution to someone's problem.   ::)

not helpful...sorry.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Miss P on November 23, 2008, 09:22:55 PM
not helpful...sorry.

The person seeking the advice seemed to disagree.  Please leave me alone.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:25:39 PM
Ok I think ppl agree more with using it with possessive.

depends on the sentence before it and the sentence after it...variety in context. and do you want to focus on the high school or what you did at the high school???
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:26:17 PM
not helpful...sorry.

The person seeking the advice seemed to disagree.  Please leave me alone.

please leave me alone.  >:(
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: This is wrong. on November 23, 2008, 09:26:34 PM
Ok I think ppl agree more with using it with possessive.

Correct. Ignore this whole "burying the lead" tripe. It's not a concern when this desired lead immediately follows that which possesses it -- it's not like it's going to get lost in a paragraph somewhere.

Your readers are (somewhat) intelligent adcomms to whom the phrase arrives in its entirety intuitively, rather than ESL or slower English readers who might be tripped up by this construction.


ETA: Besides, it's quite clear to all readers (except, perhaps, bluewarrior) that you didn't found Western High School itself, but rather one of its major clubs. He's being obtuse, as usual.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Kantian on November 23, 2008, 09:26:54 PM
Ok I think ppl agree more with using it with possessive.

depends on the sentence before it and the sentence after it...variety in context. and do you want to focus on the high school or what you did at the high school???

what i did at high school
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:28:04 PM
Ok I think ppl agree more with using it with possessive.

Correct. Ignore this whole "burying the lead" tripe. It's not a concern when this desired lead immediately follows that which possesses it -- it's not like it's going to get lost in a paragraph somewhere.

Your readers are (somewhat) intelligent adcomms to whom the phrase arrives in its entirety intuitively, rather than ESL or slower English readers who might be tripped up by this construction.

no...you are wrong...it depends on the sentence before it and after it...context as well. you don't want to have repetitive sentences...i was crown college's glee club founder. i was crown college's newspaper editor. i was crown college's champion wrestler. :)

best to just answer the question and sometimes keep the lead at the beginning of the sentence.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:36:15 PM
Ok I think ppl agree more with using it with possessive.

Correct. Ignore this whole "burying the lead" tripe. It's not a concern when this desired lead immediately follows that which possesses it -- it's not like it's going to get lost in a paragraph somewhere.

Your readers are (somewhat) intelligent adcomms to whom the phrase arrives in its entirety intuitively, rather than ESL or slower English readers who might be tripped up by this construction.


ETA: Besides, it's quite clear to all readers (except, perhaps, bluewarrior) that you didn't found Western High School itself, but rather one of its major clubs. He's being obtuse, as usual.

if aye am obtuse...you are dense.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Kantian on November 23, 2008, 09:36:31 PM
Ok I think ppl agree more with using it with possessive.

Correct. Ignore this whole "burying the lead" tripe. It's not a concern when this desired lead immediately follows that which possesses it -- it's not like it's going to get lost in a paragraph somewhere.

Your readers are (somewhat) intelligent adcomms to whom the phrase arrives in its entirety intuitively, rather than ESL or slower English readers who might be tripped up by this construction.

no...you are wrong...it depends on the sentence before it and after it...context as well. you don't want to have repetitive sentences...i was crown college's glee club founder. i was crown college's newspaper editor. i was crown college's champion wrestler. :)

best to just answer the question and sometimes keep the lead at the beginning of the sentence.

So do you have a recommendation for a more coherent example to my grammar question?
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:41:37 PM
Ok I think ppl agree more with using it with possessive.

Correct. Ignore this whole "burying the lead" tripe. It's not a concern when this desired lead immediately follows that which possesses it -- it's not like it's going to get lost in a paragraph somewhere.

Your readers are (somewhat) intelligent adcomms to whom the phrase arrives in its entirety intuitively, rather than ESL or slower English readers who might be tripped up by this construction.

no...you are wrong...it depends on the sentence before it and after it...context as well. you don't want to have repetitive sentences...i was crown college's glee club founder. i was crown college's newspaper editor. i was crown college's champion wrestler. :)

best to just answer the question and sometimes keep the lead at the beginning of the sentence.

So do you have a recommendation for a more coherent example to my grammar question?

sure...write the sentence before the sentence in question. and if you have it already written...write the sentence after it as well..


"I founded the Key Club chapter at St. Mary's."


...your instincts were correct initially.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: This is wrong. on November 23, 2008, 09:42:52 PM
Dear bluewarrior:

I am being ironic.

