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48 hours of actual studying is way more than enough.  I put in about 20-25 hours by memorizing the rules from the barbri book, taking the 3 practice tests in the back of the book and doing the practice test online. I didn't even take the actual class, just bought the book on ebay.  I got a 150.  The MPRE isn't bad at all so you won't need to kill yourself to get ready for it. 
Thanks for the input fellas.

I've heard 48 hours is about right- most people seem to have used the Barbri books.  Any other options?

Bar Exam Preparation / Re: Illinois Character and Fitness
« on: January 03, 2008, 07:02:08 PM »
It would be absurd, and yet I would not be shocked for someone with multiple DUIs to be allowed to sit and someone with two minor traffic violations (left turn where there was a no left turn sign and failure to display city sticker) to be denied- that's the way the game works.  It's going to be fun tracking down the "order of disposition" the bar requires- all I did was pay the ticket and it went away.

Bar Exam Preparation / Re: Illinois Character and Fitness
« on: January 02, 2008, 03:02:17 PM »
I wouldnt worry about tickets for minor offenses, i doubt tickets for pretty much anything (except possibly DUI) will prevent you from passing.  I know I have a few tickets and so do all of my friends, so dont stress it.  Call your career development office if you are really worried though.
Yeah I'm not super worried about it.  I only have one ticket that is unpaid, it was in 2000 and it was absolutely wrong- the meter maid came on to private property and ticketed about 20 cars.  I was told over the phone that the ticket was improper but that they would not release me, so I refused to pay.  They took it to collections, 8 years later I still haven't paid.  I pulled my credit report and there is nothing bad on it so I guess it was removed.  I still will report it to the bar people.  It was just the principle- no way I'm eating it for something that was clearly improper.  Hope it doesn't come back to bite me!

Bar Exam Preparation / Illinois Character and Fitness
« on: January 02, 2008, 12:22:50 PM »
Hopefully people haven't procrastinated as much as I have on this.  Does anybody know what standards are used to deny people based on traffic violations?  I got a ticket a few years back for making a left turn on a no left turn sign (sign was in a strange area, as the officer admitted, and I didn't see it- promptly paid ticket) and was also stopped earlier this year for no city sticker and no front license plate.  I actually was unaware I needed either of those- again, complied and the tickets were thrown out when I went to traffic court and showed I complied.  I've heard stories of people getting admitted with dozens of outstanding tickets, so I shouldn't be worried- right?

Job Search / When do Chicago barbri classes usually start? Anyone know?
« on: December 26, 2007, 10:01:58 AM »
I think it's the week before Memorial Day but have not been able to confirm this.

Current Law Students / Re: Worst 3L GPA dropoff you've ever heard of?
« on: December 15, 2007, 10:08:55 PM »
Only classes with 40 or more need be curved- thus it is possible to have all uncurved classes your final 2 years  and just face the curve in 1L.  Sadly, I have only had 2 uncurved classes total.  The seminar classes are capped at 25 and are basically a guaranteed A for no work- but you don't learn anything at all.    :D

Current Law Students / Re: Worst 3L GPA dropoff you've ever heard of?
« on: December 15, 2007, 06:06:47 PM »
I fell into the trap of allowing the summer people at the firm to encourage me to take "useful" classes even if it hurt my GPA.  There are some crazy soft, easy A's out there. One prof taught 2 classes last semseter and gave 100% A's!  This semester he decided instead of having an exam, people got to go in and talk to him for a few minutes about a topic "at least somewhat" related to the course and he's giving them all A's as well. 

Current Law Students / Worst 3L GPA dropoff you've ever heard of?
« on: December 15, 2007, 01:11:24 PM »
I think I might go under 3.0 this semester after being around 3.8 the first two years.  My downfall- all difficult, curved classes and no motivation at the end of the semester.  This would be a truly spectacular fall and hopefully I win the prize for the biggest tank.

If you want to live a life that isn't obsessed with law than the best way to learn with least amount of work as possible is to have two fairly good outlines side by side and go through them with a supplement next by you. As you go through the outlines look at the main headings and prepare yourself mentally for easy issue spotting. That is, for any issue there is a set of facts that should trigger your mind. I always do this, re-writing outlines is a clearly a waste to me. Especially if you have a closed book exam. I like closed book exams because many law students actually are not good at arguing or analyzing they are just good at regurgitating outlines. I prefer in depth argumentation on exams and it has served me well. No I am not top 10% but i don't work very hard and have managed to keep my sanity by living my life and preparing for exams the same way that I plan to practice law. Law is not my obsession, living life in way that allows for sanity is my aim. So yes, if you want to be top 10% don't listen to me, but if you're a normal person (unlikely if you're in law school really) than study in a way where you feel sane and competent with the material.

Live and let live.

I  have had the same approach- sadly, once you work for a firm, you no longer have control and must (most of the time) sacrifice your life.

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