Love,
@#!* you.



Kantian:

He doesn't have an example. There is no reason why it's more important that "Key Club" precede "Western High School".

Here, try this for yourself. Say it aloud:

1. I founded the Key Club at my high school.
2. I founded my high school's Key Club.

Now YOU pick which one works better for you. I honestly don't care -- I'm not that vested in it. Eight years of paid editing experience, however, tells me that the second option is grammatically tighter than the first. Neither is confusing or misleading in any sense.

Ironically, bluewarrior's right. Context DOES count. If you were writing a letter to a friend, I'd tell you it's kind of silly to use the second option. However, since you're probably drawing up a resume or a cover letter, the more formal (and tighter) second option is what I would recommend.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Miss P on November 23, 2008, 09:51:11 PM
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 09:51:19 PM
Dear bluewarrior:

I am being ironic.

Love,
@#!* you.



Kantian:

He doesn't have an example. There is no reason why it's more important that "Key Club" precede "Western High School".

Here, try this for yourself. Say it aloud:

1. I founded the Key Club at my high school.
2. I founded my high school's Key Club.

Now YOU pick which one works better for you. I honestly don't care -- I'm not that vested in it. Eight years of paid editing experience, however, tells me that the second option is grammatically tighter than the first. Neither is confusing or misleading in any sense.

Ironically, bluewarrior's right. Context DOES count. If you were writing a letter to a friend, I'd tell you it's kind of silly to use the second option. However, since you're probably drawing up a resume or a cover letter, the more formal (and tighter) second option is what I would recommend.


not ironic...you probably learned something new today...or reinforced something in yourself...

just answer the question...next time.

hope aye helped ;)




>>>>>>>>>advice to the peanut gallery...terseness is good but the use of PREPOSITIONS--priceless!!!!!!<<<<<<<<
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: This is wrong. on November 23, 2008, 09:59:47 PM
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 

Bingo.

Also, LULZ @ bluewarrior. The idiocy never ends. Three years and running.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 10:01:07 PM
...sorry kantian, aye was truly trying to help without adding anything to your choices...which were fine...

the other dolts think aye am annoying...but morons find tying there shoes annoying...


...you had the right idea from the get go...

...trust your instincts...

Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 10:02:31 PM
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 

Bingo.

Also, LULZ @ bluewarrior. The idiocy never ends. Three years and running.

aye think you have poop in your pants...change the diapers...peee ewwww.


just admit you didn't see it and move on, biatch. :D :D :D :D


and aye mean that in the most joking manner...
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Miss P on November 23, 2008, 10:03:10 PM
the other dolts think aye am annoying...but morons find tying there shoes annoying...

Is this really a poster from whom you are prepared to take grammar advice, Kantian?
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 10:06:07 PM
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 


you're probably not very good with writers like joyce, m. shelley, or shakespeare...you probably prefer humming away and conrad...right?
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 10:07:28 PM
the other dolts think aye am annoying...but morons find tying there shoes annoying...

Is this really a poster from whom you are prepared to take grammar advice, Kantian?


katian, is this really the person you want to hear an answer from justified over and over again to sound intelligent...when all you really had to do is trust yourself?


variety and prepositions are your friends...embrace them...but stay away from "be" verbs...
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Miss P on November 23, 2008, 10:08:22 PM
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 


you're probably not very good with writers like joyce, m. shelley, or shakespeare...you probably prefer hemmingway and conrad...right?

No.  I'm into modernists and postmodernists.  But I wouldn't suggest that someone writing a law school admissions essay try to emulate Woolf or Stein.  Or you.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Miss P on November 23, 2008, 10:09:23 PM
the other dolts think aye am annoying...but morons find tying there shoes annoying...

Is this really a poster from whom you are prepared to take grammar advice, Kantian?


is this really the person you want to hear an answer justified over and over again to sound intelligent...when all you really had to do is trust yourself?

Leave me alone.  The kid asked a question.  I gave my answer; you gave yours.  He can decide for himself.  There's no need for you to continually belittle me.  I think it constitutes harassment.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: This is wrong. on November 23, 2008, 10:10:29 PM
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 


you're probably not very good with writers like joyce, m. shelley, or shakespeare...you probably prefer hemmingway and conrad...right?

No.  I'm into modernists and postmodernists.  But I wouldn't suggest that someone writing a law school admissions essay try to emulate Woolf or Stein.  Or you.

 :D

Talk about your strange juxtapositions.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 10:14:01 PM
Kantian, I would add that in general it's best to keep modifiers as close to the things they modify as possible.  Using prepositions (like "at" and "of") distances modifiers from their nouns. People stumble over prepositions when they read, especially when the prepositions don't have some kind of organic spatial meaning. 

Of course you should seek variation in structure from sentence to sentence.  No one is suggesting that you write a list of activities in the form "I founded X School's Y Club."  I also wouldn't suggest that you write a list of activities in the form "I did X.  I did Y.  I did Z," but I thought that this kind of went without saying. 


you're probably not very good with writers like joyce, m. shelley, or shakespeare...you probably prefer hemmingway and conrad...right?

No.  I'm into modernists and postmodernists.  But I wouldn't suggest that someone writing a law school admissions essay try to emulate Woolf or Stein.  Or you.

please...woolf? stein? those two are so pedestrian...not if you want to move ahead...the best writers are shakespeare and joyce...no question.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Miss P on November 23, 2008, 10:15:01 PM
Misogynist pig.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 10:17:13 PM
the other dolts think aye am annoying...but morons find tying there shoes annoying...

Is this really a poster from whom you are prepared to take grammar advice, Kantian?


is this really the person you want to hear an answer justified over and over again to sound intelligent...when all you really had to do is trust yourself?

Leave me alone.  The kid asked a question.  I gave my answer; you gave yours.  He can decide for himself.  There's no need for you to continually belittle me.  I think it constitutes harassment.

and what do you see in the mirror?  ::)aye think you are attempting harrassment...with two "r's" and if you don't stop...aye will report you to a moderator...so there. :P


your behaviour is somewhat childish.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 10:18:45 PM
Misogynist pig.


delusion exhibit ::)
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: goaliechica on November 23, 2008, 10:19:06 PM
the other dolts think aye am annoying...but morons find tying there shoes annoying...

Is this really a poster from whom you are prepared to take grammar advice, Kantian?


is this really the person you want to hear an answer justified over and over again to sound intelligent...when all you really had to do is trust yourself?

Leave me alone.  The kid asked a question.  I gave my answer; you gave yours.  He can decide for himself.  There's no need for you to continually belittle me.  I think it constitutes harassment.

and what do you see in the mirror?  ::)aye think you are attempting harrassment...with two "r's" and if you don't stop...aye will report you to a moderator...so there. :P


child.


Are you f-ing kidding me with this?
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 10:19:59 PM
the other dolts think aye am annoying...but morons find tying there shoes annoying...

Is this really a poster from whom you are prepared to take grammar advice, Kantian?


is this really the person you want to hear an answer justified over and over again to sound intelligent...when all you really had to do is trust yourself?

Leave me alone.  The kid asked a question.  I gave my answer; you gave yours.  He can decide for himself.  There's no need for you to continually belittle me.  I think it constitutes harassment.

and what do you see in the mirror?  ::)aye think you are attempting harrassment...with two "r's" and if you don't stop...aye will report you to a moderator...so there. :P


child.


Are you f-ing kidding me with this?


watch your language...and this conversation is over!
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 10:20:32 PM
good luck, katian...

aye am out of here before the childish banter deteriorates even more.


px.o.rsta 8)
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: This is wrong. on November 23, 2008, 10:38:18 PM
I am quite literally laughing out loud at this development. He set a fifth grade trap! OMFG AMZING!!! Now we look bad and he looks good and he can tell teacher!!!


It has to be a little embarrassing to chide someone for misspelling "harass" when you're the one getting it wrong. I think that was checkmate right there. Hence bluewarrior exiting, stage left.

aye do believe bill shakaspeare would have written that as well . . .  ;)
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 23, 2008, 10:57:18 PM
I am quite literally laughing out loud at this development. He set a fifth grade trap! OMFG AMZING!!! Now we look bad and he looks good and he can tell teacher!!!


It has to be a little embarrassing to chide someone for misspelling "harass" when you're the one getting it wrong. I think that was checkmate right there. Hence bluewarrior exiting, stage left.

aye do believe bill shakaspeare would have written that as well . . .  ;)


now you are har/rassing...take a look in the mir/ror! or aye will report you, too...aye do believe you don't get why aye right what aye write... ::)


aye exit stage right, simpleton.
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: This is wrong. on November 23, 2008, 10:58:36 PM
 :D :D :D

Go ahead and report me! Fire away!
Title: Re: Need grammar advice. Which of the two is correct, if they are correct?
Post by: Julie Fern on November 24, 2008, 04:17:07 AM
see:  it just easier call blueidiot goatfucker.

plus, it true.